The Clutter Conversations
A podcast for anyone who has ever dealt with clutter, personally or professionally.
The Clutter Conversations
Welcome to the Clutter Conversations
Have you ever wondered what it takes to transform a cluttered space into an organized oasis? Join me, Katie, as I celebrate a decade of helping people conquer their chaos in our very first episode of "Clutter Conversations"! Along with my husband and producer, Jason, we set the stage for an engaging series filled with real-life stories and expert advice to help you reclaim your space and peace of mind.
In this inaugural episode, I'll share the pivotal moment in 2014 that launched my organizing career and offer a sneak peek into the exciting interviews we have lined up. We will discuss our experience of paying off nearly $78,000 in debt (in just over 2 years, on one income, in the San Francisco Bay Area). We also briefly take a peek at one of the many services offered by LCH Organizers, Student Success Strategies.
Within the realm of The Clutter Conversations, you can anticipate
- Learning the different pathways to organization, whether you lean towards minimalism or maximalism.
- Understanding that beautiful spaces can also be functional and teaching organizational skills is more impactful than just cleaning up.
- We will discuss Marie Kondo’s evolving approach and how no one solution fits everyone.
- Learning to live the principle of not letting your belongings control you.
- Learn about the WIDE variety of specialties found in the Professional Organizing industry and resources to find someone that fits you and your needs.
Stay tuned for future episodes filled with more insights and interactive discussions. Your feedback is invaluable, and I can't wait to hear from you as we embark on this clutter-busting adventure together!
For more information or to schedule a FREE consult call with Katie, be sure to check out KCH Organizers!
Katie Grant. Hello everybody and welcome to the very first episode of the Clutter Conversations, a podcast made for anybody who has ever dealt with clutter professionally or personally. Hi everyone, this is Katie. Welcome to the first episode of the Clutter Conversations. I am so thrilled to hit play on this podcast. This is something that has been coming for a very long time and I figured what better day to celebrate the 10-year anniversary of my organizing business than to launch this podcast that has been in the works in the concept stages for many, many years. With me is my ever so handsome editor and producer, podcast extraordinaire for his own what's your Emergency podcast, my husband, jason, thank you for helping me.
Speaker 2:You're very welcome. I've been pushing you to do this for all of those many years.
Speaker 1:You have and you know what we have done a couple of teaser episodes just together, and the conversation that comes from this is exciting for me because I think sometimes, when I start to talk about moving stuff around, you're like glazing over. That's right, you know what? Thank you for validating how I'm feeling.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're welcome. I live to serve honey.
Speaker 1:You sure do, boy, do you? So that is what this podcast is. You're going to hear a little bit from me. You're going to hear a little bit from Jason. You're going to hear a little bit from organizers and people that have ever dealt with clutter, or have ever dealt with people that have ever dealt with clutter, which is really exciting. I have a great list of interviews that I have lined up, and then some of them already done. Some of them already done.
Speaker 2:So this is the key to podcasting is batch recording, and then you know when you, when you premiere your first episode you don't want to just have one and then have people like I got to wait a week. Now you drop like three or four. You know, wait, wait, your whistle if you will.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm excited you guys get to hear from a conflict coach, which is really cool, because I don't know about you guys, but we have some teenagers in the house and there's a lot of conflict about stuff. I'm a professional organizer and it's still there's a lot of conflict about it. Everybody brings their own and it's still there's a lot of conflict about it. We everybody brings their own uh perspective to the table and you know those teens, they really want to, you know, be their own person or something the worst but that's something you guys can look forward to.
Speaker 2:But that is not today's episode no, today episode, let's talk about that real quick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm very excited, so you always want to hear. When you first start listening to a podcast, you want to know, okay, a what's in it for me? B why should I listen to you? So we thought that an origin story might be the way to go. Instead of releasing the trilogy and then going back and doing an origin thing. We're just going to rip that band-aid off and go right to how you came to be. Katie Can Help KCH Organizers, et cetera, and so forth.
