How Women Leaders Move From Chaos to Calm

In this episode of TheKarasWrightShow, Karas Wright sits down with MadhuraJoshi, feminine leadership speaker and creator of the CALM framework, for a powerful conversation about self-leadership, feminine leadership, confidence, grief, resilience, and what it really means to lead through chaos.

Together, they unpack the internal stories women carry in business and leadership, how self-abandonment shows up in our decisions, and why clarity, confidence, boundaries, and self-trust are essential if we want to lead well at work and at home. Madhura shares the deeply personal origin story behind her CALM framework and how life’s hardest moments shaped the way she now helps women lead themselves with more courage and groundedness.

This episode is for women leaders, business owners, and anyone navigating uncertainty while trying to stay true to who they are.

00:00 Introduction 

02:37 Madhura’s grief and leadership journey 

05:19 Everything happens for me not to me 

10:11 Self-abandonment and choosing yourself 

16:30 The CALM framework explained 

19:02 Confidence feminine leadership and imposter syndrome 

29:15 Grounding yourself in hard conversations 

34:52 How to stop shrinking in the room 

39:04 Final takeaways and where to find Madhura 

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WHAT YOU'LL LEARN

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→ How self-leadership shapes the way you lead at work and at home

→ Why women often shrink themselves even when they know they belong

→ How to move from chaos to calm in difficult seasons of life

→ What confidence really looks like when you are still figuring things out

→ How to stop self-abandoning and start trusting yourself

→ Why feminine leadership is a strength, not a weakness

→ How to give feedback, set boundaries, and lead with grounded confidence

→ Simple mindset shifts to help you reframe fear and negative self-talk

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ABOUT MADHURA JOSHI

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Madhura Joshi is a feminine leadership speaker who helps women tune into themselves, lead through chaos, and show up with more calm, clarity, and confidence. Through her work and her CALM framework, she empowers women to trust themselves, navigate hard seasons, and lead from a more grounded place.

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IF THIS HELPED YOU

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

I am definitely on the other side of it for sure. There was a lot of the last three years have been definitely this fog. I've but one thing I've always known: everything happens for me. It doesn't happen to me. Okay. You need to say that again. Everything happens for me, not to me. Okay. What does that mean? So everything's happening for my highest good. So no matter what I'm going through, there is a reason behind it. It's not that the world is against me, that victim mentality that a lot of people, and it's it's normal. It's normal to wonder why, why me? What did I ever do to deserve this? Because no one signs up for that. But how do you, how do you switch that perspective? And I realize that every test, you can only have a testimony if you have a test. A testimonial comes from that, that test that you're in the fire, you're dealing with all the mess. And you come out of that. But that testimonial is for somebody else. What I've walked through is not for me. It's so I can share that with other people to give them hope that there is a silver lining. There is the, you can see the light at the end of the tunnel, and you will come out stronger at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

I love that. What this reminds me of is we have a choice how we navigate through situations. And we don't often see that choice. And so it's the epitome of, you know, that opposite where it's really, and I don't want to diminish anything that anyone is going through because there's a lot of tough things. My divorce was probably the toughest thing I ever went through. I can't even imagine putting and dealing with small children through the death of their father. During the past week or two, I've noticed in both my one-on-one coaching, my consulting, and my group programs a narrative that is starting to show up, especially with women business owners and women senior leaders, about how we get caught with the stories inside our heads that start to pull us off of being on brand when we are leading ourselves and others. And so I'm thrilled to have Madura Joshi here from Ignite Your Inner Potential. And if there was somebody who is my sister from another MISTA, it is you, Chica, because we have so many shared experiences in life. And so tell us a little bit about what you do to help empower women in leadership. Thank you, Karis.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

I'm so excited to be here because this is, you know, this is my gym. This is what I'm excited about. Um, well, how I work is I work with women to really empower them into tuning into themselves and leading through the chaos. And how to do that in a framework that I created called Calm. And because we as women, we wear many, many hats, so many different hats. And we're constantly jumping from one chaotic situation to another. And how do we lead with that? How do we manage when chaos is constantly around, whether it's work with our kids, whether it's work, our partners, our parents, whatever that looks like. So, how do we lead in those moments in a calm or grounded fashion without letting the chaos take us out completely?

