No Risk. No Story
Welcome to "No Risk. No Story," the podcast. Hosted by Costa Michael, a master barber with over 10 years of experience, this show goes beyond the clippers and combs. Each episode features Costa giving a fresh haircut to a diverse range of guests, from celebrities to entrepreneurs. As the hair falls, so do the barriers, leading to candid, insightful, and often hilarious conversations. Join us, where every snip sparks a story.
No Risk. No Story
EP:001 From Estate Agent to Reality TV Star: Aaron Evans, winner of the Hit TV show The Traitors and Love Island USA star reveals it all.
Ever wondered what it's like to transition from a self-employed estate agent to a reality TV sensation? Tune in to this episode of No Risk. No Story as my guest Aaron, winner of the BBC BAFTA award winning show The Traitors is in the barber chair getting a fresh cut from Costa. Starting with an amusing recount of haircut preferences and barber shop banter, we journey through the highlights of his TV appearances on "First Dates" and "The Traitors." You'll get an insider's look at the strategies, emotions, and unexpected friendships that formed along the way.
Our guest takes us through the pivotal moments of his life, from catching the eyes of TV producers with captivating social media content to facing the moral dilemmas on "The Traitors." He shares the heartfelt decision to split prize money among contestants, emphasizing the integrity and genuine connections that reality TV often overlooks. Experience the ups and downs of managing mental health under high-pressure situations, and hear firsthand how our guest handled accusations and stress, offering invaluable insights for anyone facing similar challenges.
The conversation doesn't stop at TV fame; it also explores deeper topics like love, faith, and the quest for true purpose. From generous acts like using winnings to support family and travel the world, to the transformative power of faith and personal beliefs, this episode is a rich blend of humor, sincerity, and inspiration. Get ready to be moved by stories of resilience, the importance of shared values in relationships, and the lasting impact of understanding one's life purpose. come and join us in the barbershop.
Takeaways
> The host and guest discuss their experience on the TV show First Dates and the UK version of The Traitors.
> They talk about their preferences in dating and relationships, including their types and what they look for in a partner.
> The conversation touches on the importance of faith and the role it plays in their lives.
> They also discuss the significance of morals and values and how they shape their actions and interactions with others. Discovering one's purpose in life can bring clarity and fulfillment.
> Having faith in God can provide guidance and a sense of identity.
> Taking risks can lead to both success and failure, but can also provide valuable lessons and personal growth.
> Living with ADHD can present challenges, but it can also shape one's unique perspective and strengths.
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Welcome to Norris no Story, with myself, costa Michael and guests. On this podcast, I'll be giving out haircuts whilst having a meaningful conversation. As you can tell in the name, it's all about those that have taken risks, that they have a story to tell. My guests will be from all different backgrounds and careers, people that I've met down the line, people that have inspired me, and I hope that my conversations with them inspires you to step out and do the things that you dream to do in life as well. So enjoy and enjoy the rest of the podcast. At first, this is it. Now, what is the orders for the haircut?
Speaker 2:right. So I'm gonna go for a skin fade, so like zero, into like 0.5, into like a one. Okay. And get like a low fade as well.
Speaker 1:Okay, what are we doing? Like a taper fade? Or like a low fade, where it just drops down a bit? Whoa, I don't even know. What do you reckon is better? Tapers are nice, yeah.
Speaker 2:Taper fade. It's like a small low to the side, but obviously these like few little wispy bits here as well. I'll sort that out, that will sort it as well. And then, um, yeah, it's just gonna, just gonna go to the side oh man, I'll take some weight out as well, because you got thick hair yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, we'll do a nice taper fade bro. Yeah sweet, so we met. Yeah, I'm in first dates, first date, so what's?
Speaker 2:channel. For how long ago was that now? Like a year ago literally coming up to a year that was a mad experience yeah, because tell me, did they actually ever end up showing your?
Speaker 1:we've not aired yet. Man, no, and I don't know what that's about, because I feel like we've got a good story, but yeah, 100 and you guys were vibing as well.
Speaker 2:You were vibing good, could you tell?
Speaker 1:yeah, bro, like, but who knows? I think they're gonna show it on um. They said they'll resume it throughout the year. Yeah, they only showed like what? Seven episodes. But your episode was jokes, because you like obviously saw marina walking and you guys, little laura was like she's hot and you're like, yeah, she's blonde and I bet she ain't got adhd. And little know that she actually has ADHD. Yeah, she definitely does as well.
Speaker 2:I remember when we went out after like she was definitely buzzing and she was like oh, so what's your type? Then I was like oh, you know, blonde hair, blue eyes. And then Marina walks in and I was just like oh no, dude.
Speaker 1:She was like like her over there. I was like, yeah, kind of what's funny is that my type is brunettes, bro. And when I met fred, fred was like. He was like, um, do you mind if she's, uh, not brunette? And in my head I was like, oh gosh, I hope she's not ginger man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then like, yeah, they gave me a blondie. So that is funny, man. Yeah, I just remember you having onion barges, bro. That was it, onion barges? Yeah, I'm sure you had onion bhajis, right? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, because I remember like they couldn't.
Speaker 2:I came to your table. We had steak and everything and you just had like these appetizers, like yeah, because the waiter was just like, oh, let me do something for you. So I was just like, oh, yeah, you can just let him, yeah. And then I remember coming over to your table and you guys were like bouncing off of each other, Not literally, but yeah, yeah, almost. And then, yeah, that was when they called us out to the back.
Speaker 1:so yeah, I remember that. Yeah, that was a good experience. But yeah, tell me a bit about the. Obviously you're one of three winners of the Traitors first season.
Speaker 2:First season in the Traitors, so they just had like season two come out as well, and I watched it. That was epic harry done so well though. No, no, I was actually proud of him. I was actually like really proud of him, which is kind of like strange because obviously, coming from like the like first season, yeah, I was thinking I want the faithfuls to win. But within a few episodes I was like I actually I actually want the traitor to win, like as bad as it is, because you as a faithful, yeah, yeah, and I like and I knew and I knew how like heartbreaking it would be as well for, uh, the faithfuls when they find out that obviously, like the trade is one. But yeah, he just, he just played like such a good game the whole way through. Yeah, he was like like good what he did, he like stuck to like good story lines and like he just played it well at the end of the day, so like I feel like he deserved it.
