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Athena and Her Mom on THC - #82

May 23, 2026 • OfficialHeir • Season 1 • Episode 82

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Episode 82 of The Heir Cast is a special Mother’s Day episode as Athena The Dom returns — but this time alongside her mother for one of the most heartfelt and honest conversations we’ve had yet.

We dive into their unforgettable cross-country journey during the pandemic, the realities of navigating a career in OnlyFans with supportive family dynamics, and the importance of understanding over judgment. Athena’s mom opens up about her own background in photography and how that creative path unexpectedly paralleled Athena’s rise online.

The conversation gets deep, funny, awkward, wholesome, and surprisingly inspiring as we explore generational differences, trust, independence, and what it really means to support your children in an unconventional world. We also draft some of the best mother-daughter bonding activities and reflect on the importance of family connection in modern times.

A genuinely fun and good-hearted episode with laughs, honesty, and a lot more substance than people might expect.

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

One thing about it, I look, she raised me right. I'm the most confident cocky woman you will ever meet. Like I love it. I love the attention. I love to run way.

SPEAKER_05 0:10

Runway is a great way to take ten thousand pictures in a night and not make a document. And your children if your child doesn't speak to you and is doesn't have the courage to come and say, Hey mom, I'm gonna do it. Oli fans, you'll lose them real quick.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 0:24

And I never want to lose that. I want to always be open, and even if it's something I don't understand and I don't comprehend Jamaican food with men, okay. Teach me, tell me. I may never do it, but I can be okay as long as you're safe.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

I don't trust myself after all the pain I'm hell. I know myself too well.

SPEAKER_07 0:51

Yes, we are, and we're already rolling. Welcome back, folks. Thank you for tuning in. If you don't already subscribe, if you don't already just like the video because I could see in the future, and I know you're gonna love this one. It's a special time. It's my first time ever, our first time ever having a mother-daughter combo on the podcast. It's incredible. Pretty pretty cool stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

I brought my mama, y'all.

SPEAKER_07 1:12

Yes, welcome back to Athena. Athena's back if you all don't remember. And then she brought Mama Athena over here.

SPEAKER_05 1:18

Hey, I'm Sarah. I'm excited to be here.

SPEAKER_07 1:21

So, ladies, here on the Aircast, we start with the important questions because the people, the fam, everywhere wants to know. Uh, what was it like the first time you picked up a camera?

SPEAKER_05 1:29

Oh my gosh. First I didn't know what I was doing, and then I fell in love. Capturing beauty and art and what was the context of it?

SPEAKER_07 1:36

Like, is this cool? Like what's the first time?

SPEAKER_05 1:39

Uh gym basket gym volleyball. Yeah. Trying to capture her playing gym volleyball. Oh, really? Just supportive mom stuff? And it just grew really quick, and then one time we stumbled into um a runway show.

SPEAKER_07 1:53

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_05 1:54

And that was a catalyst, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:56

Wow. Okay, and then uh what how what what grade are you like playing volleyball in? Is this high school volleyball?

SPEAKER_02 2:01

Yeah, so I played all throughout high school. I played like six, seven years straight, um, club, indoor, beach. And so we started because the indoor lighting in the gym was so bad, and she was like, I can't figure out how to get this yellow out. And so it kind of became this whole thing of like she had to learn editing, she had to learn settings on her camera because you know she was just there all the time. It was what you know was currently going on in my life.

SPEAKER_07 2:24

Hands-on, gotta be hands-on. That's the best way to learn. That's really good. And then so let's educate the audience a little bit. So you get into photography, and then I guess that's I guess the natural pathway for Athena to start modeling.

SPEAKER_03 2:36

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_07 2:37

Got it, all got it.

SPEAKER_05 2:38

Right. Hand in hand, and we did New York Fashion Week, and we did all kinds of divine shoots. We did so many creativity. Um, even in on the road trip during COVID, we were still shooting in different places and exploring.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

She's in a hundred and ten magazines.

SPEAKER_07 2:56

A hundred and ten, wow.

SPEAKER_02 2:57

Yeah, including Africa.

SPEAKER_07 2:59

That's more than the Dalmatians. That's crazy. Okay. And then what what I guess what's is it like your first publication being in a magazine? Is that the proper terminology? Like what's your first publication? Published. Yeah, published.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

Okay, she's in books too, though. Books?

SPEAKER_07 3:14

Okay, cool. So a lot of fashion stuff is is more like primarily the stuff.

SPEAKER_05 3:17

Editorial fashion. Um, and right now, since our communities keep changing, um, doing a lot of sports, having a lot of fun, but right now it's just all for pleasure. I'm just loving going out, capturing, going to the beach, going wherever there are people, wherever there's whatever, just going and shooting and shooting and shooting and trying different lights, different styles. It's really fun.

SPEAKER_07 3:38

No box to it, just just constantly doing different work, different challenging adults.

SPEAKER_05 3:42

Explore. Gotta learn.

SPEAKER_07 3:44

No genre. Yeah, I can relate to that like musically, you know, like uh coming from like I guess a rap backer was like oh, you rap. It's like, no, I sing, I love country, I love you know pop, I love Spanish. Like there's all kinds of different ways to do it.

SPEAKER_05 3:54

So it's hard to just because music, music, and photography are the same. You can there's so many venues, and so many ways to explore. Nice. Music's amazing too.

SPEAKER_07 4:02

Has that they never got behind the camera or always in front of the camera?

SPEAKER_02 4:05

So a little bit, like for a second there, especially during COVID when we needed money. We started doing weddings. And so I would be her second shooter. Nice. Um, so we would do different weddings. We did a wedding in Puerto Rico, we did a wedding in Colorado, a bunch of different weddings when we we kind of needed to hustle. Um, now they're not our favorite thing to do. That's working. They're a little, they're a little stressful and a lot going on. Um I can imagine. But yeah, so I'll kind of be her second shooter during some volleyball tournaments if she needed me, I'll be her second. But I don't know nearly as much as she knows, you know. I know the little bit from watching her edit. I don't know nothing about the camera settings. She sets it, and I just go about myself. I say she's from dropping.

SPEAKER_05 4:51

She's very respectful.

