Skippy is high on drugs and low on hygiene

A father calls, a shed door creaks, and the heat hits like a wall. That’s how our chase for “Skippy” ends—quiet, tense, and painfully human. From there, we pull the threads that tie a single arrest to a web of policy, media narratives, and the everyday math of justice in North Carolina. We talk openly about how national clips on ICE raids get chopped and repackaged, why “we’re going after criminals” becomes a cudgel on both sides, and how collateral arrests ripple through families. We also check in on a fragile peace deal abroad and why headlines rarely stick around long enough to catch the consequences for hostages and civilians.

Closer to home, we spotlight the North Carolina Bail Association’s work and recent movement around Irena’s Law, putting real contours on what safety and accountability look like county to county. Then we get technical—how SEO helps surface defendants through their own networks, why a single screenshot can spark a tip, and what actually happens when you knock on a backyard shed at noon in August. We break down Bond C in plain language: what triggers it, how it changes our risk calculus, and why it too often becomes a jail-by-default for people whose lives are already unstable. Along the way we sit with the hard stuff—overdoses that close files, death certificates that have to be verified across counties, and court processes that prize paperwork over mercy.

Through it all, we try to keep the story grounded: two bondsmen, a small team growing to cover Brunswick County faster, and community ties that still matter in a system that can feel merciless. If you care about bail reform, local law, addiction, or simply how the work actually gets done beyond the headlines, this one goes deep without losing the human center. Listen, share your take on Bond C and media responsibility, and if the show helps you see the landscape a little clearer, hit follow, leave a review, and pass it to someone who needs the context.

Transcript

Catching Up From Nashville

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Very five people on both sides.

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These are real stories, but the names have been changed.

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What's going on, guys? This is Rob. I'm Chad. What's up? How you doing, Chad?

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I'm all right, man. What's going on?

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Oh man, just got back uh from a nice little little getaway vacation, which was nice. Um uh it was fun, man. Nashville, Tennessee, one of my favorite places to go. Cool.

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Glad you had a good time.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got engaged while I was there.

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Congrats.

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Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. And um but a quick thing I wanted to talk to you. Okay. So Nashville, it's it's a very red state because it's Tennessee. Tell me a cool place to be. Oh, dude, it is very cool. Like Broadway is straight up. They they love love, love, love uh Trump. Okay. Yeah, they they there are a lot of Trump supporters. Um but on the way out there, like when I was in Atlanta and Nashville, every now and again you see somebody wearing a mask, bro. And I thought about you, Alex.

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You see them here, man. There are people wearing masks here, too.

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I know, but I thought about you when I saw that.

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It's called virtual signaling. It lets you know that where they stand.

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Well, I was kind of like, I was we're waiting, and this lady was going kind of crazy beside us at the airport in Atlanta.

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Breathing your own breath through those things, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. And um so yeah, so anyway, I'm I'm standing there. She's going crazy trying to get her bags and stuff together before she gets on the plane. And I'm looking at it, I'm like, and I'm looking at Heather going, Hey, is this are we still doing this? Is there something going on I don't know I don't know about it?

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Were you saying this out loud or were you thinking it?

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Well, I kind of was kind of whispering. I don't whisper really well. So, but I was talking to her about it, and I don't know if the lady heard me or not, but she was looking at everybody all wild eyed. That's all because all you can see was her eyeballs, and I used all these big old black masks, and she turned around and looked at me like and I was kind of it's kind of scared to shit.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Well, her oxygen levels were low anyway, from breathing that stupid mass. So you know, she probably was kind of loopy to begin with, with all that.

Mask Culture And Airport Encounters

SPEAKER_02 2:42

Exactly. Um, so anyway, I um I saw a few people out there acting crazy wearing a damn thing, but I don't know, it's it's hot, it's already hot enough traveling wearing the damn things.

