Practicing Time Liberation with Becca Rich

What if time doesn’t need to be managed, but liberated?

In this episode of The Empowered and Embodied Show, Kim and Louise are joined by holistic time coach Becca Rich for a soul-stretching conversation about how we relate to time, and how that relationship is shaped by hustle culture, systemic oppression, and internalized shame.

Together, we explore what it means to practice time liberation by listening to your unique rhythms, breaking free from toxic productivity patterns, and redefining what it means to spend your time well. If you’ve ever felt like you’re always behind, never doing enough, or stuck in someone else’s schedule… this one’s for you.

Inside this episode:

• The truth about time shame and the myth of “falling behind”
• Why “time management” often reinforces systems of oppression
• How rest, rhythm, and community reclaim your agency
• The role of presence, pleasure, and purpose in bending time
• Simple, embodied ways to shift how you experience your days

Key Moments/Chapters

00:00 – Welcomes and introductions

02:28 – What is a relationship with time?

04:24 – How systems of oppression shape our time

08:42 – Time scarcity and community solutions

10:17 – Making time liberation accessible

13:13 – Listening to your body’s rhythms

15:30 – Deconditioning from hustle culture

18:46 – Time liberation as reclaiming agency

22:58 – Time shame and the myth of sameness

25:04 – Redefining productivity

31:14 – From burnout to body-led time

37:54 – Time expansion and bending time

40:30 – There is no behind

48:18 – Closing thoughts and gratitude

About Our Guest:

Becca Rich is a holistic time coach, hypnotist, and founder of multiple soul-aligned businesses supporting neurodivergent, sensitive, and spiritually curious humans. She’s here to help you reclaim your time, your energy, and your wholeness.

Find Becca at: https://www.theholistictimecoach.com/

Connect on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/beccacrich/

Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theholistictimecoach/

Listen to Becca’s podcast: Not Too Productive

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Transcript

Empowered and Embodied Show

Episode 169

Title: Practicing Time Liberation with Becca Rich

Hosts: Kim Romain & Louise Neil

Guest: Becca Rich

Kim Romain (00:31) Hi there, welcome to the Empowered and Embodied show. I'm Kim Romain.

Louise (00:35) And I'm Louise Neil.

Kim Romain (00:37) We're two transformational coaches who are also fellow travelers on the path of growth and self-discovery. And we're inviting you along for the ride. That's right. We're right here in the trenches with you navigating the ups and downs of life. And each week we'll be sharing our own experiences, bringing you conversations with amazing guests, and exploring insights and strategies that have helped us find more clarity, confidence and ease in our lives. And trust us, we do not have it all figured out. We're learning and growing right alongside you. So if you're ready to rise above the chaos, doubt and confusion that sometimes life throws our way and step into a more empowered and embodied version of yourself, then you're in the right place. Let's get started.

Kim Romain (01:38) Hello, hello, hello, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Empowered and Embodied show. I am one of your co-hosts as always, Kim Romain, joined by my other co-host.

Louise (01:49) That's me, I'm Louise. I'm the other co-host. And here too, we have a guest.

Becca Rich (01:54) Yay! It's Becca! Hi, I'm Becca. Nice to meet you.

Kim Romain (02:00) We are so, so glad that you're here. I'm going to let the world know a little bit about you and then we'll dive into our juicy, juicy conversation today. So Becca Rich is the holistic time coach. That's it. That's all I have to say about her. I just love the title so much. Like that's all you need to know. Holistic time coach for creative, sensitive, neurodivergent and spiritual humans who are unlearning...

Louise (02:16) You.

Kim Romain (02:28) ...who are unlearning hustle culture and learning to honor their own rhythms. She helps people untangle their relationship with time planning and follow through, not to do more, but to do what matters most with gentleness and integrity. Becca, one, so glad that you're here. And two, I have my own definition, but I would love to hear from you. Like what the fuck is a relationship with time?

Becca Rich (02:54) Yeah, it's our connection to it. It's like a relationship with money or a relationship with a person. Like we have thoughts, we have feelings, we behave in certain ways around it. And so yeah, it's how you interact with this thing that, you know, society has our own definition and each culture around the world has their own definition and our bodies have their own definition and like how do we reconcile all of these things.

Kim Romain (03:25) That sounds complicated.

Louise (03:26) You.

