The Vine with Joe & Katie Devine
Welcome to "The Vine" with Joe and Katie Devine, where we embark on a journey through the twists and turns of life, love, and faith in our formative twenties. Join us as we candidly share our triumphs, trials, and everything in between, inviting you into our world of learning and growing together. Through heartfelt conversations, we navigate the complexities of marriage, relationships, and spirituality, reflecting on our missteps and milestones with humility and grace.
As branches of the same divine Vine, we embrace the power of community and the guidance of faith, aiming to inspire and uplift our listeners as we collectively journey toward greater understanding and connection. Welcome to a space where vulnerability meets wisdom and where, together, we discover the beauty of being intertwined in the vine of life.
The Vine with Joe & Katie Devine
Our Catholic Mass Hot Takes and Rating Catholic Bangers
What makes the Catholic Mass special beyond the obvious? In this heartfelt conversation, we peel back the layers of our weekly worship experience to discover the moments that truly move us.
From the uncomfortable joy of incense smoke filling the sanctuary to the community-building awkwardness of the sign of peace, we're diving into the elements of Mass that have shaped our faith journeys in unexpected ways. Katie shares how walking up to communion during her struggle with infertility became a profound act of surrender and healing, while Joe reflects on the humbling power of the penitential rite that reminds us the Church is for broken people, not the already perfect.
We explore how small traditions reveal big truths—like the way we stand for the Gospel or gather for post-Mass chatter. These seemingly minor rituals carry profound meaning when we pause to appreciate them. And because no Catholic conversation would be complete without music, we rank our all-time favorite Mass "bangers" (looking at you, "On Eagle's Wings" and "They'll Know We Are Christians By Our Love").
Whether you're a lifelong Catholic who could recite the Nicene Creed in your sleep or someone curious about what happens inside those stained-glass windows every Sunday, this episode offers a fresh perspective on ancient traditions that continue to speak to modern hearts.
Take a break from your micro-retirement (yes, that's just PTO with a fancy new name) and join us for this celebration of sacred moments that make us laugh, cry, and draw closer to something greater than ourselves.
Catholic Bangers Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6I5UMDOJ41BkdShpX9uUSo?si=lGlWrBO9T_G1DdlsgCoSvQ&pi=YzEKKVwtQhyrw&nd=1&dlsi=59ecc1b9a85f4647
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Welcome back.
Speaker 2:Hello everyone. I'm Katie and I'm Joe.
Speaker 1:Welcome to the Vine.
Speaker 2:This is the Vine.
Speaker 1:We're here.
Speaker 2:Katie, we are two for two on recording on Mondays and we're gonna make it a thing. I love your optimism.
Speaker 1:We really don't have a schedule and I'm really really trying to get a schedule down.
Speaker 2:You're a routine girl. I am.
Speaker 1:But welcome back, guys. We are going to do what I always skip.
Speaker 2:Yes, Peek and Pits. I mean she's getting right into it.
Speaker 1:We're going to do it right now.
Speaker 2:No banter.
Speaker 1:Nothing, yeah, I'm trying to catch up to the chase.
Speaker 2:We're just here for content, we're just here for the business. You first.
Speaker 1:Oh, we just stared at each other quietly.
Speaker 2:Would you like me to go first?
Speaker 1:Well, I don't want to steal your peak, so I want you to go first. Um, I don't know what peak.
Speaker 2:You'd be stealing July 4th, yeah, oh, um, yeah, okay, so I'd say my peak. I mean, you're right, that was gonna be my peak um my peak is definitely um July 4th. Every year we get together with my mom's family um and my uh some of my dad's family. Sorry, we just ate dinner.
Speaker 1:This is also a reoccurring theme. Yes, I know Us recording.
Speaker 2:That's the problem. If we record every Monday night, we're going to record right after we eat dinner. So a lot of times it's like most of my mom's family, some of my dad's family, comes. Both my parents are one of five, so we celebrate a lot with July 4th. I'm sure we probably talked about this last year because I think we had a podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I love July 4th. It's such a fun time to see our family and I think what really struck me, especially with you being pregnant this time, is like the phase in life that we've really shifted from. Like I was talking with one of my cousins and she's older than me I think she's probably in like her. She's in her mid-30s, um, and there was one summer where myself and one of my younger cousins, who's a year younger than me, we spent like a week with her and like in my head she was like way older than she probably actually was. When we spent a week with her she was probably like 22 or 23. She was probably Allie's age and she just like we spent a week with her and we were just like reminiscing about it Because, like I think I was probably like a freshman in high school, scott was probably in like eighth grade, and like we would wake up at like 10 o'clock every day, um, because she was a teacher, so she had off for summer break, so we were basically just hanging out with her because she lived on on virginia beach and we would wake up at like 10 o'clock every day.
Speaker 2:We would play call of duty and rock band for like four hours, just like alternating between the two of them. At like two o'clock we'd be like, okay, let's go to the beach. So then from like two to like 7 30 we'd go to the beach and then we would come back and have dinner and then we'd play like time and then we'd like watch some movie and then we'd go to bed at like one o'clock and do it all over again.
