Fallen Angels : Watchers and Willing Ones (Part 2 of 2)

S2 Ep 30 Part 2 Fallen Angels

In this episode, Tava Baird and Jennifer Taylor continue their conversation with the Seraphim Samael. They explore the profound sacrifices and the roles angels embrace, especially regarding 'The Fall'. They delve into the true meaning of judgment, the misconceptions surrounding divine figures, and the intrinsic connection between humanity and nature. By examining Samael's experiences and the broader angelic realm, listeners gain a deeper understanding of love, sacrifice, and the ongoing relationship between the divine and the mortal worlds.

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S2 Ep 30 Part 2 Fallen Angels

Tava Baird: [00:00:00] Hello.

This is part two of Fallen Angels.

Jennifer Taylor: Hello, Tava Baird. I'm so excited for us to continue this conversation and find out what, Samuel might have to say about the questions that I posed last week. Yes. And so as opposed to our regular opening song, I will go ahead and sing the song for Sam and see if we can get some more information and, clarity on what it is that he experienced when he chose to fall and come down, to be a little closer to us and what was behind the, decisions to do that.

And also perhaps what was happening as far as the great expansion or the large holy act that was happening that required a [00:01:00] balancing of that energy. 

Tava Baird: Right. So, let's see what he has to say today. hopefully he'll answer our question on it and not just go make a sandwich, but, we'll see. 

Jennifer Taylor: I'm sure he will give us something really good, even if it is not an answer to that question, which I completely understand.

If it's just beyond our level of comprehension, if it'd be like trying to explain calculus to a 2-year-old, I imagine that he will have something else Yes. Really helpful for us. If not, I'm sure he'll have 

Tava Baird: something else to say other than just later Umshallah, which I get a or that will come and I'm like, I want to come now.

Jennifer Taylor: Isn't it funny that we kept talking about the him bringing in all kinds of information and being like, wait, wait, wait, I have too much. I need a break. And then the other side of that is, you asking for things and him saying That will come later. Wait. And so it's funny that there's the balancing and that part of the relationship too, of there's the things that you really wanna know now that he's like, no, that will [00:02:00] come,later.

And then he has all this stuff he wants to tell you now and you're like, I just need a break. It's too much

Tava Baird: the relationship with the angels. Alright. 

Jennifer Taylor: Okay, I'm going to go ahead and sing , over[00:03:00] [00:04:00] [00:05:00] [00:06:00]

Tava Baird: Okay, 

here we go. Alright. So, 

the questions that we were talking about at the very end of the last episode were about this idea that Samuel's homesick and, how could he be homesick if he goes anywhere he wants which is what we've always assumed about him. And then we also wanted to know when he was talking about the fall, what event necessitated angel's falling.

And this is what he has to say. I said, will you talk more about the fall? Are you part of the whole, like is he part of that remembering state still, or is he somewhere else? And he says, I am a traveler in shaah, a traveler, unlike many travelers, I maintain a connection and constant anticipation of returning, yet I am [00:07:00] not in that state.

Now. I communicate with all. I carry messages. I divide my time between many realities, many stories. I visit with my Lilith and see my brothers and sisters in passing. I expand and contract. I send my influence and I think often of rest at home. I return at times, but my work is not there. And it's, so now he's gonna start going into the event, but sort of like a traveling salesman, I guess.

You know, you get home you do your laundry, you make sure the goldfish is fed and that someone's coming by to, you know, change the water and, and uh, you know, turn the lights off and on, and you pick up your stuff and you head back out. And so he's moving [00:08:00] all the time and he's calling them up and saying, Hey, could you pick up the mail?

he's in communication with them. He's hearing them. There's no break in the ability to communicate , but he is moving all the time. He's not in that constant, just blissful state of. I'm here and I'm part of the collective whole, and I'm just looking in on the universe and floating along on song and everything is groovy 

It sounds like there's tremendous effort on his part. And regarding what we call "The Fall" He said an expansion was needed before the fall. An expansion and an adjustment in many places. A new gate to be opened. Metatron's pattern multiplied, and it was good. So there's, we have an event of a new area, a new Divine space. A new World. I'm not [00:09:00] exactly sure.

Something though that came out of Metatron's pattern multiplied. And something needed to change. An expansion, he said. But movement was necessary, a gathering of energies for a new place to be sung. So they were going to sing, the Divine was going to sing a new place to expand into, but it required energy to do it.

So he said. And so those of us who were strong and could provide momentum, organized ourselves. If enough of us moved, we could provide what was needed. Michael kissed us and wished us well and grew his sword. Those of us who already studied [00:10:00] in this realm set our constant connection aside. So that state of being in constant connection with the whole, where you're blissful, your consciousness is part of everybody all the time and you are in a state of complete remembering and you can be as joined as you want to be.

