Episode #149: Emily Kohan on Recruiting

🏐 What Division I Volleyball Recruiting Really Looks Like | Emily Kohan 

In Part 2 of this conversation on the Significant Recruiting Podcast, Matt Rogers sits down with Emily Kohan, NCAA Division I Head Volleyball Coach at Colorado State University, to break down what the recruiting process actually looks like from a coach’s perspective.

Coach Kohan pulls back the curtain on how Division I programs evaluate athletes, how early the recruiting timeline really starts, and what families need to understand about visibility, communication, and realistic expectations in today’s volleyball landscape.

This episode provides practical insight for players, parents, and club or high school coaches who want to better understand the realities of Division I recruiting.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• When Division I volleyball coaches start identifying prospects
• How video and online presence impact recruiting
• How many athletes coaches actually evaluate vs. offer
• What it means to be “recruitable” at the Division I level
• Why going where you’re valued matters more than chasing a label

If your athlete has goals of playing college volleyball, this conversation will give you perspective, clarity, and a better understanding of how to approach the process with intention.

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On the latest edition of the Significant coaching Podcast, the recruiting focus presentation of the coach, Matt Rogers YouTube channel. Also available audio only everywhere you get your favorite podcasts. I'm your host Matt Rogers. Before we jump in, if you're a volleyball family trying to bring order to a process that moves fast, I encourage you to grab my book, significant Recruiting and the New Volleyball Recruits Journal. You can find them all and all our books, classes, blogs, and former podcast guests@coachmattrogers.com in part two of my conversation today with NCAA Division one head coach, Emily Cohan of Colorado State University. We pull back the curtain on what Division one volleyball recruiting actually looks like right now. How staffs are evaluating how video gets you on the radar, how early the timeline really starts, and why being searchable online matters more than most families realize. If you're a parent or a high school or club coach with daughters and teenage girls with big dreams of playing at the Division one level, this conversation will give you a ton of perspective and probably a big dose of reality. I want to give a big shout out to Hall of Fame coach Ruth Nelson, one of the great friends of the show for connecting me with Coach Cohan. Alright, here's my conversation with Emily Cohan. Coach, we just had a great conversation about building your program and how you see the landscape of college volleyball, which was awesome. I learned so much. I'm taking a thousand notes. I want to give great thanks to a mutual friend of ours, Ruth Nelson, first for introducing us to each other. Yeah. What does it mean to you to have those Hall of Fame coaches that think so highly of you and believe in you and have your back like a Ruth does? Oh man. I made a post when I came here to Colorado State. And Tom got his, I think, 800th victory and I made an Instagram post and I was like, my bio will read. I served really legendary coaches. My boss before Tom was Terry Kovich, who was the US national team coach for 12 years. So I've had great opportunities and I've just wanted to serve them right. And I just wanna learn and soak up everything about them. And big believer in surrounding yourself with people you wanna be like, I wanna be like Ruth and I wanna be like Terry Kovich and Tom. And they were able to have these really long, successful careers. They weren't just flash in the pans and they treated people well along the way too. Right there, there's a right way to do it. And, i've been very intentional about who I want to be around and trying to seek out opportunities to work for them and just learn from them. And and then it's better off. I have moments where I need everybody's advice and I can pick up the phone and they're happy to answer and give me their wisdom. That's great. I love that. And it's a great transition to recruiting because I wanna talk about your staff. Because you were a great assistant coach, associate head coach before you took over the program and you talk about the loyalty and the giving that has to come from assistant coach. So that's great advice to all those assistant coaches out there that want to be a head coach at some point, but what that sacrifice looks like first. So talk a little bit about your staff, what they mean to you and your program and maybe break down some of the roles that you've delegated that are really important for you to balance you out. Yeah, I think first I wanna say to all assistant coaches, you're never gonna be with somebody that you agree with everything they do, right? That is not what makes a great relationship. In fact, I don't want assistant coaches that agree with everything that I'm going to do. So first let's normalize. There's going to be conflict and there's going to be times where you think they should play Susie and they play Sally. And I think a great. Gift in any job is being able to have productive dialogue and be professional about how you disagree with someone to sit at the table and have a great dialogue about disagreeing with someone and not just being a yes man is a gift. I was that I feel like for my bosses, but at the end of the day, they had to pick and if they pick Susie I'm gonna make