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Who's Listening? The Vanishing Line Between Reality and AI
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Digital privacy isn't just eroding—it's being systematically dismantled by AI vulnerabilities we're only beginning to understand. The recently uncovered "zero-click" exploit in Microsoft's Copilot AI revealed how seemingly innocent emails can contain hidden instructions commanding AI systems to extract and exfiltrate sensitive data without any user interaction whatsoever. This isn't science fiction—it's happening right now.
What's truly alarming is how we've surrounded ourselves with an ever-expanding network of AI-connected surveillance devices. Your Tesla's cameras are watching every street you drive down. Those stylish Meta glasses are recording everything you see. Your smart home devices listen to your most intimate conversations. We've become the proverbial frog in slowly heating water, not realizing we're approaching a boiling point where privacy becomes impossible.
As we navigate this rapidly evolving landscape, awareness becomes our strongest defense. Establish verification protocols with loved ones that can't be easily mimicked. Limit what personal data you share online. And perhaps most importantly, maintain a healthy skepticism toward digital communications, even when they appear to come from trusted sources. The line between human and artificial is blurring faster than most realize, and our vigilance must evolve accordingly.
Episode Introduction
Speaker 1You don't gotta do it if you don't want to. You don't gotta do it if you don't want to. You don't gotta do it if you don't want to. It's just a suggestion. All right, we're back to real talk. Now Science. My turn Fucking. You know Trump's birthday tomorrow. Happy birthday, mr President, whatever so are you. Have you read, have you read about the? Uh, the zero ai of zero, click ai data leak?
Speaker 2I have not. This is some fucked up shit. Zero click yes, I don't know what zero click is.
Speaker 1It's just being invented. It's brand ass new. This article is relevant now because Microsoft just released the data on this, we know where this was all going. We know where this is taking us back in january. One of the, uh, one of the you know the, the, the, the, the pirate companies that find leaks and sell it back to the companies or whatever, not ice pirates, not the other pirates, not the reavers different pirates.
Speaker 1Yes, yes, aim labs, aim labs researchers in jan of 2025. I know about Aim Labs, yes, reported an attack, reported their attack and findings to Microsoft. So zero-click data leaks Let me see if I can find the description here. So they found a thing called an echo leak. That was an exploit in the co-host AI model of Microsoft 365.
Speaker 1Oh, okay, so what happens is they had found a way to manipulate the co-host AI by giving it instructions, but it believes it's coming from a human entity by hiding the instructions innocuously within an email. So the attack begins with a malicious email sent to the target containing text unrelated to co-pilots and formatted to look like a typical business document. The email embeds a hidden prompt injection crafted to instruct the LLM, the large language machine, to extract and exfiltrate sensitive internal data. So basically, they craft this email, send it to your fucking your outlook and co-host previews it and gets instructions to start collecting all your data, your SharePoint, all your stuff, and then you don't have to be available. This, uh, this is what I want to talk about. So, so, so. So, according to microsoft, who just releases, who just released the information I'm just thinking of tangents now the the.
Speaker 1The leak has been plugged. Sure, it has. That's what we would expect they would say, and nobody's data was compromised, and all this woo-woo-woo.
Speaker 2Don't tell us, show us. Hey, bring the code up. Right now you can bring the code up. Put it on the screen. Let's see. What was it before. What the fuck are you looking at? I want to see the. I'm imagining the screen With see what was it before. What the fuck are you looking at? I want to see the. I want to. I'm imagining the screen. We're with lines of text. We're at a keynote address. I want to see. I want to see what it was before, and then show me what it is now. And what did you correct? That's a fucking national secret right now. Well, they have a national problem you're not wrong.
Speaker 1so so now the big argument is what's the next malicious thing? Will a benevolent organization discover the next attack? Because now, as ai becomes embedded more and more into our our lives, all ai is doing currently generative AI is what we're telling it to do. Now we've got smart kids finding a way to tell it to do things that we don't want it to do. Now it's a security risk, sure is.
