From Tony Robbins’ Inner Circle to a $130M Wellness Vision | René Deceuninck on Leadership & Conscious Living

In this powerful episode, I sit down with special guest René — entrepreneur, visionary, and conscious developer currently based in Dubai and originally from Belgium,  whose mission goes far beyond business.

René is building multiple retreat and wellness spaces designed to inspire conscious living, personal transformation, human connection, and intentional growth. His work combines entrepreneurship, wellbeing, mindset, and purpose-driven development in a way that impacts thousands of people across different communities and industries.

From being part of the crew surrounding Tony Robbins to creating spaces that encourage healing, reflection, and expansion, René shares the experiences, philosophies, and inspirations that continue to drive his journey forward.

We talk about:

•  Building wellness and retreat centers with purpose 
•  Conscious living in modern society 
•  The mindset behind impactful entrepreneurship 
•  High-level environments and transformational communities 
•  What success truly means 
•  Human connection, energy, and intentionality 
•  Staying grounded while influencing large networks and projects 

This conversation is a deep dive into what it means to create with intention while still operating at a high level in business, leadership, and global impact.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

So today on Business at Heals, we have Renee, and he's speaking on his intentions of building the wellness centers. So please give us some more introduction about yourself.

SPEAKER_00 0:13

All right. Thank you so much, Aren, for this uh introduction. Um yes, indeed, my name is Renee de Koenig, and I have the intention of building a resort in the eight resorts, in fact. The first one is gonna be in the Emirates in Razal Chima. And uh where does that start, in fact, and long story very short, um, is that we were born and raised with homeopathics or uh through our mom and dad, and I kept doing that my whole life until today. I never took one piece of medication. Uh, the second part is I was an engineer in the forces, so I know a little bit about building and and and construction. Um, on the other hand, uh, what I see is that a lot of people uh go through also all kinds of challenges and on the level of, I mean the internal kitchen, uh, their body, they they're not taking care of. The society is pushing sugar and and and all kinds of things. So for me, it's like based on on the fact that I live on homeopathics, healthy food, etc. etc. It's like how can I help society for those who want to be helped? Because a lot of people don't really want to help, be helped, right? But what I do is that I show there's a way to do that, and we'll do that in the form of a resort in a very natural way. Maybe a little, I'll explain a little bit later about the the constructions and stuff. But the thing is, it's about helping people, making their mind shift um that there is a way for a healthy lifestyle. There is a way for sure, and that's why I think we also had that amazing conversation in in Dubai. So, yeah, it's quite does that does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Absolutely, absolutely, and you know, you say that with such, you know, it's it's for you, it's a normal thing, right? But not everyone was raised that way, you know. For some of us, you know, we come from a more, I guess, survival um background where we had to survive and we had to do whatever we had to do to survive, and we didn't have the knowledge or the resources to um really manifest a life like that, you know, a life without, you know, drugs, um, you know, straying away from the medical industry um and not being a commodity to them. And um, so it's very interesting that you know you say you were born into that. Tell me please, was it one side of your family or was it both sides that were aligned um in this kind of upbringing?

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Both sides, uh both sides were aligned, um, in the sense that um I see I saw in those days also people taking traditional medication, but traditional medication still was produced in a way to heal people. Um today, medicals, medical um medicines are created to keep them as a customer, you know, not to heal. And and but my my dad was like that, my mom was like that, and they were really like one team, and they pushed us as much as they could in the hope we would continue doing it as an adult. But there was the boatways, and even from the grandparents forward, there was like raw vegetables, uh, you know, all kinds of healthy food. But then also in those days when you ate a tomato, you ate a tomato. Today you're wondering if this is this a tomato, you know, it tastes differently. I mean, I I had my first watermelon in in Dubai, and it was so tasteful when I come back here in Europe. I was like, what the heck is wrong with that watermelon? You know, it's the whole god, whole industry that changes uh the way of food, uh consuming food. And but to come back to your question, yeah, both parents were like that. They were like 100% one team and they pushed us as much as they could, and thank God they did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

Absolutely. Um, I want to see people with that upbringing actually changing our perspectives in this world. And I say that because I have a lot of grace for people who don't have the knowledge, right? You know, it's um it's something that takes time, you know, it's a wave that I want to see. And I uh when I heard what you're trying to do or what what you actually doing, um, let me put it more that way, it inspires me, but I want this to inspire other people that don't have the resources too, right? Um you actively live what you preach, right? Um could you tell us how old you are right now?

SPEAKER_00 5:03

Uh there's a six in front of it. Uh I done 60 in November.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

Well, you don't look it, right? And that's the point I was trying to make.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:13

Um, that's the that's exactly the point I was trying to make because there's people that you know, when they basically are used to a certain type of routine that is not beneficial for themselves, they feel also like the victim, right? They feel like, you know, oh well, you know, uh, I have this problem physically, I can't really walk. Um, it becomes a lot of complaining, right? It becomes a lot of, oh, well, this is what happened to me. Well, what if it what if we could switch that and actually make people aware that these are choices that we're making? Right?

