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Elections, Surgery, and Personal Resilience
Facing election day while recovering from gallbladder surgery offered a unique perspective on navigating personal resilience amidst political uncertainty. This episode invites you to explore how we can draw strength from our own circles of influence, paying special attention to the solidarity needed for marginalized communities facing systemic challenges. By sharing emotional and candid insights, we aim to emphasize the significance of unity and mutual support during tumultuous times.
We dive deep into the complex history of Christianity, challenging the tension between true beliefs and public image. Through honest discussions, we uncover the darker aspects of religious institutions and stress the importance of authenticity in personal beliefs, no matter the societal pressures. It's a journey of finding like-minded communities where you least expect them, providing comfort and strength in staying true to oneself.
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Okay. So how's it going? It's going great. I've had a freaking rough week. I got my gallbladder taken out, which, amazingly enough, it doesn't hurt Just my belly button where they stuck the camera in to look around while they took out, my belly button hurts Out of my gallbladder. So none of this stuff in here hurts Right, Just the hole where they're looking in.
Speaker 2:Right, well, they tore into your core muscles, so moving is hard. Yeah, yeah, and you had your surgery on election day.
Speaker 1:Yes, that way I want to ensure I was with all the medical supplies, should nonsense break out, because planning ahead is super important. I'm learning.
Speaker 2:You know I was kind of fearful for no matter what happened with the election Because, like, if Trump won, that's devastating for the left. Who knows how they'll behave? You know, chances are pretty good. We're just going to cry about it Because I know that I woke up at 3 am crying my eyes out and then if Trump lost, that would piss off MAGA, and MAGA are the gun-toting. You know rallyers and I was concerned about how they would respond to a loss. Regardless, half the country is fucking devastated.
Speaker 1:Well, I've got to tell you First off disclaimer didn't vote, but firstly, I would never, never, never, never in a million years. Let anybody get me so butthurt Ever.
Speaker 2:That's a pretty nice superpower to have.
Speaker 1:Well, no, what I mean is it's not that you're not butthurt, but I would never let them have the satisfaction of knowing I was that butthurt.
Speaker 2:Right, right, you know I totally appreciate that stance. I, like I said, I woke up at 3 o'clock in the morning and I've talked to like multiple people who are of like-minded set, as myself and almost everybody I've talked to woke up at three o'clock in the morning and most of them were also crying, and so I had this huge cry that morning. I went back to sleep, I got up, I had messaged my bosses. I'm, like you know, I'm just kind of a mess right now. Based on the results, I'm gonna be late. I showed up to work an hour late, no big deal. They were super fucking cool about it, um, and they're also not super happy about the results. So it's nice to work with like-minded humans as well, and something that made me feel a minute bit better was my boss. He didn't show up till like 11 30 boss stuff he didn't even.
Speaker 2:He wouldn't have even known I was late, but eve, she's like 10 minutes early at least, um. But he came around the corner. I was smoking a cigarette outside and uh, he, he comes around the corner and he does. The consolation prize is anything that fucking goes wrong. It's not our fucking fault, jess, it's not our fucking fault. And I just went, yeah, okay, I mean like that does make me feel a minute bit better, that I can just like be like neener, neener, I told you so, but it doesn't really help anything really. But I mean so I've decided, after after my, you know, roller coaster of a what was it?
Speaker 2:Wednesday was the day after, after my roller coaster of a wednesday, processing the reality of him being the person in charge for the next four years, I was just like, okay, I need to just really, um, I just really need to focus my energy on my direct circle of influence. You know, and my direct circle of influence is doing just fine. Everybody is healthy, everybody is doing well in their lives. You know, we have each other and I told my girlfriends Smells amazing. I told my girlfriends I said we just all need to, like, lean on each other and spend time together and try to ignore the outside world and just live our lives the best we can, regardless of what's going on with the country. And so we've agreed, and I mean, like that includes you too, man.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing. I want everybody out there, within the sound of my voice, to realize that if you have an issue, if you feel like you've been wronged, I'm on your side. I'm here to help you. First off, let me state a few things. I'm a non-voter. Okay, I don't really have a dog in this fight, and I do, but I don't. And what I mean is it would be absolutely freaking I don't even know what the term is of me absolutely idiotic of me to think, as a black person in America in the year 2024, that what I do is going to freaking, have any type of bearing on what America is going to do.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:It's just.
Speaker 2:That's been your reality forever.
Speaker 1:Well, I wish it was different. That's the reality of it, yeah, and as a person that lives in the real world, what I want to happen is I want for everybody to be okay, whether that means people need to get abortions, whether that means people need to get more health care, whatever that means that people need to do. Get more health care, whatever that means that people need to do, and I understand that. Unfortunately, let's face it, while America may be the best thing going, the governmental systems in place are not necessarily looking out for my best interest.
Speaker 2:No, or mine.
Speaker 1:Or your best interest or anybody's, because.
Speaker 2:Really honestly, a good chunk of the population's interest.
Speaker 1:And that's the thing.
Speaker 2:You know, it just seems like if you're not white, relatively well off I'm not going to say wealthy or rich, but like well off If you're not a well off white, straight cis male, why does it have to be straight? Why does it have to be? Because LGBTQ rights are being threatened as well, you know, like that is a demographic of people who also they don't give a fuck about.
Speaker 1:I have a question for all the LGBTQ people, and this is just a side note. Someone asked me and I didn't know the answer. If someone has an answer out there, please let me know. The freaking alphabet people their thing says bye, right in the thing. So how can there be more than two genders Moving right along?
Speaker 2:Because someone hit me up with that and I'm like ah, there's so many different letters for the different types of love and affiliation that people have.
Speaker 1:At what point did it become anybody's business who you're having sex with?
Speaker 2:and why. That's what I'd like to know. Why is it such a big deal to so?
Speaker 1:many people.
Speaker 2:It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1:I don't understand it. It's like if you want to have this, because here's the beauty of it, I don't have. It's like if you want to have this, because here's the beauty of it, I don't have to have sex. It's like I don't care who you marry, because I don't have to marry them. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly. Don't want to have an abortion, don't have an abortion. Don't want to be gay, don't be gay. It's really that simple, and mind your own business.
Speaker 1:Well see, that's the thing. Because it is America, we do have a lot of freedoms that other places don't have, and I think there's a section of people out there that feel bad that they have freedoms that other places don't have. It's not wrong to feel that, but what I feel like is I feel like they put themselves in the place of the people in those places. People don't like America, and I hate to say this because this sounds super Trumpy. But you're free to leave and I don't care where you're from or what's wrong with it. There has to be a point at some point where you're willing to defend what's yours. You're not going to run away and leave it by the side of the road. Now, no matter what happens to America, I'm here for the long haul. If someone wants to come over and take over America, I'm going to try to shoot them in the face. Don't get me wrong. It may or may not be the greatest thing going, but it's where I fucking live.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's where I live too, and there's realistically nowhere for me to run to. There's no America Junior that I can go and hang out with. Right right.
Speaker 2:Well, in funny choice words, you know you're free. There's no America Junior that I can go and hang out with Right Right. Well, in funny choice words, you know you're free to leave. It's expensive as hell to leave.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:If it was more financially feasible.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of people would go. Here's the thing. How bad do you want it? Yeah, is it so bad that it's breaking you down so fucking much that you're in such a tizzy? Sell all your shit and get the fuck out. Otherwise, shut up, because you've shown me by illustration of your actions that it's really not that serious and you can actually deal with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, and we've been through the four years before you know.
Speaker 1:Also, I don't want to sound like a dick and say, if you don't like things, you should, you should leave, because don't get me wrong there is because it is america. There is a process for change and what I mean is that's one of the reasons why, no matter who's the president, I'm not fucking leaving, because there's always a process for changing in in the united states, no matter who's in office, no matter whether you like them or hate them, there's always a process for change and that change is going to come one of two ways by people who disagree, freaking, doing something different and spreading the word, or by that system breaking all the way down and having nothing else left to do, and based on those two things when things are bad. There's gonna be a time when things are bad where they can't get any worse. But they're not gonna get any worse. And they're not gonna, and they may stay the same. They're not gonna get any worse. But what are you gonna do when that time comes?
