David Paul Brooks: From Church to Charts

David Paul Brooks, known as DPB, takes us through his journey from gospel singer to Billboard-charting gospel rap artist, sharing how he seamlessly blends powerful hip-hop rhythms with uplifting Christian messages.

• Born into a musical family where his mother opened for Elvis Presley and James Brown before dedicating her life to gospel
• Grew up in New York during the birth of hip-hop, balancing church life with an emerging passion for rap
• Joined Grammy and Dove-nominated group Disciples of Christ (DOC) for nearly 10 years, developing his songwriting skills
• Transitioned to a successful solo career with Billboard charting hits despite limited resources
• Created "the world of DPB" encompassing music, books, clothing, animation, and motivational speaking
• Maintains a foundation of faith that informs his music and message about overcoming life's challenges
• Practices and teaches practical applications of biblical principles for mental health and positive living
• Released a bestselling book "No Bad Days" offering solutions for depression, ADHD, and PTSD
• Aims to conduct a worldwide hope tour with the goal of positively impacting 50 million lives
• Believes in addressing problems with solutions rather than just highlighting the negative

Check out DPB's music including "American Strong," "Undefeated," "I Feel So Good Today," and "Let It Go" at worldofdpb.com and on all social media platforms under "World of DPB."

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:14

My career in the entertainment industry has enabled me to work with a diverse range of talent. Through my years of experience, I've recognized two essential aspects. Industry professionals, whether famous stars or behind-the-scenes staff, have fascinating stories to tell. Secondly, audiences are eager to listen to these stories, which offer a glimpse into their lives and the evolution of their life stories. This podcast aims to share these narratives, providing information on how they evolved into their chosen career. We will delve into their journey to stardom, discuss their struggles and successes, and hear from people who help them achieve their goals. Get ready for intriguing behind-the-scenes stories and insights into the fascinating world of entertainment. Hi, I'm Tony Mantor. Welcome to Almost Live Nashville. Joining us today is David Paul Brooks, widely known as DPB. He's a trail-blazing force in gospel wrath, seamlessly blending powerful hip-hop rhythms with uplifting Christian messages. As a Billboard charting artist, former member of the Grammy and Dub nominated group DOC Disciples of Christ, and a dynamic performer who shared stages with legends like Bootsy Collins, Kirk Franklin, and so many others, which enabled him to carve a unique space in the music industry. He's a songwriter, actor, clothing designer, motivational speaker, and mentor dedicated to empowering youth through his music and ministry. With chart-topping hits like Undefeated 3.0 and Brighter Day, DPBs, Electrifying Performances, and Commitment to Positive Change continue to inspire audiences worldwide. We're thrilled to welcome him as he joins us to share his incredible journey with us. So before we dive into our episode, we'll be right back with an uninterrupted show right after a word from our sponsors. Thanks for coming on.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Well, for sure. Thank you for having me on.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Oh, it's my pleasure. So if you would give us a little information on what you do.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Well, it's funny because I'm in New York. I was up there giving people a history on my TikTok channel about my life, about how my mom was a rock and roll singer. Um, she opened up for Elvis Presley, um, James Brown. But she's old school, mom's Mabel. Some of these people pygmy Martin. I don't even know half of the people she talked about. But she opened up like that. And so music has been in the history of my family forever. And when she actually gave it up to follow God, and then we end up being gospel singers. So we're actually legends here in Rockland County, New York, as the books family singers. So I've been doing gospel music forever.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Yeah, that's awesome. You also opened up for a lot of well-known people, too.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

Even having that gospel background, I end up leaving God for a moment and end up opening for a lot of legends today, like salt and pepper, Kumo D. I mean, it goes down the line. Got bootsy collars on some of my stuff, different people like that. So, and now I'm back doing gospel. Been doing gospel for 35 plus now, though. Um, so that's kind of my background on music.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

So you started out on gospel. Was that more traditional style?

SPEAKER_00 3:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

So starting out on gospel, when did you make the transition to hip-hop and rap to incorporate that into your style?

