Embracing Unique Bodies and Challenging Norms

What happens when the law, empathy, and societal norms collide?" This episode takes you on a journey through personal stories and legal insights, where we break down how societal expectations shape our understanding of conflict resolution. With a background in criminal law, we discuss the tension between empathy and frustration in dealing with crime, particularly in cases involving mental health and family responsibilities. Discover the shifting perceptions of violence in our interconnected world and the vital role technology plays in shaping these changes.

Ever wondered how body positivity movements like Lizzo's affect our personal health journeys? We share candid discussions on balancing trust in health experts with personal responsibility, comparing the journey to taking control of one's health with a mechanic fixing a car. Explore the reasons behind Lizzo's weight loss journey and the broader conversations it has sparked about self-esteem and public scrutiny. Hear our personal experiences with weight loss medications and how they tie into pursuing your best self, all while recognizing that health and self-image are as personal as they are public.

Join us in a reflection on beauty and well-being as we challenge societal standards and celebrate diverse body types. Through personal stories of friends and family who defy norms, we emphasize the importance of self-acceptance over appearance. Dive into the nuanced conversation about gender expectations, body image, and self-love, as we compare pressures faced by men and women. This episode is a celebration of those who embrace their unique bodies, advocating for balance, understanding, and prioritizing health over societal judgments. Join us as we share our insights and look forward to continuing these enlightening conversations in future episodes.

Chapters

• 0:24 Navigating Modern Conceptions of Law
• 12:34 Body Positivity and Weight Loss Journey
• 24:54 Navigating Health and Body Image
• 30:12 Body Positivity and Preferences in Weight
• 42:16 Discussing Health and Body Image

Transcript

Trixy: 0:24

Hi, I'm Trixie Mitchell and this is. Slizzwhack, and we are basically going to start off by just talking about ourselves. You know, it's everybody's favorite topic, right?

Slizwaq: 0:40

Me not so much because you know I'm a freaking. I'm a retired disabled vet. That freaking grew up in a freaking different time. But I'm growing, I'm learning. I'm learning what is the appropriate thing.

Trixy: 0:57

Sure Like how to act normal or at least fit in with society and its norms.

Slizwaq: 1:04

Well, that's the thing there's a new norm, and that's not necessarily bad.

Trixy: 1:10

It's not necessarily good either.

Slizwaq: 1:14

Well, it's okay that a lot of the things that we learned when we were kids, we learned the wrong way to do things. Sure, sure, you know, as a tiny kid myself freaking my dad always told me he was never like, okay, you know, turn to other chicks. He told me he's like hey, you're a little guy, If someone freaking looks like they want to fight you, you jump on them because they can hit you one time. And that's it, You're tiny. He said get him, Get in there. That's not the right thing, Sure.

Trixy: 1:47

Whereas me and normal people land and you know I'm not saying this is good or bad, but this is how I raised my children. Don't throw the first punch, but throw the last one and just because they don't land that first punch doesn't mean, they didn't throw it exactly you may get suspended from school. I'll take you out and buy you ice cream. Yeah, we'll have a movie day at home and it's Use the popcorn, call it good.

Slizwaq: 2:14

Yeah, now, not so much. Right In today's day and age, that kid's parents is going to try to sue you. It's super, super true.

Trixy: 2:29

Well, your kid was really groggy. Yeah, and it's. I mean, yeah, I know Everybody's so sue-happy anymore. It's disgusting, makes it really hard to just like be normal.

Slizwaq: 2:44

Well, I hate to say it, you don't want to beat up somebody and have them come back and try to shoot up the school or something no shit or the house, because that's a real thing now.

Trixy: 2:51

It is a real thing, yeah it's just really strange how people are anymore. The violence is pretty out of control, just more connected to it because of social media and internet and having access to all of this information and having it shoved down your throat.

Slizwaq: 3:16

I definitely think that the world has become smaller in the fact that you know a lot of stuff, a lot of news that's happening. You can see it live. You know what I'm saying, right? You know, especially with what they got going on worldwide, they have the ability to be like hey, I got my man live on the scene right now. Right, that technology is only like 15, 20 years old.

Trixy: 3:41

I know, but it's really getting, it's hyped up.

Slizwaq: 3:45

It is, but this is one of those things where I have to realize that the world is changing. Unfortunately, or fortunately, the world is not as violent as it once was. Is that an improvement? Absolutely. People should be better to each other, but I have to get out of that mindset that violence is the answer, and I'm not some crazy guy that's going around punching people in the face or something like that.

