E48 - Turning Energy Into Strength Through Martial Arts And Breath with Thomas Kerns

What if your body could learn to turn impact into healing, and stress into clarity? That’s the thread we follow with Thomas Kern Jr., a 10th-degree black belt in jujutsu through Jukokai International, who shares how breath, alignment, and attention reshape energy into something you can feel and use. He didn’t stick with taekwondo or capoeira; he stayed where the practice became sensory, where drills created unmistakable feedback in the hands, spine, and breath.

We walk through practical methods anyone can try: palms facing to sense warmth and pressure, three-breaths-per-minute to stabilize the nervous system, and a grounded stance that locks in alignment so energy flows instead of stalls. Thomas explains why a flexible, multicolored “moving shield” outperforms a rigid bubble, adapting to your posture, pace, and environment. He also gets granular on what it means to convert force, describing how he learned to redirect kinetic energy—from a punch or a kitchen burn—into a surge that repairs rather than injures. The result is not mystical posturing; it’s repeatable, embodied skill.

Auras, cords, and boundaries get a fresh, skeptic-friendly treatment. Color charts can be useful, but he urges listeners to test meanings over time in safe, quiet settings. Energy cords sometimes require multiple cuts; imagination becomes a tool—knife, sword, chainsaw—backed by breath and patience. We also talk road sense and eye contact: how reading energy can keep you safer in traffic and more present in a room. When negativity shows up, Thomas chooses to raise positive energy rather than mirror it, protecting integrity and shifting outcomes.

If you’re craving grounded ways to feel energy, protect your field, and navigate resistance without drama, this conversation offers a blueprint you can test today. Try the hand sensitivity drill, set a fluid shield before your commute, and see what changes. If it works, keep it. If not, refine and retest. Subscribe for more real, practical tools for spiritual growth, share this with a friend who needs steadier breath, and leave a review to tell us which practice you tried first.

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Transcript

Snowy Hellos & Guest Intro

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Hello everyone. Welcome back to Om Shanti Healing's podcast, The Spiritual Connection. Welcome to episode 48. I have Thomas Kern Jr. with me today. Good morning, Thomas. Good morning. We are both enjoying finally a snowy day in Colorado. It's taken way too long to get winter to come. And uh he's at his home uh in uh northern part of Colorado, and I'm at my home, and we are zooming in to talk about martial arts and energy. And I want Thomas to just share uh your story. But before we begin, I want to do a little intro for Thomas. You grew up in Minnesota, correct?

SPEAKER_01 1:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

The Midwesterner, so you're used to very cold winters.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

Yeah, this is just a balmy day.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Right. And now you're in Fort Collins area. Uh you live with your uh family and you have about 15 critters running around all the time uh on some acreage out in the country. So great. Love that. Oh, there's a cat crawling across your lap. They do love to do that when you're you know on your keyboard, don't they?

SPEAKER_02 1:42

Frito, this is Fritos. He needs Fritos.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Hi, Fritos.

unknown 1:48

Oh, so cute.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

Good boy. He can't help himself.

unknown 1:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

And if I don't hold on to him, he'll he'll keep insisting.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

Right. He's a snuggle bug. I've I would have cats if I wasn't allergic to them. They give me asthma. So I'm a dog person. I'm a critter person, but cats make me itchy. Uh so for the last 19 years, Thomas, uh, you have studied so uh with Rod Sarkonowski.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

That's correct.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Correct. I nailed it nice. Uh founder of Jokikai International Martial Arts.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

You are a 10th degree black belt in jujutsu?

SPEAKER_02 2:29

Jujutsu.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

Jujutsu?

SPEAKER_02 2:31

Jujutsu, yeah. Jitsu is um like jujitsu? Jutsu means combat.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Oh, good.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

Good to know. Jutsu is not combat.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

I can tell we're gonna get some education in this episode. And you you have some other black belts in karate, taiki, toho, and self-defense classes that you teach. Yeah, so cool. How long have you been doing uh the martial arts stuff in self-defense?

SPEAKER_02 2:59

Well, it's 19 years with this this teacher, Rod Sakonowski, um, and his title is Soka. Um I started at 17 trying to find it, but Southwest Minnesota, there's not much there. So I was studying from a book. It's called the Modern Book of Karate. Um, I still have it, so and then I did some in college, I did some taekwondo, and then um when I went to grad school, it was Capoeira, so I studied all those, but I have um severe ADHD, and so they last about six months, and then I got bored, and so when I found Chukokai, it kept me going. So this is 19 years.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

So what inspired you to find this practice?

SPEAKER_02 3:57

Um we'll try putting the cat down. Um, I went to an energy class, it was called Internal Energy, and there were 20 of us, and it was also martial arts door dojo in Ann Arbor, Michigan. And I'm the only one left. So I mean, we had it whittled down to about six, and we did some internal energy movements, which are basic movements that you do every day, um, just by putting awareness into it. And then um that teacher went down to Texas to study with my current teacher. Um, and my current teacher just said, You know you don't have a dojo there in Michigan, why don't you come into come to Texas and study with me? So I traveled down there to study with him, still, and he's 85.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

Wow. Yeah. Very cool. So you studied in Texas, and you where in Texas was that?

