Switch to Channel 2 audio podcast with Tim Duffy

Ready to dive behind the scenes of reality TV, creative entrepreneurship, and the pursuit of joy? Tune in to the latest episode of Switch to Channel 2—the exclusive Go for Donny! spin-off—where Donny McGuire sits down with the inspirational Tim Duffy.

Tim Duffy is not just an award-winning producer (Ugly Brother Studios, multiple Emmy nominations, James Beard Awards), but also a mindfulness and corporate meditation leader, and now the founder behind the wellness startup Laughter Works with an X. In this lively, laugh-filled episode, Tim shares his unconventional journey from behavioral therapist to TV executive at Spike TV, to running his own production company, and finally embracing his calling as a meditation and laughter advocate helping transform corporate culture worldwide.

Donny and Tim reminisce about their MTV Networks days, trade wild industry shenanigans, and get real about switching from unscripted TV to YouTube and new media platforms. Tim gives actionable advice for creators: why “Content is king, but distribution is King Kong,” how to think about YouTube growth, overcoming rejection, the power of storytelling—and why laughter and mindfulness are the next frontiers of well-being at work.

Plus, stick around for some hilarious, offbeat questions—like what Tim's animatronic Chuck E. Cheese character would be, and which movie set he'd crash with a time machine!

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Don’t miss this deep, inspiring, and often hilarious conversation covering:

• Tim Duffy’s unique career arc from behavioral therapy to hit TV shows to meditation coach
• The founding and evolution of Ugly Brother Studios
• The launch and mission behind Laughter Works with an X (laughterworkswithanx.com)
• Candid stories from behind the scenes of MTV, Spike TV, and the reality TV world
• The future of content creation on YouTube & beyond
• Creative advice for producers, storytellers, and entrepreneurs
• The importance of perseverance: why stacking “no’s” leads to a powerful “yes”
• Unscripted antics, “guru” talk, industry insights, and so much more

00:00 "Brother Moves to L.A. Journey"

06:08 Food, Comedy, and Insightful Storytelling

07:19 Recognition for Excellence in Craft

10:26 Questioning Faith and Finding Meditation

14:12 Entrepreneurial Ventures and Personal Growth

19:20 "Producers as Global Problem Solvers"

20:50 Forward Movement in Media Industry

25:38 Unscripted Reality: Behind the Scenes

27:20 "Podcast Insights from Reality Stars"

31:52 "The Matrix and Identity Permission"

