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Super Sex
Supersex was a podcast exploring sexuality, relationships, and sex education that ran from July 2024 to December 2025.
The show was created during an earlier stage of my professional journey as I developed my work as a sexologist, educator, and communicator. Through conversations with guests and discussions on a wide range of topics, Supersex aimed to make sexuality education more accessible, practical, and relevant to everyday life.
As my work has evolved, so too has the focus of the conversations I want to have.
In 2026, Supersex will be re-launched as The Jordan Walker Show.
The new show will explore relationships, sexuality, human behaviour, education, masculinity, digital culture, and the challenges facing young people and adults in the modern world. Drawing on research, professional experience, and conversations with leading experts, the show will focus on helping listeners better understand themselves, their relationships, and the people around them.
Thank you to everyone who listened, supported, appeared on, and contributed to Supersex.
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Super Sex
Exploring Circumcision and Female Genital Mutilation
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What if all those beauty standards about body image and genitalia are totally holding you back from owning your true self? In this episode, we're diving headfirst into the hilarious, yet deeply important world of body myths, genital misconceptions, and all the weird pressures society throws our way. From porn's impact on what we think about masculinity to the wild expectations around "big dick energy," we’re here to rip apart those unrealistic ideals and talk about what really matters—confidence beyond your body parts.
We’re taking a fun ride through history, too—because guess what? Even in ancient Greece, people were obsessed with this stuff! You'll see how these ideas about masculinity have evolved (or not) and why some folks go to crazy lengths with risky body modifications today. Spoiler alert: women aren’t off the hook either, and we’re here to dig into the shared struggle of chasing that perfect look.
But it’s not all surface-level! We’re tackling the big issues, from circumcision to female genital mutilation—yep, we went there. We're breaking down the ethics, the pressures, and why consent and bodily autonomy are non-negotiable. Plus, we'll talk about the rising "intactivist" movement and give some love to the intersex community, exploring the tough choices and challenges they face.
So, buckle up—this episode is packed with personal stories, laughs, and real talk about embracing your body, imperfections and all!
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Revelations on Body Image and Genitalia
Speaker 1Yo , buckle up for another super sex episode . Today we're diving into a juicy one Body image , genitals , circumcision and yep , we're gonna go there . Female genital mutilation we're talking about how we see our bodies , the weird and wild ways society shapes those views and the stuff we rarely talk about when it comes to our private parts , whether you're packing a penis or rocking a vulva , there's so much more to the story than you might think , from cultural norms to medical practices . We're breaking it all down . So grab a drink , get comfy and let's tackle this one Head on . Hey to all the straights , gays and nays . Welcome to Super Sex , the podcast where we have conversations and share our perspectives on sexuality , sex and more .
Speaker 2I'm Sheldon and I'm Jordan , two friends , one straight , one gay , taking on all things sex .
Speaker 1How are you man ? You alright .
Speaker 2I'm doing good . How are you ?
Speaker 1I'm good man . I'm good , you know . Actually I've been working with a lot of different guys over the last few weeks . Been working with a lot of different guys over the last few weeks that sounds ominous . Well , it sort of is right , because all the shit they keep talking about is it all comes back down to their dicks . Everything revolves back down to either their dick or somebody else's genitals .
Speaker 2I have a question as a gay man , obviously about I think about dicks , but what is the obsession with straight dudes and dicks ? Because I Drawing dicks ? I ask this all the time . Every time at work someone draws a dick on my desk or something I'm like why , why are you so obsessed with dicks ? Everything has got to do with you straight boys and your dicks .
Speaker 1It's a cultural thing , though , everywhere there , and your dicks , oh , it's like it's a . It's a cultural thing , though everywhere there's fucking dicks like . We were just in bali last week , right , and we went through the monkey forest up in the bud and everything .
Speaker 2There is all about dicks and tits yes , I love bali , where you get those big wooden dicks .
Speaker 1Right , they're everywhere , and it seems to be as well that like the bigger the dick the better , apparently , but that's a cultural phenomenon all the way around . Yeah , well , that's . Everyone around the world thinks big is better , big is better . And so the guys that I've been working with , what they've been drawing it back to is that if they don't have a big dick , then they are inferior or they can't pleasure their girl or they're not masculine enough . They're not masculine enough , yeah , right . But the thing is , the guys I've been working with , they've all got average or above average size cocks . Yep , there was one dude I was talking with with . He had like a seven inch dick and he was worried about his size because he couldn't pleasure his girl .
Speaker 2Yeah , well , we spoke about this so many times . Even we all know this voice goes back to porn , because you see a 10 inch dick and you think that's normal see , but this is a thing right like with .
Speaker 1In this particular instance , I don't know if it was because his girl was playing or wanting to play around with bigger dildos . Okay , right .
Speaker 2Okay , so that made him feel like wait , hold on . Am I not big enough that you want bigger right ?
Speaker 1so it became like a total insecurity thing for right so it's like it's this whole thing where your dick size is tied to your masculinity , which is tied to your ability to be a partner yeah , which is and sometimes to be a man , to be a man , right , because masculinity and your dick is Apparently they go hand in hand .
Speaker 2Look , that's where the whole thing comes from . Big dick energy , bro , yeah , big dick energy . When a dude , you can tell that dude's got a big dick because he's got big dick , why what's big dick energy ? Masculine , like you know , alpha male confidence . He has to be confident . He's got a big dick . Actually , I don't , I don't agree , I don't , I disagree well , that's it .
Speaker 1And it seems to be like , especially from my sort of um understanding , my experience so far even guys with bigger dicks are coming up with issues related to their size .
Speaker 2They still think that their dicks are not big enough .
Speaker 1But the thing is there's now this sort of dimension of what's happening is a lot of things are going out into porn and porn has been like . You know that's responsible because all you see in porn is like 11-inch cocks , right , yep . So of course you're going to sit there and go . Well , that's a normal-sized dick and anything below that is , you know , below average , is that there's like . Now , if you walk into adult shop or like any good sort of sex toy shop , you see your normal range of dildos and then you see these larger ones , the fire hydrant , the fire hydrants right the ones that we got from hankies .