Trixy: 4:13

It doesn't mean you don't want to, every second of every day.

Slizwaq: 4:15

Exactly, exactly. It's an internal thing, and what I mean is they're not wrong. I have to adjust my thinking to a different standard. Right, because that was accepted. Now, we know, as we evolve and get better and be better people to each other, we know that, no, that's not the thing you need to do, right? Well, a lot of people need a punch in the face. Yes, the thing that's more productive is to talk to them and be like okay, this is what we got going on. Why are you doing this? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Slizwaq: 4:54

They might have some issues that they got going on, that they need some help with Right. Well, you want to give them a punch in the face. A punch in the face may not be what they need.

Trixy: 5:03

Okay, so I work in criminal law. So I work in criminal law, so I teeter between wanting to punch people in the face and wanting to help them. Now, it is my job to help them, and I do, and I help a lot of people.

Slizwaq: 5:14

Okay.

Trixy: 5:16

And a lot of what I do is get people into mental health help, because a lot of crime is based off of an underlying issue.

Trixy: 5:27

Absolutely Is based off of an underlying issue, Absolutely so. You know there's a lot of programs in this county to like specialty courts and stuff, but I digress. I said all that to just say that like I really want to punch these people in the face sometimes I really dislike it when people are crying about their kids. When they're locked up it's like, oh, was you thinking about them kids when you were transporting 40 pounds of fentanyl across state?

Slizwaq: 5:56

lines trying to get that money you know like and that's another thing. I come from a background where drugs are not necessarily bad per se, and what I mean is I am not of the mindset that all drugs are bad okay.

Trixy: 6:17

Like everything in, you know, like everything in In moderation In moderation, that's the word I'm looking for. Everything in moderation is important, you know. However, you do know the consequences to these sorts of things. And if you have children and you're transporting 40 pounds of fentanyl? 100 you're not thinking about them, kids well, that's the thing, it's, it's.

Slizwaq: 6:42

There's one thing I like to. I like to yell into the tv when I see some shit on the news they talk about oh this guy went to jail or that guy went to jail.

Slizwaq: 6:49

This is what I say Gangsta shit, and what I mean is that's part of it. You can freaking go out there and do illegal shit and get paid absolutely well, but you got to realize that taking the ride, getting the bracelets, is part of it. Right? Don't come over here complaining to me because you're sitting in the lockup. How much money did you put away for lawyer and attorney fees? None, well, you're not a real gangster, you're just a person out there doing illegal shit, going to jail, right? You're a dumbass. Yeah, you're going to take some jailhouse lawyer's advice and you're going to be fucked up for the rest of your life.

Trixy: 7:37

Well, lawyer's advice and you're gonna fuck, you're gonna be fucked up for the rest of your life. Well, you know, and like, yeah, you know, sorry, I decided my brain just had a fart, um doing a little shit. Oh, I'll get back to it anyway. Um, oh, I was gonna say we all do illegal shit. You know, like everybody is a criminal on some facet.

Slizwaq: 7:49

That is correct.

Trixy: 7:51

Nobody is 100% legal.

Slizwaq: 7:53

Talking to you, all those people doing 56 miles an hour. I don't want to hear you in the fucking comments either.

Trixy: 7:59

I don't wear my seatbelt, you know.

Slizwaq: 8:02

I hear that.

Trixy: 8:03

I have sold copious amounts of marijuana before it was legal. You know I did that, so you know. So we said we were going to talk about ourselves. One thing about me is I share too much information.

Slizwaq: 8:23

Well for me. I don't share enough information. People are always like what the fuck is wrong with them.

Trixy: 8:29

It's going to shock you, but I'm a lot more private than I was a few years ago.

Slizwaq: 8:36

Well and that's another thing I overshare on some stuff and then undershare on other stuff, like being in the military, Everybody knows how much money you make. That's because everybody's freaking in the same program Right now. If you know what rank a person is and how many years they've been in service, you can look their shit up right now on the federal website.

Trixy: 8:54

Sure yeah.

Slizwaq: 8:58

Imagine that's probably public knowledge if you want it to be. Yeah, in the military. I know how many kids. You may not know me, but Because we have mandatory fun and we have these little picnics, so I know what their names are. I'm not creeping on you, it's just like we hang out together.

Slizwaq: 9:12

I know shit, yeah, yeah and it's weird for me that people that work together they don't know stuff like that about their coworkers. Don't get me wrong, I always did. We're getting away from that simply because working somewhere for 20 and 30 years, that's not a real thing anymore, right.

