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“Are you tired? Worn out? Burned out on religion? Come to me. Get away with me and you’ll recover your life. I’ll show you how to take a real rest. Walk with me and work with me—watch how I do it. Learn the unforced rhythms of grace. I won’t lay anything heavy or ill-fitting on you. Keep company with me and you’ll learn to live freely and lightly.” - Jesus (Matthew 11:28-30 Message paraphrase)
Join Dr. Jamie Moore and Paul Rasmussen as they discuss this promise with guests from all walks of life in an effort to learn how to live freely and lightly.
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S3E06 The Sherpa and the Way of Surrender (Vic Clesceri) with Jesus!
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In this episode, we sit down with Vic Clesceri—practitioner, scholar, and evangelist—to explore the way of surrender as the foundation of discipleship.
Who is Vic?
- Founder of The Management Sherpa
https://www.themanagementsherpa.com - Professor of Marketing at Miami University Farmer School of Business
- Founder of The Surrender Project
https://www.surrenderproject.com - Author of The Way of Surrender
https://www.surrenderproject.com/TWOS-604-MM-ENG.html
Vic Clesceri is a rare blend of practitioner, scholar, and evangelist. In this conversation, we explore how surrender, not striving, is the pathway to freedom, unity, and faithful leadership in every area of life.
Vic shares how growing up Catholic while attending a Protestant church shaped his conviction that the Body of Christ is deeply divided—and how Jesus’ prayer for unity in John 17 calls us to something better.
He recounts a powerful 3:00am encounter with Jesus that led him to journal his journey of surrender, eventually forming the 50 maxims behind the Surrender Assessment and his book, The Way of Surrender.
Together, they discuss why fear is the primary barrier to surrendering fully to Jesus—in business, money, family, and everyday life—and how true freedom lives on the other side of trust.
The conversation also touches on Vic’s work through The Management Sherpa and his ministry among students as a professor, helping shape young leaders to walk with Jesus in every area of life.
This episode is an invitation to lay down control, confront fear, and follow Jesus with open hands.
Connect with Vic
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vclesceri
- Business: https://www.themanagementsherpa.com
- Ministry & Book: https://www.surrenderproject.com
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