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Well, I was probably kind of living both lives. Because like New York is the home of hip hop. So everybody wanted to be a rapper when it first started. Now, this is even before Run DMC. It's like, oh, you know, this rap thing, and then breaking, and everybody started breaking, pop locking, and all this type of stuff like that. So even though I was brought up in church, being in high school and stuff like that, that's what everybody did. So I wanted to do that. And I always follow my brother's footsteps because he was the only father figure I had. So he rapped. I wanted to rap. He played basketball, I played basketball. Everything he wanted to do, I ended up doing so. Rapping was part of it. My mom just didn't know I was doing rapping on the other side, or rap gospel wasn't even invented yet at that moment. So it was just doing it because it was just part of I am going to church on Sunday, then I'll go somewhere with my brother and do some rapping, open it up for salt and pepper and those that like that type of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

Good. Yeah, that's great. With the rap being on the side, did you ever find yourself being pulled away from gospel, or did you always stay with that style of music?

SPEAKER_00 4:41

I always stayed in it. I love music so much. My mom was my superhero. So I knew God was the most important thing to stick with, no matter what. Like, so no matter what I did, stick with God. No matter. So I always did. Even doing that, I never said nothing wrong to you about nobody, never did none of that type of stuff. It was always something trying to bring them into a positive life or give a positive life to him.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

Yeah, that's great. Now, we always show recording. Was you recording in New York? Or did you find yourself traveling and recording in different places?

SPEAKER_00 5:13

Nah actually, um, my brother-in-law bought an M1 keyboard, and I had a four-track. So once I learned how to do some tracks and other voices in the four-tracks, everything came out of my home in New York. And then, of course, as you grow, there'll be producers, there'll be different things. And then, you know, there was a guy who I remember his name was Lorenzo. He was the first music studio I went to that was professional. And he loved everything I did so much, he wanted to make an album with me. And it was actually for free because he said I was the first one to ever, oh, it's it's like $40 an hour, you know, and it's like I only got enough for two hours. So he was doing the music and I stopped him. He's like, What are you stopping for? Because I only have enough for two hours. He said, You're the first person that ever came into my studio and stopped me. Others would just let me go and just tell me they had enough for her, you know. And at that moment, he helped me make an album that never came out. But he was involved in that, and it's funny to listen to it today. But it started growing after that. Started meeting more professional musicians, it was more musical back then. It was samples and everything.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

As you evolved, as you learned, how did you see yourself changing and evolving at the same time?

SPEAKER_00 6:30

That's good. Um, that's how I can be more of an inspiration and better. I got to a point where I believe kids can only be what they see. Kid can only be what they see. So I'm like, how can they be something? Everybody see all these rappers doing this and figure out they have to do it this way. Why can't I show up the right way to do it without the drugs, without all the other things? So it evolved in that way. What is lacked? I tried to bring what is lacked and produce something based off the lack that I feel like that it is. So if everybody's talking negative, why not I be the one talking positive? Give them a solution of how this will work. Because everybody, everybody's gonna go through problems in life. But why do we always glorify the problem? Yeah, absolutely. I remember, I remember a kid coming up to me and said, You get shot? I'm like, No, I don't want to get shot. I don't want to listen to you. See, I'm like, well, I don't really want you to listen to me. If you want me to be shot, so I think that's what helped me evolve to let me know, all right, I gotta be an example. If they don't see an example, like I call this bling for the kid. I know people like bling, so I'm like, all right, if I have that, first I will get a certain type of respect, just like sneakers. If I have a certain type of sneaker on, it gets a certain type of respect. So now they'll listen. So I just gotta make sure whatever they're listening to, it's gotta be good. For them to say, yeah, he's been there. He he he knows what's going on. And so now you start to evolve that way. You start to learn people and you start to evolve based off the people.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Yeah, that's just such a great way to look at it. When you try to do things positive, you try to do things the right way. You will always have those that will try to tug you down and take you the wrong way. How did you stay away from that? Work on the positive things with the people and those that followed you so that way you could be that inspiration to them.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

