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Super Sex
Supersex was a podcast exploring sexuality, relationships, and sex education that ran from July 2024 to December 2025.
The show was created during an earlier stage of my professional journey as I developed my work as a sexologist, educator, and communicator. Through conversations with guests and discussions on a wide range of topics, Supersex aimed to make sexuality education more accessible, practical, and relevant to everyday life.
As my work has evolved, so too has the focus of the conversations I want to have.
In 2026, Supersex will be re-launched as The Jordan Walker Show.
The new show will explore relationships, sexuality, human behaviour, education, masculinity, digital culture, and the challenges facing young people and adults in the modern world. Drawing on research, professional experience, and conversations with leading experts, the show will focus on helping listeners better understand themselves, their relationships, and the people around them.
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Fluid Love: Understanding Bisexuality in a Modern World
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Is bisexuality just a myth? Spoiler: absolutely not. In this episode of Supersex, we're diving headfirst into the fascinating world of bisexuality, tearing down those old, tired misconceptions, and giving some serious love to the folks who break the binary. We're celebrating bisexuals—yes, those magical unicorns—who offer fresh perspectives on sexuality that challenge outdated norms. From cultural history to biology, we’re unpacking why bisexuality is as natural as it gets, while also calling out “bi-erasure” and shifting perceptions both now and in the past. Trust us, straightness hasn’t always been the default, and ancient practices prove that sexual fluidity was never a new thing.
We’re also tackling the double whammy of biphobia—where bisexuals get heat from both the straight and gay communities. Spoiler: bisexual attraction doesn’t follow some rigid 50/50 formula! Plus, we’re rewinding to the AIDS crisis to shine a light on how bisexuals were unjustly stigmatized. From coming out stories to myths about bisexuals in relationships, we’re busting stereotypes and diving into the unique challenges—and occasional softer landings—that come with being bi.
But we don’t stop there. We’re closing with some real talk about the importance of advocacy and supporting LGBTQ+ youth. Safe spaces, positive media representation, and confident portrayals are the name of the game. Tune in for an empowering conversation that doesn’t just celebrate bisexuality, but also reshapes societal norms, encouraging a more inclusive world for everyone.
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Exploring Bisexuality
Speaker 1Hey guys , before we start today's show , I wanted to give a shout out to all the people from around the world who are listening . But if you're finding value from this show , please do us a favor and share it with your friends , with your family , whoever the hell you want whether it's your dog , we don't really care but please , please , share it . That's the only way that this show is actually going to be able to keep on growing like it has done . That this show is actually going to be able to keep on growing like it has done . And , alternatively , if you're not really wanting to do that , jump on social media commenting , sharing , liking our posts and getting engaged in the community that we're building . That's really going to be helpful for us . Anyways , on with the show . Hey to all the straights , gays and nays . Welcome to Supersex , the podcast where we have conversations and share our perspectives on sexuality , sex and more . I'm Sheldon .
Speaker 2And I'm Jordan , two friends , one straight , one gay , taking on all things sex .
Speaker 1Sheldon's back for another week . How are you , man , G'day ?
Speaker 2g'day . G'day , I am very good , thank you , how are you ? I'm proud to in this topic .
Speaker 1I think that bisexual people are unicorns .
Speaker 2Yeah absolutely . I see them as the most fascinating people in the world , because they're like half me , half you . This is true , and think about that .
Speaker 1That's really bad for them if they're half of me and half of you .
Speaker 2No , I feel like the world needs half me , half you . That'll be an amazing human being right there .
Speaker 1It'll certainly be a scientific study that's for sure .
Speaker 2He'll be in jail in the first week .
Speaker 1Maybe enjoying it , dropping the soap and all sorts .
Speaker 2Oh my days . You see , that's exactly what I'm saying Best of both worlds . Sometimes I genuinely do wish I was bi .
Speaker 1I feel like a bi person is going to come to me for saying that . Yeah , see , this is the thing I haven't met anybody who's bisexual . I have a friend who's bisexual , you've got a friend .
Speaker 2I've got a friend who's bisexual . See , there's not that many people who really come out and say , hi , I'm fully bi . That's why I say they're fucking unicorns , because I've met , maybe I hooked up with one bi guy . Yeah , like many , many , many , many years ago , and I remember the hookup was so interesting . I literally I I'm the dude that , once you're done , get out . But this dude I was like I'm like , can you stay ? I have so many questions , I'm gonna ask you so many things . So I'm glad that we're talking about this because , um , yeah , all the stuff that , all the questions I had , I kind of still have them so I'm interested to know the um ins and outs and also the uh , your side of things .
Speaker 1All right well , how about we have a look at it from a few different angles ? Yep , well , one of the things I really want to tackle is this idea that bisexuality is not a natural thing . You're either gay or you're straight , exactly , and I don't think there's a biological basis for that , right that argument . Honestly , like being a history buff , I want to talk a little bit about the history side of things , and there's a cultural element to that as well . Right , so we'll get into that , and then I think , we'll talk about how it's done today . Yeah , right , because there's this thing called bi erasure , which I really want to talk about . Oh , yeah , all right , so , all right , let's jump into it . Then , biological stuff how many times have you heard it as a gay guy and gone ?
Speaker 2oh , being gay is not natural oh my god , the amount of fucking times . My thing is this guys , guys , guys , guys , guys , guys . You could literally Google how many animals in the animal kingdom have gay relationships . And there goes your you're done . Your argument is null and void . Now Listen to Google . Google knows what's up .
Speaker 1I think it's what 1,500 to 1,800 species of animals . Your argument is null and void .
Speaker 2now Listen to Google . Google knows what's up . I think it's what ? 1,500 to 1,800 species of animals . I think it's 1,800 species of animals have .
Speaker 1They've realized that they have gay relationships Lions but so they do have gay relationships , but not completely gay , because they're also dabbling on the female side or the male side .
Speaker 2Bisexual .
Speaker 1So they're bisexual animals . Although they have homosexual sex , they also have heterosexual sex , which means , by very definition , it's bi right .
Speaker 2It's bi . But yeah , I mean , look at the penguins , did you see ?
Speaker 1Happy feet ? No not fucking happy feet , those little fucking feathers and stuff .
Speaker 2They're ready for pride . The gay penguins in Sydney Zoo , or was it Sydney Zoo ? One of them died . I remember it wasn't Sydney Zoo . Anyway , there's a couple of gay penguins somewhere in the world . One of them died . It was very sad .
Speaker 1Oh .
Speaker 2It was sad .
Speaker 1Did it go out like a little rainbow striped coffin ? Oh my God , I can't with you . Did it go ?