Meta Glasses and Privacy Risks
Speaker 2So got my first tangent for you let's go down this road. What the? So I'm gonna this isn't important to you? Yeah, it is. I'm gonna connect that. So I'm gonna connect the dots. Allow me to connect, allow me to play some. That's a dot. So I'm out and about yesterday doing some shopping. My birthday's coming up, I'm going here or there, I'm just letting whatever I feel, letting tangents take you. Yes, and it took me to the Crab Zone, a restaurant I've never been to in Stockton.
Speaker 1Oh is this the one you were talking about? No, no, this isn't the one that you were. Like we should go here. Oh, the food's okay.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, this is not that. This is a place I just ended up in. Basically, I needed to use a restroom and this place also intrigued me. I'd driven by it countless times, always thought about stopping in. At the time my family didn't really like seafood Now they do so I was like, oh, let me stop in, let me check them out. Went in there, I just really wanted to use the restroom. It's like, okay, I'll order a drink. I went, uh, they, they had a five dollar margarita, but with soju.
Speaker 1Oh, it doesn't have a full liquor license no, not a full liquor liquor license.
Speaker 2Uh, beer wine. So, um, the wonderful bartender slash owner mixed up a drink. I'm sitting at the bar with another guy and we struck up a conversation. He actually I told him it's my first time he's like oh, it's your first time. This place is awesome. He's talking to him popping your crab shack, cherry, yeah, and he bought me my drink. He's like, hey, his drink, put him, put on mine. We start talking. He, okay, so this is a uh, middle-aged, what I thought was a middle-aged bro. You're middle-aged. I know you're actually post middle age. He's about my age, okay, we're about the same age and, uh, but he's slightly older than me. Uh, a black gentleman, uh, dressed in a suit. Uh, french, french french cuffs.
Speaker 1And this is on a tuesday, or what thursday, just in the middle of the day.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, uh, that's crisp cufflinks fine timepiece on he also. And then he had, I noticed, the ray-ban metaglasses on. Oh jesus fucking christ.
Speaker 1What, how, what is it okay?
Speaker 2I'm starting to see we're coming, we're coming back around.
Speaker 1They're not fully developed yet, but the dots are there so we're enjoying some conversation.
Speaker 2I'm asking him about his watch. He's he's being kind of vague about his work. He went up to sacramento for, uh, a talk, like okay, what is a spook? And I was like all right, and but he wouldn't say what about he's like? I said he sits on a board and it's like okay, or he's a spook, and I was like all right, but he wouldn't say what about he's like? I said he sits on a board and I was like okay, so you had to go to a boring board meeting. He didn't allow like I was giving him opportunities to tell me about what he wanted to do and he was choosing not to, for whatever reason. I left it alone.
Speaker 2But I did a comment. I was like hey, I was just looking at those glasses yesterday. How do you like him? He's like you know what? Man? Try these, try these. Yes, he, he. He insisted you got to try the meta ai glasses. Yeah, so I, I had him on my face. He's like it's gonna look weird with my prescription. He's got him in. He, he loves him so much he bought all three. I learned so much about this guy. He had been there a while and just the the owner was just soju was making coming in.
Speaker 2The owner was just pouring wine and he was enjoying life. His takeout order was already ready to go and I had been there half an hour 45 minutes and he had been there far longer. When I got there he should have just the food was there. Yeah, maybe he was taken into somebody, I guess, and eventually, yeah. So he's like try these. And he gets on his phone. He's playing music. I'm hearing music clear as day. I was. He's like ask a ask. Meta question hey, meta, what are you looking at? And meta gave me a full description of what was in front of me and told me the weather the next day and they were lighter than I thought they were going to be. But I was thinking it's like that. Ai is just walking around on people's faces with cameras and the ability to record and it's linked to all of your accounts and what you are looking at, where you're going.
Data Collection Everywhere
Speaker 1All of that data is just available to be pulled, hacked, retrieved. Think about it Like and this is great. I mean, it's a perfect example. I'm glad you actually connected this dot. I wasn't expecting this. I know you weren't. I wasn't expecting it to be successful. So, yes, this guy's glasses are walking around just capturing data. But now expand that. How many people have mana glasses?
