E 45 From Childhood Wounds To Clarity Coaching: How Lance Dewbre Rewires The Unconscious For Lasting Change

What if the voice that holds you back isn’t you at all, but an outdated program running silently in the background? We sit down with Lance Dewbre of Clarity Coaching to unpack how NLP, hypnotherapy, and mental and emotional release help you update that inner operating system so your present self isn’t ruled by a six-year-old’s beliefs.

Lance shares a moving origin story, growing up around spiritual visualization and deep prayer work, then feeling painfully stuck before a jolting “download” steered him to integrative psychology. From there we go straight into the practical: how the unconscious stores automatic patterns, why talk therapy often maintains rather than transforms, and how techniques like timeline work get to the root. The examples are unforgettable—PTSD relief in weeks after resolving an early imprint, generational beliefs that quietly dictate relationships and money decisions, and the single core emotion that can unlock years of self-sabotage.

We map out Lance’s Four Requisites for Change—release, goal setting, action, and focus—and apply them to real life, from entrepreneurship to relationships. Think of untying your boat before rowing, choosing a destination, then powering forward with your eyes on the horizon. You’ll also experience a guided Ho‘oponopono forgiveness process rooted in Hawaiian tradition that helps you cut unhealthy cords and reconnect with more peace, strength, and love. It’s a felt reset you can use whenever resentment or fear starts to stick.

If you’re curious about subconscious reprogramming, NLP coaching, trauma release, or psychosomatic healing, you’ll find clear steps, grounded stories, and tools you can use today. Ready to test it yourself? Book Lance’s free one-hour session through Clarity Coaching Centers and try the four-part change framework with guided support. If this conversation sparked something, follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a quick review—what one belief are you ready to release?

Reach Lance Dewbre at www.claritycoachingcenters.com

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome And Guest Introduction
• 3:05 Lance’s Childhood And Spiritual Roots
• 8:58 Discovering NLP And Integrative Psychology
• 12:48 What NLP Does And Why It Works
• 18:58 Beyond Talk Therapy: Getting To Root Causes
• 24:43 Client Results And Psychosomatic Links
• 29:58 Generational Beliefs And Past-Life Themes
• 36:48 Free Hour Framework And Mini Month Program
• 44:58 Performance Upgrades And Breakthrough Sessions
• 50:53 Four Requisites For Change Explained
• 55:38 Guided Ho‘oponopono Forgiveness Practice

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:31

Hello everyone. Welcome back to Om Shanti Healing's podcast, The Spiritual Connection. Welcome to episode 45. Today I have my guest speaker, Lance Dubris, on from Clarity Coaching. He is an expert at NLP coaching and changing the subconscious mindset to better control and support your life. Thank you, Lance, for being on. How are you this morning?

SPEAKER_03: 0:55

I'm doing fantastic. It's a nice, brisk, chill day here in Colorado. We're happy to be here. Gotta say, I love your horse vine. Yeah, what a beautiful picture. I just noticed.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04

Thank you. Marcia Baldwin has nine of her pieces.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07

I got a lot of heart, I feel like, in that I love her piece.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10

She's amazing. She's out of California.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13

Very nice.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14

Thank you. Yeah, we're waiting for winter, aren't we?

SPEAKER_03: 1:17

Yeah, you know, I can't think if she's coming or going. I don't know. She's gotta be coming. I gotta be.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24

Yeah, it's been oh well today. It's 58 degrees. And uh we're just waiting for snow. We're getting it up top in the mountains, but not not in the valley here.

SPEAKER_03: 1:34

We had it at 15, like a day or two ago. So I'll have like three jackets in my truck if I can go on and off, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:42

Such a Colorado life, right? We have to wear our layers and be prepared for it to be 20 degrees and 60 degrees and then 20 degrees all on the same day.

SPEAKER_02: 1:51

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00: 1:52

Wonderful. Well, I want to talk about today with Lance his business. I know you through the community, through networking. We're friends, and I wanted to have you on to share your clarity coaching work that you do. But before we get into that, I would love to hear some of your backstory. You know, kind of start from childhood as much as you want to share. Like what kind of stuff happened that led you into wanting to do this kind of coaching and therapeutic work for people? Can you just share a little bit about that?

SPEAKER_03: 2:25

I would love to. And thank you so much for having me on me. I'm very excited to be here on the show. I've lost some of your podcasts, it's very good stuff on it. So let's see. Yeah, way back. So, who is this guy, this Clarity Coach guy? So let's go, let's go way back for a second. Um, really back whenever I was a kid, I was actually working with my father. He was known as a Pentecostal preacher, uh deliverance minister, um, a few other names for it. Basically, he was really good at helping people connect to what I'd call your unconscious mind and your source or God, Jesus, like what will you connect with? And he'd bring him back through like a visualization experience where you're like, hey, you know, what would happen if like God came into that room and stuff? And he was pretty connected, so he'd get like kind of places and names, and that was about it. Just enough to kind of guide us to where we needed to go, right? And then he, I would see this as a kid of him working at the house or us being the last people to go in church. Where him and my mom, or maybe a few support people would help someone who had a really hard event go through, support them, pray with them where they started getting this information. Then dad would usually be the end one leading him through something like this. And I remember stories of like, he'd say, Well, you know, let the Lord come into that room and what is he doing for you? I remember stories of like, oh, I see him having this big shield, you know, and protecting me from these arrows. Or I saw he's he's uh emotional, think of them. Think of one there with this, uh I worked with this kid with uh, he had a lot of um stuff with his dad going on, and we basically helped him to release an experience when his dad was, we'll say, uh, very rough, we'll just say. And um I remember he said that he felt like God hugged him and held him and held him in this hug on a couch, and was like, hey, you know, I want you to forgive your dad because, you know, he's human, and like the whole thing is the purpose for that I want is for y'all to be a family and to like connect and stuff. And so just little stories like that, um, you know, just going up through my life and seeing things like that, and really just being interested in this unconscious, conscious. I was really fast, this voice in my head of like, and why is it working against me so much? And how can I have it help me, man? Because man, this this thing's mean to me.

SPEAKER_00: 4:53

So many lessons that just never end, right? Only we can get to the answers.