Speaker 2:when things get worse yeah, well, you know I'd like to think, um, that there'd be some kind of revolution I could, you know, join forces with, but you know, I mean the way society is and the way the way things are. I can't start a revolution and end up in jail and lose my job and my house.
Speaker 1:I 100% agree.
Speaker 2:There are just things that I'm not willing to sacrifice because the fucking orange guy's in charge of being an asshole. You have to be, I have to be a responsible person or I'm going to lose everything I worked really hard for.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing I have to be a responsible person or I'm going to lose everything I worked really hard for. Well, here's the thing you have, because, unfortunately, I'm not a real big fan of depending on other people to do shit. So, in essence, I have to be my own revolution, right? And what I mean is I have to treat people in the way that I think they should be treated, no matter what everybody else is doing, way that I think they should be treated, no matter what everybody else is doing. I'm not going to go up here and Che Guevara Klamath Falls, fucking, because it's not going to happen. They're probably going to shoot me in the face. Okay, but I can make a change at the basis level by simply changing my behavior. And when I say changing my behavior, my behavior has to reflect what my belief system is. Because if my behavior has to reflect what my belief system is, because if my behavior doesn't reflect what my belief system is, You're a hypocrite.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not really a belief system, it's just some shit I'm saying, right, and what I.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think that is a big issue for me. It's like a lot of the people who decided to put 45 as 47, I don't want to refer to him as the P word because I really just hate him the people who decided to do that, a lot of them are claiming to be Christian. First of all, I don't want somebody else's moral compass dictating how I live my life. I have a very good moral compass, without the fear of the Almighty coming down with his wrath and sending me to Satan, you know.
Speaker 2:But these people who have voted for him, you know, they claim to believe in Christ and Christ's ways and then they decide to put somebody in charge that is literally the exact opposite of. I also have issues with the fact that you know he goes against me, he goes against people of color such as yourself, he goes against LGBTQ. I mean like there is a huge chunk of the population that he is not representative of or gives shit about, and is actually actively trying to put policies in place that, um, make life harder for for us and um, but and I think that's my hardest part is like half the country is like really only thinking about themselves for cheaper gas prices. Like that's just really sad. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1:I'm, I'm a huge fan because just getting expensive, but I'm not. I'm not going to genocide people for cheaper gas prices, right, I don't think we're getting to that, but I think we're on. We're on the road, I feel like we're on that path we're on the first two, two blocks of the yellow brick road of hitler to genocide people.
Speaker 2:It certainly could be happening and we don't know about it.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing. First off, I gotta let me just give a shout out to all the Christian people out there. Christians have been killing people for thousands of years. I don't think anything that I do or say is going to make them stop. No, you're absolutely right, also, if you A lot of people have died in the name of God, stop typing your fucking comment in the comments. I don't fucking care. Christians have been Christian people for literally decades.
Speaker 2:Well, religion in general. Exactly A lot of people have died in the wars of religion and God.
Speaker 1:in the name of God than anything, and I don't want to get off topic, but Christians I as a person and I'm not saying this as a person from the outside looking in I've been to the church, went to the church school, me too. I went to school to become a preacher and, unfortunately, the more I learned, the more that I learned that it's all about the cash monies. Yeah, because while I was going to school to be a preacher, more than half of my classes were how to get the money, what to do with the money, how to calculate how much money should be coming in and how to keep it all tax-free. Wow, but that very same place. There's a freaking little documentary about them oh yeah, because the like the head of the school was taking girls across state lines and raping them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so don't get me wrong. My view of christianity little bit biased, I'm not gonna deny it and I I do want to say don't at me here either.
Speaker 2:There are definitely some really amazing people with their whatever religion absolutely described to that do follow the ways of their religion to the best that they can, and nobody's perfect and everybody falters, but you know I do appreciate people representing what they preach and that's the thing.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm going to say something. It's going to be controversial, but I don't care. I want white power people to be white power. I don't want them to be white power at home. I want them to be white power in public, where everybody can see it. Because, unfortunately, if they're not, then that's not what they believe, because a crowd has made them curb their beliefs. Now I went to a place and shot people and had people try to kill me so they can say white power. That's why I'm all for them saying it, but I don't want them to say it if they're only going to say it at home. I want them to say it out in public too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you want people to be who they are, exactly For everybody to see, but that's the thing.
Speaker 1:What we're doing now is. There's so much. I don't want to offend this person, I don't want to offend that person, and that's great. We should respect each other's wishes. But, nobody should curb your core beliefs.
Speaker 2:I guess I see what you're saying. I mean, like it would be a whole lot different place if everybody was just exactly who they are and preached exactly what they thought, which you know. I have to say, like social media is a good platform for people to do those things and, as I kind of decided that, um, through the next four years, anything he does that I absolutely hate with a passion. I'm gonna, I'm gonna post something sarcastic online yeah, 47, just abolished the Constitution, go 47. We'll see that motherfucker rocks Hardcore metal. You know, I'm just going to be like that for the next four years Because it makes me feel better.
Speaker 1:Well, here's one good thing that my parents taught me. First and foremost, nobody out there cares what I think. Let me start off with that.
Speaker 2:I know when you say that too. I think to myself yeah, nobody probably really cares about what I think. Let me start off with that. I know when you say that too, I think to myself yeah, nobody probably really cares about what I know, it doesn't stop me from putting it exactly exactly, and that's the thing.
Speaker 1:While nobody cares what I think, there are people that need to know that somebody thinks like me yeah and it and it's. There's people out there that need to know that not everybody is the same and there's people with different viewpoints.
Speaker 2:Right, but it is nice to find your tribe, even if you don't know them personally. Find something that makes you feel so not alone. And you know, and I'm so grateful that I found the pocket of friends that I have in this small town, very red, southern Oregon.
Speaker 1:It is that. It is that.
Speaker 2:I have found the most liberal like-minded people here.
Speaker 1:I want you to know that I'm glad you're my friend. I'm glad you're my friend too. If you weren't my friend, I probably would have moved away from this motherfucker many, many moons ago.
Speaker 2:You know, you've mentioned that to me before, because I'm telling you that's really sweet, I'm telling you.
Speaker 1:Sometimes they piss me off, because here's the thing.
Speaker 2:People piss me off all the time.
Speaker 1:I'm from the South. I've lived in the South extensively.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And this is what cracks me up. People will come up to me and say, hey, these guys is racist over there, and while for Oregon they may be racist, but they're not doing it in front of you Exactly.
Speaker 2:They're not being racist in public.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're just, they're like we're down low racist. We keep it on the DL, we keep our white hoods in little black bags.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you don't want to get your ass kicked by a black man. Well, and that's the thing.
Speaker 1:They're not looking out for me because there's not that many black people here.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, you're going to break it.
Speaker 1:There's not that many black people here, so it's not like they're so, and that's the thing. If you're not the same all the time, you're fucking full of shit. I feel like I'm pretty the same all the time you are the same. Let me tell you something Back where we used to live. I used to sell weed to these white power dudes.
Speaker 2:I love that. I love that for you.
Speaker 1:Well, it's like well, me and the professor, that guy, me and the professor we brought a certain strain of cannabis to Bakersfield and we were freaking putting it out for a while. We were the only ones that had it.
Speaker 2:What strain was it?
Speaker 1:if you don't mind me asking no, it wasn't Purple Monkey Balls, it was the DJ Short Blueberry.
Speaker 1:Oh can't say I've heard of that DJ Short Blueberry, the guy the say I've heard of that DJ Short Blueberry, the guy, the actual DJ Short. He actually had a class down in LA and we went down and we took the class and at the end of the class we were able to get a fucking cutting from his little freaking plants there. And that's one of the main reasons why we freaking took the class. I think it was like 40 or 50 bucks. It was like a weekend workshop, something like that, but we wanted the class so we could get the fuckin' cutting, because nobody else had it. Because in order to get the seeds or to get like a frickin' plant of it, it cost us like 300 bucks, right.