Speaker 1But the thing is is that the majority of sex toys sold dildos especially are six inches . Yes , right , so they're average . But when people walk into these sex toy shops , they see these massive dildos and they go , okay , that's what women are buying . So , therefore , that's what women want . And all of a sudden , like I can't measure up to that . So now I've got an issue . Yep , what the fuck am I going to do about my dick to get me better ?
Speaker 2Yeah , but that might just be one person . One person might just want to know what it feels like . We've spoken about size play already right , yeah . There might be this one person that's like you know what ? I want to know what it's like to have something bigger , just to see if I can try it . It might not necessarily mean that there's anything wrong with the dude and the size of his dick . It might just be . I want to try something else .
Speaker 1Oh , it's like- .
Speaker 2Try something thicker , maybe .
Speaker 1My favourite dinner is steak and asparagus . If you put steak and asparagus in front of me every single night- .
Speaker 2At some point I'd be fucking sick of it . Right At some point , you want some anchovy butter on that steak . Is that something ? When you want some anchovy butter on that steak ?
Speaker 1That's right , it's the exact same with like dicks and dildos . You can have the same dick every single night , but eventually at one point you're going to want to try and just spice it up a little bit . And the guys I've been working with especially . They have been sitting there thinking that because their girl is playing with a larger dildo or whatever , then that's an issue . But there's a flip side to it as well , right ? Because they're getting angry about the fact that their girls are wanting to play with bigger toys and they're afraid to tell their boys , right ?
Speaker 2But the thing is , if you talk about it , you might find out that you all might have the same issue , and then you can go wait , hold on .
Speaker 1But this is it right there's no conversation happening with all of these different people , Because you don't talk about that , because it's two Exactly right .
Speaker 1But , like a few of the guys , are actually sitting there going . Well , my girl never told me that she's into size play , so now I feel like this is a problem and I'm like , well , of course you've got to think about it from her perspective , right , Because on top of , you know the fact that she's going to start making you feel insecure , because clearly that's a fucking issue here , you know . But apart from that , she's also got to sit there and worry about the whole cultural thing that's going to come on her . Exactly what ?
Speaker 2are you ? What are you going to say ? What do you think about her ? Exactly ? You're going to start thinking , oh , she's a little bit of a slut because she she likes bigger dicks or she wants more in her .
Speaker 1She want to be dp'd right , because where if a guy's got a big dick , hurrah , but if a girl's got a big pussy , there's like all sorts of shame there . Like you said , she's a slut , she's this , she's that , she's promiscuous , blah , blah , blah . So girls obviously don't want to talk about their desire to play around with larger toys with their partners , because it's going to get them slut chained exactly I'm trying to think
Exploring Canons of Masculinity and Pornography
Speaker 1about .
Speaker 2Does that work the same way in the gay community ? I'm just trying to think I don't think I've ever . Yeah , I feel like guys do always do that thing . If you , if you're a bottom , they're like oh , are you tight ? Yeah , right , they do that as well . But I'm trying to think about it . It's . I don't think it's nowhere near as bad as the straight community . But there is that thing like I've had dudes ask me a few times oh yeah , um , I bet it's really tight . Or are you really tight ? I'm like I don't fucking know . It's a fucking muscle . It goes back , bro , don't worry .
Speaker 1Is there a tightness scale that I can reference ?
Speaker 1again , I can get one finger , two fingers or four , what do you want ? Depends how aroused . You are right , exactly , oh man . But yeah . So this whole thing of genitals and how much we sort of put into them , it's just like it's crazy , it's fucking crazy , it's crazy . And then on top of that , right so , like I've been doing , been working with these guys , I've been doing a lot of study because I'm writing a book about size play . Yep , been doing a lot of study around dicks , not the sort of study you're doing , but different sort of studies .
Speaker 2I was just about to say what kind of study are you doing ? Do you want to compare notes ? But yeah , look , my study is a lot different . Yeah , right .
Speaker 1But that study that I've been doing , it's sizes so central to a lot of people's masculinity and it is so central to so many different things that it's understandable that it's in the culture , right , but it's across the board , it's across the board and it's been across the board for millennia .
Speaker 2Yes , it has always been and always will be . People think the same way , right , they're always going to think that a bigger dick means I know back in the day it was a bigger dick means um , he's virile and he's gonna .
Speaker 1he's gonna fuck me and he's depends where you are depends where you are , because if you were in america and like the slave slave trading era , like 17 , early 1800s , if you had a big dick , you were linked as being like animalistic and couldn't control your urges and it was no good , and that basically came from ancient Greece . That's why , like all , the statues have got tiny little peckers .
Speaker 2Yes , right , yes , yes , yes , because I saw that somewhere .
Speaker 1Having a big dick back in ancient .
Speaker 2Greece meant basically you're a fucking barbarian . Yes , right , give me the barbarians .
Speaker 1I don't understand what's the issue here . Where's all the barbarians ?
Speaker 2But I think maybe it's also . I feel like it was these guys in power that had little dicks , so we're like we're going to start this rumor .
Speaker 2So that people go my little dick is the perp , that's what I need , because he's you know , it's a solid three inches . It's a solid three inches . And also , back then , women didn't need to be pleased . Do you know what I mean ? Why would a woman need to be pleased ? Exactly , they didn't need to please no woman , because it was all about them . So you know what ? They probably didn't care about their dick size because they didn't have to please them .
Speaker 1You know what , though , talking about pleasure and stuff , there was a study done in like early 1800s . They did studies in the 1800s . Well , there was a female who did a study in the east end of London . Okay , right , nonetheless . She did this study and she basically got a whole heap of questions and go how many times do you have sex a week ? How many do you always orgasm during sex ? And I think it was like how many partners , or there was a few other different questions , yeah , but nonetheless , they did the exact same study in the 2020s . Right , they got the exact same questions in the exact same place and asked the exact same amount of people . Right , they came up with the fact that people were having sex on average , about the same time , about the same frequency .
