Phil Vassar Opens Up on Heart, Music, and Resilience

Country music star Phil Vassar shares his remarkable journey of survival and rebirth after experiencing a near-fatal heart attack that stopped his heart for nearly 30 minutes. We explore his profound two-year recovery process and how this life-altering experience transformed his approach to music, creativity, and the entertainment industry.

• Phil had to relearn basic functions including walking and playing piano after his "sudden death" episode
• Despite being physically fit with healthy eating habits, Phil's heart attack was attributed to genetic factors
• The recovery process included months at Shepherd Center in Atlanta followed by continued rehabilitation at home
• Phil now feels more calm, focused, and confident in his musical choices after facing mortality
• The health crisis shifted Phil's perspective from pleasing industry gatekeepers to creating authentic music he loves
• Phil's illustrious career includes writing hits for Tim McGraw, Alan Jackson and meeting legends like Elton John
• Nashville's Music Row has changed dramatically with iconic studios being replaced by condominiums
• Phil is building a recording studio in his barn to create music on his own terms
• The conversation touches on memorable encounters with Glen Campbell, BJ Thomas, and performances at the White House
• Phil expresses gratitude for his second chance at life and the opportunity to reflect on his 35+ year career

I'm doing fewer shows this year - only about 30-40 - which has given me time to reflect on everything that's happened. I really believe everything happens for a reason, and I'm definitely thankful to be here

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:14

My career in the entertainment industry has enabled me to work with a diverse range of talent. Through my years of experience, I've recognized two essential aspects. Industry professionals, whether famous stars or behind-the-scenes staff, have fascinating stories to tell. Secondly, audiences are eager to listen to these stories, which offer a glimpse into their lives and the evolution of their life stories. This podcast aims to share these narratives, providing information on how they evolved into their chosen career. We will delve into their journey to stardom, discuss their struggles and successes, and hear from people who help them achieve their goals. Get ready for intriguing behind-the-scenes stories and insights into the fascinating world of entertainment. Hi, I'm Tony Mantor. Welcome to Almost Live Nashville. Phil Vassar, the celebrated country music singer, songwriter, and pianist, joins me today for a heartfelt conversation. Known for his hits like Just Another Day in Paradise and Carleen, as well as penning chart toppers for artists like Tim McGraw, Phil's soulful melodies and relatable storytelling have left a lasting mark on Nashville. We'll dive into his remarkable journey, including two years of profound readjustment following a near-fatal heart attack, exploring life, music, and stories that will give a discussion I think you'll truly enjoy. It's a conversation that I thoroughly enjoyed having, and it's a pleasure to have him here. So before we dive into our episode, we'll be right back with an uninterrupted show right after a word from our sponsors. Thanks for coming on.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Absolutely. Thanks for having me.

unknown 2:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Oh, it's my pleasure. So I understand that this year is the 25th anniversary for one of your songs.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

Yeah, well it's the 25th anniversary of my first record. You know, and I was having I was having hits for years before that. So it's kind of crazy, isn't it? Think about.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

To coin a praise, you go from singer-songwriter to actually singer-songwriter. Only this time on a label as an artist.

unknown 2:25

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

Before we dig too deep into your artistry as a singer-songwriter, I understand you had a life-altering scare here a couple of years ago. I've heard because of what happened to you, you're a huge advocate now for heart health. Can you expand on a little bit of what you went through?

SPEAKER_01 2:46

I had a um, you know, I had a, what's it called, sudden death, I think is what it was. My heart just stopped beating, and so I I didn't have a heartbeat for um for a long time, for 20, 30, 30 minutes or so, first time, and then they got me going. And you know, and I I I'm a healthy person. I worked out every day, and I never ate fried food or anything like that. I mean, I'm just telling you, it was just uh, you know, genetic is what they said, you know.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

And so I heard that you said you died twice on the table. So how are you feeling now?

SPEAKER_01 3:14

I feel great now. I feel wonderful. Singing better and all that stuff. I was really, really uh I was struggling just to live, you know.

