EP. 105 with Paula S. | Owner, Princess Paula Consulting

Be The Ferrari And Build A Life That Fits

Some conversations start as fun and end up telling the truth you didn’t know you needed. Kelly sits down with Paula, a professional speaker, AI trainer, MC, podcaster, and the woman behind “Be The Ferrari,” a keynote built around identity, confidence, and the freedom of realizing you are not for everyone. Along the way, you’ll also hear how a simple yes turned into an unexpectedly joyful side life as Mrs Claus, booked out a year in advance, because real entrepreneurship is often stranger and better than the plan.

We go deeper into what happens when motherhood comes first and life forces a pivot: divorce, blended family dynamics, adoption, and the long tentacles conflict can leave behind. Paula shares what she’s navigating now, including estrangement, and how she keeps moving forward with prayer, counseling, and community. 

Content note: the conversation includes suicidal ideation and the impact suicide has on the people left behind, plus the practical tools that help when isolation and shame get loud.

On the business side, we talk organic networking, building a trusted referral network, spotting marketing “shoulds,” and pricing yourself like you mean it, especially for women entrepreneurs who have been trained to ask for less. If you’re a mompreneur craving alignment, a faith driven business owner searching for purpose, or a speaker ready to claim your value, this one brings both heart and strategy.

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Transcript

Welcome And Playful Banter

Kelly 0:10

Welcome everybody to Reclaiming Your Hue, where we are dedicated to empowering women to embrace and amplify their inherent brilliance. Our mission is to inspire mothers and entrepreneurs to unlock their full potential and radiate their true selves. I'm your host, Kelly Kirk, and each week my goal is to bring to you glorious guests as well as solo episodes. So let's dive in. Good morning, Paula. Or should I say Paula? I feel like I should sing an intro. Princess Paula. Go ahead. I was like, we need a little intro song. Well, we'll have an intro song. I always have a I have like a cute little birdie. My brother created the intro and outro for me. Yeah. Love it. He's the you you talk about you being a musician. My brother is like, he's he's the total creative in our view. I'm more of the social butterfly. Is it just the two of you? It's just the two of us. Just the two. Just the two of us. You don't want me to sing. You do not want me to sing. Paula. Yes. Welcome. Thank you. I'm so excited.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

We are here. We are recording. It's official.

Kelly 1:23

It's been a hot second since we talked too. Since we like our initial introduction over Zoom, having conversations about what it was going to look like being on the podcast, learning a little bit about you. And so I'm excited to sort of relive. Anything right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

I was telling someone yesterday, hashtag menopause, that at this point you could be like, remember that time when we were on the golf course? And I'll just be like, uh, sure. Yeah. You could make up anything at this time.

Kelly 1:51

I'll probably be able to refresh your memory a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

I do remember our Zoom together.

Kelly 1:56

Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

Because I remember your background as well, because it was so low.

Kelly 1:59

The little sound panels. It's funny, people think that this is actually like a picture if I'm doing Zoom, right? Until you get here and you're like, oh, there's sound panels. Very smart. I know. That's my husband. He knew the theme of the podcast, so he got these pink panels. He got the well, I had a pink rug in here and then gave it to my daughter. So you're so cool. We've just done a little bit of shifting, but oh, should we dive in?

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Let's go. I'm so excited. I mean, it's always so fun to just see where conversations are gonna go, how they're gonna weave and turn.

Kelly 2:32

This is how this podcast is. I mean, there's framework, right? Like I'm you're a podcaster yourself, so you always have some general framework. Yes. But I like to let the conversation go where it needs to go.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

Get ready.

Kelly 2:45

Let's buckle up.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

I'm so used to looking at a camera. I'd be like, buckle up, friends.

Kelly 2:50

All right. First, do you recall how the two of us got connected?

unknown 2:57

Really?

SPEAKER_02 2:59

Um, well, it was that one night in jail, and the charges were dropped. So we both got off, you know. I was a little worried about bail, but otherwise, yeah, it was just instant. You came in. I loved your outfit. Um you looked great, and I needed to borrow a bobby pin, and so I could escape.

Kelly 3:22

This is Paula trying to remember how it is that we got introduced.

SPEAKER_02 3:26

Okay, I have a tendency to do this. Like sometimes I will go to an event, and if I'm introducing people, I'll just start making up a wild story. And I'm like, like, this is Kelly. And Kelly at one point ran away with the circus and all was going well until she sprained her ankle and could no longer do the cage of death with the motorcycle. And she was no longer able to do that. And unfortunately, she wasn't flexible enough to do aerodynamic uh like on the the things to be in your brain must be so fast.

Kelly 3:58

Okay, I will refresh your memory. Go for it. Valerie Katie. Really? I'm pretty sure. Oh my gosh, it wasn't Val. It was Val. It's coming back now. I'm pretty sure it was Val. And there, I think because she knows what my background, well, background in mortgage, but now I'm in real estate and we were talking about this on the Zoom. So I think it was a little bit, it was part that, and then part, of course, you fit the mold of mother entrepreneur. That's me. So it was lovely Valerie Katie. I love her. I just saw her yesterday. She's great. She is great. She's a good friend. She actually was just out to our house last Friday or the Friday before that. I can't remember. See, my brain's the same way sometimes. To help out with a little bit of organization in our basement downstairs. Nice. Just in our laundry room space, which is hot masks.

SPEAKER_02 4:55

You see, sometimes those people that have these ridiculously gorgeous uh laundry rooms. And was that you?

Kelly 5:04

No, it's our CRM.

SPEAKER_02 5:06

It's just like, here's why that's triggering. We had a leak yesterday in our house. We just put in a new faucet, and I was downstairs in my husband's office in the basement. I'm sitting in a chair talking to him. And I was like, what was that? And he goes, What? And I just waited. I was like, that, that sound, there's a drip. And he's like, What do you know? That's it's always there. I was like, nope, I said, don't make a noise. And sure enough, the water was pooling underneath the sink in our kitchen, had pooled so much that it was coming through the ceiling and dripping onto the carpet beside me where I was sitting. I was like, no way.

Kelly 5:40

There is a leak coming through the ceiling. No way. I nailed it. That wasn't even that, like the mic probably didn't even pick those up. No, not at all.

SPEAKER_02 5:48

But I'm just like, it's kind of my super spidey sense. I can hear, smell, all the things. Oh. Okay, random fact.

Spidey Senses And Real Life Leaks

SPEAKER_02 5:56

You're gonna get all kinds of random stuff. So once upon a time, I worked for a remediation company for six years. I was running around telling everybody about firewater mold. And so I became really I'm very knowledgeable about mold. And my boss that I used to work with would sometimes take me around into homes to smell for things because I could smell so well. And he would just be like, Do you smell something here? That's there's you just never know what I'm gonna share today, Kelly.

Kelly 6:25

Well, no, actually, I'm thinking because we we live in the world of moisture.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

Oh, sorry, as a realtor, that was the wrong M word. Uh a moisture incident.

Kelly 6:36

A moisture incident.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

I'll never use the four-letter M word with realtors because they're just like, shh, don't say that.

Kelly 6:42

Yeah, no, seriously.

Motherhood First Then A Hard Pivot

Kelly 6:44

Okay, what came first for you? Motherhood or entrepreneurship?

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Definitely motherhood. I was thinking about that. Um because I always wanted to be a stay-at-home mom. That was my plan to be a stay-at-home mom and homeschool my kids, and that's all I wanted to do. I had my wedding planned when I was still in high school. I had a binder, everything planned out. I just needed the guy. I just needed the guy. Let me tell you, that didn't work out so good. But anyway, I get to get the kids. That part works.

Kelly 7:17

There's a story to unravel there.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

That's a wasbend.

Kelly 7:19

But you know what? Oh, I've never heard that one before.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

I stole it from someone else, and everyone is always free to use it because it's not original to me. But I do have a Wesbin. Okay. And it's life lessons. You know, I tangent. I look at life as one of those choose your own adventure books that when you were a kid and you'd be reading the books, and it'd be like, to choose this, turn to this page. If you choose this, turn to this page. Yeah. That's what life is. Because every day you're choosing something, and every choice we make takes us down some different path that we have no idea what's in store. So true. Well, how many, how many kiddos do you have? So I technically have three. Okay. So I birthed two, and then my middle son is my stepson that I ended up adopting.

unknown 8:09

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

And fun fact, when you adopt someone, he got a brand new birth certificate with me listed as his mom.

Kelly 8:16

I did not know that.

SPEAKER_02 8:17

I know. So it was really quite amazing. And that's because when I met my husband, my now husband, and he had his son and who was with us all the time. And I said, listen, if anything ever happens to you, I I'm gonna lose this child. And he's my kid, and I don't want to ever lose him. So we went through the process to adopt him.

unknown 8:40

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 8:42

Yeah, so he's my kid. I love him.

Kelly 8:45

My heart is swelling right now. My husband, so he has two sisters, one that's biological and one that is adopted, and now it's prompted me to like ask my mother-in-law. Is she like because they adopted her and everything?

SPEAKER_02 9:00

And uh yeah, because I'd be interested to see if that's a a Minnesota thing or if it's just anywhere thing.

Kelly 9:07

Yeah, I stay tuned.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

It's kind of one of my prouder things that I've done was adopting him. Yeah.