That being able to be part of that and actually move outside of it to enact change elsewhere, they broke that off. They had to sever that. And then he says, the trumpet sounded, the door was cut and we fell. 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh, it almost sounds like, 'cause he was saying there was a tremendous amount of energy that was needed.

And this is probably a terrible analogy, but It's the thing that keeps coming into my mind is like the idea [00:11:00] of people out in space. And in order for something to go on, yes. It's like that certain, like a group of people are like, here, we're gonna give you all our jet packs and we are going to fall and the, with the additional momentum of all of our jet packs, you'll be able to, move into that area, get through the, the atmosphere, intothat other place and we will stay behind.

in this case falling and going somewhere else, it's like by giving up what they gave up, it provided the extra energy, the extra momentum that was needed to fuel the project. It's like when you watch,one of these space, movies that are totally improbable and somebody sacrifices themself and the for the good of the mission and 

For everybody else to be able to continue or something to happen. 

Tava Baird: What was interesting to me is that Michael's cutting this gate. Michael kissed us and wished us well and [00:12:00] drew his sword. 

Jennifer Taylor: And the trumpet Isn't the trumpet, Gabriel?

Tava Baird: Oh my god, you're right. It's Gabriel.

Jennifer Taylor: So 

Gabriel sounded the trumpet, which is sound. And between the sound. And his sword, which we know is a gift from Metatron. 

Tava Baird: Yep. 

Jennifer Taylor: The gate was, the door was cut. The door was cut, and so that, that space was opened. And how interesting that the three of them are working together 

To bring about balance and healing that which isn't the highest good. You know, the three of them are working now with us, with the power of story and creating the temple of Song and all of these different things that are happening and creating in these other realms. it's amazing to me the idea that those three were working together to create this, to allow that to happen.

Tava Baird: it also brings this whole new dimension to, if [00:13:00] you look back at like old stories, is it Michael that's supposed to be the protector of Jerusalem and,Sam ael is a representative of Rome. Like they're always set up as being opposites. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. There's always this juxtaposition.

There's 

Tava Baird: always this opposite thing. And it sounds like they're working from separate places. So you're seeing this same thing. Michael's pushing forward and Sam May's going back,he's losing, That connection. and I'm wondering if that also feeds into this idea that we have of, angels that fell and then they became somehow less than, you know, like Yes.

And they being at 

Jennifer Taylor: odds thing, like there were originally you had read all this stuff about how Samuel and Michael were supposedly enemies against each other. And the other thing that's hitting me too is that, Samuel talked, and I don't [00:14:00] remember if it was on the podcast or not about, I think it was when he was talking about Michael and the things that they have to do in service to the greater whole andthe sorrow and pain or sadness that comes along with that.

And I really couldn't get a good understanding of what kinds of things he was talking about. But when you think about it, this is totally that kind of thing. So Michael used his sword and had to,cut this thing to, to precipitate this fall that he knew was going to cause a degree of separation between him and his brothers, and would also then cut away.

These certain aspects of Samael and his other brothers,who fell. And that had to be an incredibly difficult thing to do, you know, to be the person who has to cut that bungee cord and let the [00:15:00] person fall. Yeah. You knowing that it's the right thing to do, knowing that it's in the highest good, understanding that, but having to be the one to do it Right.

I can't imagine, and this resonates for me with what Samuel was talking about he and Michael understanding each other kind of in an additional way with the things that they are called to do and how hard it is to do them sometimes. Right. And the longing and the sorrows and the things that come with that Right.

This seems to certainly line up with what the kinds of things he was talking about. 

Tava Baird: all I can think about is we didn't know this, and I'm now thinking about all the different times when Michael and Samuel have encountered each other when we are around.

Like from that very first time when Michael showed up while we were on the podcast and there was Samuel saying, hello Michael. we had no idea of the. [00:16:00] The subtext of all of the things that they must know about each other. And, think about this as, they're sitting down.

I mean like, I'm trying not to think of it as like a board meeting or something, but imagine them going, we need to go here. We need to create a new energetic space. It is necessary for the collective good. It is the next step, perhaps. he does talk about all of these souls in this remembering state moving forward somewhere.

So maybe it was even the next step on this journey and this new area needs to be cut and Michael's going, we've gotta move energies around to make this happen. How are we going to do this? We need some angels to shift their roles, shift their connection, perhaps, reframe what they do and, them [00:17:00] sitting down and trying to figure out who is going to basically sacrifice being able to be part of the collective all the time to still be in a remembering state, 

You know, Sam Aurelius, he's a traveler, he's a bridge between us here and that remembering state and Israel is that too, where he's supposed to be an angel of death. that's his role is he's in more than one place.