SPEAKER_00 5:57

The advantage of being in the armed forces for seven years, and in the armed forces, it's all about discipline in those days. I don't know, today, I mean, it's been too long. I left the forces, but in those days it was all about discipline, consistent uh consistency, and and I continue doing that in my life as well. If you want a healthy lifestyle, you have to be consistent, you have to be disciplined, you have to be that there's no there's no there's no other way. There's that is that's the way. I mean, I was a co-author for another book. I mean, I wrote a couple of books, and then in that co-authorship, uh, the title was Watch Me and I'll show you. And and then the title of the book itself, it was what 20, 20 writers, was Unstoppable Courage. And about the unstoppable courage, it's about watch me, I'll show you. And and I said that my whole life to myself, to not to anybody else, just to myself, watch me and I'll show you. And when you use that, you have to succeed, there's no other way, but you have to do the job, right? If you say, watch me, I'll show you, and you go to the shop and you buy yourself a bottle of wine. I mean, I don't, that's not gonna work, right? We we both agree on that. But watch me and I'll show you. I was a chef in school, I was a certified chef when I came out of school, and then I became uh a navy from the navy. I mean, I I think I showed you the story before. From the Navy, I became an engineer, engineer uh jumping out of airplanes and then flying airplanes, and then the people, how do you do that? And I and I held only one sentence watch me, I'll show you. I mean, it's not about me or what I did, it's about the fact if you want something in life, you can, and let's get back to the healthy lifestyle. If you want a healthy lifestyle, you can, but you have to do the job, and you can say to yourself, watch me, I'll show you to yourself, and then you should succeed.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Amazing. Um, I've sat down with a lot of you know amazing creators out there, you know, successful in business. And one thing they always tell me is that Irene, there are no shortcuts in life. Like you don't get anywhere trying to take the easy way out, you know, and that's that's something that I find, especially now, you know, with um where we're at in this world with AI, you know, with um social media, we see people who are thriving, right? And we think we can emulate that in like one year, quick wins, you know. And um, I'm more old school when it comes to that. And when you say discipline, I understand the value of discipline. And I understand the value of working together with disciplined people. So that is very valuable because a lot of people don't understand, and it takes people like you, you know, who have achieved so much success in their lives to actually come and and and and coach and mentor these people. Is that something that you also do?

SPEAKER_00 8:52

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And where did it all start? It started on on the first step of the ladder. You know, you start where you have to start, and it was a rough way, a rough way, a very rough way. But uh, and then people would say, Hey, would you come and speak in Thailand? I said, Absolutely. And I was thinking, like, oh me, big dollars, you know, and this, and I said, uh, what's in it for me? Well, uh, you'll have exposure. I said, No, no, no, no, financially. Oh, nothing. And you'll have to pay for your flights, you'll have to pay for your hotel, and you don't get paid from to speak from stage, and whatever you sell from stage, 60% stays with us. And I was like, wait a minute, what do you what can you put that on paper? I said, Absolutely. And I received a contract with 24 pages, but that's how I started. I invested in myself first, and I said, you know what, let's do it. And I went to Thailand on my own expenses, and I did everything on my own expenses, and I sold a lot of courses from stage, not thinking any further that I would have to go back to Thailand to go to give these courses, right? Another flight, another hotel on my own behalf. So for me, that whole you know, these the start, it was an um was a lesson uh in in life that I share with people like, hey, sometimes you have to invest in yourself first before you go to the next step. Absolutely, yeah. Like the the teaching that I today more than ever, I've been you know, collaborating with Tony Robbins and with all these these big names, and um Brian Tracy and Jack Canfield, and but that that didn't happen overnight. Yeah, it's been it's been 30 years I've been doing this. So if people think like, oh, today I'm gonna start, I'm gonna be the coach, and uh next week I'll be with uh Tony Robbins on stage, I don't think so. This is this is not how it works in this world, but and it's the same with the resort. After two or three years, I said, How come I don't have any investors? And investors would come to me, Renee. These things take time. Yes, this takes time, it has to be developed. You have to don't expect today to write a business plan and tomorrow to get the money. That doesn't work like that. I couldn't understand it now. I do, but that is yeah, but the coaching, yeah, it's been uh quite a journey too, you know, and I love it.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