Speaker 1So , a couple of times a week , yep , but female orgasm Was up , was way down , down , way down Now , way down now , as opposed to back in the Victorian era . Isn't that interesting ? But it makes total sense , right ? Because when that study was conducted , victoria was banging um prince albert and those two were horny little fuckers , right ? So the whole society was about orgasm . Female female orgasm means female health , yep , so therefore , you need to fucking get out there and like come for your own health .
Speaker 1but but when Albert died it all changed . Oh , good old Prince Albert . And I think it was like the 1867 obscenity act came in and like everything just went fucking dead . Bring it back . Bring it back , Get rid of the obscenity act .
Speaker 2Get rid of it . I don't even know what it is , but let's get rid of it . It's fucking obscene .
Speaker 1It is . It's fucking obscene , but yeah , so I think getting back to like dicks and genitals .
Speaker 2Oh , you can definitely get back to dicks , push back on those dicks .
Speaker 1But like there's a rising rate of guys getting their dicks cut up and injected with shit , now to To stay hard To stay hard to get bigger .
Speaker 2I didn't know that was a thing until I watched- . What was I watching ? I think I was like watching- . I don't think it was a TikTok . It might have been like a documentary on porn stars gay porn stars and they're talking about . You either do the jab in your dick or you take the blue pill . I'm like jab in the dick , yeah . Why the fuck are they jabbing their dicks ? Because- . And who wants to jab ?
Speaker 1the dicks ? I wouldn't have a fucking clue . But , like the other thing is , how many people are actually getting their dicks surgically fucking altered ? That's a thing . Thatically fucking altered that's a thing . That's a thing . That's not a thing , but it is , and it's like a growing thing , right , because now what's happening is that these guys see a longer dick , a thicker dick , on porn . They get all these body issues from it , and boys get more body issues from porn than girls do .
Speaker 2yeah , fun fact I feel like that I was gonna say that does make sense . But does it though ? Yeah , it does make sense .
Speaker 1It makes sense , yeah it totally does because , like we only have one representation , when was the last time that you've seen a small dick in porn ? I don't think I've ever seen a small dick in porn , exactly , but when was the last time that you've seen like big tits or small tits , or , you know , big girl , small girl ?
Speaker 2big labia .
Speaker 1Wrong person , wrong person . I'll tell you right now . Right , you see the whole gamut of female bodies . Right , you see the whole gamut of female bodies in porn , because that's what guys are wanting .
Speaker 2Hey , I do watch straight porn sometimes . Sometimes Do you yeah ?
Speaker 1Oh , that's so cool Look at your face .
Speaker 2I'm like what .
Speaker 1Yeah , I do .
Speaker 2I watch straight porn sometimes .
Speaker 1Blown away .
Speaker 2That is so cool . The weird part for me is straight porn is I can get off on it . It's cool At the end of the day . There's a dig , there's a dick , there's a hole . I'm looking at the dick , it's fine . The weird part for me is when I , when I'm scrolling and I see a trans dude that I didn't think was a trans dude , because I'm like it's this muscular dude with like hair all over and they're just getting absolutely railed from behind , I'm like yeah , and they turn and I was like , huh , where the dick at ? And there's no dick because it's a trans guy and I'm like my brain is like it's just like short circuiting .
Speaker 2I don't know how to feel about this , because he's hot , I can watch it and it's good . But then I'm like where's the dick's dick ? It is , but I do like it though , but I will say it like it catches you off guard because you're like , okay , cool , cool , I know , I know I'm expecting yeah , yeah , you watch like for 10 minutes , you're getting into it , change positions , wait what ? I don't know how did that happen ? I was't . This is not what I signed up for this particular occasion , but yes , I do watch straightball that's okay
Overcoming Physical Insecurities
Speaker 2.
Speaker 1You look generally intrigued . I , I really am , and I think there's so many like off-camera questions that I need to ask here . But go for gold , get getting back to the whole dick thing . Right ? Like guys see so much more like a singular focus on size , right ? Girls don't get that from porn . They don't have that singular focus on a particular body type , whether it's big tits or small tits or whatever . But nonetheless , all these guys are now going out there requesting surgery because they've got a hell of a lot of body issues related to them . So they want bigger dicks . They want bigger dicks . The problem is to get a bigger dick , to get a longer dick , you actually need to cut what they call a suspensory ligament in the cock and stretch it all out , and then I'm not a surgeon , so they've got some way of fucking , tubing it all out .
Speaker 1I'm loving the actions there but they've got some way of like extending it all out , but they need to cut that ligament , which is seriously fucking problematic because if it heals , but I'm sure it's there for a reason . Yeah , because it keeps your dick up . That ligament is responsible for keeping your dick up . Yeah , but when you cut it , if it scars in the wrong way , your dick's going to be like oh that , or left or right up down .
Speaker 2Left right or all ways Just doing helicopters .
Speaker 1It's just like a fucking woggle . Okay , so that's really interesting . Guys are going through that . But on the same token , females are getting labiaplasties and vaginoplasties because they're worried about their vaginas being too loose or they're worried about their lips being too big . All right , all right , okay , cool . So bothes I was going to say genders , but I can't say that because that's completely inaccurate , right ? But both sexes are now going out there and getting all these fucking massively invasive modifications done to their body , just based on , like , something that's in their head , that's come from society , that they haven't even asked their partner about .
Speaker 2Interesting , do you know ? Okay , I , I don't know if I'm going to put you on the spot here , but I'm going to . Let me put you on the spot for a second . Sure , okay , give me one insecurity , physical insecurity of yours . Don't want to be too deep , just give me one insecurity of yours . Oh , you can't think he's perfect I'm definitely not .
Speaker 1I get my feet .
Speaker 2They're fucking manky why did you speak ? Because I'm gonna agree , because I fucking hate feet . I was an ultra runner , okay . So , for example , okay , cool your feet . My insecurity , one of mine is , uh , top lip . The space between my nose and my lip is really big . I want it to be short , okay , see your face . See your face . Yeah , all right . Why are you making that face ?
Speaker 2because it looks perfectly natural and normal , right , so that my this . I always ask people this , ask them . Usually I think about for three things , but for this we'll use this one . The point is okay , normally if you've chosen anything else besides a fucking foot . I hate feet , so I'm gonna agree with you this time . But the idea is that what I find , what I'm insecure about this , this little piece here you didn't see . I could probably go and ask 10 different people and they'd be like never noticed it . Oh , the other thing is , my nose is skewed . Do you your nose ?