Speaker 1:That's great. It all starts in a cave after a plane?
Speaker 2:No, it didn't. I was there. It did not start in a cave.
Speaker 1:There was no boat. I feel like there was a boat involved.
Speaker 2:Nope.
Speaker 1:Um, actually there was kind of a boat involved.
Speaker 2:Whatever?
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, so you want the lake.
Speaker 2:There's a plane involved.
Speaker 1:There's a plane involved.
Speaker 2:And ocean water, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And snorkeling and umbrella drinks in the hot tub and swim up bars. Yeah, oh yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 2:Where's that business, because that has not been my experience.
Speaker 1:No, that is not the business, but that is how I started my business.
Speaker 2:How the business was born, if you will.
Speaker 1:How the business was born. All right, so.
Speaker 2:You tell your version and then I'll tell the truth.
Speaker 1:I'm going to. Oh, you'll tell your version and I'll tell my version.
Speaker 2:I said what I said.
Speaker 1:So my version is that my sister in 2015 said hey, I have this opportunity to go to Turks and Caicos on a blogging conference retreat. I had a blog, but I'm not really like a writer, like my sister is a writer.
Speaker 2:It was the 20 teens. We all had blogs.
Speaker 1:We all had blogs. You're right. You're right, you're very right. We all had blogs. $80,000 in debt in two years, just on his income, while I was busy having babies and running the household. He always likes to say that he made the money, but I made the money work. And so he said to me that he would support me going to this blogging conference, this tropical vacation. And I remember he said to me sure, you can go on a tropical vacation without me, but I'm not going to pay for it.
Speaker 2:And that's where I'm going to stop you. Okay, this is fun, I'm going to start taking notes, Because what I recall, the truth is that you said can I go to a blogging conference with my sister? To which I replied sure, where is it?
Speaker 1:to which you replied person carcass yeah, okay yeah, I mean, I don't know which one is like the actual truth I'm mine, I'm not. I'm not the three-eyed raven, or anything we've been re-watching game of thrones.
Speaker 2:for those of you that are in the know, yeah, I'm not the three-eyed raven.
Speaker 1:I can't see exactly what happened, but here we are Suffice it to say.
Speaker 1:Suffice it to say that was about June 14th, which happens to be, if you're listening to this, on my launch day today, 10 years ago, june 14th 2014,. I put on Facebook would anybody like me to help you in your house? I knew I didn't want to watch their kids because I had three of my own. I knew that I was good with organization and a friend from high school said yeah, you could come and I need help in this home office. It was Elfa shelving in her kitchen dining room space she had elves.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's neat I know it was super fun you think they'd be able to organize their own?
Speaker 2:shows no, their elves are not notoriously disorganized. Yeah, I feel would you say chronically disorganized elves oh, look at you dropping some knowledge.
Speaker 1:I've been listening you have been, but you know what our listeners may not know what chronic disorganization oh, oh, that's true.
Speaker 2:We'll talk about that another time. Yeah, they're going to have to tune back in to know chronic disorganization. And as the editor and producer, I should point out that initially you said June of 2015.
Speaker 1:Really, why would I have said that, yes, you did.
Speaker 2:I don't know, because I did some quick math. I'm like okay, no, okay, no, it's 10 years. No, it's if you start. If you started on that date and you counted it, then, yes, you would hit the 10 year, but it was 2014, not 2015, correct? Okay, the second time you said 2014.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to make sure that's the truth got it do you see the third eye?
Speaker 1:no, enough of the third eye raven references, I'll try to stop, anyway. So June 14th, friend says yes, I had no idea how long it was going to take, I had no idea what it was going to look like, I had no idea what I was going to charge her, because in my mind I just needed $1,500 to be able to go to Turks and Caicos with my sister by October 15th. So I had this three months of focus Just make the money, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:And that's that $1,500 over that period of time seemed fairly daunting because you had not worked outside of the home, for at that point we had been married for nine and a half years.