Media Narratives On ICE Raids

War Update And Peace Deal Hopes

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Let me ask something. I I I heard I was listening to Steven Crowder um the other morning, and um he kind of like played little snippets of all these um podcasters that are you know real popular podcasters. The Ovon, uh even Joe Rogan and um some others, I didn't know who they were. Um talking about Trump and um is he is is this what you expected by voting for Trump? Are you getting what you what you what you signed up for basically? And uh they were citing the um the ice riots, uh not ice riots, uh the the raids, excuse me, ice raids. Right. Where uh Tom Holman, uh there's a clip of him saying that we're gonna go after the criminals, and that's you know, that's what these podcasters are saying. But the um MSNBC, those channels, stuff like that, they're reporting that um these ice people are just going to Home Depot and Lowe's, and you know, that's where a lot of uh undocumented people go because they do construction work, therefore it's a target-rich environment. Well, Tom Holman, there's a clip, he says, we're going after the criminals. But if someone is with a criminal that is undocumented, collateral damage, collateral damage, they're going to. It's a two for one, right? You know, it didn't you know specifically go after them, but the fact is, you know, so that's where they're twisting it on uh CNN and stuff like that, saying that they're they're raiding uh all these places because that's where a lot of uh undocumented people are. Right. And uh anyway, I just you know some of these things just aren't clear, but I think he's he's doing what he said he was gonna do. And the latest is the uh war, right? Right. I think they've got a peace deal. At this moment, while we're recording this, there's supposedly a peace deal that they're hammering out that it looks like it's gonna go through. So that's good.

Sponsor: NC Bail Association

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I'm trying to I'm messing with the computer. Oh, you're setting that up for I got a new computer, man.

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Yeah, so we got a sponsor. Oh, yeah, we got a sponsor.

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So I'm gonna go ahead, I'm gonna try this to see if this works. Okay. Uh if not, I'm sorry. I've been trying to mess with this. Uh see if I get hey, that's nope, that's just my screen. Hey, hang on a second. So we do have a sponsor here. Let's see.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

There we go, there they are. Hey. So we just got sponsored by the North Carolina Bell Association. Yes, thank you, NCBA. Thank you guys uh for supporting what we do. Uh, we back you guys um also. Yep. And uh, you guys have done a lot for our uh what we do across the state. Yeah, legislation, things like that.

SPEAKER_02 5:49

So NCBA has done a lot here lately, especially with Irena's Law. That's been awesome.

Irena’s Law And NC Politics

SPEAKER_01 5:54

That's been in the news, that's been huge. Uh there our industry, our state uh and industry have been in the news a lot. Irena's law. Right. Um, the guy who shot uh in Southport. Um basically Governor Stein, in my opinion, he had to do the right thing and sign that law. Right, right.

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I'm glad he did too. Yeah.

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I mean, it didn't look like he wanted to. I don't I'm sure he didn't want to, but you know, with all the events that happened, man, he he had to. So I'm glad you did the right thing. I've got a little more faith in you than I had, so that's good.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

Well, I think another thing is too, Chad, is that I think I'm hoping Governor Stein knows, all right, the woke crap is over with. If he wants to stay in position, because he in in his position, he's gonna have to do something because it's it's North Carolina is North Carolina is a red state.

SPEAKER_01 6:54

Yeah, with a blue governor.

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With a blue governor.

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We have for a long time, man. It's weird. Um, yeah, I don't I don't see how that happens um election after election. You know, we we vote for the president um red, but the governor blue. I don't understand it. But me neither. Um weird. Um did you speaking of that? Have you seen this lady running? They call her potato that's running for uh the governor, uh Greasy Gavin Newsom's spot in California.

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Potato Potato, no.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Oh, it's this lady, man. There's an interview where she had a total meltdown. She was just being interviewed, ask questions, and she just totally freaked out. And then like they showed other clips of her, just um, dude, what is wrong with California, man? What is it in your water? Or what are y'all what's happening out on the West Coast?

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It it's it's all kind of weird anyway.

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I don't think everybody's screwed up over there, but there's a lot of people y'all put in power that are really screwed up.