SPEAKER_02 4:57

Did you live you move there for a while, or were you just uh I just fly down, I fly down, I do four hours at a time, usually one or two days, uh four hours straight through. I am one of those people who likes the intensive study, so I can do four hours at a time. Um, and then we do whatever art uh I'm currently working on because my teacher has 15 different ones.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

So talk to me about the love that you have for the art.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

Well, uh what David Carradine's kung fu when I was a kid, right? So stuff like that. There was one other kid with me that was interested in martial arts too. Um, so you know, we did stuff like that. Um, but it always seemed I'm a kinetic learner, so that's how I learned best. So that seemed to be um the way, in fact, even in retrospect, maybe college wasn't a good idea because I'm a kinetic learner, and it was better for me to do martial arts because that's how I figured out how I learned. It gave me the kinetic and auditory and visual are the way I learn. Writing stuff down helps, but I have to, if I say it out loud, it goes back in. So I've always enjoyed martial arts, I always loved it, I always thought it was unique, I was always drawn to it. Um, and I kept trying to find my martial art, you know, because it doesn't work, one art doesn't work for everybody, and I get that. So, you know, I I kept looking for it. Um, and I didn't find it until I was 38, 39, Jukokai. So it took a while, so I was like, dang it. So, but I kept looking. Like I go to college, I was looking for a martial art to study. They had some taekwondo, but it wasn't again, it didn't hold my interest. It didn't, you know, and then and then um capoeira, my brother-in-law, was doing a capoeira class, and I was like, okay, I'll do that. And and I liked it, and it capoeiras with music, so that was since my my degree is in music, that was interesting to me. I was like, oh, okay, this is pretty cool, but it didn't it didn't last. So um and I think they all were missing the energy piece, that's what they were missing. So when I found this one with uh my teacher in in Michigan, uh right away, um I was going four or five times a week for three, four hours a night. Wow. Yeah, so we did that for three, four years. So my wife did it as well.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

So um that sounds like that sounds like the golden nugget of what you were looking for. That's a commitment.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

Yeah, yeah. And I didn't I didn't even question it. I didn't even question the costs. I, you know, I was like, okay, I need to keep learning this.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

I need to keep learning when you find it, you find it, it doesn't even matter.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

Yeah, yeah, I didn't. So and we had no children at the time, so that helped.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Very good. So I'm really intrigued by the the energy component you spoke on.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 8:23

You were looking for something that kind of connected you to higher vibration, or what were you seeking that you found in this practice?

Grounding And Three-Breaths-Per-Minute

SPEAKER_02 8:33

So, since I'm a kinetic learner, I don't always know what it is because it's kind of weird. Because so, because I went into that uh Ann Arbor, Michigan with this internal energy thing going on, it was more of okay, let's see what this is and what moving around. And it took me two years to feel energy, constant practice. So, um, for example, the homeopathic remedies, when I put them under my tongue, I wouldn't feel anything, but now I actually get a twinge in my spine. So I actually feel that it's working. So it's very much with me, it's very much a feeling thing, you know. And then and then everybody's different. So when I teach this, I I say, okay, your experiences are different, your environment's different, you didn't grow up as I did. We need to see where it is and see where you find it. Now, usually the starting point is finding it in your hands, your hands are very sensitive, that's where you find it first. But it's a very kinetic thing for me. So I didn't always know where I was going. I knew that it felt good. I knew that it that this was the right path, but I couldn't figure out. Um, I always couldn't, I don't always figure out the extra stuff. Like, um, it's just I have to be very random. Because I grew up without television, my head daydreamed a lot as a kid, and I read a lot of books. So I always have to check myself to go, okay, is this information I'm getting, is it energy or is it me just daydreaming? You know, or is it just random thoughts? You have to, it's kind of a meditation, but it's not with this art, it's movement plus breathing plus the energy. So you're combining all three, it's not just one thing, right?

SPEAKER_00 10:35

And kind of one helps you lead to the next.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

Right. So now at this level, which is 19 years of practice in this, I'll do one movement and I can feel the energy flow.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Oh, that's so cool.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

So, or I can activate it right away. And even if I'm talking about like I'm talking to you right now, I can start feeling it going through my hands and then change color. This one's pretty pronounced.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:59

So, and it it'll they'll get purple sometimes. So, um to extend that to lay people, I just say there's more oxygen in your blood, and that you know, you're activating it and moving it around. Um, just to get people kind of understanding it from Western point of view, because this is a very eastern, you know, year, thousands of years of study, and and then also the movement activates it, the movement, and you and it all has to line up. Now, there are certain positions I have to perfectly line up for the energy to flow, and I have to find them and I can feel them line up. If I am off just a little bit with my hand movement or my fingers, I can feel that it's off and it's not quite right, and I'll have to change it a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

But that's also a very high level. It took me years to get there, and I wasn't expecting that or paying attention to that. I mean, I didn't know it, you know, because it was it's all through movement for me. Another people, other people are colors and auras, and other people, it's another people will be they hear something, and I get that I get auras more often. The stuff that's hearing is very rare, and then I also call it blurting stuff out when you just blurt stuff out. That comes. Um it's funny because it seems like I'm being mean because I'm it's very like blah, and I'm like very adamant about it, but I just that's not coming from me necessarily. That's coming from something behind me or something around me and telling me the message. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

And the work that you do, is there a lot, is there a strong emphasis on grounding and really being self-aware of where your feet are?

SPEAKER_02 12:55

Yes, we do a lot of grounding. I talk about grounding a lot. I talk about people's feet because we ignore our feet because we're walking them on all day. So I actually uh I've had kids, a lot of my students were kids. I had uh adults. When I have adults, it's pretty interesting. Um, adults don't like to commit as much, but they last a long time. My adults will last eight years, they'll come every week for eight years. You know, it won't be just one and done. Once they're here, once they realize what they've accomplished, what they're gonna accomplish, they keep going, they don't stop. But the grounding piece, I will like identify. I say, okay, I want you to breathe into your feet. I want you to breathe from the ground into your feet. Talk a lot about breathing, how to breathe, full breaths. Um my breathing system now is down to three breaths per minute. So that's 20 seconds and inhale, exhale.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

So that probably helps calm your nervous system quite a bit.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

Yeah, and I don't my lungs are really strong. I don't get colds in my lungs, I didn't get COVID in my lungs because they made them really strong and healthy. So, and then also training at this altitude when I go to Texas, they're like everybody's working out hard. I'm like, yeah, this you guys, I'm at 5,000 all the time. That's where I train, that's where I breathe at. So that makes a huge difference physically.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

But interesting.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

Yeah, more. If you want to hear more like the auras, I had a student that all that that student saw was in auras in colors all the time. She'd be looking at you, and that's all with colors. So then I would play with it. I change the color of my aura on purpose and then check it. So I'm always testing this out to see where I'm at and to see how it's going and see what more skills I have, what what more energy skills I have.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

Yeah, I want to talk more on that. Uh you you mentioned it took you years to find it.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

But now you have the ability to bring it in with just a couple breaths.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

So let's for the listeners that are unfamiliar with the feeling of it. Uh, you and I know what it feels like. Yes. Just talking about it gets it going, right? If you know where to go and how to find it, it comes, it's automatic as soon as you think about it and you set an intention to feel it, it shows up.

