Reclaiming Your Hue: A Podcast for Women Rediscovering Themselves in Motherhood & Entrepreneurship

Ep. 110 with Maggie Hilpisch | Human Design Strategist

• Kelly Kirk • Season 1 • Episode 110

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What If Your Energy Blueprint Is Correct

You can love your kids, love your work, and still feel like you’re failing at both when you’re running on fumes. That’s why this conversation with Maggie Hilpisch hit so hard for me. We talk about the messy middle: sleep deprivation, postpartum anxiety, the identity “death and rebirth” of motherhood, and what happens when self-worth is the one thing you never learned how to build before you became responsible for everyone else.

Maggie shares how discovering human design during early motherhood and the COVID era gave her language for what she’d felt her whole life, especially around energy, decision-making, and the pressure to keep up. We break down what human design is in plain English, why it can be such a powerful self-awareness tool, and how it becomes a surprisingly practical communication framework for relationships, parenting, leadership, and workplace culture. If you’re a mom entrepreneur navigating burnout, people-pleasing, or constant comparison, you’ll hear yourself in this.

We also dig into what it looks like to build a real business around this work, from integrating human design into a real estate brokerage culture to stepping onto a national conference stage with six weeks’ notice, to developing retainer clients and team sessions. Along the way, Maggie gets honest about the inner critic, boundaries, asking for help, and the kind of friendships that call you higher. You’ll leave with concrete mindset shifts, a few tools you can try right away, and a reminder that action breeds confidence.

If this resonates, subscribe, rate and review, and share it with a mom who’s building something big. What part of Maggie’s story do you want to talk about next?

Resources Mentioned:

The Comfort Crisis - Embracing Discomfort To Reclaim Your Wild, Happy, Healthy Self

Connect with Maggie:

Website: Maggie Hilpisch

IG: @maggiehilpisch

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  • Email: info.ryh7@gmail.com

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Credits:

  • Editor: Joseph Kirk
  • Music: Kristofer Tanke 


Thanks for listening & cheers to Reclaiming Your Hue! 

Welcome And Mission

Kelly

Welcome everybody to Reclaiming Your Hue, where we are dedicated to empowering women to embrace and amplify their inherent brilliance. Our mission is to inspire mothers and entrepreneurs to unlock their full potential and radiate their true selves. I'm your host, Kelly Kirk, and each week my goal is to bring to you glorious guests as well as solo episodes. So let's dive in. Good morning, Maggie. Good morning. How are you? I am so excited to be here. Good. Okay, I'm gonna real quick grab the footstool for you. Oh sweet. Because that's the one thing that I forgot. So sorry, listeners, you're hearing me kind of jumble around here for just a moment. But I'm so excited for you to be here. I feel like this has been a long time coming, like actually meeting you in person. Because it has, I mean, I've been Maggie, I have been following you on social media since I was in mortgage. And I left mortgage back in 2024. And when I I think I started following you, you were doing your thing with E and V. And I don't want to give too much away because this is your story, but that has been the amount of time that I have been like following your journey, and it's in and out, right? Because of algorithms and what have you. I'm like, sometimes your stuff pops up a lot and sometimes it doesn't. And thank you, Instagram.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that is well, thank you for following. It's been a, I feel like it's been a really wild journey since well, since 2020, really, which I'm sure we'll get into. But oh yeah, especially these last couple of years. So it means a lot to me that you were following me and that I'm here.

Kelly

You're welcome. So then when the introduction from you know who came, I was like, this is this is great. I'm so excited and it's perfect timing. And um, you have been on the list for a little while of individuals to reach out to to be on the podcast. So here we are.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you so much for the invitation.

Kelly

Yeah, you're so welcome. Would you like to share how it is that we got introduced and that you're here now?

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Oh my gosh. So we were introduced by a mutual friend named Ashley. And Ashley attended um a retreat that I hosted in early March. And that's that's the amount of time that you guys have known each other? Yes. Oh my gosh. Yes, I think I know now. I'm, you know, as I think back, like maybe there was some sort of an introduction beforehand. Um, but we we were we were introduced through mutual friends, and then Ashley came to the retreat. She's absolutely incredible. Yes, she is. And uh powerhouse. Yeah, and so and so that introduction came after that. And I just it I feel like some of the most powerful, incredible, impactful women in my life have all come through warm introductions.

Kelly

Warm introductions are always the best. Um, and shout out to Ashley because she, like you said, is wonderful. She's a gem, and she's she's one of those individuals who is intentional with her introductions. She is cautious, and she's like, I just let me check to make sure it's okay. And I I firmly believe in that and appreciate that. 100%. Yeah, the consent and intentionality is really important, and she's amazing. I know. Shout out to Ashley, Maggie. Let's go ahead and dive in.

Motherhood Or Entrepreneurship First

Kelly

What came first for you? Was it motherhood or was it entrepreneurship?

SPEAKER_00

Uh, so so technically it was entrepreneurship through several kind of failed attempts. But I always say that motherhood is what catapulted my entrepreneurial journey, and it certainly was the catalyst for the work that I'm doing now.

Kelly

I love that word partnered with motherhood and entrepreneurship. Um, I think that that probably snaps something into place for me because I feel that in my bones too. I definitely feel like there was a catapult when Maddie came and I was just like, there's bigger purpose here. And how can I continue to evolve and be continue to evolve and be 1% better every single day? Sometimes it's a challenge.

SPEAKER_00

But entrepreneurship certainly Oh, I think it's one of the most spiritual experiences you could go through. Motherhood, certainly. Entrepreneurship, also a spiritual experience, and you cannot convince me otherwise. And I feel like there was something about motherhood that really transformed the way I see myself and operate in the world, as it does for so many of us. And, you know, upon reflection, like hindsight is always 2020, but the journeys that I started before motherhood, I was so ill-equipped. I had like, I had less than zero self-worth. And you cannot go into entrepreneurship without a bit of a backbone and some self-belief. And so I feel like that, you know, I would I would actually say, you know, motherhood really kickstarted it because it it changed everything about how I show up in the world.

Kelly

Oof. And talk to me about and share with the listeners how many kiddos you have. I have three boys.

SPEAKER_00

I have a uh I have a six-year-old, he'll be seven this summer, and then we have a set of identical twins that just turned five.