How I was doing it. See, it's so I could just rap, but I think if if you express something a certain way, more people will listen than criticize. You know what I'm saying? So I think some people, like I'm more of the loving type. People know, like, oh, he cares for real. Like, this ain't just like a joke, it ain't a gimmick for him. So I think it's how the presentation is. I didn't have that much. Like, if you know, it's funny. I have more people come against me in the church than I did that not in the church. Yeah, that's sad. You know what I'm saying? Like, you rapping in church? That ain't supposed to be. That ain't of God. I had one pastor say, if God could use the jackass, he could use them. So it was more those type of things than it was anybody. Actually, it was somebody secular who was really big. I call secular in gospel. Secular who was really big that said, man, you should do the gospel stuff. Because nobody ain't doing that. It was more, you know, people who didn't who did not go to church that were telling me that's what the hood needs. That's what we need. So I didn't get the same thing that the average person got because of how I would do it. Then my life being what I'm talking about, not just saying something because it's cool to say. So people were watching me more so. So they like, oh, that's real to him. So if it sends it out of his mind, I'm less real to him.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

That's just such a great way to look at it. I really like that. It wasn't too long after that that you got together with a group of guys and formed a band that became quite well known.

SPEAKER_00 9:43

Yeah. Disciples of Christ, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

Yeah, and they went on to do some pretty big things.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

Very big things. And um, Gram being Grimy nominated, being Dove nominated, being in that group, learned to write hooks better, learned how to be more radio friendly. Like there's a way, radio friendly way to write a song.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

That's very true.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

A lot of people don't know those. So, like being in a group like that singers and rappers, learned about hooks, and I learned about bridges. And a lot of rap songs, they don't have bridges. So if I did a bridge in my music now, and which I do, and a lot of my songs are like you can tell this boy is musically talented. They can't even put me in a rap category. Like a lot of my songs now today, top 40, adult contemporary, right now, even country. Yeah, that's great. You know what I'm saying? How many rappers can get on the country charts? And and the rapper write the song. So it's like I learned to be like a Michael Jackson as a rapper. You know what I'm saying? So that's how I I try to go about it. A lot of people don't know how to do that.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

So, how long was you in that group? We're talking about eight or nine years, almost 10 years. Wow, that's a really good long time to be in it.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

We're considered pioneers in the Christian hip-hop arena.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

Yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

So, like Grandmaster Flash, DLC, you know what I'm saying? That type of thing. So that'll it'll be like that type.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

Yeah, that's a great band.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

DLC Disciples of Christ.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

Yeah, if the listeners don't know, they need to check them out for sure. So when that came to an end, and then you became a solo artist once again. Now you just mentioned being part of that band helped you become a better songwriter. And in those 10 years, you grew in many different ways musically. So you started out as a solo artist, then you became part of a very successful group for 10 years, then you transitioned back to a solo artist again. What were some of the differences that you noticed right away?

SPEAKER_00 11:40

It was hard because you used to people with you. Like I didn't want to be by myself. Like, this don't it don't feel right being by myself trying to hold it down, you know? So what I learned to do is I got family members and up getting dancers. So I can always have somebody up on stage. All right, somebody gotta be up on stage with me, at least. So I got dancers, I got my nephew. I just learned how to keep that writing and be who I was as a writer, and I stuck with that. All my songs were just, they were very diverse. Like you could not figure me out because if I'm doing a rock song, I'm doing, I'm going authentically rock. We're gonna go rock all the way. If I'm gonna do country, let's go country. Now, even though my song America Strong is like pop country, I can go country with it if I wanted to, all the way. You just learned I gotta find my identity. So, like one of my first songs being a solarist was re-identity. And the chorus was like, we'll change the industry using who? DPB. Let's make him just like me, R-E-Identity. So it was almost like God was molded and making me now. I'm I'm shaping up. We're gonna, and re-identity is what the song was called. And it's one of the coolest songs I felt like I ever had because I was in the song, I'm like showing you how I'm being built. Just like if I was Frankenstein. You know what I'm saying? At least in my mind, that's the way the video went based off the song. But it's just learning that transition was a really hard transition because you're used to three and four people being up on a stage to you by yourself. And then now you have to know how to handle a stage by yourself.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

Yeah, yeah, and that's a craft. You have to learn that craft.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

For sure. What label was you on during the band years? Star Soul. Star Soul Records, yeah. When you went solo, did you go with a record label or did you go independent?

