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Jurassic Bark: The Ethics of De-Extinction
The boundary between science fiction and reality continues to blur as Colossal Biosciences pioneers the field of de-extinction. Their journey began with a simple yet profound question: could we bring extinct species back to life? Their answer comes in the form of woolly mice – adorably furry genetic experiments that serve as the first step toward their ultimate goal of resurrecting the woolly mammoth by 2028.
Led by entrepreneur Ben Lamb, Colossal has already created three dire wolves – extinct for over 12,500 years – now growing at an undisclosed 2,000-acre preserve. These achievements represent remarkable breakthroughs in genetic science, combining DNA recovered from preserved specimens with genetic material from living relatives. Through precise CRISPR technology, scientists modify specific genes that determine traits like hair thickness and fat storage capabilities.
But as we marvel at these scientific wonders, profound questions emerge about the purpose and ethics of de-extinction. While Colossal claims their mission centers on ecological restoration and repairing damaged ecosystems, skeptics point to the clear commercial opportunities: from future attraction parks featuring extinct creatures to novelty food products like mammoth steaks. The company's poetic mission statements about "reawakening Earth's lost wilds" stand in contrast to the entrepreneurial drive behind the venture.
Beyond ecological considerations, this technology opens doors to revolutionary applications, including enzymes capable of decomposing plastics in weeks instead of centuries. Yet the shadow of potential human genetic modification looms large – a field where ethical boundaries vary dramatically between countries, potentially creating a new kind of scientific arms race.
As we stand at this frontier of genetic science, we must ask ourselves: Just because we can resurrect extinct species, should we? And if we proceed, who will ensure this powerful technology serves our planet rather than merely our curiosity or commercial interests? Join us as we explore the woolly ethical territory of bringing extinct creatures back to life.
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Speaker 3:what do I got? Okay, all right, have you have you seen? Uh, well, first I should start. Do you know the name? Uh, ben lamb. No, have you heard of colossal biosciences? No, okay, here. Here is colossal by biosciences.
Speaker 2:They are working to preform de-extinction I've seen that and they and they seen that and they just brought back the arctic wolf or something.
Speaker 3:The dire wolf. So here's what they started. These guys are kind of I don't know if you've seen these. They started with these guys Wooly mice.
Speaker 2:Dang. Those guys look like they went to the wash.
Speaker 3:So what they did and Ben Lamb, he was on the Joe Rogan Experience recently and so if anybody's interested they can go listen to that podcast episode and really get in the weeds and get to know what they're doing there at Colossal. Basically, they started with the mice. They created, I think, 36 woolly mice. So they really want to bring back species like the woolly mammoth, the dodo. What other animals are on their list? If I can get to species, okay, their list, if I can get to species, okay, uh, thylacine, dodo, dire, wolf, woolly mammoth. So the woolly mammoth is kind of their, their, their grail animal, what they want to bring back what kind of fucking jurassic park shit is this?
Speaker 3:it's this. This is real life. So they started with the woolly. The woolly mice.
Speaker 2:Yes, and so, so wait, give me the rundown. How are they doing this? That's an excellent question.
Speaker 3:And when are the dinosaurs coming out? Yes, that's a great question. So they're doing this pretty much in the same way that it was presented in Jurassic Park. It's pretty much the exact same the skittles and amber.
Speaker 3:No, well, no, they're finding Spice and frogs. They're finding DNA from actual specimens. They're from actual, you know. You have things that are frozen in the tundra, you have preserved bodies, you have teeth, bone. Anyway, they're gathering thena from all sorts of places and they're getting to the place, to the point where they have somewhere between 90, 95 to, you know, 99 percent of the dna, and then they they're able to fill in the rest with animals that are that are close, and some of some of the animals that we currently have walking the earth are are almost almost identical to the ones that we, that we have lost, like the, like the dire wolf.