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Uh yeah. Yeah, and and I don't I don't understand it.

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It's weird, you know, go Portland's mayor, Portland's governor. Weird, weird, all West Coast. What's up?

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But beautiful, like outside LA, it's beautiful.

West Coast Politics Rant

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Yeah, yeah. We were out there. I've I've never been to up in Washington State, but uh had a relative that lived there, and um, it was a pretty place and pictures I saw.

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Gotcha, gotcha. Well, um I'm gonna quit messing with this anyway. So other than that, what's going on in the world? Oh, dude, uh I know I've been gone, and but I did try to catch up on some news while I was gone. I saw what it blew up another boat last week.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

Yeah, yeah, that's good stuff. Uh I'm like I'm liking that stopping the drugs, coming into the country.

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Be happy. But because of that, they have been warning Americans not to go to Mexico because of that we have cut the the main the veins. Their source of money, yeah, there's their main source of cartel, yep. That they're they're kidnapping uh Americans and holding them hostage for money. Who knows? Yeah. I mean it it sounds it would I mean it sounds strange. It makes sense. I mean it makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

Yeah, you cut somebody's source off, they they do violent retaliation type things, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:08

At Mexico don't care, man, because I I I was telling you the story uh before the show. Uh I had a buddy of mine that I I've known him forever. Uh he's a he's a U.S. citizen. He's from Mexico, but he's a U.S. citizen now. He's right. And he does a lot of paintings here in North County. He's well known. Uh Cornelius Campos. Hey buddy, if you're listening, hey buddy. Uh he told me his niece one time uh went into Mexico. They killed her, they stuffed her body with drugs and tried to bring it back across the border.

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That's demonic.

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It is.

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Yeah. It is, and that's what we're that's what we're they're dealing, we're dealing with. You're you're dealing with people who have no um care for life at all. No.

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I mean, no whatsoever. And it's it's sad that it's sad to say. Uh I'm it's horrible. Uh I'm hoping one day it'll stop. And let's see. What else? Uh how about the peace deal?

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Yeah.

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Uh mentioned that about the stuff. I saw on the news this morning that there's a bunch of uh there's a bunch of yeah, we mentioned that.

Cartels, Kidnappings, And Border Drugs

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Yeah, that's looking like it's going to go through at this moment. Um looks very, very much like it's gonna happen. Um that's awesome.

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Yeah. Yeah, I I'm I if if he can make this thing stop and get the hostages back and and it it's uh it's over with, hopefully we won't have to hear these damn purple haired liberals that are screaming free Palestine, free Palestine, you know, like like you live over there or something, you know, like whatever.

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Uh oh yeah, yeah. The Subarus can scrape off their Palestine and their all their stickers, all that whatever flavor of the week it is that they want to support. You can change your profile picture back.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

Oh man, this is awesome. Oh, so I I didn't I know I hadn't I didn't say it say this, we're gonna talk about this, but got to bring it up a little bit. Uh Chad has uh, you know, we've been always been looking for somebody to uh work the Brunswick County area because me and Chad live in you know the opposite side. Yeah, and sometimes it's hard, it's a lot it's hard for us to get down there sometimes.

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Yeah, it's hard to get there quickly, and you know, you gotta have it planned out. So it we need somebody quick.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

Yeah, so we I think we found him. I think we found him. Uh she's here, yeah. She's here in the background. She's not making any noise right now. Cleaning, which is yeah, because we we we are double plus we're like two dudes and like a live with each other. We don't see it.

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This is like a dirty uh bathroom, like a like a gas station bathroom.

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I always don't see on camera here.

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Stay tight, stay tight in that frame.

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Stay tight in that frame. We got shit everywhere. We I wish I could turn the camera around right now. There's a homeless guy sitting in the bench in front of our office.

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True, true. He's enjoying the show. He's trying to get a cigarette. I think he's looking at her though more than more than us. You're putting on a good show for him.

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Good job.