Speaker 2:So we did that, but you sold weed to some white supremacist guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know what, it was totally cool and the thing was is like they didn't. Well, they freaking white, white power, fucking tyrone biggums. Yeah, they had no problem buying this weed. I told him I said scrum by, they're afraid of it, had no problem with it.
Speaker 2:Right, and I'm not, but they would have a problem having children with white women. Yeah, if I was boning their daughter.
Speaker 1:if I was at their Thanksgiving, they would have a problem with it. They would hang you. But here's the thing they want white power, dudes. And what I mean is they want white power because their love of money superseded their core beliefs.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think that is the problem in a nutshell, as to why Trump got elected, it's because everybody values money over human life and experience, and so I think that they think that he is the one to help them achieve that, and that's why he was elected, because he's clearly not a good human. Even a lot of Trump supporters can acknowledge that he's a total shithead.
Speaker 1:Well, he has what I like to call Mike Tyson syndrome.
Speaker 2:He doesn't know, he's special.
Speaker 1:No, mike Tyson. Mike Tyson, super nice guy, convicted rapist, rapist.
Speaker 2:Right, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Now you can go up to Mike Tyson freaking any time of the day or night. He's a super nice guy Freaking, felonious, rapist. But what you have to understand about Mike Tyson is he got famous for pummeling people about the head and shoulders. He wasn't famous because people like him.
Speaker 2:Right, that's true.
Speaker 1:Now, I have no doubt that if I was in a fight with Mike Tyson he would kill me, but the fact of the matter is I know that after he beat the living shit out of me, he would also be super nice to me. Let's take that in a different direction. Okay, no matter what happens, fucking El Presidente Elect is a fucking convicted felon, possible rapist, fucking name caller, all that other bullshit yeah, that's not going to change that's not going to change.
Speaker 2:Sucking on Putin's member, he's not.
Speaker 1:People aren't liking him and saying that he's good because he's a nice guy, they're saying that they're liking him because they want to pay less for gas. Yeah, saying that they are liking him because they want to pay less for gas, yeah. I'm not gonna say I'm totally not in that camp, because I also would like to pay less for gas. We all would like to pay less but the thing is he's never won an election let's look.
Speaker 2:Let's look at it and honestly, back to our bu and public thing. That is one thing you can say about the guy is he is authentically himself, no matter who's fucking watching. He's gross Because fuck it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, and you're right what they're going to do, and what I mean is nobody's liking him because he's a good president. That's not why they're liking him. They're liking him simply because they don't want to send any more money to Ukraine. They don't want to send any more money to Ukraine, they don't want to pay extra high-ass inflation and they want the interest rate to come down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, and I want all of those things too.
Speaker 1:But at what cost? That's the flip side that people aren't looking at.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:I understand, just like Mike Tyson is a rapist. They're saying, yeah, this guy's a fucking felon, but if you look at it, he has never won an election and what I mean is okay, let's talk about Bill Clinton's wife when she was running, killed all those people Fucking those emails. She didn't really lose, he didn't really win the election she just lost, she lost the election. Yeah, yeah, now I'm a firm believer in that, and now.
Speaker 2:A wise friend once said to me nobody wins the election, somebody just loses it. And ever since I heard that, I'm like that is so true because we're always just trying to pick the lesser of the two evils. Right, it's just how.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing also, like we're talking about earlier, your girl didn't get a good swing at good, a good bite at the apple.
Speaker 1:She gets a hundred days to fucking, he had four years yeah but also I saw something, and I know I probably shouldn't say this. I saw something earlier a freaking great comedian of mine, bill burr. He said hey, when I was a kid and you were running for president, if someone tried to shoot you and you survived, you automatically won game over. So there's a lot of things that were not conducive to kamala harris winning totally first and foremost is that she didn't get a good run-up.
Speaker 1:She didn't get a charlie brown style run up to the football to kick it right. She didn't get that. She got 100 days. Yeah, I can't say how well she did give him a run for the money. There's literally it's how. It would have been highly illogical for her to have won, having only 100 days. And that leads me to another thing. It's not that kamala lost. Go ahead. It's not that kamala lost. It's that joe fucked around until it was too late to recover yeah, totally and it's you know.
Speaker 1:People say, well, it's not his fault. It is his fault because if he would have dropped, if he would have dropped out in january, I think it would have been a. She would have had, at a minimum, a better chance. I don't know if she would have won or lost. I'm going to say that she would have had a better chance. There's a couple things, unfortunately, as a non-voter that it's hard to gauge someone in 90 days for the whole presidency Totally.
Speaker 2:And you know I hear a lot of Republicans saying she's had four years to prove herself and not shit's been done. Well, I mean, she is the vice president.
Speaker 1:What did she do?
Speaker 2:And I've never heard of any vice president setting the fucking presidents for what can be done in that position. Honestly, you really just don't hear about any great things vice presidents do. That's not uncommon, or?
Speaker 1:shit things, unless you know who the best vice president is. Who Dangerous Dick cheney. He shot a dude in the face and that dude came on the news and apologized for getting in front of his shotgun blast. That's you. Can't vice president better than that, I guess, okay so we're gonna break for commercial.
Speaker 2:I would like you guys all to enjoy a message from our sponsors. Okay, it's not a big deal. So while we were on break, we started talking about immigration and how you know, everybody has issues with these immigrants being here, and the 22 million or whatever number that they're thrown out isn't all illegals or all people who have made it into the country, but also attempts on making it into the country. That number is included.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say, attempts are pretty much a success. They're letting motherfuckers in left and right.
Speaker 2:They are, and I wish they wouldn't. I wish that they were making everybody follow a legal process. I think there needs to be more judges on the panel that's granting people access.
Speaker 1:Fair enough.
Speaker 2:So we can process them quicker. But, with that being said, the people that are bitching about all the immigrants are also bitching about the high prices and if they think that kicking 22 million people out of the country is going to make things more affordable and it might actually, because supply will be more- I can tell you 100% that kicking 22 million people out of the country will bring prices down. Yeah.
Speaker 1:What are your questions?
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, actually like I just worked that out in my brain too. But the people that are working these jobs that nobody wants to work, who's going to do that? You know?
Speaker 1:well, I can tell you who. It's not going to be the average American, because they're going to have to wake up too early and they're going to have to wake up, they're going to have to work too hard. There's no harder working slice of society that I have been exposed to, except maybe Jamaicans that are freaking working harder than illegal immigrants.
Speaker 1:I can't say as a whole. I can just say from the ones that I've talked to I never knew that illegal immigrants were such a thing until I lived in California. Literally some of the hardest working people out there were such a thing until I lived in California Literally some of the hardest working people out there. And you say, well, they're not paying taxes, they're fucking paying taxes. Okay, they're fucking paying taxes. They are. Okay, they're not working a job and not paying taxes. It may not be with the right social, but they're paying fucking taxes. Okay, right, they're paying them, they're not. They don't have some special card when they go to the store where they don't pay the fucking sales tax.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're paying fucking taxes okay, you know a friend of mine, she we were talking about sales tax and my boyfriend was talking about how much he appreciates Oregon not having sales tax. And I always have too. You know, I always forget about taxes when you go other places. Oddly enough, ashland has their own. They have a sales tax and it's like beautification for the city and it's working.
Speaker 1:I mean like they also have a circus school.
Speaker 2:But I was just in ashland a few days ago and I went to pay for something and there was a tax on it that I forgot about and I went oh yeah, that's right, you guys have a sales, which is weird I know, but you know they use the money for what they say. They're gonna use it for and that's how.
Speaker 1:That's hard to find now in these united states it's a really beautiful little town, you know I haven't really stopped there and got to freaking hang out there, but we got to get there yeah, it's a pretty rad little place.