SPEAKER_03: 5:02

Yeah, I'm learning more and more when you even just say that answers thing. That I've one of my favorite things I've been learning is I think it's more of a like we're like this beautiful light bulb that's just gotten dirty or something, and then we're just learning, you know, we're just learning to wash off or something, you know, more and more. You know, become more of our true selves. I think that we get lost, we become a child and that teenager, we get, you know, all this shame and judgment or whatever, and you have to become this adult. And I think part of it too is kind of coming back, I think of that scripture of like coming back in that childness, likeness of God or something, right? All right, well, anyway, so yeah, so so let's see. Started with seeing that with my father in the work. I uh had always counselors and therapists and coaches. I was into energy healing and um, you know, like Reiki, we got into um maybe even tantric stuff, but my version of that was more of like we'd honestly do something called prayer in a hat, where we'd write someone's name in a hat and toss it, and we'd go around, and there'd be like maybe a dozen of us, and we'd pull out a slip, but you wouldn't look at it, right? And then you would just ask for information on that person. So I just grew up kind of practicing that muscle, if you will.

SPEAKER_00: 6:15

What a great influence. Not often taught by parents, is it?

SPEAKER_03: 6:23

Yeah, I was really lucky to have that support in this way that you know the things I was experiencing or the gifts I was doing and whatnot was was supported, right? It wasn't strange or woo-woo or whatever. Because man, it was too, it was too darn accurate. I mean, I just saw it happen so accurate all the time. And I'd work with people too. I'd put down these ideas or seeing this vision of whatever, and be like, oh my god, man, like that's exactly what I was going through. That's exactly what I was thinking about. Or and sometimes too, I wasn't so literal. I remember one that was like a by, I still can see it, it was a bicycle wheel. And I said, I just see you in the middle of the spoke. I'd never met this guy. And I said, you just got like 50, you know, stinking decisions, man, and you don't know what to pick. And he just looks at me, man, his eyes get all big. He's like, Man, that's so right. Like for him, it was just right, you know. So you you just have, you just trusted, man. You just trusted. So I would love to say that, you know, my whole life was, you know, greater perfect or whatever, but well, no, not true at all. I mean, I definitely had so many issues of growing up in learning disability and being told I was dyslexic, dyscraphia, ADD, ADHD, and you know, really having to feel like you're having to double work for the same result as some other people. And you know, grew up in a family-owned business or three family-owned businesses, ran from home as an only child and grandchild. So lots of lots of conversations, you know, a lot of miscommunications that we learned. And so my parents and I were always open to personal growth and development, right? Grew up listening to Tony Robbins and the firewalk as a kid, you know, and you know, all that stuff. And my dad was into hypnotherapy as a young guy, doing mixing NLP and whatnot. So I'd hear no way he'd do it. And always, I just found it fascinating. But I never thought I could make money with it, and I just knew little sporadic tools. So now, now let's catch up to like basically before COVID, I have to say it was one of the roughest times of my life. I was very sad, very lost. I didn't want to run my dad's Western event business or a store. And uh we'll share this story for another time, but basically, I just had this experience where I just realized, hey dad, you know, I need to let this go. And when I did, I met someone at a boat party in Austin, Texas, where I literally had this incredible pulling to uh go talk to someone where I was introduced into integrative psychology. And I remember she was a she was a doctorate or a master's in something, I think family counseling or something. And she goes, Oh, you need to do this. And I remember this download happened to me, man. And I was like, Oh, this is what I need to do, this is where I need to go. And I was driving back home, I remember going, man, God, what the heck? I was on a boat party, like, not a place you think for spiritual experiences necessarily. You know, I don't know. Austin, Austin's got it special, special places sometimes, man. But I remember driving home and I heard this thing of saying inside of me being like, yeah, Lance, this is really the next step. I was like, wow, and oh man, what took you so long? Like, I'm trying a lot of stuff here, you know, I've been trying a lot of things. And I heard, yeah, Lance, but you never let go what you knew wasn't serving you. I also saved the best for last, so you so you so you knew when you tried everything else when I gave you gold, you knew what it was worth. And now that you let go of what doesn't serve you with your dad's business, I can fully use you. So now I'm giving you the next step. Maybe, Lance, right? You haven't waited on uh I've been waiting on you, you haven't been waiting on me, right?

SPEAKER_00: 10:20

Well, that's great. Like sometimes we get those downloads when we least expect it, right? We have to make room for that kind of stuff to come in.

SPEAKER_01: 10:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 10:28

Yeah, I was I want to say too, I wasn't in a good mood or anything. Like, I was in a bad mood, actually. I was driving there pissed, confused. I mean, yeah, I'm showing the boat. I'm gonna be over there doing whatever, you know. I'm more just like, what am I gonna do next? You know, I'm like, it's a beautiful day, I'm enjoying it, but like, man, you know, I don't, I'm lost. And I just got this crazy intuitive. I mean, it was nuts. I mean, I just like it yanked my body. I remember too, I went, what are you doing? And I heard, I don't know. I mean, oh man, you don't know, and I don't know. Who's running this ship? We're in trouble. Abort. And then I remember, I remember I dropped into my body and I went, Whoa, is this Holy Spirit? Is this is this, is this like an intuitive moment? Like, I remember her and I still laughed because I walked up and I was like, hey, I don't know who you are, but I'm supposed to talk to you. And don't tell me I'm wrong, because I know I felt something, something, it was so weird. It just looked at me and went, I'm so sorry. I don't even know what I'm saying. Oh man, life. Isn't it hilarious?

SPEAKER_00: 11:39

So you seem to have clicked. Tell the listeners what NLP is.