SPEAKER_02 3:54

Going from chaos to calm and being grounded. That sounds like the dream, Madura. Because we are like we run from chaotic lives at home and then at work, and we juggle so many different hats. So walk us through the program.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

So calm is all about you want to be able to communicate effectively, but you also want to be able to adapt. You want to master, you want to also have a legacy. And you have to have clarity in that communication as well. So that's that framework. When you're clear on where you're going and you know where you're going, then you can communicate effectively. You have to be adaptable. If you're not adaptable in the crazy world that we live in, change is the only constant thing in our life. So we have to change.

SPEAKER_02 4:44

Okay. Let's pause here because I want you to come and tell us a little bit about the origin story and what got you here. Because I think this is not just a framework that you've created. It is born out of trials and tribulations and being in the chaos yourself. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

So the origin story of this actually was three years ago when my life as I knew it was turned upside down and I had to walk my children through the death of their father. And no one teaches you that. That type of leadership, it's your self-leadership at that moment. And that's probably the most chaotic scenario that has ever happened. And if I fast or rewind even more, is that in 2020, because I was not leading myself, I landed in the hospital with gallbladder surgery, emergency gallbladder surgery. So I didn't lead myself. I was abandoning myself, putting everybody else in front of me to only find out I was at death's door. Fast forward having to deal with how do you walk your children through that moment? How do you explain to them, oh my gosh, this is how dad is going to look in a coffin, their grief along with your own grief? Because that piece is huge. And when you don't know how to really lead in that moment, you'll fall apart. But you have to hold it together because there's two young children looking up at you, going, okay, how do I move through this in this moment that feels so big? What's next? And so from that came calm. And it's been three years in the in the making, and I've worked with clients and I've talked about it, but I didn't really have the framework. And it wasn't till earlier this year when I was at platinum in um Orlando with eWomen that that framework kind of came to mind because I realized that's what I help women do. It's leading in the chaos and how to stay calm in that moment.

unknown 6:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:01

The experience that you had, I don't want to diminish that because there's a lot of grief that you had to navigate through yourself while also supporting the kids through and navigating a new way of living, which is different. Before we dive into the essence of calm, how are you doing now as you've through it?

SPEAKER_00 7:27

I I am definitely on the other side of it for sure. There was a lot of the last three years have been definitely this fog. I've but one thing I've always known: everything happens for me. It doesn't happen to me. Okay, you need to say that again. Everything happens for me, not to me. Okay. What does that mean? So everything's happening for my highest good. So no matter what I'm going through, there is a reason behind it. It's not that the world is against me, that victim mentality that a lot of people, and it's it's normal. It's normal to wonder why, why me? What did I ever do to deserve this? Because no one signs up for that. But how do you, how do you switch that perspective? And I realize that every test, you can only have a testimony if you have a test. A testimonial comes from that, that test that you're in the fire, you're dealing with all the mess. And you come out of that. But that testimonial is for somebody else. What I've walked through is not for me. It's so I can share that with other people to give them hope that there is a silver lining. There is the, you can see the light at the end of the tunnel, and you will come out stronger at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

I love that. What this reminds me of is we have a choice how we navigate through situations. And we don't often see that choice. And so it's the epitome of, you know, that opposite where it's really, and I don't want to diminish anything that anyone is going through because there's a lot of tough things. My divorce was probably the toughest thing I ever went through. I can't even imagine putting and dealing with small children through the death of their father. But you chose to look at this through a growth standpoint. And I think that's where that concept of post-traumatic growth comes from, as opposed to that. So walk us right through those moments of, oh my goodness, I know I can't do this for myself. Um, I've got to do it for my kids, I've got to do it for others. And that concept of testimony is for others.

SPEAKER_00 9:44

Yeah, absolutely. And I think in my case, it was a little bit of a different scenario. Not that it diminishes anything of the severity of the scenario. But 11 months prior, we separated. So, but we weren't divorced. We weren't even legally separated. So I think that was God's way, the universe, whatever you believe in, protecting the children from that huge gap that was going to come after because the separation had already started. So they weren't seeing him in the house all the time. Like, yes, they saw him every day, and that was fine. But I think that prevented the it to be worse. Prevented it to be a scenario where they would have found him in that moment. Right. So that protected them. I think we were very protected as as hard as it was. It's never easy to walk away, especially from someone who's already ill. So those kind of scenarios where there's also a cultural aspect to it. How do you walk away when divorce is not really a thing that you're supposed to do? And you're supposed to do it through sickness and in health. However, my I had to realize at that moment that if I didn't put myself first when I ended up in the hospital, looking back now, my children would have probably ended up with no parents, which would have been a whole other ballgame to deal with. So wow.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

So you chose to take that step back. This moment happens, and you are moving forward through the chaos. And what have you learned?