Kelly 9:16

I love that. And what are their ages?

SPEAKER_02 9:19

So as of today, or at least by the end of this year, so if it's 2026, there'll be 26, 27, 28.

Kelly 9:27

26, 27, 28, so I purposely spaced mine two years apart.

SPEAKER_02 9:34

So that's why mine are the 26, 28, and then Ethan, my um middle one, he's right in between. So my oldest and my was my stepson, but my son's son, they're seven months apart. So it was kind of like like once we became a blended family, it was like having twins.

Kelly 9:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:54

And then another one. So it was it's been very exciting.

Kelly 10:00

Lots of navigating, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

Yeah.

Kelly 10:03

When did entrepreneurship come into the picture for you? Because you had mentioned right away that you always thought I'm gonna be a stay-at-home mom.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

Always. Yeah.

Kelly 10:14

Can I just take a hot second to say, and I've said this before on the podcast, and it this is not gonna be the last time praise Jesus to the stay-at-home moms. Oh my gosh. Seriously. Because it is like, I don't think it's one of the hardest things people understand the amount of like executive management that cut goes into the household, the kids, prioritizing, all the stuff. I'm missing a ton.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

But I oh yeah, like all the jobs that are involved in doing that.

Kelly 10:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

And I would have stayed if it wasn't for the fact that my ex divorced me because that was the plan. I was gonna homeschool my kids all the way up through high school. And I was I loved my life. I loved being at home with the kids, I loved homeschooling them. I had a garden. I used to can and jam and just hang out. That was a rhyme. And I would hang out with other moms and just I loved, loved that. And it was interesting because I did go to school. I have two university degrees. And when I wanted to really be a mom, I remember my mom saying, Okay, that's all well and good, but you need to get a degree. Like you need to have something to fall back on. Because there's more to life than just getting married and having kids, which I can look back at now to see that my mom was a real trailblazer within her generation that she was a real estate agent and she was super successful and just like trailblazed for that. But I was just like, No, I want to stay at home. And so it wasn't until my husband decided he no longer wanted to be married to me, and I became a single mom, and suddenly it's like, how am I gonna support myself?

Kelly 11:56

How old were the kids at that point?

SPEAKER_02 11:59

Um, do seven and nine.

Kelly 12:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

So they it was we're still dealing with the repercussions of that. Like anybody that thinks, and again, it happens, people have to divorce sometimes for different reasons, but it has longstanding, it just has tentacles.

Kelly 12:18

And I think about that actually, because I my two oldest boys are my bonus boys, and yeah, not biological. Maddie is the biological child. The two boys who are 11 and 9 are bonus boys, and I think about that. Uh we do everything in our willpower to ensure that there's so much love and joy that is injected. And here's a really important thing, too, probably the most important thing, is how we co-parent with their mom.

SPEAKER_02 12:53

Oh, huge.

Kelly 12:54

And that it's always keeping the kids first. And it didn't, it wasn't ever in an issue because that divorce happened on a mutual note.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

That's a big deal.

Kelly 13:06

And it wasn't like he or she made and like buy, it wasn't like that. And so there's just this injection of love and joy that we continue to do. Is it perfect? No, it's not. But I always, as the bonus mom, tried very carefully, very carefully very lightly because I want to honor their mom. Yeah, like she comes first, and that's okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:33

That's a big deal. Good for you guys.

Kelly 13:35

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

Because I have heard that it can be done in a more healthy way that looks and feels better. So good for you, because ours wasn't that way, obviously. And that's just it's really good to hear that you're doing that and that you all are trying.

Kelly 13:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

Because I'm well, it depends how it depends what direction we want to go with this conversation and how

Estrangement Grief And Choosing Life

SPEAKER_02 13:59

deep, how fast. Because currently, my youngest child is estranged. She cut off all communication with us two and a half years ago, and we have We're going deep and we're going there quickly. Yeah, let's do it. And that's what I'm talking about. Like when things happen, when there is a divorce, when it's not done healthy and it's not done well, it just has long standing. And I don't even know this for sure. This is just what I think I'm hearing from my other child and kind of things that are starting to percolate now, whatever, like 20 years later. Um, yeah, when there's a lot of tension and high conflict and stuff, it affects kids and it really is not good for them.

Kelly 14:40

Yeah. How are you navigating this right now?

SPEAKER_02 14:44

Lots of prayer, lots of counseling. Uh some days I cry, and then you just gotta. Everybody has hard. Everybody has hard, just different kinds of hard and different challenges. And I don't think anybody's heart is ever more hard than others, because everything it's just different kinds of hard. And so Mother's Day was just this past weekend.

Kelly 15:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

So it's days like that where I'm like, I wonder if she's thinking about me, I wonder if uh she misses me. And then you just kind of go, I'm at the point now where I can say she's an adult, this this is her choice that she's making. I want her around in my life, but I also have a life I have to keep on living.

Kelly 15:33

Yeah, yeah. That's gotta be really tough though.

SPEAKER_02 15:37

It is, it is, but and it's just sad. It's sad because sometimes I'm like, this is time you'll never get back. Like for her, that she'll never get back. You're you're free to choose. So we had a saying in our house growing up with our kids you're free to choose, but you're not free of the consequences of your choices. My kids have heard that so many times. You're free to choose. You are free to choose, but you are not free of the consequences. And sometimes consequences are immediate, right? If you touch something hot, you want to go and touch that, great, you're gonna get burned immediately. But sometimes consequences take a week to show up or a year. Yeah, there are always consequences to our choices, both good and bad. And so it's like you're free to choose, but just know that one day, like your choice is affecting relationship and family, and there will be some consequences.

Kelly 16:25

I like that saying because it's so true. In in parenting, motherhood, and in business as well.

SPEAKER_02 16:37

Oof, absolutely. I cannot even now with my husband and I, we can just be like, you're free to choose, and it's like I went and made this choice in business, or I decided to work with this person, or I decided to advertise here, whatever it might be. You're free to choose, but you're not free of the consequences of your choices. So if that turned out bad or great or embarrassing, there are consequences.

Kelly 16:58

Well, let's go down this, let's navigate there. Okay, because something tells me that there's a woman who's listening right now that is either going, yep, I remember that decision, and it either ended up wonderfully, or and I think it's important to share that failure is important because it allows us to be able to learn, grow, and be able to move forward because maybe it's not it the same exact circumstance that happens, or somebody comes to you and they're like, Hey, Paula, I'm thinking about XYZ. What do you think? And you can provide some heated advice because you've been there done that.

SPEAKER_02 17:46

Right.

Kelly 17:47

So let's let's talk about this.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

So I truly believe that nothing is wasted. Now, this also I can bring in my faith to this as well because I think that God wastes nothing, and that everything we go through, every experience, every adventure, every challenge, nothing is wasted. And I think that God is a great recycler and he reuses everything.

Kelly 18:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

And so for someone in business, yeah, you're gonna make mistakes. How do you think we've discovered all the things, all of the medicines, all of the new discoveries, all of the, you know, when they discovered going across the United States or the Amazon, somebody took a wrong turn on a river and they discovered something. So we tend to be so hard on ourselves all the time, like, oh, I messed up. Yeah, but what did you learn? Right. Another, I don't there's very few little phrases I carry through life with me, but another one is experience is what you get when you don't get what you wanted. So that's another one that I hold on to because it's just like, nope, this is how you gain experience. Like when you don't get what you wanted, now you have experience. So just keep going. Am I always good at this? No, because I can be very hard on myself. But that's how you're gonna figure it out. You just are gonna figure it out. And as long as you have people around you that support you and are just like, yep, keep going. Just get up and try again. Go try something else now.

Kelly 19:14

Yeah, I think this is probably a really nice point to share what it is that you do in business.

SPEAKER_02 19:22

Ooh.

Kelly 19:23

Share them all. Okay, so um what's your primary?

SPEAKER_02 19:28

Classic.

What Paula Does And Why

SPEAKER_02 19:29

So I like to say that uh I'm a professional speaker, AI trainer, MC, and podcaster. If you put a microphone in my hand, I'm a happy gal to have a microphone in my hand. Which that's why sometimes when people are like, Do you want a headpiece? I'm like, nope, I want it in my hand.

Kelly 19:46

I know, I know. I feel the same way.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Yeah, yeah. And so I will give you the tools to build your empire. And so I also do consulting, not as much anymore because I'm primarily focused on the speaking. So whether people are bringing me in to speak for a conference or I get to MC or host a gala or an event, love that. But I will still do consulting because I see too many people being taken advantage of. Someone will come along, they've got a great product, they're in marketing, they're in something, and they're like, hey, I got a great program, membership product. You should, should, should, and they should all over you. And no, you shouldn't. You shouldn't be doing those things, but they don't care because they just want to get your money and sell you their thing. They don't actually care about you, the business owner, what you need to be successful. That's where I like to step in and go, what do you actually need? Where are your clients and customers? What is your like, what are you really good at? What's your natural market? What can you speak to that nobody else can? And what's your budget? Like, not everybody has $10,000 a month to spend on Google Ads. And they don't even know why they are. I've talked to people and they're like, I'm doing this, and I go, why? And I say, How many of your clients have come from there? All these people spending, okay, all these people that spend thousands of dollars on Facebook ads, and then I just ask them, how many of your clients or customers have come found you on Facebook? And they just look at me and it's like I gotta ask this question.