Speaker 2:We did it for a week and honestly it was amazing and like I had such a fun memory and I think that's what like shocked me was like my nephews are not that much, like they're not that far removed from the age I was when I did that and that really like kind of like hit home with me.
Speaker 2:The other peak honestly like I it was a peak for me was we watched, um, my sister's five kids for like six hours uh on sunday and it was really fun like it was fun getting to hang out with them and I forget, like again, just how how grown up and not old, because they're really not that old, but just like I don't know how much they're growing up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so fast, like so quickly and how much we're growing up and it's just a fun reminder to see everybody, like cousins who are my age, we're all starting to have kids and we're married and, you know, we're progressing in our careers and like it's just cool to see, like you know, like these are the people we literally used to all like sleep in a room, in the garage, in the garage, in our sleeping bags.
Speaker 1:And, like like all, in our sleep, in the garage, in our sleeping bags and like I don't know.
Speaker 2:We'd watch phineas and ferb for like six hours straight, and now they're doing that, and now they're literally doing that. It's just crazy. So that's my peak. My pit, I would say, is we're getting to like nut crunch time with moving into our new house and, honestly, I think the thing that I underestimated the most is how hot it's going to be when we move everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like the peak of July summer heat.
Speaker 2:I'm so pregnant You're not that pregnant.
Speaker 1:I'm not that pregnant, but that's still farther down the line and I'm only getting bigger by the day.
Speaker 2:You look beautiful, you look amazing.
Speaker 1:Thanks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's my pick, though that's not going to be fun.
Speaker 1:Well, we're not even there yet. It's just like the anticipation I think might be where hang on?
Speaker 2:we move in two weeks, it's not like.
Speaker 1:But like we're still, it's still like not there yet, and I think, just like the timeline, like the crunch time is the pit, like that's the struggle that's fair.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's my peak and pit. Bless you I had to sneeze, I'm sorry lots of uh, lots of burping and sneezing so far early on in the episode.
Speaker 1:Okay, I obviously had a great time on July 4th.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:It's cool just because I like I mean we started dating when I was 16, 15, 16. So it's like cool that I've been a part of it, you know, since then.
Speaker 2:I think you came the first year. I think like cool that I've been a part of it, you know since then and like I think you came the first year, I think you came the first summer we were dating, yeah, and so that was obviously overwhelming.
Speaker 1:But like who would have thought, like I could tell that little girl like this is gonna be your life, and not only that, this is gonna be all these 40 people you beat.
Speaker 2:We were joking. Katie was in a picture. So the first year katie came and I think we'd been dating for like what 10 months Was all literally all of my dad's family and all of my mom's family.
Speaker 2:Both on each side, were all together and we all took a picture. And because, like my dad's family and my mom's family had known each other like for a long time, like there were you know, these aren't just two kind of random families Like they all went to the same church growing up and everything, so they like knew each other, and so it was like a big group of people. And katie was in the picture and we're like, well, we have to get married now.
Speaker 1:Because katie's in this picture. This is the only picture we have of the whole family and it'd be a little awkward. If they're like, all right. If you're not, like officially in the family, please, please step away.
Speaker 2:I think you were the only one there, but it worked out well.
Speaker 1:Here we are. So it is really cool because I mean, I essentially got to grow up with you in that way and like got to see that. And I know how much your family means to you and it's just exciting that we get to bring a baby into this family.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Into our family Also. Just a little bit of like, I don't know just like sentiment, like I feel like this time last year. I mean, july 4th is always a good time, but this time last year I had just had surgery for endometriosis and it was such a sad time because not only did I have the surgery, I'm still recovering, I could not get in the water.
Speaker 1:This is true because of the risk of infection, and I was like this is miserable and yeah. So it's just really insane that, like this time last year, that was our situation, and now we're here and this is our situation, like I would have never dreamed of this happening, and it's just such a dream and it feels like a miracle and so we're all in a good place. Um, so I guess that's my peak pit. Um, what would my pit be? I actually didn't think about this. I've been getting a lot of headaches lately and it's just not fun fair that's been a known thing, even like prior to pregnancy, but that's just been.
Speaker 1:I think my biggest change lately is just like I just get a headache yeah and I just can't shake it. But that's it.
Speaker 2:That's all I can complain about okay, well, that's a pretty easy pit then yeah, well I I would say the biggest pit of all. Today, though, there was a big pit today guys.
Speaker 1:Oh, and that's a peak too. You know, I don't really actually. I really feel like I need to like take time to think about this, because I always have like fun things to share and then I don't realize it until after.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we only do it every episode, so it's really hard to remember.
Speaker 1:We got a dresser. This is the first item that we've purchased for our nursery and I have been putting aside the nursery stuff for when we move into the house. But it's a Facebook marketplace dresser and so you never know how long they're going to hold on to that. So I was like it's a good deal and it's a really cute dresser, and we got the dresser and then I was inspired to get like a changing table attachment for it and we were all going to do it in one day.
Speaker 2:And then, of course, the changing table does not fit on top.
Speaker 1:Tragedy has struck, but it's okay, it was still a really happy thing it was able to get the dresser like that just made things feel more real and the guy we got the dresser from.
