The Clutter Conversations
A podcast for anyone who has ever dealt with clutter, personally or professionally.
The Clutter Conversations
Transforming Challenges into Growth: Navigating Personal and Financial Decisions
Ever wondered how to wrangle those chaotic days into a well-ordered timeline? Let Katie Hoschouer guide you through her practical and effective time management techniques, using simple phone alarms and timers. Katie's methodical approach can help you maximize productivity and keep you on track, no matter how hectic your schedule gets. Discover how being conscious of your time can transform your daily routine into a more controlled and efficient system.
When is it time to say goodbye to your old wheels? We share our family's journey through the emotional and financial decisions involved in replacing our aging SUVs. With our daughter Faith heading off to college, the debate over keeping the family’s 2012 VW Passat or investing in a new vehicle brought to light the practical and sentimental values we attach to our cars. From the struggle of maintaining a professional image to the satisfaction of making an old car work for us, we discuss how these choices reflect personal growth and the importance of decluttering negative attitudes.
Ever felt stuck or unmotivated? Find out how to break through those barriers with actionable advice on self-motivation and accountability. We exchange humorous stories, like our robot vacuum Miriam's unexpected adventures, and share tips on how a supportive community can enhance your personal journey. Learn about the power of mindset shifts, the Pomodoro technique, and why building a consistent routine can make all the difference. Plus, join our Clutter Conversations Facebook community for ongoing support and encouragement.
For more information or to schedule a FREE consult call with Katie, be sure to check out KCH Organizers!
Hey everybody, welcome back to the Clutter Conversations, a podcast for anyone who's ever dealt with clutter personally or professionally. I'm your host, katie Hochschauer. Hey, hey, hey guys, welcome back to the podcast. It's been a minute because life has been happening in our lives and you know what I carry. Zero shame for that, because we knew it was going to be busy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nor should you.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, we have been, you know, lifing, and that was what our last podcast was about was about how to life when life gets too lifey, and that's exactly what we were doing. So thank you for being back here. We are excited to be back, and I wanted to try a little something new in the podcast, something that I have been doing for many, many, many, many, many years. I can really remember it, starting when my oldest, who is now in college, first started kindergarten, so 13 years ago.
Speaker 1:I didn't that whole like getting a brand new baby. My youngest was born just days before my oldest started kindergarten and she had her little nap happenings, and my preschooler and my kindergartner all had different needs at different times, and I made the most use of my phone alarms so that I didn't have to think about it anymore. I was already running on very little sleep and I just wanted to be in the moment, and so I found a very successful tactic for me was to set an alarm on my phone with which that I could set it and forget it, and then the alarm would go off and it would remind me oh, it's time to get kid to school, or it's time to pick up.
Speaker 2:Okay, hang on, I'm confused. Yeah, are you talking about a timer or an alarm?
Speaker 1:It really depends on what it is that you're doing.
Speaker 2:Because when I think alarm, I think A set time. Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:Correct. So for the school pickups and drop-offs, those happened at the same time, so it was a set alarm. But if I have a few minutes in my day that I can be more productive in, or I can do something in this small amount of time, then I will set a timer for those things. And now that I have the device which shall not be named, so if anybody's listening to it, then it won't set it off.
Speaker 2:I hate it when I listen to a podcast and somebody says Alexa.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Oh, did I what.
Speaker 1:Alexa bark like a dog, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So now I use the device that shall not be named to keep track of my time for me when I don't really want to have to keep track of it, but I do know that there's such value in knowing how your minutes are being spent. So I'm actually going to do that right now with my phone on the podcast, because I would like to be able to have a 25-minute conversation about this topic that we have going on today, and I'm really excited to share it with you All right, so are you setting a?
Speaker 2:I assume you're setting a timer for 25 minutes.
Speaker 1:Correct no I am going to set two different timers.