Becca Rich (03:28) It can be, yeah. I think that's why so many people struggle with time, right? Like there's a whole capitalist version of time of like I have to hustle, I have to like pay my bills, I have to be really productive, and that's usually what we're brought up around, right? And then different countries around the world I've been traveling for the last five years like we talked about in every country I've been to, like the general vibe is different. I remember my first time I went to Italy and like people didn't have their phones or a laptop at a cafe and they would just sit there for three hours just like reading and journaling and looking around and doing nothing. And I was like, we would never do this in the U.S. Like what is happening? And I think it's really cool that we get to approach this kind of like invisible but very impactful force...

Louise (04:10) Hehehehehe.

Becca Rich (04:24) ...on our life in a holistic way, like with all of these different lenses.

Kim Romain (04:28) As you're saying that I'm thinking, yeah, relationship is absolutely the right word. Because when we think about any type of relationship we have with other humans, so when we think about relationships, first and foremost, I think most people would think about relationships with other humans. And I don't know about the two of you, but I have never had a relationship in my entire life that was always easy. There's always been some complexity that comes in with that relationship.

Becca Rich (04:57) Yep. And we're humans. We're constantly changing. As like beings are complicated. So of course like relationships with others get complicated and our relationships to time as viewed usually through systems of oppression that we live under, of course it's complicated. I think like there's ways to boil it down to make it really simple, right? In a relationship with a human being, it's like, just show up as close to your truth and communicate the best that you can and, you know, whatever happens, whatever happens. And we do our best for each other. And I think the same goes for time. Like you just identify how you really want to spend your time and do your best to do that. You don't have to be perfect.

Kim Romain (05:49) So interesting. So you use the word oppression in there. And so, right, and I know we're going to get into the juicy details of like how you describe time liberation later. How do these systems of oppression keep us connected with any relationships that we have? Like, what are our thoughts on that?

Becca Rich (06:10) Yeah, I think it is a million different things, to be honest with you. In a relationship, like in the context sort of, guess, maybe with time as well, like my partner, you know, you're in a relationship with a partner, for me, romantic, but it can go still for business partner, it can go for friendships, like quality time is a core essence, a core piece of a relationship, right? And so like when we're super busy and overwhelmed and not present in our lives and just like really stressed about time and never feel like we never have enough money and time and resources, like all of that comes together. Usually it's because of the systems that we live in, right? Capitalism is like a whole economic system built on exploitation, like we're being constantly exploited and we have to like fight for our time back from it, right? So that's just one thing. I think ableism is a really another great example in relationships. Like we, there's norms about what you can and can't do and your body's functions, your mind's functions. And there's a typical, right? Neuro-typical or or able-bodied and when we aren't in the nowhere quote unquote like it affects people, affects our work, it affects our time, it affects all these things and I mean I could keep going forever and ever but I'd love to open it up. What do y'all think?

Louise (07:52) Just this idea that there's like this one way to have this relationship, right, or any relationship, I think is so limiting, yet so pervasive in everything that we do, right, that there's a very linear approach to time, and that we exchange it constantly. We either we don't have enough or we need more or like there's this this whole thing that we get into around time and when I think about it as you were talking Becca it was like I think I was taught that there was only one way to look at time right like there's only like that way and of course and it becomes like the air that we breathe because we are all brought up thinking that there is this one way to have this relationship with time. And so then when it doesn't work for us, then it starts to feel really like it's a me problem, not a relationship problem.

Becca Rich (09:05) Yeah, it goes both ways for sure. Like I think one of the ways that I love talking about time is like time shapes us, right? Time shapes the earth. I have studied engineering and geology and so like I was so into time in rocks and now I'm in like, you know, I've done ancestral work and there's ancestral time that we can connect in and doing the things that my ancestors did really expands my time in so many ways. I feel so at home within myself and that makes me feel like I have so much more energy and time and spaciousness in my life. And being in other countries that aren't so hustle focused is another way that I've really, like my environment, we can change our environment. There's so many things that we can do to create more spaciousness within our relationship with time and even nature. Like nature is a huge beautiful evidence in front of us all day every day of like how cyclical time is and our bot like everything. I just I love it.