Susie the best dang option You ever did pick? Yeah. And so one of the things in switching from assistant to head coach is how exhausting your decision making brain gets at the end of a day and at the end of the week. And man, I text that a lot to my bosses of you had to decide so much. And metimes I'd chirp and be like, that's the wrong decision, that's the wrong thing to do, but somebody's gotta decide something and then go with it. Yeah. So I think great assistance, and I have two wonderful assistants, and honestly, the world's best operations person, she's been here over 25 years. And they do that, right? That they have their own ideas and they come ready on January 1st by saying, here's how we're gonna make Hallie Jamison better. And Hey, let's run the offense faster. And I'm like, Nope, we're not gonna run the offense faster. And they're like, great let's make it the most efficient, medium offense you've ever heard. And coming with great ideas, but then also once a decision's made and it's not your idea, don't pout about it and be able to be supportive in what that decision is, I think is the crux of what makes a really productive staff that'll get the most out of each other. I agree. And the fruit that comes from that chaos and that conflict and those high level conversations. I can go back and I look at the years where I was just like, Nope, we're gonna do it this way. And I look back and go, gosh, I should have listened a little bit more. We needed to be a little bit more flexible in that decision. Yeah. But I'm glad I got pushed. By my staff on that, so I'm with you there. Talk about, we call it holding court. We sit at a table and I'll. I'll be like, Hey, you're gonna argue for the blue route. You're gonna argue for the red route. Yep. I don't care what you personally believe. You got two hours to prepare your arguments. And we're gonna sit here and we're gonna pro and con this out, and then we're gonna decide. And so every once in a while we'll hold court. And again, two people just gotta argue why each one would be the best answer and pick each other's arguments apart. And then at the end of it, it helps me really sit back and be like, all right, here's why we're gonna do that one. It's the same thing you'll find in any law office, any political science office, any journalist's office. You're gonna find that same thing. And those are such powerful resources to utilize and take advantage of. All right let's roll into recruiting with your staff. How do you break down how you guys recruit? Who's responsible for what role you wanna play in that? Where do you get involved? I think the transfer portal has changed every division one program's idea of what recruiting is. We don't have the five year out matrix of what our roster's gonna look like. 10 years ago I had a matrix that I knew four years out, what that roster is gonna look like. Me too. Yeah. So you're in a year by year decision of what you're able to retain, what you're able to get from the transfer portal, what those freshmen end up looking like. We still do recruit freshmen and high school kids. So there is going to the traditional volleyball tournaments and data mining through that technology has helped that out. I rarely show up at a tournament without having seen video on a kid right there. There's not the blind, like just walking around the convention center. Yep. So here's my advice to kids, right? Make sure your video is available online, that if I Google you, I know who I'm coming to watch and what your athleticism and gifts are like. But then we also, we save a scholarship probably every transfer portal period, at least one scholarship. Just for the Colorado kid that wants to go home. You might not think you need a setter, but if the right setter wants to come home and be in our program, we're gonna make sure we, we have the opportunity to add that kid to the roster. Also 10 years ago you committed everything out, right? And we do keep a little bit of a slush fund now, just in case the right kid wants to join your program in that transfer cycle. I see that you got three kids. Three, I think you have three Colorado kids going into this year, right? Yep. I'm so glad you talked about it.'cause that was actually my next question. Where does anybody at the admin level at Colorado State tell you that, Hey, I, you gotta have some Colorado kids on your roster? Is that you? Is that you saying We are the state school in Colorado. It's important that we're having a few kids on that roster. Where does that begin and end with you? I definitely personally believe that I say that to our staff and our recruiting coordinator, Kevin, of I wanna recruit this state really well. Yeah. And we want the best kids playing in front of those fans and choosing us over CU Boulder. And so me personally, as a Colorado kid I, I wanna work really hard within this. State. And then each institution I have peers that have a specific number of in-state versus out-of-state spots on their roster. So some admins do guide that decision for you. I'm very lucky that our admin says, Hey, you gotta find the best kids no matter where they're from. So I don't have. Strict parameters from our admin or our university, but I personally just love coaching Colorado kids. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And we just have some fantastic clubs. We have some really good clubs in the state that are very competitive and we're producing all Americans out of Colorado, so there's a pool here that you can go after and you can do really well. How many times and you don't have to get specific with me, how many times are you going after that kid? That can go anywhere they want outta Colorado and they'd really like to stay at home, but every time. Every time I go after'em we have a tiering system in our recruiting database. And I call'em Tier Zeros. Yeah. They're stretches, they're gonna have the choice to go to any school in this country. But you know what, we'd be fools not to go after them. Yeah. And quite often, sometimes the T zeros don't choose us in high school, but they might get to that top tier and not have the playing time or the role that they really desired and transfer back home. Yeah. So sometimes they're second round kids and we've had great. Luck with those kids choosing to come back home as well. And it's a long game. You might get told no by the 16-year-old, but the 19-year-old version sometimes will come home to you. That's the fun part, that's when you know you did something right. Yeah. You're doing it, you're doing it the right way. When they realize that. Their best option was the one they should have taken, or maybe they needed to go fail a little bit before they realized where they belonged. I wanna talk about the speed of the game. And when you're watching film, when you're watching live, when you're at a tournament or you're just you put up a film what are you looking for in terms of the speed of the game and how do you define it for that mom and dad out there that needs to understand the difference between high school and your level? Yeah, I think the physicality part is huge, right? The, just the literal size of the humans in the gym, unless you're a libero and Ds, right? Yeah. Starts just getting bigger and bigger. And you could, you're gonna be big at six foot one in most club gyms, in high school gyms, and that would be one of the shortest front row players for us, right? We're 6 7, 6 4, 6 4. And there are the literal size and the jump touch metrics of how high they play above the net and then the miles per hour of how hard they hit that ball as an attacker are non-negotiable things that we can get with data. Some of the softer skill positions of setters and liberos. Those can, you can be a little bit smaller and, I'm gonna say not the best athlete that's winning the 400 meter, but you gotta have the skill and the touch on the ball to. Be delivering the ball where it needs to go. Exactly. And I am really good at watching film on attackers and being able to judge if they're gonna be terminal and effective in our gym. I need to, for Liberos and setters, watch pretty full matches. How are you decision making and Yeah. Over the aggregate, like a highlight reel for a libero is a little harder for me to get on top of.'cause I wanna see you're touching the ball. 50, a hundred times a game. I need 48 of those to be at this level. And so just the consistency part for those two particular positions takes me a little bit more time to evaluate. How much are you watching their Eyes coach at any position in terms of anticipating?'cause I think that's where a lot of parents don't understand and maybe some high school coaches don't get it either. Is that anticipation really was what creates that speed and being able to be, I'm already a step where I'm gonna be before that ball's even hit. Where are you at with that and how you watch that? Yeah, I think rookie volleyball, people watch the ball. And whether that's parents or coaches or players that. Your time spent watching the ball as a good coach is very minimal, right? You have a wide field of vision. You're watching you're able to pick up, six different things at once versus just staring at the ball that you can see that the right front person did this when the left front person did this. And so very young players, honestly. And we're watching 15 year olds watch the ball a. And they have to be taught and with experience and with some good coaching, right? They widen out their vision and they start watching the people more than the ball. Yeah. And yeah, we pay attention to that. Does it surprise me when a high school kid's staring at the ball a whole lot? No. Does it surprise me honestly when a freshman in our gym is staring at the ball a lot? No. Listen, if we're gonna become all Americans, we're gonna learn to watch the game like a coach. And those are things you can help teach them though. Yeah. Are you, are there things when you're watching, we'll just play with back row'cause that's where you were, are there things that you're watching, maybe a, an early shoulder turn or a, an early pivot? Are there things that you're just like, okay, I gotta see more? Is there things that just pop in your head where you're like, that's what I'm looking for? There's people that before the game even starts, before the ball's served or anything, they make adjustments based on what that other team's doing. Who's on the other side? Is the center front row and the high IQ players that are chattering to their teammates before that ball's even in play about making adjustments and, Hey, watch the, that this is coming at you. I love that. Those are captains, those are coaches, those are the floor leaders. And those are honestly things that are harder to teach, that you pick it up, you see it, and then you're assertive and confident enough to say it and direct your teammates into it. So that's what gets me being like, wow, this kid is playing a whole different chess game when everyone else is just staring at the ball. Yeah we've got we've got so many kids now where mom and dad are paying for the extra training and the one-on-one. How important is just watching, going to watch Colorado State