SPEAKER_03: 11:45

So that's where this gets into. So, so whenever um this thing called the integrative psychology board was built through uh the world of alternative medicine, okay. That's where all of this is. And basically, these guys who came from Richard Bandler, which is where NLP was kind of birthed from, he's the original like top hypnotherapist in the world, Virginia Satir, who's the top family counselor in the world. Um, Dr. Matt and his father, who are um, I know Dr. Matt was one of the first guys to ever do a fire walk with Tony. Him, they were both, they were all three hanging with Richard Bandler, who's talking about NLP. And a lot of people don't know this, but actually, NLP, um, Tony Roman was the only one who knows very basic stuff about it, but he learned some basic things and made it really big and whatever. But these guys stuck with it. You know, what is it all about? Well, it's how to talk to our internal processing system. So we have automatic patterns that go off, you know, even how we brush our teeth or comb our hair or drive our car, right? If you look around, everyone's gonna click and move and brush or do the thing or button up, whatever, right? And you try switching hands with the other toothbrush, right? You're like, hey man, you know, so, right? So they understood that the problem is is inside of us, right? It's inside of, it's not the conscious, we're what I call the mouse, it's the computer that's fully all in us, you know, that's operating when we're sleeping, that's doing the digesting, that's pumping the blood, all those things. It's breathing at night. And these guys found out that, hey, when we use certain language in certain ways, we can actually help the unconscious mind to basically relax, clear out, sometimes remove, replace whatever that is, update. I've been that one, promote. That's the new fun one I've been using. Where basically we can why I use the word clarity was because to me, these tools and techniques, I've never had anything help me become clear, congruent, empowered, solid in myself, going, all right, now I know what the issue is, or now I understand why this thing was bouncing me back and forth. And when you get resolution internally in the depths of who you are, you know, that quantum field, if you will, uh, you get real change. I mean, I had a guy that had 10 years of PTSD, lost four inches of the width of his legs in an oil fire. He talks about it, uh, has a review on my um on the video on my website, and man, we freaking we did like a month or something together, and he said it was more than 10 years of PTSD therapy. And I mean, we literally cleared it out in like less than a couple weeks, and then just did a few months of follow-ups. Because we got to the core issue, believe it or not, that was a very young event.

SPEAKER_00: 14:31

Yeah, getting to the root of it can be generational, it could be in utero, right?

SPEAKER_02: 14:39

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00: 14:40

You know, it's it's that timeline you use to work backwards with people is really potent and powerful. And all the talk therapy in the world it you know can help to some degree in the present moment and maybe some in the past, but it doesn't tap into the subconscious, it doesn't tap into those stories, the really deep dark stuff, right? That really sabotages you on your day-to-day. You know, it might be one sentence you heard when you were two years old from your dad, you know, that changed the trajectory of your entire life and you know, guided you in a direction that was unhealthy. Right? I believe that the root problem is where you need to start, and you help people find that. It's a process, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03: 15:36

Absolutely. I love what you all that was so good. Even the guy I I've worked with now like studied under like 30, 50 doctors now. Some of my guys have 10 doctorates each, and they'll tell you look at the history of what talk therapy was, it got big because you couldn't make money with sort of hypnotherapy because it took care of the problem too fast. And then you kind of couldn't support your family, so you didn't really have an option. That really was the big pivot, somewhere around the 1800s or early 19th, I can't remember the time. But yeah, that's what happened, and then it got stuck on, even says in the document like it takes a long time because it's more just talk about the surface, just getting it out. And yes, it can be beneficial. What I've learned though is most tools and techniques, and I've studied, I count what's it? I stopped counting after 30 something. I was like, well, whatever, 30-something. What am I gonna quit? Right? Is all this stuff. I'm like, most of it, most of it, and uh, all of these doctors I've worked with who agree is more, it's not preventative, right? It's not getting to the root, it's maintenance, it's like maintaining or kind of dealing, or you know, the car washing the car once a month, but not really dealing with that, the fact that there's you know, stains and stuff. You know what I mean? So that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00: 16:50

Yeah, it's the superficial layer of things, right? And to get really deep into it, you gotta get vulnerable and you gotta tap into some stuff that you might have been stuffing for 30, 40 years.

SPEAKER_03: 17:04

Hey, I got something real good that just came up. I remember we were doing a coaching program, and um I'll be real generic. We had someone come up to the front of the room and they're like, hey, um, hey, Dr. Matt, you know, I'd love to learn how to, you know, let's go of something even faster. He was talking about how to do like, you know, months of coaching and hours kind of thing. Like, how do you really get to that root issue? And he starts sharing, like, yeah, well, the problem's my truck, you know, it's my truck. He looks at the audience, he goes, Is that the problem? Or like, no. He keeps talking and sharing some information. He says, Well, it's just my dad, you know, my dad made me buy it. I'm just pissed at him. Is that the problem? No. Okay, we keep going. Yeah, well, you know, I'm just not too sure what I want. He goes, my bad. Is that the problem? We were like, mmm, no. He goes, again, he goes, you know what? I just don't know what I want in life, and I don't even trust myself as a man. So that's when I'm working with people too. I'm waiting for that. Sometimes people look at me real weird too. I'm like, listen, I learned to say this. I could have stopped a long time ago, and we can get a result. But I I I want to have fun, so let's go a little more so we can get a bang, you know. And that's what I get giddy about because I have grown up doing this, I see it, I love it, it lights me up. I think it's what I'm even like psychics I've seen are like, this dude, this is what you're meant to do. Like, this is just what you're geared for, bro. And I I just love it. I love helping it to me. This is why. It's like I get to help someone find an invisible puzzle and help them solve it that they don't even realize that is running the background of their life and self-sabotaging them. Now people triple their business and pregnant after seven years of trying and you know, all kinds of nutty stuff of just amazing transformations, you know, addictions gone, and you know, um stage fright gone. I've seen this stuff even with allergies, like cat allergies, like stuff like that. Like, because think about it, if we put a projection booth of a giant cat and you know, a bunch of these people think they're allergic and they start scratching whatever, really no cat. Just a picture. But so, but it reacted in the unconscious, right? So, so what level that is, right? You can, you know, we can that's a much deeper thing depending on the person, the baggage, and all that. The point is, it's real, and it's really cool to see like how much, and they're seeing now, something like 90% of the diseases are psychosomatic in our belief system. We had one guy talking about in the book healing back pain, talks John Sarno. I'm just gonna trust my gut. Um 10,000 case study that if a woman with cancer right-handed and left breast equaled with a 99% success rate of 10,000 people, equaled a belief system connected to empty nest syndrome. Something about their worth or value being outside of them, therefore, creates the dis ease. I mean, there's so much research behind like belief systems that energy getting stuck in. Creating these unharmonies in our body.

SPEAKER_00: 20:32

I believe in that fully.