Speaker 2:He restores furniture and his name was mark joseph and we felt like he was like saint joseph he honestly, he could have sold me anything he was such a sweet man, it's like I'll buy all my furniture from. You he had an accent that we couldn't place like we have no idea where he's from but he was so cute he was. He was really sweet. Shout out mark joseph, I don't know what rejuvenate furniture. Rejuvenate furniture in greenville. Shout out so yeah, good stuff, but yeah, he said he'll be doing it until god takes him.
Speaker 1:He does a pretty good job.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, the episode that we are about to get into, I would say, is inspired by a good friend of ours.
Speaker 1:I know we have to give him credit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mr Connor Blackwelder. So the original idea was and he's a faithful listener, which I always laugh at, at, which I find funny, um, but he uh texted us, the two of us, and said we should do um our favorite catholic mass bangers like songs songs, because connor and I, for years, have always talked about like whenever we would go to church together, you know they'd play a song and we'd be like, oh, that was one of the ones that hit the spot today.
Speaker 1:That was a good one.
Speaker 2:But specifically, like I think and our other friend, justin, would probably hate this, but it's like that I think for to be a true like mass, you know, like a just a true banger for us. It's like those songs that were probably like it's the version of them that was made from like 1996 to like 2005 yeah, those are the catholic bangers, yeah exactly um, with a few exceptions added in there.
Speaker 2:Um, but he gave us that idea and we said okay, we'll do that, but that's probably not a full episode. Then we said okay, we'll talk about our favorite things about mass, and then we'll talk about our end it with the banger yeah, we'll end it with the bangers. Um, so, uh, we each have our three favorite things about mass, because this whole podcast, we love ranking things. We love talking about.
Speaker 1:It's actually we've learned very quickly is our favorite thing to talk about is what just rating things. Oh true, I mean listen, it's good content do you know this?
Speaker 2:now again, the sidebar, but one of the most popular podcasts. It's called um. I think it's called dog walkers. I'll have to look it up. It's a barstool sports podcast but it part of it is literally they just rank things and like it's a podcast to listen to while you're walking your dog. You know if it's like 15, 20 minutes and they'll rank like, okay, what's the best fast food?
Speaker 1:and they, they just debate it, but it's like it's just kind of term, it's just like easy listening. You know, yeah, exactly, and if you are a fellow Catholic mass attender then you can include your input on your favorite things as well. Yeah, or if you're not a mass attender then you can go. Then here's a little edumacation. That's right, what to look.
Speaker 2:I would say I don't know if this is what you did, but this is what I did. Again, this goes into our prep. I'm going to try and separate the like, full spirituality from it. Like, of course, like the Eucharist is, like, the most important thing that comes from mass.
Speaker 1:We're not here. That's like obviously that's number one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is more like the ambience.
Speaker 1:Our favorite things that we look forward to is what I kind of yeah like I would almost liken it more to like.
Speaker 2:What would you talk about, Like, if this was a wedding? What would you talk about after you went to the wedding?
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, does that make sense? Do you remember when they did that? Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:Because, of course, the mass has so much more meaning to us. But this is just a little more lighthearted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think you should go first, though, because sometimes I feel like I don't.
Speaker 2:No, you go first and then I'll follow your lead.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, I will start with my number. I'm not, this is not particular. I think the last one is going to be like my most favorite. Okay so number one is like I, just like it.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I think the sign of peace is fun.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:It always makes me laugh when people who don't go to Mass often or at all come with me and they're like why are we waving? Why are we waving?
Speaker 2:to people.
Speaker 1:And, if you don't know, the sign of peace occurs right after the Lamb of God.
Speaker 2:After the Our Father, before the Lamb of God.
Speaker 1:Okay, around that time, yes, I was close. So, yeah, we are all singing and then, all of a sudden, the priest is like all right now, what does?
Speaker 2:he say he doesn't.
Speaker 1:He doesn't say you may offer the sign with you he doesn't even say, though, like offer the sign of peace well, depends on what church you go to.
Speaker 2:So, like when we go to church at home, like sorry, let me phrase when we go to church where we grew up, he, I believe, I believe he says now offer each other a sign of peace with With a head nod or like a wave? No, you're thinking about what he says, what they say to announce mass In the morning.
Speaker 1:you're right, I'm getting confused. You are getting confused.
Speaker 2:They say that the priest will say now offer each other a sign of peace.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:They don't have to say that Some parishes will not say that. The priest will just say peace, peace, be with you, and then you respond and with your spirit back to the priest um, and then it's become natural but just because for a long time that's what people did we just now I'm stepping on yours.
Speaker 1:No, no, I I couldn't remember exactly how they say it, because I just remember that may be wrong, but I think that's what it is I guess you're right, some churches do it differently, but I feel like lately it's never been very clear like offer each other a sign of peace has never actually been said, but we've been, everyone's been doing it for so long that they just know. Right after that part is the time that we just look around the room and lock eyes and like either shake hands or wave or hug well, and then you get especially post-covid.
Speaker 2:so so like before COVID.
Speaker 1:It was like full on embracing.