Kim Romain (10:17) So I want to, I want to talk a little bit about, cause there's a lot of privilege in that, right? I'm hearing and like beautiful. Absolutely. I get it. And I'm thinking about those people who are like, well, I can't go live in a different country. Well, I don't have access to, you know, nature. Don't have whatever it is. It's the, that feeling and the more constricted people feel. And I know that. A lot of people that we're all working with right now are feeling a lot of constriction in the world right now. Lots of different countries, particularly in North America though. So what do we do or how do we look at this through that lens of, but it is accessible to everyone.

Becca Rich (11:03) Yeah, I mean, one of the things that I love to say is like traditional time management, harmful productivity myths are like everyone has the same 24 hours. And I hate that it's rooted in a lack of understanding of systemic inequality. So like when we, yeah, like no matter what system of oppression you're impacted by that decreases your access to time, like in a tangible everyday way. And also there's this other way that we can think about time and sort of like, again, like kind of get out of the linear sort of capitalist clock that we're so used to of like past, present, future, very structured hour by hour, minute by minute, and like start to play around with it and. It depends on where someone is, right? Like in their relationship with money, time, their work, the people in their world. And so one of the beautiful things that I love to talk about is communal time. And so being in touch with your community is one of the fastest ways to get your time back. Like shared babysitting, mutual aid, like all of these really tangible things can help someone who is more in this constricted scarcity place immediately get their time back. And a great thing, I saw an example recently of someone that I'm friends with on Facebook that was just like, hey, I really wanna do, I think it was like salsa class. I really wanna do salsa class, but I need a babysitter. I can't afford one right now. Does anyone want to babysit and exchange for a babysitting? I'll be like. They were trying to set up this exchange of time and family, communal, whatever, relationship. And it was such a great example because we can support one another in so many ways that our creative minds just need to be asked. And then it will come up with a million different ways to free up time and resources and get out of this constricted place. That's one way.

Kim Romain (13:24) And I feel like that you touched on something so important there is this idea that time and finding time, managing time, first of all, I don't love time management because, yeah, it's term managing. It's just like managing our emotions too. Stop saying that, please. Don't. But that place is so tied to so many other relationships in our life. It's our relationship to money, it's relationship to other people, it's relationships to our community, to the collective. Because we can't disconnect ourselves truly from time, time is just happening. Time is a thing and it's just happening. And we can't disconnect ourselves from it, but at that place of how deeply connected it is, The term I would use here would be to decondition that relationship from the norms that we have. So if I'm sitting here going, OK, I run a business. I have meetings. I have times that I meet with people. I have a schedule that they can get into. What types of shifts are available to me when I'm sitting here just trying to figure out how to plan my day?

Becca Rich (14:48) Yeah. I mean, there's so many things available to us and it's about one, figuring out like what doesn't feel right? What doesn't, what still feels tight or overwhelming or like anxious or scarce? And that's usually like the wisdom. That's the kernel that I always go to when I'm working with somebody. But, you know, for the sake of this, one of the quickest ways that as an individual to start experiencing more time liberation is listening to your rhythms, like really, really, really becoming aware of your cycles, your energy, your needs, your body, like all of the rhythms that you have. Like I think that our bodies are our own clock. And so when you plan your day, the closer you get to... You know, you can be strategic. I'm an engineer and project manager. So like my brain loves this stuff. You can get really strategic with pairing tasks with specific energy and needs and your cycle. And just doing that expands so, so, so much of our time. Our nervous systems love it, right? And instead of like approaching it, your day as like this linear, rigid thing. Like you have to make sure everything goes perfectly. Another way of liberating your time is being flexible and adapting and putting your body first over the calendar. I think that's a really common thing that people experience is because we're so used to systems and people and jobs telling us how to spend our time, especially when we become self-employed. If you are, that's a whole deconditioning process and healing of. flexing your agency and your power and your choice and like really being aware of your rhythms and matching specific things with them and then keep matching it, keep flowing. It doesn't end there. Like it's not like a secret thing that you finally land on. Like it is constantly changing. And so learning how to adapt and listen to your body first is key.