Speaker 1is skewed , exactly guaranteed .
Speaker 2It's not as soft as mine so , for example , I think my nose is skewed , needs to be straightened , but that's an insecurity . Exactly this is my point is that you don't see it . So my point about insecurities is I'm insecure about my crooked nose and my top lip because in my head , my idea is that other people are going to look at me and judge me for those things . But I've just put it out there and other people are saying never noticed it . So the point about what I'm trying to make is it's all in your head . You're the one that's creating these insecurities . You're basing it on other people's perception of you , but those other people don't see it . That's right . So the point is it's a mute point yeah because you're pointless you're basically hyper
Speaker 2analyzing yourself . You hyper analyze yourself . You're making these assumptions that other people on . Are you think that people are going to judge you for not being attractive enough because of this ? In the same way , my dick's not big enough because I think one girl told me it was average , for example , or small . So now I'm gonna go and be like , yep , she might have just been a bitch that day and was like you know what ? I know the one thing that'll hurt him . I'll just say stick small , not realizing she's gonna fuck him up for life . But the point being is that our insecurities are ours . We're the ones that create them , it's not anybody else .
Speaker 1Nine times out of ten , and there I think as well that we forget the whole point of sex . Right ? If ? If a girl just wanted us for our dicks , or if a guy just wanted us for our dicks , they'd likely go out and buy the exact , perfect dildo for them . True , because they can get the size , they can get the shape , they can get the texture , the colour , whatever they want , and they can shove it into a drawer and pull it out whenever the fuck they want .
Speaker 2They can shove it wherever the fuck they want Look this is very , I have to agree , because I don't love dildos . I will use one now and again and I'm like cool , I can have a good time , but generally I don't pull them out because I want what's attached to the dick as well , because you come up for connection .
Speaker 2Right , because I want a Look . I'm not the kind of dude that wants oh , I see you now talking , you're off to glow . And no , I want physical connection . I want to be able to touch this person , sometimes kiss that person . I want everything that comes with it . Yes , I can stick a freaking , I can stick a toothbrush up there , yeah , and feel the same pleasure . But it's not going to be the whole . It's the whole package that makes you go great sex . Great sex doesn't come from the size of the person's dick . No , yes , it's got something to do with it , but great sex , to me , the best sex I've ever had was with a guy that everything just connected and that's what it is , though .
Speaker 1It's a . It's the way they use their hands . It's the way that the energy feels between the people . It's the way that you say their mouth , their tongue , exactly if they're talking to you and saying the right thing and like , how many times have you had it though , where you've got into the bedroom , you've started enjoying it , and then it's just been like all the acts have been there , like the kissing , the touching , the bloody , blah , blah , but there's zero communication , zero dirty talk . You don't Not that I don't like it .
Speaker 1I like it All right . So think about it in a converse way , where everything's there and then the person is just talking way too much , right ?
Speaker 2Oh , I've had somebody have a conversation not dirty talk conversation with me , so with me during sex , and I was like no , no , no , no , no , no , no .
Speaker 1Yeah , see , and basically what I'm saying about that is that if something as simple as words can throw you off completely from having sex . A bigger or smaller dick is not going to make all that much difference . Exactly , and for girls , don't worry about the size of your pussy , because we've got pelvic floor muscles and they're really fucking tight , like we talked about with Freya . They're too fucking tight , yes , in most people .
Speaker 2So these insecurities don't make sense ? They don't , they don't . But at the same time , no , we're not trying to like minimize anybody's feelings and stuff , get that , because we all have insecurities and we can't help what our mind thinks . But uh , we're here to let them all know . Just remember , this is in your head . It might not be . Look , there's someone that might like those manky ass feet of yours . It's definitely not me . He literally fucking likes these manky ass feet , but you know what ?
Speaker 2I can guarantee you there's going to be a person that would see your feet and be like ooh , those are some nice ass feet , I want to do something with them . I want a toe job or something . Nice-ass feet , I want to do something with them . I want a toe job or something . I don't know . I think that there'll be a problem . I personally think there's a problem with them , but hey , there's going to be someone that likes them .
Speaker 1If you're that person stop watching right now . Go to the hospital and figure that shit out . Oh man , okay , okay . So fuck feet . He's the suck of the feet . But this idea of like getting our junk changed yeah , that's been going on for fucking millennia as well . Okay , think about female genital mutilation . Yes , All right , whether you want to call it like female genital mutilation , cutting , changing whatever right , that is basically cutting parts of the anatomy off for either to reduce the pleasure , to keep a woman in line or to make them more marriageable .
Speaker 2Okay , or like religious purposes or cultural purposes and stuff .
Speaker 1Yeah , so it's either religious , cultural or social right . They're like the three reasons why somebody's going to cut their junk . But like that female genital mutilation that's been so prevalent right ? And when I say female genital mutilation to you , what's your immediate reaction ? It makes you fucking icked out right , yes exactly Imagine cutting somebody's junk off so that they couldn't feel pleasure . That's fucked . It's completely fucked . Yeah , and literally everybody listening here is going to sit there and go , yeah , that's fucked , it's completely fucked .
Speaker 2Yeah , and like literally everybody listening here is gonna sit there and go , yeah , that's what's the difference in me saying you know what , I'm gonna cut your eyes out so you can't see , just so that I don't know you can for my personal gain , or you know , that's just what I decided today . Yeah , that's the thing that we need to do . You need to be blind .
Speaker 1Let me cut your eyes out see , I don't , I don't quite get it . I don't understand why this is a thing . Yeah , because , like to cut somebody , like that , we're basically stripping them of a part of their lives , completely right . And like you take away the clitoris , you take away the labia , you take away the you know , labia majora , labia minora Basically , you're pulling away pleasure from that person . And the thing is there's a few different reasons why it was done , but like people come away with the idea of cleanliness and that it looks neater , like To who , to who , to who , to the fucking men , right , like I guarantee no woman was ever fucking born with , just like a , a natural vagina , and looked down at it and said , oh no my major thing here is to get all of that consent .