Kelly

Oh my gosh. It's all coming back to me now. It's all coming back to me when we had our initial conversation and you were sharing. And so um, motherhood was sort of that that first thing. Yeah. So let's talk about having your children and then where in all of that, like let's kind of map out all of it for the listeners so that they have some understanding of

Early Motherhood And The COVID Shift

Kelly

that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Oh, well, we can go on the journey, baby. So I had um our oldest son, our six-year-old, in August of 2019. And um, you know, six months after that, of course, COVID hit. And so that that sent us kind of on a whole new wave of discovery and adjusting. And um, but he was maybe six or eight weeks old, and I just remember being in the throes of motherhood. None of our boys were sleepers no matter what we tried. So we were so deeply sleep deprived. And I just kept thinking, like, what am I doing? I felt just like I was failing at every corner. I was so bone-tired. Um, I just I was in that that total identity shift, right? The kind of death and rebirth that happens with motherhood. And um, I I I taught yoga for a decade when I was in college and beyond. And um, and so I've always kind of been in the world of I've known about astrology and I've known about some of these different energy healing modalities. And um, and so by way of one of my contacts there, um, I found human design. And I looked at my chart, and um, you don't have to know what any of this means, but I'm a projector in human design. And I read the first few lines of what it meant to be a projector, and it was like that my whole world started to kind of open up, you know. I had never felt like any personality test or any other modality had nailed how I was feeling or what I was navigating in the world, like human design. And so that was the end of end of 2019, early 2020. And I was absolutely hooked. Um, and so in in my spare time, we I bring COVID in because you know, lockdown happened in March, and I had found human design shortly before that. So I just had all this extra free time without having to commute or do anything to dive in. And so I was hooked. I self-studied for the first like six months. I took my first course at the end of 2020. Um, we had found out that fall we were pregnant with the twins, and so that you know caused an entire shift around what was I even gonna do for work because where do you find childcare for three three, you know, three babies?

Kelly

My gosh.

SPEAKER_00

And so uh I ended up taking a year and a half off, and a few weeks before they were born, I had this really deep knowing that I needed to, I wanted to sign up for a year-long advanced mastermind in human design, and that met twice a week for the whole year. And so I birthed the twins and I stayed home with them for a year and a half, and I simultaneously dove even deeper into human design. And when I came up for air, like a year and a half later, I I was already doing readings and I was like, I whatever I do, wherever I go back to work, um the human design has to be a part of it. Oh my gosh. And it's just been a journey ever since.

Kelly

I have so many questions. And I'm also sitting here in awe thinking about having that time. Oh my gosh, so many questions. Okay, so what were you doing prior to coming into human design, learning about that, and then finding out about the twins and and deciding I'm gonna take some time off? Yeah. And I just, I mean, obviously there was this massive shift that happened within you as soon as you learned about human design, your human design as well. And so I wanna I want the listeners to understand like what were you doing before and what was what was the emotion, the feeling, the thoughts that were being evoked when you found out about your human design? Because I I mean I have to believe that you were like there is something here to like spread out to the world. Yeah. And you obviously thought, I'm just I want to be a part of that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Oh my gosh. So many good questions. Okay, so to answer your first question, for oh gosh, I mean, it has to be six, seven, or eight years. Um, I worked uh very closely with England Volkers, which is a real estate company. I worked in in our in our local brokerage, and um, you know, I I still hold them in such high regard because they really gave me permission and opportunity to dive into this work, and we can talk about that. But at the time, I was helping run one of our shop locations and um, you know, just operating behind the scenes, and that was my full-time gig. And so kind of completely uh, you know, opposite of what human design was. And so that's what filled filled my free time. Um, and then when we found out we were pregnant with the twins, um, we made the decision that I would stay home um just for a little while. We know it was temporary, but at least for that first year um to just get our bearings straight. You know, our oldest wasn't even two yet when the twins were born. And so um, yeah, we made the decision that I would stay home. It ended up being right about 18 months that I was home with them. Um and then I uh I got in contact with my my old bosses, the brokerage owners, and we were exploring some opportunities for me to come back. Um, which, you know, it's they obviously loved you so much. Oh, well, we have such a great relationship. And uh, you know, when you find those people who really see you and believe in you, it it changes everything, you know. It really does open so many different doors and windows of opportunity. And of course, as as life would have it, it was very kismet that there there was a need to be filled right at the time where I was ready to come back. And so as we were talking about this opportunity, um, I said, you know, would you be open to me maybe testing the grounds with human design as part of this new role that I'm stepping into?

What Human Design Actually Is

Kelly

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

You know, and and for those listening who've never heard of human design, we can talk about it, but it's a really unconventional system. You know, it's like the most detailed personality test you'd ever take. Yeah. But we work with your birth information. And so, yes, does it get into the world of like the the astrology systems and tools? Yeah, absolutely. And that's typically unconventional.

Kelly

And so um I actually had on here like what is human design, Maggie, because some people who are listening right now maybe have zero idea, or they've heard of human design, but they haven't they haven't dove into it. Yeah, and I feel like I have just tip of the iceberg knowledge on it as well, which I think is actually a great thing going into this interview. Yes. I was purposeful in not diving into it because I wanted to have this conversation as like explore exploratory. Yeah, absolutely. So the listeners are coming alongside me as well.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, which is so, which is so great. It's such a great place to be. And I really think it's, you know, human design is kind of having a moment and gaining some momentum, but it's still very, uh, very unknown. Um, so it really at its core is a self-awareness tool. It's one tool you can add to your toolbox on your own journey of personal development and self-discovery. Uh, and it gives you essentially a map of who you are, how your energy operates in the world, um, how you make really aligned decisions, the inherent gifts and strengths you bring to the table, the role that you came here to play. I always think about human design as one of those dolls, and you open it up and there's another doll and another doll and another doll. Um, but we use the word mechanics a lot in human design, and it shows us mechanically one possible way that you are wired to move through the world. Yeah. And um, but it is very unconventional in that instead of a self-assessment where you're answering a questionnaire, we are pulling from your birth information. And so it's rooted in several esoteric systems, um, one being astrology. So that is a whole nother conversation that we can open up and have, right? Um, but it's very logical in its delivery and how it wants you to go out and experiment. And so um what you know, when we were first exploring this, uh what I said to my my bosses and the owners, I said, let's test it on you first. Let's I'm gonna come in and we're gonna do a reading with the two of you, and I'm gonna show you what this system can do. Yeah, and then you can tell me at the end if it's something you want to pursue or not. And so we did that. I love this. Yeah, it was really eye-opening, really fascinating. I mean, I also the other thing I'll say about human design is I think it's one of the greatest communication tools that I have ever found. And it's one of the reasons it's still the primary tool in my toolbox when I'm working with people because it opens the doors and windows to conversations that you might not have otherwise. It allows defenses to come down because it's just so unconventional that people are more curious than they are kind of ready to suit up and sure defend their position or avoid conversations that might need to be had. It fosters really rich understanding and compassion for the other. And it also inspires, we use the word differentiation in human design. It really is here to say this is how you were uniquely wired and designed. Um and and how can we lean into that and double down on that and then chip away all that you aren't? And so we did that um initial session and um and it just kind of naturally evolved