SPEAKER_00 3:22

Yeah, and I'm so glad that you're doing well now. Quick question though. You didn't have the heartbeat and you said that you had died twice. Did you have any out-of-body experience like some have?

SPEAKER_01 3:33

You know, I've been asked that a lot, and I I don't remember anything. Uh so it's I have nothing. I didn't talk to Jimi Hendrix or anybody, or you know, which would be cool. You know, I I just uh I just was really, really struggling. You know, I was about having a hard time breathing, having a hard time, you know, in general. I was uh always had this puffer. I'm just like, I can't breathe, I can't breathe. I was tired all the time and uh struggling, you know. So it was just so severe that it took me having a heart attack, dying to really fix everything. You know, they cleaned up everything and my my doctor was great. I mean, I went to Vanderbilt, of course, and we're lucky to have great hospitals in Nashville.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

We are. We have great doctors, great hospitals. So we're very, very fortunate.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

Oh, you're not kidding. So it was great. I mean, I mean, it wasn't great for a while, but I I was at Shepherd Center for a while in Atlanta, five or so, five, six months or whatever, and then came back home.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

I heard after you got through all that, you had to learn how to walk again, play piano again, and get back into the regular things.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

Well, it was just yeah, I didn't do anything really. When I came to, I was in in a wheelchair, of course, and they were kind of explaining to me what happened. And uh I was going, what? You know, what happened? I said, How did I have a heart attack? I said, you know, I worked out and I did all this stuff, and my doctor's like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Bad genetics. And uh he said you were in you know, probably good enough shape just to survive the the onslaught. I don't know, but I feel I feel different now. I feel very calm, you know. I was uh I was very stressed, and I don't know if it was it was just physical, I think, mostly.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

Well, we are talking about the music business.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

And there's that.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

Yeah, that's for sure. So how did you handle it mentally? I mean, you had to rebuild, you had to re-learn things. How did that whole process work and what kind of a journey was it for you?

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Yeah, it was it was it was interesting. And I and I think I didn't really I didn't try to rush back or anything, you know. I I just I'm I really missed playing music, you know, I really did. So I was kind of excited just to the same year at the end of the year, I got to play some shows, play a few shows, and just to be able to just I don't know, you just need that feeling that you get when you play music and with your friends. And I feel great now. I feel better. And you know, every day I'm just kind of feeling better.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

That's just so good to hear that you're doing that well. Now, after you got back to working, performing, how did that change or did it change anything in the way that you performed?

SPEAKER_01 6:07

Well, I think, you know, on stage I think I'm pretty much the same. I I don't do flips or back flips off the piano or any of that anymore. But I mean, I still run around and I think I was so so ganked up, I didn't know. I didn't I was kind of jumping around, jumping off pianos and doing flips. And so it's maybe it's better now that I'm a little bit calmer.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

How's your emotions now? Because when you went through all that, you almost lost everything. Now you've gained a new lease on life, so to speak. Yes. Your attitude and the perspective and the perception of what you thought must have changed some.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

I th I think so. I mean, I do. I think, you know, when you're you went when you're in the heat of the fight, you know, you're I was writing every day, you know, back in the 90s or whatever. I had couldn't get anybody to like what I did. I had to kind of take control of what I was doing. I had to take control of uh, I mean, I I opened my own club, I opened a restaurant, I did that stuff. I so I'd have a place to play and I didn't have to deal with sleazy club owners, you know.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

Yeah, we've all dealt with those for sure.