Speaker 1:The first one is going to be for 20 minutes because I like to just kind of let things happen and not have to pay attention to the clock. And then that 20 minutes is like knock, knock, knock, katie, it's time to start, you know keeping track. And then I set another timer and you're going to hear me set another timer for three minutes, and that can be. You can say oh, you know, I can. I need five minutes warning and you know 30 seconds to wrap things up. I need a few more minutes than that to wrap things up. Anybody who's ever said goodbye to anybody with me knows I need a little extra time.
Speaker 2:Mom is momming.
Speaker 1:Mom is momming, whether it's a church or a birthday party it's always many hugs around, and so you just get what you get Anyway. So I am. This is the tactic that I use to keep track of my time, to stay on course, to feel like I'm making good use of my time. So I'm just going to go ahead and set that timer on my phone, Set a timer for 20 minutes.
Speaker 2:My timer. Truth in advertising. Look at that. I watched you do it. Oh well, I'm here to say that it happened. Yeah, I'm witnessing, that's all.
Speaker 1:Okay, so my timer is going. However, I will say it's not audible. Do you guys want to be able to hear it? Yeah, you guys should be able to hear it. So it's going to go off in 20 minutes. You also might hear a text or two. Anyway, welcome to my life.
Speaker 2:Let's hope the oldest isn't awake because bing bing, bing, bing bing.
Speaker 1:I know I did already tell her that we were podcasting, so it should be cool, it should be. I don't know that it will be. So this dovetails really beautifully into the topic that I have for you guys today, which is challenging our perspectives. Perspectives are so important when it comes to constructing our lives. If you feel like you don't have enough time, then you don't have enough time. So if that is your perspective that things are out of control then things are out of control. If you feel like something is not enough, then something is not enough. And the whole topic of this podcast episode is challenging those perspectives. And I have a great example of a perspective that has been challenged very recently for myself that Jason has been party to, and I'm not sure we've mentioned it on the podcast before, but we did have am I getting ambushed right now.
Speaker 2:Is that what's happening? No, oh okay, all right no, no, just I'm just checking um no, we had two of our vehicles.
Speaker 1:Take a dive on us ah, yes, yes like to the tune of almost fifteen thousand dollars in repairs between in repairs, between the two of them.
Speaker 2:Spoiler alert neither one is. Both put together are not worth 15 Gs.
Speaker 1:They are both 2005 SUVs that have served a good purpose for us.
Speaker 1:They were both purchased, used by us and it just it didn't sit well with me to spend $15,000, even $8,000, $7,000 was my number Because you know if you guys have listened to any part of the podcast or talked to us at all, have known us at all for the past 15 years. We pay for everything in cash. We do not take out loans. The only debt that we have is our home. So that perspective was already a huge change of we don't use credit cards. That perspective happened 15 years ago. So let's fast forward here to this. We don't have vehicles that I want to drive. That is the perspective that was challenging. So Faith, our oldest, goes off to college and she leaves behind this 2012 VW Passat that Jason and I bought in 2020 with the purpose of giving it to her for her own little teenager car.
Speaker 2:For her use. I don't know that we ever officially said this is your vehicle, we danced around it a bit.
Speaker 1:We did dance around it a lot because no one else was really driving it.
Speaker 2:We had our own cars. For all intents and purposes, it was her vehicle. It was her car?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we didn't. She didn't have to ask to use it Anyway. So she really went teenager all over that. And if you have heard about our challenges with Faith's cleanliness level, it is different from ours. I'm trying to be very gentle.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's a very polite way to say that.
Speaker 1:I know it is and I'm doing that on purpose. So when the time came that these are two cars, so when the time came that these are two cars, mine and Jason's cars had they are. They're sad, they're weeping in our driveway right now. They're circling the drain. They are circling the drain. I mean they can get us to and from very locally, but not something that I want to take many risks with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're not taking those on a road trip. No, that will not end well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to road trip and Faith is with us, plus we have three dogs, plus we want to be able to camp and tow our little gypsy trailer, plus I work through it, so I have, like, my tools and all of my supplies and stuff.