Speaker 1:Seven years because I was pregnant with our oldest. That's right, and I was still nannying at the time.
Speaker 2:Yes, but that was the extent of your most recent work experience was nannying, so you decided to just start a business. Well, no, I just wanted to hustle.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to make money to go on a vacation for a blogging conference. That's all I wanted. I did not think I was going to start a business because when we were getting out of debt, jason said to me if you can bring home a1,000 a month, that would be a game changer.
Speaker 1:He was working so much overtime and he was away from the family and, like I said, I was having babies while we were getting out of debt, so he was missing all of that time with our family. So when he said, yeah, you can go on this trip, but you have to make the money to make it, I had already tried Tupperware sales.
Speaker 2:I had already tried Blessings, unlimited the money to make it. I had already tried Tupperware sales. I had already tried uh blessings, unlimited blessings unlimited.
Speaker 1:Um, I had all and the other one was cool stuff though. They did have some cool stuff. The other thing was body shop at home was oh yeah, but I always felt like I was just selling people stuff and that never sat well with me which is funny considering what you do now.
Speaker 2:It's sort of anathema to all of that, it's like I needed to learn that.
Speaker 1:And so when you said you need to bring home, you know you have to make the money to make this I'm like, okay, what do I not want to do? I knew I didn't want to sell people things. And that takes startup cost too, which my rule of thumb with those multi-level marketing things was always just make your money back, and it was never this it's going to be this big moneymaker. I didn't build a team and all that we're not talking about that.
Speaker 2:That reminds me of the scene in Say Anything, when the dad asks Lloyd what he was going to do in the future, he said I don't want to sell anything but processors. It's basically the same thing.
Speaker 1:Basically, I just want to love your daughter.
Speaker 2:I want to spend as much time with her as I can.
Speaker 1:That's it. So I wanted to spend as much time as I could moving people's shit around. That's what I wanted to do Because I put out to Facebook. By the time I had this first client, she took the before and the after pictures and posted them on Facebook. Within two hours I had two more clients. That's amazing. And back then I called them gigs. It was like I said it wasn't a client, professional thing, I was just helping, I'm helping and it just. It felt so good and I would come home and I'd be like, hey, look at this, I've got $50 that I didn't have before, and it felt so amazing.
Speaker 1:Fast forward to being at the trip on October 14th that three months had passed. I made my $1,500. I had an extra $300 for spending money while I was there and I remember sitting in the hot tub by myself with that beautiful umbrella drink as the sun was setting. I don't know why more people weren't in that hot tub at that time. It was glorious. But I had this time and I remember thinking well gosh, you've made the trip, you accomplished this great thing, you really enjoyed doing it and you have people on your books for when you get home Now what.
Speaker 1:Is this a thing that you're going to do? I remember having that conversation with myself and I remember just thinking like, why wouldn't I conversation with myself? And I remember just thinking like, why wouldn't I? And 10 years later I just gathered a list of all of my clients 137 clients that I have helped in their homes in 2010. And what's important about that is it's not about the quantity, which is why that number is like wow, that's amazing For me. It's about the relationships, so that 137 people homes individual projects for specific people.
Speaker 2:And multiple projects for each of those clients. Some of them, some of them were a one and done, but a lot of them are returning clients.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's because we form a relationship and we get to know each other and it's almost like phoning a friend. You just, I just need someone. Sometimes people just need the companionship. Sometimes people need to have the handholding. And how do I make this decision? Sometimes people need the resources that I have all stuck in my brain of how can I best dispose of these items. I know I don't want them anymore, but now what? That is a really hard decision to make for some people and it's so exciting to be able to come into a home.