Speaker 1:Um, and he did. He did well, what so? What made you apply for this tv show? Yeah, how did that come?
Speaker 2:about. So how did it come about? So I was I used to be like a self-employed estate agent. So I used to have like a different social media account on instagram for like all my properties and stuff. Okay, so you should be like the luxury end. So I would always do like um video tours for like all my properties and stuff. Okay, so usually like the luxury end. So I would always do like um video tours for like the houses that were like over a million pounds. So they just reached out to me and they're like oh, we've got this new TV show Like this is the concept, would you be interested? And at the time I'd left that. Well, I hadn't. I didn't actually leave that job. I actually got scammed out of like 25 000 pounds oh wow, yeah.
Speaker 2:So he was like how am I gonna make my money back, exactly. So then I. So then I switched over to like recruiting within the office and then like, obviously I have an adhd and stuff. I could just couldn't sit still. And then after like two weeks the guy said to me it's just like, look, I know you'll do well in life, but this like job clearly isn't like for you, which we were both in agreement. So through that I was just like, yeah, let me carry on doing these interviews with the traitors, went back to a state agency and then I actually found out Like I didn't have that, actually never said this before, but I actually found out after like the fourth interview, because I told the guy I basically was missed out on a house.
Speaker 2:It was like 1.5 million pounds. So I was like, look, I don't want to do this show. This is a lot of money, it's a lot of commission. I don't want to like miss out on this. I'm want to do this show. This is a lot of money, it's a lot of commission. I don't want to like miss out on this. I'm trying to do this to like, um, you know, get some money from one at the end of the day, which is where the whole storyline came from. Like the traitors as well.
Speaker 2:Okay people didn't know that.
Speaker 1:They realized that I'd been working like way before that to try and help her out, because I remember your story is that you wanted to buy our house, right, yeah?
Speaker 2:true, true and uh, yeah. So then from there I just, um, I found out that, uh, like I just said to them, I just called up the producers, I'm not, I can't do the show, I missed out on this on this property. And he was like you can't do it now, Like you're literally on the show, like don't, like, don't pull out, sort of thing. So then I had to like hold it. I couldn't tell anyone, for I already knew. So I had to pretend on the final interview that I was just like oh, no way, and be like excited and stuff. So yeah, that's kind of how I found out and went about doing all the different interviews and stuff. And yeah, then I obviously went on the show, didn't really know what to expect. We weren't really told the concepts traders there were going to be, we weren't told the prize money.
Speaker 1:How many people are there in general at the beginning, like 12 or more.
Speaker 2:So there's like 22 people, oh, 22 people. Yeah, 22 people start out. Three of them start Like, three of them get chosen through the traders.
Speaker 1:And you always wanted to be a faithful right, Did you?
Speaker 2:say that yeah, from the beginning.
Speaker 1:Why a faithful and not a traitor?
Speaker 2:I'm just. I feel like you have to be like a certain way. You have to have a good poker face and when it comes to lying like I'm, I'm no good. I feel like I'm just a very like genuine person, like I would feel so guilty my conscience as well like I don't think I'd be able to deal with it. So when they, when we found out what the, the traitors kind of had to do, I I was just like no, let me be a faithful, see how it goes. And then, yeah, looking back now, I feel like if you want to go on the show, being a traitor is the way forward. You've definitely got a higher chance of getting to the end and winning. But yeah, I just knew I had to be a faithful, otherwise I wasn't.
Speaker 1:It's deep because those that are good, good at lying, just like you, come out and it's like everyone's just like. I can't even trust you anymore. Like, yeah, yeah, this is all.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, exactly so it's. It's difficult, but I think also from the traders point of view it's difficult for them because you know, at the beginning, the first three episodes is, I felt like, from watching it back and and knowing what they went through, I feel like it's quite easy.
Speaker 2:But then you start developing like friendships isn't it and, and, yeah, and, and even even myself at the end. Um, so you get, you get brought into to one of these like side rooms they're called myths and and they were saying they were like, oh, like, would you want to split it? And I was just like, regardless of if anyone was here was a traitor and I had the option to to split with everyone. I'll happily just split with everyone because I didn't know the day, like well, they asked you that during filming, like during, yeah, yeah they said to me.
Speaker 2:They were like oh you know, do you think, as a traitor, are you happy to split? I was like, I'm more than happy right now to split at four ways 25 000 pounds each. Well, um, and I said I was like, even if there is a traitor right now, obviously I had my like what stage was this?
Speaker 1:how many of you was like?
Speaker 2:this was at the end.
Speaker 1:This is like this is right. I remember will was the tray and he played it so good man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he played it, he did. He did play it well, he did play it super well. Um, but there's like a couple of things that weren't quite shown on the show. Okay, that kind of like led people to think, or maybe, that he was a traitor. Yeah, but he was a traitor, what was that? You'd have to share it, yeah. So I'll say it because you know you're the boy. So there was a. There's a bit where, like, kieran and and will went into like a little side room yeah, and kieran got recruited late in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah here and get some recruited later towards the end. And then he, um, and then they went into the side room and they and they were having a conversation and I was stood outside and I was just like listening and they were like, look, we just need to stick to the plan, like we'll get aaron out. And then I kind of was like just sussing out. And then, obviously, when kieran gets kicked out, um, he, obviously, you know, I said his is what was it two years like the passing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then after that I was just like right, kind of putting two, two together, I was just like will's gotta be.
Speaker 2:Like he has to be um, yeah, but the way that they kind of show it and stuff it kind of leads you to believe that it possibly might like we don't know it's him or not. But yeah, I kind of had a good, good sort of like I remember the way kieran left.
Speaker 1:He was like he just gave up right. It's like in that last yeah round table bit. He's just like I'm going and he's just like he didn't even fight. Yeah, so do you want to?
Speaker 2:know like another thing as well. Yeah, um, so we, so we were in, obviously, in the car on the final challenge, uh, where I had to like jump out of the helicopter and, uh, you go around like that speedboat. And I was just telling him how like I wanted to have this money for my mom and, um, unfortunately, like his mom passed away a few years earlier and I was just saying how like close I am to her and that's what he told me, was this like sort of like pinnacle point where he was just like no, I've got, like he was just going to leave and let Will win, and he's just like no, I'm going to make sure that people know. And then, from that point onwards, yeah, Wow man.