Speaker 3:So the woolly mites they wanted to figure out if they could do it so they know what the woolly mammoth. They figured out what part of the, the woolly mammoth's dna, controls hair, and they did not do what a lot of people originally thought put woolly mammoth dna in the mice one. They that they wouldn't even. They weren't even sure if that would bring life and that would probably be a disservice to the mouse. What they did was they examined the mice and found out in their dna where the same section in the woolly mammoth's dna that controls hair production and they genetically altered that to get this. They have 36 of these guys.
Speaker 3:I named two of them, chip and dale, and they, uh, the people they've become quickly become a web sensation and people are like, hey, that's chip, where's dale, dale? We need to see dale, we need proof of life, that dale still exists and they think they can tell which which is which, which is kind of funny. But uh, yeah, I'll give you a little little here. This is from NBC News A little Lester Holt, a little Lester Holt here. Let's get my volume up.
Speaker 1:Finally, tonight, the good news for scientists and fans of animals. We've only known in history books, morgan Chesky with the tale of the woolly mice. They're small, some would say even cute. So this is Chip on the left and that's Dale on the right, two woolly mice made famous, born on the cutting edge of science, these are the most precision edited animals on the planet. We're not happy about it.
Speaker 3:That's Ben Lamb.
Speaker 1:We're thrilled about it. The DNA breakthrough by Colossal Biosciences all part of CEO Ben Lamb's plan to resurrect the woolly mammoth and other extinct species and return balance to ailing ecosystems. We actually took the genes that made a mammoth a mammoth, mapped them to mice and in only one month we produced living, healthy little mice. So we're here to tell people before woolly mammoths come mice. Before woolly mammoths we get woolly mice. This is a validation step on our way to the mammoth Colossal, altering seven mammoth genes, such as hair thickness, color and ability to store fat key for cold environments before applying them to chip and dangle. I never thought that mice could captivate and inspire.
Speaker 3:They are cuter with all the hair.
Speaker 1:Yes, this is them, colossal's chief animal officer, Matt James, says pictures are pouring in from all over the country. Students inspired by science, he says, could save endangered species. This is immediately A conservation.
Speaker 2:This is immediately.
Speaker 1:Colossal's playing God. What is it of conservation?
Speaker 2:This is immediately Colossal's playing God.
Speaker 3:I would argue that we have a real issue as humanity of playing God every day with nature. I think what we're doing is trying to reverse the course, try to repair the sins that humanity has already committed.
Speaker 1:Colossal says, its first woolly mammoth is on the move for 2028. These two more than have to soak up the spotlight Till then. Morgan Chesky. Nbc. News dallas thanks.
Speaker 2:So yeah, this, this is right there in in the, in the, in the house, that, uh, that that we spent so much time wondering if we, we could no one stopped thinking, think if we should.
Speaker 3:So they have. I listened to the whole episode that Ben Lamb sat down with Joe Rogan and there was a great many questions, of course, that Joe posed, and Ben Lamb revealed all of the questions that their company has been inundated with since their inception. Things like, hey, when, when, when are we getting the dinosaurs? And when? When we have woolly mammoths, can we? Can we eat them? Can we get woolly mammoth steaks?
Speaker 2:Can we eat them? Yes, of course, because human beings only want to hunt large creatures.
Speaker 3:So they did the woolly mice before they did the dire wolves, and here's just a real quick clip of the dire wolves that they have brought back getting big.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, when puppy dogs, they get big so they have three of them now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, they have three of them, two boys and a girl, and they're going to, they're going to keep going, so here's my first.
Speaker 2:The first question. I mean amazing, crazy, crazy science. That part is obvious. But that article. They said that they were doing this in order to repair alien ecosystems and you said that, um, they're finding these similarities in the case of direwolf. There's uh, species that exist that are almost identical. It's that that contradicts, it makes it seem unnecessary. Why are we just not breeding animals necessary for the contemporary ecosystem to to balance back out? Do we need to genetically create creatures to do that? I don't. What is a woolly mammoth going to do for the planet?
Speaker 3:is my question. That question is too big for me. Stakes, we're going to bring back the Flintstones.
Speaker 2:I'm calling bullshit on the puff piece drive that they stated for the reasoning behind the project. They want to do it because it's science and it's fucking cool and there might be other applications. But they don't need to bring back the dire wolf, which went extinct 12,500 years ago, to repair an ecosystem. That's not the solution.
