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Episode 55: Mischief & Mayhem on Mixing Kink, Swinging & Size Play

• Jordan Walker, Kate Campbell & Tarsh Wilson

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Ever wondered what happens when you tear down the arbitrary walls between kink and swinging communities? In this candid conversation with event creators Mischief and Mayhem, we explore the unexpected success of Perth's groundbreaking crossover event that allowed both worlds to collide in spectacular fashion.

The duo reveals the behind-the-scenes reality of organizing such an event – from the constant mental pressure ("Are people having fun right now?") to the unexpected validation participants experienced. Most touchingly, they share stories of attendees who approached them after their stretching demonstration, whispering confessions like "we do this at home but didn't know anyone else did." This beautiful moment of recognition perfectly captures why creating authentic spaces for exploration matters so profoundly.

What makes this conversation particularly illuminating is the contrast between performative and authentic kink. As Mayhem explains, "Seeing it in person, so raw, is such a lovely thing – it's like, oh my gosh, they're like me." Unlike the perfectly staged performances in professional content, these real-life demonstrations allow people to witness genuine connection and communication between partners. The nuances matter: different positions work for different bodies, various techniques yield different sensations, and the most important element is always authentic communication between partners.

The conversation weaves through practical considerations (the financial investment in quality toys), psychological insights (how extreme play can reconnect cerebral people with their physical bodies), and plans for their upcoming "Court of Sin and Seduction" themed event. Most powerful is their journey from being nervous to mention their interest in stretching at their first munch to now running successful events centered around it – a testament to how "if you put stuff out there, people find you."

Ready to explore your own boundaries? Listen now to discover how creating judgment-free spaces allows everyone to find their authentic expression and community.

Speaker 2:

all right, guys, this is an impromptu episode. We have mischief and mayhem. They've dropped around to have a couple of drinks and we're going out for for drinks later on. But seeing as though you guys have just had the mayhem event, we thought that we'd put the mics on and talk a little bit about it. How are you guys?

Speaker 3:

We're good, we're good, we're doing good, recovering now. Yeah, been a lot, but we're recovering, getting some sleep in finally.

Speaker 2:

Was it a lot to organise?

Speaker 3:

It was closer to the time, I think we kind of when we're selling tickets and putting all the ads and stuff out there. It was more of a mental thing and then the run up to it was just kind of exhausting, trying to get everything ready and then just constantly be thinking about it. I think as well.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I think that's the most tiring thing was just thinking about it. You actually didn't have too many things to do, but when you think, oh, I've got this, this and this and you're like, oh, I hope this doesn't go wrong.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, when we shut the doors at 2 30 am and everyone had left, and we're like, oh my gosh, that was a really great night, we did it. And we just like took this breath and we're like, okay, cool now.

Speaker 2:

Now time for a maccies and a debrief of course you've got to go straight to the maccies, don't you?

Speaker 4:

straight away I think that was the best maccies I've had at 4am yeah.

Speaker 2:

It always is. Well, I've got this theory that after everything that you do, that's super hard. Whatever comes straight after it is absolutely insanely good. So Maccies for you guys was where it was at.

Speaker 3:

It was great.

Speaker 2:

I think a lot of people like really they don't value just how much goes into an event like that how much? Organization and thinking like you guys were saying, like every little detail needs to be figured out, right like what goes where. What time is this going to happen? How loud is the fucking music?

Speaker 3:

yeah downstairs and like all these things that you've got to be thinking about and in charge of and people are just not really recognizing and getting that yeah, it's like even things like people were just standing and chatting having a great time and us two are stood at the back thinking are people having fun? Are they? Are they having fun right now?

Speaker 4:

yeah, is there something we? Could do to make people have fun how do you get people to start going and doing stuff as well? Yeah, yeah. Because if someone's not doing stuff, everyone's going to notice no one's doing stuff. And then everyone else is there just smiling, having a great time, whereas we're just having like a minor panic attack in our own brains. Yeah, everyone go and play.

Speaker 3:

How do we gauge the fun here?

Speaker 2:

I've just had like a and I'm showing my age here. I'm getting flashbacks to jaws, the original jaws film have you guys seen it? Yes, where the mayor's just running around around the beach. Hey, go in the water, go in the water, and everyone's like I don't know about this, and then all of a sudden, fucking, everybody's in the water, yeah, yeah. So how did the night go like? How did it start off? What? What progressed like? How did it go.

Speaker 4:

I think the night went pretty well overall. Um, it's quite chilled, I'd say vibe was it kind of had a house party vibe to it throughout the night yeah, we kept numbers quite low, so we had 70 people roughly about 65 ish yeah, um, so we had quite low numbers for the space I'd

Speaker 3:

say, but it kind of worked quite well. So the space didn't feel empty and it didn't feel absolutely rammed. There's still space to do kind of kink if you were kind of doing that, or the playrooms felt like you had enough space to go and play and you went fighting for room, kind of thing. Yeah, so that was really nice. Everyone kind of came on time as well, which we had anticipated, but also it was a big wave of people just arriving, which, yeah, yeah, most people were there by half nine I reckon, um, and then the space felt very full at that point.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, although it wasn't like rammed, you do feel like, oh, this is a lot of people here, um, but yeah, it kind of started out. Everyone was kind of mooching around, I think, sussing out the space, having a few nibbles and drinks, which is kind of a good vibe. And then we had one of our friends do a scene for us. They did like a bit of a rope floor tie in the rope area we'd set up, which is nice. I think a few people were watching it intently, and then there were a lot of people just kind of half watching and half socializing which gave a good sort of vibe.