Speaker 1:So an SUV is really the right fit for us. Jason and I have long talked about wanting to upgrade our trailer, and so when we buy a new vehicle, we want it to be something that can tow even more than what we are towing currently, so something that will serve our future needs as well. And, as we were talking about what that would be, it most definitely was not a 2012 VW Passat. Let me tell you guys, that's like the opposite of the car that I really, really wanted and the car that I wanted. I wasn't saying, hey, let's go out and spend $60,000 on a brand new suburban you know Yukon XL, which is what would have really fit our needs, but I was saying I want to spend more money than we have because this is a perspective. I would be embarrassed to arrive at a client's house driving Betty, which is what we call the VW.
Speaker 2:She's black.
Speaker 1:She's black Betty.
Speaker 2:Ramble-am, that's how she got her name. That's how she got her name. That's how she got her name.
Speaker 1:So I would be embarrassed to show up at clients' houses driving Betty. And one of the things so fast forward a couple of weeks maybe Jason and I had been having conflict and conversations about these differing perspectives. He's like, you know, you just get her from point A to point B and we'll just start saving for a car and I'm like it's going to take us forever to save for the car that I actually want. So there had to be some sacrifice from both of us to come to an agreement that would feel good about this situation that we've found ourselves in.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to get too into the weeds about what that conflict and conversation and resolution was, but I did find that I was now left with limping with the two SUVs. I was now left with limping with the two SUVs and, for the most part, driving Betty. So let me tell you a little bit about Betty and why I think she's a teenager car. She has no bells and whistles, she has cloth seats, she has missing a hubcap, she's missing a gas door cover, it has scratches all over it, it's dirty. It was filled with trash.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I'd say scratches all over it. It's not a hoopty.
Speaker 1:No, it is not a hoopty. It is not a hoopty. It had more visible scratches than I mean a couple bumps and bruises. Let's say she has some bumps and bruises. She has character, wear and tear. She has less than character.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. I'll give you wear and tear.
Speaker 1:She has wear and tear A reasonable amount of wear and tear for a 16-year-old driver, for a 12-year-old car.
Speaker 2:If you went to sell it, it would be good, not excellent, and it wouldn't be as bad as fair, correct, yeah, correct, that's your Kelly Blue Book. Tip of the day. There you go.
Speaker 1:Thank you, you're welcome, not sponsored, anyway. So I'm left to drive this Betty car. And so what? I realized if I was going to drive it, I needed to first clean out the trash. Right, I had had Faith clean it out before I left, or before she left, sorry for school, and I mean she did. She did a half pretty decent, all right. So there was a lot of stuff left to do to be at my mom standard, which is fine, because for Faith, her perspective was it's a way for me to get to and from school, it's a way for me to not have to walk home, it's a way for me to go visit my friends and hang out with my friends.
Speaker 2:It's not a status, anything for her at all.
Speaker 1:Which is fine. It's a place for me to do my makeup in the mornings. And there was makeup all over that car. It had like old sticker residue in various places. It had a bumper sticker on the back that just said bumper sticker. It had a bumper sticker that said this car is fueled with Dr Pepper, like all of these things that didn't align with me and made me feel like it was a teenager car.
Speaker 1:So I started to take out the trash. I spent I maybe set a timer for 20 minutes and just, let's just take out the trash. So I would take out the trash and then when I would get back in the car I'd see a little bit more that I don't know it like crawls out from underneath the seat. I really don't know how this car I mean it's crazy, it's really crazy Like there are straw wrappers that I think are from like I don't know 1995. And the car wasn't even existent, anyway.