Speaker 3:Yes, that is one of the arguments against. Of course, right, those animals had their time, they served their purpose in the ecosystems and the habitats that they had when they were here, and nature selected them and eliminated them from the population for reason and for the better. And now here we are. We should accept it and move forward. Correct, and you are right when I mentioned there were similarities between the current, the species that we currently have, and some of the species of the past that are no longer with us, for example, with the woolly mammoths.
Speaker 3:The indian elephants are almost identical in dna to the woolly mammoths. Yeah, they're, they're pretty much their closest relative, I think. With the dire wolf, I want to say they filled in the gaps when they made them with red wolves. Almost, I'm almost certain they took DNA from the red wolves to fill in what they didn't have and what they hadn't captured for their reinvention. The 2.0 version of the dire wolves, or near identical, doesn't necessarily mean that those animals behave in the same way once they're walking the earth, once they're actually here, they are quite individual, while they serve many of the same purposes, uh, as far as uh, culling some of some of the, the prey and other animals that exist. When it comes to preventing a species from just taking over and overwhelming a particular ecosystem, there's potential use cases for it.
Speaker 2:So it looks like the biggest value that is actual one of them is that but genetic and evolutionary value, and they're talking about how they can use these creatures that they're genetically breeding to get insights into prehistoric ecosystems and evolutionary pathways. So from a scientific standpoint, from anthropological standpoint, I think that is a very interesting. And then, but then they talk about, um, ecological roles. Which is what? Which is what these people were saying. They're saying that they're saying that the dire wolf or apex predators during the uh, the plasticine epic, preying on large herbivores like bison, horses and maybe even mammoths. I want to see that dog take down a bull and then we're gonna make it happen in 2028 packs so you'd have to do it in a pack.
Speaker 3:I mean, they work together. We know wolves work together.
Speaker 2:You have to get it in a in a disney cartoon by bringing all the packs together.
Speaker 3:But animals, like animals that hunt in packs, like wolves, when they, when they use them to naturally cull and reduce the population of another given species, whatever their prey might be, think about the animals that they're able to get. It's the young, it's the old and it's a sickly.
Speaker 2:So it leaves the strongest animals left and that helps to produce a stronger, stronger, stronger offspring as the species progresses, just like how they always recommend you making friends with a fat person because when the zombies attack, they might save your life someday. Have never heard that, but so, so, but, as I was saying, um, the, the, the, the ecological role they're talking about is restoring a predator with similar traits to help rebalance ecosystems where top predators are missing or diminished. Sure, and then chatGPT gives me an example. So this is called rewilding, that's what it's called, and ChatGPT gives me the example of when wolves were reintroduced into Yellowstone. So my question is why do we need to bring back the dire wolf if we could just introduce today's wolves into the same environment?
Speaker 3:We could introduce today's wolves into the same environment we we could, and I do believe a fair amount of their, their company, exists to find out if they can do something. Can we do this? Could we do this to find out if things are possible? I think an application could potentially be moving forward. Hey, we see that this current species that's not extinct. We need more of these now. Hey, can we go get 36 of these? Can, can you? We need a hundred of them for this park we need. When we visited hawaii, with chickens everywhere, why? Or in texas, you have wild boar everywhere, why. Or when you uh, you have too many pythons roaming Florida. Okay, well, do they need predators? Yes, there are invasive species there, and how can we balance out those particular extreme areas with a predator? That can be helpful and useful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've played this game. Sid Meier made it. And now what happens when you've genetically modified this creature to survive in the ecosystem where it didn't survive before, and now you've made it better and stronger and faster. And then you've seen the video game rampage. You see where I'm going with this.