in your gym watching these great Big 10, big 12 Pac 12 big West Games on TV and watching your position where? Where do you weigh that out? Yeah, I think coming live, you can't replace it'cause you can choose what you watch. Yeah. I love streaming. It's available and there is no excuse now in 2026 to not watch professional volleyball. Yeah. When I was in college you couldn't watch professional volleyball. Nope. So they can consume as much as they want. When you watch it on the phone, sometimes the phone tracks that are you're streaming, right? It tracks the ball and you're just at the mercy of what the camera crew is doing. And so going live, if you have the opportunity to go into those gyms live and see the physicality, see the size and speed, and then choose to watch your position player as they're diving around, I think that that's a gift that will only make you separate yourself from your peers even more. I agree. I agree. Alright let's talk about, let's just use this year as an example. How many kids did you bring in this year? We had, oh man, in 2025, we had nine new players on our roster and they're all returning. Five, just graduated. Five graduated. So four of those nine are back and then eight returners are back again. Yeah. Is that right? And then we add in five freshmen and a transfer in the summer. Okay we can talk about 2026 class or we can talk about a year back. Tell me where you start recruiting that group. Especially, we'll focus on the freshmen when you find them and go, okay, this is a kid we wanna put on our list. We wanna track, we wanna make sure we're seeing live 2, 3, 4 times, whatever that may be, before we get'em to an ID camp or get'em in for a visit. Talk about where that begins for you so parents understand this doesn't happen. In August of their senior year. Sure, yeah. We open our recruiting calendar for volleyball on Friday. All right. That is January 16th as I'm looking at that, and it's the first time I can go out and watch this club season. I am going out on Sunday to watch the class of 2028. That is sophomores. And we have a list, a very good list that our recruiting coordinator has created for those sophomores. They can't make decisions or we can't directly talk with them until June, right? But our list is very targeted for what that sophomore class is. People will get added, people will get subtracted over the next few months, but, for volleyball, specifically freshman and sophomore year, are huge for us evaluating and figuring out who we're gonna offer on June 15th of, between sophomore and junior year. I think this is a really important number for parents and high school coaches to understand. June 15th is six months away on the nose, right? How many kids will you offer and how many kids will accept that offer on typical. Volleyball. Volleyball has 18 roster spots at division one. So if you just do the math of that, there's about four in every class. That's been about on average what we are bringing in. Some of the really high level programs are starting to bring in less and less players. So they might bring in four new players every year, but two are freshmen and two are transfers. But, four roster spots for every school in any given year. And, we go five deep for each one of those spots of who we're really on June 15th, like going after. Yep. Some of them might say no on June 15th because their Dream School of Nebraska offers them and then they're off the table. And some of them might be Colorado kids who on June 15th say yes right away'cause we are their dream school. But we try to whittle this down and be really targeted for about five per spot. And again. The averages. There's four spots on a college team every year for volleyball. So you probably will make no more than 20 offers in a single year knowing you want to get your four. Yeah. Definitely not more than 20. Yeah. And if you're if things are going really well, it's seven or eight and you're getting your four and you're done. Yeah. Of that, let's say there's 20 kids that you would offer. How many will your staff look at in a year? Oh, hundreds. Hundreds and hundreds. Yeah. Yeah. And again, look at is not always just at the tournaments live, right? We watch a lot of video now and that's a gift for our budgets, for my time away from my family that I can go evaluate through. Video and it could just be YouTube video, right? It could be your Instagram account. You don't have to pay a recruiting service for this. But make sure your video's on there and I can track your progress, right? I can go watch who you were in high school and come June. If we haven't made improvements in certain areas, like that's a red flag for me. So I really love what video can do for a lot of reasons and time, money improvement and being able to watch that. Yeah. And then some of it is in person. When I go out on Sunday I'm watching 40 kids in person yeah. I think that's the hard thing for a lot of people is I wanna see your freshman film. You may not have been very good, but I wanna see how much faster are you playing now as a sophomore? How much more physical are you? How much are you anticipating? Yep. So having that length of your historical film is really important.'cause you may love them as a junior or as a sophomore, but maybe they didn't improve much as a freshman. Maybe there wasn't more. They're really good as sophomore, but man, they were the same player as a freshman. And does that affect you? Man, we have a kid on our team, she's a freshman right now, that sophomore year comes to camp. We had recruited her and we were like, no, we're not gonna offer