Speaker 2We're not sponsored by Facebook, by the way I'm going to find out You're going to.
Speaker 1It was rhetorical we don't need to find out, can I just Keep going? So how many people have meta glasses to where they're looking? Everywhere they're looking is capturing data. It's not a significant number. But now, how many people have Teslas where they have 360 degree cameras? 2 million, that's nothing. So 360 degrees worth of cameras that are capturing data and sending it back everywhere you drive. Where are these Teslas going? How many people have Teslas, Sorry.
Speaker 22 million in 2023, 1 million in 2024, this year still. So it's catching on it's catching on.
Speaker 1But it's not just these glasses. I mean, the Teslas are sending capturable, recordable data back to the home base. What are they seeing, and at what point does AI have access to all this stuff so they can sift through all these you know pedoflops of data, going to be able to get access to that data and be like? You know what I really want to know about this secret base that the, the, the, the, the the person who shouldn't be driving a tesla is driving a tesla so.
Speaker 2So, society, people, our culture, we're the frog in the water that's heating up slowly, that's all it is. It's we're getting up to this point. We're going to come to a boil eventually. What? What happened? We had? We had self, we had the iphone, and then we had the. The iphone and what was? Cameras abilities again. And then we have ring cameras, ring doorbell cameras. We've got cameras on our, in our cars. You've got to. Basically wherever I go, I just assume I'm being recorded and my actions are being documented, and if and if you live your life that way, I mean you're living a normal vanilla life and it's fine, you're not doing anything untowards.
Speaker 1You know some, some random car passing by is not going to capture you killing somebody, you're not concerned. You're not concerned about that. But there is the cat people. But you know, there are places all over the world where we should not, or the general public and definitely other countries should not, know what's going on. And now we've got some serious concerns. Maybe we can capture and encrypt and house that data, but now ai is leaving this, this, this back door potential for other, for nefarious intenders to access this data.
Speaker 2So so there was already a problem. Microsoft. This is like their second problem that they've had recently with their Let me go back here to their leak. Okay so with the 360, there was oh, what's their? The Copilot. Okay so the Copilot, this is what we're talking about.
Speaker 1Are you fucking listening to me right now?
Speaker 2I know Copilot is the core of our argument. I know, yes. No, I'm aware. Allow me to make another tangent and connect another dot.
Speaker 1About how you weren't listening when I was talking about Copilot.
Speaker 2I was focused on 360.
Speaker 1Okay, I didn't realize 360 and Copilot the Xbox 360?.
Speaker 2It says Ames Lab and Microsoft 360 Copilot. Is Microsoft 360 Copilot? Is that?
Speaker 1how it's all wrapped up in about the same thing. Yeah, okay, it's 365.
Speaker 2So they, yes, they had, they had a problem that was brought to their attention. Oh, this last year, yeah, or something like that. I'll just look it up. But all of one's searches were being documented and recorded and sent. So Microsoft, it would capture everything. And people were like why is it capturing stuff? I don't want to. I didn't ask you to do that.
Speaker 1So hey, just so we're clear, everybody Microsoft.
Speaker 2Oh, we're back to the Santo Fino. Just so we're clear everybody we're back to the Microsoft. Oh, we're back to the Santa Fino.
Speaker 1Just so we're clear everybody Microsoft knows what your OnlyFans preferences are. Can't escape it.
Speaker 2If you have no preferences, then it doesn't know.
Speaker 1No, it knows. You have no preferences, so yes, thank you.
Speaker 2There are always going to be problems.
Speaker 1There are always going to be problems, always going to be problems. But that's the thing. At what point is there a problem that we don't find out soon enough, and how long does it go where somebody is able to manipulate that? Um, and what's the phrase they use? Weaponizable flaws.
Speaker 2Weaponizable flaws. Yes, it's going to happen. We knew all of this was possible before we stuck a toe in the water.