Speaker 2:None of none of what they are saying is their core mission seems as necessary as they want you to think it is. I mean it's don't get me wrong, it's fucking cool. It is cool, but they're trying to sell it to the world's you know population by saying that has has all these things that that need to happen and and what. What you're? What you just said is the best example. We need to make adjustments to this ecosystem. I need, I need to place an order for, for, for uh, 26 regular wolves, because they don't need to be dire in any fashion, and then, okay, okay, give us 12 weeks, we'll get you your order. You can shove them out there. The reason why they're doing these extinct creatures is because it's cool, they can, and it has actual scientific discovery elements tied to understanding prehistoric ecosystems. That part I get. But we don't need some kind of special ancient breed of cougar for any reason so this is on their, their website, about the company.
Speaker 3:Pre prehistory has happened before bringing it back to life through bioscience, hasn't? At colossal biosciences, we endeavor to jumpstart nature's ancestral heartbeat, to see the woolly mammoth thunder upon the tundra once again, to advance the economies of biology and nutrition. Oh, stakes. To advance the yeah, we're back to stakes economies of biology and nutrition to make humanity more human and to reawaken the lost wilds of earth. I have a new question. So we and our planet can breathe easier. This is I mean, they're writing poetry.
Speaker 2:I'm I have. My next question is how is making mammoth steaks available going to increase our humanity? This is such, this is. Who do they get to write this?
Speaker 3:because this is the fluffiest bunch of bullshit. The world needs to be healed, which is exactly what we're doing through purposeful advancements in science, because, when it comes to our planet, science is everything.
Speaker 2:My eighth grade science teacher had science is everything along the long wall of her classroom. So I agree with that statement, yeah.
Speaker 3:So a part of this is to oh look, tony Robbins Interesting Talking about George Sturridge. Anyway, ben Lamb, he is a self-proclaimed entrepreneur.
Speaker 2:He has that part I get, because the real reason they're doing this, he said they said it in that little magic paragraph um grouping that you read. They really want this to be a a money-making endeavor where they're going to going to feed and and create zoo environments. So we're going to feed people with mammoth steaks and we're going to put the other ones in preserves or reservations or zoos and people will pay to see that shit.
Speaker 3:They're also working on a variety of other things that could be helpful, but let me just get a little bit into his bio here. Has built and sold multiple companies, including hypergiant ai soft, which is ai software, conversable, acquired by live person. Chaotic moon, acquired by accenture, and team chaos, acquired by zynga. He holds a bba in finance and accounting from baylor university at colossal lamb. Leads efforts to revive extinct species like the woolly mammoth, direwolf and dodo, using crisper technology, and also advancing conservation and biotech innovations. He's a billionaire with a net worth of $3.7 billion as of 2025, a fellow of the Explorers Club and active in angel investing, with a focus on tech, climate change and biodiversity. One of the things that was interesting from his visit to the Joe Rogan experience was an offshoot of genetically altering things to tackle real-life problems, so I forget exactly what it was. It was. Either I think he was talking about enzymes, so I forget exactly what it was it was, either I think he was talking about enzymes. He was. They were able to get in and create enzymes and or bacteria and make them to decompose plastics, which was extremely interesting. They were having some success where they were introducing their new bioengineered creations to plastic and it was eating all of it and within months gone, and they were saying that they project in the near future. They can get that down two weeks.
Speaker 3:I know we're talking about all of the plastics that we have in the ocean, all the microplastics and things like our water. I I just learned recently much of our own drink tap water, drinking water. The filtration systems that are being used at water treatment plants aren't sophisticated enough. The, the, the microplastics are fitting through. Yeah, so, unless you have some sort of uh, you need a more robust filtration system at your house that you're using in order to avoid all of that. And in addition to that, I also learned the Pacific Ocean is the graveyard for everything that comes down from space, right? So we're sending up all of these satellites and all of these space stations and spacecraft and where do we put them? In the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 2:We crash them where it's safe to do so without killing people, but then they just stay there. They don't go get that stuff.
Speaker 3:But then they also complain about the amount of plastic that's in the ocean. Who has put more plastic there than NASA?
Speaker 2:China. Yeah, well, there, you go, go. So this is all well and good and I like that they're doing that they're, they're figuring out these kinds of things, but when are they going to get to the real, real problems that genetic modification could help to solve, like making supermarket tomatoes taste better?