Yeah, yeah. Because one thing is for sure, you have the energy to do it, right? And you have experience. And we talked about this when we met in Dubai, right? We talked about how important experience is, and um be this is, you know, also for me, like, you know, I'm still very much at the start of my career, but um, I also see people who you know are starting out and see what I do and try to do the same thing, and it's very interesting because you make it look easy when you have experience, right? You make it look um achievable, and especially now with social media, people will see it and people will want to do it, but you cannot put a price on experience, and you cannot put a price on actually exposing yourself, and then um it also comes with understanding decision making, right? What decisions are going to bring out the outcome that I actually want? If I'm in the health and wellness space, what um opportunities am I taking on me and whatnot? All these things play a role in your journey, and I'm sure you can write a book about it if you haven't already.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Yes, but I mean I've I've I've I had a journey with Tony Ramos in a different in a different uh uh environment. I was his bodyguard for two years, and and then afterwards I I said to him, Thank you so much, but I have a business to run. And he says, Hey, thank you for your services. And we had an amazing time, and and also with his uh with his uh his wife, Sage, amazing, amazing, beautiful soul. And um, and then after a year, uh after those two years, I started chasing the organization who booked him year in, year out. Because they book him, so why wouldn't I work with them? They booked the biggest on the planet, so I want to work with them, not with anybody else. And after a year, I was so sick and tired of chasing that that specific person. I'm not gonna name any names here. Um, and I remember it like yesterday. It was in London Earth's Court in the IBIS Hotel. I remembered it like yesterday, and I slept in my car. I'm talking about many, many years ago. I slept in my car because I had to choose do I use the money in my wallet to put gas in the car or to book a hotel room. That was the kind of money I had. I don't know if you can imagine that, but this is really I was in low, low budget. And uh it was fascinating because the things you invent in those situations are amazing. And then I I went to the reception and and I knew the lady from that company who booked Tony Robbins, she was she was going to be there. And I bumped into her in the reception. I said, Oh, how are you doing this and this? Are you telling you? Do you have like a minute for a cup of coffee? Oh, yeah, sure. We started chatting. I said, Listen, one question, one question only. Are we in business or not? I have been chasing you for a full year, you know it. And are we in business? Yes, and I had nothing to lose, right? And and and the lady stood up and she and she left. I said, Oh, I blew it, you're right. And she came back with her PA and she said, Take all of this information, he's our new speaker on board. Oh wow, and for me, that was decision time, and sometimes you have to invest in money, in time, and lose money, and lose money, and keep losing money, but then all of a sudden, bang, and you start growing, and yeah, that's a journey, and not everybody wants to pay that price.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

But you have to pay it if you want to get somewhere, and most people most well-known speakers or entrepreneurs all went through the same journey. If you listen to Steve Harvey, yes, his journey, mama.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

That that car scene you just mentioned, that reminded me of him, right? Because he had a story just like that, couldn't pay for rent, had to live in his car for for months, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Yeah, lost everything three times, divorced three times. Wow, all kinds of yeah, but that is the question always, what do you want? Yeah, if you if I and somebody in Dubai said to me, if people want to come to Dubai to have to be in a comfort zone, please stay home. It's not gonna work. Your comfort zone.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

Yeah, right. Wow. So tell me, you you just said something to me. You said you have to know what you want and you have to go for it, and and that's great to see it that way. Now, I've lived in Bali for over a year, right? And I've seen people who claim that manifestation is actually something that you know you don't have to wait for years, you can manifest very quickly, right? And if if we're thinking from that angle, and if we're also thinking that you know we are spiritual, um, every one of us that is on this earth, and also one further um thought is we choose our life before birth. And I'm going deeper into this, and I just want to know your stance on that. Do we actually have to go through these things, these experiences, or can we manifest in a way that is actually quicker?

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Everything is possible in life. What I did, if I can do it, anybody can do that. Because I was not the biggest light in school, you know. I had very bad grades, and ending up as a pilot. I mean, and people warn me, you have to study for that, Renee. You're not gonna make it. Spare yourself the depression and and disillusion of going not succeeding. I said, you know what? Watch me, I'll show you. All comes down to the same thing, and then anyway. But it you can choose a path, but you have to be disciplined, and sometimes you lose friends, and sometimes you lose friends to make new friends. Um there was uh a film producer, Tyler Perry. He said once on stage, you know, some of these people are like rocket boosters, you know, they boost a rocket into towards the the sky, and at a certain level they fall off. They're not bad people, but they're not meant to go where you go. And and and sometimes you lose people. I had a conversation with Jack Anfield as well about uh chicken soup for the soul and and over about friendships and levels of consciousness. And he says the higher you go in levels of consciousness, the less people there are, but the higher the quality of the conversations and the outcomes of the conversations, and those people in the lower layers, nothing wrong with them, they're they're amazing people, but they can't reach you anymore. And that's when you start understanding that higher levels of consciousness will give you different results, they will make place for different people. I lost a lot of people, but there was other people coming instead from a higher quality of life, a higher quality of thinking. I'm not talking about money, I'm talking about here levels of consciousness. So, yeah. So, can you can you change in a split second if you want to?