Speaker 1:And my specialty is chronic disorganization. And just very quickly, we have a whole episode on chronic disorganization. And just very quickly, we have a whole episode on chronic disorganization. Chronic disorganization, as described by the ICD, the Institute of Challenging Disorganization, is that you have tried for a long time to get yourself organized. You've done self-help things. It has started to affect your relationships and that there is a perception that you will fail at organization in the future. And what I do the best is to support and coach people through all of those very difficult feelings that come externally from people, from other people, family members, or how much stuff you have brought in. There's situational is the opposite side of that. Where it's we had a baby and I just need help putting away the stuff. Or I'm tired because we just had a baby and I can't catch up on laundry. That is situational. We just moved. That is situational. The chronic disorganization is a lasting thing.
Speaker 2:Follows you regardless of where you go.
Speaker 1:Exactly. But that's the beauty of chronic disorganization and the service that KCH organizers offers is that we follow you too, Like you are not alone in the journey that you're taking, when you realize I need help. And that was the origin of Katie Can Help. Before I was KCH Organizers, it was Katie Can Help because when it was just me, I just want to help you. I want to see you struggle less. I want you to enjoy your stuff and your family and your time and your activities more. I want to help you. It's not coming from a place of judgment which, to be honest, so many of my professional organizing colleagues can say that we are a wonderful, beautiful, unique breed. In that it's stuff. It's that objective stuff. It's that objective stuff For future episodes. We can talk about some of the different ways that people organize, whether it's minimalism or maximalism, the different approaches, the Marie Kondo, you know, thanking everything for their service and letting them go.
Speaker 2:Like you just slaughtered a deer or something and you're an indigenous American and thanking it for its spirit.
Speaker 1:It helps for some people and you know that's one of the things I love about this job is no one book fits anybody. Marie Kondo's even said my book doesn't fit everybody. It doesn't fit her anymore because now she has children. Like it just doesn't. It doesn't work. So I love those. The exploration of what are you giggling about?
Speaker 2:I just had this, this image of, uh, people that don't have kids saying oh, does, has this item served you well? Let's, let's bid it adieu, and is it? Does it no longer spark joy? And then, after uh, four nights in a row of a blowout and sleepless nights and screaming and crying, I'm just oh, my god, get out.
Speaker 1:There's a yeah, things change folks jason, have you recognized that when we come home from a trip or camping or whatever, that I'm like less attached to stuff, it's easier for me to be like?
Speaker 1:nope that's gone. Gone Because when I think about this, I call it a vacation mentality that I take in my suitcase the things that I feel great in that fit me right now, that are seasonally appropriate, that I really love to wear, because my capacity to take things with me is so small, and what I find is that when I'm on vacation and I have these fewer things, I'm having to manage less, I'm having to think about it a lot less, and being able to translate that into your everyday is a practice. It's like a yoga practice. It's not just a one and done thing, and this is a great example we have on the show.
Speaker 1:We have Amy Olson, who is a tiny home liver. She and her partner are full-time RVers in a 24-foot RV and it's like it's a constant thing. They evaluate all the time, and so when I think about what I'm giving to the world, what my expertise is, it is to be that, to bridge that gap, to give a different perspective of don't let your stuff own you You've heard that right when if you have so much stuff that if it starts to own you and that number it's not a number, it's, it's an attitude towards, I'd imagine that can be fairly subjective to each individual absolutely the first time I heard that a similar saying was uh, dave ramsey, big, big fan of the show.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you, if you are, if you've been in in the meetings, but he says hi oh, yeah, yeah, um, I have talked to that guy before but it's true, he says something to the effect of I want you to have stuff, but I don't want your stuff to have you, and that that's always resonated with me, especially when we were getting out of debt, and it was like, okay, we have to. There's opportunity costs. We have to prioritize what we want, because you can't have a and b. Yes, you have to make those, those choices, and sometimes those choices are hard. So having someone that has been through the process innumerable times, that can basically cut out the middle man you should be like look, let me cut to the chase for you and let's make some some progress, is a big benefit.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm glad that you brought Dave Ramsey up, and I want to be clear that this podcast is not sponsored in any way by Dave Ramsey, so if he wanted to throw some money my way, I would not be mad. But Jason and I use the Financial Peace University platform to be able to get out of debt, and we also helped other people get out of debt using the FPU platform as well. So but what something that I did learn about that when I had to go to the grocery store with $100 and I didn't have $105. So I didn't want to overbuy something, because then I'd be spending money that I didn't have. I had to prioritize what I wanted versus what I needed. Did I need chicken or did I need ice cream? Like I had to make those decisions.