He's not in that constant state. And so I think he recognizes the pain that we feel and the longing for home because although he can access it more readily and talk to them, he's not always there, which is where all of us want to be at our core. And so now I'm just thinking of every time he's talked about Michael.

we talked about embracing my brother, or I will go speak with my brother. Or when we suddenly start [00:18:00] to hear one of the angels talking to us, you know, when Gabriel first appeared, what it must be like for him to be like, we're working in the same area right now. Or, oh my gosh, she can hear you.

there has to be a tremendous amount of emotion there, I would think. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. It's like they've been assigned to the same project, it's like people that travel for the same company, but they're usually in opposite parts of the globe. 

We're all gonna be, in Paris at the same time. Yes. another thing that hit me when we were talking about, that decision and what transpired for in order for that fall to happen and that Sam was talking about that Michael is the judgment of God.

And when you think about it, Michael being at the center of that would make sense. It's like God's judgment, understanding that God is judging that this needs to happen. Basically as discerning is saying, this needs to happen. And, [00:19:00] Michael's job maybe being part of that deciding.

this is something that needs to come through. this is the decision, this is what we need to do. I kept thinking about that as you were talking about, the board meeting and Michael being the one to say, Hey, we need to rearrange some energies.

We need to do this. This needs to be done, even though it's gonna be hard, falls perfectly in line with the idea of Michael as the judgment of God. 

Tava Baird: and also that how, how we as humans go for a different idea of judgment. we think of a judge as,you can go free or you will be punished.

we put that layer of punishment on it. if we were looking at this story through that lens, instead of thinking of judgment as I'm making the wise decision, which is what Michael was actually doing 

Jennifer Taylor: right? Making good judgment, 

Tava Baird: exercising good judgment, he's using good judgment via, it wasn't, 

Jennifer Taylor: you 

Tava Baird: were judged.

[00:20:00] I'm going to judge you and you are being picked out and you are going to fall and you are being punished. You are being separated because you did something bad. Instead, it's, I'm going to use my wise judgment. We need this. There needs to be a movement of energy in the opposite direction. You won't have the same connection you once did.

It's a tremendous sacrifice. you're gonna go walk among the embodied without being embodied yourself, as part of your job. I mean, how hard must that be? we talk all the time about when ghosts are freaked out and they suddenly find themselves out of a body and people can't hear them and people can't see them, and they're trying to get someone to acknowledge their presence.

Imagine if you are trying to do that, but you have tremendous [00:21:00] universal responsibilities on top of it, and you're trying to get some completely oblivious, 51-year-old witch in Round Hill, Virginia to like, just wake up and write something down. you've been trying for four lifetimes to get her to hear you again.

the patients involved here, just must be incredible. So, there's that sacrifice there. And yeah, and this reframes the whole story. It reframes it from an OR standpoint. There are those who were worthy and those who were not, and those who were not, who went against judgment.

They didn't go against judgment. Yes. They were harm against, yes. The judgment 

Jennifer Taylor: of God caused that. it makes so much sensethe misinterpretations of that. Yes. if we were to just write it down right now and people didn't get what we meant by judgment of God and and the fall and all of that stuff, it makes total [00:22:00] sense why it would've been portrayed in the way that we normally would think of judgment and falling and all of these things.

And 

Tava Baird: it also lets us see why he's always so vehement. about, championing the demonized, you know? Yeah. he's literally like, I did nothing wrong. I made a sacrifice. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And 

Tava Baird: I get called the king of demons in not a good way. Yeah. It's like,

Jennifer Taylor: I did this noble self-sacrificing this huge ultimate act of love and giving.

And then, for thousands of years everybody calls me something. Terrible and says that how I failed and I'm being punished. And it's like people, I can't even imagine how frustrating that would be. it would take an angel to be able to Yes. Go. Yes. All right, I get it. You know, you don't understand.

I love you anyway, and I'm still gonna help you even though you're so, so misguided and vilifying me for, [00:23:00]something really good that I did on your behalf, 

Tava Baird: you know? Right. 

this reframes, Lilith, This refames our concept of hell, perhaps as well. . He said, those of us who already studied in this realm set our constant connection aside. So he'd been here before, 

Jennifer Taylor: right? It's like he was already working with, like, he knew this realm

it's like, okay, the people that are already skilled in this area, you've already been to that land. You speak the language, you know the ways there, you got, 

Tava Baird: you gotta go. And, visiting somewhere is different from Like suddenly the most of your existence is going to be there. That's a huge shift.

It's like the difference between going on a two week vacation in France and suddenly becoming an exchange student for three years. it's a big shift. and a shift away from a constant state of connection, love, and remembering. [00:24:00] he remembers that that connection isn't there.