Speaker 2:Actually, I had a lot of fun and you know there's some culture over there which is lacking in other places. But what did I say? Immigration oh no sales tax. Amber said to me we were camping one time and she said I'm all for sales tax and I was like why.
Speaker 2:Why do you want to pay more, you know? And she said because people that don't work, or people who are working under the table stuff, or people who you know are escaping taxes, are paying taxes. That way it is an even across the board tax situation. And I went oh yeah, that totally makes sense, actually, and so I'm not as opposed to sales tax in Oregon.
Speaker 1:okay, once was because there are plenty of people, you know we all know that one guy that's working on the table because he got fucking child support some bullshit and they're trying to get that yeah yeah, you know, and it would just everybody would be paying taxes that way and it wouldn't be just dependent on the like blue collar middle class.
Speaker 1:Well, I am. I am 100% for legal immigration. I'm not for illegal immigration and I'm not for. I'm not, I'm not. I'm not saying that I want these people that are escaping. People are persecuting them down in freaking Mexico. There's some places where they're just sex trafficking all the chicks I get that.
Speaker 1:I don't want to physically hurt these people. I don't want them to have a bad time, but I want to help them. But if you've ever helped anybody, you know that in order for me to properly help you, I have to make sure my own shit is right and then I can help you. It's like they say on the airplane put on your mask first and then put on your child's mask. Because mask? Because here's the problem, and I think more, more states, more cities are seeing this now that texas is putting motherfuckers on a bus and sending them to yotown, usa.
Speaker 1:The problem is not that we don't want to help people. That's not the issue. The problem is people. That's not the issue. The problem is at each location. There are places in the United States that are made, that are built to support 20,000 people. When I double that population, instead of some of the people getting help, when I double that population. Now I've made it to where not only do some of the people not get helped, nobody gets helped, because everybody gets a half ass job, because the system is overloaded. It's not that I want people to suffer. I don't want the lady that's coming to the United States with her small children trying to give them a better life. I don't want her to have a heat stroke. I don't want her to, freaking, still suffer in Mexico. But when it comes down to it, I don't want you being here to stop my wife or child from getting what they need.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And we're coming to that point when you let everybody know it's just like shoplifting. When you let everybody know that there's going to be little to no penalty for breaking the law. Guess what law everybody's breaking? Oh yeah, and when they found out, when people found out that they said, hey, you can, if you go to the united states, they not going to shoot you on sight, like some countries do. They're not going to immediately put you on a bus and send you back home, like some countries do. They're not going to put you in a political jail on the ground for decades at a time, like some countries do. They're going to give you a checkup. They're going to give you a box lunch. If you're lucky, they'll put you on a bus to some other city and they'll put you up in a hotel and they'll give you a little cash.
Speaker 1:Now, if I was somewhere, if I was somewhere else besides the United States, you know where I'm going Jail, no, probably. But there's no reason for a person anywhere else outside of the United States not to come to the United States. When we start making it difficult or a hard time for someone to come to the United States, that's when people stop coming, but instead, it's like a freaking fun, fantastical voyage. You might get a little freaking extra cash if you, if you can make it. It's almost like freaking squid games.
Speaker 2:If you can make it, you might get a little cash, you might get a little hotel, and it's unfortunate that it's come down to that, but it shouldn't be like that first off because, yeah, no, I agree that, like um, there doesn't need to be billions of dollars going to setting these people up even if it's just for a week, you know for them to try to find something and get on their feet. I mean, they are clearly struggling enough down there absolutely want to come up here and have a chance at success, right, yeah?
Speaker 1:they're. They're not bullshit, they're not like that.
Speaker 2:But there's not an obligation on our government's part to set them up for success. They just there, needs to be a better process.
Speaker 1:Well, we have to, because we feel so bad.
Speaker 2:A faster process for these people to enter legally.
Speaker 1:Well, we feel so bad because our feelings are so hurt, we've got to help these people.
Speaker 2:No, the fuck, we don't yeah, no, we really don't like you're escaping a really bad situation. You're not necessarily. We don't want you to necessarily think that. How do I want to word this? You're escaping a bad situation, so you, you should expect a struggle when you get here, because you're not coming here with anything, you know, and it is not our responsibility to feed and clothe you in house. You, you need to bust your ass or come here with a plan because the rest of us. Nobody's paying for my fucking house you can't.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 2:You can't tell people that nobody, nobody's paying for my food. Nobody, nobody's paying for my shit. I would really like the money Of the government To stay In the states Period.
Speaker 1:Oh, you mean you don't want to freaking Give some guy that? Well, here's the thing. If we really want to integrate people Into the United States, I think the first thing, I think the first person that should meet people at the border who have made their children trek all this way is motherfucking CPS. Because if I took my child to a place where I knew they were going to be in danger and they could possibly die, cps would be on my doorstep talking about you, endangered your kid. It's a felony. We're going to have to take you to jail.
Speaker 1:Because you know what? If I was just average Joe and I did, I performed not necessarily the exact thing, but I endangered my. I took my kid to a place where I knew they were going to be in danger and I forced them to freaking walk 20 hours a day for hours on end by United States centers. That's fucking child abuse. Let's have CPS meet them right there, enroll them in some child freaking uh care classes right there and have them put up on felony charges, because that's what they would do to me if I was an american yeah, or maybe I like, I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't want to say felony charges, because they really are trying to get their kids to a better place and not a dangerous place. Um, so I'm not saying, but getting them here is endangerment absolutely and maybe cps should look at the situation and see what exactly they're working with. I'd be another agency involved, right that can kind of vet what's going on right and offer some skills training for these parents so they can be in a better situation.
Speaker 1:I'm not feeling it.
Speaker 2:Instead of giving them a hotel and money and stuff, I'm not even 100% that I don't know for a fact that that's happening.
Speaker 1:I know for a fact that's happening. Okay, I know absolutely 100% for a fact. Take, for example, mayor Eric Adams. He's right there in New York, percent for a fact. Take, for example, mayor eric adams. He's right there in new york. What he, what he said one year ago, is that america is built on immigration. He wants to welcome all immigrants with open arms, and that's what he's done for the last 18 months, because the governor of texas has put people on the bus and forced him to do it. Now he has a problem because now the people that are there are overloading the resources, the place that they gave him to stay. It's time for him to get out and the motherfuckers won't leave. Now they're shooting up fucking police, and I think he's had enough of them. And it's not the fact that he doesn't want to help people, that's not what he's saying. The fact of the matter is he has too many people for the resources allotted in the area that he is in and he's now seeing what they're experiencing on the border.
Speaker 1:And he's getting a taste of that Because and I've kind of been following this pretty closely there they made the first load of immigrants that the governor of Texas sent to New York. They put up in a super fancy hotel fancy hotel right now. They've been there for about four or five months. About three months ago they were supposed to leave. They didn't want to leave and they fucking battened down the hatches. So there's a a core of probably about 40 or 50 people. They're still at that hotel, not paying, not fucking doing anything, and they can't really get them out because you know it'll be a bad look and they don't know what to do with them.
Speaker 2:Well, and the way the laws are I don't know in New York, but you know like in order to evict somebody, it's a whole ass process.
Speaker 1:So now we've given them basically the American rights and all that stuff and they broke in here. If you go to any court, what they have is they have the fruit of the poison tree. If you commit, if you break a law to prove that someone else broke a law, then we can't accept that, because you broke the law. To prove that someone else broke a law, then we can't accept that, because you broke the law to do that. Now, if we did that on immigration, they'd be booting their asses out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but even while I'm very opinionated about it, I also believe that I don't have any say. I believe the only way that we can get an accurate assessment of what to do with illegal immigrants is by assembling a group of legal immigrants and having them figure it out, because I don't know what it is to leave my country and go to another country. I need someone with experience from that point of view, because I'm just over here talking out of my ass.
Speaker 2:I know it's a great idea.
Speaker 1:I can sit here and say we should do this, but who am I? What experience do I have?