Kelly 21:18

Please as somebody who loves organic growth, organic relationships, like diving in and just being connected to people to have the connection to this person to have it's gonna like to me. I'm like, it's gonna happen naturally.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

Because that's your superpower. And that's where you're see. This is what people don't pause. This is what I do when I work with people. It's like I just kind of be like, let's figure out, let's dive in, let's look at what's here. Because for you, what's gonna make sense for you for marketing and that? Because you just talked about your superpower, what you naturally do. And what works for you. That's how you're finding people.

Kelly 22:03

I think about it in relation to the podcast, Paula. You know, real estate is different because it's my husband and I. He's the lead generator.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

Okay.

Kelly 22:13

And that's exactly how he does he operate the business. What we just talked about.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Yeah.

Kelly 22:18

And it it just so happens that you had two people come together, both in life and now professionally, that have these super powers together. For the podcast, literally, it has been introduction after introduction after introduction after introduction. So organic. And I'm so grateful for that.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

Sounds like you're meeting the right people as well.

Kelly 22:43

Yes. And I can think of five people. You're the 105th episode. Woo-woo. Five people that I have I have reached out to directly.

SPEAKER_02 22:59

That's cool.

Kelly 23:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

That's okay. Now this is getting fun. This is what I love about this, because the same thing is happening with my speaking right now. When people are like, so how do you find your speaking jobs? They they just come to me. I, by the grace of God, I have not had to do anything because it's just naturally coming to me.

Faith As A Business Compass

Kelly 23:20

Hold on, hold on. I don't believe this. I want you to talk about your faith in this. Because I I am a firm believer. There's still work that's happening.

SPEAKER_02 23:30

Oh, it's all God. It's 100%. Because every day I go, all right, God, what are we doing today?

Kelly 23:36

And my whole business is just put your hands on it and lay it out too.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

This is my ministry. So for me, it's like, how can I impact people? So am I going to another country and building orphanages or doing anything? Nope. Those are all great and good. My ministry is the way I get to bless people and interact with people is I just kind of go, all right, God, are we gonna who are we gonna talk to today? Yeah. And he just keeps putting me in front of people and putting me in places where I get to hear people's stories and hopefully bring some joy to them or make them feel seen and heard and loved. Because, well, this is part of my whole be the Ferrari keynote. Be the what? Be the Ferrari.

Kelly 24:15

Be the Ferrari.

SPEAKER_02 24:16

You're not for everyone, and that's the point. And so that's like my signature keynote.

Kelly 24:24

I'm something tells me that you have done a little bit of research on what Ferrari's marketing looks like too.

SPEAKER_02 24:29

Oh, well, no. So quick the story is when I first got into business and I was really worried I wasn't gonna have any customers, and no one was gonna want to work with me. And one day my husband walks in and says, Paula, you're a Ferrari. You run really fast, you're high octane, you can be hard to handle, you got great curves, you are a classic. And but those that love a Ferrari are gonna love you. But not everyone wants a Ferrari.

Kelly 24:55

I love that.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

And some people want a Bugatti or a Camaro or a Tesla or whatever. But he's like the people that want a Ferrari are gonna love you. And it's understanding my identity and who I am and what makes me unique and what makes me great, and knowing that the people that love me, there's more than enough people that love me that are gonna so backing up. Like it's just so fun. I love what I get to do, and I know that God, I just give it all to God. I'm like, all right, who are we gonna go talk to today? And that every time He allows me to be somewhere and I get to meet people and find out who they are, and how can I help you? How can I bless you, and just make you smile today. Okay, so I'm gonna add a little bit

Be The Ferrari And Suicide Truth

SPEAKER_02 25:39

more. So we're gonna keep go deep and get heavy. And again, this is part of my be the Ferrari keynote, but in it I talk about my lifelong struggle with suicide and how I've always wanted to end my life. So much so that I have a tattoo that says lovable as a reminder to myself that I am lovable.

Kelly 25:56

It's a very interesting and spot too.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

So I always see it. True. And so I don't want anybody else to ever feel like I have felt. So that's why I want to treat everyone like royalty, and that's why part of getting to go and speak and be in spaces is if I can just make at least one person feel like they matter, I've seen them, they are valuable, they're important. That is my goal. And if I just use speaking and come up with like AI and networking and stuff, that's just the vehicle.

Kelly 26:29

Yes. This is something that you have struggled with your entire life?

SPEAKER_02 26:35

Entire life. Like right up to adulthood. Probably a couple months ago, like it's still. I have people in my life that help that I can call and then I well, I've gotten some really good prayer lately. Really good prayer. So a lot of that is being broken off. But yeah, it's like when it is so deep-seated, and I didn't know that everyone didn't struggle with this. It probably wasn't until my late 20s that I kind of realized, wait, everyone doesn't just want to die, like this just isn't a thing. And so now when I get to do this keynote, the Be the Ferrari, I pause in this space and I let people in the room know if there's anyone here that's struggling, please come talk to me after. Like, I see you, I want to be there. And then amount of people that will come up to me that are also in that space and have struggled. And I'm like, okay, Lord, what are we doing with this? Like, what do you have for me in this space? What are we gonna do here? Because I realize that he's opening doors and he's allowing things, so I just kind of sometimes wait to see what percolates up and what he has in mind.

Kelly 27:41

I literally two things is it in moments of like sadness or like fear or like what seems to be the thing that the trigger? Triggers, yes.

SPEAKER_02 27:58

So growing up, uh, nothing I ever did was good enough. So if I got 98 on a test and I came home and it was like, look at I got 98 immediately was what why didn't what's with the 2% you missed? And so my whole life has always been that striving for okay, I can do better, I can do better, I can make it more perfect. So there are times in life where I feel like I can't get it or I've messed up so bad. Yeah, I don't know how to handle that. So I was really never given the tools to just go, okay, try again, it's all right, just get up, do it over again, none of that. So when I find myself in a situation where it hasn't worked out or I failed, I don't know what to do with that and how to handle that. And even the there's disappointment tied to that as well, where I sometimes just can't process those emotions. I I literally don't know how. So for me, it's like, well, it would just be easier if I wasn't here than dealing with some of the emotion or knowing that I disappointed people. So I'm learning. Yeah. I'm in, I'm counseling and reading books and talking to people and watching people and just constantly trying to learn like, how do I do this? What does this look like?

Kelly 29:21

Yeah. And and having and going, okay, there are the tools. There are the tools. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 29:30

I'll tell you, like honestly, sorry, didn't mean to interrupt. What's really been helping lately, what's been probably in the last few months, is I've been exposed to what it looks like when someone takes their life and how it impacts people and the aftermath. And it has been so eye-opening, it has drawn a line in the sand for me where I can now go, I will never do that.

Kelly 30:00

I don't think I've shared this on the podcast. Maybe I have, but I'm having emotions come up right now because they're my senior year of high school. I my best friend committed suicide. We had three deaths in a very short period of time. My grandfather passed away. We had a um a schoolmate that lost his life, asphyxiation, and then my best friend committed suicide. And this was all in the last few months of the school year, graduation. And to your point, um it's funny I actually it's not funny, it's interesting that we're having this conversation because a few days ago I thought of her. And I thought of how I'm like, have I actually processed this? Like, was I just in like a different state of mind and not like you know how you just kind of happening, you just go through it.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

Yes, you don't process it, you're just dealing with it.

Kelly 31:21

Yes. I know how this came up. So church on this past Sunday the pastor had brought up in conjunction to the sermon, um like the the verses in Amazing Grace, and that was played at her funeral. And how he explained Amazing Grace and how I was perceiving Amazing Grace at that moment in time, my high school like my senior year in high school at her funeral. And it took me like when I would, whenever I would hear that song, years and years and years after her passing, I couldn't, like I literally couldn't listen to it. And now I I like think it's the most beautiful song ever. But there it was just interesting making this connection and then having this thought, like, have I actually processed through what that looked like? Full circle back to what you were talking about with not understanding how that actually has a ripple effect.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

Cause in the moment, like when I'm having those thoughts and I'm feeling that way, I just desperately want to end the pain. Like to be in so much pain and not knowing how to get out from under that, it doesn't feel like there's a fix, and just kind of going, the best fix for this would be if I was just not here anymore. It would get rid of the pain, it would just fix everything. But you because you're only looking at yourself, you and even in all the times where I've started to plan things out, and I think I know what it's gonna be like for others, and I think like, well, I'll do this to make sure for my husband, I'll do this for my kids, I'll do this, but you're so self-focused that you really have no idea what this would look like because unless you've walked through it or lived through it, which I haven't, so I truly don't know what those ripple effects are, yeah. And how it impacts the people left behind. It's impactful, and especially like as a teenager, I can't even imagine, and right before graduation, it was where because then do you just go through the motions of all right, we're gonna graduate, we're gonna walk. Do you have a chair for them there?

Kelly 33:49

Like, oh yeah, frankly, I don't even remember. I just remember prom feeling so different because I had celebrated with her the year before. And then being there at graduation and thinking she should be here. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 34:13

Well, and it's I would imagine it's the why because when I'm in those moments where I just want to be done, there's times where I feel like I can't call anybody because I don't want to bother them. And it's like, because I'm sure on the flip side, it's well, why didn't she call me? Why didn't she reach out? Why, why, you know?