Speaker 2out like a little rainbow-striped coffin . Oh my God , I can't with you . Such a stupid head .
Speaker 1All right . So in terms of the biological stuff , there's been a whole heap of research looking for the gay gene , right .
Speaker 2Mm-hmm .
Speaker 1I know where it is , you know where it is .
Speaker 2Sorry , continue . The gay genes are on your bedroom floor at the moment mate , amen .
Speaker 1But they've now found that there is a genetic component to being gay or bisexual , but they still haven't analysed a particular sort of gene , right ? They think it sort of goes all the way throughout the genetic sort of makeup , but it also comes down to hormones , hormones exposure within utero as well so yes , I've heard that one like exposure to testosterone and whatnot .
Speaker 1I've also heard that there is this fraternal order where basically the mother , if she has a male baby , if she has a male baby , if she has a male baby , then basically what she does is her body creates like a immunological response to the Y chromosome and that somehow impacts the sexuality of the babies down the line . But it sort of gets compounded for the more male babies that that person has . So the third one down the line is far more likely to be homosexual or bisexual than the first one .
Speaker 2Because our immunological response is building Too many men I like this Too many straight men . We've got to add a gay woman in there somewhere . We need a little bit of fabulousness in this family .
Speaker 1We've just got to break the binary Exactly .
Speaker 2We've got to add some little pink .
Speaker 1All right . Then there's this other thing as well , that's actually represented within the brain itself , right ?
Speaker 2How's that ?
Speaker 1So the hypothalamus . It is observably different in people of different sexualities , and that pertains as well to bisexual people .
Speaker 2Okay , so what is a hypothalamus ?
Speaker 1So the hypothalamus is like it's a part of your brain which not exactly what it controls , but it is actually enlarged or reduced depending on the sexual orientation Interesting . I'm going to have to figure out what the hell a hypothalamus does .
Speaker 2I mean , I've heard the word before . Do you think I fucking know what ?
Speaker 1it means I thought it was some greek dude who'd like play tennis or something . Uh see , this is why I do sexology and not brain studies , neurology I think it is yeah , brain studies brain studies . Just imagine andrew human coming out with that shit . What do you do ? Yeah ?
Speaker 2I'm a brain study . I do brain studies . I'm a brain doctor .
Speaker 1And I think as well that , like there's this growing body of research , that sexuality , despite the fact that it is genetically and biologically based for a large part , it is also environmentally based , but it's also socially driven , oh for sure , right , and people's sexualities can change over time .
Speaker 2Sexual sexuality is fluid that's it I just , I don't care what anyone says and you can , you know , fight me , I don't give a shit .
Speaker 1Sexuality is fluid , we're going to have a fight . I'm just imagining like the old connections with the KY Jelly We've got to do that A super sex KY Jelly wrestling match . But don't throw my shoulder . My shoulders are so dicky .
Speaker 2man there's a joke there . Look , sexuality is fluid , regardless of what you want to say , what your beliefs or what your understanding is , it's fucking fluid , man , it is .
Speaker 1It is , and it changes over time , certain places , depending on mood and all that sort of stuff . Right , like they developed the kinsey scale scale . Kinsey scale , yep , correct back in like 1940s and there's like inherent problems with that because it doesn't show asexuality or other types of sexuality and whatnot .
Speaker 2It just basically shows heterosexual and you know , okay , that's it , and gay yep , but basically like halfway through that scale is bisexual ?
Speaker 1Yeah , so it's been recognized since basically forever in scientific language , but- .
Speaker 2You know what I wish ? What ? Take away all the fucking labels . Just call us queer , Everybody included . Like I fucking hate the labels . Someone's going to hate me saying this .
Speaker 1I'm just imagining there's at least 15 people out the front of the house and fucking pick it .
Speaker 2But my thing is , it's like you know there's so many labels . My question is who's giving us the labels ? Are we giving ourselves the labels , or is the straight community giving us the labels ? Because why do we need them ?
Speaker 1I'm going to throw it out to you .
Speaker 2Okay , do you find safety in those labels ? I personally don't . If I would be happy with no label , okay , genuinely happy with no label , I think there's too many and it's fucking confusing . And the fact that it's that confusing it just fucks with the straight community and this is why people look at straight people . You know , obviously not every straight person , but those ones will look at us and go oh shit , it's just too hard to understand .
Speaker 1Yeah , you need like fucking dictionary to keep up . So I mean , if we go , you know what we're on the scale . Yeah .
Speaker 2We're on the kingdom scale . Some of us are that side , some of us are that side , some of us in between . Fuck it .
Speaker 1Who do you like to jump into labeling these days ?
Speaker 2yes , and I think that a lot of people find comfort in that and identity within that the problem with with that is that it is very , it is becomes binary and becomes , well , this is it and that is it . There's , there's no , there's no in between . Yeah , so you say you buy , you buy and that's it . If you're not by , you are pan because you like everybody . And then if you are not this , you are that like you say shit . And then if you are not this , you are that Like you say shit changes .
Speaker 1And it's still setting up a binary notion Literally .
Speaker 2It's doing exactly what you're trying not to do . You're doing . You're putting us in a box . That's making us go . Okay , if you are gay , you like men only and you only sleep with men and you're not allowed to ever sleep with a woman . If you're straight , same thing . And you're not allowed to ever sleep with a woman . If you're straight , same thing .
Speaker 1What happens if I ?
Speaker 2want to go . If I want to sleep with a woman , yeah , that's right Now am I going to have to jump from ?
Speaker 1one box into the other . Definitely got to jump into a box if you want to sleep with a woman , am I ?
Speaker 2going to have to jump from one label to another . No , I'm still identified as a gay man .
Speaker 1But like yeah , and then there's a whole social sort of stigma with that as well , whereas if you do sort of do that like imagine you're sleeping with a girl now and somebody else finding out about it , oh , 100% , It'd be uproar .
Speaker 2Of course It'd be like oh my God , I thought you were gay .
Speaker 1Yeah , Sherman's been telling her he's gay . Now he's slept with a woman . Is he heterosexual ? What the fuck ? I'm confused . I no bitch .
Speaker 2Sit the fuck down . You don't need anything Unless you're on the other end of my dick .
Speaker 1It's not your business , and even then it's in your no , I'm going to stop with that one .
Speaker 2Yeah , please stop right there , my friend .
Speaker 1But this idea of labels , though I want to ask you which label would you think came first ? Heterosexual or homosexual ?
Speaker 2I feel like you're're gonna throw some shit out there and say a homosexual came first , but it totally was really .
Speaker 1Yeah , it totally was .
Speaker 2It was like 1870 but then it makes sense though , because like you're not gonna make a label for quote-unquote normal that's right .