SPEAKER_00 11:55

You're stronger than you know. You have something within you that will get you through the hard times. And there's days you want to throw your hands up and cry and say, I give up, but you know that that's not an option because you have two little people. And there's so much life to be lived.

unknown 12:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

There's so much life to be lived.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

I want to draw an interesting parallel because you made an exceptionally brave choice to choose to separate when it is from a cultural standpoint from even just a societal standpoint difficult. I did the opposite. I state. It's more culturally appropriate to for a Caucasian female to say, done in North America, raised in North America several generations, but I state. And he made the choice. And it was really interesting. And so I think it's a really important message for other women who are in a similar situation for you to sit down and say, well, how do you make that choice when you've got your friends, your family, everyone going, No, don't do that. But you're like, I gotta listen to me.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

It was probably one of the hardest decisions I ever made. Hardest. Because there's a lot of guilt associated with, oh, you're leaving, you're asking for a separation, your children, because society says, oh, a child should children of a two-parent home. It's better for them. What I realized is when you were at death's door, and had that not happened, I probably would have stayed. Had I not been woken up in such a smack upside the head to be like, you can't do this anymore. This self-abandonment had become so huge. And I think we have to look at it from the perspective of if you abandon yourself, what are you teaching your children? If you abandon yourself, where does that leave you at the end of the day? And when you start to choose yourself, things will work out at the end of the day better than you thought for you and for your family, whatever that next level is for you.

SPEAKER_02 14:35

And that's that self-leadership.

SPEAKER_00 14:37

And that's that self-leadership.

SPEAKER_02 14:40

If you had a different set of circumstances and didn't have that wake-up call in the hospital, what would the advice that you'd give yourself?

SPEAKER_00 14:53

Looking back, if I were to look back, I would still say I would ask myself, because it was, it was heading in that direction. There was a obviously there's always two people to tango in a in a marriage, as you know. And I think you have to ask yourself, and I would tell myself, really ask yourself, are you living?

unknown 15:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

Are you are you truly living the life that you know you're meant to live? And is this teaching your children what you want to teach them? Or is this teaching them, oh, this is what society expects from you? So you have to just do as you're told scenario.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

I think it's a really important narrative because we don't recognize in that something being on this side of the separation, divorce, and being a single mom and then re-uh remarrying. It is about you make the choice to stay in, but you are inadvertently teaching behaviors how to what you're accepting, which for our girls is huge, but it's also teaching our boys what we're willing to accept in a relationship. And that's how cycles continue. Now, we both are working through our master's in psychology, which is why I absolutely love this. When you look at it and put your future therapist and counselor's hat on, what have you learned?

SPEAKER_00 16:25

I've learned that every scenario is different. I'm all, I am a huge romantic. I have what? I am a romantic at heart. Love, love. But realizing that, you know what, sometimes uncoupling is the healthiest thing you can do for both parties. It doesn't necessarily mean it's a failure. And I think society puts this huge burden on everybody's shoulders that if a marriage doesn't work out, you've failed. You failed as a person, you've failed your children, you've failed your parents, whatever societal norms, cultural norms. So women and men stay in scenarios that are not for their highest and best. Just because they're ashamed of what will people think? What will my parents say? What will society think? I failed, instead of truly asking ourselves, okay, have we have we truly done everything possible? Is there anything else we can try? If the answer is no, then it's okay to say, you know what? Maybe this is the best option.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

And so we wake up, we choose what we're gonna do, and we look at the chaos differently. And I think that's where there's parallel in the work that we do with leaders, myself more with business owners, but also with leaders, in having that understanding of what does self-leadership look like? And how do we actually approach that with others? Because self-leadership and how we lead others, it does trickle over to family.

SPEAKER_00 18:27

100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:30

So now let's jump over to the program.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Chaos to calm. So it is it's understanding that life can happen. Our life is happening all the time. We as women are going from one chaotic experience to another. We're either in it, we're leaving, or entering a new one. And so, how do we stay grounded in those moments? How do you stay grounded when you end up having to walk your children through a funeral scenario? How do you stay grounded when maybe your parents get sick? Your spouse gets sick, you get sick. How do you stay grounded in those moments to know, okay, this is happening, but I can't just stay in the under the covers all day and eat chocolate and say, okay, I'm just gonna stay here for the rest of my life and not exit the house and continue to move forward. Take baby steps every single day to move towards that next level. And it comes down to really knowing who you are. When you truly know who you are as a woman, as a leader, then it's easier to stay calm in those moments. Because you have that clarity, you have the adaptability, because you say, okay, this has happened. Now what? Then you know, okay, I want to create a legacy. Because we're all creating legacies. We're not here to just sit here and be like, okay, blah, blah, blah. It's how do we create that legacy when when it's the time end of the time for us? What do we want people to say about us? And then we can then master it from that perspective. We start to master who we are.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