Kelly 34:31

Oh, the whys are but in that moment, it's like I don't want to bother anybody.

SPEAKER_02 34:36

And I sit there kind of going, like, well, who am I gonna call? And like nobody cares. They're busy, they they have their lives, they're doing whatever.

Kelly 34:43

I can totally understand that.

SPEAKER_02 34:45

Which I've had to learn. I've had to learn to reach out now to people and just say, I'm struggling with this today.

Kelly 34:53

And nothing, in my opinion, is more important than someone's life.

SPEAKER_02 34:59

Agreed. But I think that's that's where the enemy comes in. It's one of the enemy's biggest lies. Biggest lies where he isolates us.

Kelly 35:09

Isolation is where the worst of all they're doing so much.

SPEAKER_02 35:14

No, no, no. Like they're look how busy they are, they don't have time for you. They're not like all of these lies.

Kelly 35:21

I actually think in just doing reflection backwards of the individuals who have been on the podcast and the the deepest, darkest moments for them, which is an avenue that we usually navigate down. It's one of the questions that I pose, is like having the strength to be able to share what is your deepest, darkest moment. And a lot of it stems from isolation, like ice, like thinking this way, making a choice, right? Either you can go this direction or you can go this direction with a choice and making a specific choice and then making another specific choice. And eventually they just find themselves in a place where it's like you you're isolated, right? And that is the enemy 100% at his best.

Isolation Community And Asking For Help

SPEAKER_02 36:07

And this is why I worry about work from home. Because I know there's a whole thing of like, oh, well, COVID came along, and when COVID came along and everyone was at home, and now we've learned that we can do our jobs from home. So why do we have to go into an office anymore? Because we need people. Because we need to be in relationship with other humans, we need to be in community, and yeah, maybe we can be at home sometimes, and it is nice to sit in your pajamas all day. Absolutely. But the longer we're away from people, it's not good.

Kelly 36:35

Yeah. It is, I how would you how would you share with the listeners the type of person you are in environments like that? Are you somebody who goes into like being in community, getting like fuel out of it?

SPEAKER_02 36:54

Oh, 100%. I am an extrovert.

Kelly 36:56

But do you need to like go back home and refuel? Because that's how I feel.

SPEAKER_02 37:00

Like I'm an I'm an extroverted introvert.

Kelly 37:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 37:04

You can do it and you can turn it on when you need to, but you get refueled on your own.

Kelly 37:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 37:09

I get refueled by being around people.

Kelly 37:11

But I do so I do feel like I get like charged up. I do get charged up when I'm around not like a huge group of people.

SPEAKER_01 37:19

Yeah.

Kelly 37:19

Um, but I would say maybe 10, 15 people, which is so funny because I'm literally in this mindset right now of planning out an anniversary event for the podcast. 100 episodes celebrating the pot second anniversary.

SPEAKER_02 37:35

Okay.

Kelly 37:35

And that's gonna be like my goal is to have, you know, 175, 200 people in the room.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

That's cool.

Kelly 37:42

You'll be there.

SPEAKER_02 37:43

Yeah. I'll bring snacks.

Kelly 37:47

I'll bring I'll bring the snacks. I love it. So I don't, I don't, you know, I know that we kind of shifted away. Is there anything that we're not talking through when it comes to the suicide circumstance?

SPEAKER_02 38:07

Yeah, you know, I've learned that I have to just be I'm very open with it because A, I know that it's a safety thing. Like you look at all the big ones, you look like Robin Williams, um, oh, uh no reservation, Anthony Burdain. Like, so there were some big people, especially with Robin Williams, and everyone was like, how could that be? And I realized that my personality mirrors that. That at first glance, people would say, they'll never Paula, because of the personality, doesn't key in. So I'm just aware that there's others like me, and I feel like if I can be honest and open, it allows other people struggling to be honest and open. And just to like I've even told people, I can be the person you text. I can be your person so that when you're having a moment, you can text me and I'll just be like, hang on, it's worth living. Like this will pass. We've survived 100% of the worst days we've had. You matter.

Kelly 39:06

What are the scripts that you tell yourself? Is it is it reaching out to people? Is it talking through it with your husband? Is it like, or are you how do you navigate it when you're having those thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 39:22

Um You know what it's interesting. It's interesting watching what God is doing because even was it this week? Last week, maybe even this week, and I had someone text me and she was like, You're on my mind today. So I'm just sending you a text to tell you that I and I was like, Great timing, because today I'm in a really bad place mentally, and this is exactly what I needed. So I can often see God's winks and his little like, I got you. Uh, but also being vocal about things or being able to text certain people and just saying, oh, it's a tough day today. It's a tough day. Or, well, Holly, we both met Holly. I've been going to his healing house and she's been giving me some really good tools. Really good tools to do spiritual warfare.

Kelly 40:09

I love it.

SPEAKER_02 40:10

So now I'm starting to use a lot of those that when I can tell uh Satan's just come along, yeah, picking at me. I'm like, no. So she's giving me the tools and the verbiage to combat that.

Kelly 40:21

I literally saw some gal walking around with a not today Satan t-shirt, and I was like, yes, I want one of those so bad. It's like, not today, Satan. Yeah, you're not gonna, it's just not even not derailing me. Do you so you mentioned therapy, his healing house, which Holly has been on the podcast? Her episode just dropped actually a few weeks ago. Um actually, by the time this episode drops, it would have been probably a month and a half ago. Um what does that look like in terms of being in the word for you? Because what I continue to learn is that there's so much that can be worked through the more that we're in his word as well. And believe me, when I tell you this, I'm staring at you going, this is a work in progress for me because what I have otherwise done is stretch and reach and go, this is the next, you know, shiny penny fix for XYZ, or I'm unable to manage these emotions or feelings, like what am I gonna do? And the simple answer is just being in his word, from what I've heard. What do you think about this?

SPEAKER_02 41:47

Okay, so I'm in a really cool season right now. I'm in a very new, very cool season. So we stepped away. We had been at a church for the last four years, and I had been the worship leader there for three. That's a whole other thing, too. Because I've been a worship leader for I don't know, 30 years, I've always had a target on my back. So I know that. I know how much Satan just hates me because as a worship leader, so I know that's kind of part of the package. So we just stepped away from this church and we were trying to figure out all right, what are we doing? And God has just come in and met us where we are. So we started watching the TV series The Chosen. I ball every time, like seriously, just bawling because it's showing Jesus in a way I never. It's so good. It is so good, and it's just kind of all these stories, all these things that I've read for years and years and years, where I'm going, hold on a minute. And it's just so good.

Kelly 42:45

It's really interesting. I had the same experience. You know all of these stories. Yes. And to visually, I'm such a visual. Even the streets.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

That's just it. Like when I'm seeing them walking around, I'm going, is that what it was like? Like that's what their roles were like, like that. Yeah. And I'm kind of sitting back going, I was totally off. Yes. Like it just changes how you know it puts things in context in a way where I'm like, huh.

Kelly 43:15

Yeah, it's so interesting. The Chosen TV series has come up multiple times in this podcast. And so I think it's so interesting. And and I usually like, if that is the case, I always try to tag them on Instagram. Like, hey, Chosen, you were the inspiration for you know, it's huge right now. Like, even how cold the tools were season.

SPEAKER_02 43:40

Yeah. It's what like it's so good right now. So that's happening. And like I said, I've been going to his healing house, and I know the whole reason I was there was because what Holly has done for me spiritually, finding this community of believers that's um really kind of becoming my church in this time and space, which Is awesome. Then Holly sent me to see Jim, Jim Nelson, who has a deliverance ministry, and I've gone to see him a couple of times. Life-changing. The stuff he's broken off with my ex, with my mom, like with these other things that have just brought so much freedom, so much freedom. It's really cool right now. Just and then getting more involved with the Minnesota Christian Chamber of Commerce and going, hey, here's a space where I can be unabashedly a Jesus lover.

Kelly 44:31

Yeah. It was fun being there at that book signing and live podcast as well. And to hear a little bit more of Holly's story and in a little bit more of a business formality, a business tone. Because when she was here on the podcast, it was like all the personal stuff. And it was like She's amazing. She really is. She really is. And she's always a godsend. Seriously. So I wrote something down about seasons of life.

From Jobs To Entrepreneurship By Accident

Kelly 45:05

Seasons of life as it pertains to when you were a stay-at-home mom. Yeah. Right? And how there was a season of life for that period of time. And then there was a divorce. And that prompted this next season of life for you. So let's pick up where we left off. Yeah. Because the b you said the kiddos were uh nine and nine. Seven and nine. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 45:33

And so I had to go back to work. It's been such a weird journey in life to get to where I am today. It's you just never know. What did they say? If you want to make God laugh, tell them your plans. Yeah. And we might have the best plan. And it's like, well, just hang on. Just hang on. Buckle up, baby. So I became a single mom, had to figure that out, was trying to piece together jobs. I had a teaching degree, but I had a Canadian teaching degree that wasn't honored in Minnesota at the time. I realize now you can work in Minnesota, but that's a whole other podcast. So I was like, okay, I'm not gonna be able to teach. What am I gonna do? Had hodgepodge jobs. Like I was working in daycares and bookstores and whatever I needed to do to pay my bills, whatever I needed to do. So then I ended up getting married, uh, married Matt, and for a spell, I was working for the Farmington School District. I did their before and after school care. Okay, was doing that for a couple of years until they realized, okay, she needs to be somewhere else. Like they they saw the talents that I had. So then I was brought up to work for Farmington Community Ed, and I was doing all of their facilities, managing all the facilities, all nine schools in the school district, and doing all the things, which I loved. Yeah, I loved that job. And I was there for a number of years, and unfortunately, someone in the community decided that they weren't, well, they didn't like it that I didn't let them use whatever fields they wanted to, whenever they wanted to. So they kind of came in politics. Oh my god. And I don't do that. That's just I'm a rule follower, so I'm like, sorry. Yeah, these are the rules. And they didn't like that I kept the rules.