SPEAKER_01 15:45

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

So are there practices that you do with your students to help them find it?

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

I always energy practices, not necessarily movements of martial arts, but you know, the hand technique, the ball, and you know, this kind of stuff that people do to learn where the energy is and to feel the pressure.

SPEAKER_01 16:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

Is that what kind of techniques do you help your students uh learn to feel vibration?

Teaching Sensitivity: Hands And Energy Ball

SPEAKER_02 16:15

We always do start with the hands. It seems to be the easiest focal point. Um we uh putting your hands across from each other, not touching if you can feel heat, or if you can feel uh a vibration, or if they get, you know, if they get cold, they get cold, or they tingle, or something like that. Uh most people can, some can't, and it takes a while. So, and then what I do is I stick my hand in between their hands also, or I have their or they stick their hand between mine in a gap. Yeah, so that I can send my energy through my hands to see if their sensitivity is there.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

Um, that's clever.

SPEAKER_02 16:59

And that works a lot, that works very well. Um, and and then getting them to stop doing it because it's really interesting. It doesn't matter what age it is, once you start that, that's all they want to do.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

It's a switch that turns on and then you're connected to it forever.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Right, and then and then I say, okay, practice. You're sitting at your desk at work, you're sitting at home, you're just sitting there. Just place your hands across from each other and see. Because it very much is a practice. If you don't practice it, it won't happen. It doesn't, you got to do the training, you have to do the work. I'm very much about you have to do the work, and it has to be practical. If you don't do it, no, I don't expect you to. And and like I tell people, it took me two years, okay? And that was when I was in my 30s. When you're younger, of course, it's gonna happen faster because your connection to the earth, you're closer to the earth, you're close, you're more into a play, you don't have the adult environment, stress, worry, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Exactly. All the distraction of adulting, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:09

Yeah, and when you go back to grounding, we do a lot of grounding to get rid of all that stress. So a lot like the Taiki practice we do, um, which is that's the Japanese word, ki. Um Chinese, it's qi. Taiwan, it's ghee. Um, they were grounding a lot to get rid of all your stress, and then the enhanced breathing, the uh it's called a full key breath, a full breath, um, from your bottom to your top. Um that helps get rid of all that stress and anxiety, and that's where adults keep coming back for is because they want that's one of a major, and we're learning through Western medicine that it's causing a lot of organ damage and a lot of stress and you know stuff like that. So we're they're kind of Western medicine's kind of catching up to what the Asian arts already figured out, and then they implemented it into martial arts and into energy work, and they've already they've already figured that out, put it implemented into daily life, and then Western medicine is finally catching up with the science, so and that's fine, you know. Then it's easier for me to explain it to people so they can connect to it because I always have to find out what they know and and say, okay, connect it to what you know when we do the movements, connect it to what you already have. You played basketball, have you played sports, have you played golf? We're gonna connect this to what your already movements are so you can memorize it and learn it and take it home.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

Yeah, it seems to me like it's a moving meditation type of practice. Yes, very much so. Once you can feel the energy, you connect your feet and you get you you connect all those dots, you know, from the earth up, feel it in your body. Yeah, you can set a deeper intention to let certain things go.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Yeah, oh yeah. While you're in the practice, yeah, or I don't even take them on. I don't even take on people's energy anymore.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

Let's talk about that some more.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

Reflect it. I reflect it. Okay. I bounce it back, or I let it pass through me. It's interesting. Um, or I take it and transform it and use it for myself.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

Oh. Share some of that with us. You know, let's talk about your protection first.

SPEAKER_02 20:48

Well, talk about what first? Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

Let's talk about the way you protect yourself first. That's always a really great thing to share with people. A lot of, you know, everybody's a little bit empathic, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:00

Right. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

That they're aware of.

Shields, Auras, And Moving Protection

SPEAKER_02 21:06

Yeah. Everybody can be trained in this. Everybody can do this. It's innate. You just have to practice it. Like everything. It's it's it's in every human being in the planet. Doesn't matter. It's just you have to be trained in it. You have to figure it out. And you have to figure it out for yourself. Like I said, different environments. You have to figure out what works. Here's the guide, here's what works for me, stuff like that. Um, so this is kind of recent. So I realized now this is not when people are sending energy to me or when they're um emotional energy. This is physical when I transform it. If someone hits me, I can take that force, that kinetic force, and and transform it and change it. And then I just really yeah, and I just use it to amp up my energy. And I've always done that. I just finally recognized it. My first teacher would say, Oh, hit him again, it makes him stronger. And so he recognized it. And and so then when I did combat training, we started with a medical doctor who hit me, and he'd go, Oh, I didn't hit you hard enough, and he'd hit me again. And this is full combat hit. This isn't play, they're trying to hit you as hard as they can. It lifts you off your feet. But I was able, but that's I don't teach that because you got to be at a real high level to do that, plus all the legal stuff about it. I mean, we have forms you sign off on and everything. But if people really want that, I will do that. But again, I'm you're hitting with energy sensitivity as well. So you're not gonna hit a person the same way, you know, with energy. If you hit them, you gotta pay attention to that because you could hit them too hard or you could hit them with too much energy. Um, I did that last June. One of our advanced teachers, something was going on his shoulder, and I said, Okay, and I and again, this is feeling, and I just adjusted his shoulder, okay, and it fixed it. All right. But and I actually sunk my hand into his right here in his shoulder. I went like that. And then he's like, Well, now my forearm hurts. And I like, well, we released this, and you've been holding tension in here, so now you gotta work on that.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