SPEAKER_03: 20:34

Your body keeps the score. That's a great original one, you know, a lot of people know about. I mean, the science is here, guys. I mean, it's so here now. I mean, it's and what's wild is it's catching up to all the spiritual stuff. I mean, I'm trading something called also Huna, Ancient Art of Hawaiian Healing, and like coming back to like what they're proving with energy and like this energy healing, how real it is. And now my guys are talking about how to figure out when you add what, you know. Hey, let's release the belief here, deep into the internal belief system. And yes, it can be generational. I had one recently that was like, this dude was like, and I knew it was, he was so solid. He's like, Oh, yeah, man. I've actually known my my grandfather's grandfathers said this. This is like a theme in our family. It was it was a horrible quote. It's like it's like never works out for the dudes kind of deal.

SPEAKER_00: 21:22

Wow. Like the guys just get fucked.

SPEAKER_03: 21:24

Yeah, the guys are yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 21:26

He inherited that thought process, that mindset. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 21:29

He's like, Oh, yeah, I know they have it back. You know, so we went to release people, you know. That's why in a way too, I'm doing not only an LP, but I'm doing a little mix of hypnotherapy, something called mental and emotional release, which in the study in the book, you can look it up, had a hundred percent success in getting these kids out of clinical depression compared to what? Cognitive behavioral talk therapy.

SPEAKER_00: 21:51

Walk us through the process, Lance, of when you meet somebody and you offer that free hour. Let's talk about that first. Okay. And then after that, kind of walk us through your program and what happens with inside of it.

SPEAKER_03: 22:08

Amazing. My hour is my teaser because I've always thought, you know, a lot of times money can be the barrier, or like, I'm not sure who is this guy, or what is this process? Meh meh, meh, meh, meh. It's like, bro, free hour. Because also, not only has I learned I'm actually also testing them, don't tell anybody. It's also seeing is it fit? And I'm also it's my give back to like, hey, let me show you that this stuff can work in ways you didn't even think was possible. You know, I mean, I counted now a dozen people locally that said, I really asked what is the value of this before we release it. They're like, that's a million dollar value, bro. Like, shit, this has been stuck forever. You know, is it or is it not? I mean, we can sit here, I'm just telling you I asked, and that's what they said. I've had out a dozen, and then we pop that stuff, can I read it back, and they're like, what the heck? That was a 10 belief, and now it's like a one or something, you know? And uh, it's just amazing to see. So, one hour, just get on the one hour. It's just to test it, try it out. We're just gonna talk about a little bit, like one, we're gonna start with a little grounding exercise. That's to have both of us come to be more present. And also, when the the body feels safe, the unconscious mind gives us better information. So that's why I do that. I do a little easy with what's the problem, or what do you like to fix? Or you have a genie with a magic lamp, what'd you wish for? Kind of thing. And so I get some information of what's going on. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I actually say, hey, look, I'm giving you permission. I'm giving you give me permission to bitch, basically, you know, or whatever, complain or whine, and and uh because I want some I want to.

SPEAKER_00: 23:38

Give you a good baseline of what to work on. You're taking notes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 23:43

And before I do like a 30 minute plan, and before I do a 30-minute, but I realized that ain't give me enough time to even connect with the person, and I was like, well, an hour and a half, that's a lot. And I was like, bro, just do it right in between, like, because 30 minutes you can connect. One of my tools is like about 30 minutes. I was like, that's freaking perfect. And I moved to a new place, which I did here in Denver a year plus ago, like I can have something that's an easy S, you know? And so my business in there in you know, Dallas Port Worth is still going, and I'm starting to build a little pod here. So yeah, free one hour, do the we uh what rounding, what's the problem? And then I call it my top five contenders. I go, all right, out of these things that were mentioned, you know, that I you know, I don't have the value, I don't trust myself, money's evil, you know, so and so, you know, XYZ's bad, whatever that is, right? And then we even look at that, I go, okay, now which one of these when the is the winner? You know, which one in the boxing ring, you know, bam, man, like, you know, or the deepest root, baby. If we kill this puppy, that tree's dead. And I kind of like look at it, I'm like, hmm.

SPEAKER_00: 24:52

Yeah. There's always one that's louder, right? That's the loudest.

SPEAKER_03: 24:57

There's always something that's a little louder. And I keep going, I'll give you a little secret. I'll keep going until I hear something about childhood, actually. Keep going, like, oh, you know, when I was a kid, I did. I'm like, oh yeah, you'll see me like a get like this little cat grid. Oh my god, yeah, yeah. Because I know we're getting close. I know it's something because that's when it comes in, like you mentioned. What one to seven is actually when the unconscious mind is totally open. The conscious doesn't come in until a year or so later to that like kind of blocker that we have now. So it's just soaking it in.

SPEAKER_00: 25:27

Yeah. And then we find that one to seven is when we're the you know, we're like sponges, right? That's the ages that we that kids can see spirit, right? My kids saw spirit at that age. They're like, mom, who's that guy in the bathroom in the corner up on the ceiling, you know? Or they would see a cat, you know, in the bathroom that used to live there prior to us living there, you know, like they're so open and easily influenced by their surroundings and how they're nurtured and how their parents behave with them and how their parents behave with each other, how they talk about money, how they talk about the future, everything that's discussed and felt energetically in that time. Kids soak it in and it kind of creates a dictation of what their perception is going to be as they grow up, right? Highly influenzable, but not the cognition is not mature enough to process that that's not necessarily truth because they're children. So it can F you up big time as you grow up and become an adult, right? That's your truth. I love this. I love this.

SPEAKER_03: 26:48

My dad gives me this great analogy, and I use it all the time now because I heard it since his kid. He goes, The spilled milk analogy. What? You're six years old, the milk spills. Ham's hand goes down, bam. What does that mean? I'm not saying it on purpose because I'm not letting people listen for a second. What did you hear in your head, right? Maybe some heard scared or fear or safe or trouble or right?

SPEAKER_00: 27:13

Right? Anger.

unknown: 27:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 27:15

Just wanted him. You were rejected by him.

SPEAKER_03: 27:19

It's just spilled milk.

SPEAKER_00: 27:20

You're wrong.

unknown: 27:21

Right?