Trixy: 9:32

Yeah, so yeah, I mean like everybody breaks the law, right.

Slizwaq: 9:36

I can agree with that.

Trixy: 9:37

Criminals are the only ones that get caught.

Slizwaq: 9:41

Yes, and here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Trixy: 9:44

And the ones that get caught are generally not that smart here's a pro.

Slizwaq: 9:48

And the ones that get caught are generally not that smart. Here's a pro tip. All you future criminals out here. I'm talking to you, okay, if you're sitting in jail and there's a dude sitting in jail next to you, don't take his fucking advice. He may have advice on some good stuff, like what time is chow and where to work out and who's going to shank you, but don't let him tell you how to do no criminal shit, because he's sitting there in fucking jail with you right now. Both of you Fucking dumbasses.

Trixy: 10:20

Right, and he's also not an attorney. He's not going to give you good legal advice. So don't listen to those jailhouse attorneys, because they are.

Slizwaq: 10:29

They're all evil, it is it's kind of like okay, it's kind of like if I went to the doctor and the doctor says hey, what do you think we should do? Motherfucker, I'm not here, for if I, if I going to make a decision, I would have made it home and done the fucking surgery.

Trixy: 10:50

And that sounded like therapy.

Slizwaq: 10:51

I'm here for the fucking. I'm here for the fucking expert opinion, right? And that's also something I'm freaking having an issue with. Like I went to the doctor today. I've been having some issues with my gallbladder. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's some black sludge in there. They're going to remove it. So they gave me an ultrasound. They gave me a freaking. What's the thing in your butt?

Trixy: 11:16

Oh yeah, you had a colonoscopy A colonoscopy.

Slizwaq: 11:21

They gave me the freaking one from the top through my throat because I'm 50. Okay, so they just okay, did all that stuff, did the ultrasound. They said you got some black sludge in your lungs, in your freaking gallbladder. I'm like, okay cool, okay cool. What are we going to do about it?

Trixy: 11:35

Yeah, yeah.

Slizwaq: 11:36

But they're like well, we need to have you come go to talk to him. He's like so I just want to freaking walk you through, you know, tell you some of the pros and cons. I was like I don't need to hear pros and cons. I got black sludge in my gallbladder, just take it out. You just told me it's an in and out surgery. It's super. He's like oh well, some people are scared. I'm like, dude, I'm not here to tell you how to do your job right. But then he explained to me the one thing that I'm not used to is that, hey, we're going towards. You know, we want to have people more involved in their surgeries, in their health care, and I'm all for that. But that's not what I'm used to.

Slizwaq: 12:19

You show up at the hospital. They tell you what's up. They tell you what's wrong, okay. Then they tell you what they're gonna do. Then they don't make an appointment. They'll send that appointment to you in the mail. You can just roll out. There's no like stop and see the lady. I think we're going to make your appointment. They're always going to make your appointment. They'll send you a little card in the mail. Tell you when your appointment is. This dude was in here asking me all kinds of questions, like so you don't need to be scared. I'm like sick, I need yeah, and it's not killing me. But like, come on, man, that's like when you take your car to the mechanic and he says, hey, I looked at it. What do you think we should do?

Slizwaq: 12:55

that's not what I'm, I'm not the pro here yeah, yeah, do your job right, but like I said, I'm adapting to different shit and it's it's a lot of stuff is crazy to me yeah, I know it's we hang out a little bit it's speaking of, which. Let's talk about it. You ready? What are we talking about? I have a. I have, I'm learning, I'm learning, I'm getting better, I'm freaking, learning, freaking new ways of doing things let's talk about.

Trixy: 13:43

Lizzo Okay.

Slizwaq: 13:48

I'm all for body positivity, absolutely. I'm all for freaking everybody. Everybody can be healthy. Okay, I'm not saying everybody should be the same size, but everybody can be healthy. Sure, and you know, unless you're a triathlon runner, there's something that everybody can do to improve their overall general health. Absolutely I'm not beef with lizzo lizzo, I, I like lizzo, yeah, okay, a trend-breaking, freaking artist that plays an instrument that most people don't play, especially not in mainstream music the flute.

Trixy: 14:33

Right, her music is catchy yeah.