Speaker 2:It really depends on which member of the family you're asking that. That's why they didn't get to go grocery shopping.
Speaker 1:Wow, they are like made out of ice cream. At this moment, Mom, it's above 78 degrees. Can we have popsicles Anyway? So that is something that I did learn even before this business was a thing, was a need versus a want.
Speaker 2:And that's a skill. It is, it is a skill.
Speaker 1:If it's a skill, it's also able to be taught and learned skill.
Speaker 1:It's also able to be taught and learned, and one of the things that makes me I'm a part of NAPO, the National Association of Productivity and Organizing Professionals, and one of the things that they say to be a professional organizer is that we can transfer the skill to you. It is not just that we're going to come in and clean your house for you, because that's not what we do. There's some cleaning involved. Yes, I have been known to vacuum a room and dust a fan if it makes the space settled, if it completes a space. I've been known to do that.
Speaker 2:But you're not a house cleaner. No, that's a different business, wildly different.
Speaker 1:Wildly different, wildly different. So that kind of an approach of do I need it or do I want it. The other thing that I do, that I learned from Dave Ramsey that I find that I bring into my sessions and I have for the past 10 years, is that I prefer to set something up in the way that I want it to look. I would rather have a pile of things that I have not yet touched but have a beautiful set of shelves that I know exactly what's on it, because the things that I'm choosing to put on it have been intentionally chosen and I know I'm you can't see I'm on a radio show, but I'm pointing to my laundry room cleaning shelves. I know if I need something cleaning or dog related, I know exactly where to go and because I know where to find it, my family knows where to find it and the fact that we built the system around that it all fits. And this was taught in a little bit in Dave's teaching, in that it was think like a retailer how do you want to?
Speaker 1:When you walk into a store, are things chaotic, are they all over the place or are they nicely sectioned? I know where my pasta sauce is. It's next to the pasta. So when I do a kitchen, if I'm putting pantry things together, I like to put the pasta and the pasta sauces together, and maybe even the extra Parmesan cheese, because I call them zones. But I like to think like a retailer when I do. Books is another great example. I will not, I'm sorry, the home edit, but I will not, unless it is a, just a collection of things that you've already read. I will not color code your books. There's a thrift store in Oakland that I take one of our kids to and they color code their books and they have a beautiful collection of books. I've taken pictures of it and videos of it.
Speaker 2:You're telling me like a science fiction would be next to a nonfiction next to a business book, because they're both yellow. That would drive me absolutely insane.
Speaker 1:How often?
Speaker 2:do you think?
Speaker 1:huh, I think that book that I read was yellow.
Speaker 2:I know what the name of the author is. What color was the cover? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying let's do Dewey Decimal System, but you know how to find your stuff in the library, even if you just narrow it down by nonfiction or fiction. Like that's my approach. I want it to be realistic for people and when I started my coaching business I wanted to make sure that those thoughts were coming from the client. They weren't coming from me. I have the ideas, I call myself an idea girl and you just kind of see what fits and the clients often have great ideas for how to organize their stuff.
Speaker 2:I think that's an important distinction. It's not you coming in and saying your tools go here and your laundry things go there.
Speaker 1:It's what happens, don't do the accent.
Speaker 2:I shouldn't do the accent, no, I'd do great accent I mean, what do you mean?