That is beautiful. There's a real parallel to the self-mastery, the legacy and the grounding that we need to do to figure out who we are on our own, to also what we do within business. Because you need to have that clarity in order to be able to move a business forward, to be able to create the vision for somebody else to understand what your legacy is and how they need to move it forward. As a female in leadership and teaching other women in leadership how to do that, where do you where's the starting point?

SPEAKER_00 21:10

It comes to asking yourself, who do I want to be? Who do I want to be when I grow up? Kind of kind of question. Because so many times we're so afraid. There's this fear, the imposter syndrome, as we were talking about before, the imposter syndrome of what pops into our heads, where we're sitting there going, oh, well, what will people think? Because we have been ingrained with that since we were very young. Most women have heard be seen, not heard. Most of us who are in leadership, the things that were written in our report card was we talk too much.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 21:51

Yes. I would love to see all my teachers and tell them, well, I get paid to talk. So it's a good thing I talk too much in class. Yes. But it comes down to that point and realizing that this is our life. When we're younger, yes, we have to follow certain rules and we need to go to school. And there's there's certain expectations. But once we become grown women, we don't know how to switch that off. So we're still afraid. Oh, how do I tiptoe around this scenario or how do I show up without somebody getting offended?

SPEAKER_02 22:33

How do I give feedback to somebody or set expectation without coming off as the B-word? That was a conversation I had just this morning with a VP, um, female leader who is really she's gonna make a huge impact in the world, but is afraid of having that without turning into sounding like a man, wants to keep that femininity. And we've talked you and I've had a couple of different conversations about that. And so that's where we're navigating. How do you step into the power of being a senior leader and an executive in a position that wants to lead with feminine energy?

SPEAKER_00 23:23

And I think we have to realize as women, we're more holistic. We're more holistic. We have intuition, we have empathy in ways that men don't. They have their superpowers. We as women have ours. And the more that we harness those superpowers and say, you know what, I can be confident and I can provide feedback in a way that is aligned to me. Yes, sure, I might have to set boundaries. And I think as women, we don't know how to do that. True. So when we start to set boundaries and we know when to say no, and we know how to, you kind of have to learn how to play the game in corporate. As a leader, you have to know when to voice your opinion and sometimes when to sit back and just observe. Because when you sit back and observe, you can see things with more clarity. Then you can provide feedback in a way that is going to actually come across as more astute, more grounded and more feminine without needing to shout because you want to speak over your male counterpart.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

Or just get a word in edgewise. Yeah. Because there is that experience of being in a boardroom and being maybe one of two women in the room and trying to get your get your point across without sounding like you're aggressive.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

And I think that as women, we need to own when we knew do need to be aggressive. Like there's a way to be soft, but there's also a way to be aggressive in a way that doesn't come across as, oh, I'm a man.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

So let's go down that avenue for a minute, because we both have some thoughts on it. What would be a couple of pieces of insight that you would provide?

SPEAKER_00 25:29

I think if we lean more into our confidence, if we are completely confident in what we're seeing, it's not gonna come across as aggressive. But if we're unsure and we're kind of trying to pussyflip around, I don't know about this or I don't, and trying to make the point, we're gonna come out of that confidence and groundedness and come across as aggressive.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

Yes, and and I just want to clarify confidence doesn't mean knowing absolutely everything about everything, because there is a misconception that that is confidence. So I want to add to that it's belief and conviction that helps contribute to confidence.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

And as well, yes, it's not we don't and to be able to say in that confidence, you know what, I don't actually have the answer for this, but I'm willing to go find out.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

It's understanding the impact of whatever the initiative, the decision, here's where it's going, taking in the information and being able to come back and saying, here's where we are going. How do we get there?