Speaker 2:You always shaked hands, that's how you showed peace, but after COVID now everybody's like a little timid. But then sometimes you'll hit somebody with the peace sign or the nod, and then they'll shoot their head straight out and it's like, ooh, this is awkward, yeah, and you're like. Well, I already gave you peace.
Speaker 1:We don't need to shake hands. I I just think that's the funniest thing. And if I were going to mass and was not used to the rhythm and what to expect, like that would be like wait.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what is this wait? Why are we all?
Speaker 1:so fun, why are we all looking at each?
Speaker 2:other. There's only like 10 minutes left in mass. Why are we all shaking hands?
Speaker 1:so yeah, no reason other than I just think it's a funny little thing we do and it's a very sweet and it is a very welcoming gesture no, I agree, it's definitely super welcoming um okay this is mine.
Speaker 2:I love, especially when we go to churches that we don't belong to I love I meant to like. I meant to pull that burp away. I'm drinking a Coke Zero too right now. It's not helping the cause I love. Church announcements.
Speaker 1:I don't.
Speaker 2:I'm sure a lot of people are like this is so silly, I'm so ready to get out, especially when we go to a church that we don't belong to. I'm like I can't wait to hear what they think like, what their announcements are worthy. I, I know it's silly, but I just I think what I actually like about it is I like to see what the church is up to. You know, like, what does the parish think is like, how are they trying to get people involved? And I know there's a lot of people who probably would disagree with this. But one of the things I just found so neat there's a parish we would go to occasionally where, when it was time for so, at most masses, when you go, there's just either the priest usually it's the priest will make the announcements, and when I say announcements, usually it's like okay, you know Donuts and coffee. And when I say announcements, usually it's like okay, you know.
Speaker 2:Donuts and coffee. There's donuts and coffee in the back. The women's group is meeting Wednesday at 530. There will be youth group this Sunday. Yada, yada, just kind of like general, literally just general announcements for the church. But there was this one church we went to where usually, again, it's just the priest saying this, where they would hand this. They would hand a microphone to people in in the congregation who had their announcements for like okay, this is the head of this club and they would talk and a lot of times they would personally invite people to whatever you know, uh, whatever little event, um, or meeting, or small group, and I don't. I just I felt like it was very personal it was very personal.
Speaker 2:I assume you know what parish you're talking about right, yeah, um, and I don't know.
Speaker 1:I just I loved that it is fun, it's like a fun, it's a sweet, like very community oriented. Some people don't love it because it takes like 20 minutes after mass. Well, and it's it.
Speaker 2:It is, I will say it is like kind of removing from the mass itself. Like I remember we went to a latin mass um, this was probably years ago, but we went to a full latin mass and like it was all these latin prayers very solemn, and then like the priest goes up there and he just talks about, like you know hey, make sure he just does the announcements in English and I'm like, wow, I have been taken away from this worship now.
Speaker 2:But I don't know, I just feel like it's I don't know it's very representative of like the lifeblood and the heartbeat of the parish. Yeah, and I like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can definitely tell what you're getting yourself into when you go to this church and it is. I mean they're. They're like full disclosure this is who we are, like it or not, and I like that about them. Um, I find that funny. You like that though? Yeah I'm I'm very much so like put it in the bulletin. I'll read it later when have you ever? Exactly read a bulletin exactly never um, okay, number two.
Speaker 1:Maybe this is a bit spiritual, I think my last couple are gonna be this way um you mean two-thirds of your yeah, the last two the majority of my three um I I love that for the gospel we all like stand like it's a whole thing oh yeah and I love that we do that, because I feel like people do say and they reprimand catholics for not being so scripture oriented yeah and I see where they're coming from.
Speaker 1:I've grown up in the south and because I grew up in the South, I do feel like I've integrated Scripture into my faith life in a different way than maybe if you didn't grow up in the Bible Belt. So I appreciate that for that reason. But you just can't say that when you go to a Catholic Mass because everything revolves around Scripture and not only that you'll know for sure when we start saying the gospel, um, I mean, it is like this whole new element of reverence, like we're standing and like we cross our forehead and our mouth and our heart and like it's just such a reverent experience that I'm like this, like this is our um, this is, this is what we're, this is how we're respecting and like incorporating scripture, not only just reading it.
Speaker 2:You know yeah, well, what I was? I don't know. This is like a, a pop quiz, and I don't think you or I like qualified to give the right answer yeah would you say that the gospel is probably the second most important piece of the mass, outside of the transubstantiation and the Eucharist.
Speaker 1:I would think so, Even just based off of the way that the mass revolves around it. Everything leads up to the gospel, and then that predecesses the transubstantiation. You know when we're having communion? That is a clear. This is a reverent time, yeah, but like I feel like the gospel really like starts that movement.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then also something I really like that Our Lady of the Rosary does. Yeah, is the gospel square. Is that what they call it? I?
Speaker 2:don't know what it's called. They proclaim it from, not from. So we know enough to be dangerous, but not enough to know the actual terminology. Most parishes will read the gospel from. What's called the ambo, which is basically to the left of every altar, is like a little podium where you can speak. That's where the homilies are given. But, arlie, the Rosary, in the middle of the aisle that you process down in the sanctuary is a mosaic square and it's got the symbol of all four Gospels it's a man a lion an ox and an eagle, I think.