Speaker 3:

It made them feel like things were happening without anything being too in your face and disruptive.

Speaker 4:

Um, so that was kind of a nice start to the night and I think that kind of triggered some people to start going and playing.

Speaker 4:

So I remember being stood by the bags and I could hear people on the other side definitely being spanked and definitely a few play scenes going on, which is good to hear and then we obviously did our scene, which was stretching scene, and I think a lot of people were intrigued what we were going to do, because I don't think some people there knew what it was yeah, I think, when we put a crowd, yeah, we put stretching on the poster and I think, unless you, they didn't think it was like some form of fucking yoga, did they?

Speaker 3:

well, I had some people saying I thought you're gonna have like a machine and attach your arms to it and then physically stretch your body and I was like no, no, it's not that kind of thing. Um and yeah. So I think a few people were intrigued to see what actually was going to happen. Um, and I mean it went well. I got a bit in my head about it and how good it was. But I just have to kind of remember that what I'm doing like a small thing to me is probably huge for some people yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 4:

I think the scene went pretty well, like, although we didn't practice it, I think we did everything I planned on doing in the scene. I know you were wondering if we should do more like take bigger toys, but I thought we'll stick to what we did. You don't want to push yourself too much. It's more than some people have ever seen in their life. And the other people appreciated it as a good stretching scene. Who have already seen stretching.

Speaker 2:

Because, from our last conversation around this event, this event was the very first event that had that sort of demonstration here in Perth. And people in Perth are a little bit I'm going to say a little bit prudish. Some people are going to fucking have my head for that. I know they are. But you know what? I've thrown it out there. Challenge me on it Whatever. But like some people in Perth are a little bit prudish, so to see even somebody getting fisted for them is like oh my fucking God, let alone if you go something a little bit bigger, you know.

Speaker 2:

So like oh my fucking God, let alone if you go something a little bit bigger, you know. So I think that's really great. But you were saying there's quite a few people that were like really interested in it or were talking like oh hey, we actually do this.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, there's a few people that I think came and approached me afterwards and were really interested in it and kind of asking you know, where does it all go and how does it feel, and all of that kind of all the questions that get asked about stretching. And then there was a few people that said things similar to like oh we've, um, we actually do something like this at home. We didn't know anyone else did it, we didn't know this was a thing, wow, um.

Speaker 3:

And yeah, I think it just opened up minds and conversations and yeah made people see it as a kink as well, because I think a lot of people just think it's something that they do as part of sex. No, no, it's. It's a kink. You can, you know, train yourself for it. Take it further yeah you know you don't have to, but at the same time, even taking a fist is quite a substantial when you think about it, it is a kink in its own right, you know.

Speaker 2:

I mean kinks are an outlet for something else that we have within ourselves so I mean, we were talking to naya um a few months back and she was talking about, like how people who are into heavy impact quite often are just trying to reconnect with their body, and arguably you could say the exact same for extreme size play. Yeah, you know, some people are just so cerebral and in their head all of the time, and then to have some giant fucking dildo or hand inside of you, like that's a really good way of getting back into your body so, yeah, just feeling everything and just being less in your mind and more just with your body and taking it all in and literally, and you know, and just being very present, um, yeah, it's.

Speaker 3:

I love it and I think a lot of people kind of were very intrigued by it as well and just seeing it and not making it this huge thing or speech, and just doing it very casually, yeah um and being like hey, you can watch this, you know? Um, and we had quite a big crowd yeah, at one point.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I think there's definitely a lot of people intrigued to see, just see, and then I think, uh, combining it with impact as well at the same time I think was kind of a interesting combination. I don't think people have seen, because I think people do stretching, although some of them are probably into impact, I think there's less of a crossover. So to see combined, it's also another unique thing, I'd say yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2:

Um, do you think there was like a lot of aha moments as well, like the impact crew came over and went, oh, oh wait, this is another, another thing. We could another thing that we can do, yeah?

Speaker 4:

yeah, I think so. I think there were a lot of people probably seeing the um, like the relationship between doing an impact scene and doing stretching in terms of, like some people came up to me and talked about how we were communicating with each other during the scene, very similar to what you're doing. An impact scene like was that too hard, too soft? Like whereas now you're talking about, is that too much, do you want more? Yeah, it's the same sort of conversation just about different things, I guess and it kind of validates it, I think yeah, it really does and it's.

Speaker 2:

I suppose it really just situates it as its own kink but linked to everything else right like everybody's into their own. I'm gonna say everybody's got some form of kink or fetish, yeah, and it's all with a desire to get something out there, and you know, that's just a different way of doing it.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it was, it was nice it was really lovely it felt nice for people to come and ask questions as well, and I think people weren't as kind of. I think a lot of people think of it as this really sex thing and it's just sex and that's all it is, and they're going to be watching a sex scene it's not at all. Yeah, like there's a lot of skill behind it, just as much as there is impact, and there's a lot of like thought and training and communication and everything that goes into it yeah and I think people saw that and were like oh wait, it's not, and it wasn't even we didn't make it overly sexual either.

Speaker 3:

Obviously it is sexual, but it's not. You know, it doesn't have to turn into sex afterwards yeah and it didn't have to be this kind of creepy, vulgar yeah, vulgar scene. It was just a really beautiful scene between two people. It just happens that my clothes are off and you can see my vagina.