SPEAKER_00 26:46

By having conversations, opening up conversations about where as women we're maybe lacking, maybe where we need to build more confidence. Because the more we talk about it, the more confident we become. It's it's just like brushing your teeth when you're a kid. It's a habit.

unknown 27:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

It becomes a habit of, hey, I gotta do this more, I gotta talk about it more. Just and and we see this even in the counseling aspect, we're gonna bring that in. Is when we're on the other side of a scenario, it's easier to talk about it than when we're in it.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

I'm equating this to the gym. It's getting in the reps. And so, in order to lift heavier weight, you need to get in the reps, you need to get in on a regular basis. And that may mean okay, I haven't been contributing to conversations. I'm going to insert one conversation or one insight and seeing what the feedback is and looking at what the feedback is providing without judgment.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

And I think also not taking everything to heart. Ooh, say more about that. I think that a lot of times women, we we take it to heart to mean that it's about us. They're saying this and it means that I am XYZ instead of stepping back and saying, okay, why are they saying what they're saying? Doesn't mean anything about me. Their perception and their objective or their viewpoint doesn't really mean that that's what they believe about me. So this, with all the politically correct, everybody's so scared to really voice their opinion. But I think we also need to look at, okay, not everything is about me in the grand scheme of things.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

And not everything necessarily needs to be voiced. And I think this comes back to understanding how and where and what's the right time. And so it's picking up on the verbal cues. It's also recognizing, and what you're saying to me, how I'm interpreting that, is making sure that you're not trying to say something for the just the sake of saying it. And this has been something I've really had to work on in in my leadership is understanding when it's additive as opposed to repetitive, and understanding what is the impact that I'm wanting to make in that space. And if it's not impact-driven or additive, then there's no need to say something. And it is absolutely AOK to stay silent if you have nothing to contribute. It is not okay to do that on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_00 29:51

Correct. So silence can't come from the space of I'm afraid. And I think as women, because we're so afraid to say anything, we stay silent instead of are we bringing something to the like if we're bringing something to the table, are we adding, is there a point to what we're saying? But if it is, we're just gonna stay silent because, oh, we don't want to rock the boat, we're not gonna change how things go. Yes. And I and I think it comes back to that old adage of if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. However, sometimes if you see something wrong happening, have the courage to say, hey, you know what? Maybe this isn't the best way to approach this scenario because of X, Y, Z. So that it's not doesn't come across as, oh, you're being aggressive or you're the B-word or everything under the sun, because that's what happens a lot of the time. If you, if you're ramped up and you come in guns ablazing, it's taking that step back, saying, okay, I need to, I need to speak about this, I need to address this, this concern is, but do it in a way that you would like if if this happened to you, how would you like to be addressed in that moment?

SPEAKER_02 31:22

This is bringing up the concept of the grounding. And so it's understanding what is the situation that you're walking in, whether it's the boardroom or one-on-one meeting or salary negotiations, or in the case of a lot of the business owners that I work with, um, communication to your team. It's grounding yourself, detaching the emotion from it, being prepared for your own evaluation afterwards, as well as having one or two really pertinent uh individuals that are going to give you honest feedback and like feedback that is insight.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

And I also think that we need to look at feedback that that has insight as a way for us to improve. And also looking at it from who is this coming from? So if it's coming from someone that you're thinking, okay, this person has no business saying what they're saying, and I'm not gonna take what they have to heart because it's not, it's not moving the needle for me. And what they're saying really has no validity in my life. Let it go.

unknown 32:38

Let it go.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

Just let it go because I think we we take it and then we're like, oh, I'm gonna, the emotions start to ramp up. And we need to, as you said, detach that part and look at it from a very critical perspective that's more grounded in facts.

SPEAKER_02 32:59

Yes. Yes. Because so I think there's an important thing that we're missing is that it's easy to say detach, but you do need to feel the fields. And then ask yourself what is the small sliver of truth that might be in that piece of feedback that we didn't want to hear, so that we can use that for growth, for helping, you know, our kids through those moments, for our teams to move forward, for a community to have impact, because I know community is very important for both of us because it's larger than ourselves. That impacts the legacy.

unknown 33:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 33:43

It impacts the things that we are wanting to do that actually light us up.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

You you've totally that what lights us up. And I think as women, we don't look at that piece.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

Right? We don't look at that piece. And we do need to look at that piece. But what we also need to look at is some questions that have been curated for us. Are you ready to play a little game? Yeah. And so we have some random questions that have been sent specifically surrounding this uh topic. And the first one comes from Lana. Uh, how do I show up confidently in my business when I'm still figuring out things behind the scenes? That's a great question.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