Speaker 1:So really 8-0 in a minute.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Kieran was a G and then like we bonded like over that as well and he was just he didn't obviously want will to walk away with it.
Speaker 1:Um, so yeah, because he always knew. I think when he got recruited he just didn't trust will no way, because he knew what will did to the other traders, right, and he was like, yeah, he's gonna play a game with me and he's like I want to fight and then, obviously, once he knew he was a traitor as well with me and he's like I want to fight.
Speaker 2:And then obviously, once he knew he was a traitor as well, he could, um, he kind of figured it out that he obviously got a little bit of a lissa. He then got rid of mamba as well. So it's like well, alissa, I felt sorry for alissa man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bless the listener man she was like she was on it. She was sussing the wheel out all the time. Right, my thinking. Right, it was her in it for every round, but no one was really listening. What was your take on that? Yeah, I mean, like she even put it on you though, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, she put it. She had it on you for the whole time as well. Yeah, so she was right with will, but she was so wrong with you and I was like no, no, I was not a traitor yeah, that was so.
Speaker 2:So it was maddie as well. I'm sorry, maddie. Maddie's, I'm thinking of you. Yeah, maddy Alyssa was the with the traitor. Okay, she, he eventually, like will, took out. Uh, yeah, but Maddy, man she was. I actually genuinely think it wasn't. If it wasn't for Maddy going for me from the beginning and putting so much heat on me, yeah, I probably would have gone way earlier. That's crazy. Just because Maddy was just on it from the start, like accusing me, obviously the traitors then couldn't get rid of me because it would have made it too like suspicious. Um.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I feel like I owe it a lot to maddie as well, like she's probably a big reason why I stayed in for so long yeah, because I think you was in like the final three, maybe once or twice, you know, yeah, and I was like, oh my days, this guy who's yeah, it literally could have gone home at any moment.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, like there's two or three different occasions and, um, yeah, it's absolutely like that. First time in episode three, when I had like the panic attack, yeah, like at that point I was like, well, I'm a goner, but then I can take it so how come that happened, like what led to the?
Speaker 1:have you had a panic attack before?
Speaker 2:no, so that that was kind of the the strange thing.
Speaker 2:Um, during that sort of like that time when it was happening, like I I didn't realize what was going on and like I've never had a panic attack before, but the only way I can kind of describe it, I don't know whether you have or haven't I was like breathing and I was like my lungs were full and I couldn't breathe anymore. I was like I just felt like I had to get out of there and that was at the round table, wasn't it? Yeah, that was at the round table. And then you can kind of see in like a split seconds when I go outside, and they like started calming me down because I'm because obviously they show you I was outside for like 10 seconds, but I was out there for like five minutes going through like breathing and stuff, and then, um, and then, like at the end, towards the end, I was just like I just asked.
Speaker 2:I was like what, like what's going on? And I started like laughing because I was like I don't know what's going on right now. Um, and then walked back in and yeah, and then it wasn't until like afterwards I realized when I talked to the psych that it was actually. Yeah, I just had a panic geez, what's the recovery like?
Speaker 1:how long was it before you went back in the room?
Speaker 2:so yeah, best part of like five five, five. Okay, yeah easily.
Speaker 1:So wow man, that was hard man yeah to overcome that yeah.
Speaker 2:So, and I was, I was lucky enough to like have the runners there. They, they like obviously knew exactly how to like deal with it, just going through like, like, sort of like breathing techniques, and then after that, um, yeah, obviously I still kind of didn't realize. People didn't believe you had a panic attack.
Speaker 2:That's just so cruel, man on episode four they were still accusing me and I was thinking like they were saying I had like crocodile tears and I was thinking like jesus christ, I was like, yeah, you should go out for the oscars I was like yeah, yeah I was like god, I was even then. I was just so knackered, I was so tired, I was like I couldn't, I couldn't even argue, I couldn't even like fight my point or anything like that.
Speaker 2:So I don't blame you yeah, so I just kind of like, let like let them give it to me sort of thing, and uh, and then, yeah, obviously. Then then john sort of had his like little crocodile tear moment, as you would say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he got up and got like walked out and I was just there like so when he confronted you in the living room uh, was that after the panic attack or before?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So just after, after I had that like the moment where, like I had a panic attack, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we then like we then kind of like dispersed and everyone kind of goes into like separate rooms, kind of like discusses, exactly what was going on, and obviously like I just went like a breather and then amanda and faye and matt came to like sort of like my like rescue, just kind of like walking me through it, and then, um, I don't know what came over me.
Speaker 2:I actually heard them in the next room like talking and I usually I wouldn't ever like confront like situations like that, um, but I just I don't know what, like what happened. I just like just like went for it, because I'm not like having people like talking crap sort of thing. Um, like I just didn't like just didn't really appreciate it. So then when I was like kind of having that like discussion with him and he was accusing me of like lying and stuff, then that was like when I was just like he started like shouting sort of thing and I was just like, why are you shouting?
Speaker 1:yeah, and you did? You have a feeling that he was always a faithful or a traitor himself?
Speaker 2:I'd make. This is the thing you have. Like you question everyone when you're in there, so you don't know. But I think I think a big thing is is like that I tried not to do is accuse someone of being a traitor. That I just didn't like. Yeah, it makes it personal, yeah, yeah, I didn't, I didn't want to make it personal, so that's exactly it, yeah who made it personal.
Speaker 2:You felt then like you or not really, um, I mean, I mean, if you watch the american one, I feel like it's all personal, like as soon as they don't like anyone. They just go in, yeah, and then the next day they're again.
Speaker 1:They're like they're sweet with them and they go I think if we went on the tray as american, they'll just think we're faithful yeah maybe because always an english guy is a villain right in american movies. So maybe I think we're a traitor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, potentially yeah, I mean, this is what I'm like a little bit nervous about at the moment because obviously, going like in a few weeks time yeah, I don't even know if I'm allowed to say it or not yeah, so you might have to, you might have to cut this, all right?