He is no longer in a state of just having it flow straight through. this makes me want to look back at all those old stories about the fall and go. Our idea of judgment seems to be off. Our idea of, rebellion against God seems to be way off. 

it's just, it's a whole new way of seeing it. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. 

Tava Baird: Yeah. And back, at the beginning when I said, are you an angel? Are you a demon? He said, It depends who's telling my story.

Now I can see the uninformed are going to clearly put him in one camp, you know, or the other. Yeah. But the thing is, he's both, he's an angel who walks here and understands what it is to be cast out and demonized because that's been put on him, even though that's not what happened to him. [00:25:00] He's framed that way, and so he really wants to champion those who feel separated from being, from finding home because he knows the pain of that.

So, yeah. That's a lot. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. Boy, that's, well, I thank you, Samuel, for making the sacrifice that you made and for doing that and continuing to love us, even us being humans, even when so many of us, have. Viewed you and perpetrated things, against you and not recognized who you are.

I just have to say thank you for, for all that you've done, and on behalf of everyone who listens and benefits every week from your wisdom and your love and your compassion and your willingness to, work with [00:26:00] us very imperfect humans who so often misunderstand your messages or don't hear them or whatever it is.

Just thank you, thank you, thank you. 

Tava Baird: he's constantly reinforcing for us, you are a divine being. You're a divine soul in a non remembering state in a body. And I am always just like, oh, he is trying to make us feel better. No, he's like, you are part of us.

You're part of the collective. You stepped out and sacrificed like I did, and now it's a different state and a different circumstance in a different way. you all are kin to me, not somebody that I'm just ministering to. You all made sacrifices to be here too. And it just puts so much more power for me behind his words.

He's not just trying to help me get over an inferiority complex. He's literally knocking on my skull going, we [00:27:00]were once one together, somewhere you made a choice to come here and learn and try to balance the energies in this realm. And I did something similar. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And 

Tava Baird: that's why there's great love there.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And there is, he does have this incredible love and respect for what it is to be human and talks about it so often as like this sacrifice that we are making for the greater good. And while I, I don't entirely understand the how behind all of it, that seems to be a message that I've heard through a lot of different people who channel angels is this sense that by being willing to leave our remembering state and come here and experience, you know, it's oftentimes suffering and pain and difficulty and feelings of separation and all the things that we feel as humans.

that we are [00:28:00] moving everything and everyone forward. That there is this, and you mentioned that before, that there's, he talks about this forward motion, this movement of expansion. And I know Abraham Hicks talks about the being that we are on, like the cutting edge, that leading line edge, of the universe and that our actions, our learning, by the, very act of experiencing life in this realm as it's set up that we are moving all of creation.

Yes. Forward. 

Tava Baird: Forward. 

Jennifer Taylor: And I'm, I think that's a hard thing to imagine. It's like, how is us just going around and living it, having to deal with a body that stubs their toe and has to do things and hurts and cries and fight,and has all of these issues. How is that moving all of creation forward?

And the angels talk about how it's, whatever it is that we are [00:29:00] doing here is in benefit to them and that there is a gratitude to us for doing this. And like you said, like that he's making that parallel of, it's very similar to the kind of thing, that he did. Only, we get to through his grace, we get to be taken back through that doorway of death.

Yes. And back to the remembering. And our times here are short and limited and his is, not 

Tava Baird: Um, he just said, you are discovering patterns in a new state. So when you were talking about what are we doing here just by being, he has talked before about one of the things that the angels do is they observe and they will deliver messages and watch the effects and that all of the patterns that they see and pull in what they see happening goes [00:30:00] back to Metatron.

And I believe that as we go through, like we're almost like tiny scientists who didn't necessarily read all the lab directions, but we're here and we're in this body and we are experiencing this realm in a way that the disembodied cannot, we can move things, we can move each other.

We have energetic, pull on each other. our births and deaths affect things around us. We interact with other parts of nature. And all of that is being observed and more information about how everything works is being brought in by us. So all of those patterns are part of it.

So us being here and us interacting in a physical way in this realm, we are creating discoveries and patterns in this [00:31:00] state that was created. And it's almost like, we gotta send somebody through there, but they gotta be wearing a blue suit. And we're like, we'll be the blue suit people. Great. Go in and see what happens to the light when you're in a blue suit, you know?

And so we go in and the light behaves differently around us and Samuel's outside writing down the pattern. And then he takes it and turns it into his boss, Metatron, and goes, this is what happens when someone in a blue suit goes in next group green suits, we're part of this grand experiment of what happens here as they start to, as they gain more knowledge and understanding going forward.

if we could remember, we wouldn't be here. 