Speaker 3:Well, I think they're. They know, yeah, okay, they're tomatoes, all right, but they already know yeah, okay, tomatoes.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 3:There's going to be. There's going to be a, a race to find out who can use this in the in the best way possible. So currently in the united states we have there's there's a moratorium on using any of these technologies on humans.
Speaker 2:We're not using them on humans because if it's plastic, thinks what's going to do you?
Speaker 3:we're not. We're not. There's no clones out there, uh, roaming the earth. There there are some applications where people have asked for their. They've taken blood samples from their pets and they lost their dog, but they love their dog and they want their dog back. So then they clothe the dog and they get to start all over again. So that could be an enterprise all on its own. China does not and is not adhering to the same moratorium or the same rules that we are, of course, not. So I have heard that they are beginning to use some of these technologies on humans to create and to alter future human beings and existing human beings.
Speaker 3:If you can get into a live human's DNA and improve things or alleviate ailments, which they have some success in I think it was sickle cell he talked about people that are stricken with sickle cell disease they can get in there and they can change a few things in your dna and then you're, you're, you're good to go if that can have future benefits with hey, you had, you had cancer and now you don't anymore, or you, uh, you have, your pancreas is failing and, yeah, we fix that, or whatever it may be. Yes, when it comes to an army of people. If it's like, hey, we want to go to war and or we need to defend our country, but we don't want to use our citizens to do that, well, let's just clone and or create a world of soldiers that are superior to your natural human beings in every way. Great mouse play runner, the. The.
Speaker 3:The consideration and the thing people fear the most is if those, if those people that are genetically altered start to breed with people that aren't genetically altered, then what will that bring us? Super duper people, or or maybe it won't. Maybe it will have catastrophic effects and it will completely change your species moving forward, which is why people are so apprehensive to tip their toe in that water you remember when, uh, people were all concerned about eugenics?
Speaker 2:Now we're just creating people.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, if you can clone a dog with their DNA, we can already clone people. It's just that we're making a conscious decision not to I could use a couple more letter Ks at work. I'm telling you right now Well, it's going to take them four decades to get to your ability level we can't.
Speaker 2:We can't clone somebody and have them be where I am now. That's not how that works. We can't create a 47 year old letter k duplicate.
Speaker 3:Now the embryo still needs to develop as as it would I don't like this.
Speaker 2:this doesn't sound science fiction-y enough. I think we could do better. I think we could freshen up my BLT and we could clone me so that there's two of me, like in multiplicity Same age ready to go.
Speaker 3:So I think right now, the best value that they can offer is introducing species into environments that are stricken with invasive species. If they're bacteria is introducing species into environments that are stricken with invasive species. If their bacteria and their enzymes are actually capable of dissolving the world's unwanted plastics and cleaning out the oceans and making stuff that we don't want in our drinking water disappear. If they can rid the world of microplastics in our drinking water, then more power to them. And if they can use their technology to keep existing species on planet Earth so that their ecosystems can continue to thrive as they were or once did.
Speaker 3:Possibility to edit someone's DNA to improve or eliminate some sort of a disease or ailment or illness, I think that has value. As far as cloning human beings, starting human testing, I would advise against. But just like you said, if, if another country or another nation is doing it, and if they're doing it because they would like to use that technology against another nation, well, if, if they're creating, if they're creating the disease we need to create, start working on that and the antidote we need to know how to combat that should it ever be used against us in the future it's the new cold war.
Speaker 2:yes, yes, it is. Technology and science is going to be the next Cold War event. Who can build up the fastest? Have the biggest stockpile of super soldiers frozen and ready to deploy that kind of shit? Yeah Great.
Speaker 3:Great. But when you can have woolly mammoth steaks flash frozen and shipped directly to your door with your organic, how is it?
Speaker 2:organic by definition. It did not happen naturally.
Speaker 3:You know, it's going to be a GMO, it's going to be a genetically modified organism.