Speaker 1:all right, tell me before but yeah, so you're looking to find love again. Yeah, yeah, basically every dating show possible?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, yeah. So first dates can do it. So now I'm going to be going on love island with the american version, um, so that's so. Yeah, that'll be in a few weeks time, but I'll. It's obviously american, right, so they're gonna be all american bro they're gonna love you man.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know. Dude, I need to trim you up before you leave.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what, that's what I'm saying. I'm gonna have this trim as I go on to the show, so, okay, I'm gonna have to come back before, uh, before I go out there. Yeah, man, you can sort me out again.
Speaker 1:100, um, so yeah how did that come about?
Speaker 2:they approached you, yeah, so the american, american version of the traces is obviously like filmed in the same place sim castle. Um, oh really, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, so if you watch the, american one that's in scotland as well. Yeah, they have similar well, even like kind of similar challenges.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and then, uh, one of the producers was like, oh, why don't we get someone on the show like like aaron aaron from from season one of the traces in the uk version? And then I think one of the producers said to me they're like oh, why don't we actually just see if I could come on? Um. So they reached out to me and at the time I kind of was like, didn't really think it was going to happen. So I kind of just like went along with it and kind of had the same approaches as as the interviews with the, the traitors, and I was just like, let me just kind of go along with it, like enjoy it, enjoy the process, not think too much of it. Um, and I did just that. Yeah, just found out the other day. I'm going going on, that's sick, that's exciting, scary though.
Speaker 1:So when it comes to women, you like, uh, blondes, right? Yeah, so I always say, like blondes are blue eyes.
Speaker 2:It's your weakness, yeah, your kryptonite. Yeah, I'll definitely say that's not my kryptonite. But then at the end of the day, like whenever you get to to know someone, like their personality, obviously that can like change everything. Yeah, if you look at my exes as well, like, um, how many exes have you had, like officially now, probably, like I'll say three. Now, oh, is, is it? Yeah, fair enough. And the last two, both, both.
Speaker 1:Brunette brown eyes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, brunette, brown eyes. So it was only my first step, but I've actually gone. Hardy eyes, wow, wow, yeah, yeah, I can see myself from a reflection. It's looking good. Yes, oh, yeah, which reflection.
Speaker 1:Are you looking at Right over there in the mirror, is it? Yeah, oh, you're looking smooth, mate, mate. So you literally gave her the winnings, or like was it?
Speaker 2:yeah, well, I think it was 33 000 pounds. You didn't get anything. You liked like no, no, I did. I did what did you get?
Speaker 1:what did you treat yourself to? Yeah?
Speaker 2:I did, um, I took back. Well, I asked, I gave you the 33 grand and I was like, oh, mom, can I just have three grand back because I want to go traveling? So yeah, so she, she obviously gave us like three grand and then, yeah, a couple of months later I went off travelling, went all around Thailand for about six weeks and that was kind of like my sort of like little getaway, nice bro.
Speaker 1:I like that. Yeah, travelling bro. At least you didn't waste it on something materialistic that you get excited about and then it just dies down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, exactly. So excited about and then it just dies down. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I was happy with that. And then, obviously, after the travelling, jumped back into work again, got into yachting. So, yeah, back on the grind again, trying to save off as much money to get this house. So what about you? How long have you been hairdressing for?
Speaker 1:Or like Barbara, I've been doing this for like it's ten years now. Ten years, yeah, man, I just turned 30, like 30. Yeah, I didn't think it's 30. I appreciate that. No, no, no, I just turned 30 faster much, no way. Yeah, which I share the same birthday as jb with funny enough.
Speaker 2:No way, happy birthday for them. I think I'm fairly sure I wish you happy birthday anyway, but, cheers, I sent you that little video oh yeah, you did, bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, marina, sweet that. Oh, bro, appreciate that. That brought a smile to my face, man, yeah she's like can you sort this thing out?
Speaker 2:and I was like, yeah, of course. I was like doing 69 days on the boat and I was like I must have looked shattered and I was just like it was fine, it was so nice because, like she surprise tripped me to Morocco as well.
Speaker 1:No way, yeah. So I didn't know like where I was going and she was like she said that we leave like 10 past 8 in the morning. Yeah, so when you go to the airport, like, just don't look at those like time boards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I remember I went to get us food and by accident I caught I at like 10 past 8 boarding and it's like Naples and I was like, oh, I'm going to Naples. I've never been to Naples. So we're now boarding the flight and the sign on the like the airplane bill was like Agadir and I'm like where the frick is Agadir? This sounds like it's a made-up word. Man, I'm looking at all the people like what nationality? They look like Italian.
Speaker 2:So I'm lining up.
Speaker 1:I'm like where you taking me? What's Agadir? And then I asked the guy and he was like bravo, you don't know Morocco.
Speaker 2:Agadir. I was like how we going Morocco, so I was like you must have, you must have been seeing each other what like nine months now without putting a label on it.
Speaker 1:We've just seen each other and stuff and, um, yeah, only till like last week, we were like, yeah, we don't know if it's working like last week saturday. So yeah yeah, it's just, but we're still good. We're still maybe two weeks virtually, but we're still good yeah you guys seem like well suited.
Speaker 2:I'm on the show. They matched us crazy like I'm.
Speaker 1:She like. They found me on my instagram, so I don't know what was going on in life. But I'll just do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I like taking risks and yolo part of the name but yeah, they matched us because, like for me, like my faith, is really important. So I want to meet someone that's like a Christian and that has strong core values as me, but also I love like fashion and I love creativity and yeah, and like we both want to do our own stuff in life and both want to actually want to live in America and I didn't tell channel four producers that because I was scared if I told them I just want to go America, I might not get picked. So on the date she was like where do you see yourself in like three years? I said, well, to be honest, marina, I see myself living in America. And she was like no way.
Speaker 1:I'm just moving my business to LA. I'm in the process of lawyers now getting a visa and what in the world are you serious? And then she's like, yeah, and I'm like, but you're british, I was expecting to marry an american, so all right, then I'll be with you for your visa, no problem. I didn't say that to her but I was like, yeah, like you're just crazy, let's go. And I just got my um b1, b2 visa like last year as well where I'm allowed six months at a time up to 10 years yep um, but yeah, I feel like what, bro, what's the chances of like?