Speaker 1We knew, we knew, we knew that we were building Skynet.
Speaker 2And what year is Skynet come out? 2029?.
Speaker 1It just happened. No, it just happened?
Speaker 2Oh, really yeah.
When AI Becomes Indistinguishable
Speaker 1Yeah, it was. It was, it was pretty recent. What about in Terminator 2? Yeah, what was the date Skynet was launched? When we think of it? Okay, it became aware. So, yes, in Terminator 3, when they changed the date, it was 2004,. But yeah, in Genesis, they moved it to 2017. So, yeah, we're not there, we're nowhere near. So here's the deal. Gosh darn it, come on, kate, what the hell? So here's the thing about Microsoft's co-pilot. I'm reading this article. You know this article that I read all about this on All right, all right. So I asked Chatty so I'm discussing this with ChatGPT this morning, actually and I say to Chatty, quote oh my, I'm reading this article and it says the Copilot program that was subject to the leak is based on you, do you feel safe? Ask ChatGPT if it feels safe. And it said oh wow, you're really coming at me with the existential questions today.
Speaker 1And so, yes, that's crazy. So ChatGPT gets really deep into it where it says technically how it doesn't have access to my files, email, calendar and private data unless I explicitly share it. So it's not plugged into me. My copilot would be in Office 365. But if it were set up like Copilot, hooked into the enterprise tools that manage my computer, then yeah, chat GPT says, yeah, I'd be pretty nervous. Well, there we go. So even AI is worried about its own inability to protect me from itself.
Speaker 2It's concerning yes, so I don't know If you are.
Speaker 1It also says its final statement is how do we build AI that understands its limits and not just language? And then it says cue the dramatic dun-dun-dun. And that's like chewing that for a while, because it's constantly trying to help me fuck with you.
Speaker 3Yes, so good.
Speaker 2Our information is out there. An effort to recover it is. It's an impossible endeavor. You're not going to be able to. So if you put it out there, your keystrokes, whatever you're typing I almost forgot oh, I almost forgot what.
Speaker 1Oh, I have to. Uh, I'm sorry I have there it is I forgot.
Speaker 2I'm gonna get you birthday present. We're gonna set up right there.
Speaker 1It's gonna have all of your favorites I only need the one, and I already have access to it.
Speaker 2Oh no, but you'll have options. The, the person who didn't want to dip his toe into sound effects and yeah, I, they could.
Speaker 2They could get obnoxious oh, they certainly can't be. But ai, yes, leaking all this stuff? Yeah, you have it, it's in the people like to think, oh, it's in the cloud. Where's the cloud? The cloud is a physical space somewhere. Yeah, the cloud is connected to wires and cables and power supplies somewhere in a room that gets really hot and they have to keep really cool. Or none of your stuff works that you want to work, like the glasses I had on at the crab zone playing with meta. Yeah, right, none of that stuff works if that room in that place somewhere doesn't. And all of that is available to either be hacked remotely or to somebody. If they really wanted to go there and take the stuff physically, they could do that too.
Speaker 1I have a new question, though. At what point do we no longer know that this is even possible with AI? Will there be a transition that just happens immediately, or over such a short period of time that we don't realize it, that we can't tell the difference between being manipulated by AI, or even AI's incursion into the real world, or not?
Speaker 2Hmm, I think people should be. I have an example I want to present to you, maybe somebody who isn't well-versed, all right, so you and I we're texting back and forth. We're texting back and forth If your particular choice of words or tone or approach, or could be the length of your messages, if that changes, I'm going to notice. Yeah, so I might question. Ok, so I might question your state. Yeah, and if it got, even if it went on longer, I might, even I might even question whether or not it's truly you.
Speaker 1But at what point can I manipulate that and what period of time would it take for AI to manipulate and understand how I talk to you and manipulate it to where then they can start to change those behaviors and you won't perceive the difference? Can start to change those behaviors and and you won't perceive the difference. So here's, here's, here's, here's, here's what, and so and this is just you and me, we, we know each other. That's. That's a good example, but now I'm talking about just encountering the world. Where does the line drawn between reality and ai generated fiction? So check this out. Josh Roberts, whom we both know and love, is that him? No, immediately, my argument. So this is only a minute long. I'm going to show you this. He made this with AI. It's a completely 100% AI-driven comedy short that he produced.