Speaker 2:

yeah, and and that's what I love, like that intimacy that you're talking about. There is a certain intimacy that you have when you're exploring size play with the partner that you don't get anywhere else. Okay, I'll say you don't get anywhere else. You get it through kink practices, you get it through everything else, like anything, sort of in that extreme mode where you're pushing yourself further, because there is like that how can I say it?

Speaker 2:

you, you need to communicate in order to be able to push those boundaries, you know and if you, if you're not doing that and if you're not on that really deep, intimate level, then you're never going to be able to push those boundaries.

Speaker 3:

So and I think there's so much trust in it as well. You know, like you can't, really the way I mean, the way that we often stretch with each other, is not looking at each other, because I'll be facing away. Yeah, so it's a lot of okay. How am I feeling? How am I going to communicate this? And the smallest, tiniest movement can make such a like an impact, and a difference to how I'm feeling and communicating that yeah, again, the nuances.

Speaker 4:

It's like with an impact. It's the same with most kinks. You can do it with someone you don't necessarily know as long as you pre-negotiate it all beforehand, obviously, but you're never going to have as great a scene with someone you don't know as you would with someone you maybe have a connection with or prior knowledge with. I reckon we could both do a stretching scene with a stranger almost um, it'd still probably be a good scene, but it wouldn't be one of those like wow, this was amazing sort of scenes.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, it would be good, just not to that elevated level of like the connection.

Speaker 2:

Do you think that's got something to do with the fact that when you do have that intimate connection, your partner knows your body so well that you sort of they can cue into those? How can I say it? Like body language communication rather than that verbal communication.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, 100%, because quite often when you're with a new partner you're like do this, do that? Slow down, just hurry up. But like when you're with the partner over the long term, it's like they know your speed, they know the motions that you want and all that sort of stuff you don't have to be as reactionary as

Speaker 4:

much like if you're with someone new, you kind of have to react to what they're feeling, whereas if you're with someone you know, you can almost predict how they're going to feel. Like they might feel different that time. So you have to be ready for that. But you can usually predict oh, if I start doing this with, like my fist, you'll know that's going to get to that effect, whereas with a new person you might be oh, if I try that, they might like it, but they might not like it. So you have to be constantly ready to change up with someone you, whereas with someone you've done it regularly.

Speaker 3:

Or, if you can, yeah, yeah I think, with this being our one of our first times kind of performing, yeah, kind of in front of people as well, it made it such a different scene. Um, my head was all over the place.

Speaker 3:

I couldn't really drop in as much as I normally would to that kind of safe space, um, and I think it's just and feeling very watched and feeling very conscious of whether or not I'm pleasing everyone else, whether they're feeling like satisfied with what I'm doing yeah um, which is a really weird thing to think about, but even you know this might be TMI, but um saying, um, oh you, you feel really tight, you know, and just relax, like, relax your body, think, you know, don't think about everyone that's stood there, try and you know, just tap into how you're feeling and what we are and the scene that we're doing with each other and not necessarily everyone watching, because you know you're not. You're going to get more worked up with the fact that you can't take as much because you're thinking about everyone else, and then it's just like a cycle getting worse and worse as opposed to relaxing into it. You know, doing it for me and you and forgetting everyone else and then you know having actually a much better scene.

Speaker 2:

I love that you went there actually because, like, obviously that is something that couples, when they're exploring science, play they struggle with. You know, like obviously the head controls the body and the body controls the head and vice versa, and that pelvic floor starts tightening up. And then there are certain things that you can do to help calm that down, like breathing techniques and almost like a sort of meditation throughout it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but when you were sort of exploring that, I was sitting there thinking that if you had of just let it go completely and you had of went to where you can go, I think that probably people would have been a little bit freaked out with I think that probably people would have been a little bit freaked out with holy fuck, because people aren't used to seeing that sort of stuff and people aren't used to seeing people being able to drop into that space really, really quickly.

Speaker 2:

So maybe, you know, and quite paradoxically, it's actually probably better for everybody and the scene around stretching in perth that maybe you were feeling a little bit restrained at that point, because next time you can go that little bit further as you get a little bit more comfortable, and they get a little bit more comfortable watching something like that yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3:

I think it is something new for people to see and I think I need to kind of step back, like step back from it, and think, oh wait, actually that's quite a big jump for some people yeah, you know who have never even. You know, some people don't take more than a few fingers and then suddenly I'm there being punched, yeah, by you, by the whole fist, and and thinking, oh my, this isn't good enough.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I think being performative in kinks is an interesting balance, isn't it really?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I think some people can play to the crowd a little bit much.

Speaker 4:

I think, yeah, I think you have to find there's a knife edge of like obviously you have to deal with the crowd being there, because I feel like if you just completely ignore the fact that the crowd are there, you'll lose them. You'll lose the crowd being there, because I feel like if you just completely ignore the fact that the crowd are there.

Speaker 4:

They'll, like you'll lose them yeah, like you'll lose the crowd, but then you also can't lose your connection with whoever you're doing your scene with. Um, so you have to get that balance of not working to the crowd too much that you lose the person you're playing with and then not playing with the person you're playing with too much that you lose the crowd and they, like, get bored and disconnect from the scene, depending what you're doing. I think I've found I've always found connection.