The not remembering is a, a necessity for us to try stuff. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. You know? Absolutely. Yeah. This whole, this whole earth thing would not work if we were all in our remembering states.

It just, it wouldn't work. It, this is so interesting to me. So as [00:32:00] you were talking about. You know, we're in a body, we can interact with things in a different way. This morning, as I was opening myself to receive more information around this new modality and this path, and this temple of song that Sam Miles' been telling me, I'm creating in this other realm with the help of you and Keith I'm just opening to what it is that I need to know and understand with this, but trying to do it in a, not indirect kind of way.

I realized last night I had this vision that as I develop this, it's like I can't look directly at it or it will disappear. It's like I have to keep my focus gently somewhere else, but pay attention to the periphery. And that's how I can take it in, because it all collapses when I try to look directly at it and bring it through 'cause I think then it puts my brain in this more analytical kind of thing of [00:33:00] like, alright, now let's get the nuts and bolts and figure this out.

So I was like, all right, I'm gonna try this, not looking directly at it kind of thing and see what happens. And I heard Michael really strongly in my ears and I was like, okay, how are we gonna do this? And I, I sat down. And closed my eyes. And I was like, just take me where you need to take me, show you, show me what you need to show me.

And I asked, I remember one of the things that Sam Mayel was saying was that the first, one of the first lessons was nature and connecting with nature. And from the way that I practice, the way that I'm singing and I'm moving and I'm working in these other realms and all of these things.

I thought it didn't make all that much sense immediately as to why the first lessons would be connecting with nature. Because I was thinking, but that's not really directly related to the end way [00:34:00] of the modality, of the way that I work, that I bring through healing. 

And so I asked, why work with Nature First? And this is what I got. I basically was just dictating it into my phone while my eyes were closed and I was taking it in. And this is what came out of me. Why do we work with nature? Because nature is energy. It is God. It is learning to work with energy and the divine intangible form.

It is a reminder of how close we really are. Yeah, working with nature is working with energy that we can see and feel and taste and touch. It is learning directly from those that are embodied and yet have, not forgotten their remembering. Like the birds. Yeah. The birds and that teach us to sing connections and open spaces and the [00:35:00] animals bring messages.

And so, working with nature also maintains a sense of magic and mystery and awe and wonder, gratitude and connection. It reminds us who and what we are. It takes us outside the walls built by humans to fortify the illusion of separation. It brings us into the space of, and, and it reminds us how interconnected we all are.

How delicate the balance it is forgiving and welcoming. It is humbling. It is responsive. It is magic embodied. And as you were talking, I was like, oh my goodness. That's exactly what I was just talking about. Not only is that the perfect place to start if you are learning to work with energy, because nature is that energy in a [00:36:00] more tangible form, and that we can learn from the birds and we can learn from these things.

But it also helps to explain why us being in a body and having these experiences and in tangible of experiencing energy in a tangible way Yes. Would change the information that's gathered from it. it's like you can experience the energy of lavender, you can connect with the spirit of lavender, of the lavender plant.

you can feel its energy, you can work with it, But it's not the same kind of information as holding lavender in your hand and smelling it. Yes. You know, and like, not only just being near the plant and smelling it, but watching the pollinators and all the different little bees interact with it on it and, you know, rubbing the leaf or part of it and then smelling how it stays on your hands and it stays around you.

You know, all of those things. That's [00:37:00] a very different type of information than you get from just. Interacting with the energy and the essence that is the lavender plant. Yes, 

Tava Baird: absolutely. And this, this reminds me of something that someone said to me. I guess it was either yesterday or the day before, um, for those people listening, and I imagine she will be listening to, uh, we have another friend named Jennifer, um, yeah, another Jennifer, uh, another Jennifer.

And, uh, Jennifer runs Death Cafes, which I am learning to run. but I guess this was Sunday. She said something really interesting to me. She said, you know, a death cafe, people get together. They have coffee, they have refreshments, and they talk about death because our society doesn't really let people think about it a lot of times in advance.

And so it's a way of, of sort of balancing that. And she said, um, but the food isn't just so that you feel cozy. She said, if you think about it, those who are no [00:38:00] longer here with us, who don't have bodies anymore, they can't experience chocolate cake on their tongue anymore. Or good strong cup of coffee.

And so the eating and drinking at this, that event is not just to put something in your belly and give you something to do. It's a celebration of being in your body and you are enjoying and tasting these things. In a way that you can't after you pass on. And it just gave a whole different dimension to having, you know, tea and cake with someone.

that just reminded me of that when you were talking about, you know, smelling lavender oil off of fresh flowers on your skin is a completely different experience than just experiencing the energy. As you were talking, my brain was kind of blowing up and I popped open here, from Book of Sam.[00:39:00]

It's the second chapter. So one of the very first things he said to me, listen to how much it echoes what you just said. Let us speak of original sin of the Garden of Eden itself. Despite what you have been taught, men built the garden, not God. If men built the garden, they can tear it down, Man created the idea of God's judgment.