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

If it's if if you you got it has a traffic light and it's red, it can change. You can you can you can choose do I continue or do I stop? Obviously, it's red, you're gonna stop, right? But that's the decision, but the same decision you can make in life. Do I keep working for a company because I love that? Keep working for that company. But I was thinking about becoming independent. Well, you know what? Let's do it. Wow, yeah, and I take decisions very quickly. Yeah, I made a lot of wrong decisions too. Okay, don't I I admit that I made a lot of wrong decisions, but not taking a decision is the worst decision.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

Absolutely, absolutely. Wow, what you just said speaks to me in a way that I wasn't expecting. Um, only yesterday I was reflecting of now being a year and a half in you know, my journey of being, you know, an entrepreneur, owning my own business, having the um consultancy company. And even though I'm not, you know, anywhere near the people that I feel inspire me, I know that the first step, making that first step in losing, you know, the security that you think you have with a stable job, you know, you're a consultant for a company, you know, you feel a certain type of achievement. And letting go of that, it takes guts to do that, right? And so yeah, so what you just said made a lot of sense to me. And I see my peers um in industries that don't serve them, right? And but and and they then they watch my stories, what I'm doing, and they then they ask questions, and they're trying to, you know, figure out if they can do it as well. What do you say to to people in that scenario? For me, it reminds me of people that actually it's it's similar to having a certain diet and wanting to change. Like you're drinking a lot of coconut, but you want to actually look like a bodybuilder.

SPEAKER_00 21:02

Um, when I started my business in 1995, 30 years ago, um yeah, I had a supermarket with all kinds of products. And when I say products, I mean in the personal development area about contract management, about uh motivation, about this. I had like tons of products in my in my in my company. And the weird thing was I didn't have any customers. And I'm like, hmm, and and now you're gonna have fun with what I'm gonna say next. And uh, I approached the guy and says, uh, how come in? I've these beautiful products mean trainings and workshops about this and this and this and this and this. And he said to me, Renee, listen very carefully, you have to have a niche. And I said, Wow, that's so true. And I drove home thinking to and saying to myself, What's a niche? I had no clue, I had no idea. You have to remember, I'm Belgium, so I sp in that in those days I spoke Flemish and French. And a little bit of English. And when they say you have to have a niche, I was like, yeah, whatever. And I think what's a niche, man. And I started. And in those days, there was no Google. It didn't exist. It was barely computers. And um, but then I found out what it was, and I was like, Oh, yeah, we'll find something. And one day I was invited by a uh bunch of people. Hey, Renee, we go to a body language seminar, and it's for free. Come on, join us, and it's a full day, we're gonna have fun. And I said, Man, body language, that's for hippies, that's not for me. That was the kind of attitude I had in those days. And um, I said, You guys go, you come back and tell me what you saw, or what you heard, or what how does that work? And they said, No, no, no, no, no, you're coming with us. I said, No, no, no, no, you guys go come back and tell me, you know, entrepreneur, delegate, and that's and um I ended up going with them, long story short. Best decision ever, because I have to manage. Today I teach body language all over the planet in businesses because 90% of all communication is non-verbal, and only 20 is aware of it, 20 in business and society in general, only 20, 80 has no clue about non-verbal communication, and when you know how it works, you have complete different results with what you do in business, in communication, in conversations, in all kinds of ways, right? But for me, to come back to your question, is that find something that you wake up with, you can't stop thinking about it, you go to bed with it, you have dreams about it. Once you have that thing, and it doesn't matter if it's frying chicken, like KFC, it doesn't matter if it's if it's if it's becoming a chef in the kitchen, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter what it is, it has to be yours, right? And that is something I mean. My next step is is is flying again. I I I I look I saw I look forward to get my license back because yeah, each year you have to fly XYZ hours to get to keep your license. I don't have my license anymore, but that's the next thing, and then skydiving and all these things. I mean, this is all on the list, and now to get back to you is if people say, Well, I don't know, I said, I know you don't know, but suppose you would know, and this is NLP. If you say suppose you would know, you activate the brain of that person and they start thinking. So when I ask people, What is it? I mean, you want to become an entrepreneur. Okay, what would you like to do? Well, I don't know. I say, I know you don't know, so I confirm, and then I say, Suppose you would know. What would it be? Come on, tell me, Rennie. I really, really don't know. I say, I know you don't know, but you know what? Think, suppose you would know. Tell me, and then they stop thinking, and all of a sudden things come to the surface from the time they were kids, the time this and this, and then I said, Okay, let's say that's how the resort was born. But maybe I don't know if I can explain that right now or not.

SPEAKER_02 25:07

Of course, go for it.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

Says, What why where does the resort come from? Is I had a friend and he said, Renee, all the things you have done in life, and I'm talking about about 10 years ago, 2015. From all the things you've done in life, if you put all of these things together in one casserole, you stir it, what would come out? And I said, Wow, that's an amazing idea. Let's do it. And what came out was the resort hell building. I fell in, I was 12 years old, went skiing for the very first time in Switzerland, and I saw log homes for the very first time. I said, Wow, one day I'm gonna build one. Wow, you know the resort is built with pointy log homes. Wow, you know what I mean? And the reason why log homes, uh let's let's save that for later. But the the log homes, the engineering, the the cooking, because I'm a chef, um, hospitality, uh, health, you know, health-wise, how reverse aging, how does that work? How can you heal cancers? How can you uh use stem cell techniques for certain uh purposes? All of these things together, and I'm like, wow, a new concept is born, and it's my baby. Now, when people would do the same, but the things they have done when they were young and little, and then uh you know, young adults, and then became uh in their they did in their 30s and 40s, when you put all of that stuff together in one pot and one casserole and start it, what would come out? That's what I did, and I was like, wow, and if I can, anybody can. Honestly, it's not it's not so difficult. And even if you say I'm gonna write it down and and little pieces of paper and then put them in the pot, and you can do whatever you want, but it is the idea that you can do anything in life if you want to, but thinking and create, thinking and creating, and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

Let's touch on thinking and creating, and let's add one other layer that I think is very important. They say you're the average of your five closest friends. How does that play a role in creation?