Louise (17:05) You know, as you're talking, I'm reminded of when I made the switch from corporate to entrepreneurship, I had a lot of that conditioning that came with me that I didn't know. And there was a lot of that I must be at my desk by 8.30 and I must work until 4.30 or I'm not building a business or I'm not, right? Contributing to that is very structured because I was in corporate for decades. That was just like this pattern that I had. You show up at work for 830 and you work and sure, you take some breaks and do some things. Hopefully, you're moving your body. There was this container that was productive. For me to kind of dismantle that and say, it's not about the time that I spend at my desk or the time that I work on a task. It's about the thing that I'm doing. It's about actually like getting stuff done. And sometimes it's 10 minutes or 15 minutes, not an hour. Yet there was such a huge shift for me to have to unhook from that habit, right? And I didn't even recognize it until I was well into my business and I'm starting to burn out again going like, what the fuck is going on? I left my corporate job only to be chained to my desk in a different room in my house.

Becca Rich (18:46) Yeah, and then on top of all of that, the pressure of meeting your needs financially, on top of, at least at our corporate jobs, we're getting a paycheck. So there's even more pressure to perform and produce. I think that it's so common, so pervasive, and there's still like...

Louise (18:56) Yeah. Yeah.

Becca Rich (19:12) I think one of the ways that I love to talk about time liberation is freeing our minds from the oppressor, like the linear clock of society. We constantly have this like inner voice telling us that we have to do certain things at certain times, like you're supposed to eat breakfast at this time and dinner at this time and lunch at this time and work for these periods. That's just all conditioning. Like literally, if you actually pause and follow your body and your nervous system and your emotions and your thoughts, like when you really tap in and approach your time in this really self-aware way, we just, again, like just expand so much.

Kim Romain (20:00) Well, and I think the liberation comes in when we honor it, how we can honor it. Right. So I know. Not for me anymore, but I know for several of my clients, there is, they are designed to be very productive individuals and they actually thrive off of it. Right. That, and I don't mean thrive in terms of the societal norm of what thriving or success looks like. I mean, it is, it is what they are here to be. They are here to be doing. And that doing can look different. And that's part of, I know what I talk about with them is, okay, but how are you defining productivity? Cause does productivity have to be you are doing something for somebody else or you're doing something for your business, you're doing, what is productive and how does, how does productivity look like? Is it productive to take a nap in the middle of the day because your body is tired? Yeah, it is. And we also, right. I think that that. that work, because I love the word liberation. And I think that it gets, and you tell me what you think as well, Becca, since I know it's a term you use. I think it gets misused to think again, it all has to look the same. Like we all liberate in the same way.

Becca Rich (21:24) There's an infinite number of tweaks that someone could make to their relationship with time to make it feel empowering, to feel embodied within their relationship with time, to feel like they have enough time. And I've never in my five years of working with folks around it, like, I don't think that anyone has come up with the exact same thing that they needed to do, change that they needed to make to feel even more liberated, even... you know, more abundant or joyful or present or calm or easeful, whatever they love, they want more of in their world. It does not look the same at all, right? And it can't even just the one example that I gave with your rhythms, like no one person has the same rhythm and you don't even have the same rhythm throughout the cycle of your own life. Like our rhythms change based on our age, based on how we slept, based on health conditions, based on so many factors. And again, like just the simple solution of always coming back to yourself and becoming as aware of yourself as you can. That's what the starting point.

Louise (22:39) Yeah, I work with folks who are going through menopause and going through that transition. That's a huge piece of that transition into this next chapter of our lives is like, but I don't operate like I used to.

Becca Rich (22:58) Yep, time shame.

Louise (23:01) Yeah, ooh time shame.

Becca Rich (23:04) Yup, time shame. It's again like that inner voice that is shaming us for not operating at the same rate or sameness, whatever. Again, time assumes linearness, sameness between all of us and within ourselves. Yeah, focus changes at menopause, attention, you know this, like everything, so many things change and unshaming the change is something that I've helped lots of people do actually.

Kim Romain (23:36) Shame is such an interesting thing because I don't think any of us, the people in my world I'm going to speak to, I don't think any of us intentionally ever want to shame anybody. And yet there is so much shaming that goes on unintentionally, unintentionally when we even just ask somebody, like, what have you been working on? What are you doing? How is your day? Are we actually asking how was your day? How energetically was your day? How emotionally satisfying was your day or not? And if we don't have a, I mean, I think about when I was, this was the first time that I was really, really aware of it. When I was at the Montessori school, was really early on in my time there. Was probably early 20, is was born in 2010. Early 2011. And I remember hearing the teachers say to each other, like, how are you doing? And they'd be like, feeling a little depleted and feeling like, okay, I can, I can get through this next cycle. But right. But the. classes were taught in cycles. They're taught in three-hour cycles, working based on, you know, during this work period, what are we gonna do and how do we take care of our bodies, both those that are teaching and those who are facilitating, those that are learning, all of it. It was the first time I was really aware that when people ask you, how are you doing, you can say something other than fine. Right. When people say, right, what do you have going on? You don't have to give them the list of your schedule.