SPEAKER_03: 27:22

It's just spilt milk. Yet we are humans and we create experiences, a root out of that, right? That explodes or you know, keeps birthing into this thing, which is why I believe in this work. My dad says, look, if it works, it works. Like that's it, man. We're only doing it, and I'm picking this and whatever, because it I've never seen anything else get results like this. Now, money's not falling from the sky or anything. And I've seen some damn near incredible changes of people just like getting to that, okay. Well, when did this really come in? You know, because you know, it's not the truck, right? It's not the truck, it's the I don't trust self. Cool, when that came in, yeah, you know, and then people are like, I don't know, I don't know. Funny enough, you tell the unconscious mind you give it the right direction. Hey, I'm give your unconscious mind permission. Ask it. Is it before, during, after your birth? When did it come in? You get someone in a relaxed state, it's amazing what comes out. Oh man, I think it's before, like, blah, blah, blah, blah. Whoa, yeah. I just one lady man have a have a, she's like, I'm in the 1800s in this ship. I mean, she just starts sobbing and she's like, I'm on this boat, and like, started kind of waiting. It was wild. Comes back to now completely flat. Read back her own handwriting, she's like, What the heck just happened? I was like, Yeah, man, we get we actually cleared a root of it. Indian past life sometimes. So I asked as a generation's a past life is in the womb. Oh, I got another one. Oh, so good. I was first learning this, like how many years ago now? Six, seven years ago. This girl says, Yeah, wasn't that cool? That you know, the mental emotional release thing, especially that anger. I was like, Yeah, yeah, I'm still, I mean, I'm feeling I feel good, but I don't even know what just happened, you know? And she's like, Yeah, yeah, like where is anger for you? I was like, I don't know. I think I said past life, which I don't even believe in. So I don't I was like, I don't get so confused. And she goes, Well, for anger for me was six months on mother's womb. I was like, okay, wow, that's oddly specific. She's like, Yeah, I don't know. And a few days later, after the training, um, her mom picks her up. Um, she was like, you know, 25 or something or whatever, and um and her mom goes, we're having wine, I think, together. Her mom goes, I can't believe my daughter knew that. I go, knew what? Oh, at the six-month thing. What's it what do you mean is what do you mean? There's a thing with it? What do you mean? She goes, Oh yeah. I uh had a guy that um I decided to you know be together with who was physically hurting me. But he I didn't have any other way to have financial support, so I didn't know what else to do, and I was having a baby. It was right that month I decided, and I remember having a flood of this anger in my body. Well, guess what her daughter's connected to? Her body, bro.

SPEAKER_00: 30:19

Yeah. And I can vouch for the testimonial because I worked with Lance too as a client. So that free hour really did pull me in because it was amazing. We peeled back a couple layers, you know, and then I your next level of package was uh just validate this, the the three hour, right? Where we did two one hour sessions, or we did what two one hours? It was a five hour, wasn't it? We did two one hours and then a three hour, right?

SPEAKER_03: 30:52

You got it perfect. Yeah, that's called I call it my mini month. Yep, it's five hours. You work with my naturopathic doctor to do like an oral spray, usually to just get the body ready. Um, that way it's naturopathic, hyperallogenic, that kind of thing. Uh is usually what I do with people, and then I yeah, take them through. That's usually that one hour that starts there with her, also including the free one hour, you know, in a way. And then we do that three-hour deep dive, usually a few weeks later, and then after that, we do another one hour check-in a few weeks later after that. So, yeah, that's around like five inches.

SPEAKER_00: 31:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got it.

SPEAKER_03: 31:25

I also want to check it, like, hey, it's been a few weeks, like let's check it out. And nine times out of ten, you know, it's always like, damn, man, like now I'm just on to the next thing. It's just always the next thing, which is great. But I like to say, well, we we got your system. Check this out, I'm saying this differently. We got your system to catch you up, to see you for now. It's like it's like an iPhone. Check this out. I think this is so good. Think about an iPhone being the update is your age, okay? Right? So you're level whatever. I can like that. I kind of like more like a video game. You're level right 40, 40 or something like that. Okay. What happens though is that we can have our operating system still in level six. And it doesn't see us as a level 30. So this is a way to help the whole processing system inside of us in general. So not just people get stuck to here on, oh, it's gotta be trauma or big old blah, blah, blah. No, man. If you look at um, I know big real estate um companies, all of their managers do this stuff because they need to know how to lead teams and do proper goal setting, action, focus. You know, I could take people through, you know, not all that mini month, but you know, that I usually do a three-month package next, or like a six-month, because now we're doing something called a breakthrough session. That's two, four-hour days back to back. It's 30, 25, 30, basically mental emotional performance tools of updating, rewiring, parts integrating, you know, forgiving, value, um, all kinds of stuff, right? Gold of future, you know, all these things that we can really look at and help upgrade that these guys, these integrative psychologists guys created. So it wasn't Lance, you know, I'd love to say yes. I mean, how amazing. You know, but I say, no, this is a process I learned from a group of guys and gals that Holt's purpose was to create change in the unconscious mind. And then, I mean, I work with so many doctors that blend this with just with their work because the results are so good. Even like a chiropractor I know, man, he does breakthroughs all the time because he's doing them on the relationship with their body, clearing up release, you know, information with their body, being mad at their body, right? Hello, does any of us have any kind of body? I know I'm, you know, really love my, you know, work on my body a lot. Every day I work out, you know. So, but you know, I'm sure some of it may can, you know, have some internal work, but uh, I also really love it. I love being healthy and you know, I worked on that too, so I can love my body more and not be like, you better, you know, ugly piece of shit, you better, right? That tells you too if there's a lot of baggage. Notice if there's a lot of away languaging, right? A lot of the carrot, a lot of the stick versus the carrot. I've been using that a lot lately.

unknown: 33:56

Right?

SPEAKER_03: 33:56

How much internal languaging is like, oh, you know, let's go towards it, and it feels good, and I'm pulled, and I'm in that flow, and I desire it. Much more towards pulling, right? I can even feel my body lifting versus the you know, the doing that I better get figured it out, and the rah-and oh boy, and this using the fear to look at all the problems. Now I understand I worked at an event company. We want to look for, you know, to make it excellent. And I'm learning there's a way to look for excellence and missing holes without being in the state of like panic, anger, and paranoia. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 34:29

Yes, yes, for sure. You know, like attract attraction to the outcome, right? With grace and patience and excitement. That's really hard for people to do, right? There's a especially as an entrepreneur, you know, there's that undercurrent of urgency all the time. You know, that's you feel it a bit, always working on it. You're probably really good at managing that.