SPEAKER_00 13:22

No, actually, um, we are we went independent. Since then, I've been independent. I did have an um independent label that signed me at later on called Donogene Records and seen some success there, but it was crazy. I'm seeing more success now than I've ever been. So it's kind of cool to see it now.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

With the band, you had Grammys and Dove Awards and all kinds of different accolades going. When you went solo, how did that work out for you? Did you pick up where you left off?

SPEAKER_00 13:48

Well, nah, because nobody don't know who you are. Like in today's age, it's all about numbers.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 13:53

So they don't people don't care if you've been Grammy nominated back then. They want to know what are you doing right now? What is the numbers now? How many bookings do you get right now? So it's like dag, okay. So for me, I got out of it and I created this thing called the world of DPB. Okay, that's cool. I'm gonna create my own world. I ain't worrying about that no more. So I created my own world. And in that world, I'm in fans that are faithful and dedicated to it. From that, just like for me, I say listening to the voice of God on when to do stuff. And me listening to the voice of God, unlike how other people probably have done stuff. Like I paid $200 for a radio promoter, and next thing you know, one of my songs is number 15 on the billboard charts.

SPEAKER_01 14:37

Wow, that's great.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

You know what I'm saying? It's like I'm sneaking in without having no backing of anything. So it's like I ain't paying, I mean, this guy just like, man, he don't even know how it got up on air. So it showed me, okay, my songs are really good.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

I needed some backing to help it get to the place where it needs to go. So I got a my manager that's sitting right here, Brent Beck. Um, he ended up putting stuff behind me. And next thing you know, all my songs are wow, we're reaching number one. Top 40, undefeated reached number one. It was played 22,000 times in the Ukraine, broke a Spotify history. I'm like, okay. Next thing you know, the next five songs I'm bringing out, keep on going number one. And you know, people ain't hearing about it. That I that doesn't mean people know who I am, but they're being number one on these, I think it's called national radio hits.com. You can see my song right now. I'm number three on three charts on here. Actually, or four charts, I think. Crazy. Country, top 40, Christian, and adult contemporary. So you see me on all these charts. A lot of people don't know about it. Then I won a Josie Award. I don't even think people know what a Josie. Somebody asked me, what is it? Josie Award. It's the Grammy of Independent Music. It's the largest independent music, and I won one of those out of 75,000 people. I'm off 75,000 submissions, and I won one of those.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Yeah, that's great. I mean, everybody's getting to know here in Nashville what the Josie Awards are. So that's a good thing for you.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

So it's funny. I get to a certain point. I don't even know how to convert with it because it's in my own world. It's like I got this own world and I'm achieving all these things. Me and my manager, because you know, my manager just he just loved me. So it's almost like, bro, let's just do whatever you say, do it. I'm just doing he's doing it, and we're just achieving all these things and don't even know how to make it work. That's kind of funny because you this is what you want to do as a solo artist. And I'm like, okay, now we got to figure out we need a booker. Do we know anybody to book? And then somebody says, 'cause like I kind of took some time off from traveling to see what my music would do. So we can go to these awards and go to these films, like we go to film festivals and all this type of stuff. Because we got movies, we got many movies from our music, animations, and all those different things of that nature. So we're trying to do different things. We got a clothing line, shoe line, just different things. And we're so trying to, and not knowing, like, we ain't gonna be able to find a booker. We don't have 80 engagements now, you know, or something like that. Like, if I have 80 engagements all at one time, I ain't gonna need no booker. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 17:06

Yeah, I get that. Now, you've written a book too, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:09

I have two books out now, right now. I have a book called No Bad Days because I haven't had a bad day in 15 years. So I'm teaching folks why they shouldn't have a bad day. The next one is DPB is living a life undefeated. It has a mini-movie, probably the first of its kind, 196-page colored book that shows you my life of 30 plus years of being what it is. And I gave quotes on what I live by. And then people wrote in quotes from what when they hear DPB, what do they see? What have they experienced? So I got about 50, 60 quotes of just random people that I knew in my lifetime. And when they think of DPB, it's kind of a cool book. One of us comes, I don't even know how to sell it because it's so different. It's a $50 book, you know what I'm saying? So, but it's kind of cool just to branch out and I'm watching it unfold in front of me. You know, I'm like, wow, we got a lot of stuff going on. Now we just need to know how to make it all work together, but it's my world. So it's like we probably have to branch out out of our world to create, you know, to create whatever else we need to create, but it's been working.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

Yeah, as long as it's working, that's all that matters. So where can they get the books?