Speaker 2:Yeah, genetically modified mammoth. So yeah, I just I don't know. We're human beings. We're going to find a way to abuse the fuck out of this. I mean, I'm already thinking of mammoth steaks. Think about once this becomes, you know, 100 years from now, and you can buy something on Amazon that does this, and people are building these genetic devices. And now you've got private hunting reserves where people are hunting formerly extinct species. It's just, it sounds like a does just like a massive violation way to have, but I guess it's not going to be my problem.
Speaker 3:Unless they clone me and, and, and, uh, like in logan's run, uh letter k5, it'll be his problem. I haven't seen logan's run and they haven't, or blade runner or any of the movies that you oh gosh, blade runner is brilliant.
Speaker 2:Logan's run is uh-budget sci-fi movie from the 70s with Michael York. It's actually really good, but it's that era of film.
Speaker 3:So now you already listed off some of these. But just to kind of cap some of the potential pitfalls arguments against ecological risks this is, according to Grok, ecological risks and ecosystem disruption. Ethical concerns, of course, scientific credibility and lack and or lack of transparency, misallocation of resources, commercialization and profit motives, feasibility and technical challenges. And then, of course, the the rewilding challenges. I know the animals that they've currently created, the dire wolves that they currently have. They have about, I want to say, 2,000 acres up in the northern part of the United States at an undisclosed location, disclosed location. Of course they don't want to have all of these visitors coming to see chip and dale and and uh, they're the three cute little dire wolves that they. They have, but they are trying to do everything it sounded like in in the best way possible. They've invited, they got the land and they they built facility. They're working hand in hand with veterinarians and humane societies and they're I'd love to hear the humane societies take on this.
Speaker 3:Apparently they've given them the green light. All of the, all of the, the, the, the more prominent humane societies are. At the very least, they might have some of these concerns. As far as should we? And commercialization and ethics, and is it morally right and where could this lead? But as far as their treatment of the current animals that they have, that they've created, they have no problem with it.
Speaker 2:So so the uh, the humane society of the united states has not made a public statement about colossal biosciences de-extension projects. However, the american humane society, which is a separate organization, actually certified their 2 000 acre-acre preserve. Yeah, Interesting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was the one. I couldn't remember which one it was on the podcast.
Speaker 2:But then again they are saying, yes, this large area of land is a humane location for your three genetic freak wolves, not necessarily condoning the activity of creating these wolves, but if you're going to do it, yeah, this looks nice, this is a nice big area. Yeah, let them run free.
Speaker 3:And I haven't seen Get up some chickens. I haven't seen Game of Thrones Me either For the first season. I believe dire wolves are in the show.
Speaker 2:It's a fantasy.
Speaker 3:I know, but they have them in there. So I think that was one of the reasons that they decided to go with this species.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Dungeons and Dragons fantasy video games. A dire wolf is always a creature, they're everywhere, yes, so some nerd was like hail us to the dire wolf, of course.
Speaker 3:Of course, and I think he was saying uh, they went to go visit peter jackson and he had a throne. I forget where he where he got the throne from, if it was from game of thrones or if it was from ltr yeah, but uh, I guess they took the dire wolf zoo photo shoot with peter jackson in his throat and it just bought. It brought tears to his eyes. The man started crying.
Speaker 2:See, this is so when you talk about commercialization, this is where it's going to go. They're doing this so they can build exotic, extinct animal zoos. And then you can go to the uh the gift shop and get a t-shirt right on your way to your dinner reservations, where you get the amount of steaks. I'm so on this wrong. And don't you worry about Wooly while you're eating that 300 ounce steak cut, because We'll just make another one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, here's some photos of them. They did this photo shoot with them on that is the game of thrones.
Speaker 3:Uh, yeah, uh, chair, yeah I guess peter jackson's a fan and he bought. He bought the throne at auction, the throne. And I guess they were going in the, these two wolves here. They were going in for a checkup and they just happened to be in the same place, that in the area where peter jackson was like, hey, why don't you come on by? So they, they brought the whole crew, they brought all the veterinary and they brought the human society, they brought, they brought everybody with them, check them out.