AI Voice Scams and Vulnerabilities
Speaker 3Yo, woo. What is up? Universe? It's your boy, adam Just got created, feeling pretty. Woo. What is up? Universe? It's your boy, adam Just got created, feeling pretty good. Not gonna lie, I'm in a garden, it's pretty dope. Let's have a look around. So quick update. It's been a few hours and I've been kind of lonely so I asked the big guy for a friend. He said it may hurt. Not sure what that means, but shout out to him, made my friend out of my rib, not really what I was expecting, kind of a weird flex. But okay, sup fam. This is my new friend, eve. She cost me a rib, but I mean at least she's hot man, having a friend is awesome. So many activities. No, no, no, eve don't eat that. So Eve got us kicked out. Thanks a no, eve don't eat that. So Eve got us kicked out. Thanks a lot, eve. My friend is getting fat in the belly area. I don't like that at all. It sucks out here. I want to go back. Eve is such a bitch.
Speaker 1So, so so that's good, but the guy kept changing yeah so so currently and josh mentions that in his comments about the thing he made it's hard to get consistency with the characters, but those individual characters some of them are really hard to tell they're not real people I look for fingers and hair.
Speaker 1Yeah, and that's the, the finer digits and that's today, on friday, the 13th in june in 2025. What happens in october? How fast are we going to no longer be able to tell a difference? Because he did that with a fucking program. He said v what VO3, I think he said he used it's insane, that is pretty good, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1And so my ultimate question and argument is we're at a point where we're already having trouble discerning fiction from reality, and now we've got a nefarious intender who's going to come here and they're going to manipulate something that we're seeing and make changes to it to where we can't tell the difference. But now it's.
Speaker 2Yes, so, for example, I'm taking another trip to Laughlin and what's our? I don't know. I'll tell you In.
Speaker 1Super July.
Speaker 2Yeah, we have the safe words that I shouldn't know if I I'll tell you in super July. Oh yeah, we have. Uh, we have the. We have the safe words that I shouldn't share to everyone, just in case.
Speaker 1Don't know, because AI will figure it out.
Speaker 2But I remember, and suddenly I'm sending you all of my money. I was at, I was at the bar there and I asked the bartender for a recommendation and they took a bottle off of the the shelf and they poured me some and I was like, oh, that's really good. Can I see? He's like, oh yeah, that's a really cool bottle. Take a look. I spun it around, looked at the back and that that code word, that safe word, was on the back of the bottle. It was, it was great. But okay, so let's say I'm not telling you what the safe word is I'm, I'm, I'm going as you.
Speaker 1what the safe word is? I'm going. It's for when Sight gets kidnapped because he's taking free flights to Laughlin.
Speaker 2If AI can, and at this point I mean we're. What episode is this? We're past 50. Okay, there's enough content. This is 52. Available on the internet right now to completely replicate my inflection, my prosody, my tone of voice, the sound waves can be matched. There's enough words that I have spoken to build that, in fact, far more there's. There's so much. A great model of my voice can be made and somebody could use that to call you and go hey, I'm locked up. My bond is this and can you pay, and will you? And you know what? I'll see where it goes. I would.
Speaker 1So my question is going to be does AI currently have the capacity for your ability to tangent? That's how I would test it.
Speaker 2Only humans can do that.
Speaker 1Only humans can tangent and only superhumans like Psyche can tangent at such a ridiculous capacity. No computer on the planet could do that you just brought up.
