{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":0.078,"endTime":4.022,"body":"Four wheels move the body,"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":0.078,"endTime":4.022,"body":"two wheels move the soul. But"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":4.022,"endTime":6.402,"body":"does it matter what kind of two"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":4.022,"endTime":6.402,"body":"wheels you ride?"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":16.379,"endTime":19.089,"body":"Welcome to the Throttle and"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":16.379,"endTime":19.089,"body":"Roast podcast. I'm your host,"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":19.089,"endTime":22.149,"body":"Niels Meersschaert. In today's"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":19.089,"endTime":22.149,"body":"episode, I'll look at four"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":22.149,"endTime":25.509,"body":"different types of two-wheeled"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":22.149,"endTime":25.509,"body":"vehicles that are blurring the"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":25.509,"endTime":29.729,"body":"lines of what we ride. 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So cyclists gonna"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1035.88,"endTime":1038.48,"body":"suddenly wear the same"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1035.88,"endTime":1038.48,"body":"protective gear that we as"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1038.48,"endTime":1041.273,"body":"motorcycles? Are they gonna wear"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1038.48,"endTime":1041.273,"body":"a full bike and a full"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1040.757,"endTime":1044.757,"body":"armor-plated jacket and pants?"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1040.757,"endTime":1044.757,"body":"Are they gonna wear a full big"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1044.757,"endTime":1049.337,"body":"helmet, gloves, et cetera? 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And are they"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1089.538,"endTime":1094.638,"body":"having an impact on regulations"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1089.538,"endTime":1094.638,"body":"about motorcycles as well"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1094.638,"endTime":1098.813,"body":"because that unclear situation"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1094.638,"endTime":1098.813,"body":"is going on? So my question for"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1098.813,"endTime":1102.193,"body":"you this week is, what do you"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1098.813,"endTime":1102.193,"body":"think about e-bikes and e-motos?"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1102.909,"endTime":1106.599,"body":"Are they just another bicycle"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1102.909,"endTime":1106.599,"body":"option? Or are they starting to"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1106.599,"endTime":1109.696,"body":"encroach on motorcycles? Share"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1106.599,"endTime":1109.696,"body":"your thoughts through the text"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1109.696,"endTime":1112.416,"body":"to show link in the show notes"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1109.696,"endTime":1112.416,"body":"or leave a voicemail at"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1112.416,"endTime":1116.236,"body":"throttleandroast.com slash"},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1112.416,"endTime":1116.236,"body":"voicemail. Thanks for listening."},{"speaker":"Niels","startTime":1116.236,"endTime":1117.076,"body":"I'll talk to you next week."}]}