Slizwaq: 14:38

Andre 3000 jumped in there with their fucking. They're probably like two flute players on the fucking top 100, you know what I'm saying? Right, okay, two flute players on the fucking top 100. You know I'm saying right, okay, very into the body positivity, showing people that bigger doesn't mean, doesn't necessarily mean worse. Right, bigger people can be active. I'm all about it. A lot of people don't even have any control over their weight, no matter how active they can, and and that's why it's it's important to not gauge your health by your weight.

Trixy: 15:11

Definitely.

Slizwaq: 15:12

It's not, it's not and I'm not. I'm not trying to fat shame, I'm not trying to skinny shame. She was one of the body acceptance freaking informal spokesperson, informal representative showing people hey, we got this, no problem.

Trixy: 15:33

How do you get a bikini body? Put a bikini on the body.

Slizwaq: 15:36

There you go. That's Lizzo. Now she's going headlong into the weight. The quote unquote weight loss journey.

Trixy: 15:49

Okay, I'm currently on one of those, so I can.

Slizwaq: 15:52

And everybody has one.

Trixy: 15:53

I can relate.

Slizwaq: 15:55

What is the difference now and then? Because before it was like, hey, you've got to accept me like this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It was like, hey, you've got to accept me like this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now it's like I'm dieting and exercising, I'm getting healthy because I don't need to be that big. Should I be mad? A because all the people out there that she told us okay, it's cool to be that big, you can do it, and they're like you know, really, the only person that can answer this is her because everybody's journey is different you know, everybody has their own individual journey.

Trixy: 16:31

I can agree with that she might have come into some health issues that we know nothing about. You know there's been some scandal of her allegedly being inappropriate with some of her with the glizzies.

Slizwaq: 16:46

I don't know being inappropriate with some of her With the glizzies.

Trixy: 16:49

You know, and I don't know I'm not, I have not, like, looked into it, I don't know a lot about it. I just know that there's been some scandal surrounding her and I would imagine being in the spotlight and seeing yourself on stage, no matter what message you're trying to portray, when you see yourself in a certain light or spotlight in her case, she might, you know, feel really insecure about it.

Slizwaq: 17:16

People on social media fans might have said something to her like we're worried about your health, but that was part of her whole thing. Her music while catchy and freaking, catchy and freaking, upbeat and all that stuff. Girl power, rub your golden vaginas together.

Trixy: 17:34

All that shit Right right.

Slizwaq: 17:37

Now the message is hey, you need to lose weight. Not only that, some people are accusing her of using Ozempic and other weight loss drugs, which I don't, so what?

Trixy: 17:55

And that's like saying yeah, who gives a shit how she's doing it?

Slizwaq: 18:00

Well.

Trixy: 18:01

If she's actually exercising and eating right, which you need to do on those drugs. Those are not just a magic drug.

Slizwaq: 18:08

Yeah, you still got what is happening here. Okay, I don't know.

Trixy: 18:11

But I mean, they're not magic. I have been using semaglutide and I have lost almost 50 pounds in almost seven months and it's been. It's felt slow, although that is a significant amount of weight. I did the math the other day and y'all can do your own math to figure out how much I did weigh, but I was at 18.75 percent less body mass than I was, okay, seven months ago, okay, and so that that's pretty great.

Slizwaq: 18:42

And here's the thing I could give two fucks what Lizzo does, and what I mean is I want her to be her best self, whatever she envisions that as being. Be that Right.

Trixy: 18:59

Well, I'm just saying that there's a like there could be a slew of factors Health issues, her own self-esteem, seeing herself on stage bouncing around up there. That is not. I know that I do not like pictures of myself when I feel heavy. Not from the neck down, I do. I mean like I take pictures of myself a lot. Hey, you got some sexy-ass pictures. I do, but I take them myself. Somebody else takes a picture of me and I look like a freaking heifer and it just makes me not comfortable, you know.

Slizwaq: 19:31

I got like triple chins and I'm like cross-eyed and I do have weird eyes. My main thing is I, you can't be both. You can't come out and tell people it's okay to freaking be your size.

Trixy: 19:50

I don't think she's telling people it's not okay to be your size. I think she's just making healthier choices and she's also in the last few years, gotten super influential amongst women, right?

Slizwaq: 20:06

That's what makes it the most dangerous. And what I mean is I've been tracking this on the down low. I'm not a freaking super Lizzo fanatic. I don't know what she calls her followers, but I'm not like a Lizzo fanatic or anything like this. Lizzos, they probably don't call them that.

Trixy: 20:24

They would be mad, probably would.

Slizwaq: 20:26

But the thing is my apologies. There it started out as a full supporter of all kinds of music. I listen to a lot of different kinds of music.