SPEAKER_01 7:12

You know, I learned a lot. And uh I learned a lot about my songs and my music. I mean, whenever I would write a song, I'd play it that night, you know, I'd say I got a new song, you know, and and test it out. And you'd you'd finish and they'd show their approval, you know, they liked it a lot. I mean, I would play my next 30 years or I'm all right or Bob. All these songs are and I liked them, but you know, of course, you know, the music, I learned a lot about the music business too during that phase, too. I was just like, man, these guys are most of them are just boneheads. They're not very smart. They don't know a hit from a friggin', you know, hole in the ground. They don't know. That was one thing I just kind of said, look, if if I like it, and if my fans like what I do and they like the song, then it's okay, you know? And if I if I feel passionate about a song, it's probably pretty good. I learned to not worry about what everybody else thought anymore. It just made me give me confidence like I'd never had before.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

That's just so good. You know, that's a huge step here in Nashville. Everybody's out to please someone. The label, the AR people, the managers, and everyone else. And what it really comes down to, you just have to please yourself. Right. When you hit that comfort level, all the noise goes away and you can start really doing good work.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

That's the truth. That really is the truth, and I think that's a good way to put it because I think you know, you do you have all these people in your ear, and they I'm telling you, they they think they know, but they don't know. Nobody knows, you know, really.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

Yeah, and they're always pushing for that next big hit because without it, they don't make any money.

SPEAKER_01 8:44

Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:44

A lot of them could care less about you because they do care if you live or die, but other than that, they don't care because that's the only way they make their money.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of selfish people. I mean, I I know there's a bunch of great people in our business. There there really are.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

Oh, yeah, I know a lot of good people here.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

But I wouldn't say there's they're the majority.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

I tell a lot of people that are not here from Nashville, but some that are here in Nashville, there's a reason why they call it the music business.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

You have to jump through all these hoops and books and books of papers before you even can get on the stage to do what you do.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Yeah, it really is. And something I learned was was I just I I do love my job. I love to play and I love to write songs. I do, I like that. And the business part, somebody telling me this, or you need to do this, or do that. And especially some of the stuff, because now it's about social media and TikTok or this or that. I'm just going, you know, it just seems like it's it's a different time, you know. I mean, I know you have to adjust and grow. I mean, that's a good thing to do, but but I'm not gonna get out there and you know dress up like a frog or something just to just to you know make somebody happy. It's just that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

So it appears like you found yourself in a good comfort zone and you found yourself more at ease. Yeah. By finding that, did you find yourself looking at everything a little bit differently than you had before?

SPEAKER_01 10:14

Absolutely. Absolutely. And it's funny too, because you know, I've been on the road for so long, for decades, right? Now, 25 years of my first record, you know, I was having hits number one songs that I wrote 10 years before that. So, I mean, I do like to pull out the songs I wrote. I did Right Of the Money I wrote for Alan Jackson last night. And they loved it. I and the band was like, let's do it, let's do right of the money, or let's do, you know, you just pull out songs that I don't know. I just I just loved it. I always loved the song. But of course, Alan and I are Alan and I are different artists, and I'm the biggest Alan Jackson fan that you can be. I love him. I think he's just uh he's an amazing, you know, he's not just his voice, but his songs are just always been. I was label mate with Alan, you know, that Airstor for a long time, decade. It was just awesome, you know. I always listened to his records, and I mean there's some artists you just go, eh. But I was really uh I always really looked forward to hearing what he's doing, you know. And but I think the people that you really respect, I mean, uh Billy Joel, I still love Billy.

SPEAKER_00 11:11

Him and Elton John are my uh Yeah, they are both great. I love them too.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? They were they're the guys, and and I just remember you know meeting Elton John for the first time, and I mean he was just great, you know. And this was before I had any cuts or record deal, but I was playing in in my bar and I had such a following. And and Nigel Olson, of course, came and played with me one night and sat in with me several, several nights. And it was just I'm like, what in the world? But he was such a great guy. And but when Elton did his his concert in Nashville for D. Murray, when he passed away, he he did a thing at the Opry House. And and uh Lisa Olson, Nigel's wife, was uh was a fan, come see me play and all that. And so you gotta meet Elton, you've got to meet, and he'll he'll love it. So I when I met him and went backstage and hung out with him, and it was amazing, you know. It's just the moments you forget about, you go, did that really happen, right? You know.