Speaker 1:So I just took out the trash and when I felt like the trash had been handled, I set a small, reasonable goal for myself. That was don't have a trash bag in here, which is kind of crazy, because where does the trash go? I knew if I didn't have a trash bag in there, I'd be less likely to keep trash in the car. So I made a resolution with myself that if I make any kind of trash in that car, if I have a bubble water, if I have a straw wrapper, I take it with me immediately. Because now I know there is no trash in that car and it's easier for me to say there is no trash or there is some trash. Right, there's a little bit. And so I'm just going to add just this one other thing it's a there is none or there is some. It's a very easy way to distinguish between those things. So it was an easy way for me to see that is a goal of not having trash in there. And it's been. How long has it been, babe? It's been about three weeks.
Speaker 2:I'd say about four weeks, three or four weeks.
Speaker 1:And I have not left trash in there. If I get out of the car, I take everything that I have created in that, which is I have always been a dirty car kid. I've always been. I mean, you've borrowed my car before I know, um be careful mr socks in the car for what we let's no, oh, that's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah that, yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, let's not even Don't, anyway. So it was one of the things that I came to accept about myself. I create trash and I leave it in the car. Often I would if I didn't have a trash bag I would just toss it in the passenger foot space because whatever they can stand on it, it's trash. I don't care. But I didn't want that anymore. I was already feeling pretty crappy about having to drive this. Bare bones basic Betty. Oh yeah, you like that. Bare bones basic Betty.
Speaker 2:You feel?
Speaker 1:good. I kind of do feel good. All right, thanks for tuning in everybody. So I did this one little thing that helped me to feel better. It gave me ownership over it. It gave it to me where I felt like I was investing a small part of it. It's just taking trash out of the car guys Like awesome. I removed the Powered by Dr Pepper bumper sticker and the bumper sticker bumper sticker and the bejeweled license plate frame and I put a hire, a professional organizer license plate frame on there.
Speaker 2:I just noticed that yesterday yeah.
Speaker 1:Yesterday, day before, Our NAPO chapter sold them as a fundraiser. Oh nice, I yanked one up and I didn't ever put it on my vehicle. But this, this is perfect. So I'm not rebranding the whole vehicle, but it does kind of. Hey, we're out there come find us?
Speaker 1:And I also put you know the magnets of our two kid activities that I do like to represent. That's pretty cool. So in that it took me maybe another 15 minutes to remove those bumper stickers and to use a little goof off to get the residue off and then to put on the new license plate frame. It took me about 15 more minutes and I left that 15 minutes feeling like, yeah, this is a little bit more my car. And then it came time to clean the interior of the car and I just wiped things down. I didn't worry about the floor because underneath, like I said, there's stuff from under there that I think it was there when the car was made in 2012. I'm not really sure, but I started to clean, just you know, the surfaces and I have a little container of you know wipes and dusting things that I can do and I would just spend when I was waiting for my kid at school. I would just wipe down part of the car and I would just call it good and I would sit and I'd feel like that's a little bit better, it's a little bit more mine, I feel a little less embarrassed and as I was investing these little chunks of time in changing my perspective in what was bothering me about this thing. I was noticing that my perspective was changing. I was appreciating that Faith's perspective about the car was completely different. I'm non-judgmentally saying she didn't really care about how many fake nails were in that car. There's so many fake nails in that car, guys, I don't even know how it happened, but she didn't care about that stuff and my values, my perspectives, are not the same as what she has, and at first I was frustrated that, oh, I got to spend all this time to detenify this car, and that's what I would call it. And she said you're erasing me. I'm like, oh good Lord, oh honey, but that is her perspective. Maybe that's her leaving her mark. You know, though, she did in my CD collection that she had borrowed left a Taylor Swift CD possible perspective, but I was finding myself feeling better about driving Betty and I felt like I don't feel embarrassed to drive it anymore.