SPEAKER_07 4:53

It's a good, good, good uh dynamic duel, good tag team. Uh, but yeah, that's good that at least you've got your hands dirty, I guess, for lack of better words, you know, get getting and and that's as a model, I could see where that maybe helps you, you know, being on camera now because you don't understand what to look for, what the what the photographer needs from you. So that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 5:11

100% because like when we were really doing high fashion editorial looks, I would under I would watch her edit. I would watch her set up the lights, so I knew exactly what I was looking for. I knew where to turn my body, how to turn my jawline, because I'm watching her set up, I'm watching her edit in real life time, so you get that back insight that helped out so much.

SPEAKER_07 5:32

That's cool, that's really nice. Okay, and did you ever uh when you first started, well, yeah, I guess I was gonna ask when you first started doing photography, did you think you you'd be filming for uh her so much? But it started with me. Definitely, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:46

She she's never been camera shy. Okay, no, self-esteem is not an issue.

SPEAKER_03 5:51

It's never been an issue.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

One thing about it, I look, she raised me right. I'm the most confident, cocky woman you will ever meet. Like, I love it, I love the attention. I loved Runway in a way because like being on stage and just seeing all the eyes on you, like, and then that translated into dancing, like being on stage, all the eyes, all the money.

SPEAKER_03 6:13

Like, I love the attention. I'm an attention whore.

SPEAKER_07 6:15

Like so outside of filming her playing sports, and then uh um, I guess so. What was your first work outside of the volleyball? Like after that, like uh what yeah, we started runway.

SPEAKER_05 6:28

Runway, so and runway is a great way to take 10,000 pictures in a night and not make a dollar.

SPEAKER_07 6:33

Do you start with Athena or like do you start do you get a gig like working a runway and then you like get Athena in there?

SPEAKER_05 6:39

No, we start together.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 6:41

We both both in the simultaneously at the same time, you as a mom or her as a photographer.

SPEAKER_02 6:46

Because once like basically, like once we got into run one runway, um, once again it's a community. So then it just kind of started growing and growing and growing, and it was already a thing of like, okay, I'm walking mamas at the end. Like, and so we got in with these huge communities of runway shows, and that like allowed us to travel to go do New York Fashion Week to different cities to do all these different things, and it was like a perfect little pair. And then also, like, I would help out backstage as well, and then she would also help out on the outside of the stage. So it just we're both really hard workers and we're both good at what we do, so it just worked line in line of us to start doing these runaway shows together.

SPEAKER_07 7:24

And so, what's the timeline here? So you when when's I guess uh when when does high school finish for you? When's that timeline? Uh close to COVID, is it?

SPEAKER_02 7:30

So I actually um went to college a year early instead of doing my senior year. So I started college at 17, and that's when I ended my volleyball career um to go to college. Uh, we were modeling heavy at that point. Um, I started working at a financial office. I was in my real bougie bitch era, it was fire. Um, and then we basically did that up until 2019, 2020. Yeah. When COVID happened.

SPEAKER_07 7:56

You were born 2000, right, Athena? Yeah. Yeah. I'm a 2000 baby. So so imagine if you start college as 20.

SPEAKER_02 8:02

I think you're 17 years old in college, and so you kind of go with uh so yeah, I got my associates in business at 19. So thankfully I've completed that degree before our whole road trip adventure took place and it kind of tossed up because there was no way I could have been able to continue classes going through that. But I had graduated that December, we left where we were living in March, and that's when we ended up being on the road for a really long time.

SPEAKER_07 8:30

Yeah, the whole world shut down in March. Um and anything. We talked about the road briefly on our last episode. Uh, if you all haven't seen it, go check it out now. Draw it right here. And but uh I and we you mentioned it now this time, and you guys look at it kind of like a road trip, and then you know, the first time we brought it up on the podcast, it was a bit sad, you know, the kind of like the the the way the conversation turned. But you know, it's just real, it's a real moment. So I kind of want to look back on that. What what do you both when you look back on those times? What is it fear? Is it like uh is it hope? Like what do you think of that error? Like, what comes to your mind?

SPEAKER_05 9:00

It was such an amazing, chaotic, just stressful, scary time.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

Wow. We met so many people.

SPEAKER_05 9:07

We did so many things we didn't think we could do. But the police knocking on your window saying you can't sleep here is just a crummy feeling. Not knowing where you're gonna sleep was the worst. Was the absolute worst, but met all kinds of people. That was an amazing experience when you look back on it, but but it is really nice to be there at home, you know.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

That was the difficult aspect of it, is it was like I don't want to look back and be like, oh, this was just such a negative experience because it was not there were so many positive things about it, but the way that the world it felt like because one, the whole world shut down, yeah, but two, we were so isolated. Like when I tell you we're going to a place, we do not know anything about this place. We are putting it into our maps, and we are going somewhere, and we have no clue, it's a completely different culture, it's brand new, we don't know one soul there, and you're forced to rebuild. And we did that rebuilding over and over and over again, and it was incredibly exhausting, but it made us so strong and it taught us so much that like looking back, we can look at it and like kind of laugh at it, but we can also look back and remember the pain of being like, damn, we were really going through it.

SPEAKER_05 10:27

I always laugh when people romanticize bad life.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

I'm like, oh gosh, oh no, no, that wasn't romantic, yeah. And when I say like she is the only person I could have ever gone through that with, ever. Like, there is no one else on this earth that I could have had that experience with. So, like when I talk to people and they're like, Oh, I want to go travel the US for a year with my boyfriend, I'm like, Do you? Yes, are you sure? Because like, like the amount of getting to trust each other and to understand each other and be gentle with each other when you're going through that much mentally to like like okay, so like my thing, I hate mornings. She hates morning. I hate mornings, y'all. Oh my gosh. I hate mornings.

SPEAKER_07 11:12

I'm not a morning person, it's hard.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

And I hate it, and we would literally camp somewhere, and we would wake up, and she's such a morning person, she's bright and early, up, all this stuff. We would wake up and we would completely break down camp without saying one word. Because I could not do mornings, and the stress was so high, it was literally too much for my brain to handle. So instead of her being like, Oh, well, you just need to get over it, oh, this, that, the third, she understood that and she met me with that, and she said, You know what, we're going through this really hard time. If this is what you need to do to get through this, okay. And so we would not talk, and she would not say anything until I started talking first. A hundred percent. That's that's why I say, like, we have been through so much together that it's like it is a whole new level, and meaning it's like this is my dog, like this is like this is my baby.

SPEAKER_05 12:07

We had Tootsie Pops. We've discovered we don't do a lot of caffeine because if you're doing the energy drink, she crashed.