SPEAKER_03: 34:57

My homework lately has actually been land, sit down, shut up. You know, I actually feel the feelings of how much I want to go do something. No, dude, you wait your stretch is sitting down and chilling, you know, it's really depending on the person, right? That's another thing I love about this work is we're helping you discover you and what you need for your next step. Because some it's the chill of the F out, and some it's like you lazy, it's time to go, baby. You're like, let's go.

SPEAKER_00: 35:21

Yeah, where's the where's the happy medium? Because people can push, push, push and think they're productive by staying busy. But nothing's happening, right? You blow days and it's like nothing's happening, there's no production, but you're busy, so you justify it somehow, right? So, how do we get to a place where we're consistent, right? And producing something, not necessarily money, but something to move forward towards the goal of becoming evolution, of becoming a better version of ourselves, right? What does that look like? Actually, actually, I got a process.

SPEAKER_03: 36:00

You actually have a process for you guys that would love to share about how to do that.

SPEAKER_00: 36:04

Let's talk about it. You said you were gonna do like a 10-minute process thing, right? You said yesterday that you had an idea of just a pro a quick practice. You want to do that?

SPEAKER_03: 36:13

Yeah, we can do that. I want to, I'll do um, I'll do the I'll do a five-minute of this one, and then I'll bring y'all through a little tool. So, one of them, the main one that they found more than anything else, the main thing that we get repeated over and over in our studies is called the four requisites for change. So just think about how to create change the most efficiently, or you know, I kind of like to think of like how to stop self-sabotage or you know, in internal conflict kind of thing. But it's called the Four Requisites for Change. So, if you want to create change, you have to do four things in this specific order, right? So the first one is you need to do release work. So release work is actually like letting go of something and creating space. The next one is goal setting, because you need to actually plan. So when you're talking about made me laugh, because I'm like, yeah, people get in a boat. One of my analogies I use a lot in my even my website, I use this boat analogy of like, all right, well, I need to release my boat being tied to the dock, right? Um after that, then I need to goal set on where I want to go because people action all day in rowing, but you know, they're just rowing in circles going, look, mom, you know, no hands kind of thing. And uh it's like, well, you know, are you, you know, are you really doing that? I mean, are you really you know being productive? Like, let's, you know, let's look at it. Like, what do you want to create? Even more simple, you have a cup that's full, right? Because we usually come to every day pretty full of whatever you think we know or whatever. So we don't release, let go of that now. What do we want to fill it into the cup of what that is, the goals? And action, doing it. You need to do it, we need to practice it and rep it, and then focus. What what what is your positive? Who do you want to become? What's your towards? What's motivating you? Right? That's one of the biggest things that people can do is just that. So release the belief, and even daily, right? Forgiving daily, forgiving ourselves, other people daily. And that's what we'll take you through a little forgiveness exercise today. All right, release it. Goal set. Oh, what kind of family do I want? Who do a person I want to become? What kind of people do I want to date? Right? Because a lot of people I think get mixed with this. So many coaches and things out there of the well, just go date or something, like go on a bunch of dates, and you'll just rep through it, kind of thing. And like the problem is he still's got trouble with his mom and he's repeating it.

SPEAKER_00: 38:25

He's he keeps dating his mother, versions of his mother. We weird out. I married a version of my dad. Thank God praise Jesus. I'm divorced now. But back in the day, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 38:42

Yes, we do we're doing it to heal ourselves. Yes, very normal. I hear it all the time.

SPEAKER_00: 38:49

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I want you to walk us through it, but just a quick segue here. Um, episode 44, folks, is one I did on powerless goal setting for daily, weekly, and quarterly goals. So given our conversation of what we're discussing now, just refer back to that episode 44 for uh for tips on goal setting and sticking with it. Okay, Lance, do you want to walk us through your five-minute practice?