And I think confidence comes from courage. And confidence is actually an emotion. So, yeah, you're still figuring it out, but we're all still figuring it out. So don't allow that figuring out piece to hold you back. Just do it. The more reps, as we spoke about, the more reps you put in, the more confident you'll be. So if I don't feel confident getting on camera and I just keep saying, well, I'm a little shy. If I don't put in the reps and I'm still figuring out the algorithm or whatever, I'm gonna hold myself back. So I think it really comes down to just do the thing and you will become more confident. Use your courage.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

I love that. I want to build upon a few things that you said there. One of which is confidence and moving forward and doing the thing while you're scared is different than faking it till you make it. Absolutely. It is. It's stepping into the courage and of being okay that I'm going to go into the chaos. Um, I'm not good at this yet, but I'm going to get good. And so I'm reminded of a conversation that I had last week about the language and the narrative that you use, stories we tell ourselves is really important. So while you're stepping into that, I'm figuring things out, it's what am I learning as I'm doing this and being okay with that um failure, that further attempt in learning, so that you are moving forward. And every, I'm just going to use uh something that's come up in the last week here. Uh the I'm I don't like making calls. And so the conversation was well, I'm getting better at making sales calls. And every sales call, what am I learning that I can apply differently that I don't want to do and that I want to continue to do? So it's taking that opportunity of, I haven't got it yet. I will figure it out and move forward. Our next question. I love this one. It's from Chiara. And it's how do I stop shrinking myself in rooms where I know I belong? I know you're gonna love this question. I know you're gonna love this one.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

What a great question. And it's you know you belong there. You know you belong there. So just own it. Walk in as if you own that room. Walk in trusting. It goes back to self-trust. Trust that you are meant to be in those rooms.

SPEAKER_02 37:36

What is one grounding technique that you would tell Kiara?

SPEAKER_00 37:41

So I would tell her to visualize. So close your eyes, visualize you you're stepping into those rooms, and people are coming up to you and you're magnetic with your energy because your energy speaks before you even open your mouth. So, how you're put on your favorite makeup, do your hair the way you feel, do stuff to make you feel like you are a million bucks. Get into that, then walk into the room. Yes. Once you do that and you visualize yourself in those rooms, the confidence will come and you'll stop shrinking. Take a friend with you. Just to make it a little bit easier if you're really worried. But visualize that you are meant to be in the rooms because you just said you know, you know, you're meant to be in these rooms, but you're finding yourself shrink. Visualize yourself expanding, like there's an energy coming from you as you walk into the room that just magnetizes the people that are meant to connect with you to come up and talk to you.

unknown 38:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:46

Love that. The visualization is something that we know is adopted from high-performing sports. Seeing yourself on the other side of it, having the conversation, doing the talk, stepping into the arena in itself. I'd add to that uh being able to vocalize what the fear is out loud to somebody else or the emotion or whatever it is to get it out, and then to replace what it is going to feel like when you're done.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

And I think also is asking yourself, is there any truth to what you're saying? Is there a truth and writing it out and saying, okay, should I not be in these rooms? Whatever, whatever you're saying in your head, write it out. And then if you take a red pen and ask yourself, okay, is it, is there any truth to this statement? There's no truth to it. Take the red pen, mark, put a line right through it, and then write in a different color. What's the actual truth? To start to reframe what you're saying to yourself. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 40:01

Yeah. It's essentially turning that automatic negative thought into a more positive or realistic narrative and being able to acknowledge what it is like to be on the other side. And then to acknowledge what it is like once you are on the other side of that. And then do it again. And put yourself purposely in that room again and again and again.

SPEAKER_00 40:30

And it doesn't necessarily it gets easier, but there's always rooms that you're gonna find that you're like, uh I'm a little nervous, but still doing it.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

Still doing it and recognizing it is okay. I will never be absolutely in love with this camera right here. It's not gonna happen, but I'm no longer scared of it. So it is doing the thing. I'm super excited to have you here. I would love one thing that you would love to leave our audience with, trust yourself at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_00 41:17

Because as a leader, it has to start with you. If you don't trust yourself, it's very hard to lead other people. Because then there isn't that confidence, there isn't that clarity. So when you trust yourself and know that, hey, I might not have all the answers, but I'm willing to find out and do it and be willing to course correct. Everything is figure outable at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

Everything is figure outable at the end of the day. Moving from chaos to calm, your new program, where can we find you?

SPEAKER_00 41:52

You can find me on all the platforms: LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook. I think I'm on TikTok as well. Like you can find me anywhere.

SPEAKER_02 42:00

All right. And we're gonna do that. Madeira, thank you so much for coming and joining us today. Absolutely. Thank you so much. Have a great day.