So that's it does sneak around and move as a body worker, you know, it can travel for sure, show up in different places, and when you're at the other end of the muscles, you know, from that arm.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

Right. And both sides reflect each other. So if this one's injured, you gotta reflect the the healthy one to tell the injured one, no, you need to be like this, you need to be healthy, you move easily, stuff like that. Um, so that's that's a kinetic thing being hit and transforming, okay? And then the bouncing thing is when someone is we call it a shield multicolored from the top to the bottom, and you just set it at the beginning of the day, and then you you know, and you put that shield around. Because you don't you don't walk around thinking about this 100% of the time. All a lot of people don't. I do, but a lot of people do. I walk down the street thinking about it. I mean, I think it every time I take a breath, I'm thinking about it. So it's kind of obsessive compulsive in a way, but it works for me. Um, but that setting you set multiple colors, so that's an aura thing, too. Your shield isn't just one color, it's multiple colors to protect you from the energy coming at you. Um, and it can be anybody in a car you're driving past. It can be someone looks at you and sends some energy your way or wants to take energy from you. You know, um, we call those energy vampires. I'm sure you've heard of that.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

That's a whole episode on my podcast. I talk about energy vampires, it's a real thing. Yeah, there's quite a few of them out there.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Oh yeah, oh yeah. Every day, every day. And anybody that you're connected to has a cord, you're connected to that. Depends on how big it is, small or big. Um, doesn't matter. And that cord has energy. So um sorry, we have a cat get in a box, so now he was disturbing, knocking stuff over.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Um knocking stuff over.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Um, so that's the energy stuff. I mean, that's the kinetic hitting one, and that's the space you asked about the shield, putting a shield on so what does your shield look like?

SPEAKER_00 25:54

And you talked about different colors, but does your shield have a shape to it? Does it have a texture to it? Does it have a temperature? Tell us more about your shield, or does it does it change depending on your environment?

SPEAKER_02 26:11

Well, I usually do it in circling me, uh like a cone, upside down cone. So it's point at the top and comes down like this around my body. And then it shifts. It's completely, it's not, it's constantly moving. I don't believe in a stagnant shield um or a solid shield, it's shifting all the time and moving all the time in a color swirl. And then um, it's I call it smooth as a reference. It's had so many different systems and learned so many different things, um, you know, that the spaces in between spaces, you know about that, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:56

You understand that, you know, that you can share more on that if you want to, if you think it's relevant.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

I'm trying to think of the movie from Mary Matlin that she did a long time ago about this. Basically, this isn't a solid object, there's spaces in between, and everything shifts through it all the time, right? So if this isn't a solid object, you have to have your shield moving all the time, too, because of the spaces in between. So it has to be shifted. Yeah, that's right. Okay, so that's the other thing. When I say something really right, this flares up my third eye, goes, and I confirmation, it's like really true, and so wow, there it is.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

I said something really we're molecules, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:46

So, yeah, so that's I wish I remember that name of the movie. Since I think in pictures and not words, I can see it, but I can't remember it. It'll come back, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:57

But we're continuously moving like our body, we are energy, right? Right, we are vibrating beings on the planet, so why wouldn't our fields and our shields, you know, need to be moving all the time too to accommodate our experiences, right? Our perceptions throughout the day. That makes a lot of sense. You're the first person that I've talked to that has told me that they have a moving shield. Oh, really? Yes, yes, that's very I love that idea because as your body moves throughout the day, yeah, your shield has to be coming with you and move with your movements and reflects what you're doing too. That makes so much sense. I love that. Thank you for for bringing that to my awareness because my my shield is a bubble, yeah, and it's just I'm kind of walking with my bubble and I'm inside of it. Yeah, yeah, you know, and it's transparent and it's bouncy, so the stuff that comes to me bounces and back to them with some momentum, right? I feel like it's more of an aggressive approach where they can it bounces off of my bouncy bubble and springs boards back to them. Like, I don't want this, it's yours. Take it, you know. But my bubble doesn't change shape, it's sphere, it's round, yeah, and it continues to stay that way as I set the intention. But having my bubble be more flexible and kind of shape more shaped to my body shape and move with me more. Wow, that's that's powerful. I feel like that would be a more potent protection.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

Uh, it works for me. I think it helps a lot.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

I love that, Thomas.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

Because it's not rigid, yes. When you do something rigid, it'll shower. Oh it won't, it'll protect you for so long, and then it'll break, and then you've got a lot of extra stuff going on, and you're like, what just happened? How did this happen? Where did this where did this come from?

SPEAKER_00 30:13

Yeah, so I love that. What what else do you do as far as keeping up uh the energy and the vibration? We were gonna talk about auras. You wanted to talk on that a little bit, and we were gonna talk a little bit more about your ability to feel energy and what you do with it and how you use it to benefit your life. Do you want to talk a little bit on one of those first, and then we'll go to the next one?

Transforming Impact Into Healing

SPEAKER_02 30:43

Sure, we can talk about how it benefits me. Um at one level, I can get burned. So, like if I grab a cast iron pan up by accident or burn myself, um, I immediately release that energy and there's no burn mark and there's no sensitivity heat or anything. Took me about five years to do that, and I just completely release the energy.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

So um, really?