34:05 Laughter Therapy for Businesses

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Transcript

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Have you heard of the new addition to the Go for Donny! podcast? I haven't either, but it's called Switch to Channel 2 That is where Donny will get to ask his guest some questions. So you, the listener, get to know them better. And Remember,#HTFU. All right, guys, welcome back to Switch to Channel 2. We have Tim Duffy here. Tim, how you doing, buddy? I'm rocking along, my friend. Love Channel 2. Excited. Don't know what's going to happen on Channel 2, but I'm very excited. Oh, anything can happen on Channel 2. Just so I can explain it one more time, for any listeners that are new, Channel two is a little podcast I came up with because on set, whenever we needed to talk to someone, we'd always switch from our channel over to Channel 2. We'd have our chatter, everyone else would switch to channel two and they would listen in and then we would go back to our respected channels. So that's where we came up with Chatter Channel 2 Because I can't chatter and talk at the same time. So we got some chatter here. So I got a question for you. Let's get started. What got you into the industry? What? You what? Get you started into this. My twin brother moved to Los Angeles 26 years ago to do stand up comedy. My twin brother Mike, I was working with autistic kids at the time as a behavioral therapist and was severely in debt because of college and education stuff and looked at the world as a 23 year old or whatever and went, I don't know what I'm going to do. I can't afford to go back to school. I can't afford to pay my bills working in that line of work. So I went out to visit my brother who was living with some of my friends from our friends from high school, and I was like, peace out, I'm moving, I'm gonna try this out. And then I got to LA and I got a job at a publicist agency and then was fired two weeks later. Happy to tell you that story. So then once I got fired, then I got into the industry because I needed more work and I got a PA job. Yeah, that's so awesome. So you moved out because your brother moved out to be a standup comedian. I love that. That's why he moved to la. And then you said, hey, bro, I'm coming with. That's such a great, I mean, good on. I'm so, we're so blessed that that happened, you know, I'm so, I'm so glad that Mike wanted to. He wanted to be a standup comedian. So, you know, we got the Duffies out here. Yeah, me too. Thank you. Awesome, man. So. So the way that we know each other, so when we can catch up, everyone is. I worked at MTV in MTV2 development years ago at MTV Networks. And at MTV Networks we had all these different networks that were there, like Spike TV where Tim was the SVP of Development. We had VH1, Comedy Central, a bunch of other ones. So everyone was really close back then. Everyone knew each other. It was really cool. Like we had holiday parties together, you know, I don't know. Everyone just knew each other. It was crazy cool. And then fast forward, I left and went into production, went on my way and oddly enough followed your brother to like, I think two or three companies where he was, which is funny, never followed anywhere. But then you guys started your own company and then you guys just took off until you are today where you're this amazing spiritual guru. So. Oh man, can you just catch. Just catch us up from, I think from Spike to, to starting Ugly Brother and then to where you are today. Well, I was pretty successful at Spike tv. And a big reason for my success was I was. I got really good at telling stories and was a good. A solid creative leader that was frustrated that I wasn't actually able to physically execute the creative. When I was a network executive, I wanted to actually make the stuff I had started before my network days in production after I got fired from that first publicist agent's job. But I wanted to come back and get into the field and figure out how to direct. And so 2013 I left Spike TV with a three project deal and helps and that helped launch my production company called Ugly Brother Studios with my twin brother Mike. So awesome. And what quickly happened there was I jumped in headfirst to creating content that I wanted to watch, which ended up being food, travel and comedy related stuff. So that was the. That's the kind of road to Ugly Brother Studios. At least that doesn't make a difference when you're making something that you're vested in. I, and I say vested more vested in something that you're interested in and actually, actually vested in. Instead of just being an exec on a show and having to take it on to produce it. You might not be particularly interested in it or the subject, but you have to do it to where. And plus being your own boss too. It's like, you know, there's something to be said about not having to answer to many people. I Look, the. The. It's. That's such a beautiful question to ask. So to pursue subject matter that was interesting to me was the most important aspect of transitioning from Spike TV to Ugly Brother Studios. I was not interested in the stuff I was making at Spike tv. I had to preten. Like, I was like a bro. So I had to kind of assume the kind of perspective of what the bros want. And I was never really interested in the bro y thing. I was more interested in, like, insightful stories that, you know, informed instead of kind of like, you know, showed up in the world as destructive, which was a lot of reality TV back then. It was like, trashy, awful, Trashier the better. Yeah, exactly. And that just wasn't really in my heart. So the biggest thing for me was can I put stories out into the world that make this world happier, smarter, stronger, together, you know, and with a background in working in restaurants for years, and then my older brother, our older brother Brian, being a fantastic chef, Mike and I just, like, leaned into the food stuff, and that's eventually that plus the comedy is what we became known for. We were nominated for nine Emmys, one two nominated for five James Beard