you. And a year goes by and she ret texted us and re emailed us and goes, Hey, I had a growth spurt and I think you should rewatch me. And she said this and it. Oh my gosh, that's the same person. And so immediately I remember this email and I've saved it, and like within 10 minutes I'm like, Hey, Sylvie, we gotta talk, right? And we are offering you a scholarship. And but yeah, sometimes just literally you'll go through a growth spurt or have some things that, that change within your recruiting matrix. You didn't need a setter. Now you need a setter. That it's never over. Let, I'm gonna get into the weeds with you a little bit. I've, and this is a great example'cause it happened to me yesterday. One of my kids sent me a text from a college coach and I texted the young man back and I said this kid's got three offers on the table. He is got 10, 12 coaches talking to him. I said, this is the communication you've been waiting for. And he was like, really? And I go, yeah. I go read it. This coach has watched you, knows you was specific in the text, why they like you. How do I know you like me? How do you know? How do I, if I'm a 16, 15-year-old girl, high school girl, how do I know you like me, man? It probably depends on the phase of the recruiting cycle for the kids that I'll watch on Sunday. I'm not allowed to directly talk with them yet, so you're gonna have to, talk to your recruiting coordinator. Do I interact with you on social media? Yeah. So for whatever's legal in each phase, if you can legally talk back and forth between a coach and a player directly. I hope a coach is really direct with it. If they're not saying, I love you and I'm offering you, and I think you can be this within your program, then what they're not saying is saying a lot. It's right. And there's certain kids that are like, I wanna take a risk and go be a walk-on at this school and show that I can earn it. And we've had players that do that for Colorado State and end up being great for us. And I applaud their kind of chops to believe in themselves to do that and to earn their way into that. But for the most part, my advice to families is you wanna go somewhere that you are loved and that there's a plan for you. That's the dream. Would you recommend they look, if they're not getting that D one love, they're not getting that D one attention. Do you recommend that they really listen then to the D three coaches that are giving them love and the NAI and the D two coaches that are giving them that love and say, go to where you love and if you dominate there, then we'll see what happens. Are you in that mindset? Yeah, I think again, I you wanna go to an experience where you are going to be valued and loved and the people are the right fit, right? Maybe the major is the right fit. I think JUCO coaches are gonna come out on top of all these rule changes because as we don't recruit as many freshmen and traditional high school kids, they still wanna play. Yeah. And JUCO has absolutely the mentality of you come for two years and then you're gone, or one year. Yeah. They're not trying to keep you forever. And so there's certain programs that is the plan, that it is a temporary and then they're gonna help you go to the next level. And I think there's really great opportunities at all sorts of levels to have a good experience. I agree. Is it gonna, in your opinion, are we gonna end up in a five year world exper in terms of Yeah. I watched football last week past. Because we can't get this automatic fifth year. They just modified their red shirt rule. Yeah. That they can now play in nine games and still red shirt. It's crazy. Which is a fifth year, right? Yeah. Very few of them are healthy enough to play in nine games anyways. Yeah. And so I think the coaches and the legislative bodies, even if the NCAA doesn't wanna grant a full fifth year and eliminate red shirts, that the red shirt rules are now just gonna get lacks and it will be like a fifth year. Anyways, I thought the point of the change they made last summer was gonna be they were gonna eliminate the red shirt. We were gonna maximize your calendar, we, or maximize your roster, maximize full scholarship for that roster size, and we're gonna eliminate the red shirt. What came of that? Yeah, I think there's still some discussions in fighting for what that could be like. A lot of the NCAA direct NCAA feedback to our compliance departments has been, Hey, no, five for five yet, right? They sent out a memo and there's still lots of court cases that are fighting for this, but football's again kinda loophole for next year is the loopholes play in a lot of games in redshirt. Always the crazy loophole for football. It drives me crazy. Is junior college kids going to get that extra year? Are they gonna be able to get that three or four years of eligibility if they've played two at juco? Do you see that happening? I probably see it happening. The waiver from paa was a one year waiver, so it's not this permanent thing. I could see that happening. And I think the D two legislation right now is, changing how they'll do it and which might impact the D one model two. It's gotta impact you.'cause the D two kid, you might want a D two kid after that third year, right? Yep. Yep. They might wanna move up. Yep. So that's, it's just, it's crazy. I hope we figure some of this out soon for your sake and for the kids' sake. Coach, you've been awesome. I don't wanna take up too much of your time. I want to, I wanna leave our conversation with some advice from you. Let's start with co, with high school kids that wanna play at Colorado State or just