SPEAKER_00 18:15

Now, the Amazon, what Amazon is the no bad days book. Best seller right now, Amazon. This one is you have to order it from me. We haven't put it up yet. Right now, a lot of family members, a lot of people when we go into places, oh, you got this book and I have it. It's a great desk book. Like when somebody comes in your house and it's just sitting there and it's just like, let me see. Wow, this is kind of cool. And it was cool even right here when we're here in New York visiting my brother. He's seen it's like, man, whoever laid it out really laid it out well. And it's cool to hear that type of thing.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

Yeah, it's always great to have a good review. So give everyone your website address so they can check it out and hopefully they'll buy it from you.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

Okay, uh, world of DPB. So everything www.world of dpb.com, all social media, world of dpb. If you forget the dpb, always remember me like this David Eanabutter. You'll never forget it. World of DPB, all one word though. World of DPB. So everywhere you can get to me from based off world of DPB.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Yeah, that's great. Hopefully they'll check it out. Where do you see yourself in say three to five years? What's your goals? What's your plans for the future?

SPEAKER_00 19:21

I want to do a worldwide tour.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

Okay, that's great.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

But it'll be like a hope type of tour, every your undefeated type of tour to where you made it through some stuff. Don't stop now, keep on going. You know what I'm saying? Just like releasing American Strong. Come on, y'all. We we live in the greatest country of anybody, and we still can't get it together here. Politics shouldn't be the reason why we don't love each other. You know, somewhere along the line, we all bleed red. If somebody gets shot, it's gonna be that same color blood. You know, so we just need to learn to come together. We need to give each other hugs more. We need to, you know, that type of stuff. So I try to bring the solution to a problem. Instead of anybody talking about the problem, somebody gotta have the solution to the problem. So I try to bring those things for bullying to peer pressure. So we have animation based off those things. We do a lot of animation now, too. So it's like it's having all these different things. The world of DPB.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Yeah, that's a great way to look at things. So tell us a little bit more about yourself. I mean, you just gave us a little insight there, but let's go on a little bit deeper dive in what people can expect from what you're trying to do and what you actually are doing.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

So in my world, what I do is like I'm a God man. I love God with all my heart. And I feel like what keeps me going and what I've learned it keeps a lot of people going is God. I mean, I'm being honest with you. Like, I think that's the foundation. When you don't have nothing to go to, if every person done turns their back on you, I know God won't. See, that's like having a foundation like that is what keeps me going. So, what keeps this whole thing functioning, the world of DPP, DPP music, all these different things is God. I want God to be the coolest thing because people try to discredit God. There ain't no God. There's like all that. So my thing is like, all right, this is the reason why people are getting depressed. Like if you read my book, I feel like I got the whole thing for depression, like the solution for depression based off the Bible, based off. I got the solution for ADHD based off the Bible. I got the solution based off PTSD. So it's all there. So the whole thing is giving everybody everything they need to have a no bad day for the rest of their lives. So we're believing for 50 million souls saved, based off God. So that's that's the goal. Now you got all the social media. We just got to get it out and just let it do what it does to show folks, oh, somebody does care. Somebody really sees my problem and know how to get through it, you know?