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I do like the shirt she's wearing, by the way. She's got an off-the-hook shirt. Yeah, you know, everybody. We did the sporting one today. The new uh one of the new ones here, and you got the uh I got the hog tide the hog tide, which I love that color combo and that artwork. That's awesome. I'm telling you, man. I have the uh yeah, he's got the octopus. There we go.

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There we go, right there, right there.

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With the uh trident.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, I think I've got I got that octopus one, but it's in different color. But wait till you see what I got coming. Oh, I cannot wait. I've already got mine on order. Mine's on back order right now because we're just still waiting.

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The trigger fish. Yes. And you'll and you'll it all comes together when you see it.

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All right. Can't wait. So, all right, so on to our story here. Um, I had a something uh lined up for us, but uh our internet sucks right now. Horrible.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Yeah. Um are we going into the story story?

Introducing A New Team Member

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I was gonna try to, but uh okay. Um so this is a story can we even can I even do this? I don't even know. All right, never mind.

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So anyway, go ahead. So this is a story about Skippy. Yes. How original, right? Right. Skippy. Skippy Skippy. Skippy the Bond Skip. Yep. We were not really looking hard for a name, were we?

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No, we won't.

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It works, it's functional, whatever.

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Um so this is the one I I wrote the Bond, but this is where where I was out of town doing something uh on another case. He was uh Chad was here and he was working on your grandmother reminded you of the story. Yeah, my yeah, my grandma, and she'll I'm sure she'll be watching this. Hey, mama.

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Hey, yeah, so she reminded you. So thanks, grandma, for reminding us. Like I said, we're starting to forget some of these stories. Yeah. Um, but this guy, uh drug-related, uh$15,000 bond. Brunswick County. Brunswick County.

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Um I don't think he took a shower like in the past like few weeks when we it was that it was nasty, bro.

The Skippy Case Begins

SPEAKER_01 14:35

No, definitely. Um, so you know, I do my thing. I'm on social media, I'm I'm cruising, I'm looking, you know, I'm finding his circle, I'm getting closer and closer.

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Well, daddy's the co-signer too.

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Dad's the co-signer. Um, he disappeared for a while. And uh eventually, uh I think it was like a couple of weeks into the bond.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

I want to say Slammer Pix was involved. Okay. And I think Daddy saw it. Daddy knew it was for real.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

So SlammerPix, I would take um, I take pictures, my website, I put uh I'll put pictures in it of people, and then I'll do my SEO search engine optimization, uh, run it up in the ranks. So any Google search, you're gonna see my guy picture. That's the purpose of it, is to drive it up. That way it can be found easily because that's that's the purpose of SEO. Anyway, I think dad found the uh the article with the picture and he said uh I think he reached out to you. Yeah, yeah, he called me, and so he said he hadn't seen the sun um in a while. And we're like, all right, we're gonna monitor it, we're gonna keep looking. Um it was some weeks later he calls us up, and I think you were gone. How'd it go? Something like that.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Yes, I was gone. I well, I was gone, but when I came back, out me, my grandma, and my son were down um doing something at around Brunswick County, in or around Brunswick County.

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Right.

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You had you had gotten up with dad, and dad finally got up with you and said, Hey, sometimes he comes out and sleeps. Yeah, he sleeps in the shed.

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He's all messed up and he goes in the shed and he passes out or something like that.

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Yeah, I'm like, the shed, it's gotta be hot as hell in there.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Yeah, it was warm. Yeah, it was warm then, yeah. So that'd be stupid hot in that thing.

SPEAKER_02 16:31

So we're out riding, me and my grandma and my son are riding around. And you've been working at K, so you know more about than I did.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

I I was, you know, I was in on it, but I was I was doing I get the call and I and I say, Hey Rob, I call you up. I say, Look, man, I just got a call from uh from dad. Um, dude, we're looking for Skippy. He's in the his dad said he's right there right now. He's passed out in the uh the little shed behind the house. And uh, you know, I don't know how long he's gonna be there, but he's there right now. Right. So, you know, we get these calls, and like you pretty much gotta just drop everything you're doing if you want to make this happen.