Speaker 2That's my only thing I'm thinking of , because if this has been done to little kids , no consent . I do not believe that there is a female out there that's going through that without medical reasons to do it , just because consensually saying , yeah , you know what , yep , go on , I want this done like there is literally no medical reason to have your clitoris removed .
Speaker 1None .
Speaker 2I mean , I feel like it's a little bit different for men . So I feel like a man can go . You know what ? I don't like ? The way it looks . I want to look like Okay , let's say , for example , I'm cut and my dad isn't , and my brother isn't .
Speaker 1And I just want to be like line with them . Can I have it done cool ?
Speaker 2that's okay . I don't see a situation where a female is going to go . I might be wrong , but go , hey , cut my shit off . Like they are getting in time with the labia , though , yes , with the labia . I can understand , because of , again , what we're talking about before thinking that it's not pretty enough .
Speaker 1Yeah , so it's definitely happening with the labia .
Speaker 2Yep .
Speaker 1But the clitoris , that is a completely different thing .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 1And then there are some forms of this sort of mutilation I'm going to call it because that's what it is to me , yep when they actually stretch the labia over the top of the vaginal opening and stitch it all back closed . What the fuck ? To make the hole tighter ? That's fucked . The problem is is that that creates like an artificial barrier and when a female gets a period it collects blood and spools blood Ugh Blood inside the body . That's not supposed to be there , causes infections and sepsis and fucking death .
Speaker 1So , like this , female genital mutilation is actually killing women like not just the act of when it's having it done because , like a lot of time , it's done on four-year-old girls or six six-week-old girls laying down in a paddock with a load of women around them with a fucking rusty knife . That is so fucked up . Fair enough . It's starting to get a little bit more medicalised now and it is starting to reduce a lot in Africa , which is where it mainly happens , but nonetheless it still happens . Yeah , and to have all of that done , especially like the covering over the top of the vagina why would you cover the vagina for the sake ?
Speaker 2of the male Exactly . This is for a kid .
Speaker 1And it's a kid and the parents are sitting there going . That's completely fucking cool because that's going to make her more agreeable and marriageable later on down the line . So they think they're doing something good for the kid .
Speaker 2And that's the sad part is that when you're stuck in your culture , you might not know any better . This might be being done in a village in our state of nowhere that don't have internet , phones or whatever , and they don't know any better and they're thinking you know , we're going to do it to our kid because this is what we've been told always we should do , because that means she's going to get married and maybe she'll get a nice husband who's got money that will take her away and she'll have a better life .
Speaker 1Yeah , which is fucked up . It really is fucked up . It really is fucked up .
Debating Circumcision and Body Image
Speaker 1But here's the next thing right , so we talked about that female genital mutilation .
Speaker 2If I now turn around to you and say , hey , circumcision . So I'm actually very excited to talk about this . I have this conversation all the time .
Speaker 1I even got a game . Should I just walk out of the ? Room , while you go on a rant for another 40 minutes .
Speaker 2I've got a game . I'll tell you about the game later , but I think circumcision is so interesting to me . Why ? Because it is so varied . Okay , let me ask you a question what do you think , where do you think would be the highest rate of ? I mean , I don't know why I'm asking this because you probably Googled it or researched it some way . Okay , no , you tell me Where's the highest rate of circumcision in the world ?
Speaker 1What country ? I was going to say the USA , but that's actually starting to drop down now . That's actually wrong , is it ? That is very wrong . Where is it ? It's got to be Israel , morocco , morocco , morocco .
Speaker 2Okay , that makes sense , but do you want to get ? Now ? The point is the percentage for me . Okay , what's the percentage ?
Speaker 1Take a stab in the dark . Okay , so I know the US was like 80% Mm-hmm .
Speaker 2The US is 80% correct .
Speaker 1Going to go 95 ? 99.9% Fuck off For reals 99.9% of guys have had their junk cut 99% of guys have had their junk cut .
Speaker 2But even more interesting , I think it was Australia that I was looking at . I think Australia they looked from 19, . Was it 1980 ? From 1980 , I think it was something really high , yeah like 80 , 80 now no , it was done in 1980 and then 2020 , yeah , and to 2020 , 20 yeah . That is a huge jump .
Speaker 1So in 2016, . So they did another study in 2016 , and it was 26.6% in 2016 . That's crazy . So basically , 6.6% of the population that had their dicks cut have now died . That's crazy , but yeah , it's going so far down . They reckon it's going to be a null and void thing .
Speaker 2But the thing is okay . Before we even carry on , I want to ask a question . What is your , what is your thought on someone being circumcised ? Me personally , your own personal , my own personal thing .
Speaker 1My own personal thing is that it's just as fucked up as female genital mutilation . Okay , why ? Because you are cutting away the foreskin and people think that the foreskin is just a bit of skin . Right , it's not , it's got arguably just be something . No , well , that's it right . It's got arguably the most amount of nerves of the skin anywhere and it's really , really susceptible to that really light touch and delicate sort of touch .
Speaker 2Thank you , just tell me everything I'm missing .
Speaker 1Right ? So basically , all of that nerves and sensations you're going to get from there , right ? The other thing that they need to do is they need to cut away a layer of muscle . Okay , Within that foreskin there's a tiny , thin layer of muscle . They also need to cut away a nerve , right ? So you're losing all the shit so there's a whole heap of nerves .
Speaker 1Then , once it's actually gone , the whole reason why we have a foreskin is to protect the glands of the penis right . Once it's actually then gone , those nerves on the glands of the penis and the rest of the penis , the shaft of the penis , are exposed , which means that they , over time , will become desensitized . Yes , right , of course . So there you go . That's another reason why it fucking sucks . But on top of that , like and people go oh , you know , it's for cleanliness .
Speaker 2There is no scientific data to prove that having your cock cut that is the biggest bunch of bullshit . It's absolutely bullshit . Because if you didn't wash your uncut dick , you would still get some fucking cheese on it too . Right , because it doesn't matter whether you have . Yeah , fair enough . Okay , if somebody is dirty and they just don't clean under the um , under the hood , sure it's gonna be stinky and whatever , but that's , that comes down to hygiene . It comes down to hygiene . Right , it's the person , the person either . Okay , if they don't know . That's not the fact that , okay , all dudes that have um skin are dirty . No , he's just a dirty fucker that doesn't clean his shit .