Speaker 4:

And I think that's a whole other skill. I think people can be skilled in doing their kink and then it's a different skill of being able to do that kink in front of us. I guess it's similar to like if you're very good at playing a certain instrument, that's one thing, but it's a whole different thing getting up on stage and doing it in front of people.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, totally yeah totally.

Speaker 3:

I think in kink, seeing people's connections as well is some of the best part, you know, when you can see that someone has a great connection, they have that communication, and it just kind of draws you in and you go, oh my God, that's so beautiful. Yeah, as opposed to seeing someone very much, just do the thing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

You know, we've watched some gorgeous rope scenes and you can very much tell with a rope scene the ones that are really great to watch and the ones where they're very either performing to a crowd and forgetting about their person that's there or their model, or, on the other end of it, being very kind of just trying to do a really great rope suspension, and then you end up with this almost robotic feeling scene. So we have we had at ours actually actually the two really good friends of ours now, um, but they always manage to pull in a crowd. You don't even have to ask them to do anything, they just do their scene and people watch and it's really beautiful and they do a rope scene, um, and yeah, so they're, they're really great. They do a few things around perth, actually tim, tim and Mila, and yeah, their scenes are gorgeous because you can just see that connection and I think that's great.

Speaker 2:

And I think that's really what people are craving as well, I think the rise of OnlyFans, strangely enough, is not because you can see more.

Speaker 2:

You can see more explicit stuff, because you can't. But you've got a connection to the person who's an OnlyFans, but even then that's like an edited and curated style of things, right, but then what you guys are doing is so raw, open and honest that it's right there. You see all the connection. You see all the connection. You see all the intimacy. You see that communication and I think that's what people are really trying to get at.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you know they're trying to get that and understand it, and understand how it applies to them within their own bedrooms or their own kinks or whatever. So I think it's real fucking cool that people like you guys are out there doing this stuff because it's teaching people how to have better relations between themselves and, like some people might sit there and go oh, you know, it's girls taking a giant dildo on a fucking table or taking a giant fist on the table and you know getting watched by a hundred people like great, and some people might sit there and go oh fuck, that's.

Speaker 2:

that's like horrendous thing. And you know, the Lord will have mercy on her soul and shit like that. But when you really think about it, the vast majority of people are taking something really positive away from that. They're starting to understand how to communicate with their partners. They're understanding that shame and stigma has no place in you know relationships, so fucking Bravo, hold on.

Speaker 3:

Thank you. I think one of the things I really loved about it was kind of being very, very authentic and putting myself out there Very raw. Both of us kind of being very, very authentic and putting myself out there very raw, like both of us kind of. I've been at the moment been thinking you know I'm there and it's not a stretching and size play. It's not one of these aesthetically gorgeous kinks it's, you know it's not.

Speaker 3:

No one looks a little alien sometimes no one looks really great covered in lube with, like, their ass in the air. You know, and I just thought you know, maybe all these things that I'm thinking about, thinking like, oh, do I look good in this position or am I? You know, is this lighting making me look like really big, and stuff like that? I think no one else is seeing that, but maybe someone's looking and thinking, oh my, a normal person doing something really raw and really beautiful is, in itself, really gorgeous to watch, and I know that's something I love.

Speaker 2:

when I watch other people's scenes, especially things like stretching, that I haven't seen a lot out there I'm like, oh my gosh, a normal person doing something a bit different and something really beautiful, and like, oh, you know, it's exciting and it's quite therapeutic like I've literally sat for a whole week of psychosexual therapy training and one of the main things that we're sort of talking about and like that comes through the literature is literally that if you validate somebody and be like you know what it's okay to do, that then that basically just makes everything okay for them. And that's literally what you guys are doing by doing this sort of stuff. People are doing it in their own houses and then when they come to a space like that and see you guys do it, it's like that's a real person doing it, not because they're getting paid for it, but because they enjoy it. That's like me. I do that.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. Suddenly it's validating, suddenly that shame goes and suddenly they're starting to feel so much better about themselves, which is fucking awesome, yeah, I think it's one of those things to see it in person as well as opposed to seeing a video on a porn site of it, because you get these models that are stunning and they can take this 13 inch dildo and you're like oh my god, how are they doing that?

Speaker 2:

and they look ahead of a popping out honestly.

Speaker 3:

You see these videos and it's, you know, it's great and they're really hot, don't get me wrong. But also some of them are so. You know, the angle of the camera is different and they would never post a video that they don't feel they look good in. But seeing it in person, so raw, is such a lovely thing to see.

Speaker 2:

It's like, oh my gosh, they're like me, you know and I suppose you see like all the neurons of it as well. So when he was talking about like ass up, some people can't take size ass up.

Speaker 2:

Some people need to be lying down flat with the leg spread because they just can't deal with anything going through their legs at that point in time. Some people, you know, need to be breathing in a different way. Some people need like knuckles up or knuckles down and you know it's it's seeing all those sudden nuances that allows people to sit there and go oh fuck, this is like a real, real thing, you know that's.

Speaker 4:

That's like after we did our scene. I was like just after I was talking to a couple of people who also do size play and we started having a conversation about what position everyone prefers. Like one of them was saying yeah, I prefer to do it on my knees because they can like have control over, like backing themselves onto maybe a toy or a fish. Yeah, and then someone else like yeah, I prefer to be laid back because it's more comfortable and I feel like my body could take more in that position. And it's just interesting to have those conversations where people like yeah, I have this preference and this why yeah and I think that's what I liked about the event in general.