Kelly 47:10

So you have a firstborn.

SPEAKER_02 47:11

Yes.

Kelly 47:12

Yeah, same.

SPEAKER_02 47:13

Yeah. I'm like, there are rules and we follow the rules.

Kelly 47:16

Yeah, listen. My husband is not a firstborn. Oh my god. We have these moments where I'm like, listen. He's like, rules are just like someone's opinion. He's like, what does he call it? Um, rule rules, bullshit rules.

SPEAKER_02 47:34

A husband.

Kelly 47:36

Which I don't I don't disagree with for some things, right? Like for me, speed limits. It's a suggestion. Yes. Thank you. I was like, where's she going with this? Because I don't have another recommendation. Yes. I will take that into consideration. Yes. Yep, I'm with you. Okay, so when did entrepreneurship committee?

SPEAKER_02 47:58

I never wanted to be my own boss. My mom was a realtor, own boss. Yeah. My dad owned his own company. So I grew up with two parents that ran their own businesses, and I was like, never, ever, ever will I do, I will never run my own business. Nopey, nope, nope, not happening. It's not gonna happen. I will just find good companies. And I did. I kept working. I've worked for Fortune 500 companies, I've worked for all these companies, found great companies to work for, had some really fun, really good experiences. Um, but ironically, they never kind of panned out because I meant to be an entrepreneur. So I can only live so long in an environment like my husband will tell you, Paula, you can't work for a place where you can't affect change and make decisions. It you don't never last. I never last because finally I'm like, this is dumb. Yes, this could be done better.

Kelly 48:49

So I I want to sit here for a minute because I'm finding some parallels to the journey that I've been on and what you're talking about right now. And all I can think about to put it into just a very broad stroke general context is going against the grain, going against what God actually wants to really piece in the faith component, like what God really wants you to be doing, and how we in our hearts go, Well, I just actually think I'm gonna suggest this. And I did that for a period of time where I was like, this is I tied my identity to like what I was doing in mortgage because there was like great moments of success. And I was like, this is it, I've found it, I can earn a really good living, and then tied my identity to it, and then things started to shift, and business wasn't going the way I wanted it to. And then I met my husband, and family started to become a more prevalent, purposeful thing in my life. And all of a sudden it was like misalignment, misalignment, misalignment, misalignment, go against the grain, go against the grain. And I like in my heart of hearts, I knew something was off, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it until one day, you know, and it's not like all of a sudden like this. It wasn't for me, at least. It was just this slow little etch. Maybe that isn't exactly the right thing. Like, why is this happening? Why are you like in this state of mind, a negative state of mind, all the time? Something has to give. Something has to give. And what ended up being the catalyst to this is starting this podcast, interviewing incredible women who were making pivots and taking huge leaps of faith. And I finally had this like the aha moment of like so maybe I'm not actually in like doing the thing that I was really called to do. Tell you what, you talk about like get a microphone in your hand. I feel like I become a different person when I am sitting in this room across from a woman, able to have a conversation versus like if we're at a restaurant or something, like something like I sort of now I can kind of like shift into like a very curious state of mind. Yes, yep, 100%. I just love what the mission is behind this. The mission is to empower other women to feel safe. Knowing that if you're if you're feeling this misalignment, you're not alone and what needs to shift.

SPEAKER_02 52:02

That's important for women too, because women can have a tendency to envy each other and be jealous and look sideways at each other rather than just being kind to each other.

Kelly 52:13

Just talking about this with my husband, and I was like, I am at a point where I have no freaking time for that stuff. No time for it. And I will be the first to also say that like I've had my moments of jealousy. Oh, I'm not unprivy to these feelings and emotions. I'm human. And I also am just like, as I start to surround myself with more people that they're they're on a mission, they've found their purpose, they know their vision, and they're not gonna let anyone get in their way. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 52:51

Yeah.

Kelly 52:52

And I'm like, those are the people that I want to be around. And I don't want, I want to start to see this community of women where we rally around each other, and it's not like crabs in a bucket. You want to talk about this? Do you want to talk through this?

SPEAKER_02 53:08

I've got a running list of things that I'm like that I want to because what you're talking about right now, again, this is my be the Ferrari. In be the Ferrari, I talk about there's more than enough, and everyone isn't your competition. Those are my key points. And it is, it's and I suffer from that. Like when I see other people succeeding, I often have to say, There's more than enough. There's more than enough. It's okay, they can succeed. Um, but back up two steps about what you were saying when you were in your job.

Kelly 53:34

Misalignment, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:36

Because I think the first thing is when it comes to jobs, is I'll often say, uh, you're never real you're never ready to have kids and you're never ready to start a business. Like when people are always like, I don't know if I'm ready yet to have kids, you're never gonna be ready. Like right up until the moment you're giving birth, you're gonna be like, I'm not ready. Like you're never ready. Trust me. When you start your own business, you're never ready. So people are like, Well, I'm not ready, like you're never gonna be ready. Up until the day you open the door, you're like, is this a good idea?

SPEAKER_01 54:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:04

And that's part of it. I think that fear is just part of it. Um, shoot. Oh, also about just jumping in. Okay, so when you talk about misalignment, uh, one of my best friends, I have three, like Jesus. Jesus had his three, then he had the 12, then he had the multitude. I love it. I have my three. And one of my best friends for years, she was like, start your own business. I was like, no. She goes, You need to start your own business. I was like, no. And at the time, I was gonna start an organizing business. Oh my god, organizing. Does Val love this? Yeah, because she was like, You should start an organizing business. I was like, no one's gonna pay me to organize our stuff for them, it's just not gonna happen. And so once I started my business, and now that things are taking off, like my best friend is just kind of going, look at you, it's working. But I started this as a way to get out of a job that wasn't a great job. Like I was like, Oh, I have this idea, I'll just start a business. And I can say that's why I'm leaving this place I'm leaving, and I'll just start this little business. It was supposed to be just a little part-time doing marketing for people, a little social media. And then it just kind of went in a different direction.

Kelly 55:13

Fascinating. So that's that was the pivot.

SPEAKER_02 55:18

Because sometimes life happens. People just need to understand that things are gonna just happen. Because I I went, okay, I'm gonna start Princess Paula Consulting. It's gonna be really simple, low-key, 10 hours a week, maybe 20 hours a week. I'm just gonna do some social media for people. Easy. And I was I was at a real estate company and I wanted to leave said real estate company. Okay. So I was like, I'll start my own company and I'll just do some social media for some real estate agents. And unfortunately, uh, my boss at the time decided that I was not gonna be allowed to work with anyone in said brokerage and banned me from the brokerage. So suddenly I was like, uh, now do I get it? Like, now what? Yeah. So I was like, guess I'm starting this company. I had a massive launch party, rented out a coffee shop, invited everybody I knew, and I was like, here I am, help me find some business.

Kelly 56:14

That's an approach. That's an approach. And I love, well, I it was just like, okay, let's go, let's figure this out. I know, but I love I love your your attitude around it. It's so cool.

SPEAKER_02 56:31

I was like, all right, come on, let's just get this going then. And you just dove in. Now, luckily, I had a really good network I could lean into, and I've made it a habit of finding really cool people.

Kelly 56:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:43

And keeping them in my network.

Kelly 56:45

That's beautiful. And then they can just speak to what you're doing, sing your praises, and then get you connected to other people.

SPEAKER_02 56:54

Like you said, it's finding the people you want to spend time with. Like we only have so much time and energy.

Kelly 57:00

This begs the question then.

Friendship Seasons And Better Boundaries

Kelly 57:02

What are the characteristics of the people that you are wanting to surround yourself with? And how has that put you in a place to evaluate people who are around you that maybe just are not for that season of life for you anymore?

SPEAKER_02 57:24

Ooh. And that's so hard as women. I think as women, we have a hard time understanding that some of our friends are for a season and a reason, and they're in our life, but not everyone is there all the time, and they come and go, and I have a really hard time with that. Sometimes when relationships and friendships end, and I don't know why, or maybe they just kind of fizzle out and I get very, very sad because I think it's me. Uh ergo, see earlier beginning of the podcast where I start to go, like, is it me? Is there something wrong? Is that it? And I'm learning now that there are times for that. When it comes to who I want to surround myself, I actually learned a really good lesson from my firstborn because he he's told us one time he invests in people that invest in him, that give back. And I'm like, Brilliant! Yes. So I'm starting to learn the people that invest in me and show up for me, I'm gonna do the same for them. Instead of just giving it away, right? And you give and you show up for people, and then you know, they're not loyal or they're not, they don't, yeah, then they don't talk nice about you. And it's like, hey. Hey, I know why would you do that? Well, and to have the conversation. I'm also learning to have conversations because I'll have a tendency to think that person doesn't like me anymore when really they just are really bad at responding to text messages. I know, Winnie, my best friend. She knows. Oh, she knows.