Speaker 1:I fixed small things that I could. I have since also purchased a new set of hubcaps that I would like to try to get on this week. I would like to try to get on this week. Let's see if it happens. Check in with me. And I bought a new gas cap door. So those two little things I can, you know I invested in I think maybe $30 total for those things off of Amazon to make it just a little bit better and for me to feel better about driving it. And I'm also finding that I'm really liking some of the stuff about it. The air conditioning works much better not perfectly, but much better than the other cars.
Speaker 1:I'm finding that Jason and I are willing to quote unquote invest more of our money into making sure that she is dialed in and super safe and ready to roll, because we have a 15-year-old and come a year when we have saved enough for our car, she's going to need to drive this car and it's going to need to be safe and we're going to need to know that. We're like setting the clock again and restarting the clock for her and I like that we don't spend $130 to fill up the gas tank on two different vehicles. It's 70 bucks to fill up one car and it gets us through an entire week. It's like we're saving a lot of money on gas. It's kind of great. But I didn't have those perspectives when I was just fighting for my original fight, for my original perspective. Jason, I'd like to know what you thought about that conversation and how you see things have changed in terms of the approach to me driving Betty.
Speaker 2:I thought you had initially with your embarrassment. I thought you were putting too much importance on the vehicle, because my point of view perspective, I guess is that your clients care about your skill set and how you can assist them. The vehicle you show up in sure it says a little something, but what you provide them is way more important. I believe what I said to you and I won't use a client name. I'll make up, I'll say Sally, but you know who I'm talking about. Do you think Sally is going to care at all that you show up in Betty? Sally's not going to care.
Speaker 1:It's funny that you mentioned Sally, because Sally has commented about the cleanliness of my car that right? Yes, how funny yep, all right, that is very interesting and it didn't really occur to me because I think I was just too in my lizard brain when we were having that conversation and I was just fighting my good fight. Um, that, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2:That's very interesting the point being, though, that I don't think that she would. I mean, if it was a new client, I think it would say a little bit more, but if it's an established client, I don't think it's as big a deal. However, I do understand. You know, we're in a certain place in our lives. We have accomplished a whole lot with finances and with my retirement and me going back to work, and we have financial goals we're trying to hit, and life keeps throwing curveballs, and then we keep either, you know, striking out or, occasionally, we knock one out of the park, but we're so wrapped up in stuff and wanting to to feel like we've. We've listened, we have definitely earned better vehicles, we've earned it, we've put, we've put in our dues, and if you have, if you, if you, if we kept that perspective, I think it would set us back, and I don't want to do that, and I've, I believe what I said was I flat refused to take out a loan.
Speaker 2:I have very deep-rooted seated feelings about that, but I know how important it is to you to represent your brand, your company and yourself in a certain light. I totally get that, and I I didn't know that you were going to do the gas cap thing or the hub cap thing. I knew that you were going to detail that car. I never lost a wink of sleep about that at all, because you excel at that stuff. It looks like a much different car than what was left for you by Faith. Love you Faith, but you gads. By faith. Love you, faith, but he gads. Um, the fact that you not only your, your I don't think it's fair to say your perspective changed. I think you took ownership of it. You decided that this is what we're gonna roll with. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna make it look the way I want it to look, to the best of my ability and the most affordable way, the most responsible way to get that done, and I think you did a great job at that.
Speaker 1:Thank you, and because this is the clutter conversations, that's a great segue into our perspectives on clutter. You're, like this is supposed to be, about decluttering stuff and you know you're talking about a car and well, I was decluttering an unhealthy perspective that was challenging how we have built our marriage for the past 15 years of 20 years of marriage, and that was so. The piece of the clutter is, if people are sitting around at home and they look and they think, oh, there's so much to do, I can never get this done. It's never going to be good enough. I'm unskilled at this. I don't have the time or the money to be able to do this. Nobody is there to support me.