Speaker 2:I think it's a great idea to get the legal immigrants that came over here for a better life and better opportunities to have. Yeah, they should do a study on that. What did it take for you to get on your feet?
Speaker 1:What did you?
Speaker 2:do. What was your experience getting here? What was your struggle when you got here?
Speaker 1:I've talked to a lot of legal immigrants being in the military. I've talked to a lot of legal immigrants that freaking immigrated legally, got their citizenship and then joined the military.
Speaker 2:We're talking about some people.
Speaker 1:This is a five to seven year process and we're talking between 12 and 20 grand. It's not like I break in and I'm in motherfuckers Right, Because to me, if I was a legal immigrant, I would want to shoot the illegal immigrant in the face, especially if they're getting all the same shit that I got, freaking after being here for five to seven years and then paying between 12 and 20 grand right, right, yeah, I do.
Speaker 2:But you know, I mean like I could understand being a little bent about that, but that's like you know, that's like saying, well, because I suffered, you have to too well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:If you're coming to the United States, the goal is to assimilate.
Speaker 2:That's yeah.
Speaker 1:It can't not be your goal. If you wanted to come to the United States and live like you're in Mexico, you could have just stayed in Mexico and saved yourself a whole trip.
Speaker 2:I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1:And I don't, and that's the thing. The things that are that people are coming to america for are american things, so you would think that they would want to assimilate to american things because that's why they're coming. I totally, I totally want people to hold on to their culture, but if you're coming to the United States, you're going to have to fucking get on board or it's going to be a problem, and it's always going to be a problem. If I was moving to Italy, I wouldn't be like I'm married on 4th of July, I wouldn't be running around shooting off fireworks. They're going to take my ass to jail Because this is italy bitch and I don't understand how, as americans, we stopped having the responsibility to make people assimilate when they get here I got.
Speaker 2:I got one word for you as a response tacos people love tacos they do you know?
Speaker 1:and people love mexican food, they do and that's the thing, the difference of the people.
Speaker 2:People can keep their culture, though without like. Yeah, like you said, going to italy and shooting off fireworks on the fourth of july. It's not their independence day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're like fuck you, guy, get the 4th of.
Speaker 2:July. What's wrong with you? It's not their Independence.
Speaker 1:Day. Yeah, they're like fuck you guy, get the fuck out of here. It's fucking illegal here. And I don't want anybody to not come to America to attempt to make a better life. That's not what we're talking about. No, we just want it done legally. Exactly. I want you to come to America without having the drawback or the freaking axe hanging over your head that you've done something illegal and you can get deported at any time. You're already in a totally different country. Why make it so hard on yourself?
Speaker 2:Right, if you're going to be here, act right.
Speaker 1:Now don't get me wrong, and most of them do I 100% agree to be here.
Speaker 2:Act right Now. Don't get me wrong, and most of them do.
Speaker 1:I 100% agree.
Speaker 2:Most of them do act right. Most of them are not criminals at all, whether they're here illegally or not. Okay, if they're here illegally, I guess that kind of makes them kind of criminals. But aside from that, but aside from that, they're just wanting to work and make a living for their family. Absolutely, and I think that is a beautiful thing and that is the American dream is to be able to work and make a life for yourself.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:But most people anymore are working to live, or they're living to work but they're not working to live. You know, and that's the reality, we're in and in, and you know, I think there are so many things that factor into that, and the immigration thing I'm sure is part of it, because, like you said earlier, you throw 20 million people in a space that's only good for five.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not, and those five million are already six million on their own and I want you to understand that I'm not coming from a place of hate. I know I don't hate illegal immigrants because, let me tell you, I love all kinds of women. I'm not saying that in a rapey molestory style, but what I mean is I like learning about different places. Yeah, learning about different places. Yeah, there's nothing more intriguing to me than to learn about a different place, especially from someone who's lived there, because then I get all the special details you know what I'm saying Right, and the thing is, if you wanted to come to my house, just call me.
Speaker 1:We can make arrangements and be prepared for you. Yeah, and we can make it. Fine, don't just break in my window, cause then I'm going to have to call the police, right, or?
Speaker 2:put a board in there. Yeah, cause I'm in fear of my life. Yeah, my um, my uncle um, he's pretty, he, my uncle, he's pretty right, you know, far right and well, I think he's a wonderful human, but but it does disappoint me that we're on opposite sides of that spectrum. But I do love him and there was something that he posted on Facebook one day and it really did make a lot of sense. And I'm not nearly as like liberal with my immigration beliefs as I am with a lot of other things Like I I think I like with with immigration and with guns. I think there should be a way to monitor and do it legally, while not restricting our rights to bear arms, okay, um, or people getting into the country legally versus illegally, like I wish there was a better process in which that could be processed.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely here you know legally, um, or at least on their way to legally have a hearing or something scheduled once they hit the border to determine whether you can stay or not, and what you need to do in order to make that happen.
Speaker 2:There needs to be a process, a better process yes a more expedited process because there's so many of them fleeing here. And do agree there needs to be consequences if they fuck up while they're here on a visa or whatever Like, but I also think that there's due process too, because people are wrongfully accused of shit all the time.
Speaker 1:Oh 100%.
Speaker 2:You know, I mean all black people look the same, Am I right? Hey-o you know I mean, but I do appreciate all races and all people's journeys that get them to where they're going and um, but I know I've had to. I've had to walk the straight and narrow line for the most part. I mean, I sold copious amounts of marijuana back in the day when it wasn't legal but, like I was doing the community a service, whether it was legal or not, I was doing good work there.
Speaker 1:Doing the good work of the Lord. And you know that brings another thing we all criminals. No, that term legal, it's a freaking relative term.
Speaker 2:It is. I mean I see where you're going with this.
Speaker 1:I'm not a person to go out and encourage people to break the law. Why? Because I don't want you stealing my stereo out of my car.
Speaker 2:Okay, but some laws are just kind of stupid, they are.
Speaker 1:It's like look here, like you mean, I know that that guy stole my radio, but I can't go over there and shoot him in the face. I have the video where I've seen him break it into my shit, but I just can't go over there and either A get it back or shoot him in the face. No, you can't do that, sir. That's illegal. It's like really.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, but you guys aren't gonna do it either. No, we gotta fucking go to court and we gotta do all this other stuff. It's like, yeah, I mean. Well, that's what I'm saying is like every, every situation is a story. It is and I work in criminal law and everybody has a story and everybody has the things that they do. But like when it comes to when it comes to like harming other people, those laws are good. You should not harm other people.
Speaker 1:You should not do shit that doesn't belong to you. Some people need to be harmed, like we're talking about sometimes. It's one of those things where you know what sometimes I'm going to. I'm going to freakingin defend my wife sometimes when she doesn't want to be defended.
Speaker 2:Whether she likes it or not. You might say and it's not.
Speaker 1:It's not a matter of, hey, I'm going to make you do this thing. It's a matter of I care about you. I don't want you to be in this situation, and it's not. I'm going to do this, whether you like it or not. I'm not going to wait for you to give me the go-ahead to do it. It's not like I'm going to do it, whether you like it or not, because if she didn't like it, I could make it way easier for myself and not do it, so I don't have to hear about it for the next 25 years. So Well, I mean years. So well, I mean okay, yeah, there is, there are justifiable acts. But if a, if a rapist says that, if some dude that's like actually, and he's got a neck beard down there and he has a little fedora and he's call you my lady, then you want to rethink it. I don't want that guy protecting me regardless. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, no, I don't trust a rapist, sexual assaulter to protect me or my daughters or my grandchildren.
Speaker 1:Fair enough.
Speaker 2:I just don't and that's gross to think that he will when he has literally done whatever he wants.
Speaker 1:But he's grabbed. Hey, he's so famous that he's got other people fired for him. Telling the story of grabbing people in the pussy. Talking to you, Billy Bush.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's gross, it's fucking nasty, but that that.