Trixy: 20:36

Me too.

Slizwaq: 20:37

Lizzo has some good music Okay.

Trixy: 20:40

I enjoy it. You know what I'm saying it makes me want to dance, it makes me feel good, it does something to my psyche.

Slizwaq: 20:45

There you go.

Trixy: 20:46

I love it.

Slizwaq: 20:48

But her message has been, especially in the beginning hey, big girls, let's get it done. You're worth as much as smaller girls. Boo bah bah bah. Catchy tune in between, sure. But now the message is the opposite.

Trixy: 21:06

I don't think so. I disagree that. It's the opposite message. I think it's just her just taking, you know, control of her own health. Like I said, there could be a slew of reasons as to why she's wanting to get healthier.

Slizwaq: 21:21

I agree with that. I agree with that.

Trixy: 21:23

So it's really hard to say without talking to her directly, and maybe she would like to give us a call and have a chat.

Slizwaq: 21:28

Shout out to you, Lizzo, so hit us up wrwmedia at gmailcom. We'll be waiting you know, I don't know.

Trixy: 21:37

I don't think that she's changing the message. I think she's just trying to be healthier and maybe be a better example for the people that she influences. But you know, like as a woman and I'm a fairly confident woman even heavy I still have like I'm still pretty confident. I'm not beating myself up all the time. And even as a confident woman when I see pictures of myself or videos of myself. I'm like, oh my God, I just want to crawl in a hole For reference.

Slizwaq: 22:09

Ladies and gentlemen, she's pretty sexy, just a little crazy in the head, but go ahead.

Trixy: 22:13

Just a little crazy in the head, but yeah, no, I just. And me wanting to lose weight wasn't about what other people felt about me. It was more about what I was feeling about myself.

Slizwaq: 22:30

I can and I can. I get that because, as a dude, I'm in the process of losing weight.

Trixy: 22:36

And if I can influence people along the way, great.

Slizwaq: 22:39

But you can't in the beginning. Okay, maybe it's not, maybe it's not. Lizzo, I have a problem with the majority of the body acceptance in general, and what I mean is I want everybody out there not to look the same, but I want them to be as healthy as their body will allow. Sure, to be as healthy as their body will allow.

Trixy: 23:05

Sure.

Slizwaq: 23:06

I'm not freaking. If you eat cheeseburgers. If you eat 20 cheeseburgers a day, you're going to be a fat piece of shit. I fucking love cheeseburgers. I fucking love them. I've got a burger joint down the street. That's just like we got two of them, Two down the street.

Trixy: 23:24

I ate one of them today, mainly because I was starving and somebody else was buying, but that's okay. Yeah, no, burgers are probably like my favorite food. I just don't hardly eat them ever.

Slizwaq: 23:38

But that's the thing In moderation.

Trixy: 23:41

Yeah, yeah, I definitely don't eat a lot of that sort of thing.

Slizwaq: 23:46

I hardly eat it ever so today was quite a treat. I called it a cheap burger one of the reasons why it's so crazy to me is that before it was okay, you're a fat piece of shit it's okay to be fat. It's okay to be fat.

Trixy: 24:07

Yeah.

Slizwaq: 24:10

But for long-term general health, you want to try to do at least something to make your not to make yourself healthy to a certain standard, because it doesn't matter what other people think of you. To extend your life to frequency, you can maximize your time with your kids, your time with your significant others, stuff like that, yeah. And it doesn't make sense to me because at one point we were telling people in the body acceptance movement that, hey, it's okay that you're big, it's okay that. Well, not necessarily that it's okay that you're big, it's okay that you're unhealthy.

Trixy: 24:46

Yeah, we don't want to promote that, that's for sure. Exactly, but there are healthy people in all different sizes. I have a good friend, you know her. She is just predisposed to be larger. She is incredibly active. She hikes all the time. Um, she played sports in school. She, um, she continues to be really active into adulthood. Um, I think she was on a softball team for a while, you know, just doing all of these active things, um, and I didn't even have the energy for half of the stuff that she was doing, and I'm significantly lighter than she is and she, um, she's even had weight loss surgery and, um, she's just predispositioned to be larger and she's absolutely beautiful and she's absolutely beautiful.

Slizwaq: 25:45

And she's absolutely healthy, and that's the thing. It's not about how you look, that's not. We've gotten hung up to hey, everybody has to look a certain way. That is the most ridiculous shit that I have ever. Have you ever had to eat a bologna sandwich 20 times in a row?