Dad Tips, SEO, And The Lead

SPEAKER_02 17:10

Well, if you hadn't drop grandma off, because I wasn't uh I was in routes.

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So so I call Rob, tell him he's like, Well, I got you know Ed and my grandma, and you know, I'm like, Well, meet me over there.

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So I alright, so we are already me and Chad already discussed what was gonna happen if we got him. Grandma and my son will get in the truck with me, with Chad here, and I would go take him to jail because I had the paperwork on me.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Right, you had you had the you keep the file just in case. Yeah. So um I book it over there, put eyes on the place, then he shows up, grandma, son, him, and then we parked. What was like we parked like well, we didn't have to worry about it too much. He was in the he was in the back, supposedly, passed out, right?

SPEAKER_02 17:58

Yes, he he was in the he was in the shed passed out. That's what daddy told us.

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So we um we run up, we pull up, we get out, we circle the little building. We tell grandma to stay in the car with your son, you know. Yeah, and uh we go back there, and sure enough, dude was still there. Yeah, and he looked, like I said, he looked like he ain't gonna be. So it was hot, and you know how hot it gets in a little shed in the south here and uh in the summertime, he was not smelling too.

SPEAKER_02 18:26

There was no air conditioners, no, dude was so of course Chad was like, Yeah, I'll take your grandma.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

I'll take it. Good luck with that, Rob. Take it, take it.

SPEAKER_02 18:37

I'm going, God, I can't I cannot wait for uh the newbie so we could do that with the newbie. Oh yeah. I can't wait.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

So she's got some experiences uh that she's gonna tell us about, you know, um off camera here. About she's gonna be uh helpful, I think.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

I I really I I I'm really I'm excited because it kind of you know it helps us out.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Yeah. Uh in some other avenues.

Shed Sting And Arrest

SPEAKER_02 19:04

Yeah, because I'm you know, I'm getting kind of like I'm busy with the PI stuff too, just as much as I am with bonding stuff. Right. And it's it's gonna help out. So I'm very appreciative of that. Um so we anyway, we go inside the shed, we we we put him in handcuffs, and he's talking shit to us. Yeah, and I'm going like, whatever, dude, whatever. You know, he's a little scrawny thing. And you go, we go switch everybody out of vehicles. I go to my truck, I put him in a truck, back seat, seatbelt, headed to Brunswick County. And he talks shit the whole entire time. You know, I just kind of ignored him. Whatever, dude. You're in handcuffs. This is the wrong position to talk shit. Uh get him to the jail, throw him in, boom. He's he's there. Bon C, he can't get out.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

Yeah, Bon C that means you miss more than two times, and uh no bondsman will touch you. There's a law in our state that for Bon C's that's on the paperwork.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

Right.

What A Bond C Really Means

SPEAKER_01 20:03

And this is and honestly, I think this holds people in jails a little bit too much. Um that I just don't I don't really agree with that. Don't say, Chad. Well, I'm I'm informing everybody what a Bon C is and what it's about because we know the average cost in the jail per day per person is about a hundred bucks, right? Right. So you got people that are sitting in jail under these bond Cs. I'd like to know the math, but on average. But unnecessarily, we can't we we can, but we don't want to because we'll have to pay the bond in full if they miss again. But normally we have 150 days in our state to go find them, you know, um put them back in jail, so it would be on us. But this ties our hands. I mean, it would be unfair. Let's say it's a$10,000 bond. Bon C, we get them out, and dude's alarm clock doesn't go off. He has a flat tire, whatever. He can't get a ride, whatever. Well, doesn't matter. We have to pay the$10,000. Are you gonna do that? No, nobody in the right mind would you be out of business soon. Yep. So um that's what I mean by people unnecessarily sitting in jail under Bon C's. In his case, I don't know, but you you figure that out when you get the call, you know. You know, the dad would have obviously said, hey, I don't think it's a good idea. He he skipped and we barely got him.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