SPEAKER_06 12:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:14

And we were we did eventually set a limit that we couldn't drive more than 10 hours a day. It's just not good for you. So we would drink suck on Tootsie Pops, and so that like day four, she's like, there's a proper way to do that. You are making noise when you're looking that you cannot do that ever again. So now every time I every time I get a Tootsie Pop, I've got to politically do it where it makes no sound.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

But it was things like that that like I don't know why that felt so heavy for me. Like, I don't know like why that was my breaking point, but like it was, and like when we were driving, we would drive from um from Denver to Vegas frequently, and we go over mountain ranges, and like there's this time I'm like, Mama, I got it, don't worry, you can sleep. I got it. She woke up and the 18 wheelers are passing me. I am going so slow over this mountain range. I have both hands, and I'm like, I'm finna we're finna fall off the side of the cliff. Like, we're gonna fall off the side of the cliff. There isn't no we were gonna interstate birth. I didn't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_07 13:17

The being express when it is about to be the side of the room, we had two room.

SPEAKER_02 13:22

No, no, no, I said no, I said yeah, and she started laughing. I'm like, no, you I'm not laughing. Like, we got a switch right now. I can't do this shit. So it was like we learned each other in a whole different level of like when you are pushed to that pressure, it's just a completely different level of like having to get to know each other and just being gentle with each other and understanding each other, and that's why it's like now we we can look back and be like, you know what, okay, and like through that we did get so much stronger, our relationship got so much stronger, but like damn, it was it was a journey.

SPEAKER_07 13:56

Yeah, gratis to you, Bob. So you were about to say something.

SPEAKER_05 13:58

We learned that um towards the end that money was super tight, food was super tight, but every fourth day, if we didn't take a shower, we would murder each other. So every fourth day we got a hotel. They were not nice hotels, and we would shower for like 30 minutes and we'd lay in bed and we'd say, We could live here. We could live in this room. We would say that over and over again. It's got sheets, it's got a pillow, and then we were like so ratcheted. We're good, it's got lock on the door, we're just gonna stay until clock out to the 11.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

We're leaving at 10.59. We stayed in some of the most ratchet hotels. I mean, the hotels, and we ended up like living in a lot of hotels. And I mean, they were terrible. The most ratchet one we stayed in was in San Diego, California.

SPEAKER_05 14:45

Oh my gosh, it was so bad. It was so bad.

SPEAKER_07 14:49

We have uh an issue with um a lot of meth, right? That thing was.

SPEAKER_05 14:53

Well, they were f they were filming Ninja Disability Porn. Ninja Disability Porn?

SPEAKER_02 14:58

And literally had a sign on the door that said filming in progress. That's crazy. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 15:04

We pulled up and we were like, oh, we'd already paid because we're gonna be able to get it.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

We paid and we couldn't lose the money.

SPEAKER_05 15:10

We couldn't lose the money. We had to pull everything we could out of the car because we knew it was going to be gone. And there was like there was a small person, and then there was a rather large person sitting outside this door.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

Oh my gosh. And there's um heart, uh, what is it? Heart, the little the stickers remember.

SPEAKER_05 15:28

Oh, yeah, they had EKG pads all over the walls, you know, like children in the hospital and they're running an EKG to test your heart. There's the little pads and they were on the stairs.

SPEAKER_02 15:38

The shower didn't work.

SPEAKER_06 15:40

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

The electricity that's what we needed. That's what we needed so bad. The shower did not work, and when we called, they were like, Did you try turning it on? And we were like, no shit. Um, the the power outlights did not work unless a certain light switch was on. No, you had there were motion detection.

SPEAKER_05 15:56

So to charge our phone, we had to kick our leg constantly.

SPEAKER_07 16:00

We gotta love a good booby trap house.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

It was so bad. It was so bad, and we knew we knew we could not because we had a camper on top, like a little um soft that we would keep our sleeping pads in, we would keep our tent in. We said we gotta bring all this in. We said that we know this will be gone.

SPEAKER_05 16:19

And of course we blocked the doors because we went down in the morning and they were filming porn, and we were like, all those people draw oh my, that was wrong.

SPEAKER_03 16:30

Yeah, that one was bad. That was really bad. After that, we we we just midget orgy. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_07 16:38

Okay, and then throughout all this, all this midget porn and all these this travel and stuff, camping. You're also working in the medical field during this time?

SPEAKER_05 16:46

Well, for the first seven months we had no income, which was why we were a little hungry. Uh, we lived for two weeks on a giant chair of peanut butter and a big box of clipboards. And I will never eat another. Never again.

SPEAKER_02 16:58

I would have died for the five. I'm allergic to the peanut butter. Oh, you would have died. Well, I tell you, we we survived off that for multiple days, like never again.

SPEAKER_05 17:06

So, yeah, so and then finally we got our first job down um in Eagle Pass, and it was COVID, and I worked medical, and it was all COVID. And so you got to deal with the complexities of people hating you because you work in a COVID unit, and yet watching people die because you work in a COVID unit, um, and just the whole world changing.

SPEAKER_07 17:27

Yeah, that's that's crazy. How was that emotionally for you?

SPEAKER_05 17:30

Like just um, I was so grateful to have a job and an Airbnb, but um Eagle Pass is an amazing town, and every person in these facilities was well loved. It's a very small town and it's a very family-oriented town. And so you're walking in and you and there were three people in the town who did not speak Spanish.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

We were two of them. We were two of them. Wow. Um, and for those who don't know, Eagle Pass, Texas is literally on the border of Mexico. Okay. Like literally, we used to go to this park, and half of it was Mexico, half of it was U.S. It's a big border town, people crossed through a lot of it. Yeah, like on the border of Mexico.

SPEAKER_07 18:07

South of El Paso, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So down from El Paso, it was above Laredo. Laredo. Yeah, like an hour above Laredo.

SPEAKER_05 18:15

The wall and go eat lunch on the river.

unknown 18:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:20

And the kindest people, sweetest. The best people. Monarchs. The best people. I have great memories of that place.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

Honestly, looking back, like that was that was crazy for us to do, but that was one of the neatest places we lived because it was just so different. We had never been a minority before. Like in my life, we're white women, we had never been a minority before. Tallest person in the whole town. And they would either cuss me out in Spanish or try to marry me. There was that was it. That was that's all we were getting, and like, and I didn't know what they were saying. And my coworkers are like, and I'm like, dog, I don't know what they're saying, like it doesn't affect me. Um, but like that just changed our perspective on life and on just real life issues that they deal with as we're watching them, you know, like their families literally live right across the border, they're over here, you know. Like it changed our perspective of how we just viewed everything, and it gave us experience to a culture that we had never experienced before in that deck.