Speaker 1:You know, I feel like Billy Bush should be able to sue somebody Sitting in a bus Talking to a presidential candidate. Sitting in a bus talking to a presidential candidate and he busts out with this off-color story, gives him the freaking interview, laugh, okay, now he's suddenly he's fucking fired. But if he would have said, hey fuck, you don't tell that story, they'd be like, oh, now you're fired because you didn't let him tell the story. You know how many fucking views he would have said hey, fuck, you don't tell that story. They've been like, oh, now you're fired because you didn't let me tell the story. You know how many fucking views that would have been. Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:This world's just really twisted.
Speaker 1:It is. But it's like Billy Bush, I'm going to pour one out for you.
Speaker 2:Like I really do try to. I'm really good at being objective and I'm really good at, like, taking in new information, and I've changed my mind multiple times. I remember when I was this is a good example when I was in high school, I had to take a foreign language. It was just part of the curriculum to graduate. I don't think that's the case anymore, but I really took to foreign language, right, and my mom suggested I take Spanish, and I literally felt in my heart of hearts that my truth was if they come to this country, they need to learn my language, they need to learn English. You know, and I know a lot of people feel that way now, since then, I really fucking wish I would have listened to my mom, because Spanish is an incredibly helpful language to know, especially in the job market. Being bilingual is huge.
Speaker 1:I am still and this might be some of my Gordon Gekko buy-sell-buy-sell kicking in, but I still think if you want to live in motherfucking America, you gotta learn English, I think it is very important and they should. In exchange for.
Speaker 2:I'm just I think that they should in exchange. But I but that. I'm just I think that they should learn english. I just um understand how hard language is to learn, and english is particularly difficult if you ever tried to teach a child how to read oh man, in the english language? You're like damn, because people in amer this is really complicated actually.
Speaker 1:People in America are not speaking English. I'm going to put that out right now. Well, that's true, there's 27 different fucking dialects of English in the United States. That's super true.
Speaker 2:But also if I'm going to a different country, I, I want to be able to speak enough to where I can find the bathroom and order some food and know how much shit costs.
Speaker 1:Oh so you're super nice, I just want to know enough. So I don't want people talking shit about me when I'm right there.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's funny. In all honesty, that was another reason I was really bummed that I didn't learn Spanish, because there are a lot of Mexicans in this area and a lot of them speak Spanish and it feels like I mean because I know a lot of them speak Spanish and it feels like I mean because I know a lot of them know English, like the majority of them know English?
Speaker 1:They wouldn't lie to me about that, would they they?
Speaker 2:talk to each other in Spanish and I just feel like it's this secret club that I can't understand, because I didn't take Spanish in high school to French like a dumbass.
Speaker 1:Well, I know a little bit of Filipino and some other Asian language because, being in the military, most of the time when I go to the PX, when I go to get my hair cut, there's a little Asian or Filipino lady that's cutting my hair or checking me out. So I pick that up. So now, when freaking Kelly goes to the fucking, if I'm with her and she's at the nail salon, I can tell when they're talking about us.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And there's a couple of words, there's a couple of phrases I can say to them, and they're like oh, listening the whole time. Yeah, then it's all like super serious, Like oh yeah would you like some water?
Speaker 2:Oh, your feet are very nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I totally know English. Now Would you like a warm towel, and it's you are. You're in a secret club. But when you penetrate that secret club it hurts people's feelings.
Speaker 2:I just yeah, there's just been multiple times throughout life where I was like man, I really wish I knew spanish. Actually, I did learn some spanish words that were um, like slang, ish or derogatory type terms, and so I do know when they're talking about my tits. Hey oh you know and, and that has happened and absorbed it. I don't know actually.
Speaker 1:They like the boobies, the boobies.
Speaker 2:Cheechies. Yeah, I know it's pretty funny, but not funny Well I.
Speaker 1:Bakersfield. Know a lot of Spanish guys, know a lot of Spanish guys, know a lot of Mexican guys and one guy told me he's like hey, I was like dude. The one guy he told me he's like hey, I'm gonna take you over there, these guys are a fucking bunch of gangbangers, don't worry, relax, it's fine. So I went up there. I'm like those dudes are kind of fucking whacked out. He said this is what you do. So whenever you meet some fucking Mexican dudes you know from gangbangers, just tell them hey, you know, joker, freaking. If they say anything that sounds like Negrita or Negroni, they're talking about you. Look at them, put your finger out like that.
Speaker 2:Well, they're talking about you. Yeah, they're not talking about me. Well, yeah, they're not talking about me. Well, yeah, they're not talking about you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he said hey, just, you'll be cool, it'll be fine. Huh, one day we're out there, we're just hanging out, frickin' you know, hanging out in the alley in Bakersfield, as I always want to do, and this guy, these Spanish guys, come up and they're like hey, fuck. And these guys come up all flexing on me with their fucking shirts button up at the top, with their socks, pull all the way up to their knees, right, I'm like, hey, I just just talking to joker. He said he said meet him here. Then they just totally left me alone. They're like all right and fucking rolled out. They fucking crip, walked on.
Speaker 2:It was pretty crazy oh my gosh, you know what that even I said you know what?
Speaker 1:That evening I said you know what? Thanks, bro, you possibly saved my life today. No shit, because when they walked up, all I heard was doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot doot, doot.
Speaker 2:I was like damn.
Speaker 1:I said you guys going to rock it till the wheels fall off, ok, I'm like hey, joker told me to meet him here. They're like oh, okay. And they crip, walked away like that was like that's funny, I thought. And he was like dude, did you think I was fucking around with you? I was like yeah, I kind of thought you were. He was like no it's not a reality. I ever but yeah, yeah, because I'm like well, and that's just it.
Speaker 2:Like we all have our own um experience and stuff that have led us to where we are right now. You know, and um, I, you know I'm I am super opinionated about things. I'm not sure the answer to the immigration, which is why I'm relatively quiet about it. I because I, I don't know, I don't know the answer to make it better for everybody I wish I did and I wish I did.
Speaker 2:But I am always, um, really open-minded to hearing other perspectives and if you guys want to try to educate me on some things like like why trump was elected first, I mean like just to throw that out there as an example because I really would like to understand it from your perspective um, and without the hate spewed at me, you know, because that's not, I'm not gonna learn anything if you're being hate.
Speaker 2:Some people can't separate I just want to like have an actual, reasonable conversation with somebody who can explain it to me so I can at least um understand from your point it's gonna be hard to find because a lot of people can't separate their core beliefs from the emotional parts that it triggers right and we're all guilty of that.
Speaker 1:Well, I want people to tell me why they feel a certain way. Because me, I'm understanding now that I don't have all the info. I don't have all the viewpoints. The only way for me to get the viewpoints is talk to people with those viewpoints, and I can't get those viewpoints if I'm jumping all in their kool-aid with my fucking bs.
Speaker 2:That's the thing that drives me crazy too.
Speaker 2:Like I don't engage on other people's posts much unless I just have facts to give, I try to really just stick with the facts like a mutual friend of ours yes, that has sources she's, you know, and I'm like I love you girl, so I actually know about this, or you know, like I'm gonna fact check this or something, and I really do try to just spit facts, you know, because there is a lot of misinformation out there. I'm guilty of spreading some, I'm sure. Um, I remember actually believing that the antifa van was coming to klamath for their blm march, for the, you know, because we had all the republicans on one side of the street and all the people of color and their supporters on the other side of the street and there was guns down there.
Speaker 2:But everybody fucking behaved, dude, there's fucking guns at the fucking cnd burger I was actually really impressed with both sides, even though there was some hateful shit that was screamed at the blm marchers um the blm marchers. They were peaceful here.