Speaker 1Normal is normal . Why would you need to make a label for it ?
Speaker 2I don't need to make a label for anything because , hey , this is , this is who we are , that's what we are yeah and then we find something weird and go oh , like , for example , your people of your um background going all over the world . I'm not gonna say colonize it , because that's not the right word what you mean ?
Speaker 1uh , british people who went around and colonized other places .
Speaker 2I mean , for example , them going to uh , who was that dude ? Fuck history , bro . West Indies we're going to name it that because we thought it was India . We hit somewhere else and you made a name for it and you've called these people a certain thing . That was in Spanish , but anyway , thanks , Dude whatever . I literally just said me and history I don't fucking know . But my point is your people went out thereized , made words , created um groups of people , same thing , why would we need to ?
Speaker 2because they know what they know and that's normal . So , of course , yes , that makes sense . Yeah , I came I . I I came first , my label first .
Speaker 1Yeah , you did come first , that's been an ongoing problem for you apparently , oh little bitch , but you know what props to you .
Speaker 2That was fucking good .
Speaker 1That's funny I'm on fire . Today , I had 17 red bulls before we started recording . All right .
Exploring Ancient Views on Sexuality
Speaker 1Talking about history , though , there's this sort of perception that man and woman have always just been attracted to each other . Right , and that's normal . That's the normal thing . That's why we always just have practiced heterosexuality , yep , but it hasn't always been that case right ?
Speaker 2Of course not . History shows us different .
Speaker 1Yeah , even though I don't know history .
Speaker 2I know you're the history buff and you're going to drop some facts .
Speaker 1I love history , but it was the ancient Greeks , I think , or the Romans . They basically had this idea that there was a third type of person , and that third type of person was not a male , it was not a female , it was both . Yeah Right . And basically they challenged the gods and the gods got pissed off and split it down the middle and that is where the female part went off and the male part went off , and they searched the globe forever to be able to find . But nonetheless , if you have a look back at that fundamental sort of thought , it's this idea that within one singular person can have both yep , and , and this is not just the Romans and the Greeks , it's around the world , in different cultures , over a span of many many , many millennia , millennia , like ancient Greece , the done thing .
Speaker 1If you wanted a shag for pleasure and you're a guy .
Speaker 2You'd fuck a guy .
Speaker 1No , you'd fuck a boy , not a guy . You're going to get a boy . We have all sorts of problems with that in today's society . If you sit there and go , oh fuck , I just really want to get my rocks off .
Speaker 2Where's a 12-year-old boy ? That's a problem . You're getting lynched , not in a good way .
Speaker 1But that was an accepted norm back in the days .
Speaker 2Yes , then the idea was that if you wanted to procreate , you can't sleep with your wife yeah , that's cool if you want , if you want to have , if you want to have some sexy time . Because you , you know you're feeling horny . You get yourself a boy . You want to make a baby . There's you know you're feeling horny , you get yourself a boy , you want to make a baby . There's your wife .
Speaker 1There's your wife over there right , and then that sort of developed into like heterosexual marriage in Roman times . But that was never like a monogamous thing . It was like you've got your wife there and then you're going to play with whoever the hell you want . Correct and virtually fucking . Everybody had Concubines , concubines , and most of those were queer , like Julius Caesar .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1Had male .
Speaker 2Nero also , oh , nero .
Speaker 1Little boots , that was Caligula , little boots , nero's .
Speaker 2We could do like 10 episodes on that right , but all over the world different everybody alexander the great oh really yeah , alexander the great alexander loved a bit of
Speaker 1us , male and female , last apparently . But yeah it , but yeah , it's always come through our history and then that's been a societal thing that's carried on right and religion has came up and tried to force it down and quell it . But even in Afghanistan , early 2000s right , there's been documentation of British forces come under fire in a compound and they've got part of the Afghan army there and the British guys are out there fighting to try and keep this going on and it's figuring out where the fuck the Afghans are .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1But they're all underneath the compound having great happy time with each other . Right , shut up , swear to God , right , and this is documented , right , but they're all underneath the compound having great happy time with each other . Right , shut up , swear to God . Right , and this is documented . Right . There's a book called Three Power and they talk about this , but essentially they were all having sex , but not homosexual sex . Okay , Right .
Speaker 1Right , because homosexual sex means that you are in love with the other person . Okay , we're just fucking , you're just fucking . We're not making it up , because Islam says no to homosexuality but says yes to getting your rocks off . So they're just getting their rocks off , they're not gay , they're just fucking , they're just fucking Right . So , basically , this idea of moving from heterosexual to gay and back and forth and in the middle , you know , in between , it's always been throughout different cultures Fluid , bro , fluid , fluid . It's fucking everywhere .
Speaker 2Two-spirit people . Two-spirit people , two-spirit . I feel like that fits more into like , kind of like , maybe trans-ish , but same idea . Native Americans ? Yep , native Americans , yeah , it's literally everywhere . I mean the idea of , okay , a little bit of Bible story . I hope no one listens to this . Do you know the story of Sodom and gomorrah ? I've heard it . Yep , where the word sodom comes from .
Speaker 2Sodomite sodom , that those words so yeah , so the idea was that god killed that , those nations , because they were gay , but it was the idea that the men wanted to rape the two men that went in there , those people . So it had more to do with the fact that , because what they would do is they would rape men as a sign of power . It had nothing to do with . Are they gay ? These were straight men going in exactly like what you talked about back in the Roman times , when that's what you did , you fuck yeah and that's the idea .
Speaker 2Excuse me , not me with my voice breaking like I'm 17 that's the idea of why sodom and gomorrah were actually destroyed nothing to do . But this is the thing it's like sex with men and women , men and men , women and women . Yeah , it's been going for millennia , tens of thousands of years , and it's I'm sure there was some Neanderthal there going . Ooh , ooh , ooh , man you heard me , oh Lord . He's pulling his wife there by her hair while there's a dude there . Sorry , this is too far , thanks for the visual .
Speaker 1You're welcome , but the um . There's a tribe in papua new guinea all right , talking about power and whatnot . Tribe in papua New Guinea , where , to be the ultimate man , to develop your manly strength and your power , you need to ingest as much semen as you possibly can . It's not funny . This is like a real anthropological thing .
Speaker 2Okay , I only have one question , and one question only Go .
Speaker 1How are you ingesting it ? Alright , so from very , very young age .
Speaker 2I feel like I'm gonna want to gag .