Bringing Human Design Into Real Estate

SPEAKER_00

from there. And so what we what we ended up doing was bringing it in as almost like a coaching and retention tool. And so anybody who was within the ENV um brokerage or the local network um had unlimited access to sessions. Wow. And so people used it almost like an additional coaching tool where they would come in when they didn't necessarily need business advice. I'm not a therapist, so they didn't need therapy, but they needed a place to kind of sit with some of these things that were coming up. Again, entrepreneurship is such a spiritual experience. And and so um we created a little office uh in in one of our brokerages, and that's where I set up shop. And so for two years I did that um alongside some other duties, and we had some really amazing um results. You know, we had one of our we called the agents advisors. One of the advisors went on to have um one of her career years. We had uh a really Taylor. No, um her name is Jess. Okay, but we love Taylor. I love Taylor. We love Taylor so much. She's you know, funny story about Taylor. We'll get on a little tangent. Taylor's the reason I'm doing human design. So what? Yep. And so um I was self-studying, I was so obsessed. You know, Taylor and I have always been pretty dear friends, and um, and so of course I asked her about her chart, you know. I was like, I don't know how to read this. I brought all my books over, and I, you know, I was like, I didn't know what I was looking at, but I would flip through a page and I would read what that page said. And then um, she bought me one of my my human design books that I still use today. And um, as we were sitting on her back porch, she was like, You should do readings, like you should you should give readings. And I was like, I could never do that. I don't know, I don't know anything about this system, I just love it. And she's like, You love this system, you should start doing this. And so that prompted me to take my first course and offer my first readings, and here we are.

Kelly

Wow, and we didn't even like that. And I just I I know of Taylor because being on the mortgage side of things initially, meeting with her a couple of times, doing a couple of transactions together, it just she's incredible. Yeah, she's she is like salt of the earth. So shout out to Taylor. Oh, we love you so much if you're listening to this.

SPEAKER_00

What a best friend, Maggie. No, it's really, it's really amazing. And you know, this gets into projector dynamics, which again is one layer, one type in human design, but there's this element of waiting for the invitation for the projector. And yeah, there was something about her seeing something in me that I couldn't see in myself yet, and encouraging that. That really had me start looking at this differently because my intention about learning human design was never to turn it into a business. It was just that I was insatiable about learning it. It was changing the way I was viewing my son. It, oh my gosh, it was such an important tool for my marriage, especially once the twins came along. Um, our twins are so different energetically than our oldest. And so it's been such a great parenting tool. And so the intention was never to carve a business out of it. It just really happened so naturally. And um, and so at ENV, about two years in, we were having also amazing retention, which you know at a brokerage is you know, it's that's difficult to do.

Kelly

It is it's necessary, right? And that really boils down to culture, yeah. Frankly, culture and the support and um how agents feel like they're being taken care of, agents and slash advisors.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And so this was, you know, this wasn't the only element, but it was uh certainly a a really beautiful addition that they had access to. Yeah. And we were um what I think it does more than anything, it really makes people feel seen and heard and understood, and they had a place to go to to be witnessed.

Speaking On The National Stage

SPEAKER_00

And um, and so that um ended up with uh a talk at ENV's national conference, ENV America's National Conference, which, you know, for me is like it, that was all spearheaded by um by the owners of that company and being champions, but um to be able to stand on that stage and and speak to all of these individuals about something as unconventional as human design, you know. I walked off that stage and I I just knew there was more work to be done. And that really is that was a huge catalyzing moment in my career to say there's something here, yeah, and I don't know what this is gonna look like, but I have to pursue this with everything I've got. How many individuals did you speak to? Well, I think that I think it's 1,100 people attend that conference. Wow. It was an ear, it was the early session, so I don't know how many were actually in the room. Okay. It was it was a it was one of their main stage talks, and um, and you know, I totally expected that I would be a breakout room, especially for the content, you know, as we were starting to explore um where they were gonna place us in the agenda. And the other wild part about this is um I had like six weeks' notice. You know, they were like finalizing the agenda, and um and so it all happened so fast. And yeah, in my head was totally planning for a breakout session, which would have been so glorious and wonderful. Um, but it really pushed me, it it didn't push me, it like threw me off the cliff of my comfort zone and my edges.

Kelly

Well, and you had a choice too, right? It wasn't like you know, kind of a la-di-da thing. It was like you were presented with an opportunity to either say yes or no. And look at what actually saying yes, even though there was probably something inside of you that was like, oh my gosh, this is huge. Do I even like have it in me to be able to do something like this? I mean, I think that this is just something that goes through, particularly speaking, women's minds. And I'm sure you have a lot to say about this as it pertains to like human design and the type, like how how women are who we are as women. Um, and I don't want to broad stroke this that like every single woman has these like self worth moments of like, do I deserve this? Is this actually happening to me? Am I worthy of it?

SPEAKER_00

100%.

Kelly

But I think that there's a lot of us that have moments in time where we are presented with a decision yes or no. And it can it can mean swinging one direction with our Business or motherhood and vice versa.

SPEAKER_00

100%. 100%. And this is where that self-awareness and and um self-worth work really does come in because if the if the vessel, if the body, if the spirit is not ready to hold what comes to you, then you are it is you are gonna say, I don't think I can do this. Yeah. Right.