Speaker 2:Here I'm not talking for any other city, yeah okay I can't speak to other cities but I can speak to here, even though the gun toters were down there and some of them were hateful, but most of them were just there to make sure that my side didn't get out of hand. But my side never had any plans to get out of hand. You know, we're just marching for the cause. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:well, I but everybody behaved themselves and I was like this is what it should be like I think that, while there's a lot of people, I think the thing that kept everybody in check was not the fact that was this group there. It was there. That was there, the fact that there is a shit ton of guns in Klamath County. If some shit could break off, almost everybody there could freaking. I know a couple of little ladies that carry .32s around in their purse, yeah, so I'm not going to say that it's also one of the reasons why you've had very. I think you had one or two school shootings in oregon and I think on both occasions the person was either nabbed or apprehended in some way by a person who wasn't with the law enforcement that had their own gun right and I think that's one of the things that keeps law enforcement or not law enforcement, but wild, crazy shootings from happening in oregon is the fact there's so many guns out there there is.
Speaker 2:It's that, and I also am a gun owner and, um, you know like I went through the legal means to get it and I don't have an issue doing things that I am keep it or carry it. I am concealed.
Speaker 1:I am Well, I support Second Amendment. I also don't support registered guns. Yeah, and I'm going to tell you why. Yeah, tell me why. Our girl, former presidential candidate, kamala Harris, was part of the group that enacted a group of law enforcement officers that roams through the state of California and what they do is they're responsible for collecting weapons from prohibited persons. And what I mean is, if you have a felony, yeah, I understand. Yeah, so they freaking cross-reference this checklist of registered firearms and they'll show up at your house, ask you where these firearms are and be ready to collect them. That being said, it sounds like a great system, but unfortunately for us, that system is full of people and people make mistakes. It's going to be kind of hard to suss out what's going on if they erroneously show up at your house to take your erroneously freaking, you know, prohibited gun, because we all know paperwork, paperwork mishaps, sure Stuff happens. Nobody's perfect and I don't think I don't trust the government enough for them to be in charge of taking that kind of apprehension.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying, because they could overstep really easily and blame some failed paperwork and lie to us and just come in and confiscate. Sorry, you bitch. You're on this list. I'm taking your.
Speaker 1:I've had my weapon confiscated by the list. I've had a weapon confiscated by the state of california and for protecting myself and not doing anything wrong. No charges, were they? My charges were dismissed, but they made it so difficult for me to get my shotgun back. For a $200 shotgun it probably would have cost me five or six hundred dollars to get it back right, and unfortunately that's not right. And when I what I mean by that's not right is if I didn't, if I wasn't guilty of that crime. Everything that goes along with that should be wiped out. So you should just hand me back my firearm as long as I can provide proof of purchase in oregon.
Speaker 2:Um, if something like that happens, you know like, say you're accused of domestic violence. Say you just, I don't know. Say your wife was kicking your fucking ass and you pushed her off of you and she called the cops and because you pushed her, now you're in trouble for harassment or something. Okay, um, by offensive physical contact.
Speaker 1:Fair enough.
Speaker 2:Okay, you know you were just defending yourself and that you never tried to hurt her Like you're. You're, you're falsely accused ultimately. Okay, and you are not allowed to have firearms until it's all done and over again. Okay, so you've got an attorney now, right, and you provide a video to your attorney that shows that you were just trying to keep her from beating the ever-living shit out of you. Okay, show it to the DA's office. They're like oh, clearly he was acting in self-defense Case dismissed. I wish it was this easy. I'm simplifying it. Simplifying.
Speaker 1:There's going to be some money changing hands.
Speaker 2:But let's just say, that happens Now they don't always release the shit back to the people that they confiscated it from.
Speaker 2:You know, now that we've charged you with this, you can't have firearms. We're taking all of your, all of your guns. Okay, you've got an arsenal and they're all, yeah. So now what happens is I have to file a motion on your behalf, as the assistant to the attorney, for everything that was compensated to be returned to you in order. The sheriff's office, or whoever's holding the evidence, has to have a motion saying that they're allowed to do that.
Speaker 2:The dismissal doesn't seem to be good enough yeah, so luckily, most of the people that come across my life are guilty. Most are guilty with an explanation fair enough, you know. Everybody's guilty with an explanation, fair enough, you know.
Speaker 1:Everybody's guilty with an explanation. It's just. It's just like. Is this the explanation that they want, right?
Speaker 2:Is this an acceptable explanation?
Speaker 1:Yeah, are you just a whack job, or did you just fucking flip off the handle? I?
Speaker 2:mean you very, very, very rarely get a client. That's like I mean. You, as Adam says, like you hang out at the barbershop long enough, you're going to get a haircut. Generally, people who are charged with things are charged reasonably. Yes, I mean like it's a reasonable expectation to be charged and don't get me wrong. Sometimes the charges are just right.
Speaker 1:There's been times where I've been charged with stuff wrongfully, but there was a whole bunch of other shit that they had no idea about, so it kind of you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I got in trouble for shoplifting in 2011. Okay, okay, it was a theft three. Okay, it's a misdemeanor okay I've never been in trouble in my life. Okay, now let me just tell you something. Okay, I probably shouldn't say this on the recording, but I'm going to anyway. Um, when I got in trouble, I did not actually mean to take that item okay, okay like it was a little glass bottle.
Speaker 2:I had set it on my couch or on my purse in the cart and I got like six phone calls. I was a hairstylist, so I was booking appointments and stuff while I'm grocery shopping in the store and at some point when the phone transfer, that bottle me not paying attention ended up in my purse. Well, this particular store has insane security and cameras and I remember when I walked in there I was, my hair was like platinum blonde. I was wearing this cute little dress that was like this coral color.
Speaker 2:I was feeling myself that day, I looked cute and I was definitely bar none the shiniest person in that store, okay, okay, all eyes on me.
Speaker 2:I stuck out like a sore thumb. Like everybody in there is all gray and like blends in with the background, not me. I'm bright as fuck, I'm like hey. And so I definitely stuck out like a sore thumb. Um, and I remember thinking that when I walked in, I in no way intended on stealing this thing. Okay, they stopped me at the door, they took me back to the room. They asked me if I had anything in my purse. To my knowledge, like I literally just dropped like 450 on groceries at this grocery store which, in 2011, was yeah, that's like two carts in the before times.
Speaker 2:Right, that's mad. It was mad amount of groceries actually, I think honestly not exaggerating, I think it was more like 350, but still shit ton of groceries I had just purchased. I had no intention of stealing anything, but I said all that story to say that I had shoplifted plenty when I was younger than that and when I got busted this time I took my licks because I felt like it was just karma for other shit that I'd stolen.
Speaker 2:Absolutely I mean, like I'm part of the reason everything at walmart is on lockdown probably no, I think.
Speaker 1:I think there's a lot more people.
Speaker 2:It's been 20 plus years okay, but I feel like I was like the trendsetter on that one.
Speaker 1:I think it's joe biden's fault, because they came on television and said we're not gonna be able to take you to jail for your non-violent, shoplifting ass. And then it was on I honestly um believe that.
Speaker 2:Um, what was I just gonna say? Shit. Um, oh, the reason why I was a shoplifter I'm gonna blame being poor, you know, because, like the shit I would steal was like makeup and dog food, like shit that I needed to feel like human and shit to feed my dog.
Speaker 2:I hear you like I remember I stole like a two pound block of cheese once you know, because, like I knew, like at best I could, I feed the kids fucking grilled cheese and but cheese is expensive and we used to have this thing that in the quote unquote hood called dick meat.
Speaker 1:It's not what you think, ladies. Calm down. So that's when you're hungry. I got a sausage for you. Dick meat is when a dude goes into your local food max and his gray sweatpants, takes a fucking thing of steaks and slides them down his pants oh yeah, I've seen people. Then he shoots out of the fucking, shoots out of the freaking thing, stops by the house, be like, hey, 50 cents on the dollar, got these fucking steaks. Even though I buy them all the time, even though that steak has rubbed up all against that dude's balls, I don't even care, they're covered in plastic, yeah you know what I'm saying, yeah, it's, I really did, though with that situation.
Speaker 2:I took my licks. I even told my mom, because my mom, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I really did, though With that situation, I took my licks.