Awards, the best chefs on Earth. Yeah, it was cool. As great accolades, especially from your peers, you know, when they recognize, you know, how good you really are at. At your craft. So. And you guys really are good at. At what you guys do, you know, so that's why transferring or transferring, transitioning into what you're doing now, I mean, you're just the best at whatever you do. I think I was talking about was that maybe I may have been talking to. To your brother about that, about taking on any task, any job, Any job I did, I always wanted to do it to the best of my ability, you know, And. And you don't find that a lot with. A lot of people don't have that drive. I mean, it can be the. The simplest task. You always wanted to do it to your best of the ability, and I don't know if that was distilled in me. I don't. Maybe that was a military thing that I picked up along the way. But, you know, you don't see that a lot. So it's cool to see how. How well you guys do in your craft and how, you know, how good you are, you know, and I'm sure you're just as good as a guru. I keep saying I shouldn't say that. Yeah. I mean, so should we tell people what I do now? Yes, I think we should transition into that so. And will people have heard the other podcast or is this like a fresh start for us? So. So this is. So this is. I took this. I can leave this in or cut it out. ESPN FC is a soccer specific show on espn and they have, their show is like about an hour and it's just, you know, sit down, they talk about soccer and then they have another show after that they have for ESPN+ customers called Extra Time. And that's where they just ask some stupid questions, you know, from Twitter X or, or whatever. So that's kind of where I got the idea for this is more of a. A follow up to that. Because I always wanted to go for Donnie just to be about just stupid stories or fun, you know, not more about you or me, just some fun, you know. Yeah, cool. Nothing in it. And then that way, switch channel two, we can follow it up with more. Just more things about you, more things about maybe what you're doing, what you're up to, maybe have more to say. Maybe you have something else other than some, some dumb questions you want to answer, you know, so it's just about anything, you know, some chatter. So. So we can pick the thread up as if the audience already knows, kind of. Yep. We planted seeds. So I think so. So I have been teaching corporate meditation since 2010 and teaching folks outside of corporate settings how to use meditation and mindfulness to improve their lives and to improve their relationships to stress and anxiety and the difficulties of life. Right, That's. Can I ask real quick, how did you. How you started in 2010? Well, I started teaching in 2000. How did you find this? Just. I mean, if you can. I don't know if it's. Maybe it's not a quick story, but how did you. Were you a kid? Did you, you know, realize that you had this ability and this spirituality that you wanted to explore more? I remember being, literally being in second grade and hearing from my, my religion teacher. I went to Catholic school and this nun, he was talking about how in the Buddhist religion they take the position that enlightenment, that heaven is now and it's here and it's already available. And I remember being in second grade and going, well, then why the hell do I need to do this Catholic thing and wait to die and hope, fingers crossed that I can somehow, you know, have heaven if heaven is now. So it's stuck in the back of my head and didn't kind of as a seed of interest and didn't mature until I was blessed to go to a very liberal, expensive, which Is the debt part of my early life college called Goucher College in Baltimore, Maryland. I was a psychology major and I took a class called New Directions in psychotherapy. And every week, this Gandalf looking motherfucker, old white dude, hippie, taught a new kind of meditation. And I was like, this is cool, man. Like, I can kind of just stop and do nothing and just watch. Or I can watch my breath, or I can cultivate imagery inside my body and mind. I can start to understand how my mind is working. I got a brief taste of that thing from second grade that was like, oh, heaven on earth. Heaven right now. And then I went off and started, you know, finished my college career, you know, worked with kids for a little bit and then got into entertainment in the background. I was. I would. Sometimes I would meditate, but not really. I wasn't ever really officially trained, but I knew that when I did meditate, I felt better in some form or fashion. So cut to like six years later, my whole life just felt like I was white knuckling through everything and I tried everything else and nothing worked. And I was like, what about that meditation thing? So I started researching teachers, and I found a teacher named Vincent Horn online. Early days of podcasting and online is how I found him. And within several months of a committed practice, my whole entire internal world shifted. And I really was able to kind of recognize the power of meditation as a vehicle for recognizing that this life right here is absolutely gorgeous. And it's always an already calling us to see it as heaven, as the beauty that we are pushing off, that we can realize it right now right here. Wow. Wow, that's beautiful. That's amazing that you found that. That's so cool. Thank you for sharing that. So, wow. And so now this is what you're doing. Didn't you just announce something else? Where is my. Where is my. Where's. Where are my notes? Laughter works. Yeah. With an X dot com. So laughterworkswithanx.com is where you can find the work that I'm doing now. So I'm launching my fourth startup. We are scaling wellness through the power. Hold on, hold on. Fourth. I'm sorry, sorry. Tip. Fourth, right. Can you just go through the other three real quick? So that way everyone knows how brilliant you really are. Ugly Brother Studios, the production company, was the first business that we launched. And then Mike and I launched, but never got off the ground, a startup in the VR space in the