SPEAKER_07 19:23

Wow, and then so all this moving around is uh is Eagle Pass up there in like the favorite places that you visited?

SPEAKER_02 19:30

Eagle Pass was cool, you know. Eagle Pass was a vibe. I've had a couple people that still follow me on Instagram from there, and they're like, Are you gonna come back? And I'm like, babe. Probably not, but probably not. It's in the middle, it's it's out there, it's out there, it's probably like 27 hours from here if you're driving.

SPEAKER_05 19:48

It's two hours south of San Antonio, which is the closest English-speaking radio station.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

Yes, yeah. Like when I tell y'all this is like on the border of Mexico, but it was so cool. It was funny. I I started going to like basically like a Hispanic CrossFit there, and after like three weeks of going, Hispanic Crossfit. No, it really was. It was called Kumu Fitness. Um, after like three weeks of going, the head guy he would translate for me, and one of the girls goes, You don't speak Spanish. I said, No, Mama, I don't speak Spanish. She said, Oh, we just thought you didn't talk.

unknown 20:21

Babe.

SPEAKER_06 20:22

Strong inside the time.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Babe. Like, so it was so neat. We had this little bakery that we would go to all the time that was just wonderful.

SPEAKER_05 20:31

And like, yeah, we came home one day and there was a tranchula. But you spotted all the buttons.

SPEAKER_02 20:38

On the doorbell, Ranchula, bro, right above the door.

SPEAKER_05 20:42

We called the owner of the Airbnb, and he didn't speak Spanish, so he put his nine-year-old English, his nine-year-old on the phone, and they're like, hey, what's up? And I'm like, Big in. We thought they were gonna be all tough. No, they came in welding gloves and a snow shovel and just killed that thing, and they're like, it's gonna rain. And we're like, okay. They're like, absolutely, it's gonna rain. And we're like, can we just go in? And it it rains. It rained.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

It rained, it rained. It was so funny, but we were not. I mean, that that was a spider. That was that was it. That was it. And that was it's so funny because we look back and like that was actually one of the nicest Airbnbs we lived with.

SPEAKER_04 21:28

I thought it was gonna go up from there.

SPEAKER_02 21:30

No, that was actually one of the nicest ones we lived in.

SPEAKER_07 21:33

Well, I guess when you think about it, you know, like uh good properties have like a lot of wildlife on it and stuff, so I guess you know, Taranthora's a big animal. Arachnid.

SPEAKER_05 21:44

They're venomous, right? Well, we didn't touch them.

SPEAKER_03 21:47

We I we didn't get that close. I have no idea.

SPEAKER_05 21:53

When we asked the neighbors, we're like, whose chickens are these because we didn't know the culture? And they're like, I mean, people

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Own chickens. There were just chickens and dogs everywhere. Oh, yeah. I mean, I highly uh and and but like like different like this was like more like countryside, so right, so this was a very small town, so it wasn't like there was a large population, it wasn't like you were like posted up next to your neighbors, and there would just be chickens and dogs, just everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 22:21

Rural, very rural, a lot of property. Yeah, you know they laughed. Yeah, you know they laughed at us. Oh, yeah. Those people over there thought someone owns the chickens.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

Yeah, yeah, it was a mess.

SPEAKER_07 22:32

Well, I mean, in high leal, you know, we we give names to our chickens sometimes. So uh so throughout all this, is there a moment that do you realize that, like, okay, you know, I th I think we're we're gonna be okay. It's it's gonna like it sounds like you guys were so amazing.

SPEAKER_05 22:50

Still having that moment. There were times like our favorite place is Moab. Yeah. And we were camping out on Moab and we stayed awake till the bats flew over the Colorado River and we woke up when the sun hit the red sandstone, and you hit that moment of peace that's just priceless, and there's no electricity, there's no phones, it's you know, but yeah, we're gonna be okay. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

It was like I have to be honest, we were in that state of mind for so long that even now, like we are stable, we have a good life. Even now, I have these moments of like freaking out because I'm like, but what if this, what if this, what if this? Well, if everything falls through, what if we don't have a place to go? Like, even now, because we just lived in that state of mind for so long, that it's it's hard to untrain your brain of like it's okay. We say this every time we get too stressed. We're like, we have a bed, we have a home. Because we did not have a bed for 556 days. We didn't run in water, yeah. Yeah, when we got them, we were so hype. We were so hype. So it's like the things that you don't really consider that you don't really like, you know, your day-to-day things that you don't even care, like, those are the things that now we gravitate. So, like now, like we do have this awesome apartment, and like I have a room that I've created to be my sanctuary, and so it's like, no, like I can really sit there at night and be like, you know what? No matter what happens, no matter what's gonna be the next move, we have a place to live, we have a place to sleep, we can get through this.

SPEAKER_07 24:16

Yeah, it's beautiful, very well worded, amen. Sorry to my dad. Uh, and why Miami? What makes you all say Miami?

SPEAKER_05 24:25

We were in New Orleans, and New Orleans is amazing and incredible. The people, the culture, amazing, no beaches, and the job didn't work out for me. And this one just wanted to be down here, and why not?

SPEAKER_07 24:41

Have you had you ever had ever been here before?

SPEAKER_02 24:43

So I had been here, I had walked into art basil a couple of times before. Um, I started doing air basil when I was like 17. So I was coming down here by myself at 17. Okay. Um, but before our road trip, we had had the consideration of like, okay, like we kind of had this like whim thought, like, okay, we want we want to move to Miami. But then we also thought that about like LA, and then we went out to LA and we're like, well, we don't want to live in LA. Um, so then when we finally did get to a spot where we were in New Orleans for a year, and we were like, okay, what's the next, like, what's the more long-term goal we're going? It was between Miami and St. Petersburg.

unknown 25:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

I'm not gonna lie, she was leaning a little bit more towards St. Petersburg, and I was like, Mama, I hear you. But but hear me out.

SPEAKER_07 25:29

I don't like her place, believe it or not, that much.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

And I like I didn't know what it was, but I just had this feeling on me, and I was like, we gotta do Miami. Like, we gotta do Miami. Like she knew what it was. Don't let her fool you. She knew exactly what she wanted. You know, I I did like I wanted to experience the lifestyle of Miami, you know, the the city, and just like the different, like I didn't realize how many different cultures. I didn't realize how diverse it is. How diverse it's here. Wow, and we have fallen in love with that. Like when when we first got down here, we just started trying different bakery bakeries from different cultures that we'll be there for a minute.