Speaker 2:I don't know Something like that, but it's got a symbol of all four Gospels and that's where they proclaim. They have four altar servers who will stand at each corner with a candle and then the deacon or priest will read the gospel from the middle of the square. So it's almost like reading it kind of like in the town square.
Speaker 1:I feel like yeah, which I really. I like the symbolism behind it, like they are not preaching it towards us, they are preaching it within the crowd and like they literally come down into the crowd and read the gospel. And I just love and like everybody in the parish like knows to even just like turn their body to face it, like I love that.
Speaker 2:It's so true.
Speaker 1:I just love like those little like acts, those little gestures to like show our reverence towards. I don't know. This is also a parish that will like turn towards a crucifix when we start praying.
Speaker 2:That is true.
Speaker 1:And I do think it does show a lot of reverence. You know, not that it has to be done that way, but as a guest or someone visiting the parish, if I were to see that, I'd be like, wow, like these people have a reverence and appreciation towards what's happening in this moment. So the Gospel Square, reading the gospel I think the first time that it really dawned on me that I really appreciate the way that we do this is I went to a Baptist school and we would do Wednesday chapel every week, like we had to go, which I loved, I was not complaining about.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But there was one time one preacher specifically. He said I'm about to read the gospel, so I'd appreciate it if everybody stood and like we all stood while he read the gospel and I was like this feels familiar People were like what. Yeah, but everyone loved it. They're like this is awesome. I love his reverence blah blah blah and I was like whoa, we do that every Sunday, like that is the reverence that it deserves all the time.
Speaker 2:Spoiler alert most of the mass is scripture.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's so cool Anyways.
Speaker 2:I love that.
Speaker 1:Your turn number two.
Speaker 2:My number two. Now, this can be hit or miss for a lot of people. I love incense and Katie I don't even know if you can hear her she was taking a sip of water, she was laughing, because there have literally been times where she's had to walk out of the church because there was too much incense. But I feel like it is truly one of those things and this is just a personal opinion of mine that like it elevates a mass for me, and I think it's more so because growing up we didn't do it a lot and I remember being like I was the incense guy.
Speaker 2:It's like I was the one that had to light the little pieces of charcoal and and get her going in the you know, so that when I walked down the aisle everybody could smell it. And like I'll tell you what, when you're holding that thing and it's smoking like you better be ready for it Definitely burned myself a couple times, but I don't know. I just I love the symbolism of it. Like that we're lifting our prayers, we're lifting our spirits, we're lifting our songs all up into heaven and I don't know. I think the whole point of mass right is to be transported into heaven. It is meant to be something that transcends time, right in space.
Speaker 2:It's meant to kind of take place in this weird void outside of time and space, even though I can't stop checking my watch during mass to see what time it is but I really do feel like incense is one of those things that just gives it that air of of timelessness, of like you know what, what year is it, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I just, I really like incense well, I will say I do like I have been converted if we sit far enough away from it. I love the way incense looks like I do. I think it's so cool like fogging up the church yeah, it's like you're in the clouds, like you're in heaven, is what I visualize it to be. I just can't be near where the incense is happening yeah, katie, would not be the incense altar, server. Uh, no, no so I like that. Though I agree, I don't disagree with you yeah, can I do?
Speaker 2:well, hang on. Well, hang on, I'll do it. I have another one. That's like it's not my number one, but it's something I realized I wish I had thought about afterwards but I'll do it as an honor.
Speaker 1:You can do a little stuff.
Speaker 2:No, I'll do an honorable mention after we do. Okay, you do your third.
Speaker 1:Okay. My third one it is walking up to communion and I think that's just something that I've enjoyed in this season of life because I appreciate I don't know, I just feel like I appreciate the artistry and the intentional details that you see in a church, and Our Lady of the Rosary specifically.
Speaker 1:I feel like walking up to that altar to receive communion feels like I'm walking up to receive Jesus like himself, and like see him myself and I appreciate it so much because there have been times where I really struggled with understanding, like the miraculous nature of the Eucharist. I'm like if you are all. If this is truly a miracle and this is your body, like, why are you not healing mine? Like, why can't I, like, get pregnant?
Speaker 2:You know, essentially I'm like I just want this one thing.
Speaker 1:And I go to communion with this intention on my heart, like I believe that this is you. Can you do this for me? And I realized now like it felt very transactional but I was in a very desperate place. And now that prayer, like it felt very transactional, but I was in a very desperate place. And now that prayer, honestly, I think God was like don't change your prayer, like that should be your prayer always. Like I want you to ask me to heal you and that's still my prayer. And so when I walk up to communion, it feels like a very special moment because I'm like it's like a reminder to me that God is who he is.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He says he is, and I can still say like God, I'm walking up to you, like, heal my body with yours, so that I can then, in turn, like, grow this one.
Speaker 2:I really like that.