SPEAKER_00 12:05

Yeah, that's the beauty of living in Nashville. Yeah, working, networking, you just never know who's around the next corner.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

Yeah, and there's so many in Nashville now because it's become kind of this every you know, with everybody kind of left LA, really. You know, Steve Dorf, who I write with, is a dear friend, and we've written a bunch. And uh matter of fact, he got married in my barn back here. You know, it's just so great. And it's kind of funny because Steve Cropper, you know, been a dear friend forever, but his daughter, she's getting married in my barn too, coming up. So, I mean, it's kind of funny that I built this barn for some reason. It's my studio now, but I like to go back there and just kind of uh I've got a grand piano up there, and I just get up, I go up there and I just uh sit down and who knows what might happen, you know.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

That's the beauty of being able to find your comfort zone, your comfort space, and have the ability to just sit down and let things flow naturally with no pressure of having to do it.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, you think uh you think about like back in the day when we all had publishing deals and doing all this stuff. I mean, you you know, it was all about getting the next cut. I don't know, it everything worked out. It it's just like I still I still process it sometimes, like like you know, some you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 13:16

Yeah, the music business has been very good to both of us. I mean, I've had the same situations where I've been in the same rooms with five-star generals and so many different people, and they want to know what I do when I want to know what they're doing. So, yeah, it's just great.

SPEAKER_01 13:32

It's so crazy, and it's wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

You know, I mean, I I've done so many things for the military, it's very important to me, and I've got so many dear friends, and of course, I you know, I've got to meet Clinton and I played the Bush White House some four times, I think, you know, and for their Christmas, and it was just amazing.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

Yeah, that's great. Which Bush, father or the son?

SPEAKER_01 13:53

I met dad and but for uh for W, I played the White House several times. I did several events for them, and and I got to meet Herman Walker, of course. He was just great. I loved him, and you know, I always wanted to. I never met Regan, I always wanted to meet him, you know. And but anyway, it was just such a great I got to meet Clinton at a Humana event. He was speaking and I was playing. And anyway, he was I thought he was gonna play sax with me, but at the last minute he didn't get it. He said, I gotta get out of here, but y'all have a great anyway. He was great.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

That's the beauty of this business. You get to meet people that want to meet you and you want to meet them. It's just the beauty of this business.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

It is great. It is uh, you know, I never take it, I never take it for granted, that's for sure. I mean, I'm looking at that Glenn Campbell book over there. I mean, Glenn was one of my heroes growing up, listening to Galveston. And I mean, all the he was just the best, you know.

SPEAKER_00 14:43

And oh, he was. And for those that don't know what you're talking about, I have a book called Life with My Father, Glenn Campbell, on my shelf behind me. And it was written by his daughter, Debbie, who I produce.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

I mean, and how great. I did meet her. And but I got to play golf with Glenn and some tournaments. I mean, we talked about it's just it was the greatest. I'm just sitting here going, Man, I am I think actually me and Toby, me and Toby Keith and Glenn Campbell played golf. It was really fun. I mean, you know, people we all come and go, but Glenn Campbell's, man. I listened to some of his records. I mean, I don't know, man, maybe two or three weeks ago. I just kind of listened to some of his greatest hits.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

You know, the beauty of this music is sometimes just the simplicity of it is what makes it so great. I mean, go back to 1975 and Rhinestone Cowboy. I mean, it was just super.

unknown 15:32

It's best.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

I love it. That was one of my uh one of our dear friends. I lived with him. He was one of my roommates when I first moved to Nashville, but he's a cop, but he's a great, great guy. He died of cancer, I don't know, maybe five or six years ago. He had melanoma, but man, he loved it, and he always mispronounced everything and he he called it rhymestone cowboy. And I just it was the greatest thing. I said, man, but Glenn was such a such a pure singer and player. I mean, it was I mean, what he did with the Beach Boys and everybody, I mean, what a musical resume.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

Yeah, I mean, he was great. I mean, he was the one everyone looked at for a very long time.

unknown 16:11

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 16:11

He was just so good.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

No, he was uh of course I always wanted to, but I always ended up I never could play guitar very well. I was just I guess I just never tried, but I just uh I just was of such a piano aficionado, you know. I just loved uh the Billy Joel and Elton John and I love Charlie Rich, how he played, and I loved uh all those guys, and Ronnie Milsap was such a sweetheart of a guy. He's greatest.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Wow, Ronnie Milsap. I met him back when Tom Collins was producing him. Really nice guy. And like Tom, is Tom still around? I'm not sure where he is now. He's about in his 80s, I think.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

Yeah, because Tom, I mean, you know, music grows so different, you know, now, of course. And I mean, Bob Beckham, remember Bob? Do you remember him at all?