Trixy: 26:04

No, my grandma used to make fried bologna sandwiches and I loved them yeah.

Slizwaq: 26:12

But, like you don't want it to be the same all the time. Variety is the spice of life, absolutely. And here's the thing, and it's one thing that I'm dealing with I am probably the fattest that I have ever been. This is the biggest that I have ever been. It's crazy to me simply because most of my life I've been probably at, you know, between, you know between and in accordance with Army standards, between 15 and 18, excuse me, 15 and 21 percent body fat. Right, you know, normally I run about freaking. While I was in there, I normally run about 16 to 18 percent body fat. Now I weighed probably 20 pounds less than I do right now. Mm-hmm.

Slizwaq: 27:03

And it's not the thing that I'm looking at, and the basis of it is not that everybody should be a certain size. No, it's that everybody should be healthy. Right, because, just like you said, I, you know, going through this gallbladder thing, I thought I might have a thyroid problem. Right, if you've got a thyroid problem, no matter how healthy you eat, your body is going to be on the larger side simply because of its limitations, right? But on the flip side of that, there's people that are on the flip side of that. There's an I know of people that are skinny as shit, but it's because of for lack of a better term mental health issues and it's and it's it's my daughter is really.

Trixy: 27:56

She's really thin. Um, naturally she is built like her grandmother on her dad's side. She's built like her dad and, um, that's what I ordered when I was pregnant. Okay, I want you to know. I was just like, if she could, because my former mother-in-law, I mean, she's like 75. And she has a rocking hot body.

Slizwaq: 28:17

Okay.

Trixy: 28:18

And she's healthy, she's a hiker. She lives off grid, so she's chopping wood.

Slizwaq: 28:22

Oh, she's getting the exercise in.

Trixy: 28:23

She's getting just life exercise. Okay, just trying to survive life.

Slizwaq: 28:27

Fair enough you know.

Trixy: 28:28

So that's like her jam, but she is just built so perfect Like anybody would want to have that body, especially at that age, but like I would be happy with that body at 40.

Slizwaq: 28:40

People don't understand that. There's people out there on both ends of the spectrum. There's people here that may be a little bit bigger than necessary. There's people that may be a little bit smaller than necessary, but a lot of the root cause of that is the same, right it's?

Trixy: 29:07

just more acceptable to be skinny than it is to be bigger. Societal standards have put a standard on us that nobody can really live up to, unless you just happen to be built like my formal mother-in-law, but PS, she's got like stage 4 lung cancer, so she's not okay but she's got a rockin' hot body, but she's got a nice ass and that's what I mean.

Slizwaq: 29:26

But she's got a rocking hot body, but she's got a nice ass, and that's what I'm getting at. She would gladly trade that rocking hot body to freaking not have cancer, right? She'd be like in a hot second, right? I think is is, is not is being comfortable with your body as far as you can't let anybody tell you what makes you happy, right? Okay, if you're, if you're as healthy as you can be, it doesn't matter what people say about you. They may not like the way you look, but fuck them. You could chase them down because they can't run a half mile, you know I mean for me.

Trixy: 30:12

Um, so I saw an old video, and by old I mean it was like seven years ago, okay of me, when I was much lighter and, um, you know, life happened and I put on a lot of weight and everything and I wasn't liking what I was seeing in the mirror. But beyond just my superficial wanting to be pretty and good stuff, um, my, my left hip in particular, was in really, really bad shape okay I mean it hurt to walk, it hurt to lay down, it hurt to sit.

Trixy: 30:48

Um, you know, if I got up from a sitting position, my hip just really wasn't there to support me, like it, and it was really excruciating and um. So that was a driving factor. Is I really just wanted to feel better, mentally and physically better, and and I do- and that that's.

Slizwaq: 31:09

That's the. The main key thing that I want to get at right here is nobody, nobody can tell you what to do with your body, okay, if you're satisfied with it. Nobody should be able to come in here and be like, oh, that's all fucked up, right, okay I mean, luckily, I think I've had, um, the benefit of being an attractive person.

Trixy: 31:36

So, no matter what weight I am, nobody really says anything to me about it. Fair enough, you know, I'm always. I always treat people really well and I give nobody a reason to be like you're a stupid fat bitch, because I'm a nice, beautiful fat bitch, get it right.

Slizwaq: 32:02

And that's the thing that's a lot of it, and that's the thing that's a lot of it. This is I don't know how to put this in a nice way, but sometimes, sometimes, when people are, people have things in their mind that they're thinking of that other people aren't necessarily thinking of.