Becca Rich (25:28) Right, yeah. Everyone, like it's so common to be like, how's your day? And be like, good, for me I garden and then I'm gonna like do a podcast and like help out the friend at their book shop and like we tell people how we spend our time. And then we're internally measuring it.

Kim Romain (25:47) Cause we're spending it, it's currency. That's how we're treating it.

Becca Rich (25:50) Yeah.

Becca Rich (25:52) Yeah. And, you know, I remember growing up and my mom would always say like, I didn't do anything today. I didn't do anything this weekend or whatever, you know, whatever day. And I always was like, what are you talking about? We went to the grocery store, we cleaned the whole house, we watched TV, we showered, we made food. Like I was like, we did all of this stuff, but we did nothing.

Kim Romain (26:19) There's so little awareness of what our lives are filled with.

Becca Rich (26:25) Yeah.

Kim Romain (26:26) How full our lives are. We may not love what's going on, but there is fullness in there. Even when there's nothing happening, as you said, there is still so much fullness available to us.

Becca Rich (26:42) Yeah. And now, like you said, what does productivity even mean? Because when we say I did nothing, that's because you're not thinking that it's productive. But to me, my definition of productivity is anything that's important or important to me or I need. So like anything that is important to me is productive. Like cleaning the house, going to the grocery store is productive as hell. So like reframing that was a big part of my healing around time is acknowledging it, acknowledging myself. And now like it's so common in my everyday experience and it's sort of a gratitude practice. I have a weird relationship with like gratitude practice, cause it can really easily turn into like another thing that you have to do, right? So. Yeah, like being able to acknowledge how I spent the day and like what I did and experienced and learned and accomplished like all of it. I take into account all of that, not just the items that people, others would classify as productive.

Kim Romain (27:55) So there are two things that are coming through. One is Louise and I had a conversation recently about, do we have to be, like, do we always have to be growing? I think that was the question that we were kind of wrestling with is do we always have to be growing, right? And then the second thing is I want to know, and I know this is not traditionally like Louise and I interviewing you, but like, I want to know your time story.

Becca Rich (28:05) Mm. Nope.

Kim Romain (28:21) I want to know what got you to this place of, I need to heal my relationship with time, if you feel like sharing that.

Becca Rich (28:28) Yeah. And yeah, no, I think constant growth is unnatural. I work on a farm, I garden. The more in touch that we are with nature and natural cycles, like, we can come to know that constant growth is toxic. So that's my thought on that. It's just bad for the soil. It's bad for everyone involved.

Louise (28:49) Mm.

Becca Rich (28:59) But yeah, my time story, my, like to go back ancestral because again, I bring up ancestral times. Like my grandpa immigrated to the U S and my grandma did as well. And they met, and you know, hustled their booties off and were typical boomers sort of like. Leaving their kids alone. And then my dad became an entrepreneur, business owner, and same thing, like replicated that ancestral harm, generational harm of like workaholism and in my family addiction as well was paired with all of that. And so I grew up very much like measuring my worth by how much I got done. My mama as well was in the medical field and her dad was an entrepreneur still. Still was until recently. And yeah, like just very much grew up with like entrepreneurs working more than they needed to from a false scarcity place. I think early on in both my grandpa and my dad's business, both people. You know, it's an early business. And so with because of capitalism tying money and time, like they were just working a ton and then they never stopped their the rest of their life. And so like, I, I still see my dad, who's now sort of retired, he can't sit still. He can't rest, he can't. And that's so common for everybody, but like specifically my family. And so that's what I took from them, my my teachers, my conditioners. And became an engineer. And when I was becoming an engineer, had a total breakdown, like went to the hospital with an intestine infection from like overworking and over partying basically in college and still continued in that same vein. But trying to take better care of myself and I went to like yoga and meditation and I was like, this shit is dumb. Also, sorry if I can't cuss.