Kelly

And um you're gonna put every single roadblock in the in front of yourself.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. You know, and the irony of this is that I was really excited and I was feeling ready. Of course, I still get a little to this day, I'm still a skeptic of human design. I love to tell people that because I think people assume I'm like, I am so tried and true and rooted. I still have a healthy skepticism of this system. I just have enough anecdotal evidence now to keep going. Um, but there is still, of course, a moment anytime I'm about to speak or or be in front of a group um where I wonder, like, are they gonna think I'm absolutely nuts? Like, are they or are they gonna am I immediately gonna be written off because of what this system is? And um, and the the ironic part is I was so sick before that talk. The talk was in Vegas. I was so sick I had to push my flight out a day. I had the flu horrendous. And I was so dang sick that I didn't have time to think about my nerves. Wow. And I got to Vegas, I slept like 12 hours. Uh, and I was I woke up for that talk that morning, just so grateful that I could get up and get ready. Sure. And I I think that had to happen that way because I would have, I would have potentially spiraled.

Kelly

Oh my gosh, I would have already spiraled, I would have been like, why is this happening? And I we had talked about this, Maggie, when we were on our Zoom call, where like faith for me is so important. And when I hear stuff like that, I know with certainty that it is um, it's the enemy, it's negative energy, it's it's trying to pull you down into this safe space of like, nope, you don't need to do that. 100%. And so the second that you said that, I was like, oh, I know exactly what that is. Because I've had it happen to me when you are having these moments of proverbial greatness, right? Or something really fantastic comes into your purview, and then something opposite of that happens and you're tested. There's a test, literally.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. It's it's how much can you root in certainty, right? And yes, I you know, human design, ironically, right? Ironically, because of some of the systems that it's rooted in, has brought me so much closer to God, to creator for me. You know, it's really reignited my my faith and belief. I never, I never didn't believe that there was something beyond us that was universal love that was always going to be there for us. But um it's really ignited that in a way that I wasn't expecting. And I think it's a bit of a a paradox, you know, especially when we're dealing with a system like this. But I've had so many miraculous experiences. I have witnessed literal miracles with my clients in the last six years to the point where it's undeniable that there's a force greater than us. And for sure. When I think about human design, this is getting a bit on a tangent, but uh human design has really shown me and given me so much evidence to the fact that we are all divinely created. And it's just one tool that's giving us some language to describe that sort of divinity and uniqueness and divine um creation, and that's how I love to approach it now going forward. Beautiful.

Kelly

Human design, you're also raising three children, right? I mean, it was two, it was it was one at first, and then the uh and then the twins came, and you at that moment were like, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go full into you know, taking a year, year and a half off, but it wasn't off, yeah, right? It was it was parenting, it was you know, going through these onion layers of motherhood with twins, and simultaneously taking in more information. Yeah, the heck. I know the listeners feel the same way that I feel right now. How the heck?

SPEAKER_00

Well, tell

Twins And The Darkest Year

SPEAKER_00

us more. I'm so glad you asked this question because I think we assume things are easier highlight real. And it those were the darkest years of my life. Pray tell. Darkest years of my life. Um, my actually, I had my blood work done last year and my body stopped making cortisol because I was so taxed. God chills. Yeah, so taxed. It was like, uh, sister, I don't know what you're doing, but we're out. Yeah. So, yes, oh, let's talk about this. Um okay, so so our firstborn, I love him so much, and he is such a firecracker and he has so much passion. He has two speeds, right? He is full throttle and asleep. Those are the two speeds. And um, he's been that way since the minute he was born. Um, I had a relatively traumatic birth with him, um, where everything ended up fine, but you know, you think because everything was fine that there's no trauma attached. Yeah. You know. And I never processed misconception. Absolutely, never processed his birth fully. Uh, we didn't sleep that first year. We finally started sleeping. I finally started feeling like myself again. And then I took that pregnancy test. And I have to be so honest with you, and I this is always so hard for me to say because I know this is not women's reality. But I was I was devastated at first because I was like, uh we weren't planning.

Kelly

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I was like, I, but wait a minute. I'm just, I'm just finding myself again. I just started sleeping. Like we just got to go on our first vacation since COVID. Like, what do you what do you mean we're doing this all again? Um, and so you know, I think that's a vulnerable thing to share, but I I I think it's important in case that's anybody else's reality. Um and then, oh my gosh, finding out they were twins and there were two of them. There's a whole nother story attached to that. But we we were so shocked, we were so excited at that point, but we were so overwhelmed. I had really just kind of like found my groove again with work. Um, and and as we were exploring childcare costs and even where we could go and what would what that would look like, um, we just decided it would be better to take a little sabbatical. And I mean, thank God we did because the twins would not take a bottle. So that was a whole nother thing. Um, it was, you know, a year of pure attachment, honestly. And so um twins were born, and that kicked off a whole nother year of no sleep of um of deep, deep attachment. Um, I was so under-resourced. I didn't ask for help. I didn't want anybody over because I was, I I definitely was dealing with some postpartum anxiety. Yeah, I didn't love having other people hold the babies or be around them, and so I just had this gritted out, do-it-yourself mentality. I was not eating um only because I was so tired I couldn't even think about it. Oh my gosh. Um, and I don't really remember that first year.

Kelly

Maybe blacked out.

SPEAKER_00

I did, I genuinely blacked out, you know. And but I also think there's an there's an importance in that in being honest about that because I have so much grief attached to that first year.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

There's so much grief around my being so under-resourced that I couldn't be there for our oldest, you know. So now I feel like I'm making up for lost time. There's so much grief around wishing that year away.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

When now I would do anything to go back and have another day with them as that age and that size, you know? And so there is a lot, a lot of grief attached to that period of life. And how we made it through, I don't actually know. But if I could go back, I would say accept the help and take the sleep and slow things down. And but but the thing about human design during that period was it gave me an anchor point every week. Okay, it gave me an anchor point. I really wasn't leaving the house. Like I didn't know how to leave the house with two infants and a two-year-old. I just I, you know, I didn't I didn't grow up in like I'm an only child, didn't grow up in like surrounded by children.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

And I just feel like there's so many women who who they get it, they understand it, they feel resourced. I felt like I was drowning every single day where taking a shower was difficult. But there was something about knowing that at 10 o'clock every Tuesday and at 10 o'clock every Thursday, I was gonna log in for an hour and learn.