Speaker 2:it's a little doof and schmertzy yeah, that's gotta don't get me started on that show. Uh, it's not what works for you in that space, it's what works for the client in that space. Now, that's not to say that, and I've never been to. Well, it not true? I have been to a couple of your sessions, but I would imagine that it's very client-involved. With questions, they have some buy-in. It's not. Hey, my garage looks like garbage, can you just come fix it? That's not the way you work, right.
Speaker 1:It is not the way I work.
Speaker 2:Are there some that do?
Speaker 1:that, yes, there are some people and there are some organizers out there that will do that.
Speaker 1:So when I'm, my approach, the KCH organizers approach, is that we work with the client.
Speaker 1:I will tell a client over and over again you are my decision maker, this is your home, these are your things, no-transcript.
Speaker 1:And that is also a personal decision that the client needs to make. My coach approach is that I would, if they needed it, I would assist them with being able to ask the right questions for what their ultimate goal is, because a lot of times they are just so overwhelmed by the fact that this project is as big as it is that it's hard to see through the trees and I know everybody has been there that you can't see what an organized garage that has five different functions like real big functions you can't see through the boxes that haven't been unpacked for 20 years, or through the stuff your kids you know hand-me-downs that you weren't able to access, and now they've grown out of the hand-me-downs that you were best of intentions holding onto in the garage. So yeah, that's, I don't do the magic wand. So yeah, that's, I don't do the magic wand. I mean, I like it when, when a client is still surprised by the end result.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hang on because you will come home after a session and be like you want to see what I did today, yeah, and you'll show me the before and after. I'm like that's not the same house. I don't know. I don't know what the hell you did, but you definitely. I've told a number of people I'm married to a magician. So you saying that I don't wave a magic wand, Okay, I suppose if you're in the weeds with you during the session, sure, but to the naked eye I don't believe you.
Speaker 2:And I mean that as a compliment, by the way.
Speaker 1:But I appreciate that. But there's a lot of brain work and that is the benefit of hiring a professional that has been doing this as a profession and I didn't just, I don't just learn on the job, I learn a lot on the job. Let's not get wrong, let's not be wrong, the job, let's not get wrong, let's not be wrong. But, um, I've taken courses of things that intrigue me that I think, oh, I need to understand this because of this client a little bit, okay, hang on, I'm gonna, I'm gonna stop you right there.
Speaker 2:So you, we started this conversation by you saying you wanted to go to a wonderful, uh, tropical vacation without your husband. We're all on the same page there. I'm still bitter about it, and this on the eve of you going to Europe without me. But whatever, you didn't start with the intention of building a business. You decided to help a friend and that grew into something more. I don't want to leave people with the impression that you move stuff around, so, although that is an aspect of it, sure, but you have taken the opportunity to go to additional educational resources to raise the bar of your business. I think I don't think I want you to answer any anything. I think that would be a good future episode to talk about the, the level of education that is involved with becoming a certified professional organizer. You know the ICD stuff you were talking about. You're going to another conference in September that is specifically related to chronic disorganization, if I'm not mistaken there again without me.
Speaker 2:You can go to Milwaukee with me. No, I'm good, I'm good. No offense Milwaukee, offense, milwaukee. I don't care, your baseball team's terrible. Actually, that's not true. I think they're having a great season.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay.
Speaker 2:So we're about the half hour mark and I know you want to keep these around 30 to 40 minutes, so let's skip to the part where I say why should people listen to the show? What is your goal for the podcast?
Speaker 1:Yeah, first of all, I want you to know what resources are out there. If you are somebody that is struggling with clutter and you keep beating yourself up about why can't you get it together, you might be chronically disorganized. It feels a little like you might be a redneck, but that's.
Speaker 2:Did we just stumble on a whole, on your whole tuning guitar and doing a stand up thing? You know what?
Speaker 1:We're going to do that someday.