Speaker 1These kids are basically chugging down a whole heap of cum , giving each other blowjobs , right , and they're ingesting as much of it as they possibly can . So between the age of five and like 18 , 19 , 20 , whatever it is , they basically only engage in homosexual sex acts because that sperm , the semen , is giving them masculine power . But then when those motherfuckers turn of age , they marry a girl and they never look back right . So within the course of their lifetime that is very interesting they're going from the queer to the straight , the straight . But if you have a look at it as the overall course of their lifetime , it is a bisexual , it's fluid , it's a fluid thing , but you know what this is ?
Speaker 2the thing is , everything fucking comes down to stupid fucking society . Yes , and I mean society as in our society , westernized culture , there are so many different groups of people that their norm is their norm .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2And a lot of the time . All the cultures , the minority cultures , always have these things that they do in their culture that are not our norm . Who the fuck are we to say their shit's not normal ? Well , it's their normal .
Speaker 1It's their fucking normal .
Speaker 2It's their normal , just like your normal and my normal are totally different things .
Speaker 1Like , imagine those people coming over here and seeing what we were doing . They'd be like what the fuck .
Speaker 2I mean , they'll meet you and you say my name's Jordan . They'll be like that's a weird name .
Speaker 1Undo your pants .
Speaker 2Let me get your power . You can have my power , you can have all my power , I , you can have all my power . I mean , that's a very interesting , very interesting .
Speaker 1But that's the way that humans work right and across societies . We all change . Everything is cultural , and the way that we perform sex is a cultural act in its own way .
Speaker 2Everyone just needs to understand , like don't act in its own way . Everyone just needs to understand , like don't just because something isn't necessarily what your idea of normal is , how does it affect you ? Yeah it doesn't at all . Just leave people to be who they are . Don't judge them , for if someone says they're bi pan fucking , whatever , let them do them , let them do them Right .
Speaker 1And the thing is , the vast majority of people will fall into the heterosexual Mm-hmm . But we now know that there is an emerging sort of trend towards growth of people from queer identities .
Speaker 2See , okay , I have to be honest , I have a problem with that word trend trend because , okay , let me just say the idea that people think not you just think in general that they people think that it's becoming nothing is becoming shit . The only change that's happened is that people are more comfortable . Yeah , the majority of . We don't know what the majority is . The majority could be queer or could be 50-50 .
Speaker 1We don't know because right , it's a spectrum , isn't ?
Speaker 2it . It's a spectrum , but also besides the spectrum , people are not comfortable in revealing what their sexuality , what they feel sexually to the rest of the world . So we think that heterosexuality is the norm and the standard and our people are just thinking it's fucking cool now . So this is what they're doing . No , they don't think it's cool , they feel safe .
Speaker 1Yeah , and that comes down to the sort of like use of language there . So trend , whereas I use it as like a scientific thing , you use it as a scientific thing , because we're seeing data is like trending upwards , yep , but whereas you could also see trend as in , it's a trendy thing to now be clear it's a trendy thing to do People yeah , which I hate when people say that . Yeah , it's clearly not like . It's not a thing to be trended . What's the thing ?
Speaker 2that I think . Where they get confused is gay language might be trendy . You might get lots of people going , yes , queen , and all these words thrown out there and , oh , it's giving . Okay , not that that guy is giving , but all these things that gay men or gay people do and say that becomes trendy . So then people are using that yeah , cool , but that's not your sexuality and that's not the part that is trending .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2It's people using some language acting out a certain kind of way .
Speaker 1It's a cultural and social side of things , not the physical acts of it , not the physical acts of yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's my rant over sorry .
Speaker 1We were sort of talking about it the other day is seeing like you walk around schools , you walk around like any sort of skate parks and all that sort of stuff these days , anywhere where young people congregate in numbers . And back in the day we used to have the punks , the emos , the goths , yep right , because the social trend was to rebel politically against , against the norm , against the norm , politically , right , yeah . But now there seems to be a social trend to rebel , using our sexuality as a rebellious thing . And what I see because obviously I work with a lot of young people I see a lot of people who are now not so worried about the stigma that was attached and are experimenting and trying and going okay . I think I want to have a look down this road . They always find their own level , but their experimentation is a lot more available to them because the stigma has been reduced .
Speaker 2Yeah , so that's where we get . I mean , hey look , you might not be bi , you might just be curious , that's right . And then you try it and you like it , you try it , you don't like it , it's okay .
Speaker 1But it's fluid . Yes , it's fluid and it's .
Navigating Biphobia and Double Discrimination
Speaker 1The thing I've found with bisexual people , like truly bisexual people , is that they can find a female attractive in one moment . Three weeks later , they find a male more attractive , of course , and it completely switches however they move through their life .
Speaker 2That's the part that that is absolutely fascinating to me about bisexual people is the fact that , like I that's the first question I've always asked any by any by person I've ever met . So , like , what's the ratio ? Which I'm sure they probably get so pissed off about , because everyone asks like do you like guys more ? Do you like girls more ? What ? What do you like about guys ? What you like about girls ? Do you fuck more girls ? Do you fuck more boys ? What's the deal ? Do you want to date more ? So I have spoken to my bi friend and been like hey , what ? Let me ask you a few questions and how you feel about certain things . And he's basically said the exact same thing that I was thinking that he , what you're saying he is attracted to , it just depends who it is in that moment . It's not the idea that , okay , I will only be attracted to 50 females and 50 males and that is it . It is it depends .
Speaker 1Yeah , can you imagine sitting there doing like your love life as a quota ? Well , I actually have shagged too many guys this month I'm gonna get the guy , the girls up there .
Speaker 1It needs to go and find a girl , yeah it's , it's a bit odd and month I'm gonna get the guy . The girls up there need to go and find a girl . Yeah , it's , it's a bit odd and like I'm sort of sitting there thinking now my preference is for women with dark hair , yep , and darker features , right , and there have been times where I've been in a situation where there has been a very attractive dark haired girl with dark features and there's been a girl with lighter hair and lighter features and for some weird reason I found the light-haired girl more attractive in that particular moment .
Speaker 1But because , like , my sexual preference is for dark-haired , like , in a weird sort of way , that's a fluid nature of my sexuality , moving across these things , and it's the exact same for bisexual people .
Speaker 2I don't understand how people don't like , let's say , for example , straight people , how they don't understand . That applies to anything and everybody . Your way of thinking , what you do , applies to everybody . Bi people think the same as you . Gay people think the same as you , trans people , all of us , we all think exactly the same . Why do you want to put someone in a box and go ? You can only do that as a bi person . You have to have 50-50 .
Speaker 1Yeah , it's a bit weird . I think it brings into the notion biphobia . It's a bit weird , I think it brings into the notion biphobia , where both like straights and gays scared .