Speaker 1That's right like and the other thing is you talk about and then you talk about STIs , yeah Right . The other argument is it reduces your STIs , yep .
Speaker 2That's why they do it so much in Africa .
Speaker 1Motherfucker , wear a condom , exactly . You don't cut somebody's cock off .
Speaker 2But fair enough . You know , my thing is always this If you want to do it , go for gold .
Speaker 1Yes , absolutely do it If it's consensual .
Speaker 2If it's something that you want to do because you decide , you know what , I don't want to get an SEO and I don't want to wear a condom , and that's what you want to do , go for gold . It's a medical procedure . Do what you want to do . If it is a medical reason where it's too tight and it can't go back , comment with the word what it's called . Do you remember ? I do know it . But like when the foreskin is too tight and it can't go back over the gland Cool , do it .
Speaker 2But doing it to little kids , it's consent . Anybody that does not know what they're doing , that shit pisses me off .
Speaker 1Like it's consent .
Speaker 2I just do not . Okay , my thing is obviously I'm cut right , but I feel like and I've always felt like I'm like fuck , there's something missing . Why ? Because then , when you see someone that is uncut no did I say , I'm uncut I meant .
Speaker 2I'm cut , I'm cut , not uncut , I uncut . No , did I say I'm uncut ? I meant I'm cut , I'm cut , I'm uncut , circumcised , I'm circumcised . So when I see a dude that is uncircumcised , I'm like why ? But my mind don't look like that . Which then comes to what you were talking about before , about the way we look Body image . Body image , because then I look at mine going . I don't like the way mine looks , because I like uncut dicks .
Debunking Circumcision Myths and Religious Beliefs
Speaker 1See , and now there's actually a whole movement of people that have been cut , or people that , like , know somebody who's been cut right without their consent , because it always happens when you're like fucking six weeks old , right , but they're called get this right . So the activists ? They've called themselves the intactivists Isn't that the best fucking play on words ever ? But these people , they're coming together to raise awareness around this issue because there is no good medical reason to do it , to be cut right . There is , um , the royal college of physicians here in australia put out a whole fucking manual and basically said there is no benefit that outweighs the risks of getting a kid cut .
Speaker 1Yeah , because even like as late as you know , the 2010s and the 2020s , there have been kids who have been circumcised and lost their entire dick because it's got infected . That's fucked up . Can you imagine making that decision as a parent and going I'm going to get my kid cut for religious reasons and they end up losing their fucking cock ? I want to talk about religious reasons for a second Go , because I've got a fucking chewing on this one . Okay , calm down .
Speaker 2No , the only thing that I have is this right , I find really interesting is that when I was looking at people around the world who have things Italy , high or low , what do you think for cut people ? I reckon quite high , you would be absolutely wrong . Really , really low , okay , which I found so crazy . So I'm like italy , yeah , bunch of catholics , yeah , this is the part I don't understand . You will have people , okay . So in south africa , I think it's the thing , I think it was like 40 something percent . But but my thing is , why is there such a huge difference , even within the Christian religion ? Because you can get a place like Italy , which is full of Catholics , that go no , we don't want to do that , for whatever reason . And then you can go to America , which are full of Christians , and they're doing it for the religious reasons . Okay , Intersection .
Speaker 1That's what's happening Basically , northern Europe as a whole has got super low circumcision rate . Yes , right , because the whole of Europe one of the better word is Catholic or Christian Right . Then you start having a look at Africa . There's a lot more intersection between Islam and Christianity , right , and those social and cultural norms have transpired throughout the community . So there's a lot more of that going on , right . Circumcisions in asia pretty low , unless you go to indonesia , which is a muslim country , fucking real high , right . But the us , because it's not just christians , yes , it's an intersection of judaism as well , judaism , islam . So when those societies are mixed , you see a higher rate of circumcisions , right .
Speaker 1But the other thing is , I think and I've got no data to be able to prove this but in the US the media is run by Jews , right . And if the media is run by Jews , what are they going to normalize as the perfect dick ? They're going to normalize a cut dick , right . And if American people are gobbling this up without any thought of you know , you know , analyzing that sort of media and interrogating that , they're just going to sit there and go oh , that's what a normal dick looks like . I'm going to go and get it done because that's what I'm getting told , because the media is stronger there than anywhere else . I now need to go and research that to back myself up .
Speaker 1But that's what I'm hypothesising , right ? Yeah , I just .
Speaker 2I find it really . What I find interesting is how some people have a hard stance on uncut or cut , like . I've spoken to girls that will go , oh , I've never , I've only dealt with because they , in australia , for example , only ever seen uncut dicks or no cut dicks , for example and then they see one that's uncut and they're like , oh you , you're like , bro , it's a dick . If you're a real connoisseur , I like white wine and I like red wine , mix them together , and so why can't I have both ? But there are people that are like hard on , like no , they're hard on the day , they don't want . They don't want uncut dicks because of the stereotype that , oh , you know , uncut dicks are , uh , maybe they're a little , they're dirtier , or I don't know what to do with it , or it's a little bit more difficult to use , or use the wrong word difficult to play with , I don't know . Whatever it is , but yeah , I find it really interesting yeah , it's I .
Speaker 1I don't know , and the thing is as well if that person had of like sat there and rejected somebody because they've got an uncut dick , how that fucks with that . They would fuck with somebody but what happens if they turn around and said well , fuck you , I'm not gonna shag you because you've got small tits exactly like how are they gonna feel , but this always ?
Speaker 2happens . I'm sorry out there , but this always fucking happens . A girl can go , I'm sorry , I'm not interested in that dude , don't talk to me unless you're over six foot . If a dude said , don't talk to me unless you're under 80 kilos , they would be dragged , they would be canceled . He's a misogynist , he's this , he's that , he's fat phobic , he's all these things . But woman can go . I don't like this about guys and I should be okay to not . You absolutely can be , there's nothing wrong with that . But then flip it around and realize that when the same thing happens to you , you need to be okay with it . So if I can write it , yeah , if it do , tells you I'm sorry , I can't fuck you , you're too too small . Yeah , how , yeah , how's that going to fuck with your confidence ?