Kelly

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

That really kept me kind of anchored through that year.

Kelly

It all happened exactly how it was supposed to for you, Manky. And I know that that sounds so like matter-of-fact and maybe crass. No, and I also as a woman of faith, I'm like, I I know that that all happened, and it was almost like it was it was that little bit of ember that was just like still there, yeah, and it just needed a little bit of the for it to flame, right? And sometimes that takes a little bit more exertion and sometimes not. And in this case, I mean, you can you can speak to it better than I can, right? But you you probably know how much exertion was needed for the embers to really start to get going so that the fire was like there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I so true. I think um I learned so much about myself. I really thought I was like, again, I had like less than zero self-worth going into motherhood. And I thought I was weak and uh, you know, like that I couldn't hack it. I was like embarrassed at how fragile I was or how um, you know, I could bend and break so easily. And there was something so initiating about this experience that you know coming out on the other side and now just looking at our life and our children and what we're building, it's I to me I'm like you had it all wrong, you know, and it was just because you didn't see yourself and you needed an experience to shake you so much to your core to help you kind of clear the fog and the glasses of of your own self.

Kelly

It's interesting. I have some parallels with you, Maggie, in terms of that fragility. Did I just say, did I make up a word? No, I think that's fragility. Fragile. Sorry, I had to. Um when I was pregnant with Maddie, I had this moment in time where I was like, wow, something really bigger is coming down the pike, right? I'm like, it's coming. I don't exactly know how to like mentally process through that. Yet you just know internally something bigger is coming and it's bigger than you, the purpose is greater, and it's it is motherhood, right? And to what I was speaking to right when we right when we hit record, I'm like, there's I know there's something else bigger beyond that too, that God has purposely put in conjunction to motherhood. And at the same time, I was like, I can't do this. And this is how the genesis of and the birth of the podcast started. Because I was like, how are other women doing this? And I can specifically point to women either in the mortgage industry or in real estate, where I was looking at them going, I don't, I don't understand. Am I like and doing this comparison? And I'm like, I don't understand why why can't why do I not have it? And I know in reflection that without even knowing what my human design is, just knowing that who I am as a person to the core, being in that industry in mortgage was not my path. And my husband often jokes, like, I don't know how you lasted as long as you did in mortgage. Um, I just think that I had enough um rev in me in certain periods of time and seasons of time that it just kind of kept going until it didn't. Yeah. Until literally my my pipeline was starting to dry up. And that's something that I don't know if I've fully admitted on the podcast. Actually, I think I did when I had roles were reversed and somebody interviewed me. And I was like, yeah, I mean, that was that was becoming a reality at the same time that I was becoming a mother.

SPEAKER_00

Wow.

Kelly

Losing a sense of identity while gaining a different sense of identity and feeling so fragile in that moment because you're like, I know, like I I had this like innate feeling like I'm gonna be a freaking great mom. I know it. Like I had already had a foundation with the boys. Yes. But I'm curious, like, what was some of that in comparison to other people? Like you were you were seeing, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my gosh. Yes,

Energy Types And Parenting Reality

SPEAKER_00

yes. And this is where if we come back to human design, it really it gave me so much language to describe what I was experiencing. So um I've mentioned before that I'm what's called a projector in human design. That's something uh around your human design type, kind of like your energetic operating system. There's five possible options you could be in. 70% of the population are what we call generators or manifesting generators. Now, learning human design is like learning a new language. What I want you to know about them is that 70% of the population has this almost this like life force battery that they have within them. They they they generally have more energy and more sustainable energy to move through their days. Ah. And I am not one of those.

Kelly

And again, I think I have a parallel here with this. Yes, I know.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I can't wait till we get our hands on your chart. Um, but but again, is human design true? I don't know, but did it give me language to describe what I was experiencing and this this constant lack of feeling like I could keep up? And that was not just motherhood, but as I reflected, that was my entire life. And so what did I do in those moments? I just pushed harder to the point where I kind of numbed out, I kind of like numbed myself to my life. I there's lots of memory gaps, I don't remember certain parts of my life. Um, and it was because I was just sprinting as fast as I could and did not know when to quit. And motherhood really forced me to confront that part of me. And and then human design gave me some language to start to restructure what that looks like. And so, a really very real example, my husband is a generator. Um, he is the active parent, he is the one who can get around, and he's also he's meant to be a boy dad, right? They're very physical. He's the one who can get on the ground and roll around with them, and and he's very, very active.

Kelly

And and I get Maggie and Kelly just sit there and watch, like, have fun. Literally had this happen last night. I was like sitting there watching, like, I hope I don't get hit with like a pillow or uh like the roll, the styrofoam roller.

SPEAKER_00

I'm like, I am in the war zone right now, but I hope I don't A House of Boys is a really different, it's a whole different ballgame. Yeah, that is so funny. I yeah, I I feel like I kind of reframed what this keeping up meant. And A, I started asking for what I needed, which was occasional space, even if it was 20 minutes. I just needed to decompress and then I could go back in. But um, I'm more of the observant parent. Like my my presence is the best gift I can give them. And it doesn't mean I have to be in the ring all the time, it doesn't mean I have to be the loudest one or the most active one all the time. In fact, me just being there and offering my presence is enough. And I had to really kind of reteach myself that and then start to practice it.

Kelly

All right, we're gonna shift gears. That was really beautiful, and I I can feel myself being heard and seen too. I'm so glad. So I'm like, yes, all I need, and I do just want to share this with the listeners. Um, before we hit record, I was like, Maggie, remember when we talked on our Zoom call, which was just not too long ago, it was maybe two months ago. Tops. And I was like, Maggie, the only thing that's standing in the way with me getting my human design chart is the time I was born. And I already knew that even before we were on our Zoom call, because you have something on your website where it's like, um, you can probably speak to this better. It's just like if you've got the time the date, uh obviously year, day that you were born, and then the time that you were born, you can have access to this, and then it and then above and beyond that, like reading the charts is where Maggie comes in.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Right.