SPEAKER_00 27:28

A major role.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

This weekend I spend uh a day and a half with an old friend of mine, and um he's well in all kinds of ways, but that's not why I still in contact with him. I'm in contact with him because he has the brain, I can pick his brain, and he already did what I want to go. Wow, you know what I mean? So I want to pick his brain. The reason I became a bodyguard with Tony Robbins is a is a complete process that I'm not gonna explain here, but I didn't want to become a dog a bodyguard, I wanted to pick his brain. Yeah, Robbins did it up front, not me. So if I can walk one meter or two meters behind him, whatever he went, we went, pick his brain. Of course, I did the job I had to do, don't get me wrong. I mean, and then the job of a bodyguard is not that simple, but I was so happy I could pick his brain. So I got Robins, I got I got um my friend in London, I've got, I mean, and it's so true. The five people you surround yourself on a daily basis, that's who you become. It's um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

So let let me quickly like just prepare like a reverse question in that. You said you do a lot of coaching, you said you spend time actually teaching people who want to become as successful as you are. Would you consider that time spent? Would you say that that rubs off on you? And so if you are in a higher position, would you uh limit the time you spend with such people?

SPEAKER_00 29:15

Um I gladly give away my time to people who want something who are hungry. Um I was in uh in Iran not that long ago in November. Um what I saw, these people are hungry, they're hungry for information, and I am so happy I can share my information with them, yeah. Um and um it's it's amazing. I want to help people who want to be helped. Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

That's a great way to put it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

I want to I want to help people who want to help be helped. Um sometimes I I I send small amounts of money to to to Africa to certain people in Africa that I know very well, they're very dear to me. One day a lady called me and she says, You send me money 50 euro, by the way. You send me money for a full month's food for my whole family.

SPEAKER_02 30:15

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 30:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

It's it's yeah, these things this is decision time. You have to take decisions in life.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I think that is um, I felt that when you said that. Um, I have a an orphanage um back in Bali that we support, and we take the children once in a year, we take them out for um a children's day where they get to play, they get to watch movies. And just yesterday they sent me um videos of how they're celebrating Christmas, and you know, they remember you and they want to share those experiences with you because they connect joyful moments with you, right? And those are the moments that I feel most appreciated, you know. And so even, you know, obviously I'm still at the start of my career, but even with this um work that I'm doing, it's very rewarding in that the people that I'm helping are showing that you know they appreciate, however, um on this journey, I've also realized there's people that will come to you because if you light, they come to you and you attract everyone, right? So, how do you and time is limited? Let me just put that out there. So, how do you distinguish in those instances who you help and how do you make these decisions?

SPEAKER_00 31:54

Um that's when they call me the why guy. Why are you talking to me? Well, this and this and that, okay. So, this particular uh subject, why? Well, Renee, because you know this and this and this, this and that. Okay, and interesting, but then this one, why the only thing I do is why but sometimes people lie to you, yes, and how can you let them talk themselves into their lives is by asking questions like why there was um there was a I had an experience, it was not me, it was uh with Tony Robbins. I don't know if I can mention it here. Uh, if you want to, you can leave to one. So there was a story with um Tony Robbins, and and he came to London um 2016. Uh there was 3,000 people in the room, XL London, and um he's coming down from the stage, walks down the aisle, and he points at a lady and he says, Lady, stand up. And she stands up, and there's no pre-screening or scanning or filling in forms or anything, but you sometimes you feel people, you see people, you feel them. And he says, Uh, lady, why are you here? Give them my give the lady a microphone. There's 3,000 people, there's big video screens in the room, and uh on her face, and uh and she says, Wow, I wanted to hear certain information tonight that I really need from you, and now I'm speaking to you. It's such an honor, Mr. Robbins. Blah blah blah blah. And he says, Oh, that's interesting. So, why are you here? He says, Well, I just told you because I wanted to hear information, and he said, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand, but why are you here? Well, you know, there's certain things in life I want to, you know, uh know some answers, and I had some questions and so okay, okay, okay. So, why are you here? And and she started like all of a sudden, after five, six wives, she broke down in pieces and she says, Mr. Robbins, if I don't hear tonight what I have to hear, I'll commit suicide. Oh wow, you see, people cover up stuff, but if you ask enough wise, you start finding out the truth, and they will talk themselves into it. Okay, and you do you use that technique to help people. Um, at the same time, what I do, I read body language at that in that specific moment, I will start reading body language, right? Where do the eyes go? What do the hands do? What do the feet do? The feet are far more important than all the rest of the body because the feet are the body parts the furthest away from the brain, so the less controllable. So the feet will do anyway. I'm not gonna give you a seminar on body language here, but when you these things, the questioning and then reading body language, you can find so many beautiful things about people. Um, if if if what they say is congruent with their body language, for example. Uh, some some people some people say things and their body says differently. For me, these are red flags. I mean, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:10