Speaker 1:All of those are perspectives that I would like to be able to challenge. If you feel like something is amiss in your life, then it's a perspective that needs challenging. Then it's a perspective that needs challenging that maybe the people that are currently in your lives don't know how to help you challenge a perspective like that. Maybe it's scary for them to challenge a perspective because it might challenge their own perspectives, and so when you, one of the things that I took away from this experience of Betty was it took my action to make me feel differently about driving that car. It took my time to make me feel differently about driving that car and it wasn't like I took out the trash and all of a sudden I was like, oh, everything's better. I also didn't.
Speaker 1:I don't have, I don't find it necessary to spend the money to go and get it detailed, like you said. I excel at that. I really kind of like oh guys, have you ever cleaned a car with a power? What is that thing called the air compressor? You should wear safety goggles, because at least when you clean out a car like Betty because I'm pretty sure, like little pellets of sand were like launched into my eyeballs.
Speaker 1:Anyway, it's so satisfying to use that but there was like dog hair everywhere and I realized as I was doing that I'm like, well, all this stuff is going to settle back down and then I'm going to have to just do it again. Yeah, that's how progress is made, like when we do a session, we pull everything out and we see what you have and, like Amy likes to say, it fluffs up, but then we get it better than it was before. Betty is better than she was before. She's not completely detailed because I wasn't going to spend $200 to get her detailed, because I like seeing that process. That's one of the reasons I love doing my job is because I like seeing it go from to ah, ah.
Speaker 1:I don't know if that came across over a podcast very well but from not so great to that's better to wow the wow factor. So I'm not at the wow factor with Betty just yet, but I do want to encourage you guys to look around your house and look at just a little self-reflection. What are some perspectives that you are holding that are actually holding you back? Are they serving you? Are they helping you create the future that you really want for yourself? And there is a whole other podcast wrapped up into this.
Speaker 1:But there's a big perspective shift that I took almost a year ago was that I can't have fun without alcohol. That was a huge perspective shift for me because I have lived almost a year challenging that perspective and really understanding that that is not truth, that I can't have fun, that I'm not a fun person, that people don't want to be around me if I'm not drinking. It's silly the way that I thought. Now I know that. It's silly how much I let that perspective of I'm not going to be fun, people won't want to enjoy time with me, I will be the stick in the mud. All of those were perspectives that held me in that mud, that I didn't want to be the stick in, and so, like we have challenged perspectives.
Speaker 1:Personally, I have challenged many different perspectives in my lifetime and I think I'm pretty good at it, actually and the more that I do it, the less I am inclined to stick with one perspective perspective. So I'd love to hear from you guys what are some things that you think you can't do, what are some things that you think are holding you back because you can't do them? Can you guys jump on the Facebook page the Clutter Conversations and join that conversation? I would love to hear from you guys. Jason, do you have any examples?
Speaker 2:Well, I can. I don't know that I have an example of that, but I could. I have different perspectives on people's perspectives. What I mean by that? Oh, yes, yeah, so I'll come at it from a little more of a I'll be kind and say challenging. What excuses are you making? Yeah, you have your perspectives, but are they real? Or are you making excuses for yourself? Listen, doing things is hard there. Listen, doing things is hard.
Speaker 2:Building up motivation in yourself completely solo is not an easy ask at all. However, if you have someone that is a partner, that is willing to push you, great, ask them. We ask each other, you and I, all the time. Hey, can you hold me responsible? Or, you know, hold me accountable. I want to do this thing, uh. So this is a silly example, but we have a wonderful person in our home called miriam actually not a person, it's a robot. It's a robot vacuum and miriam decided I set a schedule for miriam. She cleans every day 9 am, does the whole house and then goes back to her little little pod and it, you know, sucks out all the stuff from, uh, from she picked up over the house. Well, unfortunately, you had a client and I was at work. The kids were at school and one of our dogs wasn't feeling too well. Oh, there's the timer, so I got to wrap this up. Is that what you're saying? Nope, okay, hang on, all right.
Speaker 1:Set a timer for three minutes.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I got to wrap it up. Long story short, there was a mess and Miriam was full of crap is what I'll say. She was full of crap that day?