SPEAKER_05 26:07

We we had nothing to do, we didn't know anyone, so we just started much money yet, so we just bakeries at restaurants, and I have fallen in love.

SPEAKER_07 26:15

Cheap, convenient, good quality shakes.

SPEAKER_05 26:17

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 26:18

Kosha bakeries.

SPEAKER_07 26:19

What'd you fall in love with first? Kosha Bakery? Kosher Bakeries.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

Oh Sonny's Bakery. Oh my gosh. Sunny's Bakery has the best cinnamon roll in cigars ever.

SPEAKER_05 26:30

That's my Thursday morning treatment. And cigars? Yeah the chocolate rolled one. So my routine Thursday morning, I get up, because I don't work on Thursdays. I get up, I watch the sunrise on the beach, then I go to Sunny's, I get an almond croissant, a Starbucks, life is good.

SPEAKER_07 26:46

What's the Starbucks order?

SPEAKER_05 26:47

Sunny's is on the beach, it's in it's in North Miami. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

Yeah, North Miami.

SPEAKER_05 26:52

And it's a little brick building with one door. It's tiny.

SPEAKER_07 26:56

What's the Starbucks order, Mom? Uh, right now it's coffee frap. Okay, coffee frap, great.

SPEAKER_05 27:01

Something cold and light. Yeah, that's where we are now.

SPEAKER_07 27:04

What about you, Ethino? What's your go-to over?

SPEAKER_02 27:06

Um, so recently I've kind of like gone into like the Cuban coffee. So I'm kinda like, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 27:11

What was the morning routine like, Mom? Say it again. You were saying with the uh Oh, Thursday mornings? Oh, because you're off, right? Because it's off day. Okay, so what's the off-day morning routine like?

SPEAKER_05 27:19

Get up, run to the beach, watch the sunrise, get my peace, get my relaxation, finish there, go to Sunny's, get an almond croissant, get a Starbucks. My soul is so happy.

SPEAKER_07 27:32

I love that.

SPEAKER_05 27:32

It's so peaceful.

SPEAKER_07 27:34

And what about you? What was your uh order, Athena? What what are you what's your go-to?

SPEAKER_02 27:40

My morning routine right now is miserable.

SPEAKER_07 27:43

Not a big morning person.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

No, right now my mornings are starting at 3 30 in the morning.

SPEAKER_07 27:47

Oh, for for work, right?

SPEAKER_02 27:49

Yes. So, like, that's been the hard part. It's like I can't even get coffee. Nothing's open. I just got a raw dog.

SPEAKER_07 27:59

Just how much money would Starbucks make if they were 24 hours? Pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_02 28:04

I don't even know, but they I need something in the mornings. It's it's rough.

SPEAKER_07 28:11

Yeah, um, it's tough. Yeah, I'm starting to one thing that that's really helped me a lot is like staggering. Like instead of drinking coffee right when you wake up, drink it like, you know, like kind of like mom said, you know, after doing a couple hours worth of activities, and then it's it's actually there's a lot of health benefits of drinking the coffee black, you know. Yeah. As long as you don't add sugar, cream, all that other stuff is where we're really hurting.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

So that's what kind of why I got behind the Cuban coffee, just the little shots. Yeah. Because I was like, I don't really I don't really need the extra sugar, the extra creamers. It's yeah, but like I when I got into the trades, it got into it the same sense they would bring it out in the mornings, and I you know, I'm like in the trades and the woman, so I can't be like, oh, I don't want it. So I'm like, yeah, let me do this. And then I kind of got behind it. And so now like I'm kind of leaning towards that, like moving forward with my life. I would rather just get that instead of just getting like a whole drink that's maybe gonna do the same effect, maybe not, but it's gonna be way more sugar.

SPEAKER_07 29:05

Yeah. Alcoholics listening are gonna be like, Yeah, that's why I take shots instead of a beer. No, literally, deadass. Um, so do you guys do you both feel like Miami kind of uh throughout all that you know kind of chaotic, uh beautiful time, do you think Miami gave you all like a chance to kind of exhale and breathe?

SPEAKER_05 29:22

Is that like kind of how hundred percent and it's a big city and the traffic is a booger.

SPEAKER_07 29:31

Um definitely a booger.

SPEAKER_05 29:33

But you know, the diversity, man, you just can't beat it. Like I we have life interpreters and I treat in four languages every day. Wow, you know how much Yiddish I speak? None, you know how much Russian I speak, nine Creole, bonjour.

SPEAKER_07 29:50

Well, that's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

I do have to say though, Miami loves me real bad, and I love Miami real bad. So I do feel like, in all in all, I do feel like my gut feeling was right that like we did need to experience Miami, and like we needed this little it really has been really neat. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 30:12

And then throughout all this uh work uh throughout all all this travel time, I think I'm w when do you I guess start creating content yourself as I think as a Dom? When does that come into play?

SPEAKER_02 30:23

After Miami, or you're already doing outside of Miami because we were yeah, so that was kind of like when we went to go move down to Miami. At this point, I had been dancing for a year and a half. Um, I decided I wanted to leave dancing. I decided to do OnlyFans, and but all of this I pretty much kept low-key because we were moving around so much that like low key even from Bob or No no no no no no oh no. Oh no, like you in the last episode. She knew 100%. Yeah, it was friends. No, it was just I wasn't I didn't even really have friends at that point. Like we were moving around so it was just us. Co-workers, college, yeah. I'm a stripper, you don't have co-workers, like you don't like the same thing. So when I tell you, like the only person I'm talking to is mom, mom, and like mom knows what I'm doing, like mom's aware of this. That's all I need. Like, that's all I need is like her to be like, okay, you know, I didn't give a fuck about what anyone else said. But we finally get to a place where we make the decision we're gonna move down to Miami. And I had basically this whole identity crisis of like, holy shit, like, am I gonna come out with this? Am I not? And especially because at this point, I was about to stop dancing. So it was like I could have done my whole dancing career, been done with my dancing career, and not said shit, like no one would have known. But like I remember I went to counseling heavy for this. I was like, I just feel like like this is who I am, like this is part of me. So even though I'm stepping out of the club, like this is still part of me. Athena is part of me. The energy is part of me. But like, once again, like I had no idea where that was gonna go. That was a very unknown. So it was like, okay, me coming out about this, I had no idea where this was gonna lead. Now, looking back, I would have never guessed that I do have the platform that I have, that I get to teach classes to other women, that I really do create a whole brand. Looking back, like I had just danced. And even like OnlyFans was brand new to me. So it was like I'm diving into something that I'm not sure about the outcome.