Kelly 58:58

It's interesting. I actually have very similar tendencies in my thought process of like, oh, perhaps they don't like me. When the reality is, like, like the thing.

SPEAKER_02 59:13

They responded in their head, then they got distracted with something, and they went on and they didn't realize that they never answered you back.

Kelly 59:20

What I do, this is my habit now because I have had a habit of doing that same thing, which is I'll read it, I respond in my head, I'm like, I will literally respond right now, and then I get distracted. Maddie's in the room, or Joe's asking me a question, or the boys are asking for a snack, or they're getting home from school, and I just go whoop. And I'm like, I now will unread messages so that it prompts me. Yes. And I will do it with emails too. Like, if I know that I cannot respond back to that email, I will leave it unread. That is just simple little tactic for myself.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:02

And that's so good because I'm now learning, like, especially with the people that I really like. I will ask them, like, are we good? Are you mad at me? Are we okay? Because I don't want to.

Kelly 1:00:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:14

I've had to learn because uh there's just some relationships where I don't want to lose them. And if I've done something wrong, let me know so I can fix it.

Kelly 1:00:22

So characteristics. Characteristics of these people that genuine.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:28

I don't like phony people. Well, who does, right? Nobody goes around going, I like fake phony people. Right? I don't think anyone would say that. I do like people who know how to have fun. Okay. What's your definition of fun? People who can laugh at themselves, who don't take themselves too seriously. Okay. Because like inevitably something will happen. You're gonna spill salad dressing on yourself, or you're gonna trip and fall, or something's gonna happen. It's like where you can just kind of look at each other and laugh. Cause yeah, I saw that.

Kelly 1:01:05

You're providing some insight for me. So you'll giggle about this, right? Because you're somebody who gets up and speaks in front of people. That is a fear of mine. And it's also a fear that I have started to overcome. Good for you. Uh BI, actually. If anyone who's listening right now has ever been in BI, that actually was the start of me starting to really reform what it looks like to actually speak in front of people. And that's a 10-minute thing, right? But like that has allowed me to sort of get over that hump. And then last year, for the first podcast anniversary event that I put on the pot diversary. Podniversary. What? Yes. Yes. Oh my gosh. Yes, we had ours this year. So there you go. Now you have a potniversary. I was like, I'm gonna have to get up and speak in front of people. I can't just throw a party and not get up and go like honor the sponsors, honor the people who have been on the podcast, like say thank you, express gratitude. Oh my gosh. I can't even tell you, Paula, how nervous I was leading up to that. And I finally had the wits in me to go, well, pray about it. I walked into the event. My girlfriend Jessla Gare, if you're listening right now, I love you. This has come up a multiple multitude of times. She comes up to me and she goes, Do you need a glass of wine? Are you okay? How are you feeling? Everything okay? And I was like, I'm fine. She goes, What? I go, Yeah, I'm totally fine. She goes, Do you take a gummy? No, for the listeners, for the record, that's not my thing. So just know that that wouldn't have that's more of a just thing. But anyways, I was like, no, Jess, I've literally been praying. And she was like shook. Doesn't mean that I wasn't nervous, right? Doesn't mean, but my whole point of this is like what you need to do, like it's more important when you get into that space, and I'm sure you understand this as you're talking through it with other people who have to get up and speak. It's like, it's not about you, it's about the message that you're gonna deliver to somebody who needs to hear it. They need to.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:48

And everybody has different skills. Like as you're saying that, and I say this to people all the time there are so many things that I suck at and then I'm not good at, but I know the things I am good at. Like speaking, getting in front of people. I had I was talking to my agent yesterday and she's looking at booking stuff for me. She's like, So I just need to know, are you good in a stadium? Like, if uh there's an event I'm looking at that's like 40 or 50,000 in a stadium, are you good? I'm like, sign me up.

unknown 1:04:13

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:14

Does even phase me. I just got chills. Yeah, right, like for you, but then there's something that you're super good at that if you told me, I'd be like, nope, no, absolutely not. And so when you're talking about who I like to surround myself with, I like to find the people that are good at things that I'm not good at and bring them in.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:33

Because I know what I'm not good at, so I go and find those people and I want them around me and in my life because they make up for my weaknesses and having those people to help me guide me, answer questions for the things that I'm not good at.

Kelly 1:04:49

So if I ever find myself in a place where I'm doing a TED talk, I should just come and talk to you because God, I did not say that because I want to, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:00

I don't want to, believe it or not. When people ask me, I'm like, no, I have no desire to be on a TEDx stage. It's not a bucket list for me. For other people, that's great, but it's not a it is it's not a bucket list for me.

Kelly 1:05:11

I mean, yeah, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:13

Well, if God set it up, would I do it? Probably.

Kelly 1:05:16

Right, because if he it's his plan, it's not ours. So any other any other characteristics that weren't mentioned that someone who makes good snacks. What's your favorite?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:31

If you can make sourdough, if you can make bread, it's me. We're in. Are you a sourdough person? Yes, every week. That is a skill. That is a skill. That's what I find that people like can make sourdough.

Kelly 1:05:45

You take my new time, but it is somehow I still I mean I killed the first um your starter starter that I received from my girlfriend Jess, who I was just talking about, and felt so terrible. I didn't say anything for a while, and then I finally was like, Hey, you're coming. Over.

unknown 1:06:00

Can you bring me more startups?

Kelly 1:06:03

And she was like again. Yeah, I'm like, I killed it. I killed it. So all right. So you have been operating this entrepreneurial business actually a few for several years now. You're over the two-year hump.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:21

Yeah, I'm coming up on my three-year anniversary, and they always say, Oh, it takes three years before you're profitable. So I I do that. I not as much anymore, but I'm also a professional musician.

Kelly 1:06:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:33

So I get hired from for that from time to time. Which, fun fact, this is the first time I'm kind of putting this out there, but I'm trying to figure out how to start incorporating music into things. I'm praying about this. Because like I said, I've been a worship leader for years. I've sung with the Minnesota Orchestra. Like I've done all these things, but I've been keeping my speaking just like speaking. And I'm kind of going, is there a way to? I don't know what this is going to look like yet, but I'm just there's a way. It sounds like the singing speaker.

Kelly 1:07:01

Or something like Yeah, or like you start your speech out singing, yeah, and make people think that you're gonna be singing your speech the entire time until you're like, I I just needed to get that off my chest because this is a skill of mine and I love it. You know, that's the easy, that's the easy button. There's another way. Yeah, I don't know. My husband will probably listen and connect the dots for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:24

I'm just like, what does this look like? Or does it need anyway? So that's sometimes I make money that way. When people hire me. Weddings, funerals, and everything in between.

Kelly 1:07:33

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:34

I come and I sing for things.

Kelly 1:07:36

Are you like opera-ish?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:39

No, I wish that is a skill I don't have.

Kelly 1:07:42

I feel like that's the I'm just loud. But that's I'm more Adele-esque. I'm more like Okay, just loud. Oh, I do love a good Adele song, so that's incredible. I'm not necessarily really good, just confident. Yeah. Uh sometimes are people like interviewing.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:04

Like, no, they just were my backup band once, but that was a whole other thing.

Kelly 1:08:10

And then there is like, do you do Mrs. Mrs. and Mr. Claus, like Santa Claus?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:16

I was thinking about that as I was driving over today, because I have a red car. Of course I do. I'm Mrs. Claus. And of course I'm gonna have a red car. And I was just thinking about that actually as I was driving here. I was like, huh, what a

Santa And Mrs Claus By Saying Yes

SPEAKER_02 1:08:27

funny life. Like, again, it's one of those things where an opportunity comes along. And if you say yes, that's why I'm often like, just say yes. Yeah. When someone wants to have coffee with you, instead of going, well, let's see, what do they do? How are they gonna help me? How are they gonna make money for me? And yeah, if you have the time and they're not just trying to sell you some weird membership, go have coffee.

Kelly 1:08:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:49

Because you never know where that's gonna take you.

Kelly 1:08:52

I love that.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:53

And that's with the Santa and Mrs. Claus, the church we were going to at the time, they would do every year they do like a big uh holiday party for the community.

Kelly 1:09:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:02

And invite the community in. And they were like, we need a Santa. And my husband, bless his heart, I love that man. He's an introvert. And I was like, hey hon, they need a Santa. If you be Santa, I'll be Mrs. Claus so that you don't have to do it alone. So we do it that first year, and he was like, that was kind of fun. So we did it the second year, and the second year, some other people knew of it, and they were like, Will you come to our place? We are now what eight years, three, six, seven, eight, nine, nine year nine this year. We're always booked a year ahead. We've ridden on fire trucks, and we're in the largest parade in Wisconsin, and we're in all these things, and there'll be moments where we just look at each other when we're in classroom going, How did we get here? Like that's so incredible.