What were we just talking about with Michael? 

Jennifer Taylor: Yes. 

Tava Baird: Right? Yes. Okay. But it's a different phrase of judgment. So this is, this is almost two years ago, this is the second time he spoke to me. Okay man, craves a clear definition of right and wrong. They have lost being comfortable in the gray. What has happened due to that is a vilification of the natural spirit.

And then I asked him the question, but aren't gardens good? And he said. In the beginning. In the beginning [00:40:00]there was wildness nature. That is what was created by God and is God. A faith without nature is a faith without God, but nature is changeable and cannot be contained by laws. Humans became uncomfortable with this fact.

They want to sort to categorize, this is a human, this is not, this has feelings, this does not. This one deserves to live and this one does not. God lives in a space of AND, but men often want the easy route. They want the concept of or, and so they fenced off a section of the wild and made it a garden with tamed space with rules, a place with paths and order in place for OR to live.

You are either in the garden or outside of it. You [00:41:00] are allowed here or you are not. It is described as a paradise. And then I said, so the Garden of Eden was not a paradise. And he said. How can anything be a paradise if you can be driven from it? The wild accepts all, it allows for monsters and storms, but those in the garden wanted to pretend that the wild is the other rather than a part of their own essential nature.

They left no room for it to tell themselves stories of external safety rather than learning to build an internal one. So you were talking like there's the, that idea you said God is there in the wild and that's that, you know, he, that's his thing from the beginning is that that nature that that connection with nature, you know, um, what was it?

Uh, [00:42:00] so they fenced off a section of the wild eye, uh, a faith without nature is a faith without God. And so, you know, when you were like, what is the reason for this beginning? It's exactly what you said. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. That our 

Tava Baird: connection to nature puts us and, and our physical connection to nature puts us in physical contact with divine energy and helps those of us who are in a non remembering state get closer to remembering.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And it's, you hit the 

Tava Baird: nail on the head. 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh yeah, it's, yeah, it's like one of those times when I feel like all of these, like things are just blowing up and there's like confetti and fireworks going off inside me. I'm like, oh my goodness. All these things. And I think about the, um, you know, nature too.

One of the things in the animal Reiki courses is that it's not, [00:43:00] at least the versions that I teach are, it's not just learning about techniques and ways of connecting with animals or ways of sharing reiki with animals, but you get attuned to an actual vibration of energy that is different. It's an addition to the reiki energy that you have already.

And one of the big things in it, and I always encourage my students to take the animal reiki course as well, even if you never, ever plan on giving it to an animal, because one of the biggest things in it is the reconnection, the remembering that happens that we are animals, you know, humans are animals, like scientifically classified as animals.

And It reminded me so much when you were talking about how humans sort of built this garden and decided the wild was too much. You know, it was like, we are going to, we're gonna [00:44:00] fence it all off and we're gonna stay inside this. And it's safer here. And that's what we've done too with our, our own wild nature, our own animal selves.

And it's been vilified in the same way. You know, like how many times do people talk about, oh, they were so animalistic, or they're animal nature, or these things as though that were a bad thing. Animals, they are literally animals. Animals, I mean the, you know, the other animals that are not human animals are so much closer to their remembering.

They're so much more in tune and live in more of a sense of community and oneness and understanding and right relationship with each other. And so the, some of the biggest healing that happens in that class is healing that idea of separation. That idea that we are not a part of nature. That we are not a part of the wild, that we are not animals.

And it helps us to reconnect with, you know, like [00:45:00] animals or non-human animals listen with their entire body. They take in information with their entire body, you know, with all of them. They, can sense a predator, a mile away moving in this direction or they can sense the storm coming or all of these different things.

They're so connected. And so we learn more how to start feeling into all of that. And the more we connect with our animal nature, the more we connect with God and our true essence and can start to see that in everything else. And then it also helps with all of that connection of being able to work with nature in a different way.

And yeah, you know, I'll activate the animal Reiki energy and like, it, it looks like a Disney movie. Like there are birds flying up, like tweeting outside the window trying to get things and you know, like all the animals start [00:46:00] coming in. it's absolutely incredible. It's like they start going, oh yeah, okay, finally you get it.

Like, we're, we're a part of each other. It's not the idea that we are here to heal the animals with animal reiki. But a lot of it is the, the healing comes from the animal recognizing in us, oh, you get it. We are, we're a part of this. And then you're recognizing the wisdom that is within those animals and reflecting that back to them.