Speaker 1Too fucking round it is . You're going to sit there and go ? Oh , I want to get a t-shirt .
Speaker 2In the same way don't say it to dudes , no , because he can't help it and also he's actually the normal one , yeah .
Speaker 1The dude that's got a little hoodie . He's normal , because that's how a dick comes . That's yeah , straight from the factory . There's no modifications . So that is my argument against the whole religious thing . Right , people sit there and go oh , I get it done for religious reasons . Yep , motherfucker , if you were so into god , why the fuck would you tamper around with his design ?
Speaker 2which . But see , this is the thing is with religious , not religion , religious people . I have the issue with religious people . Are they misconstrued , misinterpreted and also use something for their benefit ? Yeah , they use that book as a now because it says this if we went by everything that thing said , we would not be christians , catholics , whatever . None of us would be , because nobody can follow any of those rules no , and they don't apply now and they don't apply .
Speaker 2But again you'll have someone that goes oh , it says you're , my favorite is being gay . This again's god . It's an abomination , okay , cool . What is the ? Can you read to me in that exact same book that you're reading from ? I can't remember , damn it . I wish I could just to like flex my religion muscles .
Speaker 2Here there's also one that talks about actually it's straight after the gay one where it says eating an animal from the ocean without fins and gills is an abomination , uses the exact same word that if you eating fucking prawns , crabs , eels okay , not eels , crabs that's an abomination .
Speaker 1So you and I me being gay- you just as bad as me with my seafood platter .
Speaker 2You eating your fucking seafood platter . Bitch thinking you're bougie , as fuck your seafood boil . Guess what ? Same same we both same .
Speaker 1We both . It's an abomination , motherfucker . I'm just imagining , you know , that , like last supper painting , there's me and you like at the end of the actual painting . You're getting bent over the table and railed while I'm eating my crab and everybody's just looking at us going what the fuck are these abominations ?
Speaker 2but yeah , that thing is . And in that okay not to be like all religious here , but in that same book there's things like if you wear two kinds of material , cotton and polyester , for example , it's bad , it's a sin .
Speaker 1Is there anything in there about double denim ?
Speaker 2Double denim is always , in my opinion , okay . Working on a Sunday that is a sin . There's a whole fucking list that I just love . How religious people will pull that one thing and say you're gay , it's wrong because it says in the book but you're not following . Fuck all else you literally have . I don't know . You went out and committed adultery , did all the shit that you say is bad , but my shit's bad .
Speaker 1Yeah , no , it's fucked up right . How did we ?
Speaker 2get here ? How did we get here ? Fucking religion ? Oh my gosh .
Speaker 1All the way there , Like even in Islam , they say that . Well , a lot of people sit there and go oh , you know , it's part of our religion . As far as I understand it , it is not written in the Quran . Yep , Well , I can't tell you , but I don't know . But okay , it is nowhere there . Right , I haven't read the Quran , but from my studies and from what I understand , it's not written down there . But the other thing is that Islamic people follow the way that Muhammad lived his life . Muhammad had his dick cut , so they followed that , which is more of a cultural thing rather than a religious thing .
Speaker 2I think that's where people get all of this muddled up and confused is religion versus culture , like I cannot knock someone else's culture because I don't understand it , and if you've been doing that for the past millennia , I can't tell you that you shouldn't do that . But there needs to be some education and understanding that . Okay , if you're a tribe in africa that does that and at the very least they're doing it to like boys that are becoming men , that are 16 years old , that have gone , you know what . I accept that this is what I need to do as a man . I'm going to do it . I'm .
Speaker 2I'm not gonna say I'm okay with it , but I can be okay because that's your culture that I don't understand and you are grown enough to say I'm accepting that this is something that I need to do in order to be a man . Yeah , so do you . It's , it's cool , so long as there's consent . As long as there's consent , regardless of if you may be okay , I'm pressured into doing it because it's part of my religion , something I have to do . Yeah , and I'm scared because it's going to be sore , but if that's your choice , it's still your choice . That's it . But let's stop doing this to little kids .
Speaker 1Yeah , fucking , because that's fucked
Rethinking Gender Norms and Surgeries
Speaker 1up . Talking about little kids ? Right , because we talked about female genital mutilation , which is like extreme end , which is completely legally and socially banned , right ? Yep , then we talked about circumcision , which is this thing that for most of society and in terms of law it is completely natural and acceptable . Right , for the most part . What about intersex normalization surgeries ? Basically , kid comes out as intersex .
Speaker 2See , I have , I . I got some thoughts . I'm so glad you brought this up . Think away , oh , those fucking periods . I can't , I can't . So we're talking about intersex people . Yeah , right , for those people that don't understand , intersex people are born with both male and female , sometimes reproductive organs yeah , gonads for and and , as well as a vagina valve whatever right cool sometimes it's internal , sometimes external , exactly whatever so the idea that the doctor comes says you got a healthy kid .
Speaker 2Oh wait , hold on . We've actually found this here . We've realized that your kid has got okay . Okay , she's got a vagina , but she's got gonads as well . And they might say , hey , chances are they're probably going to lean towards more to female Because it's easier to do surgery . Because it's easier to do surgery , look , she's already got a vagina , so let's just take the gonads out .
Speaker 1Yep . Okay cool , I have so many issues with that , you can't take the fucking hormones out . Exactly this I've , I've .
Speaker 2I started following someone on youtube and I was just blown away by this whole intersex thing and I was like so intrigued by it and every time I see a video or movie or something where people talk about that gets me so riled up . Because if I had a kid and the doctor came and said to me when it was , I'll be like you are not touching , is it life-threatening ? Is that gonad ? Does that gonna have a tumor ? Yeah , does it have cancer ? No , leave the fuck alone .