Speaker 2:But that's a video.
Speaker 1:But I want I want to normalize it. Are you not alone in feeling overwhelmed by things that other people may not feel overwhelmed by, whether it's stuff or time, those kinds of organizational things that executive function? I want to normalize that. There are struggles in this life. That's adulting. I mean it's difficult. Some people struggle more, like people that have brain-based conditions such as ADHD. Some people struggle more like people that have brain-based conditions such as ADHD. That is a whole other kettle of fish. But I want anybody that listens to this show to know that there are people out there that are able to help. There are people out there that want to walk that journey with you and that you don't have to feel ashamed of reaching out. I'm going to be having some professionals on here of varying capacities so that you know the different specialties you mean.
Speaker 2:Correct, got it.
Speaker 1:Not just professional organizers. Right, there are some professional organizers that only do the digital space. There are some professional organizers out there that only do photos. There are professional organizers out there that do what I do in the creation of systems and sorting of the physical stuff. But there's time, data and stuff are the three different categories of organization and if one of those is out of alignment then a lot of things push out of alignment and it can upset the psyche, if you will.
Speaker 2:So you don't necessarily need to be in the physical space to coach someone.
Speaker 1:No, and that is actually a great point, because we are based in the San Francisco Bay Area and while I love when a system, a physical system, comes together, I actually do a little happy dance and I've been known to sing a little song when something comes together.
Speaker 2:Oh, I've met you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's thrilling. For me guys, it's a sickness.
Speaker 2:But are you down with it?
Speaker 1:But that's the kind of lots of pop culture happening.
Speaker 2:That's how I do, baby.
Speaker 1:So, but that's one of the those little things that I can transfer to a client. So if somebody wants to be able to get a grip on their schedule better, looking at an ideal week and mapping out is your reality and your expectation, are those able to align, what are the habits that are established that are hurting you and how can we shift those things? Super helpful as we are taking a break from our school year, that parents that their kids are struggling or struggled to get done with the past year, that I have a student success system that I work with students on to match their ideal week and their actual expectations of what needs to happen to be able to be successful. If it comes from them, then it's going to last a lot longer.
Speaker 2:From them the student, not them the parents.
Speaker 1:Correct If it's an intrinsic motivator, then they are going to be ready to roll intrinsic motivator then they are going to be ready to roll. So if they're feeling heard and they're feeling enabled and empowered and that they have someone in their corner that, by the way, is not also sitting at the dining room table and telling them to do their chores it's a much different experience for the student and for the parent. So the only reason I bring up the student success stuff at this moment is because we're going to have our students starting again. Are they going to be ready for the next school year? And every year you level up with the expectations and all of that. So one of the services that we offer is to be able to come alongside and set up that success.
Speaker 2:Well, if somebody is obviously we want people to, you know, subscribe to the, to the podcast, or, you know, make sure they're they're aware of of where we are and we'll have the website and all of that stuff dialed in here soon, not for all of the prerecorded stuff we've already done, but make sure you follow it in the feeds. If someone has a direct question for you, either they want covered on the show or they want to connect with you for coaching or a physical space. How can they find you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they can find me. They can email me directly at Katie, at KCH organizers dot com, and that's K-A-T-I-E and k-c-h the letters, kch organizers, uh. Or they can jump on my website, katiecanhelpcom, and there's a lot of information on there and they can book a free discovery call with me there you go, that's, that's perfect.
Speaker 2:It seems like a good place to to wrap this up and let folks kind of marinate in it for a little bit and then, boom, hop on over to episode two. Who is it? I guess you'll have to wait and find out.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm so excited about it, I tease things all the time.
Speaker 2:I'm going to let that one hang there All right, playing outro music. Go man, I'm good.
Speaker 1:Thank you everyone for joining us for this inaugural episode. I would love to hear your feedback and we can hit some topics that you really want to hear about. Just reach out. Thanks, guys.