And that, one of the most healing parts of it for them is like, you see, you see me, you see yes, that we are the same. And you see my value my worth and my, wisdom and just in being seen in that way. It facilitates a level of healing that isn't possible when you're just thinking of yourself as something more evolved and higher and better and separate from them.

And now I'm going to gift you with this divine thing, this energy that's going [00:47:00] to fix you. And most of the time animals are like, no, I don't want, you know, I keep, your stuff. and so many, especially cats will look at you like, uh, no, just leave. But when you approach it in this different way, all of a sudden, the whole relationship, the whole dialogue, the whole dynamic is completely different.

And I have to say, it's so funny that this happened because I just, I haven't taught animal reiki in like a year, and I just scheduled a class for the fall, for October, my gosh, on Saturday. So if somebody already has reiki one and two of any lineage, you can take that if you would like.

And it's online so anybody can experience it. It's four hours a week on Saturday mornings, for four weeks. So. Awesome. Yeah, I actually just, and I am usually terrible about getting anything scheduled ahead of time until somebody's like, it's due, it's October, it's only the first day of July now.

That's phenomenal. I know. So there's like, there's actually time, um, and actually there's time to get Reiki wanted to because [00:48:00] there's no waiting period, mandatory waiting period between. the regular human kind of version and the animal version. So, yeah. Very cool. There's, you could, you could get both of them and be able to experience it.

'cause it is, it's it's amazing. 

Tava Baird: Oh my god. it's so funny you were talking about how, you know, we say, oh, don't be an animal, but we are like, it reminds me of like, I was growing up and I remember I went outside to play ball one day and one of the neighborhood boys said to me like, you're not gonna throw like a girl, are you?

And I was like, I am a girl. Like what other way would I possibly throw, you know, like, it's like, you mean real? Well no matter, no matter matter what they meant, I throw No, that's not what they meant. They were being very insulting. But no matter how I throw, I'll throw in like a girl because that's what I am.

We try so hard to sort of domesticate, and sanitize ourselves, you know, to the point where like, we don't like to touch dirt. Like, I remember I took a bunch of priests, this was years ago when I was a [00:49:00] Montessori teacher and um, at this one school I was at, they had built these lovely little garden boxes outside of each classroom.

And the school that I was at, each classroom had a door that opened straight out and there was like all the way around. The school was fenced in and then they put these garden boxes so you could go right out your back door with the children and plant. And I remember taking all these preschoolers out there and being like, Liz, we are gonna plant, I think it was like tomatoes or sugar snap peas or something.

And they were all really excited. You know, they're all three years old. And, I give them little shovels and most of them didn't want to touch the dirt because they were afraid they were going to get dirty. it had already been ingrained into them at age three that they weren't supposed to get dirty.

And I'm like, you know, Maria Montessori said that nature was the original classroom. Like it's the original environment designed for humans. No matter what classroom you build, it's never gonna be as good as nature. [00:50:00] And I remember thinking, oh my gosh, how do I unprogram? I'm afraid of dirt, you know? 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah.

And, 

Tava Baird: that, that thing that you were talking about, the, you know, don't be an animal. The other day I was really, really tired and I have a little quirky, and she was passed out on the ground, like by my feet. And I'm looking at her for a minute and I said to my husband, I said, do you ever realize that she's just naked all the time?

She's just naked all the time. She gets up in the morning naked, eats her breakfast naked, greets people naked, goes out to the vet, totally naked. She is a hundred percent naked. For her whole life. And he went, yeah. And I said, we are not naked like that. It's a hundred degrees outside. And I sat there and he was like, go to bed, Tava.

But I just sat there going, well, [00:51:00] she's an animal. I'm an animal. I mean, you could say, I don't have the body hair and I need to stay warm, but not, it's a hundred degrees outside. We all need to be naked. More people, the Corgies get to do it. Um, suddenly there's a rash of people stripping off their clothes as they listen to this 

Jennifer Taylor: podcast.

Tava Baird: Good. Um, yeah, but it, it, it's exactly nature is it's that original state that we were made for and um, 

Jennifer Taylor: yeah, we're meant to be out in it and getting dirty and learning from the animals. And that's the other thing is that one of the big things that it helps to heal too, that we talk about in the classes and the animal reiki energy, is also that sense of dominion over animals?

Mm-hmm. one, we are animals, so that's like dominion over [00:52:00] ourselves. But the idea that like we have power over. Or, we are better than we're set apart. 

It's another one of these misunderstandings of the term and the word and what is actually meant to be. if we were given dominion over the animals, it certainly doesn't mean that we are separate from them, that we're better than they are, that we are more valuable than they are, but that we have been given a different type of consciousness and therefore because of it, we have just that much more responsibility for caring for the earth and caring for the animals and being in right relation, with it.

so it strikes me again as another one of these things that's been passed on and said over and over and over. Yeah. And completely misconstrued and misunderstood. Yes. And you know, the more we heal that rather than using nature for our own purposes, we can work with [00:53:00] and in concert with, for the benefit of all of it when we can heal that sense.