Speaker 1:meeting, yeah, the producers actually don't know that vital part about both of us. So, and whenever I share that story, people think it's like love, fate, like it's a sign, like you're meant to be with each other. So there's crazy stuff, but she's inspired me to even do like my clothing brand yeah, because she has a jewelry brand and it's like, since her bro, I've made my stuff, I'm getting stuff made. Um, both want to be doing what we're doing, like podcasts and stuff.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, you guys were really well suited like I remember like you think so yeah, 100 yeah, nice, nice like after afterwards obviously, like when we went for like drinks and stuff after at the restaurant, like I just I don't know. I feel like you guys like hit it off, like really well, and I I'll actually like really like to as well, like four years after, like this is actually crazy good. And then I remember, like heading back home, uh, the next day, and you're like, oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna stay here for a few more days and I was like no way, dude we stayed, yeah, yeah, that's sick, it's mad.
Speaker 1:Because we went, we went, we went bath the next day and we went to the actual bath. I've never been, yeah, and it was a nice spa day, having coffee. And then, like the day after I'm going back to London, she was like yeah, I'm meeting up a friend. So I actually took her to my church that Sunday morning. No way, yeah, yeah. And then I'm like yeah, I just met this girl on a tv show, like two days ago, and I'm like who does this stuff, man? Like yeah, I'm like wisdom should have said like just wait it out.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, yeah, I'm like I'm literally that guy, but I don't give a crap, I just do things. Yeah, you just got, yeah 100%, 100%.
Speaker 2:So I'm actually gonna go back to what you said earlier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, about like faith and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because there was a guy on on on my last boat.
Speaker 2:He like as um was religious, but only recently, in like the last I don't know like year or so, and he's kind of like explaining to me like um, like what religion is to him and stuff like that. And then I kind of was thinking about it quite a lot and in my head the way that I kind of like explained it to myself in like layman terms, it's basically people like living by like a set of rules which makes them like kind of the best sort of people that they are, um, and like having like good morals and values, basically. And then the more that I was thinking about it, I don't I don't think I would, I believe in like god or anything, but I think when it comes to like the morals and the values and stuff like that, like I actually like shared quite a lot of what like he was like telling me as well and he was a christian guy yeah, yeah, christian yeah and yeah, he was and and the way he was kind of explaining it and stuff, it actually like really got me thinking.
Speaker 2:I was just like I don't know about the god side, but in terms of like the, the morals and the values and how you like treat people and how like, um, you like respect people and stuff like that, I actually like really like kind of like it makes more sense?
Speaker 2:yeah, it makes like a lot of sense, um, and then when you kind of like break it down like that, I was thinking like it's actually like a really good thing to to sort of like believe in, um, so I enjoyed it I find that there's a, there's two questions.
Speaker 1:I feel like the most people discover and want to know the most. Two important questions is like like what's your purpose or why you're here, yeah, and what happens after you die?
Speaker 1:yeah and, like you, they are big questions. But when you discover those two things, everything makes sense. Yeah, because for me it's like I was raised in a christian home. My mom was very like strong believer in god and jesus and stuff and she used to drag me to church and I hated church. Yeah, because I'm a football fan and the weekends were football. Yeah and um, I remember like, yeah, it was just boring man. I was like I don't, I don't want to be here.
Speaker 1:But when I was like 16, 17 I think you mature a bit and I think that's like an average age where people want to discover who they are and what they want to do in life. And I remember just like going to college, like what do I do? Do I couldn't pursue art and design or what else and I remember just praying on a tuesday night. I remember everything detailed. I was like god, I believe you're real, but I need help in my life. I don't know what I'm doing. And there was this like inclination where, just like sunday's coming, just go to church. So I was like, all right, forget football. It was Arsenal at the time and they were doing all right, but then they started not doing well. So I was like, yeah, I want to go to church.
Speaker 1:I went to church and uh, yeah, it was this church that I was brought up in. And everyone's like, oh, you've grown so much. And blah, blah. And this woman come to me, bro, I swear to you like this, this woman, or I've never met her in my life and she says young man, I just want to share this word with you. And I was like, yeah, what is it? She said I feel like God is just want to tell you that you know you don't have to worry what you're going to do next, and that he's got your plans in your life and just trust him. And blah, blah, blah, blah. And everything she's saying is like she heard me on Tuesday yeah you know, like bro literally pinpoint everything and I was shocked.
Speaker 1:I was like I'm like, what in the world are you like serious? It's like, yeah, I just wanted to share that encouragement. I was like you've really blessed me and I was like I went home and I felt, god, you heard me. I don't know who this woman is, but you've just answered me. And then I got connected with like the youth ministry there. Like my mom's friend was like this guy that was into drugs and he was like bad growing up and he became a christian a year before me and now he's like leading the youth. Then he's like, yeah, come, come to our service. And he was cool and I remember just being young and I was like I've never met a christian. That's cool. Yeah, yeah, you know, like that is actually like could be with like the young generation but also like be serious about god.
Speaker 1:So I started getting plugged in and I realized that my life has actually got a purpose. You know it's like I'm here for a reason I do not believe in. Like coincidence there's for me. There's no, that is the chance of things happening is like it's crazy. So I believe that we're here, because if you think that you're here for a purpose. It puts things into perspective. So if I'm here for a purpose, I'm not here by accident. Even if your parents made you by accident, you're still not here by accident because I believe in that god. God formed us in our mother's wombs. That's what the bible said. So it's like if I was to say to you, aaron now, like, what do you feel is your purpose in life? What is the first thing that comes to your mind?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'll see. I'll see that this is what I've been like asking myself like recently and I think it like at the moment, it's like just like supporting like my family and stuff and like helping them out as much as possible. Um, and the reason I actually started asking myself so this is crazy that you said about the purpose thing. I saw this documentary on Netflix. Um, it's like well worth watching. It's called like blue zone, okay, and they just basically like pinpointed like five different areas um in the world where people would live to an average age of like over a hundred. Um, and when they went there and like discovered like there was like five different areas. Um, most of the time, all these different like uh zones had something like in common, yeah, something like. One was like nutrition, was health, was having like healthy relationships around you. Um, so like good, like uh family and friend network.