SPEAKER_02 31:11

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

It's like a superpower.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

Yeah, I know it's kind of it's kind of interesting because now when I get burned, I don't even really even pay attention to releasing the energy, it just does it because I'm like, oh, I got burned. Okay, release it, we're good. So but I've gotten to that level before I'd have to point my finger, direct the energy away from me, breathe. The breathing helps a lot, lots of breathing, and get it rid of it. Now it's just, oh, okay, I burned myself, move on. So it's just like anything else. So and then I don't, I also looked at it, okay. Don't when I started, it was like also the pain receptors want to be pain, right? They want to react. And I'm saying, nope, it's not, you don't need to under you don't need to listen to the pain. You didn't let it go, let the heat go, let the energy of the burn, right? Because it's energy, it's heat, right? It's kinetic movement, it's heat, um, it's searing flesh, stuff like that. Just release all that. And that's how I started. And then all then from then on, it got better and better and better. I I couldn't even tell you where I burned, burned on my body, on my hands, because it immediately releases, and then within a day or two, I don't remember where it was. So that's kind of a personal thing that I've been able to do, right? Other people do other things, but that's for me, that's what I've been able to do.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Um, is this the same kind of technique that you use when you're in physical pain from being punched in the face or when you hurt a hip or anything that comes up in training where you have a compact injury, right?

SPEAKER_01 32:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

How do you how do you release the energy from a physical injury from your practice?

SPEAKER_02 32:57

So um I would say I would always bounce it and release it right away like that. Breathe, release it, uh, focus on it. But now I'm changing that to if they hit me, I convert it to healing. Convert it to healing. So if they hit me, I'll convert it instead of so I'll internally take it and go, okay, change that. Okay, change that. So um, yeah, yeah, and just okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

Oh, so you you you switch that the momentum of the hit of the punch.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Um the force, the velocity of that energy.

SPEAKER_01 33:39

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

You you transform that into instead of pain and injury, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:46

Just oh, we're gonna heal healing and release, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:49

And you avoid getting injured. Yeah, yeah. Wow. You're an awesome dude. You got some cool stuff you're sharing with us today. This is very, very good.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

Well, I don't talk about it a lot when people see me because it throws them off. But this is my experience. I've tested this. I'm I'm I mean, I'm very much an analytical scientific mind. I keep testing and experimenting over and over and over until I get it to where I think I want it, right? I don't just go, oh, that worked for me. No, I'm like, okay, how did that work for me? Why did that work for me? What what what do I need to do to tweak it, to make it work better? Um, you know, and then sometimes like one of my I have my kid, I have people hit me. I don't have them hit a bag, I don't have them hit a punching bag or a pad or something like that. I mean, everybody loves to do that, but the problem is that if you're in self-defense and you actually have to hit somebody, it is a different feeling than a bag. It does not react the same as a bag does. And and people like doing it. I mean, they like hitting each other, and and I just don't, it's a controlled environment, so I want to make sure they do it to me.

SPEAKER_00 35:09

Right. I mean, it's as real as it gets, right?

SPEAKER_02 35:12

Right, and then they understand how it feels. Plus, if they hit me in the ribs, they're gonna hurt themselves. You know, bone hitting bone on bone, it's painful, and it can crack or fracture your hand or whatever. So I'm like, okay, you need to know the spots to hit, you know. Um, you need to know how it feels. A pad that doesn't give you any texture, that doesn't give you any any contact really. And what a pad does is it takes the energy and shoves it way back up into your shoulder, and then you end up with injuries. So um that's why I don't that's why it's more practical. So that's the energy of hitting a pad. It just because open hand is your energy releasing and closed hand is your holding your hand, and you can see I do an open hand fist. Um, closed hand is um, and I can't do it any other way. Um closed hand holds on to the energy, so now the energy is circling instead.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:09

Okay, so that's the other thing. If I don't want to release my energy, I don't, I hold on to it.

unknown 36:15

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

So letting it go.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

Yeah. It makes a lot of sense when you talk about the flow and in it's gonna release from some point in the body. Yeah. And typically it's your hands or your feet, right?

SPEAKER_02 36:33

So we connect our hands to our feet. We do energy work where I shoot the energy from my hands down into my feet. We so that's a grounding thing, but that's also connecting the two. So they're they're connected. So you're connecting your whole body, but you're connecting your feet into your hands. And you know, yeah, because the problem is that everybody has this ability, but it's just opening it up and figuring out where it comes from. When we go back to auras, like you're purple today, um a little bit. And so auras, they have these all these books that say it's this, color is this, this color is this, this color this. That's great, and that's a good, I call it a guide, but then you have to test it out for yourself and see and test it out over and over. Like my student who saw an auras all the time, orange, that is the hated color. It will stay away from orange every single time. Now, if you look up orange, it might not look like it's a color you should stay away from, but for that person, it's orange. So you have to, at least in my experience, those all the aura books are great guides, and some of them like right on, I get it, it works. But other times I got okay, so what I'll look at a person, and that has to, for me, it has to be very quiet space, very uh safe space to see the aura, and then I have, and then I go, okay, what are we what does that mean for me? How does it work for me? Because everybody's so different. I mean, you have all these different experiences that shape your life, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:24

So you can interpret, you interpret something from seeing the aura, the aura around a person's body. Do you get hits of information when you see the aura right away?

SPEAKER_02 38:35

No, it takes time, it takes time, and then I have to be repetitive. I'll look at that person over time and go, okay, this is what that means. Okay, and I get it for that person. So I'm not, I'm not, okay. Let's see, let's just take a color. Okay, it's white, you're a good person. Well, I've been actually taught white's not a good thing, you know? So um white hat, black hat, stuff like that. I've been taught that differently. But then I test it, okay. Is white a good you know, so you have to test it all the time, and you have to know the person. Um, and then you can see. Now there are people uh and um you know, you shake their hand or you go, I look at them and go, there's something not right. I don't know what it is, but there's something not right. And we've talked about this when I met you, and it took about a year for me to figure that out because I don't see that person a lot, or you know, you know, you don't have a lot of contact with them, with them. And so you have you have to wait. So it's not a snap judgment, it's more of a, you know, something's bugging me. Or or my wife will say, Hey, my friend told me this, and oh, that's why I've been looking at that, you know, that's what's been happening. Or someone I see a lot, and then they look off to me. They don't something's bothering me, there's something's wrong, but I don't know what it is, or something's happened, and then they'll say something like, Okay, now it's connected. So so I try not to judge it, I try to just let it come. If I judge It then I'm adding me, right? You're adding you when you judge something, you add you, you know. Um Jose Luis Miguel the Four Agreements.