This is definitely something that I would love to bring um into the business retreat format that we're doing right now in Bali. So this is valuable knowledge for the future, and um, so we can definitely talk on this later. But the question is still, and I love that question, you know, why are you here? Why am I here? Um, I'm here because I want to know more about the um wellness centers, the resorts that you're building. Um, also because I am in the wellness industry, and it's always important for me to be informed, to learn from people who are doing something great, and to see how we can, you know, raise the vibration of the world together, because you know, this is the world I live in and I care about it, you know, and that's why I'm in this industry. And so for us, we're you know, doing the business retreats and we're having our Ayurvedic products uh that are coming. So right now I want to really give you the spotlight to um talk about your intentions about the wellness centers.

SPEAKER_00 36:25

Okay, in the first place, um what I want to explain is that there was a pool, and in the pool was a lot of fish. Okay, there was a lot of fishermen sitting around the pool, nobody was catching anything, and there was only one guy who was catching fish after fish after fish, and and the guys are there must be some fish in there because he's catching all the fish. So they kept on fishing the way they were fishing. And what happens is that all of a sudden one of the guys approaches the guy who is fishing all the time, and he says, How do you do that? He says, Well, I I put something in my hook the fish is likes. And if you put on your hook what people are liking, you're in business. Yeah, you just have to make sure that you deliver what you preach.

SPEAKER_02 37:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

Right? So the resort is based on, as I explained earlier, is based on my experiences in life, from engineering to uh share in the kitchen to uh I did a study in molecular medicine as well. Um, all these things together, the result is a resort. But why the resort? It's because I want I want to make sure that people who want to live long can do can actually do that through a certain way of going through a certain process. A wooden house, for example, why do we build log homes? A log home is a is a home built for the people who don't know what a log home is. A log home is a home built with trees. And I've got people say, Why are you gonna build that in the in in in the desert? I said, Well, kind of, yeah. Well, what about 50-60 degrees Celsius? It's wood, it will catch fire. I said, I I mean, I'll you know what? Try it. Put a log home on fire. It's not gonna happen. A brick home will catch fire far more faster than a wooden home. But anyway, why a wooden home? It's because the energy in wood has certain frequencies, certain vibrations. And how do I know? I lived in one for a year to find out. I moved all of my stuff to a log home, lived in a log home for a full year. I wanted to know what is a log home. So when I preach about it, I know what I'm talking about because I did it. So 20 log homes, wellness center in the middle with a restaurant, and a convention center. Why in convention center? We're gonna do workshops with leaders in the industry about reverse aging, about uh stem cell techniques, about healing cancers. And I have a lot of friends and and people I know that are very wealthy. But when you're wealthy, you want to live a thousand years because you you have the money, right? So you want as long as you want to live as long as possible, right? So that's why we facilitate that resort as well for people who say, Hey, listen, I want to come, I want to learn, and I want to apply. Um, I want to create ambassadors, people who come and they said, Hey, did you go to that resort? Because we're gonna have doctors on board, nurses on board. Uh, one of uh a very good friend of mine from Belgium, he is uh he has a company where they um train people to be chef in in families, in private jets, and you know, but also serving people who serve people. For example, each log home will have a male and a female servant. And if the client says, Hey, we're gonna order this and this food, what do you recommend in terms of wine? That person should be able to answer that question. That's the one I'm talking about, right? Um, and then we have the wellness. The wellness is uh based on also in loghome style, obviously, but it's based on 10 years of study and going to sauna to wellness centers to you know feed my eyes and my brain, and how do they do it? How do they do this? How do they do that, and then pick all of that together and make my own thing that really makes sense in a far more uh developed state. And I have yeah, top top people on board, uh, top companies on board. Um, one thing that was very important uh as well is security, safety, and security. Um, we have a security company that is uh taking care of that because we have all kinds of uh I shall say people from the football industry, from the golf industry, but also royalties. We got film stars, actors coming, and we're already booked, and we still have to build this.

SPEAKER_01 41:01

Amazing, amazing. I mean, that's a good way to start, right? You're already booked.

SPEAKER_00 41:08

So, yeah, so the the idea came from me feeling feeling in love with falling in love with the lock home, doing the engineering in the in the armed forces, um being a pilot plays a role in as well. Um, and then the chef, uh, the the healthy lifestyle, my mom and dad who raised me with herbs and all this and all these things. So when I combine all of that, uh we started building, we started like, oh, one acre, two acres, no, no, let's go for 20 acres, no, let's go for 25 acres. We started building and building and building, and now we have a full concept, and we already booked for one full year uh without building anything yet, right? But we have lots of meetings with investors now in Dubai as well, and uh in Oman and Qatar, people who really want to be a part of this concept, and uh yeah, amazing.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

Um, when people hear, or when I've talked about this, and obviously I'm inspired by what you're doing, and people hear two billion and they're like, two billion, that's a lot of money. What do you say to such people?