SPEAKER_07 32:25

Nobody is. This is a new thing to the new world.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

But it was like we're moving down to Miami. I said, every time we would move, it was a chance to reinvent yourself. So it was like it became a thing of like, okay, I told mama, I said, we're going to a brand new city. No one knows me. I don't know anyone. This is part of me. I don't give a fuck anymore. This is gonna be who I am. Because when you move to a new city, no one knows your background. So down here, no one knows me before Athena. I'm just Athena. Like, no one knows me when I was, you know, questioning this. No one knows me about this. They just know me as the confident woman that I am today because I created that. So moving down here, that was a huge step for me to really be like, I'm gonna own everything. I'm gonna be who I wanna be. I don't give a fuck about no one else, but this is gonna be my story.

SPEAKER_07 33:19

Amazing. What's your first reaction when you when she tells you you're gonna she's starting OnlyFans?

SPEAKER_05 33:25

OnlyFans didn't bug me. She shocked me plenty of times. OnlyFans was really mild.

SPEAKER_07 33:31

Well, was the dancing more of a more of a oh?

SPEAKER_05 33:34

Well, you know, I'm mom. Right. Are you safe? Is it controlled environment? You know, dancing was really hard because you leave at five in the morning, you've been working 12 hours.

SPEAKER_06 33:43

Is it a hip hop?

SPEAKER_05 33:45

You know what I mean? Like, like my perspective has always been you know, do your stuff, live your live your life, be you, but be safe. Let me know everything's okay. Oh, she shocked me way worse than OnlyFans. OnlyFans is mine. Occasionally I would say stuff like, exactly, what are you doing? And she'd give me this much, and I'd be content. OnlyFans is totally controlled. No one can touch her, no one can get to her. Yeah, no problem.

SPEAKER_07 34:11

That that that's that's why. Like uh, I know it comes with a lot of negative connotations, but you know, outside looking in, it does kind of feel like OnlyFans is is you know, it's giving people a platform to put the control down their hands as opposed to, you know, what it's been like we talked about on the last episode. You know, manipulation and extortion that's been going on for years, absolutely, exploitation.

SPEAKER_02 34:32

And before I started OnlyFans, like I asked her for like her opinion on it out of respect. So it wasn't just like, oh, I just popped out with this, and I was like, hey, by the way, you have to be cool with this. No, I remember we were driving back from Atlanta. I like that, and I remember I was so nervous, which is so funny. We've been through so much together, and I'm sitting in the car and I'm fidgeting, and like for an hour of this drive, I'm like, you gotta bring it up, just bring it up, you gotta bring it up, just just bring it up, just yada yada yada. And finally, I'm like, okay, let's do it. So I'm like, mom, like, what would you think if I did it, OnlyFans? And she goes, I'm gonna be honest, I just assumed we already have one. I was so nervous to ask her. I'm over here shaking, and she's like, girl. Like, who's this unsubscribe to? And so it was such a funny moment of just like once again, like, because we've had those depths of like what we've been through, like it does make those reactions of like me doing this crazy life, like, okay, like I was gonna say, it takes a lot now for her to shock me.

SPEAKER_05 35:44

Yeah, no, no, I'm telling you what shocked me was she said, Oh, I want to go to welding school. That is a problem after everything we've been through and done. That one shocked me.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

I like living a little adventurous life, and she be hanging on with me, she be supporting all my crazy shit I do.

SPEAKER_07 36:02

Well, speaking of crazy shit, what was the reaction to the crazy shit?

SPEAKER_02 36:10

And she goes, Mom, and she told me that I was like Because okay, be she knew about the sessions. Like, she knew about the sessions. I didn't expect that video to go anywhere. I didn't expect anything out of that, and then I was like, oh, so uh for those that don't know, episode 58, we've kind of briefly talked about it.

SPEAKER_07 36:39

Athena has, I guess what we could call shitty sessions. Different genres, you know, sometimes mostly Jamaican, right?

SPEAKER_02 36:49

Yeah, Jamaican food. Jamaican food, you know, yeah, consumption and consumption.

SPEAKER_07 36:54

Let us know in the comments what you think we're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 36:57

But to be fair, she did, like, she knew, like, like I'm very open with her. So I'm like, hey mom, I'm going to meet me. I'll come number two. I'm going to meet number two. Um, you know, and like our such as were so quick, I'm like, okay, I'm safe. Like, like, and I told her, I said, I could beat this man's ass. So, like, I'm not worried, like, I'm not concerned at all. Um, but yeah, I didn't expect to float on Instagram over that. That was not necessarily in the plan. But honestly, to be fair, I'm not mad about it either. Like, I think that's so funny. Like, when I really like continue to build my branding, like continue to make it in life, they're gonna, I know, like, they're gonna pop out on my videos and be like, oh my god, isn't that the girl that shits on men? And is like, I think that's so funny. I could not pick a better thing for me to get kind of famous off of than literally shitting on men. I think that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_07 37:48

Literally, I'm not affording. That's the brand.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

So funny. Like, yes, I'm her, yes, we'll forever be her. Like, I think that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_05 37:56

Yeah, initially I had a lot of questions and then I learned not to ask them. I'm like, you good? You safe, it's working. TMI, TMI group important thing.

SPEAKER_06 38:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 38:08

We we compone TMI hero uh THC, you know, sometimes it's too much, but uh so uh and after all this, you know, uh so we're 26 now, about to be 26. Beautiful, yeah, crazy. What's one thing each of you are are proud of in each other? Like what's something when you look at mom? What are you proud of?

SPEAKER_02 38:28

Mom has really like grown into herself in Miami. Like at first she was like a little hesitant, like because she's not the big cities, they you know the different things, but like I really watched her like create new friendships and like create new happiness and like different things to do, like her morning beach routine, like just different things and like and being at her work, and she also teaches classes at her work, so it's kind of like like I got my teaching from her because like she's an incredible teacher, so it's like being able to see her kind of in her element is very peaceful, and like I'm very happy about that.

SPEAKER_07 39:07

Nice. How about your monitor?