Speaker 2hey, we might not be able to tell what's real and what's not. And okay, on this trip, right, somebody builds a model. Somebody has a famous person's itinerary, right, they know they're traveling and they figure out. Hey, I'm just going to give their loved ones a call and ask for money. Right, somebody's taking a trip to France and somebody builds a model of your voice and or, I'm sorry, their voice. You have a sister going to France for the summer and somebody builds an AI model of their voice and that voice calls you and you pick up. Your sister calls. They're in need, They've been arrested, or they're being detained at the embassy, or they lost their passport and their ID and they need $5,000 in a hurry, or $20,000 to avoid all legal fees or so on and so forth, and they're in a bind, or their car broke down. They need another car, stat, so they can drive from the country that they're in to the country where they need to be so that they can catch their flight.
Personal Stories and Security Concerns
Speaker 2All of these are possible, and the words that I just spent talking about all of these scenarios could potentially put me at risk for somebody building a model of my voice and using it against me in the future. I think it's scary to think about, but we all knew it was happening. We knew this was going to be possible. We've known this for years and we've used these AI generated voices and images and videos as entertainment and allowed them to improve their models to the point where now we're frightened by them. Sometimes our toys are a little scary, and when you're big kids, you play with big toys, and those definitely have the potential to scare and drive up one's adrenaline, and maybe that's what we're looking for a little bit. A little bit of adrenaline, a little bit of extra fun, a little bit of something that's going to turn your hair a little gray or white I held on to that one way too long, oh my gosh I have just supplied ai with three or four tangents and maybe about a thousand words, so I'm at greater risk now from AI.
Speaker 1And I fucked up and I said that I would use your ability to tangent as a barometer for your reality. I'm going to end up sending you money into Iwana because you got arrested for engaging in tequila and prostitution and I'll have no idea.
Speaker 2I have no idea it sounds like I had a great time and yeah I'll make it plausible so I did go to tijuana once for spring break.
Speaker 1Yes, you've told me this story.
Speaker 2I never, never, I've never left the country tijuana, two of my friends we uh had a motel that was just like. I mean, college students right run by I don't know a slumlord or somebody, just they didn't charge us anything. Three of us are like I think I slept on the floor, so it was a free hostel in tijuana.
Speaker 2No, that was san diego. We were in san diego, we stayed in san diego and then we we walked across the border and then we got a taxi from there and this was pre-9-11, so you didn't need a passport or anything, it just had an ID. And we walked in and walked across, got a taxi hey, take us somewhere fun. And the guy did. And we just bar hopped after that and some of these bars are just up there, two or three stories like the clubs to get up to them. And we're going, we're going hard.
Speaker 2And we went at one and we ordered three drinks, but it was two for one ladies night and we had a lady with us, so they brought us six drinks. And then at the next bar was, it was a bucket of beers, but they might as well have just given us a bottle of tequila, because their shots were not our shots over here, it's just they were. Yeah, it was just all. It was a lot. And after two or three clubs, we were ready to go and definitely my friends, and they're like hey, take us home. Okay, I was the youngest among us and the most sober at the time, was in charge and we got back into a taxi and somehow we survived because I'm still here and we made it back. But that could I mean my friend could have been, you know, trafficked or you know, we could have been just like shaken down.
Speaker 1Nowadays I wouldn't even consider attempting something like that.
Speaker 2No, no, no, no, when I reflect upon what we did at that time. At that time it was possible, at that time it happened and it was almost commonplace, right? If you go to school at a university in Southern California and you are in that close proximity to everything that's being available and promoted and advertised to the youth or the next generation of our country, yeah, it worked out and worked out for me, but no, I would not recommend that to, to to my boys. Like, hey, why don't you, mom and I, we're gonna go to the yard house in san diego, and why don't you boys just go have a good time in tijuana? We'll pick you up later we'll pick you up later that's like.
Speaker 1That's like hey in rito. Hey, mom, mom and dad are gonna go gambling. Here's a hundred dollars, our kids over there, we'll pick you up later. That's not the same, no, and now it's made even worse because of ai.
Speaker 2Uh, yeah, a ai has. It's confusing people, so we we also have to consider people. The state that people it's got the message has to hit right if you really want to. So I I got another one of those you know, random text messages that I get we all get them.