Louise (31:13) You.

Becca Rich (31:14) But yeah, like I was just like, what is breathing? Like what is slowing down? I don't want to do any of this. It's horrible. And eventually I fell in love with it. Thank God. And became a yoga teacher. And so was I was an engineer and a yoga teacher at the same time. And I also followed in my grandparents footsteps of working for the federal government. And as for as an engineer, and I did that for like four years while realizing that I didn't want to be in that industry. I didn't want to be chained to desk 40 hours a week and working for at that time the Trump administration came into office a year into working there. And so I was just like, what am I doing with my life? Like it's blah. So yeah, I think throughout that period of time was a lot of, you know, balancing and navigating and doing this work of trying to figure out what I wanted to do with my life, how I wanted to spend my day, what was getting in the way of that, most of it for me, because of so many privileges that I have, I was able to heal a lot of the internal narratives that were there. You know, just small moments, like I would come home and my husband would be like, playing video games on the couch and I would get so angry. I used to get like so pissed off that he'd be able to like rest and take like take a break and do nothing quote unquote, right? So yeah, just like small moments over the last 13 years, I've been conscious of my relationship with time and now I'm doing hypnosis. I've been a hypnotist for the last eight-ish, nine-ish months, and now I get to play with people doing past life regressions and do a lot of cool, unconscious time traveling. And I think that there's, like I said, ancestral time healing, being at this farm and being with my aunt and uncle and really learning the land. The cycles of nature here and how that connects me to my ancestors. Yeah, like I could probably keep going forever, but that's what's coming up for me now.

Louise (33:48) It's, you know, we carry so much with us and that story that you're talking about and and how we see others spend time, right, especially in our family and how they value time and what does that feel like, look like, and sound like and before you know it we're right talking that talk, feeling those feels without even really thinking about it. It's been so. So interesting. Like this whole conversation has been like that word relationship, right? And it's like, fuck, why didn't I think of that before? Like, I know we have a relationship with money, right? Like we can, I can, I can do some money work around like, what's this relationship and how that is. I can do some great, I can have some great conversations with my clients about their relationship with work. Right? And how that is absolutely a relationship, right? We think work brings something to us or when we're in a toxic relationship, all that. I never, ever thought about time in that way, ever. And I'm like, what is my relationship with time? And what am I relying on time to bring me?

Becca Rich (35:09) Yeah. Yeah, that's beautiful. And I, that's why I love having conversations because it's such like an intimate, invisible thing that we don't give it enough attention at all. We don't give time enough time.

Louise (35:24) Yeah.

Kim Romain (35:26) We don't give time enough time, right? We take time for granted.

Louise (35:34) We abuse it.

Becca Rich (35:34) We do.

Kim Romain (35:35) My God, do we abuse it? Yeah.

Becca Rich (35:37) We abuse the shit out of our time. We are so mean to ourselves through how we spend our time.

Kim Romain (35:40) Yeah.

Louise (35:40) Mm-hmm.

Becca Rich (35:46) Like, I should have gotten more done. I'm so bad at time. This thing took me so long. I wasted the whole day. Like, I could keep going on for hours and hours about the stories and things that we tell ourselves using time as the vehicle.

Kim Romain (36:02) The number of 30 somethings that 30 somethings. So Louise and I are in our fifties, the number of 30 somethings that I'm hearing that are saying I've wasted my life. I'm like, dude, you have no idea how much time you have. Please don't think like I'm 55. I have not wasted my life. I've changed careers multiple times. I've had, I'm on my second and last mayor. Like he.

Louise (36:14) You.

Becca Rich (36:22) Yeah.

Kim Romain (36:30) Last being, I love him, I'm keeping him, but like, I'm not sending him getting married again. I never know how to say that.

Louise (36:30) You. I'm never doing this again. That's really what I heard.

Kim Romain (36:36) But right, like I've done things,

Becca Rich (36:40) Yeah.

Kim Romain (36:41) It's, it's, it is so interesting because we get to these milestones in our life and we feel like we've wasted it. So we spend time, we waste time, we fritter time, we abuse time, we have time shame. The fuck? Like, can we have some time love?

Becca Rich (37:02) It's... yeah. Time embodiment, time liberation, time expansion.

Kim Romain (37:05) And time compassion? Yeah. Ooh, let's talk time expansion.