SPEAKER_05 39:08

What's something I love that she's explored all these venues? I love that she continues to surprise me. I love that you know, I've had to adjust some, but I love that she's tried things and said that worked, that did not work. I like that, but that's not gonna go. And then, you know, she just comes home and says, I need to hit something, I need to hit a man, I gotta go to boxing, which is again not anything. I mean, look at the nails, look at the lashes, not what I expected. I love that she takes like her to just dive into these things. And occasionally, yeah, I have to like sit back and go, Are you safe? She's safe, we good, you know?

SPEAKER_07 39:46

Oh, that's beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 39:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 39:48

And then what's uh what's an advice you you would give to uh photographers? What's something you think photographers are getting wrong nowadays behind the camera?

SPEAKER_05 39:58

I would be hard pressed to criticize anyone and say they're doing wrong. I would just say fall in love with it over and over again.

SPEAKER_07 40:05

I love that. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 40:06

Yeah, just explore. Shoot everything. Shoot anything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 40:11

That's good. That's good. Athena, um you're you're creating so much content. Any like future plans for like uh I don't know, I don't know, like doing more like uh vlog style with stuff with you behind the camera or any any stuff you want to create?

SPEAKER_02 40:24

I have lots of content ideas for this upcoming year.

SPEAKER_07 40:29

Anything you want to share with the audience? This is probably come out like February, March. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 40:33

Not yet. Not yet. Um I am very grateful now that I did create this platform, but now it's like, okay, like what do I want to do with this platform? Like, how do I want to mold and shape this platform into exactly what I want it to be? And so I'm kind of doing some exploring on my platform.

SPEAKER_07 40:52

Yeah, it's allowed to change. You'll figure it out as you go.

SPEAKER_02 40:55

That was one of my biggest things this year was I was like, I want more content with mama. Like, mama is a huge part of my life. Um, so we just did a Christmas photo shoot together. Really cute. Yeah, I surprised her with a Christmas photo shoot. We have matching pajamas, red hats. Um, but it was like I love sharing these aspects of my life, and like I do get like a lot of mixed reviews when they do see, like, oh, your S-worker, you have a good relationship with your mom. And I also get the response a lot of different S workers who say, My mom never spoke to me again. And like watching you and your mom, like, that's like that means something to me. So it's like I do want to share that life of like I do have this crazy intense life, but in the same sense, like, this is my person, like, this is a person that's always in the corner for me, that's always fighting for me. Like, that's all I need, and like I want to show that part of my life as well. So it's like I I need to find a balance of like every different aspect because I have so many different things that I create content on. I have so many different things. So this year going forward, I really want to dive in and like really start planning out different things and looking and saying, what do I want to do with this platform now?

SPEAKER_07 42:11

That's amazing. I'm excited to watch all this content and see more Mama Bear on here.

SPEAKER_06 42:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 42:16

I love it. I'm glad we could be a part of uh this rollout, this uh new rollout for uh thank you. Yeah, that's awesome. Hey, if you could speak to your younger selves, what's something you're you're telling each other?

SPEAKER_02 42:25

You're gonna be a bad bitch.

SPEAKER_05 42:31

I guess what I would say to myself is find your boundaries, find your peace, find your joy, find your calm. Um you know, I think I think as women growing up, we are taught to not have boundaries and we're taught to people please and we're taught to conform. And so it's really cool to watch her say, yeah, no, thank you. And maybe more abruptly than that. But maybe perchance more abruptly than that. But just yeah, not don't don't conform. Don't submit. We don't need to do that anymore. We're not in a space in the world where we benefit from losing a person's uh uniqueness because we we need to submit to please someone else. We don't need that anymore.

SPEAKER_07 43:19

You don't have the food in a box.

SPEAKER_05 43:21

We don't need that. And you need to explore. Yeah, and we're gonna kind of Australia this year. Yeah, we're definitely going to Australia this year. Australia, nice.

SPEAKER_02 43:29

Yeah, yes, that's a big one. Yeah, I guess like one thing I would kind of say to myself, like, you know, I was thinking about it the other day, and my senior high school quote was I will be successful. And I remember at that point I was already in college, and I remember going back to take that photo, and I remember them asking me for my quote, and I didn't give a fuck about high school at that point, and that was the only thing I could come up with was I will be successful. And looking back, I had no idea what. This journey of life was gonna take me, but it's like I feel like every step I take, I'm truly getting closer to just like where I really feel like I wanna be, you know, because I'm so happy where I'm at, and I look back at my growth and I'm like, wow, I've done a lot of different things, but it's hard because sometimes I'm so crucial in myself of like I still need to do this, I still need to do this, I still need to do this, but like getting to the point to where, like, once again, like we can travel, but we can do it in a healthy environment this way. Getting to the point where I can build a lifestyle off of that, of being stable, being good, but yet we also have the access and the availability to go see the world, like that's huge for me. And it's like every step I take, I feel like I'm getting closer and closer to achieving that goal. And so it's like I look back and I'm like, wow, I've done a lot, but like I'm genuinely like so proud of everything I have tried.

SPEAKER_07 45:01

You should be, you should be. A lot of people, you know, dream of living half the life you've lived. So do all the things you've done at such a young age, you know, it's only going up. So you have a lot to look forward to, and so do you, Mom.

SPEAKER_05 45:12

Oh, I'm I'm good. I am so good. But it is funny because she says that and she's like, oh, I'm accomplishing everything. She doesn't really believe that. She believes there's more to do, there's more to do, there's more to see, there's more to go. I did that, but now what am I gonna do next? So yeah, don't believe that all. Like I feel so proud of myself because she's constantly pushing, pushing, pushing. Gotta try this, gotta try that.

SPEAKER_03 45:33

I got to.

SPEAKER_07 45:34

That's how we get to the next level. That's that's how you keep it pushing, that's how you become so powerful.

SPEAKER_03 45:38

It it really is the hustler in me.

SPEAKER_02 45:40

Like, I I love the hustle, I love trying new things.

SPEAKER_05 45:44

And neither one of us like to be bored.

SPEAKER_02 45:46

No, no, we like to stay very busy.

SPEAKER_05 45:48

We haven't owned a TV all of your life. Yeah. We've owned a TV two weeks of your life. Yeah, yeah. And that just keeps you, you know, it keeps you fresh. You see the world different. And you don't want to sit at home because I mean you you can read and you can do stuff, but we go see lots of lots of sports, we go see things, we explore. TV's just not for us, and it's not a joy.

SPEAKER_02 46:10

And that's kind of like the hard part that I'm at right now with this job. Um, I'm currently trying to quit this job. Trying.