SPEAKER_00 40:42

I read it, yes.

SPEAKER_02 40:43

Okay. Anything you anything you say about another person is really what you're telling yourself, it's really so I try and add to their story and tell a story about them because that's me.

unknown 41:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:02

Right? It's a mirroring, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Although that in the if you don't like something about somebody, if it just rubs you the wrong way, yeah. Self-reflect. You know, is that there's usually a piece to that behavior that you want to work on inside of you.

Cords, Cutting, And Long Release

SPEAKER_02 41:22

Yeah, it's a two-way street. It's always a two-way street. So if I connect a cord to you, you're connecting a cord to me, or vice versa. It's a two-way street. So that that driver drives past and sees you and connects energy to you, it's a two-way street. So, you know, you gotta get rid of it or let it go by the end of the day, or ground it. There's some other techniques too as well.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

There's yeah, those cords can be powerful too, can't they? Yeah, depending on, you know, sometimes you have to cut those cords multiple times to really feel a disconnect.

SPEAKER_02 41:57

Yeah, and I and for me, I look at it at different kinds of knives or tools to cut them with. Sometimes I'm cutting it with a samurai sword, sometimes I'm cutting it with a knife, sometimes I'm cutting it with a chainsaw. Like I want it out.

SPEAKER_00 42:13

You know, I look at it in different ways, different kinds of um that's the most I've had moments where I've done some cord cutting and I just keep pulling it, pulling it, pulling it, pulling it, pulling it, pulling it, and you know, the initial visual of it is shorter than it actually is. Because part of that cord is like in inside more of me, you know, or inside of them, but I'm always I'm always just working on myself, you know. Cut the cord and then you just keep pulling it out like a long rope until you come to the end of it. And I've had to do that a lot in my uh divorce healing, right? Yeah, right. And then there's still that it's still it's still there though. I mean, it still comes back, but it's not as strong as it was.

SPEAKER_02 43:03

Yes, and that's I've heard that over and over. Yeah, you have stuff that's been there for a long time, it takes time to release it, then you go back, it something gets triggered, and you go back to that default, we call it. You go back to that old default, and then you have to release it again. Yes, and that it's kind of a lifelong journey on some of that stuff, and people um pastor mind said, your brain tells you you're done, and you're never done for some reason. Human brain wants to be done with something. I'm done. Yeah, how many times have you we're done? We're done. No, yeah, it's not the way it works, right?

SPEAKER_00 43:50

Because you can't erase memory on purpose.

SPEAKER_02 43:54

You can't erase energy. Energy is right, it never goes away, it changes form, it changes color, it changes wave, but it never goes away.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

So the energy is there forever, so it's just lessened when you're a matter of learning how to turn the dial down, right? Yes, think of it as like a dimmer switch, and that's the same thing with me bearing burn.

SPEAKER_02 44:22

I just turned the dial down. That's all easy. I mean, that's that's what I did. I just turned it down. Went, oh, okay, I got burned, big deal. Move on. Turn the dial down. Okay. Oh, that up, that trauma came up again. Oh, oh well, it's the trauma. We know what it is. Move on, you know, and sometimes it's that easy, and sometimes it's like, okay, now I gotta go work with it. It's gonna take some.

SPEAKER_00 44:48

Yeah. I do you feel that um globally that people are becoming more sensitive and more curious about learning these kinds of things?

SPEAKER_02 45:01

Yes, and there's becoming more resistance to it, also. So, this is how this works: the closer you get, the more resistance there is.

SPEAKER_00 45:09

Right, it's unfamiliar.

SPEAKER_02 45:10

Okay, so here's an example. We moved from Michigan and Colorado. My house painting work, uh, because that's my main job. I got a$10,000 job the week before we left. The week before we left. Okay, so that was 2013. Yeah, so you you know that so is that a big deal? Yes. What do you do, right? You let it go because you know that that big resistance is because you're going the right direction, and the more resistant, the the more you need to go that direction. And I that's again, that's been proven over and over and over anecdotally in my life, my wife's life, my wife's life. Same thing. We get to a point, there's this huge resistance, and we're like, oh no, that's where we need to go, that's the direction we need to go. This is going to be a great experience because of all that resistance. So it's the push-pull thing.

SPEAKER_01 46:13

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:15

I I agree with most of that. Um, I also feel like there's there's power in moving towards fear, right? In in putting yourself in a position that creates unease.

unknown 46:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

You know, to get to get through it. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:36

Motivator.

SPEAKER_00 46:37

But there comes a time too where if that unease brings you sadness and discontent to the point where you're highly emotional and just falling apart, maybe it's time to pivot and go the opposite way.

Resistance As A Signal To Proceed

SPEAKER_02 46:53

That's not been my experience. That's when it's even that's even more of an indicator that you need to keep going. That that's even the emotional part. But it is, it's different from different people. Okay. So that you're describing my wife. The more emotional she gets, the more it goes, the more I even know this is the right path for her. And when she gets to the other side, it is. It really is. So that fear, that fear, that trauma is coming up because it's a resistance.

SPEAKER_00 47:27

Right.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

You know, it's a resistance to, oh, I'm on the right path, I'm going the right direction. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:36

Even you believe that, even if it makes you feel awful.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 47:41

It's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 47:43

Your body, your body, your your energy is resisting it because it is a change.