Speaker 1:And so that's I always get like emotional going up to communion now because I'm like I know that you will heal my body because you did he did, and then he gave you another body. I know I can't do this without his body. My body cannot support this life without his yeah and so it's just been like my favorite thing every sunday is like walking up to communion no matter what, or every time we go to mass I'm like this is just a really surreal moment no 100.
Speaker 1:I love that that's my most favorite thing lately.
Speaker 2:I love that my my favorite about Mass, and I thought about this for a while because I was like, okay, I guess I like a lot of things about Mass. I think the thing that I oftentimes remember the most and it kind of I feel like is what jolts me back into like being at Mass is the Penit, the penitential act, um, where, basically, excuse me, basically everybody in the church says, um, they say the same prayer, but it's. You know, I confess to you and to almighty God, my brothers and sisters, that I have greatly sinned, um, and now, for some reason, I can't remember the rest of it. I should have had it pulled up. But basically, what used to happen?
Speaker 2:I think this is true. I have some much smarter friends I should have reached out to beforehand. But I believe early, early, early on in the mass, it was like a big, huge forum. Basically, at this part of the mass they would let people stand up and, like you, would literally proclaim in front of everybody. Here's what I've seen, here's how I have sinned. But they realized that it was a bad idea because oftentimes you'd have somebody stand up and be like I committed adultery with this person and that person person was to fuse behind you with their husband.
Speaker 2:That did not know or you know wife that did not know that adultery was just committed, and they're like that didn't seem like a good idea. So they like streamlined their prayer. But essentially what happens every single Mass is everybody that attends Mass stands up in front of one another and confesses that they are sinners and that they require God's forgiveness. And it just really stands out to me because I mean, we all stand in a group and just say that we're broken people, but I don't think we realize it when we actually sit down and go to Mass. It's just another one of those things that's memorized because we've been going to Mass every Sunday. But when you read the words and when you look at the history behind it and understanding of no, we go to Mass and we say that at the beginning of Mass because we want to kind of not fully absolve our conscience but just admit that we require this forgiveness and this mercy and that we are sinners.
Speaker 2:That is the first, you know, one of the first things that happens at every Mass acknowledging our sin and acknowledging that we are not worthy. And I don't, and the you know there's a one part. We say it's through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault, and I think you know me well enough, katie, to know that, like I'm very big on like taking accountability. Even if you don't feel like you should, um, that there's a good chance that it is. It is your fault.
Speaker 2:You know your actions, whether good or bad, oftentimes are direct reflection on you, whether you feel like it or not, whether it seems fair or not, oftentimes you have made the choices that have gotten you there and just, I don't know, I feel like the penitential act usually is what snaps me back into Mass, where I feel like I can focus, where I feel like I'm reminded that I'm not the only sinner here. You know, I'm not the only person struggling with something. I'm not the only person who's hoping that Mass gets out in an hour so that I can go watch the Ravens game Right, like we're all a part of that same group and I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know that's my favorite thing I mean the church is the church is for sinners, for broken people.
Speaker 2:It is not perfect People. What was that thing? There was like this really. Um, the line was, uh, oh, never mind, I completely lost it. I'm gonna have to look up this video.
Speaker 1:We'll do we'll talk about it next podcast.
Speaker 2:Do you remember? It's like the not god is not dead. There was like a video we watched when we were in high school and there was a guy he did like a spoken word poem and he was basically saying that a church should be like a hospital for the broken. But now I can't remember what he said because some of the other stuff he said was crazy. It doesn't really matter we'll look it up because then a priest did like a spoken word response to him it was cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I don't remember that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't matter, I'll show you later um, okay, oh my, also my honorable mention gathering with people after mass that's your favorite I love it which is funny because you're always in a rush to go somewhere. Yeah, but I love yapping. You're like, let me go find John I have to talk. And then we find John.
Speaker 1:Okay, I gotta go.
Speaker 2:I'm like, where are?
Speaker 1:we going, we have this Sunday. We have nothing else to do today. What's?
Speaker 2:the rush. It's just to be seen.
Speaker 1:Whereas I let's get out of here. I will say, though, it is fun, though, watching all like the kids frolic in the field afterwards Like I do think it's cute.
Speaker 2:Frolic in the field Yep. It's a little courtyard with one tree that they climb.
Speaker 1:And they frolic, do they not?
Speaker 2:They do frolic, but now you just see like everybody gets out of mass and then they yap.
Speaker 1:You love to yap. I think that's the root of what you're saying here all right, let's get to our favorite okay, all right now that that wasn't our favorite this one's for mr black welder.
Speaker 2:All right, katie, we'll go three, two. Would you have them ranked?
Speaker 1:um wait, let me make sure I don't know how I ranked them. Yes, I do, I again, with the last one being my most favorite okay, all right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you're number three. So yeah, so we're counting like the last one will be our favorite. Yes, all right, you first.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was like, are we doing this at the same time? No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Three, two, one. No, you did start counting down. You're number three. You're number three.
Speaker 1:Wait, no, okay.
Speaker 2:Number one is your favorite. Number three is like your.
Speaker 1:Okay, I mean I did it the other way around, but I'm tracking now.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I'll just switch it around. It's fine. Okay, Sanctuary, because we just played that on Sunday and that's at the forefront of my mind.