Kelly

And I was like, I had been on your website, I had gotten that far. And I was like, I don't have the time. And I've literally asked my mom like five times. She's like, honey, I don't have it. Yeah, this is the She's like, check your check your birth certificate. I'm like, it's not on there. So, anyways, um, I'm feeling seen, I'm feeling heard, and thank you. It's it's putting things into perspective for me. And I'm sure that there's women who are listening right now, again, no idea, or maybe they have a a pulse on like what human design is, and this is just inferring a little bit more for them. Yeah, absolutely. So, you this has been a couple of years, right? That you have been in this with human design. You have you're building a business off of it. Something that I wrote down is like, what does a business model like this look like? I'm sure you were learning, you know, like building the the airplane in the air as it's like, you know, you know, obviously we need to like the airplane needs to go through the air, but we're building it as it's like going through the air. Oh, such a good business model and scalability of this.

SPEAKER_00

What does that look like?

Building A Human Design Business

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Oh, I'm so happy you're asking this. Thank you so much. So, okay, a little backstory. So I've been doing this now since 2020, but for those first four years from 2020 to 2024, this really was like a hobby business. You know, it was like a little, this was a little side thing. And then of course, the opportunities at ENV allowed me to incorporate it into my my salary, nine to five. Um, and so it's really only been in the last two years that I've said, I'm really betting on myself and I'm going all in. And so it's been two years of trial and error to figure out that exact question. And and there's so many different ways that you could take it. I will say that human design is kind of like the Wild West, and there's, you know, there's a handful of people who have made really successful careers out of this. But a lot of times it is the the the weekender, the the evening person are the one who can do this on the side. And so I've had to kind of explore and build it myself. Okay. And what this looks like for me currently is I have a couple of retainer clients. Okay. So these are primarily businesses who have brought me in to work with their teams and their leadership.

Kelly

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_00

And that is really um, that wasn't the path that I would have expected for myself, but that is the path that has been revealed for me.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

And I think that um I do really well in that environment, um, bringing something very unconventional into these spaces and places and making them make sense.

Kelly

You had already had the foundation with ENV, which is beautiful. So it was sort of like, well, just RD absolutely as for other corporations. And um, you've got proof in the pudding from you know, the retention and just sounding boards of the other advisors with ENV too. And you know, I'm sure the testimonials were just like rolling in. You're like, I've got all of it, I've got proof in the pudding. So what a beautiful thing to be able to come and just prov provide that on basically a silver platter to these other corporations.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, absolutely. And it's just such, you know, what I have found about businesses and and and larger teams in general is they're always looking for ways to improve culture and improve communication. And as I said earlier, this is a communication tool. And and really what I have I have discovered through all of this work is that I really am at the end of the day a facilitator. Sure. And so we get leadership in a room, whether that's a virtual or in person, and we use the charts as a guide and a framework, but the magic is really in the conversations that come out of it. And so there are people who may not even know, like they know that we've talked about their 4816 channel a few times and they still don't even know exactly what that means. But they know that they crave depth, that they need to feel skilled before they can speak at something and on something. And so if there's tension to have them speak before they feel ready, we need to talk through that. And these are the kinds of conversations that happen. And so um, that is really, you know, that's that's where all my work is really focused right now is in helping teams become and leaders specifically become better communicators because when the leadership team is aligned, yeah, that trickles down to everybody else in the organization.

Kelly

I can just see so clearly how this it can be wildly beneficial for individuals. That are in the entrepreneurial space. Absolutely. Because I think of literally as you were talking through that, Maggie, I'm like, I, my husband and I are completely different individuals. Yeah, we're both entrepreneurs, right? We are working together, husband and wife duo in the real estate space. And then I am building a podcast and I am building a community around the podcast, right? Oftentimes he's like, you gotta go, Kelly. Just go, just do it. He's a visionary. He can like pattern recognize her. He can literally just like this. And he's like, this is easy. Just go do it. Whereas I, as you were speaking about like some of the individuals that you have worked with within that corporate setting who are like, I need I need depth, but I also need to feel prepared in order to go do that, which is challenging in an entrepreneurial space, right? Because you've got to do things. You have to fail. Absolutely. I can see why getting the human design chart and having conversations with you is really important.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

unknown

Yes.

Kelly

In the entrepreneurial space. So there's gotta be like if you're not already having conversations with other individuals who are perhaps in the build phase, like they are just on the cusp of like either nibbling on the edges of entrepreneurship or they have the idea or the business plan and they're struggling because they're like, either they're paralyzed or like, I know I've got it. I just don't know how to like know how to do. Yes. Or I don't have the support around me. Yes. And to be able to feel seen and heard 100%. I think is really important. You already know this, right?

SPEAKER_00

Like I'm just so fun that you're bringing it up because I do feel like this is what happens in session is we're we're kind of like unclogging the pipes, you know? We're kind of we're we're like, or we're we're unfogging the mirror. Like we're in session, you're learning these things about yourself. And and and it doesn't matter who I'm talking to. The line that I hear over and over again is you gave me permission, or this system gave me permission. And so people walk out of session and they feel brave. They feel clear, at least on the next step. Sure. They feel capable. You know, it is it's like handing their worthiness back to them to say, you actually have this. I'm not a business coach. Don't ask me about business advice. Yeah. But I know that you already know what you need to do, but you haven't been able to really articulate it or you you you don't think you know, but as you're sitting here, you're explaining it perfectly. And so it's just witnessing somebody in that. And and that's why human design as a tool is really supportive because of the language it provides and the dot connecting it does. But then that individual takes that information and then they go out and they start to run. It's so beautiful.

Kelly

I love it. I oh my gosh, Maggie, I have so many questions, and I know that we have some limited time here. And so I think where I want to delve into a little bit more is like what has been the what is what has been the biggest challenge for you as you've been building this business and then also fostering three beautiful souls within your house. Like, what's been the biggest challenge in in harmonizing both of them at the same time?