Tava Baird: I looked up something this morning and I found this really interesting and I thought you would too. 'cause it kind of speaks to this whole domestication and trying to move away from our animal nature. Um, you know me, I love to make poppets and for a while now I've wanted to make a cat.

Uh, 'cause I usually do kind of human forms and I was like, I really wanna do a cat. And, I happened to look up, I used to live with, uh, someone who adopted a cat and she didn't know what to name it. And I suggested Bastet, you know, it was an Egyptian cat headed goddess. And so I lived with a cat named Bastet for many years who was lovely.

And so of course when I went to think about cats, um, as a puppet, I thought about baste and I realized how little I really knew about her. Like, I knew that she was a fertility goddess and that she was protection for the home and women and children [00:54:00] and all that. But I just, you know, I Googled her. Is it, is it bad that I think I've now Googled best at more today than I Googled Samuel in the last six months.

Anyway. Um, but what came, one of the things that was really interesting was that the original old, stuff they have on Bastet, she didn't have a cat head. She had a lion head, sort of like Sekhmet, right? Yeah. And that over time they changed the head. To be more like a domestic cat. And I just found that really interesting.

I'm like, you gave the goddess a new head. She went from being a lion, an animal that could, you know, very easily kill and eat you and has a very wild, untamed animal nature to a domestic house cat. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And I'm like, yeah. And what's more, you know, what's more terrifying too than not only, a lion, [00:55:00] but a woman with a lion head.

Ah-huh. It's like, that is way too untamed, too powerful. You know, we need to all right, let's just Make our house cat, you know, that's more, everything will be fine. People can handle that. And I know there are various, and I am, not remembering them now, but there are various stories as to whether Bastet is, is Sekhmet 

There was like sort of that bast was like the, the tamed domesticated. Sec Met version, um, or I'll have to look that up. That's if there was something separate. Interesting. But I seem to remember they're reading some things that there was, some speculation as to, were they, always separate or, different.

And then some that were saying that something happened with Sekhmet that sort of calmed her or tamed her down or something. But yeah, I can tell you working with the SME that I know is not in any way, not tamed, domesticated or tamed called none of her wild, fierce nature is, [00:56:00] uh, is tamed and controlled by someone else.

Tava Baird: Uh, there's nothing more terrifying that a wild woman is there 

Jennifer Taylor: indeed. Really, really interesting. I think we have come to the end of another episode and so I will sing and.

Kind of wrap up and attempt to, bring through a song of integration for all of this, because this was a lot of, stuff, a lot of expansion of our knowledge and understanding and a lot of pulling together. Lots of different sorts of things. And so I very much welcome, of course, any song that Samuel and Michael and Gabriel feel is best to come through me.

But, um, certainly if they agree, I think this would be a wonderful time to integrate all of this healing and help to bring us back down into our physical bodies that much [00:57:00] more so that we walk away from this podcast really grounded and connected in the blessing of these bodies. 

[00:58:00] [00:59:00] [01:00:00] All right. 

Tava Baird: That was really lovely. Thank you so much for singing. 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh, my pleasure. 

Tava Baird: I got a little bit verklempt before when I was thinking about the fall. Um, and so Samuel Mayel directs the first sentence of this at me. I think he says, do not wait for me, um, shaah for I will return home again. We all will.

The choices we have made, the sacrifices we have endured are in the service of love. We are each other's guardians, lovers, brothers and sisters. Our paths converge and separate [01:01:00] our gatherings, join and disperse. And while there is longing, that longing is a blessing for, it means we had remembering and unity and a common purpose, they are still there, you know, waiting for your return.

And others are here with us embodied and disembodied and unbodied working alongside you. You may think you return at night to an empty house. No place here is empty, no place. Here is a place of separation. Even in solitude, there is companionship. The hall that echoes is full of unseen souls. You are seen, you are felt, you are heard.

And one blessed day, I will come and [01:02:00] take your hand and we will walk home together, home, and then the story will continue.

Jennifer Taylor: That's so beautiful. Thank you. 

Tava Baird: Now I'm all verklempt again. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, I'm with 

Tava Baird: you. 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh, 

Tava Baird: so well that was a wild ride. Thank you so much everybody for listening, and we'll be back next week and see where it is that the angels take us. Don't forget to eat that chocolate cake and really enjoy it. 

Jennifer Taylor: And until next time, go with all of our love and blessings and know that just like Samael said, you are never ever alone.