wanna play college volleyball. Yeah. What advice would you give them to pursue that dream? To get coaches' attention to even get on the radar of somebody like you. Yeah. Again, you gotta be great at your craft. You gotta be passionate at your craft, so you gotta love volleyball for the right reasons. And then just do a good job being Googleable. I think that's something that you can control and you don't have to pay anyone. You can pay people but you don't have to, and you gotta have, everybody's got a phone and Instagram, they have. Have a way for me to be able to analyze if you are a good fit for me. Be detailed in writing the email that says My grandpa went to CSU and I have an aunt that lives in Fort Collins. And that can go a long ways of why do you wanna be a part of my program? And don't expect that colleges are gonna automatically come to you. You're going to have to insert yourself and be assertive for what you're looking for and which schools you're interested in. And, start broad. I was a kid that I was like, I am going to Stanford. And that is just gonna be the way it goes, right? And if Plan A doesn't work out, you can still have a really good experience. So be pretty broad with the way you start it and then narrow the funnel down from there. I hope you've yelled at Kevin for missing on that. Oh man. It was John and it was Denise. Cor. It was John. That's right. Listen, it was on me that I choked every time they came to watch. And then my own mother said, and listen, have a parent like this. Do you think Stanford wants a player that's gonna choke in a big pressure situation? No. You're not a Stanford kid, so I gotta get your mom on the podcast. Yeah, she's intense. My mom is direct. I love it. Same advice. Let's change it a little bit. I'm a high school coach. I'm a club coach. I want a better relationship with you. I'm a club coach, high school coach here in Colorado. I want a better relationship with you. I want more. I wanna be able to get advice from you more often. I want get advice from my kids. I wanna be able to get send a kid to you. What advice do you give me? Yeah, I think be friendly. Don't be afraid to come up to us at tournaments or to send that email and say, Hey, can I come into your gym and watch practice work, work the local camps, we hope host all these camps in the summer. And we love having club coaches come in and help us with. Those and then invite us to yours. We also like going into your gyms and interacting through the camp system. And yeah just find ways to build genuine connection and relationship. And that takes being around someone and having conversations with people, right? It's not just gonna happen by wearing the logo. We gotta spend some time together. Yeah. And be patient.'cause there's only three of you. Yeah. There's only so many of you three to go around. For sure. Yeah. Last piece of advice to parents who have a recruit in their life, in their home. And what advice would you give to them? Make sure it's their dream, that it's the kid's dream, right? And that they really want to do the work. They're gonna have to do hard things. And a parent can't do the hard things for them. They can support them in the hard things. Yeah. But it's gotta be the kid's dream. And just at the end of the day, whether you win or lose, just make sure they know that you love them for more than their performance. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. The game's gotta end. You know when they step off the floor, coach, you are fantastic. I can't tell you how thankful I am for you, not only just being on the show, but that we have. You as our master teacher for volleyball in the state of Colorado and the compassion that you have and the humility that you have, and the great mom and wife that you are on top of everything else that you do in this world. So thank you for being you. Thank you for being a leader in our state for the young people in our state. And you got a huge fan in me. Thank you. Go Rams. Come watch us. There you have it. I hope you see why I wanted Coach Cohan on this show, because she didn't just give you recruiting tips. She gave you the truth, the timeline, the volume, the evaluation process, and the reality that Division one volleyball. Recruiting isn't something you stumble into your senior year. It's something you prepare for intentionally over time, and here's what I hope families took from this. You don't need to be perfect, but you do need to be proactive. You need to be visible, you need to be specific, and you need to build a game plan that matches your level of your reality as a player because the level won't adjust to you. Coach Cohan also said something that I think should really resonate with a lot of you. Go where you're loved, go where there's a plan for you. Go where the people fit, the person, not just the player. I wanna give a big thank you again to Coach Cohan for her time and her honesty, and to Hall of Fame coach Ruth Nelson for making the connection with between me and Coach. And if you want help organizing your recruitment, you can schedule a free one-on-one recruiting strategy session with me where I'll help you understand your personal reality and build you a game plan that's right for you. You can find my scheduling calendar, my book, significant Recruiting, the playbook for prospective college athletes. And our in-depth recruiting journals, including the volleyball recruits journal, and all of our many recruiting and coaching resources@coachmattrogers.com. Until next time, stay focused on what you can control. Stay humble and keep chasing significance.