SPEAKER_00 42:20

Um, that's not a lot of money. That's peanuts. No, no, it's a lot of money, seriously. It's a money, it's a lot of money. Um we're talking about eight resorts. We're not talking about one resort, one resort is 255 million dollars. Um, that's the basis. And then if you multiply that by eight, obviously it's 2.04 billion dollars. Um, so for investors, um, there's equity, there is return on investment, there's all kinds of uh programs we're offering, uh like free, stay free in the resort for XYZ time. Um no matter where, if you're in Australia or in Thailand or in UAE or whatever you which resort you all you go. I mean, there's I mean memberships, right? We're even now looking into creating a um a landing path for helicopters and private jets near the resort, plus uh private golf terrain, 18 holes. So yeah, but all secured, uh safe, uh very safe, all secured with uh bodyguards and stuff, and yeah. So that is uh the whole yeah, I don't know if that answers your question.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

That definitely answers my question. My a further question that comes up is why would you want to do all eight now instead of one by one?

SPEAKER_00 43:47

It's gonna be one by one.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

Okay, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 43:50

So what you have to understand in in in in investments is that if you ask, for example, for 255 million for one resort, they're not gonna give you three two hundred and fifty five. If it is in the contract, but they pay you in certain amounts in tranches, right? That's a normal way of doing it. Okay, a tranche of this, then another tranche, and another tranche. And the more you you uh you develop the resort, and the closer you come to the grand opening, the closer you come to the final $255 million. Once we add a stage of 70% with one resort, we're gonna start building the second one. And once we have the grand opening from the first one, the second one will be at 70%. We're gonna start the third one. How you build it bit by bit, bit by bit.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

Okay, okay. Um, it first of all, it shows that you have a lot of knowledge when it comes to investment and when it comes to planning, because you know, I've lived in Bali for over a year, and I've met developers who quite frankly don't know how to plan um and don't know how to um estimate how much budget. So they'll start a project and they won't be able to finish it. I've experienced that a lot. So it shows that you know what you're talking about, in my opinion. Like, you know, two billion sounds wild, but when you explain it this way, it makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_00 45:14

Yeah, you know, 30 years ago when I started my business for the very first time, $10,000 was a lot of money for me. An awful lot of money. And when people were talking about millions of dollars, they were like, Wait a minute. But once you grow in this business and and you meet people from different levels and you start speaking the same language, right? Well, well, it's not about the money, it's about you you build your dreams. The money is super important, don't get me wrong, the money is super important, but you build your dreams, and if your dream costs $255 million, you start thinking in these norms and these figures and these numbers, right? And then automatically you're gonna surround yourself with people who speak the same language, and there's an awful lot of them out there, believe it or not. But as long as you stay in your in your being as you are, with all due more respect for who you are, where you are in life, but as long as you stay there, you there's a saying that says, keep doing what you're doing, and you and you expect different results, right? This is that there's the height of insanity, right? Yeah, you expect different results, but you're gonna keep doing what you're doing. That doesn't work, yeah. So sometimes you have to make that. Do you have to do that? No, if you're happy where you are, please stay where you are. Yeah, I mean, I've I've got people who work in an office as uh let's say an engineer or an architect, and then they work for a company and they're happy. And when they listen to me, they're like, Oh, I shouldn't, I couldn't do that. You don't have to. If you're happy where you are, please keep doing it, you know. It has to make you happy. Absolutely, yeah, 100%. Yeah, but that's what it does to me. I mean, I've been working on this now for 10 years. So, Renee, are you still doing this resort? I said, Yep, absolutely. What I've been talking about for so long, you still believe in it? I said, Absolutely, amazing, amazing bit by bit, you know.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

Um, one thing for sure, I love hanging out with people um like you, you know, there's a lot of people that come with such negativity when you speak out loud your dreams and your vision, and it doesn't matter, you know what becomes, don't kill anybody's dreams, right? And and then it's also about you know discipline and what we talked about about you know also putting in the action, of course. You know, I've I've heard a lot of people, especially live in the valley, who have certain dreams but are not willing to do what it takes. That's a different case. But if someone tells you they're doing something, I want to hang around people who are going somewhere in life, right? And so when I hear that, I'm just as excited um as you are on uh on that vision. And I also want to ask the question so if the investment is two billion, right? Um what is the estimated revenue on this project?

SPEAKER_00 48:26

Oh lala. Just to get more thing numbers, uh, truly big numbers.

SPEAKER_02 48:39

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:40

Um the net present value of one resort is about 130 million. Okay, and the internal rate of return is about 16 percent. Wow, um, yeah, and uh there is uh revenues and there is profit, and a part of the profit we're talking about serious amount of money, uh, but a part of the profits is going to a foundation where we support uh people who need uh schools, who need education, who need because those people are the future, and um that is part of uh what's going from the profits going through. So 10, 50, 20, there's a percentage that will go through uh towards a foundation, and that's to help people, yeah. But there is high, yeah, there's high revenues, and and and but I I if people want to know more, please share my email.