Kelly 1:09:44

It really is. And like it is fun to do stuff with your spouse.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:50

Oh, we just got hired. We're gonna get to do a gala this year as Santa Mrs. Claus. I'm not saying which one because they're gonna surprise the people when we come in, but I'm actually gonna get to MC an event as Mrs. Claus.

Kelly 1:10:05

That's so cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:06

I know. Paula. Life is just as hilarious to me.

Kelly 1:10:10

Yeah, I I I agree. Okay, so I this is one little thing that I'll just drop, and then I want to go back to designing a life of your of your own. Okay, right. Okay, so we got connected, we had our Zoom, we scheduled you for the podcast. I connected with you on social. I think I had been connected with you on social. And then all of a sudden, I see, I think it was on Instagram, like this you this profile that was recommended. And I'm like, gosh, that woman's eyes look really familiar. And it was this Mrs. You know, Santa. And I was like, is that Paula? Because we had not talked about that on the Zoom, and so I was like, is that Paula? Sure it is. Like, click into the Instagram and I'm like, I mean, I had to like go through the profile till you figured it out until I figured it out, and I was like, yep, there, there's Paula. And so I'm like, this is gonna be fun to talk about some of this on the podcast as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:17

But and I'll tell you, that is so fun. That is so much fun because everyone likes Santa.

Kelly 1:11:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:25

Um, and if they don't, like part of our brand, sometimes when people show up and they're like, I want a screaming child photo, we're like, nope, we don't do that. Yeah, that's not our brand, that's not who we are. We want really good experiences for kids. We want to show up well, we want it to be really positive, but it's really fun.

Kelly 1:11:43

That is how it should be.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:45

It's like I always say, I get everything I want for Christmas because I sleep with Santa.

Kelly 1:11:52

Oh my god, I'm gonna pee my pants.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:54

And I can read a room, so that's part of my keynotes whenever I introduce myself, and I can tell what kind of a runa room I'm in because if they all lose it, I'm like, I'm in. And sometimes if they're like, I'm like, dang, wrong.

Kelly 1:12:05

You fell short there. Okay, so I mentioned designing your life, right?

Designing A Joyful Life On Purpose

Kelly 1:12:14

You are the epitome of this. I was talking about let me explain. I was talking about this the last few guests that I've had on. It has been so cool to see how they have designed this life, curated this life that it fits them. And it's again, it's not against the grain.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:39

Yeah.

Kelly 1:12:40

And it may look so peculiar to the outside world, or like, how do you do that, or why are you doing that? But it doesn't matter because it works for them and it works for their life and it works for their family. I had this, I had this thought because this is where this all comes from, Paula. So just stick with me, stay here, stay with me here. Three interviews ago, I had two gals on who um I won't say who they are, but um they after we finished wrapping up, I stopped the recording and I had to pee so bad. And I went into the bathroom and this came to me like you're designing this life that is just so incredible. And it may look absolutely crazy that you're podcasting and you're in real estate, and you like, but I get to I get to do this life with somebody incredible and I get to do it on my terms, and I love it, and it's so incredible, and I feel like that is exactly where you're at right now, is that you have been able to design a life by a series of yeses, right? Or maybe an unfortunate circumstance too, here or there, but you've been able to curate it for yourself.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:06

That's deep. And it's for me, it's about finding joy. How do I find joy? So I'm kind of sitting here going, what you're saying is, how do you curate a life? And for me, it's how do you find joy? Because there'll be people listening and they're just like, Well, lucky for you. Well, you get to do this because no, no, no, no. We all have hard. We all have hard. And I have a sign on my desk that says, choose your hard. Being single is hard, being married is hard. Choose your hard. Having kids is hard, not having kids is hard. Choose your hard. Working for someone else is hard, working for yourself. There is hard everywhere. You choose the hard you can handle and that you're willing to deal with. Um, it everything is hard. You choose your hard. So is running my own business hard? Yep. But I like this hard more than the hard of working for somebody else. That's not always the same. Like being a stay-at-home mom is hard, being a working mom is hard. Choose your hard. Yeah, it's all hard, there is hard everywhere. Yeah, but you get to choose the hard that you can handle. And then you find ways to have joy. And you just find ways to have joy. Because I'm having so much fun. And I just look for those moments. Uh, when my kids used to leave the house every day for school, I used to say to them, watch for Jesus. Watch for Jesus, because it's always there, and we know it. We know when you're out and about and you see someone and you hear that voice that says, Go say hi, go buy them a coffee, go just acknowledge, and it's always there. Jesus, the Holy Spirit, it's always there going, go do this, you should do this, don't say that, you should do this. And it's whether or not we listen to it. And we just know when we have those moments where we kind of feel that nudge, like I used to tell my kids, watch for Jesus, watch for Jesus, because he's there. And then that's where we start to have joy. Because it's not that there's not hard, it's not that we're not struggling. On the way here this morning, I just found out that my cousin that's been struggling with brain cancer for 11 years just went into the hospital with a grandma last night. And he might be, it might, you know, that wasn't great news, but it puts things in perspective for me. So it makes me go every day, every day, make the most of every day. Because life is short, and I'm here, and God has kept me here.

unknown 1:16:37

I love that.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:38

For so many reasons that I don't even know yet. And there's some days where I go, that's why I'm still here. That person, that moment. Okay, thanks God. Thanks God that you've kept your hand on me. Okay.

Kelly 1:16:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:52

And I guess that's the design. Like now I just live in a place where I'm like, what do you got for me today, God? What what are we doing today? Like, what do we get to do today?

Kelly 1:17:01

How are you? So I did a discipleship. Poor listeners, they probably get sick of me saying this. Um and I've been discipling with this woman. She's 80 years old. Okay. 80, she she's actually um like early 80s. And she didn't she didn't come to her faith until the same age that I am, 40. And she has just had this like incredible journey, hard times, great times, 40 years of like pouring her heart and soul into Jesus. And she oftentimes talks me through like where's the and I I say this, where's your MM? Where's your ministry moment? Where's your ministry moment in the podcast? Where's your ministry moment walking out the door? Where's your ministry moment as you're working in your business? And that can look different. Like if you're not a fa like a Jesus follower or a faith girly or guy who's listening right now, because there are some guys who listen, that's okay. Put it put it into the context of like what's gonna be your profound moment. Yeah, you can still impact people to impact. I

Choose Your Attitude And Ripple Effects

Kelly 1:18:22

love that.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:22

One of my favorite things, I get to speak on the fish philosophy. That's who's just here. It was John who created the fish philosophy, and I was giving him a giant mascot of a fish.

Kelly 1:18:31

Yeah. And tell me, tell me more about this. Well, here's one- In a nutshell, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:37

So there are four practices. There are four practices. Choose your attitude, make their day, play, and be there.

Kelly 1:18:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:43

And oh, do I ever love this? Because it's basically the gospel message without people knowing. But the one I love is choose your attitude. Choose your attitude. And I saw a TikTok video last night, and I'm referencing that because I'm stealing this and I'm gonna take it because it's brilliant. And this woman was saying, you can either be a thermometer or a thermostat. Thermometer is when you are reacting, like you're just taking the temperature of a room, but a thermostat is you set the temperature. And I think that's so good. And I pull that into the choose your attitude because we get to choose. We always get to choose. Someone cuts you off in traffic, they didn't make you mad. You choose to be mad. When something happens, it's easy to say, Well, this person maybe no, they didn't. No one makes you. You get to choose your attitude. You choose your attitude. And I often tell the story of speaking of Santa and Mrs. Claus, when when my youngest first cut us off, it was like on a Tuesday, and that Saturday, we had to go be Santa and Mrs. Claus, and we had to show up for these kids. And it's in that moment where we had to choose our attitude. Were we heartbroken and you know, got punched and sad and all the things? Yep, but we had to choose to show up for these kids and have joy and Christmas cheer and all of the things. That's where we all live. We all live where we're dealing with cranky kids and cranky husbands and things that aren't working and sinks dripping through the ceiling and all the things happening that are frustrating. We cry when we have to, you can be upset, but then we get to choose how we show up and we get to choose our attitude. So I always try to choose joy. Even when there's tough stuff going on, I'm gonna try to choose joy because it just feels better and it's way more fun. It really does and other people like it, it just makes things better.

Kelly 1:20:30

Well, again, we have talked about this in very subtle ways, and let's just put it into context. It's the ripple effect.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:38

Yeah.

Kelly 1:20:38

How you're gonna impact and ripple that creates this ripple effect. And if you choose to show up like a grouch, the people around you are gonna be impacted by that, and then there's gonna be a you know, their their next moment with somebody, and their next and it just creates this ripple effect. What do they call it? Butterfly effect, something like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:02

I do a lot of how lucky am I? Like, even last night when I got home, my husband's like, zinc is leaking again, and it and he's I was like, hun, how lucky are we? How lucky are we that we can afford to call a plumber? How lucky are we that we can do this? Like, let's kind of put things in perspective. How lucky are we? Yeah, that this is our problem. Like sometimes you just have to stop and go, you know, when people are all frustrated about work. I go, how lucky are you to have that job?

Kelly 1:21:29

Seriously.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:30

So let's just take a beat. Like, how lucky are you?

Kelly 1:21:34

For a moment.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:35

And it will just change. Like, for me, it's really helpful to kind of just be like, okay.