Speaker 4:

It's just people could just socialize, have these conversations, and I kind of felt like it wasn't anarchy, but I felt like we had very few rules on the event in a way, not like obviously within reason, but no rules on like, oh, you can't, you, if you can't have your dick or your vagina out, you have to keep them covered.

Speaker 4:

Or, um, you can't do sex, which you have in certain kink spaces, and then on the swinging side you have people like, yeah, you can't do any impact. I just feel like having a space where people feel like there's no rule.

Speaker 3:

Well, not no rules, no no boundaries yeah, no boundaries to explore, that's the word you know we had all the rules, rules, rules as such yeah, yeah um.

Speaker 2:

But in terms of sex and kink, we said you know, if you want to do something, we'll make space for it and that was the other like really interesting thing about your event is that that's, I mean, first one that I've seen advertised that crossover between kink and swinging yeah let's call it Because, as we talked about last time that you guys were on the pod, there is no crossover.

Speaker 2:

You know, and that's one of the things that we were joking about downstairs is like we're the swingers on one side of the table when you guys are doing your demonstration and the kinksters on the other like just glaring at each other.

Speaker 4:

But I think there is that space where both sides want to explore a little bit of each right at least definitely certain people from both sides like obviously you'll have your extremities, where people you'll have full-on hardcore kinksters who don't want anything to do with sex, and then you'll have swingers who don't want to go anywhere near a paddle, which is fair enough. But you'll get those people in between and they're like oh, I want both, but there's no space for both.

Speaker 3:

It's stuff even like things kinks, orgasm denial, things like that.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, there are a lot of sexual kinks.

Speaker 3:

There's a lot of sexual kinks when you actually think about it, and there's no space for them, for people to do that Even at, for people to do that even at kink nights.

Speaker 2:

You can't do them, and what? Yeah, you can't do any sexual things, fuck that's so strange.

Speaker 3:

It's really odd. Some kink nights just don't allow anything like that, so you're restricted to things like electro fire, rope impact, but all there's such a big bracket of kink that there's no space for hang on so.

Speaker 2:

So what happens like, let's say, you're one of those people that can get off by, you know, electro-stimulation to your bicep? What happens if you have an orgasm? Are you shamed out of there straight away, or what?

Speaker 3:

Well, you can have an orgasm, as long as it's not penetrative, I'd say as long as it's not penetrative, I'd say or sexual, in a way of like something being on your dick or on your vagina, but because, kind of like, I've done scenes with misery sticks and I've had misery sticks and they have made me come like by having them on my feet well, I need to stop you here, right, because misery stick. I'm just thinking some guy with a horrible dick why, is a misery stick um the ones, they're fiberglass aren't they?

Speaker 4:

no, so they're. They're basic, they're like very similar to a cane, but they're very short and they're made of carbon fiber right, and it's just like maybe I don't know about 10 inches long at most.

Speaker 3:

You get all different sizes, but they're just very fixed.

Speaker 2:

And then they're just quite flexible, so you can sort of ping it back and then it just flicks essentially, so it's like a little flicker thing, but, it has the strength behind it that it has an impact Causes misery, causes misery. Right. So it's not some fellow with an ugly dick, it's not some fellow with. If you were in a different situation.

Speaker 3:

It could definitely be a fellow with an ugly dick. I would know exactly what you're on about. But yeah they're evil little things I didn't used to like but now have found I actually have a soft spot for them and really yeah they're very on the stingy side of the impact yeah because that's another nuance, that like people are into right, like they are the one that's stingy, or that like real funny, yeah, and like.

Speaker 2:

And that's where different toy companies like make their mark by being like really sturdy or really stingy.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, and it's like even impact toys are the same thing can be like you can have stingy floggers and and footy floggers yeah and the balance between them, and what material they're made of oh, there's so many, you can go into so much but I guess that's the same way in terms of, like, taking back to stretching, in terms of big toys there you can have very soft, loose toys that will sort of mold themselves with inside you, and then other much heavier toys that are firmer and they'll just go where they're going yeah, yeah, oh, speaking of, we've got something to tell you we've purchased a new toy you're gonna love it toy toy.

Speaker 3:

We've not got a review yet. We've just, we've just bought it it's being delivered. Okay, it's coming from the uk we're very excited and it will be showcased at our next event.

Speaker 2:

freak toys I've heard of freak toys, yeah.

Speaker 3:

It's a dragon egg essentially on a chain so you can put it in and then rip it out. And in my head I was like we did spend some of the money that we'd earned from Mayhem. We're like it's going towards the next Mayhem.

Speaker 2:

It's an investment, exactly. People are going to want to see this. I want to see it Me me.

Speaker 3:

You'll be first in line. You're like, come on. Yeah, we got that. We're super excited about it. I was like, oh, it'll be aesthetically pleasing for everyone watching. You know, like a 4D experience. It's just like ripped out Lube goes everywhere. The sound will be great.

Speaker 2:

You need goes everywhere, the sound will be great. You need like a little microphone.