Trixy: 32:26

Oh right, so like if I'm concerned about my stomach hanging over my jeans. It's not something you're looking at yeah. You're not going. Damn Trix. Your stomach's hanging over them, jeans. Maybe you should do something about that.

Slizwaq: 32:38

Well, first of all, it's none of my business to figure out Nobody's judging you harder than you're judging yourself.

Slizwaq: 32:44

Exactly, Exactly. And what I had to come to realize is most people like you're saying if you're nice to people and you're a good person, you breach the thing where it doesn't matter what you look like, you get to the normal, which is ridiculous you get to the normal, it doesn't matter what you look like, and that's really a lot of it is. There's so many people that are hung up and I'm not talking people that are crazy out of shape, I'm talking people that are in good health but they may be a little bit larger. They have some type of internal issue because somebody that they know may think that they're too large. If you're healthy, that's it.

Trixy: 33:29

That's you know I don't know how I grew up with like body positivity as well as I have had I have, because, um, I mean, of course, like I'm in my head, to a degree, yeah, about what I look like, and I'm vain in the sense that you'll very rarely see me out of the house with make, without makeup. You know, it's just my jam. I enjoy it.

Trixy: 33:54

Fair enough it makes me feel good, I like it and uh um, but where my brain keeps farting and I keep having points to make and then I forget what the hell I'm talking about it's the oh, body positivity. Growing up, my mother, my mother does not have body positivity. She is, she is so tiny. Yeah, she's in her 60s. She's, she's a redhead, she's, she's a beautiful I love redheads.

Slizwaq: 34:33

They're awesome you know she.

Trixy: 34:34

She really is a beautiful woman and she's. My grandmother was this way as well, um my grandmother was worse and my mom has improved upon that. Okay, I have improved upon it even more, like, but, um, my grandmother would like freak out over, like an ounce difference on the scale. She'd be like oh my god, just oh my god, trixie, I was 101 yesterday and today I'm 101.1.

Trixy: 35:06

And I was like did you have five peanut butter, m&ms, grandma, we'll see like I'm just like are you serious right now, because I can fluctuate 10 pounds in a day. Bro, like I don't want to hear, see when I was going up.

Slizwaq: 35:21

it was, it was, it was, it was. It was the male version of that, because we had stuff like when I was growing up we had the presidential physical fitness test, we had field day. They were only giving out trophies to winners back in the day.

Trixy: 35:36

Yeah, yeah, that's what I did when I was a kid too.

Slizwaq: 35:38

If you didn't win, you could get a bag of dicks over here.

Trixy: 35:42

The participation trophies started when I was well out of sports, in probably middle of high school.

Slizwaq: 35:47

Which is.

Trixy: 35:48

And I was like what is this?

Slizwaq: 35:49

That's a topic for another time. But, I got some points on that right there, but the thing was it was the male version of that. It's like, okay, you need to be able to do push-ups, you need to be physically fit, because dudes.

Trixy: 36:04

Because you need to be strong and masculine.

Slizwaq: 36:06

Yeah, where women need to be strong and masculine. Yeah, where women need to be petite and quiet. Speaking as a dude who has a higher pitch voice is pretty crazy and your wife is like 6 feet 7, so she's significantly taller than you are and I love that for you it's just one of those things.

Trixy: 36:26

It's just because you know you are and I love that for you. It's just one of those things, it's just yeah.

Slizwaq: 36:29

Because you know, as a person, I do like a bigger girl.

Trixy: 36:34

You know, and on behalf of all non-skinny women everywhere, we really appreciate the men that appreciate you.

Slizwaq: 36:42

Fat bottom girls make the world rockin', world go round. The first time I ever listened to those lyrics.

Trixy: 36:48

I heard Fat Bottom Girls. Make the Rockin' World Go Round. The first time I ever listened to those lyrics I'd heard that song a bunch right, but the first time I ever actually listened to the lyrics I was like Fuck, yeah, we do.

Slizwaq: 37:03

Fuck. Yeah, we do no hate on people who are a little smaller. It's just a personal preference.

Trixy: 37:11

It's just. Everything is catered to smaller women, and I mean society caters to smaller women, society says that they're more attractive, and blah, blah, blah, blah. I would say that this like men actually coming out of the closet and acknowledging that they like bigger women has only been in place maybe a decade, you know.

Slizwaq: 37:30

Oh, for white dudes maybe Okay.