Kelly 1:21:40

You're right. You're right.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:43

It just makes it easier to go through life. Because otherwise, those are the people that are just angry all the time and then end up on video between the city.

Kelly 1:21:50

That's not a characteristic we want to surround ourselves with. So well, I I have a couple more questions and then we're gonna start to land the plane.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:59

Okay.

Self Care That Actually Restores

Kelly 1:22:00

I would love for you to share what self-care has looked like for you. Why do you laugh?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:09

About my weakness.

Kelly 1:22:11

You've talked about a few of them. I want you to elaborate them.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:16

I was on the way here. Oh my gosh. Uh so I have a podcast, my co-host is my work bestie, and we just send audio messages to each other all day long. She was like, maybe you should just take the rest of the afternoon off and go and sit in your hot tub. She was like, maybe that would be good. And I was like, Well, that'd be great if I wasn't busy. But I do like to do that. That's one of the things. I just love to sit. I love the outside, I love trees. So when I can just go be barefoot in the grass and be out by trees, totally fixes me. And sometimes my husband knows that when things are just getting too bad, he goes, get in the car, I'm taking you to a park. I'll just be like awesome. I'm taking you to a park. Because then I'm okay.

Kelly 1:22:56

There is something about like getting in nature or getting outside and just getting some fresh air.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:01

That's why this morning. So for your listeners that know that you uh do this podcast in your home. And I when I was hanging out in your driveway, and that's why I was just sitting there, I was like, There's trees, there's grass. I was like, oh, I just need a moment here in nature.

Kelly 1:23:15

Made me very happy. Well, it's funny because it is like, you know, we're kind of that inner ring of the metro area. And so it we do have quite a bit of trees around us, which is nice. How blessed am I? How how lucky am I?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:30

Let me tell you, let me tell you, because we went and built our house in a cornfield in Wisconsin. I miss neighborhoods like nobody's business because when I go out for a walk, I'm on like this road that's just nothing like cornfields and it's not pretty. And I love walking in a neighborhood.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:48

To me, it's such a treat. Like when I get to go to a neighborhood, I'm just like, this is the best ever.

Kelly 1:23:54

We do it all the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:55

And mature trees. I had to pay so much money to put big trees in my yard, and they're not even full grown yet. And so this is just this is really nice.

Kelly 1:24:03

I have these moments. You'll enjoy this. So I have these moments where I'm like, that's it. We're going out west. Minnesota West. Like, we're just gonna go out. I'm done. I'm sick and tired of the politics. I'm sick and tired of all the shenanigans. Like, I'm done. Let's just go. Like, what's gonna be the tipping point for us to just go and live on acres of land and have chickens and raise, like, just you know, like grow our own food.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:37

Okay, you know why I love you so much in this moment? I'm obsessed with the Amish. And that's always my point. Like, when people know when I go, that's it, I'm just gonna go become Amish. They know that I've just hit my limit. It's like, yeah, I just want to go live, except I would miss zippers. Joe's like feminine products.

Kelly 1:24:54

Like those are the kind of things that I'm Joe is like, I I don't think you understand. Like, yes, there probably it will like be this tipping point where we go, Will it's time and oh well, I grew up in Wisconsin and I did lacrosse Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:12

Oh, is that Wisconsin?

Kelly 1:25:14

Yeah, it is Wisconsin. I mean, it's kind of kind of, yeah. Um, but yeah, he has these. What's next? Colorado? Like he's just keep just bye. You know, like I don't know. Anyways, he's he has these moments where he's like, Kelly, trust me, you would miss this life. And I'm like, you're right. You probably would. But right now, this is where my mind is. That's where you go get ice cream. In those moments, just go, I'm gonna go get ice cream. And we have an ice cream shop, like a malt shop right around the corner. So perfect. Okay, we're gonna start to land the plane.

Advice For New Entrepreneurs And Getting Paid

SPEAKER_02 1:25:53

Yep.

Kelly 1:25:56

What's a piece of advice you would give a younger version of yourself, knowing all that you know in these last few years of building a business.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:07

Hang on, because it's gonna get so good. Yeah. And then we say this, Matt and I say this to each other all the time. We've survived a hundred percent of the hardest days that we've dealt with so far. And we always have to remind ourselves that we'll always get through it. We'll always get through it.

Kelly 1:26:29

What's a piece of advice you would give a woman listening right now who's nibbling on the edges of entrepreneurship? They've thought about it, or a friend has gently tried to nudge them. What's it what's advice you'd give them?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:48

What do you need to know, or what could I say to you to help you get going?

Kelly 1:26:53

Expand.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:54

Because I think it is. It I come back to that whole thing of when people think they want to have a kid and they're like, I'm just not ready. You are never ready to have kids. You are you will never be ready until it happens. And people are saying, Well, I'm not ready to start my business. You're never gonna be ready. You will never be ready. So at some point, you have to just jump in and figure it out and surround yourself with some good people that will help you. So, someone who's wanting to start their own business, yep. And actually, what I would say to them is, let me make some introductions. Whatever it is that you want to know more about or you're unsure about, I've got someone I can introduce you to to answer those questions and to help you.

Kelly 1:27:34

What a perfect segue for me to ask this next question, which is what would be a great connection for you? It could be personal, it could be professional. You choose.

Dream Connections And How To Reach Paula

SPEAKER_02 1:27:48

This year has been really fun because this year I hit my first goal. So this year I finally started pricing myself as a speaker in the arena that I should be priced. And since this podcast, primarily, For women, I would get frustrated because a man, a male speaker, if someone was like, How much do you charge? And they just go, 30,000, and then they go, Okay, and they pay them $30,000, and they're not even good. And they're not good. And I was sitting here going, Hold on a minute. So why do we as women sit here and go, like, no, you can just pay me pittance for nothing? So I was like, dog on it. I want to make what the men make. I want to get a $20,000 gig. I want to. So somewhere out there is someone who works for a business or a corporation, and you do some big development day, some big conference, some whatever. I want to keep getting on bigger stages. I just want to. And again, it's not because I'm trying to get on a bigger stage to go look at me. Number one, because I think it's really important for women to get paid what we're worth. And I am happy to be that like that person there, so someone else can look at it and be like, oh, like to be a trailblazer.

Kelly 1:28:57

Yes. I don't always like that term. But yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:00

But also because if I can just bring some joy to people's lives, the more people, the better. It's like we only have so much time on this earth.

Kelly 1:29:08

So you've brought so much joy to me today. Seriously.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:12

It's what a fun ride this has been, right?

Kelly 1:29:15

Oh, for sure. There's been a lot of things. Laugh, we cried. Yes, all of it. Target comes to mind. Target corporation. I wrote it down. Oh, somebody's listening right now that could make that connection. And there is.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:27

There's always like, oh, you're gonna have a development day. Oh, you have a training, a something. And it's just like, yeah. Let's make it memorable. Let's. And here's the thing. Sometimes people say to me, sorry, my stomach is grumbling. It's getting very loud. Sometimes people will be like, Well, do you want to be like Mel Robbins or whatever? Like, no, those are not my aspirations. I'm not trying to be on a TED talk stage. I'm not trying to be like that. I just want to be able to impact as many people as I can in whatever way that looks. If it's a room of five or five thousand, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:59

Because everybody matters. It doesn't have to be a big stage to matter. I just want the money. I just want to be able to, because like I said, this year I hit my first, I got what I'm asking for, and I was like, look at me.

Kelly 1:30:09

So yeah. And sometimes it's just like getting over that fear of asking for that thing, right? And doing it quickly too. Rather than sitting and mustering or marinating on it. Like, how am I going to do this? So I loved what you said. That last part about like who do I need to connect you with? Like, if somebody is nibbling on the edges of entrepreneur entrepreneurship, like let me connect you with somebody. So I'm a one woman listening right now, and I love what you're saying, Paula. How can I connect with you? Brilliant.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:45

So I could just give out my number. Like, just text me. If you go to my website, princesspaula.com, no, princesspaulaconsulting.com. All my contact info is there. You can find me on all the things LinkedIn, Insta, TikTok, Princess Paula Consulting. I'm on all of them. Sometimes TikTok, TikTok is a little less serious. So just be forewarned. It started in the pandemic and has gone downhill since. But yeah, Paula at princesspaulaconsulting.com. I mean, I'm super easy to find, and all my websites have my phone numbers. Do you just shoot me a text?

Kelly 1:31:20

You're brave. Well, you know why my signature too. So why am I saying?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:25

I'm just kind of in all of the years, I don't get weird calls or spent watch it happens now, but I just haven't. It's like, send me a fun meme. I mean, reach out. I want to be an actual real person that people can contact.

Kelly 1:31:40

Princess Paula, you are a gem. This has been so fun. Yeah, it has. So enlightening, to your point. It's been a roller coaster ride. And I enjoyed it. This was fun. It was a fun roller coaster. I appreciate you. Thank you for carving out time. And thank you for making the track from Wisconsin to be here in person. I appreciate you a ton. And I hope you have a great rest of the day.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:05

This was good. You are worth it. And this was fun. Thanks for inviting me.

Kelly 1:32:09

You're welcome. Have a great day. You too. Thanks.

Closing Thanks And Share Request

Kelly 1:32:11

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