late 2000 teens. In 2020 ish, Mike and I launched a kind of food media SaaS business shopability as a service, a digital food media company that gave our audience the ability to eat what they see. So Mike is still running that and that's going great for me. As we talked about in the former version of this podcast on Channel One, I that, you know, the TV stuff and the food media stuff, I just, for me, it just wasn't fulfilling. It just wasn't where I wanted to be in the world as I watched all this suffering. And so I left those businesses and started teaching full time in corporate world and in pro bono work to help folks ease their suffering. And then about seven months ago, one of the world's best comedians, a guy named Craig Shoemaker, former comedian of the year, former top 100 comedian according to IMDb, came out of the woodwork and he's like, dude, I see you doing all this mindfulness based executive coaching and this corporate work. I have a business called Laughter Heels, which was a nonprofit that I want to turn into a for profit model and I want you to help me launch it. And I'm like, no, I'm not interested. I'm doing my thing. I'm crushing it and out in the world. And then I looked under the hood and I saw this beautiful modality of humor and laughter as a way to cut through and get people to come back to that beautiful presence that is always and already here, that sense of heaven on earth quality that is doseable. And I started to ask the question, can I scale this? And then AI clicked in. And so where we are right now is we have these beautiful corporate programs where we teach folks in corporate settings how to show up in creative ways for themselves in the world while reducing stress and increasing engagement on the job and happiness on the job. Using laughter and using. When you pair laughter with mindfulness, you're quite literally rewiring the brain towards joy and add in. So the next phase of our development is AI integration and scaling so that we don't have to limit ourselves to being in person all the time. We can start to use tech as a way to help folks dose themselves with their own humor all day long, every day. That's awesome. That's smart. Wow. Wicked, man. I love that. I love to laugh. That's one thing I love to do, is love to laugh. Laughter heals all. You know, just like Patch Adams. Good old Patch Adams. You know that movie with Robin Williams. I don't know if you remember that. I only referenced that because of the theme of it and what he was trying to accomplish with laughter. And two I was also an extra in that movie. That was the first thing I was in. Oh, cool. That's cool. Yeah, I was. I played a butcher in the butcher's convention. And we all had to act like we were drunk. And it was, you know, it was a film set, it was long as hell. So we kept going across the street to the real bar and getting drinks and so we were really drunk. Oh my gosh. Oh, my gosh. That's so crazy. Those were the days. Well, that's really cool, man. I mean, you know, not. Not hardly anyone. I wonder what the percentage is. We should. I should always. I should just have chat, just, you know, listening and giving me the answers in real time of people that even try, you know, and fail, let alone, you know, try and succeed at, you know, just about everything that they do. So, you know, good on you. I mean, not everyone has the balls, you know, blatantly have the balls to even do it to, you know, everyone. I guess that goes back to what I always say is everyone has. Can have a great idea. Everyone has ideas. It's just, how are you going to execute that idea? Or are you going to execute that idea? Or is it just going to stay an idea? You know, that's the thing. I mean, that's what. As producers, and I think a lot of your audience are producers, we show up in the world and we make shit happen. Like, if we put unscripted producers in charge of the American government, I think we could actually be a hell of a lot more effective than Doge. I think we could figure anything out. That's what's amazing about the power of unscripted producers who encounter the world and figure out how to organize it in such a way that there's a quality of efficiency and focus and clarity of story. But also because we're storytellers, there's a balance of heart and information that's also being delivered. Imagine deploying those skills. If producers in our industry started really thinking of themselves as, as, you know, viable problem solver solvers in. In the world in general, not limited by the entertainment industry, then I think that we'd have a lot more flexibility that our colleagues from the entertainment industry would recognize that there's a lot more flexibility to their skills than they think. They just need to break free from the entanglement of the traditional entertainment industry. Right? So let's solve the world's problems. Let's deploy all of our unscripted producers to solve the world's problems. But it starts with those producers recognizing that they have that superpower within themselves and gaining the confidence out there in the world to just go out and get no a lot, hear no. You're going to hear no a lot. Every no gets you one step closer to yes. Right. So as an entrepreneur, this is a really important thing. When you stack no's up, that's progress. That's progress towards yes. So I just want to kind of encourage your audience and our audience right now to see that as, you know, fertile ground. Your own growth is based on you getting to know. That means you're moving and you're not stopping. Get to know, get to know, get to know. I like that. Moving what we see in the infantry, you keep moving forward. Never step back, always move forward. So that gotcha kind of. You talked a little bit about it. I was going to ask you about the industry and what you think of it bouncing back or how do you think it's going to come back? I think, you know, I asked your brother this too, and he gave me the right answer. And I don't know if I'm looking for validation about YouTube, but that's at least what I see at all going, you know, to social media and