Trixy: 37:36

I live in conservative white southern Oregon so I didn't have a lot of black people around Well now frickin', it's becoming more mainstream now.

Slizwaq: 37:48

So now black dudes are having a hard time because now everybody's trying to get freaking fat bottom girls.

Trixy: 37:53

Oh my gosh, I just loved it. I remember seeing a dove commercial um that had all different shapes and sizes and colors of women on it and they were all wearing like a white tank top and and undies or something and it was just like this panel of all different types of women and I thought, thank you, we'll see, and thank you for having normal people on this thing yes you know and I, and that I felt was like the start of um a more global awareness of it being okay to be different.

Slizwaq: 38:30

Well, and that's the thing, A lot of people don't realize that not everybody likes girls that are skinny, right? Okay, let's get some variety up in there.

Trixy: 38:42

Are we trying to keep this PG here? Because I got something to say on the subject. That's not necessarily.

Slizwaq: 38:49

We can cut it out later, okay.

Trixy: 38:51

What I'm going to say and I'll try to say this as PG as possible is smaller girls can't take bigger men.

Slizwaq: 39:03

They can In order for me to not get canceled. I'm gonna say whatever you say on that but comfortably.

Trixy: 39:11

It's better to have a little cushion back there in my experience it's not catch my drip well in my experience it's.

Slizwaq: 39:19

It's not. It's hard to have sex with somebody when it's not comfortable for them totally yeah it's it's.

Trixy: 39:30

It's not easy to have sex with somebody when you're uncomfortable, so we may have a freaking wrw after dark.

Slizwaq: 39:38

We'll go more into depth on these, but at this particular time we can stop that.

Trixy: 39:42

But I'm just saying like I can understand why men would like a little more cushion. Hey, you know, I'm just saying and um, put some meat on that bone. You know? Yeah, but I also understand, and I didn't really fully understand this until my daughter, who is naturally thin okay, lost weight okay, and she just wasn't.

Trixy: 40:08

She just wasn't healthy and she just wasn't taking care of herself and her mental health was struggling and she was down to like 104 pounds, okay, and she's like five nine, so that's really really thin and um, I'm saying it as a compliment because I wish I was like that.

Slizwaq: 40:29

Okay.

Trixy: 40:29

You know I'm like girl, you're so skinny. But she hears it like me saying, like somebody saying to me like that you need to lose some weight. You know she was like mom. It hurts when you tell me that I'm thin and I was like so skinny. Shaming is a thing. And that's so ridiculous it wasn't the first time I'd heard that, but it was the first time somebody I really cared about said it.

Slizwaq: 40:55

Well, I've heard it. You know what I?

Trixy: 40:56

mean, and I was like, huh, I didn't realize that you were experiencing, that you know. Now she's up to a healthy 120.

Slizwaq: 41:06

And that's what I mean by and she's really happy about it.

Trixy: 41:08

She looks amazing.

Slizwaq: 41:09

And that's what I mean by there's issues on both ends of the scale. Yeah, and that's why the core issue at the base of it should be being healthy, whether you're 95 pounds. There are people out there who are healthy at 95 pounds, sure Okay. But there are also people out there that are healthy at 300 pounds. You're saying, no, that's absolutely untrue. Prime example William the Refrigerator, perry, 360 pounds, big boy, professional athlete. Dang, big boy, professional athlete, mm-hmm. Okay, he could probably now that 360 pounds. He could probably do a 32 to 38 inch freaking vertical jump, wow.

Trixy: 41:58

So I got to say that's a lot of boy to jump.

Slizwaq: 42:02

Exactly Now. That being said, white boys can't jump Exactly Now. That being said that being said, he's probably at the time he was playing football. He's probably in better shape than probably 90 percent of the average people walking around. Are there people that are smaller? Yes, are they as healthy? Yeah, right, and we're not saying be 360 pounds healthy. Yeah, yes, just saying that it can happen. It can happen, it's not but there's exceptions to all the rules, and it's one thing that I'm working on is that also be dying at 360 exactly you could also be dying at 90 yes, and it's you know

Slizwaq: 42:42

balance, balance is key let's bring it to a close All right. It was nice talking with you. We had a great day. We talked about some awesome stuff. I hope everybody got some different viewpoints. We aren't the people that are the experts, but we are the people that have an opinion.

Trixy: 42:59

Yes, we are, and we go on tangents all the time hey my name is Liz Wack and this is Trixie. And we'll see you next time. Have a good night.