SPEAKER_00 16:55

Yeah, I sure do.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

I mean, it was the greatest. I I would just uh and and he turned me on to like the Billy Swan records and he played me, he played me all this stuff. He said, You gotta you gotta hear this, and and he'd take me back when I mean just it was just so great.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

I mean, uh I think you've had a very similar experience to like I have. You grew up with all these icons. Then you have them reaching out to you, whether they're calling you or their management's calling you, saying, you know what? We have to do a project together sometime.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

I mean, it really doesn't get much better than that.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

Isn't that great?

SPEAKER_00 17:30

It is.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

I just think of like my dad played me BJ Thomas. What a singer, right? All the Burt Baccarac and Hal David stuff that that he sang on. And I think about it years later, and I'm playing golf with uh BJ, you know. Of course, you know, hanging out in Nashville. Whenever he'd come, we'd play golf. This is so great.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Yeah, one of my good friends was his band leader right up until he passed a few years ago.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Oh, really? We'd play me and him and the Cropper, Steve Cropper, and all this. We'd all play golf. We'd play golf up at Nashboro Village and still can't believe it. You know, it was just uh, but on a human level, they were so great, always so nice.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

Yeah, they were great guys. And now, of course, have you been down on music role lately and seen how drastically that's changed?

SPEAKER_01 18:13

It's so weird. I mean, it's really weird.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

I mean, you know, and all the buildings are different, and some of the more iconic studios have been torn down just to build condos.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

It's unbelievable. I mean, there really aren't anymore. You know, now it's you know, that's why I've been wanting to kind of get mine back up and running. Uh, I built the sparn in the back of my property, and I'm just I can't wait to get back in and start recording again, you know.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

It's always great to be in the studio. So what's coming up? What's on your agenda right now?

SPEAKER_01 18:44

Well, I'm I mean, I'm doing a few more shows this year. I've got um, you know, I'm I'm out touring again, which I love. I mean, I'm not touring as much as I want to, but I guess next year, next couple years I'll I'll get back into it. But you know, I mean, for me now, I just want to write and and record, you know. I I think it's just kind of fun to you, you know, you don't have to wait for approval from anyone. You know, well, that's a good song, or this isn't yeah, well, this is you don't it's just all these guys that you know, whatever. They have opinions.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

You know, you've been here long enough, you've done so many great things. I think you're in a place now where you can actually do the things that you want to do, not the things that they say that you have to do, so that way you can sit back and enjoy what you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

Yeah, you know, that is a good point. You know, I think, and I've gotten to travel all over the world with my job, right? You know, you you're playing Europe and Australia and where, you know, England, Ireland, yeah, Scotland. You know, I've been to I've been to Ibe Road, right? You know, I've gotten to sit there and you know, meet Ringo and and Paul and I mean all these guys. It's just, you know, you think about, you know, we the stuff we talked about when when we were kids, right? You know, and but now it's just uh, you know, I want to get I want to get better at golf again. I want to start playing golf again.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

And I was never any good at it. Do you play at all? I mean No, I've hit a few golf balls and then I went to a driving range. I sliced most all of them into the trees. So I'm really not all that good.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

That's what we all do. I don't care who you are. You're gonna I'm a member of my club for years. I haven't played it, but now it's been three years, so we're gonna go tonight and actually hit some balls, play nine holes. So I'm excited about that.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Yeah, that's awesome. Wow, this has really been good. Great conversation, great topics. I mean, we've covered so many different things. Anything that you want to let people know that you think is important that they hear? Anything that you've got coming up or just whatever?