YouTube. When we disentangle ourselves from the distribution system, we remember that since the dawn of humanity, we've been telling stories around the campfire in cave drawings. This is our unique skill as a species to be able to tell stories. Stories are not going away. The vehicle for delivery is changing, and it will continue to change. Our job is to recognize our internal, inherent human superpower as storytellers and figure out how to monetize that, how to. How to distribute it. Content is king, but distribution is King Kong. Yeah, right. So these are all just different delivery systems, different distribution models. So I think YouTube is by far the most powerful distribution model available on planet Earth right now. And I think it's a hell of a lot more democratic than the TV industry ever was. But it takes time and effort. So if I was advising, I am advising a lot of folks in this space right now. Start now. The best time to start was yesterday. The second best time to start is today. And do not expect an ROI for at least a year. For at least a year. That's what's scary for everybody to consider. Yeah, but that's the path. Well, I like that path. You know, I'll take that. I'll take that path. And it's hard. Well, thanks. Because, you know, you do you. You know, you put a lot of blood and sweat and a lot of time and you know, money into, into these things and you hope that they, they pan out. And it does take time, you know, and you just have to re, remind yourself. And it does help, you know, with, you know, people like yourself, you know, saying that out loud, you know, that helps because you know, there's times when you're just like, you question yourself, you're like, what am I doing? You know, I mean, because it's a lot like doing all this stuff with, you know, one person, you know, just filming it and doing all that is one thing. Editing and then the social media and having to get it out there and like be present all the time, you know, that full time, that takes time. I mean it's full time job. It's amazing what you can do. But it's fun and I love it and it's the wave of the future and you know, I'm going to keep talking about shenanigans on here and well. I'm curious by the way about this if you're interested in doing a slightly deeper dive into the trajectory and the growth of your YouTube channel. You know, what are your goals and what is the path towards achieving those goals? What have you learned as you've gone on that path and how have you kind of pivoted? So if you don't mind, what are your goals, how do you get there and what have you learned along the way? I mean, I guess the number one goal is try to get monetized, try to, you know, get some return on, on what I've been, been working on and just to have fun telling stories. I mean, I've learned that, you know, you just can't do this for myself, to please myself and my buddies because then just myself and my buddies are going to watch this. So I have to think about an audience and what they're wanting to watch and what they're wanting to hear. And it seems like they, they do like some of the stories that we're telling. It started with the lure of Top Gear and how I was an assistant director on that for five seasons and some of the craziest and most fun days of my life were part of that show and days working on that, on that show. So, you know, now we're pivoting to, you know, other shows, other people in the industry. I'm also think I am currently having, you know, veterans or active duty military friends on to talk about shenanigans that they have because everyone has crazy behind the scenes stories from every industry, you know, everywhere. It's just how you tell them and how you, you know, keep that going and not, I guess, die off, you. Know, because it's got the interesting. That's the interesting thing about your model, if I may, is you have a big category which is behind the scenes of your favorite unscripted reality shows through the eyes of the people who lived it. And there's still a huge market for unscripted reality shows. And so what's intriguing to me, if I were advising you on the creative on your channel, is like, what are the biggest reality shows on earth right now with voracious audiences who are clamoring for more from behind the scenes? And can you start to draft off of the interest of, you know, Life below Deck and Mr. Beast games? You know what I mean by interviewing folks with great stories of the BTs behind the scenes of those stories and be strategic about it. And also get. Not that you're not being strategic about it right now, but what I mean by that is building audience is really about collabing. So if you've got that person with 50,000 followers on Instagram, you can collab post to promote your YouTube channel episode with them, because they're talking about what it was like when, you know, that Real Housewives person slapped that other Real Housewives person or whatever, which basically 17 times per season, every season, you know, now you've got an of the minute BTS that's adding value to a current story. So I'm just intrigued to see where you might be able to take that. No, I like that. I like that. And I did a lot of research, and there are some. I didn't find any. Any. Anything like what I'm trying to do other than contestants like from the Bachelor or, you know, Love is Blind, you know, all those dating or those kind of shows where they'll have podcasts where they talk about those specific shows about being on camera. So it's not about the BTs and the shenanigans behind. It's more about what happened in that. Episode, you know, so, dude, that's the thing. It's like a treasure trove of secret stories that you're bringing out into the world. Keep doing what you're doing, man. I just think you're onto something really special here. Ah, thank you, Tim. You know, that means a lot coming from you. I mean, I have so much respect for you. Always have. You've always been such a great dude and, you know, very, very fun. A good soccer player as well, as I recall. You know, long ago, bro, long ago I was Always in awe of you and your skills, my friend. You know what? I. I can. I have touch and people. Because I was a bigger dude, so people always thought that I. You know, they thought I was a rugby player and not a soccer player, but I had some touch, so I got some touch. But thank you. That. That means a lot. So, anyways, I have a few more questions for you before I let you go. Just some crazy ones, because I know you like crazy questions. So let me ask, if you wake up one morning and realize you've been turned into an animatronic character at Chuck E. Cheese. Yeah. What's your stage name and what's your act? I would be Nasty Penguin would be my stage name. And I'd be adorable and terrifying somehow simultaneously. So you want to get close to me, but then you get a little too close, and I'm gonna. With my flippers. You're gonna flip them. You're gonna flip them. Get away. Honor my space. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's funny. All right. Okay, I like that. What about if you're a film crew followed you around for 24 hours? Okay. But it had to be shot as a horror movie. What would the scariest part, daily routine be? It would be going into Chuck E. Cheese's and encountering myself as Nasty Penguin and getting my own ass kicked by myself. Oh, my God. Oh, that's funny. I mean, Chuck E. Cheese. I mean, did you guys go when you're a kid? We didn't really have that kind of money. No. Yeah. So if we went, it was usually because somebody else that had money brought us in for their birthday party. That's so funny you say that. We would. We had one. I'm from Washington, and so we had one in. In, like, the Seattle area in Federal Way, and it was the only one. And we had their local TV channel, so we always saw ads for it, but of course, we never got to go unless we went over there. And it sucked, man. Being a kid. You know what? Let me tell you. Here's. Here's my little side story for you. You know how most families and kids, they go to Disneyland for summer vacation, right? You know? Yeah, yeah. Not the Maguires. No, no, no. We lived close to the Canadian border up there, you know, way up there. And so we would roll up to B.C. and. Or is it Alberta? One of those. And we go to Bedrock City. Bedrock City is just. It's like it was in Kelowna, bc, and it was just like this. This. I don't even know what to call it? Like, it's an attraction with like, like stone mobiles from the Flintstones that didn't move. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Anyways, that's my tangent. I don't even know what I'm talking about. That's crazy, dude. Yeah, yeah. Chuck E. Cheese. It was the Chuck E. Cheese of Disneyland at Bedrock City, dude. I mean, things trash. And you're like, have they ever cleaned any of this? Like, you're in the ball pit and you literally feel yourself as a 7 year old contracting gonorrhea. Oh, my God, that's funny. Okay. Oh, yeah, I got one. I got. I got. I think I got two more. Wait, I got one. Wizard. Okay. Wizard appears and offers you the ability to time travel. Okay, but the. But only to crash famous movie sets and cause chaos. Which set do you visit first and what do you do? Chaos. God, what a weird question. Let's say the Matrix. And the chaos that I would cause is. I think that I would go to the Wachowski brothers and say, you're not going to be brothers for much longer and give them permission to be who they really were back then in a world that didn't know how to receive them and they were scared to be who they were. And I would like to see more of that. I know that's crazy. You asked the crazy question. But, like, one of the saddest things that I see in this world is, are people who can't be who they are. And I love that the Wachowskis pioneered becoming who they are. And I don't know, when you look back at the Matrix and you see how deep and rich that film was, especially for a meditation teacher, I. I'd love to. I would have loved to have seen an even deeper, richer exploration of personal identity and the illusory nature of self. Hmm. Wow. All right, you heard it. You heard it here, you guys. Wow. You're amazing, though. You're. I mean, you know, I can't tell you what it means to have you on the show. I mean, you're such a great dude, you know, so kind, caring, you know, Know. And I love, I love where you're going. It's so awesome. It's spiritual. Like it, like it lifts other people up to see what you're doing, you know? So thank you. I appreciate you so much for saying all those beautiful things. And I feel. I feel the same way about you. I just feel like there's this quality of connection that we've always had and such an honor to be on these shows with you today. Thank you. Well, thank you, Duffy. Is there anything else you got going on? I mean, what else? Any other startups you have? No, but look, this is the last job and business that I ever want to build. This is the one, right? Using laughter as medicine. Go to laughterworks.com check it out for yourself. I'd love people's help to help me spread the word. We need more and more happiness and joy in this world, and I'm doing that through my corporate programs. Um, so if you want to bring me in and my team in, and my partner, Craig Shoemaker, one of the greatest comedians of all time, to help you transform your teams through the power of laughter, we will not disappoint. It's actually pretty extraordinary work that we're doing, so that's all I'd like to say about that. God bless. I love that and I love good energy, too. I'm all about good laughter and some good energy, so. Well, thanks for coming on, dude. Hey, guys, I just want to remind everyone to like and subscribe, go to my website, goford.com my swag, our YouTube channel at go for Donnie. The playlist for Switch. Channel two is there and we better get back to channel one because they're always calling me, Tim. They're always calling me. Calling you? Yeah. Go for Donnie. Go for Duffy. Go for. Go for who? Huh? What? Go for you? Thanks for coming on, Tim. I love you, man. All right, later, buddy. Production for Donnie. Go for Donnie. Locations for Donnie. Go for Donnie's up for Donnie. Go for Donnie. Hey, Donnie. What the hell are they doing?