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was.
Speaker 2:So you full, full of crap is what I'll say. She was full of crap that day. So you get home and you I think you sent me a text or I can remember if you called but you were like we, we have an issue. So I said, just put it outside, I'll, and I'll clean it. And uh, unrelated, I got a vaccine shingles vaccine, because when you get old that's what you have to do and they said you're gonna feel not great whatever. So I get it friday morning, go to work. We go to an amazing concert Friday night, and then yesterday I felt like I got hit by a bus. So Miriam didn't get cleaned, we had other stuff going on throughout the day. But today you said, hey, can you take care of Miriam? I said I was going to, but, very kindly, you didn't say you said you were going to do this. You said no, I didn't, you just reminded me.
Speaker 1:Well, I knew you were feeling like crap the past two days. Funny.
Speaker 2:You're feeling like crap. Can you clean up the crap? Yeah, fantastic. So Miriam is clean. But the problem is I could have said oh I just God, I still don't feel great. I feel better than I did yesterday. I'm not feeling a hundred percent, and I could have doubled down on that and just been like listen, there's football on today. We're going to a concert tonight. I just, I just wanted to. I'll take care of it tomorrow Would not have been a big deal, but that's an excuse. I said I was going to do something, so I'm going to do it. Having that inner motivation is not always easy, but sometimes I think we're a little too touchy, feely these days and you need to just do the thing you want to do.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm a big proponent of words matter.
Speaker 2:True.
Speaker 1:And I started working out back in March and I've been fairly consistent. I'm really enjoying it. I have a good group of people that I meet. It's really working for me. And I used to make the excuse to not go. And when I said in March and I said I don't want to make excuses to not go anymore, what I did was I shifted that frame of mind and I said I want to make excuses to go. Why would I want to go to the gym? Oh, I love what it feels like when I'm like dripping sweat down on the mat, or oh, I can also sit out by the pool afterwards. Or oh, I get to see my friends. Or oh, I get to see my friends. Or oh, I get to, you know, feel the afterburn, or you know I'm making excuses to go to the gym. That was.
Speaker 2:See, I would say reasons.
Speaker 1:I know, but if you already you already said, words matter, they do.
Speaker 1:But your perspective of what that word means, the definition of what that word is that matters too. So, because I knew I made excuses, I just shifted it to make excuses that were positive. Whoa what, Guys? If you aren't doing this whole timer hack thing, I really think that you should, If you feel like you don't have enough time to fold the laundry, look at your calendar and set a timer for 10 minutes, 15 minutes. It's a Pomodoro method. I don't know if you knew that Pomodoro like the tomato Tomato yeah.
Speaker 1:It's. The Pomodoro method is to set your timer and you work for that amount of time and then it's OK if you stop working. So you know what? It's okay if we stop this podcast because now we have two more minutes before it's completed All right.
Speaker 2:So I'm going to again flip it on its head a little bit and I'm going to say when you aren't being productive, when you're binge watching something, set a timer uh, not timer, not a countdown timer, but a count up timer that'll track how long you're doing that thing. So when you say I don't have time, you spend four hours binge watching. Whatever you absolutely have time, it's your choice. You want to spend four hours binge watching something, knock yourself out. But don't come to me later and say I didn't get to do this thing, you chose not to do it. Words matter.
Speaker 1:Some people really struggle with that, and I would like to acknowledge the fact that some people are also dealing with things like depression and anxiety.
Speaker 2:that make that very, very difficult.
Speaker 1:So if that's something that you are finding yourself struggling with, I get you, I see you, I hear you. I can help you get past that. So reach out to me, katie, at kchorganizerscom if you need to book something for yourself, or find us on the Facebook page. The Clutter Conversations and, as always, I really am glad that you listened to this podcast and I'd love to hear from you. I'll catch you on the flip side.