Speaker 2This is the issue that I have with my side of the community . Yeah , is that when you buy , you've got the gay people going that ain't real . You're not buy , you're just greedy the idea that you want more , or you're not bi , you're just scared to come out .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Like imagine literally having a group of people tell you you don't exist yeah . But then on your side of the coin you've got straight people telling that person you're gay . You're got straight people telling that person you're gay , you're not bi , yeah , you just don't want to come out as gay . So you're saying you're straight . So you've got both sides of the community telling you you ain't real .
Speaker 1I think from the straight community as well , there's been this inherent fear of bisexual people , especially during like the 80s and 90s , when AIDS was a massive thing . But bisexual people were the ones who were crossing over and bringing AIDS back into the heterosexual category and they were spreaders because they were so sexually promiscuous , because they want to shag , fucking everything . Yeah , that they're going to spread viruses to everybody . And it's all the bisexual , it's all the bad people , it's , it's them , it's there , they're the other ones they're the problems , right .
Speaker 1So there's definitely been this biphobia , but there's this double discrimination now , right yeah that's sitting up , like you said , from the gay community . It's you are gay , you're just not strong enough to be able to come out . You're not like us because you haven't been strong enough to be able to fully come out now granted , there's there's a little bit of how to put this .
Speaker 2I'm trying to figure out how to articulate this in the best way possible the issue with , I feel like , the reason why gay guys will be like , oh well , you know , you just you just get to come out . That's the only reason . Speaking from my experience , I did that . There is some truth to it . I came out to my friend that I'm bi .
Speaker 2Yeah , because that's the idea that it's easier , it's a softer landing it's a softer landing because if I say that I'm bi , I could still marry a woman , I could still date a woman . So it's like okay , cool , yeah , you , you like dudes , but it's okay because you still like girls . Yeah , versus , if I tell my you know , I come out to my parents and be like , oh uh , I'm , I'm gay . Mom and dad , oh shit , I'm never going to be a grandchild . Because immediately they think you can't have children , what the fuck ? Um , or I'm never going to experience you getting married , I'm never going to have this . But if you say , um , bye , okay , that's something that you do sometimes , but it's okay , I can deal with it , because maybe my dreams can still come true , that they might happen they might happen because you so it's an , it's an idea that it's a little bit easier .
Speaker 2So I do think that , granted , there are a lot of gay guys that will take the first step into coming out and come out as bi and then , at a later stage , come out as gay , and I think that's where that idea , that that idea comes from , that there's no such thing as bi , because it's just people coming out as as bi so that it's easier to eventually graduate to gay and that calls into question , like the fact that people have to do that to feel some level of acceptance , that that draws into question mental health .
Speaker 1Yep Bisexual people experience mental health issues at a far higher rate than gay or straight .
Speaker 2Of course , because you're getting it from fucking both sides bro .
Speaker 1That's right . That's fucked up . I feel ostracized completely by the community .
Speaker 2Imagine not feeling like you belong anywhere and you've got there's only two options one , or there's a or b , and neither a nor b will take you . You're just sitting in the center , they're going . Oh well , I'll just chill over here then , yeah , with no support whatsoever , because those people don't like me . Those people don't like me where am I ?
Speaker 1where the fuck am I ? How the fuck do I sit into ?
Speaker 2this how do I , how do I navigate my life , let alone my sexuality ?
Speaker 1Do you think there's an angle from the gay community where bisexual people are perceived as not being committed to being gay ?
Speaker 2Oh , fuck yeah .
Speaker 1It's like you're not 100% into this , so don't even come until you're ready .
Challenging Bi Erasure, Stereotypes, and Relationships
Speaker 2I remember as a very young , young , stupid gay saying , literally saying to someone I'd never date a , a bi guy because I couldn't , I can't compete with pussy , because I got what I got and that's it . And it was a young , dumb way of thinking yeah but I truly believed it .
Speaker 2And then , obviously , the older you get , the more you you learn . You realize that's the dumbest thing to ever say Cause , at the end of the day , it doesn't matter whether I like dick or pussy . If that person wants to cheat on me , for example , they're going to cheat .
Speaker 1What does ?
Speaker 2it matter . Who is it with ?
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2So I do feel like what happens in the gay community because I can only speak for the gay community is that those bi people are like nah too hard basket maybe yeah , because you know they they like girls as well . And what if , what ? What if , what if he leaves me ? What if he leaves me for a girl ? I , there's nothing I can do about that . I can , can't compete with a girl .
Speaker 1Let's talk about that dating as well , though . I think that bisexual people find it harder to get into a relationship because Preconceived ideas yeah .
Speaker 1Like , let's say you're a guy , you find a girl really attractive , you want to romantically start dating her . She's sitting there going , okay , so . But you buy , yeah . She's thinking like well , you can't be fully committed to me because every time you see a dick walking down the street you're going to want to jump on that , yeah Right . So the female might feel as though they can't fully do that . In the exact same way , if this person chooses to date a guy . In the exact same way , if this person chooses to date a guy , it's like oh , every pussy that you see walking down the street you're going to want to get into it , but I'm going to throw something out there about females right .
Speaker 2So many people that come to me .
Speaker 1I love these cancel moments , love them .
Speaker 2I feel like the problem with oh God , the problem with females , You've already been there once . Now the issue , I think , comes down to the fact that I think there are females out there . Not I think I know there are females out there that will look at a bi guy and it's almost the idea that , okay , well , if this guy takes a dick or sucks a dick , it feminizes him .
Speaker 2The emasculation of it it is oh , he's no more , he's not masculine enough . I mean , this dude could be a 6'5 , fucking basketballer with a six pack and just I don't know 12-inch dick and be like , yeah , boy , but now and again , once or twice a year , he wants to suck a dick . What's the big deal ? It doesn't change who that person is to you , but the idea that this man has done the same thing as they have taken a dick or sucked a dick the masculinity of that guy just decreases and they're no longer attracted . I mean speaking about following , you know , following TikTokers , bi TikTokers , and they all say the same thing that they find it difficult , as a bi man , to date women because women won't date them . So what they end up doing is they get more dudes and they get girls and then people go oh well , there you go . You see you're gay and it's like no , I'm not gay , I'm bi . The problem is I just can't get .
Speaker 1Can't get those girls because they won't , they won't fuck with me yeah , and when it comes down to the dating thing as well , like monogamy is normally assumed right and for a bisexual person who wants that sexual sort of release with different sexualities , like consensual non-monogamy might be a bit of a better space for them to be able to get into . But if they do want to get into a monogamous relationship with a person of either sex , yeah yeah , it's not like the fact that their sexuality means that there's some raging fucking dick that just can't be held back right Like but that's For me . I've got a fairly high sex drive right and I'm in a completely monogamous relationship . I see good-looking women walking down the street . Yep , am I crossing over ?