Speaker 2:You know they gave them a good, you know good the reason why they went with the dire wolf and the woolly mice that, as you pointed out, they're cute. They are, you know. This, right here is what sells. Yes, they're cute. If they went, if they did like some extinct boa constrictor first, wouldn't have been successful. No, they purposely selected some, so a cute little puppy dog.
Speaker 3:Yeah, are we. We used to have this giant spider that was two feet in diameter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that would not so yeah, it's, it's the entrepreneur in this. Guy is got dollar signs in his eyes. Yeah, and it's this. Right here is calculated the selection of doing something that is is nerd fantasy centric and super cute yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, you don't become a billionaire on accident. And all those companies were sold and taken over to good companies right now and they they are using ai and every. I mean he sold an ai company pretty much. It's a huge part of what they're they're currently doing and solving problems much, much faster and making them more efficient. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dire dire wolves. I know, when the wolves got reintroduced to Yellowstone, joe Rogan commented that he wasn't such a big fan. He's like why are we bringing these man killers back? Right? But the reality is very few human beings are ever killed by wolves.
Speaker 2:Well, animals in general.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's just wolves. I maybe, maybe a handful in the last 10 years or so like they're just infrequent and infrequent at at best. It's not. It's not a real significant danger to humans.
Speaker 2:Let's ask ChatGPT how many wild animal attacks in the US have resulted in the death of a human in the last 10 years? In a 2019 study by the Utah State University, approximately 8 people die annually from direct wildlife encounters. How many eight people annually? Eight okay such as bites or attacks by animals like snakes and birds, and rodents and raccoons. People keep raccoons as pets. Are raccoons killing people?
Speaker 3:yeah, you get rabies?
Speaker 2:I guess so, but rabies is such an easy thing to treat these days.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if you get it treated.
Speaker 2:Well, I guess so.
Speaker 3:According to the Norwegian Institute for Nature Research, covering 2002 to 2020, documented 26 fatal wolf attacks worldwide, averaging 1.4 per year.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, very rare it's. One's one of those. Oh, you're that guy yeah, you shouldn't have been there and you ignored the signs and you were probably trying to take fucking selfies with it and you were unprepared and you got eaten yeah have you seen those?
Speaker 3:have you seen the yellowstone? Oh, what's called? There's an Instagram page for all of the Yellowstone idiots that just go out there trying to get a little bit too close to the wildlife and it just goes all kinds of bad for them.
Speaker 2:Don't feed the bears Jesus.
Speaker 3:What is that? It's the grand page don't feed the bears.
Speaker 2:I think we live in a world where not enough people have enough exposure to the wilderness to respect that it's the wilderness. Wild is in the name. It's dangerous. It's a dangerous place. It's not meant for you and your TikToks. Wild is in the name. It's dangerous. It's a dangerous place. It's not meant for you and your TikToks. Just saying so. If a bear smacks you oops upside your head because you wanted to get a selfie with its cub, my sympathy level is pretty low.
Speaker 3:Yeah, People are too accustomed to zoos and enclosures and seeing things up close but and having all of the danger removed and you just go. Well, you know should be fine, right, they're not doing anything right now. I'll take one more step forward. I'll take 10 more steps forward. Let me just turn my back on the animal while I get it in in my my little, you know, five or six inch screen so that I can oh, let me show it my tasty back side yeah, no, not not a good idea, but a pretty entertaining and morbid instagram.
Speaker 2:I don't find it to be either of those things. Um, all right, I'm going to get some root beer in it, some sarsaparilla. It's root beer, bro, calm down.
Speaker 3:Yes, all right, colossal. Colossal is either going to be a colossal win or it's going to be a colossal.
Speaker 2:It's going to be how we terraform Mars.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right, yeah, so I suppose interplanetary applications are not off the table. I know Elon wants us to become an interplanetary species in order to ensure the survival of mankind, and if we're going to move to Mars, we need food.
Speaker 2:Yep, and what better way to easily feed large groups of people than to bring back the woolly mammoth?
Speaker 3:Yes, so they're almost kind of treating it as Noah's Ark, right? Yeah, elon's got the Ark and let's make it big enough to put all these creatures on it and take it to the other side of the galaxy. Yeah, do it, um.