Speaker 2:Um, I can't remember the fourth, like the fifth one, but, and then the fourth one was like what's your purpose in life? And the people that had a purpose or like just were just a lot happier and would live a lot happier and, um, obviously like would live to to this average age of 100. And there's this small island in china, and when you first go to the hospital, if you have any problems, they'll ask you first, what's your name, what's your address, and then the third thing is, like what's your purpose in life? Yeah, that's what they ask you and, um, they've really like push it on people to have like a purpose and and that that that means you know you'll have a healthier life and you'll get you, you'll live to be like older and stuff. And then since I like watched that, then I started like asking myself what what actually like is like my purpose?
Speaker 2:Um, and then it's crazy, because the guy's name is called george. He's, um the christian on the last boat and he, he talked about it as well, and I was like god, this purpose thing keeps coming up over and over again. And I was like right, I need to start like finding out what actually is my purpose, and I think at the moment it is just to like support my family, get this house for mom. Yeah, help them out. First, my brother's just got into a new job, so, okay, um, like anything that I can do to like sort of support him. Um, it's kind of like what? Like what I want right now, so that's really good. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy like this that this word just keeps popping up and the fact that you just said it then like they're out of the purpose.
Speaker 1:I'm like this is massive on this I feel like if people would realize why they were created in the first place, and like like what they're here for is. It changes everything. So like if you fulfilled all these things that are on your heart like your mum got the dream home and you've helped so many people then it's like you have to ask the question what else would be fulfilling to you?
Speaker 1:It's like it's good morals, like it's normal to like want to bless family and become like, like the best version. And you know it's like there's a story in the bible it comes to. It's like this you know you've heard the story of like joseph in the multicolored dream quote. Have you heard that?
Speaker 2:I've actually not heard of it okay.
Speaker 1:So there's like even like a musical about it. But, um, there was this like this kid from like a big family, I don't know. He had like 12 brothers in there and he was like the dad's favorite, but the brothers, they didn't like it because they were jealous of him. So they sold their brother into slavery and they made out to their dad that he got murdered. But, lo and behold, they made out he died. But they sold him to Egyptians and he ended up going to Egypt and he ended up becoming a server in the king's house.
Speaker 1:Lo and behold, he became an heir to the throne of Egypt and there was a famine that was happening in the land years later and Joseph, the people would come. Joseph recognized these. I think there were two of his brothers came for help, saying we need food, and they didn't recognize joseph now because he was in all the egyptian gear and that, and they're like we need help and recognizing them because he hasn't seen him for maybe like 30 years. I may be wrong, but this is a story he tells all the servants in the building um, go out, get out of here, everyone get out. And the people are scared. Now they think they're gonna like get killed or something, and then he takes off his like gear.
Speaker 1:Imagine you see your brothers, bro, after selling you into slavery, making out you died because, they're all jealous of you and now you're like an heir of, like an egyptian throne and you've got all the power and you've had this favor. And god was with him and he literally looks at them and they recognize him straight when they ask for forgiveness and, uh, he gives them everything they need. Everything they need the family, the wealth, like the food they need, even when the famine, and you know he forgives his brothers there. And then there's this reconciliation and it's like his god took him through this journey of like life sometimes is like, not always like a to b, and he still provided for his family, even though it didn't look like it was a great thing, like yeah and it's like that's what reminds me that we all have this thing where we actually we're going to help our family, you know, because it's good morals yeah, and
Speaker 1:like you, even for that, joseph, that was. Joseph's purpose is to go through all of that and no matter what you go through life like, one day you'll get to that point where you could give them everything. But then it's like what's next? Then? What is next? And that's where I feel like it comes down to the identity part now, because you could do all the good things. But then like, okay, why am I, aaron, like I could give so much to the world, but like, why am I even here and what am I even meant to do?
Speaker 1:On a bigger scale, um, and I'll tell you plainly that, first and foremost, we discover that by knowing who god is. And you might have questions and you might be like agnostic, like I don't know if there's a god or or whatnot, but you don't know if you don't ask and if you don't seek and if you don't knock on the door, like things, things will happen, god will show himself. Um, and when you, when you realize that it's just, it's like a puzzle coming together in life, like you keep hearing this word purpose and I don't believe it's like coincidence, but it's for you to discover.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, definitely. But just like to tell you that, like the Christian faith is just different from every For someone that travels so well and you're in Asia and you meet with so many different people and like you're going to where, like Fiji. Next, like there's so many religions out there, so many, so many of like like people's truths, quotation marks but there could only be one truth. If you think about it, you can't have like I can't get you like a pack of, say, m&ms and ones from aldi and ones like got that actual m&m and ones from like tesco's m&ms and that's another way out. Like they look like them, but you know what's an actual, real M&M, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, like there's so many religions out there and they're all similar, but the only one could be true. It's like you can't have many truths because there's no such thing.
Speaker 2:It's like being in the traitors man.
Speaker 1:It's like you're either a faithful or you're a traitor. You can't half faith. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it's like and that's what that's for everyone to discover. I feel in this journey of life is life's not promised, we're not promised tomorrow and it's today that counts but, like, your relationship with god is the most important thing so I've got a question for you then.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so what's? What's your purpose?
Speaker 1:good, good question, mate. I like it. I feel like my purpose is partly to to use the gifts god's given me. Example like what I'm doing now. I really feel like I'm in my purpose with what I'm doing now, like cutting hair and capturing content, and I've got purpose just to like share my faith. I feel like I live my life so that at the end day for me, god gets the glory in whatever I do and, um, funny enough that this, this, has come around to that, but it's literally to bring god glory in whatever it is, if that's in my clothing brand, if that's in cutting hair, whatever I find that I'm doing, I do it for god and then he gets to glory. Um, I want to have a, a good life. I want to be able to be financially like well and all these dreams. But you know, like without going deep, like my mom passed away two years ago to cancer and I've never, ever seen like like.
Speaker 1:This is like vivid, but it's like I saw her life. I saw her her gone and it's like I go to her bedroom and I see her jewelry boxes and I see all her jewelry and I see her books still there and I see her dressing gowns and I see everything and I'm like you live this life, but what do you take with?