SPEAKER_01 47:49

Right.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

We are best changers. We I believe in change. You should change as often as you can in the right direction. I mean, you have to test it, but change is not a bad thing. When my business was going not anywhere, I made a change. I and I got a business coach. I knew this business coach for eight years. I knew this person. I knew this person could help me. But I was like, okay, gotta change. And it was eight years of resistance. But it did, it changed my business. Um made it so much better and so much healthier, yeah. And easier for me. I'm in such a better place with that business, and so it's so much easier to run it.

SPEAKER_00 48:40

Um that's a powerful and bold statement, Thomas. I see I see where you're getting, I see where you're going with it in the in the point you're trying to make. You know.

SPEAKER_02 48:56

Well, I'm a teacher, I can't help myself. I really can't. I really can't. I love I love to teach. I it's it's an it's I taught in public school for a while. Um, I love to teach. It didn't matter the systems. Unfortunately, the systems don't want to grow. They don't want to grow the student. I'm interested in empowering and growing and making that student independent and so that they can go out into the world and that they can see energy and use it. Okay, so the other combat thing about energy is and people I have had this back and forth. Don't look in their eyes, look right here, look in their eyes. Okay, add those two con statements. Don't look in their eyes because you'll see what they are. But but my teacher currently says, no, look into their eyes because you can see their energy and you can see what they are, and so I will go around in public and make eye contact with everybody on purpose to see what's going on, to test it.

SPEAKER_00 50:08

It's very telling, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 50:10

Yes, and that that also is a protection thing. You can see people, and the other day, um we my wife and I were out the other day. We walked past this young man, and then we got in the car and I said, Oh, something's not right about him. And he would not make eye contact. It was this all the way, all the time. Looking down, looking down, looking down. Um and and my wife's oh yeah, I got that feeling too. So so you know, it's and then I'm watching it. Okay, what are they going to do? You know, I have missed so many car accidents because I am paying attention to the energy of the car around. We had one last year where I'm going down the expressway from Colorado Springs to Denver. I got my whole family in the car, and we're on the expressway, and I don't speed because my name's on the side of the vehicle, so I don't speed. And two white cars dead stop traffic, and the other things came right in front of me. I missed them, missed the concrete barrier. Had I hit them, it would have flipped the vehicle, and it would have been millions of dollars. And who knows if I would be talking to you today. I know it was that, I could see it could have been that kind of accident. And we did get rear-ended by the car behind us, it was too close in the expressway, and no one got hurt. Vehicle, because it's all got totaled, but no one got hurt. Vehicle really didn't get damaged either. Small ding on the bumper. Because I was watching the people's energy, I was watching those cars, and uh, and it was here, it wasn't in front of me, it was here. I could see them coming, and I avoided it. So, and that's just the the biggest example I have right now. I see it as I because my business I drive 20,000 miles in the area a day, or I mean a a month, a year, sorry, a year, yeah. Anyway, yeah, energy helps you every day, it helps you avoid those situations. You don't want to. I mean, you go to a store and you grab the handle of the store, and if it feels weird, you don't go that way, or I go, okay, I can go home this way, this way, this way, and then I sense it. Which way should I go today? Oh, this feels right. Okay, I'll go that way.

SPEAKER_00 52:31

Yeah, I utilize that too. And when I'm behind somebody that's going too slow, yeah, I instead of getting road rage and anger, I see it as protection. Yeah. That they're slow in front of me because potentially avoiding an accident up ahead.

SPEAKER_02 52:50

Or if someone got close to me and turned in a money and okay, there's my warning. Be aware that something up ahead could be happening.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

Pay attention to.

SPEAKER_02 53:02

It's also a warning.

Eye Contact, Safety, And Street Sense

SPEAKER_00 53:04

Yeah. There's there's so much to be said for that eye contact. And when I speak with people and sit with them, I I I feel like I'm pretty good with eye contact because I'm reading them, I'm I'm interpreting different things from them. And depending on where you live, you're from the Midwest. Yes, people don't do eye contact.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 53:29

In the Midwest. You know, it's not it's not as accepted, and there's not as much openness to it. But here where we live, it seems to be more acceptable. Do we do you agree?

SPEAKER_02 53:44

Yes. Um, yeah, Michigan, no one would do eye contact. Midwest was better than Michigan, obviously. Um, but here, yeah, there's a lot more eye contact, um, but it's shifting as the population gets bigger, as we get more diverse, um, thank goodness, um the eye contact goes less. Also, um the whole energy attraction thing, which we haven't talked about. There are people that my energy is attracted to. I'm attracted to people by their energy, not by their physical looks. I'm attracted by their energy. So if someone has good energy, I'll talk to them and repeat that and make sure I spend time with them because they have good energy, and people are attracted to me by their by my inner good energy. So if you put off negative energy, you're gonna attract negative people. It's just it's that's the way it is. So and it's usually stronger. So, and then negative people will be attracted to you as well because of your positive energy. That's that's gonna happen too. I mean, it just the vampires, right? Because they see your energy, they see how positive you are in and and how much energy you have, and they're like, Well, I want some of that, which is a normal human reaction.

SPEAKER_00 55:10

Do you find um do you find it challenging when you're around people that have negative energy to keep yourself in a higher vibrational space? Like, what do you do you put up your bubble? What is it that you do to something you're around that to protect yourself?

SPEAKER_02 55:31

Yeah, I increase my positive energy. And then I get even more friendly, and then I even get more into their space.