SPEAKER_01 49:34

Of course, your email, all your contact details will be shared because I'm sure people are inspired by this and people want to support this mission, so um for sure.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

Um there's let's let's put it like this if an investor says yes, there's a high return on investment. Okay, that's what I want to make sure and clear. Uh in Belgium, we we have a saying uh I'm originally from Belgium, uh living in London and now moving to the UAE. Um but in Belgium there's a saying that's if you feed people peanuts, you create monkeys. Oh and what I mean by that is it make sure your investor uh becomes rich. Make sure they become rich. Right, you're gonna become rich anyway, so don't worry about that. Because you have a resort, you dreamt about it, you're building it. That for me, that's rich in richness on its own already for me. But I will make sure that my investors have uh high returns on investment for sure.

SPEAKER_01 50:31

Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Um, thank you so much for for this, you know, because um I I really see even even without talking about investments and talking about you know what will become this is inspiring. Um, and um not a lot of people get to hear about inspiring stories, also from where you started. You know, it's very important to share these stories because there's people who are just starting out and they're going through exactly that, and they're they're they're about to give up.

SPEAKER_02 51:11

One and then one go ahead, sorry, and then they hear you, right?

SPEAKER_01 51:16

That's that's the point I'm trying to make. It's inspiring on its own to have you here today.

SPEAKER_00 51:21

Maybe uh to finalize a short story. Yes, I was bullied in school like crazy. Wow, I went crying home, didn't want to go to school in the morning. It was very bad, and then I went to high school, same stuff. I don't know where why I attracted these people, but they were always bullying me. And in one school, I was sent home and not to come back to that school. It was really yeah, yeah, I was rebellious, rebellious against those people who are bullying me. Yeah, anyway, and I turned 17 and I said, you know what? I have enough of this. I'm gonna prove myself to the world that I am a good for something. And I joined the Navy, and I said, Well, you're not gonna make it, you're too dumb, you don't have a diploma, blah blah blah blah blah. I said, Yeah, yeah, watch me and I'll show you. That's why I use that title in that book, uh, Unstoppable Courage. And I got in and they said, Wow, you're so lucky. I said, Well, yeah, whatever. And I saw people with stars and stripes, and I said, if they can, I can, and I applied. And people say, You know, because I'm an extrovert, I have to share that with everybody, right? That call with my friends and stuff. I said, But Renee, come on, man, be serious. You have to study for that, you're not gonna make it, man. You're too dumb for that. I said, you know what? Watch me and I'll show you. And I got in.

SPEAKER_01 52:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 52:42

And then I saw people jumping out of airplanes, and I was like, hmm. And my surround and my surroundings, Renee, don't do that. They're gonna drop you in war zone, you're gonna get killed, blah blah la. I said, watch me, I'll show you. And then one day I was sitting on my hiny in a big, huge aircraft, a logistic aircraft called C-130, these old aircraft where the back opens up, you run and you jump. And I was watching the pilot because there's no doors in there. I said, If you I can. And I went home. I told everybody. I said, Renee, you're crazy. You're not gonna make it. Do you know what you do? You really know, do you know what you're talking about? I said, Absolutely. Watch me and I'll show you. And guess what? It happened too. And the thing is not about me, it's not about for the people watching this, it's not about me, and it's not what I did or what I achieved. It's about if you have a dream, make sure. And I posted something a couple of days ago. Elon Musk has a hundred percent signal, zero percent noise. The reason for his success. And I apply that myself as well, as much as I can. It's not easy. I'm gonna admit that. If you are focused, you create a good plan, and then you take action. Wow, and you be disciplined and persistent. And when you do that and you don't listen to the noise, because you're gonna have a lot of noise. If you have big dreams, you have big noise, but don't listen to the noise, just keep going. And you know, it's only the crazy people who change the world, you know. No, don't do nothing.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

Absolutely, absolutely, 100%. Um there are people that are gonna reach out to me because they want your mentorship and they want your coaching, and I'll be like, Yes, so I'll direct them to to you as well, um, because this is very motivational, as I've already said before, right? And for me personally, I like hanging out with people that are crazy, right? I I like I like hanging out with people that that are going somewhere that have these big dreams, because even if we can achieve like one percent of those dreams, it's already something to me, you know, and so that's how you change the world incrementally. But um, it's it's been honestly um wonderful to have you here today. So thank you so much for that.

SPEAKER_02 55:08

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 55:08

Um and um, yeah, you know, I'll I'll put your your details on there. I'm sure you're also on LinkedIn. If people want to reach out, um, I'll definitely send them your way. And um I'll also do my best to play my part because you know this is very important for me, also in the wellness industry. So um I I want to see people like us, I'll say us because I really believe in that. And um I want to see us win. So yeah, um, let's keep in touch and uh thank you so much for today.

SPEAKER_00 55:44

I would say thank you so much for having me, uh Irene. And if there's anything I can do for you, you know where to find me, right? So don't hesitate one second.

SPEAKER_02 55:53

Okay, absolutely.