Becca Rich (37:15) There's so many things that we could do to expand our time we don't even know.

Kim Romain (37:20) Well, I think of, had, worked with this shaman once and it was a me, like, can't explain a hundred percent what I experienced, but what I experienced was jumping time. I don't know if it was timelines or whatever it was, but it was like, I, I was in multiple, I was experiencing time from multiple lenses almost. And. Yeah, that was a moment where I went, we can play with it.

Becca Rich (37:54) It's malleable. It's malleable as fuck.

Kim Romain (37:55) Which does, that doesn't connect with like, Louise, like you can bend time.

Becca Rich (38:03) Oh yeah, you can bend time like, like we're constantly already bending time. Like both of you are actively bending your time all of the time. For example, this conversation, it's been, I don't know, it's 12 48 my time, but like, because it's been 38 minutes and depending on who you are and what you value and your energetic state right now, that might've not, that...

Kim Romain (38:20) It's been 38 minutes.

Becca Rich (38:33) Maybe that's felt like 10 minutes or five minutes or five hours. Like our emotional and mental state is like one of the quickest ways that we can bend time.

Louise (38:43) Yeah, and understanding that and being present, right, in this moment and not worrying about what's past or what is yet to be.

Becca Rich (38:56) Yep, presence is one of the greatest ways to bend time.

Louise (39:00) Yeah.

Becca Rich (39:01) Yeah, I love connecting things that people do back to their core values because that's a conscious way to bend time as well. An example that I love bringing up is like, have a client who's self-employed and hates emailing people, like hates the admin work. And the moment that we were like, that's just actually relationship building and responding to humans and talking to humans.

Louise (39:02) Yeah.

Becca Rich (39:31) They've been on top of their email and responding to people, I'm gonna say in a timely manner, what the fuck is even that? Is like no problem. Just the moment that they bring it back to their core values, it solves any of the resistance to doing a thing.

Kim Romain (39:53) So we use the word presence. There's a little bit around consciousness here that I don't think we've talked like that place of higher consciousness, awareness, right? All those words that we kind of bat around. I'd love to know as we're kind of coming to the end of our time together, although I would love to continue bending time and continue this conversation for so much longer, what are some of the things that we want to make sure our listeners are gleaning from this conversation and being able to take with them.

Becca Rich (40:30) Yeah. You know, I think like we feel so unknowingly stuck when it comes to time. Like we think we have to do it one way. We think we have to... live our lives in this one way, even we're talking about milestones, like you have a baby, you go to college, you, I did that backwards maybe, but like, like there's like a set milestone in our life that we have to follow or feel like we have to follow, like we've been conditioned to believe so much about our life and how we spend it and there's so much more expansion and liberation and possibility available to all of us. Like no matter your brain, no matter your circumstances, your economic status, your body, like anything, there's ways, there's millions of ways to feel fulfilled, to feel at ease, to feel like you're living true. Yourself and I think the most beautiful thing that I love to come back to for sure is like a world where people feel whole and alive and fulfilled and rested is a better world. Like it's not just about us.

Louise (41:56) The end.

Becca Rich (41:57) Period.

Kim Romain (41:57) I'm saying that was beautiful.

Louise (42:01) From the beginning, that was beautiful. Taking the time to really, like I'm still, my brain is just really unpacking this whole like, what is my relationship with time? It's, I know we talked about like time liberation, right? Like, and feeling like this freedom, but I think it's even more than just like, right, like throwing your, right, your schedule out the window. This is like truly, how are we, or how am I, I'm gonna speak for the rest of the world, but I could. How am I really, what are my demands and what is that relationship with time? Like, what am I really asking? Asking it to do for me, that I'm giving my power away in that space. And that's, I don't have an answer, but like, man, Becca, like you have planted a seed. There's some gardening going on. You've planted a seed because it's like, there's something here that really I want to examine and unpack a little bit because I'm not. Yeah, I'm not happy with my relationship currently with time. We're gonna have a talk.

Becca Rich (43:34) Yes. Yeah. And you know, just...

Louise (43:36) Yeah.

Kim Romain (43:36) May not need to break up.

Louise (43:38) We might, yeah, it might not be a breakup, but it's definitely a conversation we're gonna have.

Becca Rich (43:44) You can't break up with it. You're stuck with it. Because it's you. It's your life.