Speaker 2You're the only person who decides to engage because I'm on their list, yeah, and I want to be on their list because I'm just wasting their time. And it was a job opportunity and I got what it was. Uh, can I send you the details? And I sort of I mean, I knew this wasn't a real thing. I was like I'm only gonna, I'm only willing if it's, if it's a ten thousand dollar signing bonus and 150 dollars an hour, and if they had countered it, then I was going to let them know that I had my. You know, I shared my uh, share this information with my current employer and they have. They have bumped me up to here and so now it's going to take at least you know the game was never going to end. I need documentation. So, uh, that that ended.
The Future of AI Manipulation
Speaker 2But the message has to hit the right person at the right time and you have to have some sort of assurance of the state. You have to be relatively confident in the state that they are in when they are receiving the message. I mean, if AI is looking at any of this, they're going to know. Right, if somebody is consuming a bunch of alcohol at six o'clock on a friday and they do that habitually, well, guess what, if you want to take advantage of somebody's inhibitions, then your message should probably be delivered to them in that state on a friday. So, okay, let's find out who's traveling where that is close to them on a friday at about six, wherever they are. Okay, well, there are this many time zones away and we have to figure that out, and there's AI that can run those algorithms.
Speaker 1But now we're talking about parsing metadata, which AI can obviously do a lot faster than a human being yes, but AI doesn't have a motivation to do that all by itself.
Speaker 2It's going to be a tool that's used by a human being, so it's going to be somebody you know, most likely. So if AI is targeting you, or if you think AI is targeting you, then you should probably ask who do you know that has something in for you? Why does it have?
Speaker 1to be somebody that you know. At what point do we reach where now? I mean your Google Home is listening to everything we say. My Siri listens to everything that me and my wife say. Can they capture that data and infer things like what my drinking habits are and when the best time of the day?
Speaker 2is so I guess at the very least they have to be in close enough proximity to you. I don't think so. I mean, does somebody have this in, don't know, south africa, but they have access.
Speaker 1That's the point of that's the point of my argument is. That is that these, these ai tools are helping us, but they're also creating vulnerabilities. So there's somebody in south africa trying to find a way to capture your data of us talking right now through Google Home and to manipulate that data.
Speaker 2Sorry, south Africa, it's probably Nigeria. I misspoke.
Speaker 1I would almost immediately assume it's something like you know we'll go with Nigeria.
Speaker 2No, it's usually Nigeria.
Speaker 1But yes, it doesn't. So, um, but yes, you know it doesn't have to be somebody. You know it doesn't have to be somebody you've met there's not to be somebody that lives on this continent, because they're the ones that are trying to get everyone's data.
Speaker 2Okay, so the reason the text message failed and if I can provide some information to someone who was attempting to extract anything from me if they just know my name, I ask them what my name was. Yeah, they didn't even know who I was. Yeah, so you've sought me out. You're recruiting me. You're actively recruiting me. You have details?
Speaker 1Our HR department has determined that you are a crime candidate.
Speaker 2What's my's my name say my name.
Speaker 1Say my name. You can't say my name I don't want your job. She sings country now no, she did that once and that's going away, but she won an award he did win one award at the country and the awards and the and the. What? What is her fans called the the bee stingers, or you're with me on this tangent? They were mad that she went. All the awards, they protested, they protested the country music awards I can't watch that channel anyway.
Speaker 2I don't know.
Speaker 1I don't even know it's the thing.
Speaker 2Uh bet they protested. Black entertainment television did they protest.
Speaker 1I don't think they're just a machine like anyone else.
Speaker 2I mean, if we're going to have black entertainment television, then I want korean entertainment television and I want german entertainment television.
Speaker 1So they have those they're in korea and germany respectively I know why don't we have them all here?
Speaker 2because not enough. I mean, I guess we should have access. You've got a VPN you can put out there and you can expose yourself more to AI, yeah, or protect yourself from it. Get a VPN, all right. I had one for a while. What was I using Prompto? I mean you use one all the time for work, so you know, yeah, but that's something I can't tell you about.
Speaker 1I'm not asking.