Speaker 3:

There I can be the boom guy just have you next to it with a little mic. It's gonna be so great. I'm so excited about it. Oh, fucking brilliant. Yeah. But I said I like we were chatting. I said I want a new toy, but I want something that will be easy to watch for people, because I feel like when you've got your, you know, trying to push toy toy inside someone it's not necessarily the most like people can't see, yeah, it doesn't look, yeah, it doesn't look as flowy when you're just trying to manhandle a tentacle.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah. You're trying to get every muscle that you've got right behind it and just fucking get in there.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

And quite weighty as well, aren't they? Yeah? Yeah that's the silicon snort.

Speaker 3:

So review coming for that 100%.

Speaker 4:

When it arrives.

Speaker 2:

It's interesting because I had a conversation with Mike, the founder and owner of Mr Hankey Stories in the US. And so, mike, amazing guy. Yeah. Listen to his episode, but we were talking about how they do different levels of silicon yeah like so different strengths of silicon, like what you were saying. You know the harder just go straight in the softer.

Speaker 2:

You sort of like manipulates a bit to your body yeah but what we were talking about, and especially off air, is that with the really, really soft ones, the fact that the person's putting so much pressure on it makes it balloon out, which makes that stretch even more. So, like, if you want to go to extreme, extreme sizes, go for that real soft, because you're not going to get the depth penetration, but you're going to get that pressure and stretch from that as it yeah as it compresses into the body.

Speaker 2:

So gorgeous yeah, that is so cool, so yeah, but yeah, mike, mike's another, another one that I think we should all talk to us yeah yeah, because he's fascinating guy that is so cool, yeah, my gosh yeah my gosh.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that is great.

Speaker 2:

I've actually got to hit him up because I want a forest of dildos in this room. Mm-hmm. Just like, especially for when we go to YouTube.

Speaker 3:

Yes, Because this room you need just a wall of them.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, this room's just like all nice and blue now, but like I just want a forest of real nice fucking dildos. You need it, so like now people are going about how you can sleep on a bed of nails, A bed of dildos. Why a bed of dildos. Oh, my gosh, It'd be quite comfy that.

Speaker 4:

I reckon.

Speaker 2:

Depending on the dildo that you get.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, depending on the, if you just have a couple of hard ones, then all the rest is soft.

Speaker 2:

It wouldn't be so fuck me back's gone out.

Speaker 3:

What's going on the bed of dildos? You've been sleeping on.

Speaker 2:

Bon jovi could write a song about it, couldn't you exactly? Oh, that's so great all right, so you guys have already booked in your next one we have all right. Do you want to talk about that a little bit, or not? Yeah, can we not talk about it? We?

Speaker 3:

have. We've released some details.

Speaker 4:

We've put a little teaser out there at the moment On FetLife at the moment. It's already got a lot of interest.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we've had so much interest, but we haven't released any tickets or anything. So that will be on the 7th Friday, the 7th of November.

Speaker 4:

Yes, and friday, the 7th of november. Yes, and it has a theme this time as well. Oh, detail. Yeah, so it's called. So you got the name. It's mayhem again, but it's a court of sin and seduction.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, so for all of my. You know how. Last time in the podcast we were talking about smutty books yeah we were kind of thinking everyone can bring them smutty books to life, so whatever it is that you read about that turns you on. Yeah, you can, you can come in in that theme. So whether that, you know, is some elf fairy winged kind of vibe um, I know I like love my little bat boys from all of my my books, um, or whether that's kind of ghost face mask or what else are you saying?

Speaker 2:

I could maybe just bring my own misery stick.

Speaker 4:

I mean, never know, don't add, melt, not with my misery stick, you wouldn't and a bit of like fanfics, like kind, kind of themed for whatever people are into, so you're allowing people to explore that, let's say, cosplay, roleplay fantasy and then get into the kink and stretch inside at the same time.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4:

Because who doesn't like to dress up. I fucking love it.

Speaker 2:

We're going to a Halloween party the weekend before and that's all about dressing up. We do it every year.

Speaker 3:

it's great honestly, I love halloween. We're kind of we were tempted like, oh, do we go the halloween theme? And then I was like, no, I just want a smut book theme. I want you to be able to wear the latex gloves, if that's what turns you on, or the scream master I know that's been a huge thing recently.

Speaker 4:

Um, and then you know yeah and then we'll just have a load of fey elves running around.

Speaker 3:

Don't get me started on the elves getting flogged and jumping on giant dildos. It'll be great it's gonna be great. I just thought I want to bring all of those kind of sexy fantasies to life. Um so, and it really leaves it open, you know, for people to be whatever they want to be, be, however dressed up they want to be, you don't have to be this. You know huge dress up lover person, but you can also if you want to go all out, you absolutely can it.

Speaker 2:

It's permission giving, isn't it? Yeah like you've got permission to indulge into your ultimate fantasy by doing that exactly I really love that idea.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, it's good because it gives like I know certain people don't like to dress up as much, but like you can still dress up a little bit and still be within theme and it gives the people to go wild yeah and then I guess the rest of the night will be very similar to the last one, just maybe a bit more wild this time, I reckon yeah, I think, if now people now that people have got like the taste and you know what to expect then, like they'll come with, they'll be coming with a plan yeah

Speaker 3:

they're eggs on chains and stuff like that honestly, it'll be, it'll be great and I think everyone brought an egg on the chain.

Speaker 2:

That'd be great even if it's a kinder surprise that could be our easter surprise you imagine We'll save that for a few months' time, for Easter.

Speaker 3:

Easter yeah.