Louise (43:46) Hahaha!

Kim Romain (43:49) Yeah.

Louise (43:51) That was great.

Kim Romain (43:53) Yeah, that, and, and for me, that's the, the core thing is that no matter what other relationships we have with money, with people, with work, with whatever, with food, our relationship with time has to be figured out.

Becca Rich (44:10) It's central.

Kim Romain (44:11) It is absolutely central. Yeah. Because if.

Becca Rich (44:13) Yeah. It's like the little foundation that spreads out into all of these areas. We can't show up for our work, our relationships, our money, our body, our anything without time. Time is the medium.

Kim Romain (44:33) I think you just put her into hot flash.

Becca Rich (44:33) Louise?

Louise (44:34) You.

Becca Rich (44:38) No, but something that I've been wanting to put together is sort of like a relationship with Time Audit. So I think this conversation may spur that and I will include that as send it to you as a link for people to help sort of, you know, get their bearings on all of this.

Louise (44:39) Ugh.

Kim Romain (45:02) That'd be great. Yeah. I've done, I've done a couple of time audits with people, not just like, let's look at your time, but this relationship with time audit. And it is when you have that moment that Louise just had, which I bet you get all the time of that, like, wait, what? And I get to choose. I get to like, understand this on a deeper level. It's... It is, the work you are doing is powerful. It is powerful. Yeah. Thank you.

Louise (45:02) Yes, please. I love that.

Becca Rich (45:36) Thanks. Yeah. And thank you. And I just want to add, like, there's no behind. Like, there's no behind on your relationship with time at all, ever, for anyone. Like, I'm constantly tweaking and updating my relationship with time. Like I said, we're constantly changing as human beings. And so there's no end destination. There's nothing to figure out. It's literally just an evolving relationship. Yeah, we get to bring all of these like self-awareness and loving tools and then it's just like this like cool download connection to time. We already have a lot of the tools, we just have to connect it to time.

Kim Romain (46:21) You're not late.

Becca Rich (46:22) It's not real.

Kim Romain (46:24) Woo, late's not real, ooh. Don't tell my mom, she's literally late to everything.

Becca Rich (46:30) Good, she should be, because she's on her own timeline. That's her clock.

Kim Romain (46:35) Actually, it doesn't bother me, but what bothers me is that everybody wants me to answer, like, where she is and why she's late. I'm like, I don't fucking know, she's a grown ass woman.

Becca Rich (46:44) You just need like the find my friends. You guys don't need to share locations.

Kim Romain (46:48) Exactly. I'm like, there she is. I don't know. Deal with it.

Becca Rich (46:51) So good.

Louise (46:56) I love it. Thanks, Becca. Where can folks connect with you besides the link in our show notes? Where are you at?

Becca Rich (47:05) The links are the show notes. Instagram, LinkedIn, my website. Yeah, and I'll add the link to the relationship, time relationship loving audit.

Louise (47:07) Hahaha.

Kim Romain (47:13) And. Do you have a podcast?

Becca Rich (47:23) Oh yeah, that, that too. I have a podcast called not too productive. I I'm in too many places. Y'all I, I have a project management and like an anti-capitalist project management agency. I have my hypnotist coaching business, and then I also certify coaches and facilitators in holistic time practitioner. If they want to be able to better support their clients around time. So I got like lots of. projects and I love them all.

Kim Romain (47:54) Okay, gotta know, do you know your human design?

Becca Rich (47:57) I'm a manifesting generator, of course.

Kim Romain (47:58) That's what I thought. There's nobody that has that many businesses that's not a manager.

Becca Rich (48:07) I'm a managin through and through, and I'm a farmer and, you know, pick up some shifts at the little organic veggie shop up the street. Like, I have a full life. Yeah, like I feel so fulfilled. Yeah.

Kim Romain (48:18) Mani Gen Heaven. Love it. Beautiful. Thank you again so, so much for being here. It has been just a pleasure to unpack the concept around our relationship with time, but also to really start to embody and let into our bodies that place of time liberation. So thank you again, Becca, for being here.

Becca Rich (48:43) Thank you, both.

Louise (48:44) Of it. Thank you for your time, Becca and Kim and dear listener. We're really glad you were here. Take care, everyone.

Kim Romain (48:51) Bye for now.

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