Speaker 1:you, you take nothing it's crazy it's like that's hard man it's like everything that she was, her, her identity, wrapped up in these things. You take nothing, even your house, and it's like everything that she was, her, her identity, wrapped up in these things. You take nothing, even your house, and it's like where do you go after you go? And I realized in that moment how important eternity was, because I'm like she just transferred from this reality to, I believe, is another reality which is called heaven, and I believe she's with god and jesus right now and she's healed and she's a well and it's like she leaves behind me and three other siblings and my dad. But we're strong because of our faith and it's like I could fall back on my faith. You know, I don't fall back on just the loss. It's like without God, I don't know where I'd be, I don't know if I'll be here, because there was a moment after that where I was even suicidal and I was like I can't be laughing about my mum and I'm sure you could relate because you're so close to your mum
Speaker 1:you know I'm sorry to make it like deep like that, but it's like God wants the best for us and I have questions. Obviously I'm real as well. It's like why cancer and God? Like I believe that you heal and like there's all these other questions people say about God, like why cancer and god? Like I believe that you heal and like there's all these other questions people say about god, like why is there sicknesses? Why is there famines? Why is there earthquakes?
Speaker 1:But I heard someone say to me and I'm mumbling on, but it's like if there's soap in the world and there's like all this stuff, then why is there like homeless people that look dirty?
Speaker 1:You know that this stuff actually exists, but without applying it to your life, you're not going to actually know it's real and like I don't know that example might be bad, but it's like you can't just say, oh, because there's sicknesses and earthquakes, god is not real. It's like we're in this world together and it's a messed up world and you see it more even when you travel at different cultures. But I feel like everyone has this longing to know who they are and want world peace and want all this, but the only resolution to it is Jesus. For me, it's like, until people acknowledge that Jesus is coming back, he died on the cross for our sins and he's the answer to everyone's man's greatest needs, then we're never going to be where we're at. And we look at the world today and it's actually just insanely crazy man, I'm sorry to hear that about your mom as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, like the mom thing. Yeah, I process grief every day. It's it's not easy, but like yeah, partly to answer that, partly, my purpose is to live on her legacy. Yeah, you know I don't want to like fail her. I want her to be like you know she believed in me. She like fail her. I want her to be like you know she believed in me, she believed in my dreams. You pushed me to like do what you want to do, like go and live life. And yeah, it's crazy, man, it's actually crazy, yeah. So here's a question. Part of the podcast it's called no risk, no story. I want to know your greatest risk. You've taken great risk, yeah, and what's your story from it?
Speaker 2:success and failures if you raise this risk and greatest story. So I'm going to say the greatest risk I probably took was, um, in my third year of uni doing, doing that self-employed estate agency. So I was still doing my my agency thing, um, my my uni thing at the time and I'd never, never, sold houses, I never knew anything about the industry and I was just like I want to earn my own money. I want to do, um, you know, I want to be in control of how much money I earn, because my big, my big thing which really frustrated me was when I, when I used to work in in my uncle's pub, is like you would, you know, I'd work 110, 120, you'd you'd be like at it all shift and then be someone else that'd be like walking around and they'd be working like that, say 60, 70, and at the end of that shift you'd you'd both be giving like the same tips, you both get 20 quid and that you should drive them at the wall like what, why? Why? Like if I'm working so much harder than this person, should they be getting the same? Yeah, yeah. So it kind of came from that. So it's like well, I want to be in charge of my own money. I want to be in charge of how hard I work and this.
Speaker 2:So I just decided to take the leap and and I worked for. I worked for that guy for like best part of eight to nine months and and I mean the story behind it was like I I got in the second quarter. I was like the top five, um, top five in the company of 80 people and the only other four people that are, above all, like senior partners, um, so they they'd been around for a lot longer than I had and and I sold best part of like lot longer than I had, and I sold best part of like 3.3 million pounds worth like houses wow, like one three months, which is like even if you were to walk into like a high street estate agency, their goal isn't even like that and like out of five people they wouldn't even their goal isn't even to do like 1.5 or 2 million. And then I just I managed to do like that sort of figure. So that was kind of like my one of my like biggest things and like biggest drivers back then was to to kind of get, get this money and do all of this and then unfortunately, um in in about the period of like a about like 10 days.
Speaker 2:I was meant to get paid. Uh, I was meant to earn like the best part of like 25 000, 25 000 pounds worth of like commission. Um, and then the guy you know we had, like it was like a deal with this company and he took 50. I took 50, he was going to get his 25 grand share anyway, um, and and then kind of what I heard through through the the web sort of thing is, is that he was obviously in like a bit of financial hardship so he just cut me out of the business, just screwed me over, and then, once all this happened and that came out, um, I learned that it happened to a lot of other people. But then in my head I was like you know, I went through like a period where I was like I just laid in bed for like three days straight like blinds closed, like I just didn't know what to do.
Speaker 2:I was just like just literally physically I was like I've worked so hard, I've done like 70, 80 hours of like, really like, really like try to make this work. Um, then just to be like treated like that cut out and you know that 25 000 pounds, like again. I was like I wanted to take a bit and I wanted to go off by myself, um, and then I wanted to give this other chunk to to my mom, um, which is why I obviously asked her for a bit of money back, uh fair enough, but I'm gonna turn this around right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this, this is what was crazy is that the 25 000 pounds was actually meant to be 33 000 pounds, um, but once a house realized one of the properties I was selling realized what happened to me, they pulled out the deal.
Speaker 2:They didn't want to give him any of the money, so they pulled out the deal, so they literally had their house sold.
Speaker 2:It's meant to be exchanging and completing, which essentially just means you just hand the keys over to the next person, um, a few weeks later and they just which is a big thing for like, then they just said, like I don't want them to to him to get the money, so they just completely pulled out, which is crazy, because the house was worth like 975 000 and they were going to move on and so so the fact that they did that was like for me, it was like quite touching anyway, but that thirty few thousand pounds, obviously.
Speaker 2:Then I went on onto the traces, yeah, and in my head I was just like I'm gonna earn back that 25 grand that I like missed out on um, that's incredible earlier, and then obviously will be in the tracer, him out of the mix, then took up to 33 000 and I was like, how mad is it that I've, like I, lost out on that 25 grand. I was meant to get paid 33 000 pounds and then I went on the show six months later thinking I was about to win 25 grand and then it actually turned out to be 33. So then that was like that was driving me up the wall, because I was like that, like you said, coincidence, that can't be coincidence?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that can't be.