SPEAKER_01 21:53

Yeah, that's a great way of looking at it and a great way to help people as well.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

I feel like I just all those things are solved based off the Bible. Even if people don't like it or not, there's good foundational truths that still somebody can live an incredible life based off those foundational truths. You know? So I got a TikTok show that I do every morning. A lot of people come to that, and that's crazy because I'm showing how they should wake up every day. Don't let how you feel determine what your day is going to be because you can feel out you don't want to talk to nobody, right? Just because you feel that way doesn't mean that's where your day is supposed to be, or you're mad at the world and don't even nobody even did nothing to you. So I'm showing them how to get up, like having a solution to everyday problems. And then I'll teach Bible stuff for folks to um to walk it out. People wonder, like like when people hang with me, like, oh, stuff don't really don't bother you. Yeah, because it's why should it? It's how I perceive something is how it's going to be. So if I perceive somebody is getting on me, I'm gonna get offended. So I just look at it and just believe the best of every process. It's like I just teach folks. So the whole goal is to know about me is to show folks this is what it is to live a life of no bad days.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Yeah, yeah. By you doing all this, do you get a lot of people that reach out to you either to pat you on the back or to try and have you help them with some of their issues?

SPEAKER_00 23:15

My manager could tell you people will call me all throughout the night. But I'll take the time with everybody because a lot of people don't know how to walk through stuff. I mean, people go to counseling. I noticed that it just makes them feel good for a second. But the counsel ain't giving them a solution to how to get through it. So I believe I got some cool techniques on how to. I mean, if you went into my mind, you would think I was a crazy fool. If I went in your mind, you would think, yeah, that man crazy, right? So nobody's exempt from the mind going nuts. If everybody can understand that, who's watching? Nobody's exempt from your mind going nuts. But then God got one thing in there that's amazing that I think it's not easy because you have to work on it, and that is take every thought captive. Now, God knew your mind was going to go crazy, but he's trying to tell you it's my job to transform my mind because I got years and years of life stuff. Good, bad, crazy, abuse, whatever it's there. And I master those things, how much I like them, hate them, or love them. And God tell you to take every thought captive. So I have to figure out how do I do that? Because sometimes I might go crazy and overwhelm me. So those little things and techniques I ain't trying to go off mark, but you know.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

That's okay. I mean, it's really good that you're trying to help people because that's really what this world needs is more people reaching out and helping others.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

For sure. That's my whole goal.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

Because anyone that's doing it for instant gratification, well, they're doing it for the wrong reason.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

The beauty of helping others is you help them. Then down the road, you never know when you might be the one that needs the help, and someone's there to give you a helping hand. That's the way it works. For sure.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

And I see it happen. So I I just want to show everybody is it can happen. Exactly. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 25:05

And so well, this has really been good. Is there anything that we haven't touched on that you'd like to talk about?

SPEAKER_00 25:11

Let me see. Let me see. Let me see. Let me see. Nah, I mean, just go out there and listen to American Strong. It's a great song. If you feel like you're being defeated, go listen to Undefeated. If you want to have one of the greatest wake-up songs in the world, I feel so good today, you know. And I've got a song called, If you hold a lot of things in, a lot of people are bound in their lives because it's hard for them to forgive. There's a song called Let It Go. It's good to let things go. And when you let it go, now you can fly and your life can finally shine instead of you living a place of depression because of something that might have happened to you 30 years ago and you can't get along. So I try to use songs to really help people. Like, this is the reason why I don't have bad days. Because I let it go. One more thing. I went forward and called everybody that ever did me wrong. Because God, I feel like God wanted me to do this. And He wanted me to call them and say I was sorry. And I couldn't understand it. So I'm calling all these people that I felt in my life. I found about 15 people in my life that I just ignored. And when I called them and said, I'm sorry, a weight lifted off me. Now when I talk about them, I ain't got to worry about all the stuff they did wrong because I let them go. I really let them go. And we cool now. So what cool is being free, but you're not free. You know what I'm saying? Like, so God was really trying to free me up. Just because you avoid something doesn't mean you're free from it. So what he was trying to do was really free me from the stuff that was holding me back.

SPEAKER_01 26:37

Yeah. Yeah, that's great. I think you've got a really great attitude. I really think you've got a great thing going. This has been really good. Good conversation, good information. I really appreciate you taking the time to join us today.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

For sure, man. Thank you for letting me be on. I appreciate you, man. For real.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Absolutely. It's been my pleasure. Thanks again. Thanks for joining us today. We hope you enjoyed the show. This has been a Tony Mantor Production. For more information, contact media at plateau music.com.