SPEAKER_03: 39:17

Let's do it. So we're gonna do a forgiveness process that comes from Hawaii. I have all the credentials and all the ways to do this. I'm even um from the original Hawaiians from the original books. So just uh in case anyone has questions, it's all back to source. So it's pretty awesome. This comes from actual ancient Hawaiian languaging. So one of my favorite tools in the world. Um, now this is called whole pono pono. Now, before people I know have already jumped to their thought of the I love you thing, uh, it's actually that's a different lineage. Mine is a different process, so uh, think y'all will really love it. So, what we're gonna do is close our eyes together and I'm gonna join you with me. This actually sounds feels good for me to do today. Haven't done one in a few days. Use some nice breaths in and out, just about three or four here, through the nose, out the mouth, and we're gonna make a yawning sound or a sighing sound. This purpose is just to tell the system that to relax very quickly. So you'll even notice my voice will drop. Everything just drop down into the seat. That's right, the body just slightly like a wet dish rag, just flopping down. Aware, but very relaxed. Bringing some love, joint peace into the room wherever you're at. Sending some ground and down into the ground. Feeling nice and relaxed, closing your eyes, holding estate. The idea of this is that we have connection, our unconscious mind, all people that we've had contact with, people we've had or having relationships. So let's just go ahead now and give ourselves permission that first that you know you're ready for this. You want to call being pono, means being peaceful within and peaceful outwards. So whole pono pono, peace both ways, giving yourself your unconscious mind permission, understanding that I'm not doing anything. It's you and your higher self doing the work. I'm just leading you through a process. So that is for you. Let's just imagine for a moment that you have this stage below you in front of you. We're just gonna bring some people onto this stage. Imagine what the stage looks like, feels like, sees like. It's big or small or moving still. Bring all the people that are involved at this stage onto the stage now. All the people involved. Doesn't matter. No rules here. It's your your universe. I just imagine you have this like love healing light that connects from source above the top of your head. You're just gonna fill up your body. I always think of the scripture of the cup overfloweth here. Always love that. Just overflowing this love-healing light, kind of like a waterfall. Just dousing yourself in it, feeling good about it. And now you know as you just fill up this love-healing light head to toe, you just notice your heart opens. You connect to the people onto the stage with their heart. What we say is I forgive you, please forgive me too. Because even if whatever the other person did, no matter how bad it was, if we're over here holding judgment and anger and rage against them, that's us still choosing violence in some way towards someone. Even if it was horrific and bad. Say, hey, you know what? I forgive you for what happened. Please forgive me too. And just notice it back and forth. The group saying it back, like, hey, I forgive you. Please forgive us too. Taking some nice breaths in and out just to clear yourself, feeling grounded, feeling good. Maybe have a discussion if you need to, talk back and forth. Say whatever needs to be said, hear whatever needs to be heard. Say anything back to source that's no longer yours. Opening up any anything that's needed to, any connection, just sending it back to source, disconnecting. It's no longer yours, no longer needed, maybe not even comes from you, pre-generational, whatever it is. Maybe an I forgive you, please forgive me too. One more time, back and forth, clear it up, nice breath in and out. And then bundle some. What we're gonna do here is bundle some Aka connections, is what it's called. So just imagine, like, in front of your stomach, you're gonna pull down this love healing light again. You have all these, like, I like to think of spaghetti strings or you know, light cords, or um, funny enough, it's literally what brain neurons look like. The Juana didn't even know it. It literally looks like C through spaghetti strings. It's so amazing. I have to think of my favorite that I've made up for me. It was like, I imagine all these extension cords, but there are some of them like nasty, kind of rotty and you know, spritzy. And I'm like, man, I either don't need this connection anymore, so I'm just gonna toss it and let it go, because I don't have enough energy for this person or where I'm at or whatever's going on. And I'm gonna release that energy and whatever connection's there and make sure it's Pono and good. No, no, you know, no, just saying, hey, you know, this is out of balance, I release it, or if I took on something that was theirs, I let it go. So imagine that disconnect to happen, that or you know, they say that having like a love-healing light come down and just chop all these connections and let everything just kind of dissolve for just a second and let it just be mute for just a moment. So you let it all dissolve. And then just then purposely reconnect who you want to reconnect with with more strength, more power, more love, more congruence, more peace. Just acting from this state of being. We're just trying to tap into more higher vibration, letting go of the low, the anger, sadness, fear, hurt, guilt, being more in the love, joy, peace, patience, kindness. Bringing that in now. Then just allow those to strengthen, or you'd like for them to do. Feeling good about it, having fun with it. Letting it all integrate now. Seeing yourself integrate. You don't really want to see yourself cutting connections from yourself, just seeing yourself integrate even more, loving yourself even more, dusting off the dirt from your light bulb for yourself, reconnecting with who you'd like even deeper. And just thanking your unconscious mind, your higher self, for successful process as you start to come back into your body, back to now. And then just notice, you know, someone who was on that stage. I definitely feel a little lighter, even though I've done this many times. I definitely saw something today people out and felt before. It's like a big chord for me, just like a you know, like I can really be even even more grounded, which is wonderful feeling. Coming all the way back to now, and open your eyes when you're ready, everyone.

SPEAKER_00: 47:13

Don't do this driving.

SPEAKER_02: 47:18

Yes, but keep your eyes open if driving.

SPEAKER_00: 47:22

That was great. Um I started off with like a dozen people, and then as you kind of walked us through it, a lot of them just kind of fell off because I wanted to focus on three specific humans in my life, the three most important ones in my life. And the others kind of were standing behind them when we all started, and my three kind of came more forward, and the others kind of fell back into shadow. Like I had to really kind of narrow it, tighten it up, and not have too many cords going in too many different directions because that helped that contributed to my lack of focus, right? So brought it back in, and that really helped to concentrate harder on those three specific people and just clearing that out with those three.

SPEAKER_03: 48:26

Awesome.

SPEAKER_00: 48:27

So that's my takeaway from it. That was awesome. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03: 48:30

Well, I'll say it sounds like the unconscious mind basically highlighted, like, hey, this is these are the ones why you focus on today. Like, this is your little mini route, you know, with all these other people.

SPEAKER_00: 48:38

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 48:39

This is the emotional tie, right? Of like this issue or you know, thing, so that it was actually helping you highlight doing perfectly like it should.

SPEAKER_00: 48:47

Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Lance. Um, I'm gonna have Lance put his uh information, uh, give it to me. You're gonna be sending it to me. I think it's just your website, right? That you want to put on the show notes.

SPEAKER_03: 49:01

Yep, Clarity Coaching Centers with an S, Clarity Coaching Centers.com.

SPEAKER_00: 49:06

Fabulous.

SPEAKER_03: 49:07

And then on there is a free hour. So to all your people in there uh that are listening, you can definitely check it out if you want you to have your own experience of this. Um, yeah, absolutely love to give that to you because I didn't know this stuff existed and um I didn't, you know, I want to X that barrier. And if you love this, there's a lot more you'll love.

SPEAKER_00: 49:28

Yeah. And did you say you had a free book download on your website?

SPEAKER_03: 49:32

Oh, what you can do is go to my calendar and go straight to my website, or you can book there, and that's the free one hour, go straight to my calendar.

SPEAKER_00: 49:39

Okay, no, no free book download.

SPEAKER_03: 49:41

Oh, well, I'll tell you what, what it is is on my free gift page, you can go there. There's a whole free PDF, a four four-page video series that it goes into like a 20-minute explanation, five minutes each of all the four requisites, and like a 15-page uh PDF explaining it as well.

SPEAKER_00: 49:58

That's wonderful. That really gives people a lot of education on the processes. I'm very into knowing the processes of how things work, right? And getting very clear on that prior to making a move. So that's wonderful that you have that available. And I went through the process too with Lance. I did the free hour with him, and then we did the five-hour program. And we went back in timeline. Here's my testimonial for Lance. He really helped me in 2025 get out of my own way with a lot of a lot of my self-sabotaging talk, a lot of my internal dialogue with my childhood and how my dad treated me and the relationship around money with my parents, and so much more. Oh my gosh. I did a lot of crying. Lance saw me in a very ugly, gross way, and he supported and loved on me either way. I kind of snapped at you a couple times too, but that was me apologizing to you now. But that was just me kind of processing, like I was in the freaking trenches.

SPEAKER_03: 51:06

We were in it, girl, but that was awesome. You know, we were in it.

SPEAKER_00: 51:11

Yeah, a lot of stuff came up for me. Uh with my mother, a lot of stuff came up with me in utero.