Speaker 2:Did we really?
Speaker 1:Lord, prepare me.
Speaker 2:They did play that before mass.
Speaker 1:Sanctuary. Yes, nice, that one is also for your mom, because that's your mom's favorite, really.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she told me that Literally she was the one that was like we had to get here early so I could hear this.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's funny, I didn't realize. Actually, this was like this. Well, this song is on my list. That I thought was her favorite. That's actually my number three, which is here I Am Lord. Oof a good one Played at our wedding here I am, lord you know, and it's a great. I love this story. It's the story of, I believe, samuel. He's calling out because he feels like God's calling him every night, and then he's saying here I am.
Speaker 1:Lord, it's just a good song I've heard you calling in the night.
Speaker 2:It's an absolute unit of a song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't actually think the ones I've chosen are like 90s, early 90s.
Speaker 2:I mean, all these were written in like 1485 by some monk in Ireland.
Speaker 1:They just keep getting modernized. I wonder what the new modern version of these songs will be.
Speaker 2:It's going to be like auto-tune AI generated. Okay, you're number two.
Speaker 1:This one just because it's fitting, and I already forgot how the tune goes. I looked it up earlier. Love divine, I'll love excelling. I love, love divine.
Speaker 2:I know which one you're talking about, but now I can't remember it.
Speaker 1:I knew I was going to forget how it goes. Love divine, I'll love excelling. No, that's not right, that's a Christmas song that is a christmas song but I like that one love divine, all love excelling it is a miss that we did not use this in our wedding that's. That is true, because it is so it would have been too good to be true and we didn't use it, but it is a great song, uh my second is and this was really.
Speaker 2:It was close because I almost wanted this one for first, but there's one that has to be my number one, but this one, my number two, is they'll know we are christians by our love oh, that's a good one, and they'll know we are christians by our love, by our love second octave then that's right. Second octave like.
Speaker 1:Then they start to harmonize and it's like whoa entering a new universe.
Speaker 2:I feel like I'm about to go march out to battle like on lord of the rings, when you do, you want to like march with them? Yeah, it's an absolute. I'll never forget the first time I heard that song. They played it at mass and I was like I like, let's go save some souls, right now that's such a good one. So that was.
Speaker 2:That was my number two okay, my most favorite number one most favorite is the classic version of ave maria the one we played at our wedding yes look at you flexing that you can sing way better than I can well, I can only do one couple things better than you that's not true.
Speaker 1:You can do many things it's so good, though, and it has to be that version. There are so many other virgin virgins versions versions.
Speaker 2:I mean, that is true versions out there, but that is the one we had at our wedding emily dairy kudos to her and she played and, justin, I love that it was the guitar so I mean, it was like, it just felt like I was like in a different, but you know, when she was singing, now I think that was probably objectively a better rendition of it, but and it was our wedding but I honestly I think that your grandma's funeral, where grandpa vick.
Speaker 1:Grandpa vick saying I almost said my grandpa's funeral, but that was, that was different, that was later, that was later um but at your grandma josie's funeral, when you're not her husband but your dad's dad?
Speaker 2:yeah saying ave maria and you guys all played the guitar and, I think, harmonized with him and I'll never forget like he literally like couldn't see the notes and stuff, but he just got up there and just belted it.
Speaker 1:And he was oh, he was so good at singing that song, yeah.
Speaker 2:And when he has like an, he had an like an operatic voice.
Speaker 1:Operatic Is that a word? Sure, um, um, how did I just it sounded it like.
Speaker 2:Really stuck with me the way he's saying he oh yeah, I can like still hear him singing it. That was, I think, the most he had the warble. Oh, that was the most emotional experience.
Speaker 1:But, like the, my favorite version was when emily's saying it at our wedding oh yeah you can't stop. You have to keep singing this forever and ever. I hope that someone sings that when I go to heaven.
Speaker 2:My number one. And this is the song that will take me into heaven On Eagle's Wings, and I will raise you up on Eagle's Wings. There you are, look at you going high, my breath of dawn.
Speaker 1:My breath of dawn.
Speaker 2:There you go. It's got to be on eagle's wings, man.
Speaker 1:No, it's not my bad thing.
Speaker 2:You might have to play it eight times at my funeral. I don't know that was so bad it was awful.
Speaker 1:I'm so sorry. You should go listen to these like the actual songs Can you link them in our bio. I can, if I remember.
Speaker 2:I'm really bad at remembering to link things. I'll try to remember you, to remind you. I'll remember you one day, one day you'll remember me.
Speaker 1:I'll remember you Please forget us singing all of these songs and actually listen to the better version.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go listen to them, and here's what we'll do we will link the playlist that Connor sent us. Yeah yeah, which was Catholic Mass Bangers.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:And we will recommend that you go listen to it, maybe even on your way to Mass.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, prepare that heart man.
Speaker 2:Katie, are you ready for our marriage meeting?