SPEAKER_00

Oh my gosh. Such a good question. I have a few different ways I would love to answer this, but I think the first is just entrepreneurship in general, right? There are really no boundaries in when you're building and it's it is all on you. And so I would say uh systems thinking is not my strong suit. And so I've really had to learn how to implement systems automations and accountability that keep me going. Um, that's a really like tactical, practical piece, right? Okay. So that I'm not sending emails at dinner time or I'm not feeling, you know, uh stressed to the max because of my to-do list. I feel uh I want to feel empowered and like I at least know where everything is as much as you can. So that's tactical, practical. But I think the other piece is again this self-belief and worthiness. You know, that has always been a bit of my kryptonite. And I think it is the lesson that I was I was brought here to learn on my own journey is how to love myself and trust myself and believe in myself. And, you know, entrepreneurship's gonna it's gonna challenge that weakness and that little that that kryptonite in you at every single turn.

Kelly

You cannot hide from yourself, you can't, and it's a lonely journey too, which is uh part of the reason that this podcast is continuing to go, and the community that I is ever evolving and changing with the podcast itself. I'm like, I want women to understand that it is lonely and you have people, whether it's somebody who you have met, you're quoting through the podcast, or you're like, I've met them in person and they're just as fantastic as I thought that they were when they were on the podcast themselves. Like I want people to understand that it doesn't have to be a lonely journey. You're gonna have moments where you have to like look in the mirror, undoubtedly. Like you have to look in the mirror and work through those onion layers, and you can have people alongside of you as you do it too.

SPEAKER_00

100%. There is no chance I would be sitting here with you if it weren't for my girlfriends who are on a similar

Finding Friends Who Think Bigger

SPEAKER_00

entrepreneurial. Perfect. It was a perfect segue. Talk more about this. What does that look like? I mean, I have been so blessed in my life to have incredible friends and confidants and cheerleaders, but there is a small group of girlfriends who came into my life a couple of years ago. Actually, one came in by way of being a human design client about two and a half years ago. And they really changed my life because, you know, I think I was thinking in such a limited capacity about what was possible. And so if I could give you any advice, it's to be so intentional about the relationships you're fostering and seek out the women who are going or are well on their way to the places that you want to be, who sit in a room and think bigger, who are strong enough and and and loving enough individuals to hold you accountable when you're self-limiting, to call you out. And that doesn't sometimes that takes some work and intentionality to find. And you have to be brave enough to put yourself out there. Um, but that has been the single most impactful piece on my own journey over the last two years of expanding what I think is possible for myself, my life, and this work. Holy moly.

Kelly

Let's just take a pause and a deep breath there because it's so true. And as women, community is so important, right? Like who we are surrounding ourselves with is so important, even more important on the entrepreneur journey that you are finding those women to your point that you know can come along on the ride with you and have full understanding. And are not um let me just put it this way, and this has come up a couple different times on the podcast. And I will be very frank in how I say this like, ain't nobody got time for the women who are trying to pull you down. Amen. No, aim, amen. Ain't nobody got time for it, and it's like it crabs in a bucket. Have you ever heard in the bucket? Yeah, crabs in a bucket. I'm sorry if I sound so like crass or harsh about that, but for the women who are listening to what Maggie just said, this is critical. It is critical, and there's an evaluation that happens in entrepreneurship and motherhood too where you're like I don't this might not be the right season for this individual or for this group of friends, and they have served a purpose, and it doesn't mean that they don't all like they can't be there, but the time spent starts to become sparingly. Yep. Yep. Has this some has this been is this resonating with you? Oh, striking a chord, like talk to me. 100%.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I mean, I think there's you know, always a moment of reflection and evaluation as you're navigating who was in your life and who sp you spent a lot of time with. And um, and uh for me, it was like, well, who who did I think I was in those seasons and what did I feel about myself? And I think motherhood has just made me a little bit more ruthless about who and where I spend my time. And um it's made me, it's made me tolerate less, you know? And and I and I love that. And you know, and I love that I have girlfriends who will say, you know what, I love you so much. I know life is tricky right now with all three of your boys, but I think what you're saying right now is an excuse. That's like that's such an act of love. And so finding those women. But the other thing I'm gonna challenge you, if you're listening to um this, is that if you want those kind of friendships, you have to be really honest about if you're embodying that yourself. And you have to become the type of woman who is going to call in those types of friendships.

Kelly

Maggie, it is no different than an individual who is seeking partnership with a spouse, right?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, friendships are a relationship. They are a relationship. And and and if you, if you want that, to me, I think about, you know, I think about reciprocity and relationships. If if my girlfriends are gonna go through the end of the earth for me, what am I doing in exchange? How am I showing up? What kind of energy am I bringing to the room, to the table? Am I sunk and lost in my own pity and excuses in this moment? Or am I able to recognize that's happening and elevate out of it? And it doesn't mean we go don't go through really hard seasons, and I want to be really tender about that, but but what are you doing and who are you becoming? And and the more you become that version of yourself, the more you're gonna just naturally start to draw in the women who uh are in a similar place energetically. I love it. What is this? Yep. What are the Gen Z doing?

Kelly

Okay, so we can start to land the plane. I want to just keep going. I just want to keep going, but in honor of your time, we'll start to land the plane.

Self-Care Through Thought Rewiring

Kelly

You talked about self-worth, right? What did what did like self-care start to look like? And what was that transformation as you started to see um an evolution of self and like going, I am worthy, and the self-care that came along with it?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that's such a great question. And I love that you kind of tied self-care into this. And my answer is maybe a little bit unconventional. I mean, of course, meditation's a huge part of my life. Um, you know, I think about meditation and prayer is one of the same. You're still, you're, you're finding silence to tap into something greater than you. Um, that has really been so supportive. But more than that, it's for me the awareness of the ways in which I was self-sabotaging. And so I actually, um, when I'm moving through seasons of this, I'll actually wear a rubber band. And I always say I'm Pavlov dogging myself to self-love.

Kelly

I have to stop you for a second because last year for the podcast, the first ever annual podcast anniversary event, I was this close to purchasing teeny tiny cute pink rubber bands to provide the women in their gift bags for that reason.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my gosh.

Kelly

For that reason. I love it. I think I might do that for other.