So well, you know, uh uh that it kind of rem you said this story reminded me of you another uh yeah, long, long time ago before you came along, um we had a case where um a lady got her grandson out and um he disappeared like this.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

Drugs drugs does a hell of a thing to people. Yeah, it does. You know? Uh put you in positions that you never thought you'd be in. It's$20,$20. And uh, you know, uh I got a friend right now that you know called me from jail that I went to high school with and uh dude was not like this. He uh he called me from jail and I said, Where you been, dude? Oh, I live behind Lowe's in the woods. Like, good God, man. Yeah. That's I sitting your rock bottom, don't you think?

SPEAKER_02 22:17

Uh you remember my best friend Blake?

SPEAKER_01 22:18

Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:19

He's he's dead now because of O D.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

Well, yeah, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, he yeah, he's left family behind, right?

SPEAKER_02 22:26

Yeah.

Addiction’s Toll And Personal Loss

SPEAKER_01 22:27

Remember, we met his wife. Got three kids. Um, but this case, uh, a lady called me. Um we bonded her. Uh it's either a son or grandson, I can't remember. But uh guy was on drugs, bad. He he ended up living in her shed. I don't know what it is. I mean, people will hell it downtown at our office here. I got a dude that's got a little cardboard thing underneath the the where I park my car in front of it behind the fence. I see him laying there every morning. I mean, we got it's more and more down here in Wilmington. Um looking at some right now, as a matter of fact. Um like zombies around here. I don't know what they're on. But um, right, jeez. Um, but anyway, this guy um she called to tell me that he was um in her shed up there and uh and died. So, you know, you get those. I mean, uh dude, I you know, that's another thing about being on these bonds and having to having to find people. I might I had one dude one time, man, I mean I'm ruining it for another another episode. That's another one I just thought of. I had a guy call me and was like, hey, um, did you hear about Bill? You know? I'm like, what do you mean? Uh you think I don't just focus on your particular bond. I mean, this has been a year later. I'm like, I don't know what's going on with Bill. They're in they're they're in a town two hours from us that we did a bond on a year earlier. Like he died. Died in a Taco Bell bathroom, had a heart attack, drug related. Damn. Well, I you think I I found that out. Thank you for calling. That's that's the purpose of a co-signer is to let us know what's going on. Yeah, we'll look his name up and see if he's still on bombs. Right. So then we have to figure out where they where the the deceased is, where they uh ended up, because he might die somewhere, but you you're buried somewhere else, right? Yeah, well, I I guess uh I've had to look up a few death certificates and and finding the actual certificate can be tricky sometimes because you die in one place, you're buried in another, or you're from another area, and that becomes tricky. But you have to produce that to the courts in order for us to get relief from the bond, or else we gotta pay. Yeah, you know, there's so many things that you know we we have to do, so many hoops we have to jump through. Right. People just don't understand, man. This is not the easiest thing in the world to do.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

Nope. I'm glad we have only had to do that a few times with death certificate because that's you know, I that's a little tricky too with the with a D with a school board attorney.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

Yeah, yeah.

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Because he's like, Oh, it's fake.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

I'm like, there there have been some some cases where bondsmen have faked them. Yeah. And uh, like literally one dude faked one, and later on, um somebody actually saw the guy fishing. I remember the story.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

Oh, I think I remember you telling me something like that.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

Yeah, and it and then somehow it all got back, and that dude and that ended up that bondsman ended up getting fried by the Department of Insurance.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

Good.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

We're faking it. Yeah, I mean, you know, shouldn't have faked it, dude. Damn. Anyway. Well, cool.

SPEAKER_02 25:47

Well, this uh this has been a good episode. I'm glad we uh I'm glad that my grandma brought this up to us.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Yeah, thanks, Granny, for reminding us of the story.

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All right, guys. Well, it's been uh it's been a good episode, it's been a good day for so far. Uh I'm Rob. I'm Chad, what's up? And we look forward to seeing you again next week.

Death Certificates And Bond Relief

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