Speaker 2Exactly , fuck , no . Walking down the street . Am I crossing over ? Exactly fuck , no . I don't understand how straight people can't , like their brains , can't , articulate that . You know what ? It's exactly the same . It makes no difference . You , if it's exactly cheating , is cheating bro cheating's cheating simple .
Speaker 2Don't make it about being gay or being straight . At the end of the day , if you are a straight person , that is highly sexual , and you are a gay person , that's highly sexual , or a bi person , that's highly sexual . If you're going to want to fuck everything , you're going to fuck everything . That's right . It has nothing to do with who you want to fuck . That's right . It's the fact that you want to get your dick wet Spot on Fucking spot on . Let's talk about bi erasure . Okay , let's talk about it All right .
Speaker 2Let me ask you what is bi erasure ?
Speaker 1Well , I'm going to read out something from a part of a book that I read called the Epistemic Contract of Bisexual Erasure , by Kenji Yoshino . Okay , all right .
Speaker 2So it's pretty heavy academic language I was gonna say that that made my brain hurt epistemic .
Speaker 1That's one of those stds that we talked about .
Speaker 2I'm not gonna lie , that's what I think all right .
Speaker 1So it says straights and gays have a shared investment in this being by erasure , because to be straight or to be gay is to discriminate erotically on a basis of sex . Straights have a specific interest in preserving the importance of sex because sex norms are currently read through a heterosexual matrix . Yes , to be a man or a woman in contemporary american society is part defined by one's sexual attractiveness to the opposite sex . Gays also have a particular interest in sex distinctions , as homosexuality is often viewed as a way to engage in complete sex separatism , that is , as a means of creating single-sex communities that are bonded together erotically as well as socially and politically .
Unpacking Bisexual Erasure and Stereotypes
Speaker 1Bisexuality endangers all of these interests because it posits a world in which sex need not , or should not , matter as much as monosexuals want it to matter that is very interesting it is totally fucking true , though it is true , but as a straight , it's almost as though everything is set up in this world for us , bro .
Speaker 1Right , I'm gonna smack you almost motherfucker of . Everything is set up in this world for us , bro .
Speaker 2I'm going to smack you almost motherfucker , Of course it is Everything .
Speaker 1See , this is the problem with these straight people . Can I get an ?
Speaker 2amen out there .
Speaker 1One guy in like Honduras going me .
Speaker 2It is the world . In every way , shape or form is set up for you .
Speaker 1And I think since what ? 1970s ? It's slowly , slowly , not enough , but it's slowly , slowly getting to the point where it's set up for gay people .
Speaker 2It's slowly changing Slow .
Speaker 1Slow , like Joe Biden's slow changing right even slow , if that's possible but it's slowly getting to this point . Now we're creating safe space for gay people , yes , and safe space it's always been , but a space for hetero people .
Speaker 2Yep , right , but still bisexuality is being erased of course , because it's in the interest of both yeah , to get rid of it right I feel like also , the problem is is that we don't have any positive um . What's what I'm looking for ? We don't have any positive views , people out there showing us what bisexuality is . I mean , yes , like you're saying , we've recently started getting gay people and lesbian people on TV more .
Speaker 2In music , everywhere you take it cool's , there's that visibility , but there is none for bi people no think about how many times you've watched tv and you've seen a bi character oh , you don't see it . Well , now that I'm thinking about it right now on the spot , I can't think of one there's okay .
Speaker 1so there's one that I've literally just watched . What is it ? Never have I , ever , have you ever seen that show ?
Speaker 2Is that a horror one ?
Speaker 1No no . It's like this teeny sort of high school coming of age thing ?
Speaker 2No , I haven't , it's actually really good .
Speaker 1It's like a social commentary and like different engagement of cultures and stuff . Yeah , now it's showing my age . But basically there's a girl in there who flips between . And she is pretty much the only one that I have Personally seen . But you know , there's like apparently Schitt's Creek and Brooklyn Nine-Nine .
Speaker 2Schitt's Creek is fucking awesome .
Speaker 1Right , apparently those ones have got it .
Speaker 2Brooklyn Nine-Nine yes . There is like limited bisexual characters , but also it's the idea of of how that bisexual character is portrayed like it's very , for example , the , the guy in uh schitt's creek .
Speaker 2He's , he's pan , essentially right , but even the way they talk about it it's very like let's do it in this way so it's comfortable for the straights to digest . And he literally does a scene where the girl's trying to figure out if he's gay or bi or what he is , and she goes what wine do you like ? And he's like I don't know . And he's like , and she goes okay , so I like red wine and I only like red wine , that's all I drink . What about you ? And then he goes he's like okay , cool , well , I like red wine too , but sometimes I like white wine . But then there's other times where I look and I don't care about the label on the bottle , I just like the wine . And that's how they've explained , which is a great way to explain it .
Speaker 2It's really easy to understand , but again it's not like in your face . Oh , you know what I'm bi , I like both . It's okay . We have to explain in a way that is going to be acceptable for society to digest .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Do you get what I'm trying to say ?
Speaker 1Totally so , then what ?
Speaker 2happens is it's like whereas now , okay , gay is different , we used to do that with gays , Now it's kind of a little bit more . There's a gay character . I like dick .
Speaker 1Yeah , and they're getting promoted in far more positive ways . Like Eric from Sex Education Yep , positive ways . Like eric from sex education yep , yep , right . Everybody fell in love with that character .
Speaker 2Yes , because they were so compelling and they made that person out to be just like this real deep , mature and also beautiful person out there , out there , proud of who he is , and that's again testament people , fucking filmmakers out there and writers of shows . This is what you need to look at . When somebody is confident in who they are , that's when people love those characters , because they are unapologetically themselves .
Speaker 1That's right . That's right and I think so . Sex education did it really really well ? Yep , never have I ever they didn't do it so well Because basically they had this thing where it was like the girl was dating a guy , then she sort of flipped and just sort of went a little bit to the girl's side and then she came back to a guy . Yep , right , but that sort of discounts bisexuality , exactly , it's sort of saying it's trivializing it . This is exactly my point . It's trivializing and making it um almost it's almost like it's a joke .
Speaker 2Yeah , I mean it's not it's not real and this is this is where it comes from the bi erasure that oh , that's not .
Speaker 1Yeah , it's not a thing . You , it's a phase you get , phase you through it , you'll get through it .
Speaker 2You'll get over it .
Speaker 1Talking about phases , let's go to bisexuality for kicks . How many times have you been out in a nightclub and you've seen some chick hooking up with another chick to get a dick hard ?