Speaker 2:I was like full circle. I was like this is mad. And then, um, and then, when, when obviously the show went out, a couple of the guys from from the agency they messaged me and they're like I was like, bro, this like the fact that this has happened to you, just like like sure, he's like that, um, one of the girls is like you, like you're such a good person, like you deserve that money, so the fact that you've earned the money, I'm so happy for you and all this, yeah, yeah, like thinking what is that? Like, that is crazy. Like just to think that that money did like a full circle thing. And then I earned that money back and I was just like man, there's got to be something like yeah I hear you, I was like what is that about?
Speaker 2:like that's just nuts, like just them two figures, and I was just like yeah I'm glad that worked out, bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in an everyday story I'll tell you that yeah, so to yeah to answer.
Speaker 2:To answer your question, I guess like kind of like my biggest risk was was doing that, and then that was a big failure and and then I learned a lot doing that job because I essentially like ran it myself, like everything every step of the way, from beginning to end of, of even trying to find this property in the first place, um, convincing them to sell with me selling the property, taking them through the whole process, like just learning that like showed me that I could actually do whatever, like I wanted to and as long as I put my mind to it, like everyone told me at the beginning, don't do it, it's too risky. You're gonna do this like the next thing. Um, because I had to invest a lot of money in it at the beginning as well. Um, it just kind of taught me I was just like you can actually do whatever you want as long as you put your mind to it. So, like like now, I just everything I approach.
Speaker 2:I think there's like a process and people think that you're going to get things overnight and when you don't get it overnight, you're like just to give up. But I can't think, understanding that process and understanding that you just have to keep grinding. I was, I was. I would say it's a rule of three. Whatever you think you have to do, times that by three, and that's what you actually have to do. So, um, yeah, so I, I just think now, whatever I do in life, if I always think that it's difficult, I say you just need to work super hard towards it and just keep going, because eventually it will happen. And then, yeah, I think that's kind of the biggest thing, awesome. I like that one. Yeah, yeah. So that's kind of that's what I took from that whole kind of journey.
Speaker 2:There you go and you got your reward, taking those risks, and then full circle, and then and then also, what's crazy about it is I would have never gone on the traitors if I, if I never did that social media account to do the video tours from the properties so that linked on to the traitors and finding me in the first place.
Speaker 1:So I would have never done that show if it was never to have been true, and then you would not go approaching first dates, and then you'll never met me exactly in this chair right now that's getting this fresh haircut, yeah exactly so. Oh, bro, I'm happy to hear that man. All right, let's show you this trim. How are we looking? How are we looking? Yeah, yeah I'm excited.
Speaker 2:You know I've not had a good shoe in so long, like right it's looking smooth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, come on. So this is the taper fade. I don't know if you can see in the mirror. Yes, let's go. Can you see behind you like this?
Speaker 2:yeah, hold on, wait, I'm trying to throw that looks sick. I'm buzzing, I'm buzzing, bro. Yeah, I'm ready for another first date.
Speaker 1:That's not gonna work I'm gonna spin you so you could see. Look, let's go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it looks sick bro.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much bro and how is it living with? Like? How is it with adhd as well, bro, what is that like?
Speaker 2:like it's. You know what's. What I kind of do do like now is that it's so kind of in the spotlight, but I found out I originally had it back when I was like well, I actually found out that when I was 8 or 9 years old, when I was in Spain, they actually took me for tests. Oh is it? Yeah, because they thought I had something and they said to my parents they're like he does have something, but unless you um want to carry it on, we're not going to be like we can't find out exactly what it is, just because it was going to cost too much money so what was you just like?
Speaker 1:what hyperactive at school?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, super, super hyperactive. Like something that sticks out in my memory quite a lot is um, at the end of like your school year, you always get a picture with all of the class, right, I don't know if they do that in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, in spain that's what you did, and, um, and in the picture everyone's looking forward and I was literally looking like in the complete wrong way and in the uh kind of like one of the like last sessions, when they go through your grades and stuff, the teacher uh kind of pointed out they're like he can't concentrate on anything. Even in this picture he's not even concentrating on like the on, on taking the picture, like all he has to do is look forward. And I couldn't, I was just like looking everywhere else. And I still have that picture now.
Speaker 2:Um, and then yeah, and then I kind of like like mom always said like she kind of knew I had something she wasn't 100 sure back then, like adhd wasn't ever talked about, especially in spain as well, no one had it, and people used to say like, oh, like you're so hyperactive, but in a bad way, whereas I think now it's more taken as in a good way, and it wasn't until the first year of uni when I went um and actually got diagnosed and then I found out that I had adhd and they threw a bit of a mild dyslexia in there as well. They tested the dyslexia as well and I was like, oh'll just say, you know, you got dyslexia. And I was like sweet. I was like, yeah, you probably explained school, your life explains everything.
Speaker 2:So then, then, as soon as I found that out, I was just like I'd already lived with it at that at that point and I'd already like figured out for myself, kind of like, how I had to approach school differently to other people. Um, so I'd kind of like already realized and discovered that all for myself. But it's quite a nice feeling just realizing like, oh, actually, the reason why you're like this is because of this. Yeah, yeah, and at the time they, they, uh, they wanted to put me on like medication and stuff, but my mum like looked into it and, um, and I did. I did actually start a bit of medication for a while, but it kind of I don't really know how to explain it, but it kind of like makes you quite numb. You don't really like what with emotions or yeah, like you're, just like numb inside, so I quickly came off of it.
Speaker 2:Um and and stop, stop taking it because I just think any, any sort of medication, I, I, I completely agree you. You have to take medication for for some things, but for me personally in my life, I didn't like the way I felt on it, so I just came off of it fair enough.
Speaker 1:Fair enough and you cope with it without. That is yeah, exactly, I've got. Yeah, I cope.
Speaker 2:It makes you for who you are 26 years now. So I thought do you know what I can? I can do? I can do a few more years. Well, it's uh yeah, and as I've got older as well, I feel like that's kind of like made me who I am, um, and it's probably got it, got me to where I am today.
Speaker 1:So I pretty as long as it doesn't get you in trouble, it's all good bro, exactly bro. Keep getting you on Love Island and these TV shows Exactly, yeah, sweet, how are we looking Lovely, bro? Yeah, yes, that was sick, bro. Nice one, thank you, loved it. Legend of a Ski. Appreciate that.