SPEAKER_00

Please do. It's so genius. And that is, oh, we're on the same wavelength. I love it. Um, it's it because you don't realize how much your subconscious is running your life, yeah. Right. And and all the programming that I had around I'm not enough, I'm not worthy, this isn't good enough, uh, nobody's gonna take me seriously. I mean, my inner critic was she was insane. Do you have a name for her? Um no, I haven't named her, but I just I I like I personify her, but I haven't actually named her yet. Yeah, yeah. But she um she would really wreak havoc. And so I would use that rubber band and I would snap it every time I had a limiting thought. And I still do it. And it was um, you know, for me, it's it's catching those moments where I want to shut down or I want to throw in the towel or I feel too vulnerable or I'm out of my comfort zone. Um and and really starting to catch and rewire those thoughts. And so that's maybe a more unconventional answer, but that has been a huge piece. And then really taking in what people are saying. You know, I was I could never take a compliment. I I would, I would hear it and I would thank them, but I wouldn't integrate it. And so, you know, really starting to take that in, but then also complimenting myself, you know, and and really starting to see myself and be kinder. Um, when I looked in the mirror, when I was doing something and I didn't like the sound of my voice, all of that.

Kelly

Oh, I love this and I love you. Seriously. Oh, it's just so amazing. And it, you know what? We're packing a lot of punch in a short period of time, which I'm proud of us, Maggie. It's so good. No, we're good.

SPEAKER_00

We're doing great.

Kelly

What's a piece of advice you would give a younger version of yourself, knowing all that you've been through in a very short period of time, frankly. So hats off to you.

SPEAKER_00

Well, thank you. You're welcome. Um I think I would say something like the love and validation that you're seeking from others can only come from you. Because I think I gave myself away in every way, shape, and form to other people so that I could gain their approval so that I would be worthy. Woofdah.

Kelly

Woofdah. That one, that one, that one was good. What what's a piece of advice you'd give an early entrepreneur on their journey right now? What's a bit you know, it just broadly speaking, what's a piece of advice you would give her?

SPEAKER_00

Action breeds confidence. So you are gonna you might be terrible and you might vomit and you might you might doubt yourself the whole way through it, but the the only way that I have built any confidence in this business is by just taking action. I know it sounds so simple, and it's probably advice that's out there all the time, but also I think the other piece of this is the inner dialogue. Until you address what's going on between your ears and you actually start seeing it for what it is, it will continue to run the show.

Kelly

I love I love how you phrased it though, Maggie. Action breeds confidence. And I circled it. Action breeds confidence because that is one of the ways to get rid of that inner critic. Yeah. One of them. Yes, one of them. Okay, a few more questions.

Advice And Rapid Fire Favorites

Kelly

My husband and I are in real estate, as you know, and something that I have observed, whether it is somebody or a couple that is um looking at houses, or even as we're going into living rooms for sellers preparing to put their house on the market, there's always a favorite room in the house. What's the favorite room in your house?

SPEAKER_00

The favorite room in my house is it's our dining room, but it's more like a sunroom. It is um, we live in an old 1950s Rambler, and this dining room is covered in windows. So it's three walls of straight windows, we're facing south. It's got wood paneling. I'm like a I'm like a wood paneling kind of mid-century modern girly. We've got a big uh fiddly fig in there. Um, and it's always a mess because the boys are always crafting in there, and it just feels like a perfect, a perfect depiction of what our life is like right now. It's sunny and bright and beautiful, but it's a complete mess. But it's where everyone gathers.

Kelly

Oh, I love it. Okay, and is there a particular podcast or book or TV show that's resonating with you right now?

SPEAKER_00

Well, I you you're catching me in the middle. I I do love to read fiction and fantasy. You're catching me in the middle of the Throne of Glass series, and I'm absolutely obsessed. So that part I love and totally unconventional, but um, but books that I'm loving right now, um, I'm reading a book by Michael Easter right now called The Comfort Crisis.

Kelly

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

And I love this book, and it's just all about how we've become the most comfortable generation, but we're the most miserable. We've lost our sense of grit and resilience. Um, we don't do anything, we don't do things now that really intentionally push us out of our comfort zone. Um, and it's really, it's really challenged me in ways that I've been I've been comfortable. Yeah.

Kelly

So much truth to that. I wonder when did this book come out? Do you I think it's relatively recent. Uh yeah, I would think so. So it's a great book. Maggie, oh again, we've packed a lot of punch in a very short period of time. And I'm so grateful for you and that we're here and that we were able to meet each other in person as well. I know that there are women who are listening right now that this resonates with, and you have dropped really fantastic gold nuggets of information. Just diamonds, little diamonds all over the place. That is Maggie. She's like a little diamond. Oh my god. I love it.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you so well. I want to acknowledge you because you are, yes, you are an incredible interviewer. Thank you. So fun to see you behind the mic. Yeah. And I know you've been at it now for a hundred plus episodes, but um, I hope that you know that it's it is a very specific skill to sit with someone and to be able to extract story and to do it in a way that's engaging, and you do that really well.

Kelly

I'm here for it. I'm accepting this. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. It is there's something about just the comfort level. Like I've created the space and I want it uh initially, it was like I want my guests to feel comfortable, but I didn't realize how much that was allowing me to to like bring this wall down as well. So thank you, Maggie.

How To Connect And Closing

Kelly

My last question is how can women get connected to you?

SPEAKER_00

Oh my goodness. Great. Well, you can go to my website, which is MaggieHillpish.com. Um, I'm active on Instagram. That's kind of my my social media medium of choice. You can always send me a DM.

Kelly

I love it. It's simple, yeah, it's to the point. Yeah, and you're not you're not getting into all of the throes of TikTok and uh, you know, LinkedIn is a whole other I know.

SPEAKER_00

Oh Lord, LinkedIn will be my next LinkedIn will be my next, my next uh mountain to climb. But uh you know what? If you are on all the platforms, you are my hero. I don't know how you do it.

Kelly

Amen to that because it's I'm like Instagram ties to Facebook, it's super simple. I'll just post to Instagram, it'll push over to Facebook. That's great, and then I can just really quick like share that to LinkedIn. Easy, simple, fantastic. So, Maggie, what an honor. So fun having you on here, and um, I hope you have a great rest of the day. Oh my gosh, thank you so much. Thanks for listening. And if you enjoyed this episode and know of any inspiring mamas who are powerhouse entrepreneurs, please help connect them with myself and the show. It would mean so much if you would help spread this message, mission, and vision for other Montpreneurs. It takes 30 seconds to rate and review, then share this episode with your friends. Until the next episode, cheers to reclaiming your hue.

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