Speaker 2:I even told my mom because my mom helped pay for my court fees and it was like $200 or something like that. And she helped me because I was fucking poor, you know. I mean the money that I spent at the grocery store. I mean most of it was food stamps. Yeah, you know, I was poor. I just didn't have the money to get these things that I really needed to feed my dog or my kids or makeup so I can have a decent job, so you can fucking. Well, I was a cosmetologist.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't want to go around like, yeah, I'm a skinny cook when I was more of a shoplifter.
Speaker 2:It was actually before cosmetology, so I don't have that to blame, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, just to set the record straight, that was when you were freaking turning over your new leaf.
Speaker 2:But I definitely like I'm a chameleon. I can look really rough, you know, and I can look really really good, and sometimes I have that in between, like, and I can look really, really good, and sometimes I have that in between, like today I'm wearing last night's bar makeup and eyelashes For reference people.
Speaker 1:She looks totally fine.
Speaker 2:She's totally fine, it's because the eyelashes are still on.
Speaker 1:On point.
Speaker 2:On point. But yeah, no, I mean, I just was poor, I just couldn't afford things that people need to feel good and have a say in. But see, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:If there was a way that we could do it. If you make less than X amount of dollars and you're shoplifting a food item or you're stealing a food item, then there should be some type of way I can look you up in a computer. Oh, you make less than $42,000 a year. It's a wash.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a, it's a wash. Yeah, we do have, fortunately and this is I'm not sure how old this program is, but I want to say it's in the last five, six years that this came to be. Um, in this county anyway, there is a shit ton of specialty courts okay and really cool programs that the court system has set up. So, say, I got busted stealing cheese to feed my kids. Okay, say I got busted with that. They'd be like, oh well, here's this. Here's the situation. You're going to take this job training class and graduate it and apply for jobs until you're gainfully employed. And here's a program that will help with child care while you're doing these things.
Speaker 2:Okay, and you're gonna get on your feet, so you don't have to steal cheese to feed your kids absolutely you know, and I think that's really cool, and if you graduate this program I think it's called kebs we it doesn't get used too much because most people are like doing a lot worse than stealing cheese for their family, yeah, but there are plenty of unemployed women that are getting men or misdemeanor theft charges for whatever reason, and they just okay. Well, we're gonna help you better yourself by getting you on your feet and I think that that is really fucking cool and you graduate this program, your case will be dismissed that that is really fucking cool and you graduate this program and your case will be dismissed.
Speaker 1:That is a quality. That is that's a quality program. Two reasons why it takes some work on the individual's part. It's not just a simple hey, here's a free pass. Right, you got to actually do something. Right, you got to put some effort in to freaking, get your shit expunged.
Speaker 2:You get your shit taken care of so success story I had a client who was in trouble for theft of food and she really was just poor. Her guy, um, her guy had left and she had like two, two or three kids and one of them was just a baby. So going to work with a new baby is really challenging and daycare is so expensive. So going to work with three kids that aren't in school yet that's fucking expensive. You know, she's stuck yeah.
Speaker 2:And she got in trouble for theft of, you know, food items and she got put in this program and she is now working as like a medical assistant over in medford and her kids are taken care of. Her case got dismissed when she was moving over there. Um, she needed some dishes. I had a shit ton of dishes that I didn't need, and so I was like I will bring you dishes because, like, okay, she, oh, that was that was. The other thing she had experienced is her house had burned down, and so her man left and her house burned down and she's got three kids and she's supposed to better herself how.
Speaker 2:There's no way and this program like like they. They got her um registered through um Klamath Lake action services class and registered through Klamath Lake Action Services it's called CLAS and they helped her get a house and then donations from the community helped her fill her house and it was just really cool.
Speaker 2:She went through the program, she got employed, she got some job training as a medical assistant and she's doing just so much better now and so I feel like if more places have those kinds of programs, I think that that would be really helpful, because it's not just benefiting um petty theft charges, it's helping. It's helping resolve some poverty, and that's the thing. It's providing chances for, if you could, and that's the thing. And it's providing chances for people.
Speaker 1:And here's the thing One thing that lowers crime is creating taxpayers Totally. If you can turn a criminal into a taxpayer, I can call that a success, because once you go, it's such a simple solution.
Speaker 1:Once you go from taking from the system to freaking, putting into the system to help others, then you view it in a different format Totally. You view freaking programs and things as necessary, whereas before they were just a thing for you to take from and just laugh. But when you start giving back to those programs, then it becomes more important to you that those programs succeed and that they're, that they're there and available, because one one game that the government plays is and it's ridiculous, I experience this because I'm a veteran and don't get me wrong the government plays this game of find the benefit or the program. There's a shit ton of programs and benefits out there, but you literally gotta fucking get down in there and, freaking, dig through the fucking minutia and find the program or the benefit. Once you find it, it's totally easy. But you gotta find it and it's buried in so much bullshit and bureaucracy. You ready to close this down? Well, yeah, sure.
Speaker 2:I did want to say one more thing back to my Republican uncle. He had, um, okay, the thing about immigration. I never finished that. He had posted something that said if I invite somebody to my house, that's one thing, but somebody breaking in the back window is lucky they don't meet the end of my gun and that was his stance on immigration. I'm like okay, that's a logic I can get around. I understand your analogy. Okay, I understand what you're saying and that made me understand him better.
Speaker 1:He doesn't want to actively freaking, you know, hurt people? No, but he just doesn't want anybody.
Speaker 2:In his house without being invited.
Speaker 1:Exactly Because this is his shit.
Speaker 2:So back to him on the like food stamps and stuff and getting help through the programs and benefits that you can find through the government and the systems and everything. Um, he had posted something one day and this just really like broke my heart. But I used it as an opportunity to educate him because he had posted um about people on food stamps being lazy and I was just like all right, here's the thing. I am the farthest thing from lazy. I raise children by myself, I work two jobs, I bust my ass and I still qualify for food stamps. This is a broken system. It needs to be better. Everything, it needs to be better. Everything just needs to be better.
Speaker 1:But you also have to remember, you gotta remember women live longer than men. Why? Because they're smarter and they freaking do smart things.
Speaker 2:Which is why I was hoping for a female president.
Speaker 1:There's a bunch of dudes. Hey, you guys are 0 and 2. I'm not kidding, there's for every hardworking single mom that's out there doing her thing. There's like four or five dudes out there drinking Mountain Dew, playing video games, talking about Dude.
Speaker 2:I can coast this out for another five weeks on this unemployment until I can transfer my shit over to another program yeah, I know there are people that abuse the system, but I also know how the system I mean, like for unemployment, for example, you have to report the job hunts you did that week in order to get your unemployment. You know, for food stamps, like they want you to actively be looking for work. They, you know there's a work source program that tries to get you into the job market so you're less reliant on food stamps. I mean, there are now things that you have to do in order to get these benefits.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not like back in the day when I had to do some unemployment and dude, I just fucking call in once a week. They're like hey, did you look for a job? I'm like hells yeah. And they're like all right, thank you, sir.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a little bit more complicated, but I was only getting like $200 a week.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? They're fucking. Some of these motherfuckers are banking mad cash on the freaking unemployment per week. If I was getting that much of an unemployment, there's no way in hell I'd be looking for a job.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no, my boss is actually. They're planning on retiring in two and a half years. They're married, so they're going to retire at the same time.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's going to suck.
Speaker 2:And you know, like there's recently been chat about like well, what do you want to do when we retire? That's, if you want to go to school, we'll you for some college courses and everything. And I actually suggested that I take Spanish.
Speaker 1:I'm not even joking can you see those two together all day, with no work to do, at the same location, just hanging out? It'll be real fun for them they're going to have so much fun. They love each other.
Speaker 2:A whole lot, but on that note, I think we're going to have so much fun they do. They love each other a whole lot, but on that note. I think we're going to wrap up today's episode and, you know, feel free to leave comments or concerns, because I know we're mental.
Speaker 1:If you heard anything in this episode that you disagree with or have something to say about, please leave it in the comments so we can read it and address it on the next episode have a good night.