Speaker 2Now you are starting something here , because I am very passionate about this . This might go for too long . I'm going to try Hold me back , hold me back . This shits me to fucking tears . This is the thing that irritates me the most about people out there . A chick can be there , like you saying , just to get a dude's dick hard , I'm gonna kiss , come here , let's , let's kiss so that we can make him jealous , or you know , get him heart , let him come over here . And then there's all these fucking dudes going . Oh yeah , and they think it's the most amazing thing ever .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2First of all , fuck you for basically making it harder for bisexuals out there , because this is exactly what people use when they go . You don't exist , because look at Jane over there . Jane over there , she's kissing her best mate . She's not bi , she's just doing it for fun . So you're doing fun . So you fuck up the bi community . You then fuck up the gay community as well , because why is it that a guy , if a guy , does that ?
Speaker 1oh the , if a guy did that , that motherfucker's gay .
Speaker 2He's gay as fuck . He's gay as the day is long . Yeah , immediately , chicks can do it and be like , okay , I'll just flip it and it's okay . Yeah , a guy does it , he's gay . So what you're doing is again this bi erasure , because the guy does it , he's gay and nothing else . The girl does it , oh , she's just fucking around , yeah , so then there's this bi person going dude I'm over here , finding I'm over here , but nobody's looking .
Speaker 1But nobody's fucking looking at me , just imagining like this single spotlight and this lonely dance floor and this bisexual person come , mr cellophane , no one knows my name .
Speaker 2Well , people do it or do that , I don't know . But yeah , look , I fucking hate when I had really hate when girls do that .
Speaker 1It's like , obviously as a young heterosexual guy . I sort of seen it a few times went oh , it's sort of hot yep , but now when you , when you , when you think about it when I think about it and I think that heterosexual guys as well . We do this a lot . We just go along with things because that's the normal thing . Of course you do . We don't have to think about shit .
Speaker 2Because society tells you what to think .
Speaker 1Yeah , we don't have to reflect , because society is telling us what we should and shouldn't be doing .
Speaker 2We've always gone with society , so it must be great .
Speaker 1That's great , let's just go . But realistically , you're on fucking autopilot and you are not getting the best out of yourself . You're not understanding yourself .
Speaker 2You're not understanding your sexuality . This is why I think straight men find it so difficult when shit changes . This is why straight men are like oh poor us . It's so hard for us now , Because that is the best thing I've ever had . Thank you so much , Because I'm going to use it from now on .
Speaker 1You're welcome .
Speaker 2You've been on autopilot all this time , yeah , and now you've . And people find it difficult because now I have to take the wheel for a little bit Because there is no autopilot . It's been shut down , it's been turned off , and fuck , what am I supposed to do ? People are giving me the responsibility to be um , I don't know to be accountable for my actions . For example , autopilot's off . Fuck , that's beautiful . I love that , thank you , but that's it .
Speaker 1The autopilot is literally what it is and it's that that's pervades sort of sexual orientation , it pervades against relationship types . It goes with everything , and maybe we might talk about that when we do an episode on monogamy as well , because it's it applies to both yeah , um , but yeah , one other thing I wanted to ask , and this is more like a thought thing I'm interested like a thought thing .
Speaker 1I'm interested . Bisexuality by its name means that by two , so you're attracted to two sexes . What happens if a person identifies as bisexual but is attracted to a trans person ? Can they call themselves bisexual or are they pansexual ?
Speaker 2so this is the thing . So , um , again , I was talking to my friend and that's actually what he brought up . Um , he said that because I know , I know what he kind of finds attractive sometimes and he likes feminine guys or trans women , yeah , trans women . So a woman that has a uh , wait , I have to make sure I say this , of course . Oh , if I say it wrong , a person assigned male at birth , yeah , that is now a female , yeah , has transitioned to into a female , so that's what he finds attractive sometimes . He has basically said that , yes , it's more pansexual , but he identifies as bi , which again , for me , comes down to I've said this so many times in so many different episodes what identifies someone is what they identify as Totally . It's literally that simple . You want to know what they identify as Totally it's literally that simple .
Speaker 2You want to know what somebody is . Ask them Are you pansexual ? Are you ? What do you ? What's your little box that you jump into ? Are you straight ? I'm straight . There's so many jokes there , so you jump into a box .
Speaker 1I jump into a straight box .
Speaker 2So yeah , straight . There's so many jokes there , so you jump into a box , I jump into the straight box . So yeah , it's . It is a very and look , people might not know what the difference between pan and buy is yeah because they'll be like oh well , isn't that just just buy ? But pansexual means okay , you in . You . Basically , like I was saying before , you like the wine that's in the bottle . You don't care about the label on the outside .
Speaker 1Sometimes you just mix those fucking bottles together .
Speaker 2Sometimes you just take both and put them in your mouth and I'm talking about wine .
Speaker 1Calm down , you dancing motherfucker I love it . I love it .
Supporting LGBTQ+ Youth and Advocacy
Speaker 1I think let's wrap up by talking about the future .
Speaker 2Okay , let's talk about the future .
Speaker 1I like the future , not back to the future , not like Michael J Fox and shit .
Speaker 2That was my favourite favourite movie as a kid . That was great .
Speaker 1It shows our age , yeah but from my side of things , I'm definitely seeing younger kids , the younger generation , so much more comfortable to be able to come out as bisexual because they're more Definitely seeing younger kids , the younger generation , so much more comfortable to be able to come out as bisexual Because there is a space for them to be safer now , because they have , for example , let's just say you , you are not the idea of what a man is from 10 , 20 years ago . You're a modern dad .
Speaker 2You're a modern friend , you're a modern male . You understand that there's more out there than just A and B .
Speaker 1Yeah , we've got a whole alphabet . We've got a whole Fucking alphabet and numbers .
Speaker 2What do we call ourselves ? We call ourselves the alphabet mafia . I love that . It's still my favorite . So , yeah , I mean because you , there's people like you in the world that make it comfortable for younger people to be able to be more open and think about their sexuality . They are being more open and thinking more about their sexuality .
Speaker 1Yeah , and I think it's it's . It's both what gets lived in as real world experience , but it's also young kids now live more of a digital life as well , so a lot of their experience comes from online activities and sharing online stories . So basically , they're surrounding themselves with the people who they want to make their tribe .