SPEAKER_07 46:18

Still in the trades or something different? Okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:21

Um, because like I look at our life and I look where I want it to be, and there's just aspects of it that don't line up for my life. And like, once again, talking about like the identity crisis I have with dancing, I'm kind of in a unique situation right now with a different identity crisis of I do have a good job right now. Like, I have a well-paying, stable job, but in the same sense, it's taking so many different aspects of my life that I love that I'm not getting to enjoy that I'm gonna make the decision to step away. And like, I'm getting a lot of mixed reviews about that because people are saying, like, oh, you should be grateful for it. People can't even get half that pay right now, you know, this, and uh and I am grateful for it, but once again, I'm gonna continue to redefine my life as many times as I need to, and so I am very grateful for this experience, but it's not lining up with where I want to be.

SPEAKER_07 47:21

Yeah, and you know that's uh it's important to distinguish the difference between a job and a career. A job is you know temporary career is something you do long term for your life, and you know, nothing in life is is forever. Presidents change every four years.

SPEAKER_02 47:34

Thank God.

SPEAKER_07 47:36

Don't go there. What what's something you want people uh to understand about raising strong daughters?

SPEAKER_03 47:42

Oh my gosh. You're in for a wild ride.

SPEAKER_05 47:46

Yeah, it doesn't ever end. Um, I guess compassion. I think sometimes as parents we get caught in rules and rules, and they have to do it this way and they have to do it that way. And uh no, compassion and trying to see into their world rather than just saying, I would have never done it this way, or I'm concerned about it's it's not my life, it's her life. Is she safe? Is she doing good? Is she smart? Is she in harm's way? Whatever. Compassion and empathy. And we have a lot of conversations.

SPEAKER_02 48:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:22

We talk a lot. She still sits on my lap and she still curls up and burning sometimes. All the time.

SPEAKER_02 48:28

I'll be real quick to mama.

SPEAKER_05 48:30

But if if you consider her laptop. And your children, if your child doesn't speak to you and is doesn't have the courage to come and say, Hey mom, I'm gonna do it. Oli fans, you'll lose them real quick.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:43

SPEAKER_07 49:02

Amazing answer. I hope uh everyone listening uh that take take that away with them. Um every episode we end with a game called the Big Three Draft. So I'll pick three things you could both share your picks. Uh, but I want to we'll pick suggestions for mom and daughters to do. Things you mom and daughters could bond over. So activities. I want to more focus on activities. I guess uh date ideas, you know, mom and daughter date ideas, things like that. Uh so ladies, begin first. What's something uh you think all mom mother-daughter combos out there could do together?

SPEAKER_05 49:35

High tea.

SPEAKER_07 49:36

Yeah, one at a time though, because if I think of one of your picks, then you gotta reconcile, what's high tea?

SPEAKER_05 49:42

High tea. A British tea where you dress up and you sit for two and a half hours and someone serves you cheese. Tea party phones, yes, all fancy ones. Yeah, you still step out of your world, everything away, and have you.

SPEAKER_07 49:56

We love it. Okay. So then I'm gonna say uh I think uh I think exercising together is cool for mothers and daughters. I see my mom and sister doing it together now, and I I see them growing a lot together, and I'm super proud of them both. So I think that'll be cool, whether it's you know, a class beating guys up in boxing, or you know, going to the gym doing legs, you know, doing uh running with us, everyone would. Everyone would. Every Wednesday would hip help us hip hop. Um, yeah, I think exercising together is cool for mothers and daughters, and really every all parents and their kids. But yeah, what's what's the second thing you all think?

SPEAKER_02 50:30

I say this with a grain of salt because once again I realize that so many people do not have this relationship with their mother, but travel that's amazing.

SPEAKER_07 50:40

That's a great picture.

SPEAKER_02 50:41

I mean, whether it's just like us going to Jacksonville this weekend, um, or us going to Australia, like when you experience a new place with someone you love, it's completely different. It's huge.

SPEAKER_07 50:56

I love that core memories right there. Yeah, stay with you forever. Uh, cooking. I think cooking's cool too. I am one of my proudest my sister, she's huge, 21 plus now, but it's not so seeing her be like a woman in the kitchen, making me my dad serving us food that I don't realize that that's really settled settling in for me now that wow, she's a woman for real. This is kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_03 51:20

Yeah, like she's growing my baby, but whatever.

SPEAKER_07 51:24

Yeah, it's it's so you know, and it it's cool seeing, you know, my mom doesn't like to cook as much anymore, but uh it's cool, you know, seeing them interact and my mom, you know, giving her pointers and showing her how to do things. So I think that's cool. What's uh a third pick for you all, the last pick for Mother T.

SPEAKER_02 51:39

I would definitely say hiking, being out in nature. Hiking, nice, hiking, like being outside, just no, especially like if you can go someplace with like no cell phone service, no distractions, just just being together. Just that that is crucial.

SPEAKER_07 51:58

I love it. I love it. Okay, and then um my third pick will be.

SPEAKER_02 52:02

Well, you skip mama.

SPEAKER_07 52:03

Oh, well you you uh would you all were doing picks together? Oh, oh, I didn't know we were in the oh, oh, yeah, you could go too if you want, Mom.

SPEAKER_05 52:10

You have another pick, wanna I would say go through the hard times really close. Yeah. I love it. Don't pretend like you're alone in those. Because you're not because you're not. Every every single one of us has struggles, every single one of us has bad days, every single one of us has hard times. If you come together and you do it, even if you don't have solutions, you're just answering, it's like the ultimate way to be there for each other and to continue to build your relationship.

SPEAKER_07 52:35

And that's what um that's what helps. I I think humans, uh community. I think it's how we deal with death and mortality. I think that gives us a sense of permanence that we're all kind of in this together. I think that's uh I think the answer to life. And I'm as I see more and more people in lonely, uh, with social media and all this, although we're connected, we're really not connected.

SPEAKER_02 52:56

Yeah, it's different.

SPEAKER_07 52:57

Uh I think that community is what the world needs more of. So 100%. Whether you're going through the hard times, good times, go through them together.

SPEAKER_02 53:04

Community. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 53:06

Uh my third pick then will be uh content creating, like you know, like uh photographer. You might not create the podcast together. I think that's uh great for uh for for bonding together, especially nowadays in this world where we get to tell our own stories and we get to tell the narrative, we get to educate the world and the audience with whatever knowledge we want and beyond this world to be an escape for somebody listening and watching. So it's cool to be able to do that with somebody you love.