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Well, heck, I don't know. I mean, I I can't think of anything, you know. Um, I'm just coming back from uh, you know, a couple of years of hell. Um, I do feel I feel great. I feel great now, I feel better. And once I get my uh myself back in shape and I get my my drive down.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

I have to say, you sound really good, so relaxed and so comfortable. And that's a really good thing considering everything you've been through in the last two years.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Yes, I know, man. It because I I was I didn't realize uh, you know, my arteries were so clogged genetically, right? You know, and that that's something you don't think about, but I didn't didn't feel well, and but I do feel so much better and relaxed. And I've got time now to think about all the things that have happened that have transpired over the last 40 years or 35, and and it's pretty um, it's pretty incredible, you know, to get to uh to get to I mean, I'm I'm just blessed I didn't die when I died, you know.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we get to a point in our lives where we have friends that have been with us for so long, and we just take it for granted that they'll always be there, and then one day they're gone. Yeah. Over the years, our lives just Changed so much. I mean, my mother just lived to four months short of a hundred. I remember one day she was saying, I don't have any friends. And I was like, Oh yeah, you've got all kinds of friends. Her response, well, you may think so, but they're all gone.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

Now I'm looking around, I'm understanding everything she said because a lot of my friends are gone now as well. All we can do is hope we get up every morning, take our lives day by day, yeah, and just keep moving forward.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

Yeah, it's the truth. And I think it's, you know, and I think everything happens for a reason. I really believe that. And and it has slowed me down, you know, this year and to where I'm only doing 30, 40 shows, you know, and and uh it's giving me time to reflect on a lot of things, you know, what that have happened and and even remember them, you know. It's like, you know, you can be thankful. I can definitely be thankful for that.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

Absolutely. We all have something to be thankful for. And you know, we all think we're invincible until we're not. I know. Then when we find that we're not invincible, it brings reality into our lives. Then when we start thinking about that reality, hopefully we can learn and evolve from that so that we can just keep moving every single day.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Yeah, it's it's it is pretty crazy. Are you from uh are you from Pennsylvania?

SPEAKER_00 23:24

No, I'm originally from Maine.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

Oh, Maine. Okay, yeah. I was I was I heard uh a couple things you said. You said like uh like around uh Pittsburgh or North I knew it was up there somewhere. I love Maine.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Yeah, I was born and raised in Maine. I traveled back and forth recording here in Nashville during the time I was working with Ronnie, and then ultimately before I moved here. I don't know. Do you remember Bob Milsap and Gary Paxton? Of course, yeah. I was working with them, they were producing me, and Bob became my mentor, and because of them, that's when we had a conversation and they talked me into, and it was a good move, of moving to Nashville. That's when I got into production, development, and management, and ultimately my record label. Right. Bob was a huge help. He got sick and moved away, and he told me, just remember one thing. You can use my name to get through any door, but when you close it, you're on your own.

unknown 24:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

Nashville has been very good to me. I cannot complain one bit.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

Cool, man. I mean, Nashville is a fun town. I mean, of course, it's grown so much, it's it's hardly recognizable, but it's the mini LA. Yeah, yeah. Good grief. I was hoping it'd never be that, but I mean, it's like I said, of course, a lot of my buddies are from LA, have moved to Nashville, so it's good. I mean, at least I don't have to go there.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

Yeah, that's for sure. I always hate it when I go to LA. Well, this has been great. Great conversation, just laid back, and I've really enjoyed this.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

I know, man. I love it. I tell you, it's just uh but anyway, let's do it. Let's stay in touch. And I I think I've I'm going out this week. I don't have many shows right now, so I'm just uh I'm just I'm around.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

Yeah, that sounds great. When you get back, let's touch base.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

That sounds wonderful. I love it, buddy.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

Well, it's been great. I really appreciate you coming on.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Well, thanks, brother. And uh I we'll talk soon.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

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