Speaker 2:

Oh, just imagine that you could do like one chain with an egg, the next chain with like a real-life bunny. No, I'm putting things out there that probably aren't possible or not hygienic at least, nothing is ever not possible, you know. Well, if people put gerbils up there, a bunny is a real life thing yeah, it is within the realm of possibility it's definitely possible.

Speaker 3:

I don't know whether it's ethical, but it's possible listen we won't go there.

Speaker 2:

I've already called the people of earth, like broods. A lady had a fucking rabbit come out of the vagina. It was weird, can you imagine where did you see this? I've seen that in the king club. Oh so right, we're not gonna go there yeah sure no.

Speaker 3:

So, yeah, that's gonna be well, not the, not the, not the rabbits coming out of the vagina, but it's gonna be be our event and I think it's going to be great and we're going to have all of our.

Speaker 4:

You've done that on again.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, hopefully we'll have a few more of our friends helping out again. Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we had some friends help. I've got to give them a little shout out. They were amazing. Do it. Yeah were amazing. Yeah, um, they were. They were just great, weren't they? They gave us such big help. They were around all night, really accepting people as well, with all their own kinks and lots to talk about. Amazing cookies made, um, which everyone was complimenting cookies. Yeah, we had little biscuits, our friend made them and they said things like they're like the love heart.

Speaker 4:

No, the love heart, sweets you get oh, yeah, yeah but rather than saying like kiss me or hug me, they said like spank me fist me, hug me, fist me.

Speaker 3:

They were so great.

Speaker 2:

I'm so devastated that our house was in sickness this weekend.

Speaker 3:

We'll have to get our friend to make some. Yes, they were so good.

Speaker 2:

Oh, I love it. I love it. Now, the other thing I wanted to talk to you guys about and we have talked about this previously off air and I'm sort of surprising you guys by bringing this up now, but we've- got to do a workshop.

Speaker 2:

Yes, I did bring it up with a person within the King's Scene in Perth and I was like you know, do you think there's space within Perth to do a fisting workshop? Yeah, and they sort of responded to me and were like, oh, it's pretty extreme. And I was like, oh fuck, I don't know Like, should I just run ahead with it or not? Yeah, but from what we've been talking about, there is a space there for that and there are people who are wanting to know about these things.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, so I think that we should set it up and do a full-on workshop. Yeah, we were literally talking about it on the way here. Um, we're saying, you know it would be nice for there to be a space where people can ask questions and explore, and even you know we would take along some of our toys and as long as people are respectful of them, they're more than welcome to try them yeah, and try different things in a low pressure environment.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, you know, there's no one really watching.

Speaker 3:

You can ask all the questions. We're there. We thought why don't we have like a lube station as well, so you can make your own lubes?

Speaker 2:

you know different textures of lubes, so like if you found one home in a good yeah take one home with you.

Speaker 3:

You know, like if you really liked a certain like mix of lube, then you can be like, oh, like, I'll just you know, we'll supply the powder and you can make a mix of of the lube that you like. Try it out so cool, but yeah, we're like there's loads of things, little things, that people don't wouldn't try on their own.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we're like oh, they're just fun things you could provide to people, so there's a space for it, I think yeah, absolutely, and I think as well because the size play is, it's one of those spaces where you've got to commit financially to it. Like to get those big toys?

Speaker 2:

it's expensive, yeah for sure, because you can buy cheap big toys, yes, but the likelihood of you getting some form of fucking infection three weeks down the track is pretty high, because you know they're just PVC, plastic and super porous and they're going to have every bit of bacteria that's ever been on your body shoved right back inside there. So you do need to invest, and the fact that you can come to a space like, hopefully, what the three of us set up and be able to hold these toys and go oh okay, so that's the weight of it, that's the texture, that's how it feels before you invest.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly, that's almost like a money-saving thing.

Speaker 3:

Exactly, you know what you want. I don't think we would have necessarily gone in and bought some of our toys had we not tried them and and that our friends event back home yeah you know that, so you feel them and you're like, oh wait, this is something that I I could take you know and you think, oh, this is actually doable, it's not as scary. When you you see it and you can feel it and you kind of chat to people about it and say, oh, can you take this what you know?

Speaker 4:

and it's finding that balance of what's a challenge versus like. If you want to stretch more, what, what's? What's your next step? Do you know what I mean? Like? Yeah like, obviously you could say, oh, I'm going to buy the biggest toy ever, but you'll never be able to take it if you've never done it before that's right like okay, where am I at now?

Speaker 2:

what would I like to be my progression that makes sense and understanding that there are like there are ebbs and flows with it as well, like sometimes your body's capable of more, sometimes it's capable of less, and exactly, yeah but, like mike was talking from hankies, is that sometimes your eyes are bigger than your hole and you will sit there on a website and be like, yeah, I could fucking take that. And then it gets to your house and you're like, oh no, I can't.

Speaker 2:

Like please send it back and give me a brand new one, but you've spent $400 on a custom colour and all that sort of stuff. And they're like oh well, exactly, yeah.

Speaker 4:

And when you get the measuring tape out and you're like, oh, it's only that big.

Speaker 3:

And you're like I could take that.

Speaker 4:

And then it comes and you're like it's like this, and you're like oh yeah.

Speaker 2:

So, yeah, I think there's a space there for that.

Speaker 3:

There, 100% is a space, and I mean from the people we spoke to, it might not be this huge wild event, but it'll definitely be people that really actually do want to get into it and are interested in it and, you know, want to have someone to chat about and ask all the questions.