Speaker 1:Let's do it.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I was scrambling for one, let's do it. Okay, so I was scrambling for one, but I found one and I thought this would be really fun. So well, I have two small ones. So number one they both come from this guy. His name's Derek Thompson. I really like a lot of his stuff. I don't agree with all this stuff all the time, but he's a writer, he has a sub stack, he used to write for the Atlantic, but he talks about a lot of policy, he talks a lot about culture, and I just find him honestly very interesting and I like the stuff he writes about. So number one he made a joke.
Speaker 2:He was like kind of making fun of an article. There's something that Gen Z is popularizing Katie, that is our generation. Gen Z is popularizing Katie, that is our generation. They're calling it micro-retirement. Micro-retirement is where you take two weeks off from work and then go back to work. I don't know if you caught it. Katie, that's just taking PTO.
Speaker 2:But they're deeming it micro-retirement because it's a reset for my career. And uh, somebody I saw on um, it was like a post and somebody was like whoa, that's crazy, they took two weeks off. Has anybody ever thought of doing this before? Um? But anyway, that was. That was one thing, but that's not really a marriage meeting, so I love that.
Speaker 1:We know that now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm taking a micro retirement. I take two weeks off every year.
Speaker 2:Okay. So this guy, derek Thompson, he wrote an article about what was life really like in 1776, because we just had July 4. And so 1776, you know the year that our nation was founded. So it's like, okay, what was life actually actually like? So if you had to guess, um, in in the 1770s, what percentage of our total gross economic output? So I want you to think about this. I'll try to explain it. Um, this is gonna be a doozy, I know it's gonna be a doozy. So, um, the us economic output, I don't know, it's trillions of dollars, it's so much and we make. I mean, think about all the different stuff that the us makes, all different types of services, of cars and everything. In 1776, how, what percentage do you think firewood literally firewood uh, took of our total gdp of all this stuff that the United States made and shipped out? What percentage of it was firewood?
Speaker 1:I feel like it's got to be a lot.
Speaker 2:I think you're right.
Speaker 1:Because we weren't making a lot of things back then.
Speaker 2:That's probably true, and we had a lot of the wood. That's probably true.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to go with 70%.
Speaker 2:Okay, it's not quite 70%, but it's 30% and it was 28%. But I think that's crazy. If you got to think about it, 28% of the United States economic output was firewood was literally chopping.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 70% would be kind of a lot 70% would be crazy, we'd have no trees left.
Speaker 2:Okay, so here's another one that I thought was fun, and this just shows you how hard it was to understand what they. It's just to show you what they cared about, what was important. Why could Thomas Jefferson, the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence, why wasn't he able to write in the winter? Why?
Speaker 1:could he not write Because he didn't have.
Speaker 2:Only in the winter.
Speaker 1:In the winter. Something to do with the ink.
Speaker 2:Correct. What would happen to the ink in the winter?
Speaker 1:It would freeze, yes, Imagine literally just not being able to write because you can't keep your home, so he had to get all of his great ideas out while it was still warm out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the writer who wrote this article. He was like, maybe that's why, Okay, but we know that they had firewood.
Speaker 1:Why can't you just set it by the fire and thaw it out?
Speaker 2:Well, that's true, but then you got to write. I mean you got paper and nobody had sprinkler systems back then.
Speaker 1:So if your house catches on fire?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but like I don't see how it's that hard to like put the thing right by the fire, wait for it to thaw go back to your little corner, start writing and then, if it freezes, go back over there. I mean that's true, but then I mean that's a lot of work to just to like pen a letter to say how upset you are that, like your wooden teeth are rotting.
Speaker 1:Maybe it was good for them. They didn't need to.
Speaker 2:So how much do you think George Washington spent?
Speaker 1:This is in today's dollars on candles every year In today's dollars. In today's dollars.
Speaker 2:So like a lot. Okay, it's less than like I'm trying to say like it's less than. I'll say it's less than $50,000, but it's still a lot.
Speaker 1:In a year.
Speaker 2:A year.
Speaker 1:Hmm, $15,000.
Speaker 2:You nailed it.
Speaker 1:Really. Yeah, that was your guess $15,000.
Speaker 2:You spent $15,000 a year on candles.
Speaker 1:Dang. I mean, how much do you think we spend on electricity?
Speaker 2:A lot less than $15,000,000.
Speaker 1:Okay, good, that would be a little bit discouraging.
Speaker 2:I would say like I don't even like a lot less than that I mean light was a necessity.
Speaker 1:That was the only way they could see and hang on.
Speaker 2:Our electricity also powers like it's basically we pay for everything but the lights, like electricity, like the lights are so cheap now. So anyway, I just thought that was a fun, fun. Thank you, george washington for paving the way so that's right you have to spend fifteen thousand dollars and isn't it nice that, like now, our biggest export is like um tiktok influencers instead of like wood?
Speaker 1:yeah, and they advertise fast food and make billions of dollars this is true.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're referencing that podcast we listened to today. Yeah, anybody can become famous now, except us, apparently apparently it's okay, we're just vibing here. Thanks for listening everybody yeah, thanks for this is a fun episode. This was.
Speaker 1:This was a good one um, go to mass, tell us what you love about it yeah, and what your favorite uh banger is we'd love to hear that's right and, as always, let's keep growing together bye y'all bye, thank you.