Speaker 2It's easier to surround themselves with their tribe that's right Than it is physically , because you might go to school where there's only it's only a boy's school , only a girl's school easier to surround themselves with their tribe , that's right . And then it is physically because you might not . You might go to school where there's only it's only a boy school , only a girl school . You don't have that ability , whereas you can go online , google and search for a group of people and you can find your community .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's always been my goal in life is to always make sure that when it comes to younger people , I will always use language . I will always do things that make sure that any young person within my vicinity of my life that I might see deal with that they always understand that I will always be a safe space for , regardless of whatever it is you feel , where you are , what you do , I'm your . I'm the person that always feel like , if you can't speak to your parents about anything , for example , like , forget sexuality , just in general , I'm the person that I'm going to make sure that I don't have to tell you , but I'm going to do everything in my actions to make sure that any person out there in general , feels comfortable enough to be able to come to me and say hey look , I can't speak to anybody else , but can I talk to you about something ? Do you know what I mean ? And yes , sometimes that's sexuality , sometimes that's just life stuff , maybe drugs or whatever the case may be .
Speaker 2But I think as a society , as people , we need to do that more to make sure that people feel comfortable to be able to talk to you , whether you're a parent , whether you're an uncle , auntie , whatever . We need to create that safe space for human beings to be able to come to us and say , hey , I want to talk about something with you .
Speaker 1Yeah , and I think that that's also like a bit of a . It's like an easier thing for a gay person to be able to do right , because you've already gone through that , because you understand , and people sit there and go . That person's going to understand because they have gone through the shit , yes , whereas for somebody to approach me they're like heterosexual . They've already got this preconceived notion of that . Guy's gonna fucking rip my head off , but if you if you put out there all the time that's true , subtly yeah , by your language , by what you say , what you do that person go .
Speaker 2Oh , he is a straight , oh he looks like an alpha kind of dude , but he I remembered that one time he did say this about , for example , that person's trans , I trans . I remember him talking about trans people and saying , oh , that was pretty cool .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Or I remember him saying that he would never care if his kid was gay , bi , trans or whatever . Oh , maybe I can talk to him .
Speaker 1Yeah , it sets up like a little bit of a sort of softening and expectation and whatnot You're setting up like a little safety net that this person go okay , you know what , that and expectation and whatnot .
Speaker 2You're setting up like a little safety net that this person go okay , you know what . That's how I see how they are , but maybe I can't talk to them because of what they've portrayed to me in the past .
Speaker 1Yeah , I like that , and I think a lot of that comes down to advocacy , yep Right , not just sort of being there as a voice voice , but actually going out of your way to say , hey , this is completely okay , yeah , it's fine . And if you see somebody talking shit , you know , or fucking bisexuals are this , or gay people are this or whatever dude actually yes , they fucking yes , they fucking do . Just calm your phone , just sit , have a beer and put your hand back down your pants . You fucking Neanderthal . But like it becomes that advocacy .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1And then if the person is open to it . In fact , no , maybe you shouldn't say that . I think there's a space for education in the right setting .
Speaker 2You have to know Right when you can educate somebody In the right setting . You have to know .
Speaker 1You have to know when you can educate somebody . Don't just sit there and think that you can go out and fucking talk to everybody and try to educate everybody , because there's a lot of people you cannot .
Speaker 2But also , I think , just besides people , that you cannot educate . My thing has always been I will teach you about something if you ask about it .
Speaker 1If you ask about it , I'm never going to be the person that's going to be out and going . Hey , do you ? Have you heard about our Lord , jesus Christ and our Savior ? Don't knock on my door and give me that it's nine o'clock on a fucking Sunday morning and if that's what you're doing , good for you .
Speaker 2You do you , but I'm not going to be that person . I'm not going to be out . You know , sitting talking about . I just realized what I'm going to say , which I'm doing right now , Still talking about sex to everybody . But it's your choice . If you listen to it .
Speaker 1That's it .
Speaker 2In the exact same way . I'm not going to be sitting there on my soapbox going oh , my God let me tell you about dicks .
Speaker 1Yeah , just imagine knocking on somebody's door at 9 o'clock in the morning . Let me tell you about our Lord dick .
Speaker 2Do you want to know about dicks and how much I like them ? No , I'm not going to do that because , if you ask me , sure , 100% , because also you need that person to feel safe , yeah , to ask those questions , yes . So when you ask them , ask away , I'll tell you .
Speaker 1Yeah , no , I love that man .
Speaker 2I'm off my soapbox officially right now . Done , step down .
Speaker 1And the door's just , doorbell's just rang . I think there's some Mormons out the front . I'm going to let my cocker spaniels attack them .
Speaker 2You can't say that .
Speaker 1Why not ?
Speaker 2Don't let them be attacked by the cocker spaniel . Cocker spaniel . Oh , you're ridiculous oh my God , oh , you're ridiculous . Oh my God , I'm actually ridiculous . Well , I'm going to say , that's it .
Speaker 1On that note , I think we've covered bisexuality .
Speaker 2We did .
Speaker 1Yeah , I think if there's any listeners out there who want to know a little bit more , maybe reach out to us . Yeah , there's always more to be spoken about . There's always more to be spoken about .
Speaker 2And again , look , let's preface this by saying none of us are bisexual .
Speaker 1No .
Speaker 2And hopefully one day we can get someone on the show to talk about it a bit more and in depth , but just that's it .
Speaker 1And I think I'll leave it as well For the people out there who are listening , like I'm getting a lot of messages saying , hey , can you cover this , can you cover that ? And we sort of do like a little bit of a surface level . Yeah , just so that people start understanding scratch the surface . We're scratching the surface , but we want to go deeper into certain topics . But , yeah , we want to go deeper . I love going deeper oh , as far as deep as I possibly can go .
Speaker 1Oh my god , um , but I want to go all the way down and , but I I want our audience to sort of have some input on that .
Speaker 2I want them to drive the show and tell us where we should take it you know , because right in , yeah , social media , tiktok , instagram , get , get in contact with us yeah , because the , the shows that we think are going to go huge , might not Sometimes don't .
Speaker 1And then the shows that we think are going to do absolutely nothing Just fucking fly through the roof . Take off like fucking , no , like the Sizeplay episode .
Speaker 2I never thought that was going to be so good .
Speaker 1That has got 500% more downloads than any other show that we've done . That's hilarious Size play . It's literally our biggest episode in every voice show before .
Speaker 2So look people out there , get in contact with us , tell us what you want to hear , what do you like , and then you know what we can work around that and add our little sprinkle to it , my little gay sprinkle , jordan's straight man sprinkle . Do you sprinkle as a straight man ?
Speaker 1I don't know like just throw it always sprinkle , always sprinkle . So yeah , all right , let's wrap it up . All right , then over and out pieces . Thanks for tuning in to today's episode of super sex . We hope you found our discussion both enlightening and entertaining it's been a pleasure sharing insights with you all .
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Speaker 1Super sex , where we explore the many facets of sex and relationships . One conversation at a time . Catch you next week . Ain't nobody else in it ? I'm proud to say she's mine .
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