Speaker 2:

Or the have someone to chat about and ask all the questions, all the people that are already into it and have been for donkey's years but just want to find other like-minded people that are just like you know what.

Speaker 3:

This is okay to be like I am yeah. Yeah, it's not a weird thing to do. It's not and I think the more that you talk about it, the more people suddenly go oh wait, that's something like I do that too, yeah, and eventually you have an entire room full of people who actually all do it because no one's actually said anything and everyone's got like different language around it so they might not know what the other person's talking about, but they all are playing with the same sort of stuff, yeah yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 3:

It's even like, um, my dom ethan, when we first met him and he was very much closed-minded, kind of no, I do rope. And I think he said just he's like stretching, what is that like? Tell me about that. You know, he's like I'm just into rope, that that's my thing, yeah, and now has what? Four huge toys and he's really into stretching just because we've we talked and we said, you know, watch us do something.

Speaker 2:

And we went over to his and we did a scene in front of him and he was blown away and now it's something he's into so I've got a question around that do you think and you might not have had this conversation with him, but do you think that that is because he's suddenly gone? Oh, I, I just like the idea of stretching, or oh, that is just another mechanism for me to be able to do what I do.

Speaker 3:

I think it was because I know that he'd tried fisting previously. But then I think finding a way and learning how to do it properly changes how much fun you can have with it. Oh, absolutely, it properly changes how much fun you can have with it oh absolutely so suddenly he joked hit.

Speaker 4:

One of his jokes was that now he gets to live out his hen, his um real life hentai real life hentai fantasy as a bit of a joke. I think there's a bit of realism behind it, yeah, yeah yeah, I think it's. I just when you're mentioning that I was thinking about when we arrived here eight months ago. We went to our first munches and we were like do we even mention that? We're into stretching? And I'm like people might be weird about it.

Speaker 4:

And now we run a whole kink event, which it's not about stretching, but it's very open the big reason for it is stretching.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

It's like really interesting to think back to where we started from just at the start of the year to where we are now. Yeah, and we're so nervous to mention, just how you start the conversation and suddenly it isn't weird yeah.

Speaker 2:

I think if you put stuff out there, people find you. It's that magnetism. Yeah, I was having a chat with my lecturer this week and he's an amazing guy, very, very intelligent, very cerebral, and he's like oh, I've listened to a couple of your podcast episodes and then there was a pause. He's like they're good. I'm like cool, there's something deeper in that and I knew instantly that he's wanting. Wanting like the full.

Speaker 2:

You know the full analytical, like psychological sort of stuff but, what we do here is we just sort of give it for the everyday person, who's just exploring these things by themselves, right? So everybody's got their own way and mechanism into things, and if you put it out there, then some people will gravitate towards it. Other people might be completely repulsed by it, you know.

Speaker 4:

But at least you don't waste your time on the people who are you find your people precisely?

Speaker 3:

yeah, you know. Now we walk into munchers and people go oh, what are your kinks?

Speaker 4:

and the first thing we'll go is oh, stretching yeah, and that's how, and we'll say, our biggest kink is stretching people don't even ask us now, like last kink we went to last month, we went to people, all gravitated towards us yeah which is a very weird experience like you know, it's gone a long way when somebody just grabs a fire hydrant from the wall and just brings it over to you without saying anything but like, how cool is that though?

Speaker 2:

that like people are sort of just. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's what it is.

Speaker 3:

There's no shame, there's no stigma to it, it's just it's just the same as someone saying that they're into any other kink. Yeah, yeah, it's. It's nice, it's almost nice to not feel worried about saying it either and kind of we've got over our own mental barriers about it and we're kind of thinking now, well, if someone's not into it, then they're not into it.

Speaker 4:

That's cool yeah, the amount, and also, with us doing the event, the amount of people who haven't questioned us doing an event as well. Like the most, we've had much more support in the event than I and I was expecting more, not criticism, but like judgment I'd say judgment more like people being a bit reserved and being like questioning sort of, but no, the amount of, like people who run their own events, the amount of support we've had from them, like everyone in the community, has just been like, yeah, just another space that is so cool.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, a lot of people have said, you know, this was a really needed space, even people who have their own events and run their own events, and I think the fact that we've just brought something different and they've kind of turned around and said, yeah, you know what actually this was needed.

Speaker 4:

And I think that's what people appreciate is when you just bring something new. I think people mind if you start copying someone else, because then it's like well, why are you just copying but? If you bring something new, it's adding value to the community.

Speaker 2:

And the more diverse the space is, the better. And there's always somebody that's craving exactly what you're putting out.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2:

Some people will really gravitate towards swingers parties, other people will gravitate towards kink and other people just want that space in between.

Speaker 3:

And we said you know, at the end of the day, we're putting on an event that would be something that we would want to go to, and that's what we try and keep in mind. Is that, is this something we would want? Even things like down to the ticket pricing, is this something that we could afford if we were wanting to go to an event and all stuff like that? And I think that's what makes it better and they're the things that we thought about in doing this. You know, would we want to go to this event?

Speaker 2:

I love that. I can't wait for the next one.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's going to be good.

Speaker 2:

On that note, should we go and have some drinks or what? Yeah?

Speaker 3:

let's do it All right.

Speaker 2:

Thanks so much for coming on. It's been weird, it's been fun, as always. Come over whenever you want and drink alcohol.

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