Speaker 1And this , thankfully , is where the law in Australia has got to . Oh really , yep . So basically can't remember quite the date . I'm going to say around 2015 , 2016 . I might be completely wrong on that , though right , I'm very sketchy on dates at the moment , but nonetheless , the law now says unless there is like a life-threatening that's awesome Element , then leave , leave it . You can't fucking do that which is so good because so awesome . There are parents out there sitting there going oh , that's not fucking normal . Make my kid a girl , raise him as a girl and then all of a sudden , but that's everything inside of them is a guy .
Speaker 2But that's my issue . That I have is you might make the decision as the parent , thinking the need the right thing for your kid , but also I think the doctors have to . They're the ones that really need to be held accountable , because they're the ones that are pushing the agenda onto these parents .
Speaker 1It's not the parents , it's not fucking money .
Speaker 2Because money their own views and personal ideas of what they should be and going you need to do this .
Speaker 2Yeah , this kid grows up a girl , a tomboy , gets a certain age maybe , has got issues with their sexuality and they have no idea what the fuck is wrong wrong with them because they think something's wrong and then they find out when they're in their twenties , thirties that are actually . I was actually born with balls . My parents cut them out and I felt like I was a dude this whole time and thought there was something wrong with me and I've done something wrong , and it completely fucks them up forever and it completely fucks them up for the rest of their lives because somebody made a decision for them . So my thing is leave them Fuck . Let them grow up to be . If it was me and I find out at , let's just say , six months old , I'll be like okay , you're not , or even at birth , I'm choosing a name that is going to be gender fluid whichever , like elon musk called his kid like what is it like , x522 ?
Speaker 2I don't fucking know what it is , but some stupid shit . But for example , I would , I would name my kid a name that I'd be . Like you know what , I'm going to make sure I do everything to make sure that I let this kid know that I'm not going to force them to okay you know what boys play with cars and gi joes .
Speaker 1Does anyone know what a gi joe is ?
Speaker 2anymore . I think I've seen a porn with gi joe in once . Yeah , I have too . But yeah , I would do everything I could to make sure that my language that I used yeah is .
Speaker 2You know , I'm not gonna be like oh , you know , when you grow up and you have a boyfriend or girlfriend I'll be like , oh , when you grow up and you have a partner to normalize , to normalize everything to the , so that I'm not swaying their decision making to go a certain kind of way . But at a certain point they'll be like you know what ? I'm 18 now ? Oh , you know what , dad , I'm 16 , I can't get surgery . I really , really want to . I know that , I know that . You know I've presented as a girl . I think I'm , I feel like I'm got inside , yeah , cool .
Speaker 1I love that approach and that's the exact same way that I would . It's not the exact same way that a lot of fucking people would and a lot of people would have major troubles with that . But that's why there's been so many like new setups now , like counselling services and all that sort of stuff specifically for intersex people and intersex families to help counsel that . But imagine this right . Imagine you take your natural-born male yeah down to a clinic , have circumcision . Circumcision goes wrong , Kid needs his penis cut off , Can't put a new penis on , and then you sit there and go . You know what ? It doesn't have a dick . It can't be a man , so it's got to be a girl . Let's turn it into a girl . That's fucked up , Can you ? That is a situation that has come up no ways .
Speaker 1I can't believe anybody would do that . That is a conversation that has happened after the amputation of a little boy's dick .
Speaker 2That is so fucked up . Okay so , but how about every fucking thing else ?
Speaker 1Hormones , bruh , but it doesn't matter , because the dick is the fucking centre point of a man .
Speaker 2And it always comes back to the fucking dick . It's always the dick I mean . I like , I feel like it is the centre point of a man , because it's really good to grab and like come here , it's like the right height to be , like just grabbing his head let's , let's , let's walk , let's go , but that's just bullshit .
Speaker 1It's bullshit , that is absolute bullshit . Thankfully , though , I think we're starting to get away from that in australia . Yeah , we're starting to get away from this hyper rate of circumcisions and female genital mutilations .
Speaker 2We need to get away from this whole idea that the dick is the be-all , end-all of a man .
Speaker 1Fuck . No Biggest sex organ on the body Brain Fucking .
Speaker 2Use it Exactly I just feel like there's so many other things that I find manly and masculinity is not always the top of the list . Like for me , a guy . There can be something that a guy that does that's just really , I don't know even might be a little bit feminine , a little bit caring , or you know what thinks about you . In a certain kind of way . Like to me , I'm like there's a real man right there . It doesn't always have to be the big dude with the big muscles and 10-inch cock . Sometimes I don't give a shit about that Absolutely , and it doesn't really matter . For me , a man is a guy that takes responsibility of his own actions , a dude that owns his shit , that commands the space . That doesn't necessarily mean masculinity , but to me that's like that's real man , like a , a dad . A dad that goes you know what ? I'm gonna take my kid and we're gonna go do this and we're gonna I'm gonna whatever take him to the beach . Yeah , to me that's a man , because what you're doing is you are taking responsibility as a dad .
Speaker 1That's manly because you are starting to do things that are empathetic and caring of other people .
Speaker 2For me that's manly , like that . To me that not manly . That makes a man and you know what ?
Speaker 1I think that is perfect thing for another episode .
Speaker 2Oh , fuck yeah oh , what is a man ? What ?
Speaker 1is a man ?
Speaker 2oh my god , write that shit down . What is a man ? What is a man ? How do I spell it ? And all that's gonna be . I feel like that'll probably at some point there'll be something that would he say's going to get us cancelled or someone's not going to like . But that is what is a man . Let's tackle that next time . Fuck yeah .
Speaker 1All right , I think we've done dicks , we've done pussies , we've done cutting , we've done cutting , we've done dicks , we've done , pussies . Be happy with your junk people . You're done pussies . Be happy with your junk people .
Speaker 2Just it's pretty it's okay however it looks , it's pretty it's always pretty because just except Jordan Churls just remember one thing there's always going to be somebody out there that doesn't like you , for whatever reason , and there's always going to be someone out there that does like you hey , man , I managed to get a wife , and if I can get a wife , and if you get a wife , with those fucking feet . Exactly , I'm impressed . Exactly , all right , then , that's it Over and out , bye-bye .
Empowering Conversations on Body Image
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