SPEAKER_01: 51:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 51:22

Do you remember that? No, no. Yeah, I'm the middle, I'm the middle of three girls, and I have I've been working on my money mindset and my lack and my fear mindset around money, and as an entrepreneur my whole life, it's not been easy, you know, but it's it was all rooted in when I was in my mother's womb, you know, that and I asked her for validation after we were done with this therapy. I don't remember if I told you or not, but I asked my mom, I'm like, hey mom, you know, what was the state of your relationship with dad and our financial situation when you were pregnant with me? And she said, Well, your dad was having an affair and we had$11 in the checking account when you were born. I was like, Oh my god. Oh my god. That explains a lot.

SPEAKER_03: 52:17

I remember in our studies, they say energy and environment affects ourselves first and foremost.

SPEAKER_00: 52:24

That was that was intense, man. To get to get validation because that's what came up in our timeline as we were going backwards, right? Like, you're like, when did this start? Like, well, I wasn't born yet. I feel it inside my mother, the anxiety, the fear, the survival fear, you know, the the relationship, the uncertainty, the insecurity around her bond with my dad. Like that explains why I married a version of my dad, right? Trying to get validation and oh my god, it's just it's it's so much, you know. But I really appreciate you going through all that. And you know, the root of it was rejection.

SPEAKER_01: 53:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 53:09

You know, when you ask for the one word, what's the one word? It took me. Do you remember that? It was the three, I think it was a three-hour session we did, but it took me like 20 minutes to say it out loud.

SPEAKER_03: 53:23

I remember, you I remember like, I can't even uh you're like, if you got nauseous, I was like, that means we got it. Yeah, like and then remember two. See, maybe I'm hearing someone going like rejection, or like whatever, like something, something like you have to understand it's from one to seven. We want it simple. We do all the digging to find the core of the simplicity because think about the kid in us. You know, I got hurt. I got what does that kid know? Rejection, hurt, pain, right? It's simple, you know. But we just got to find out what that one is connected to because that lights up the neurology in the unconscious mind, baby. And then we get this shift and we feel different.

SPEAKER_00: 54:03

Yeah, it was powerful, Lance. You know, you helped me with a lot of that childhood stuff and that trauma of like growing up and feeling unwanted and like being told I wasn't good enough, you know, and not getting an I love you from my dad, and you know, doing something for him. And, you know, like I would mow the lawn, and we lived on a big hill, you know, I would mow the lawn, I was like 70 pounds, you know, mowing the lawn on a hill, and he would come out and pick out like the one blade of grass that wasn't the same height as the rest of the yard, you know, he was that guy, you know. So it was it was a lifetime up until he passed when I was 19, where, you know, I was trying to validate myself in his life, you know, and he never had any sons and he blamed my mom for that. And, you know, it's it was a whole thing. So it it was really powerful to get to that rejection piece because that that rejection piece has has really um has really driven my whole life, you know, why I got into healing work, you know, why I mean it's self-explanatory, right? You know, and now I'm in finance. I don't I'm not sure I understand that yet, but it's it's something that has really helped me kind of purge and unravel and peel back the layers of that deep, deep, deep, deep painful stuff. So I thank you for that. And I'm validating Lanson's testimonial here for the listeners that he has helped me purge a lot of stuff that was old, right?

SPEAKER_03: 55:43

You know, I'm just grateful that I've had mentors. Aren't we grateful the mentors that have that have come before us that have helped us learn information that can help us today, you know, that is caught up. I'm so grateful.

SPEAKER_00: 55:55

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That stuff in utero with my mom was stuff she inherited from her mother. You know, we went back even farther, do you remember? And I had some grandma stuff coming up where my grandma was not given the freedom to be creative and make her own money. Yes, and my grandpa had multiple affairs, and she never really knew where he was or how much money he made, and she was never given any power. And that's generational, right? Things are changing for women, but my grandmother had that in her when she birthed my mom.

SPEAKER_03: 56:33

It's changing, and as it's changing, how about we change ourselves to catch our own unconscious mind and body up with the times that are changing?

SPEAKER_00: 56:41

Right, and not give it to our kids, right?

SPEAKER_03: 56:44

Amen. That's why I favorite that's gotta be I I mean, I I tell parents, like, hey man, you know, if you keep you keep this, you're keeping it. And that means you're gonna teach it. Like, that's how do you teach you cannot teach my hands up with it in my foot if you want, right? Both hands and a foot. Uh, of like, man, you know, it's always we're always spiraling up, we're always going to this new vibration. I think it's always going up that love, joy, peace, like, you know, thing. And uh, you know, it's always more to learn, more to grow, more to do, more to explore. And um, you know, I think a lot of us get lost in we should connect to our kid, our kid's self again and have fun and we think about what lights us up and creates joy in our lives, you know, and look at the things, let them go, and then light up what we want to be here and do and create because that's what I think we're actually designed to do. That's why it makes us happy because it's our path. How about that?

SPEAKER_00: 57:38

Yeah, I'm still working on the you know, the path to living and not just surviving. It's a it's a goal. I have to get to that point where I can really kind of enjoy things more, you know. And as an entrepreneur, it's always work, work, and pushing, right? But I can't, I can't see any more joy coming from a W-2 position, right?

SPEAKER_02: 58:07

No thanks.

SPEAKER_00: 58:08

I can't see any, I can't see me thriving in an environment like that after 20 years of doing it on my own. I just gotta find that path of, you know, pe internal peace around where I'm at.

SPEAKER_03: 58:21

You know, I heard it. One of my mentors said the other day that Lance, there is there's always the wanted and the unwanted. And the unwanted gives birth to the wanted. So you can celebrate both.

SPEAKER_00: 58:35

That was amazing. And I am so appreciative of you coming on to the podcast and sharing your story and the work that you do that is so very important. Would you like to share your website one more time?

SPEAKER_03: 58:49

Sure. Well, thank you so much. I had an absolute blast, and uh, thank you to you and your amazing audience. If you guys would like to contact me, just type in Clarity Coaching Centers with an S, C-E-N-T-E-R-S, Clarity Coaching Centers. You'll see a nice big blue mountain. And if you go to my website, you'll find a book now, and I'll give you a free one hour so you can experience this yourself. If you like the uh forgiveness process that piqued your interest, I'd love to meet you one on one and give you a little bit taster of a teaser of a little bit deeper of a dive. Check it out.

SPEAKER_00: 59:22

Awesome. Appreciate you, Lance. You have a great rest of your day, everybody, and we'll see you on the next episode.

unknown: 59:29

Bye.