SPEAKER_00 55:39

Ah interesting technique. Yeah, I mean, yeah, why not? With a big smile on your face. Because also, because I know it's it's my little trip. It's a game for you, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 55:51

Yeah, and then then sometimes they lower their negative energy. Yeah, because then they're like, oh, this person is not gonna be deterred by how I feel or think. They're not gonna, they're not going to stop. They're not gonna be, they're not upping the negative. Because if you up the negative towards their negative, it goes way negative. I mean, that just empowers it tenfolds, right? It's just physics and science and energy. You're you you boost the negative, it's gonna get more negative. But if you overpower it with more positive, more love, more glowing energy, stronger energy that's positive, it comes, it dents it, it penetrates it. And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. There are people that will not come up to me now on purpose that I see, like in the networking circuit and stuff like that, they will not approach me, you know, and I'm like, that's fine, you know, it you know, you know, but I'm always I up it, I increase the energy, I increase the positivity.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

Those people that won't approach you, do they feel do they feel bad to you? Like, can you feel are they lower vibration?

SPEAKER_02 57:11

Yeah, they feel shifty.

SPEAKER_00 57:12

Yeah, I feel that too.

SPEAKER_02 57:15

They feel I feel like they're my one of my two biggest things is consistency and integrity. And I boy, that's when my buttons get pushed, is when someone bops my integrity, and I'll have to work through it sometimes, you know, because it'll come out of left field or whatever, and I'm not I was surprised by it that they're questioning my integrity, and so I can see their integrity is low. I can see that they don't really believe in what they're doing, you know, they don't really believe in it, they'll sell it and they'll get money for it and they'll make a good living at it, but they don't believe in it.

SPEAKER_00 58:02

Resistance, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:05

Do you believe that that kind of resistance is something that you should walk away from if you're faking it?

SPEAKER_02 58:13

Yeah, I think it's not your true self, it's not your true path. It's yeah, and I get and I get that sometimes people do things to get to other things. Okay. Like I've house painted for 44 years, I'm really good at it. Is it what I expected to do in my life? Absolutely not. But I'm really good at it, and I'm really good at teaching people it and talking to customers. Um, so I accepted it. I just said, okay, this is what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_00 58:44

44 years, you have a lot, you're a master. You have a lot of skill around it.

SPEAKER_02 58:48

Right. And I'm really good at it. And what are there hard years where you're just looking at the clock all the time? Yeah, okay. But I believe in my product, I believe in how I produce that product, and and when the first client gets done, they're going to be happy with it because we did this high-end, high integrity product. That's not what I see with people that that want to stay away from me. They don't believe in the product they're selling. Yeah. Okay. Or the people that they're with, or the people that they're working for.

unknown 59:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:21

There's a lot of levels there, a lot of vibration, different vibrations between people, right? Yeah. They'll write to me. And you know what? Like I said, I just up the and those people will never know that because I will never tell them. Because what I've learned from my teacher is you have to ask. If you ask me, I'll tell you, but you have to ask me. Otherwise, I don't tell you. Um, and it's hard, that's hard for me because I'm a problem solver. So, and my relationship with my wife has been difficult sometimes because I want to just solve the problem, you know, and and she's not asking, but I've learned don't ask. Um, yeah, and when they ask, I'm happy to tell them because it's not, you know, with energy, some of it's from me, some of it's what I observe, some of it's the universe telling me, hey, this is what that person needs to know. I've had some physical, like breakdown emotional, physical stuff where I have to say it. And that's rare, but it does happen. And my teacher says that's because you're empathic, you're feeling.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:28

Mm-hmm.

Positive Over Negative: Raising The Field

SPEAKER_02 1:00:29

But I don't reveal that much.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:33

Just because sometimes people don't want to hear it. No, and that's why they're happy in their the space that they're in, doing going about the motions, wearing the mask, and doing all the things.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:44

And and that's great. I'm fine with that. That's if they want to live that way, that's that's their business. That's their that's the world they want. I'm fine with it. It's not a problem. You know, I understand. Um, I've got that stuff too. We all got our crap.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:01

Yeah, we all got our garbage. Yeah, and we're only human after all.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:06

So, but I will just increase the energy. That's what I always do.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:12

Because why be negative about it? That's where they're already at, and I'm not gonna live there. I don't want to live there with them.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:23

Right. Yeah. Well, that's a beautiful thing. Thank you so much, Thomas, for your wisdom.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:30

Well, I don't know, it's just hard not.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:34

All your tips and tricks that you've shared. I really appreciate it, even a very interesting story, and I really enjoyed our conversation.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:43

Thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it. I'm I have a lot of fun with this stuff. This is my passion. This is what I love.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:50

I love it. I love just you know, the conversations about, you know, the gritty, vulnerable stuff that humans go through and getting real. You know, that's what this podcast is all about is is getting real, talking about the hard stuff and you know how we moved through it and out of it and the teachings that came with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:12

So I appreciate you with your shares and having time for me today. I really am grateful for that. And I want to put all your information in the show notes. Okay. So I will attach Thomas's links to his martial arts program and any other social media contact information.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:34

I have a Facebook page, I'll send it to you that's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:37

Okay. And you you can do some remote work for people too, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:42

Yeah. Yeah. That's not it. Energy has no distance.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:47

Right. But you you have an offering of that where you can tune into people and just help them clear and whatever they may need.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:56

Do some movement, do some breathing, get the get that movement on. Um, I'll update my website with that as well because I know it's there, but I always change the language.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:07

Yeah. I love some of the techniques that you use. They are they're new to me. Oh, okay. Yeah, I've been doing this a long time. The moving bubble and the the sending the energy through and out, you know, with a different intention behind it than pain, right? That's brilliant. I love that. Yeah. So I really appreciate your time, Thomas. And uh, anything else you want to add to uh the podcast before we get off?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:37

Not that I can think of. I mean, okay, like I said, I could go on and on. Yeah, just the tip of the iceberg with the tip of the iceberg. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:46

Well, I am happy to have you back on at another time.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:49

Okay, that'd be wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:50

Yeah, that'd be wonderful. All right, everybody. Thank you for listening. Stay tuned to the next one.