Metaphysical Spelunking in The Crystal Cave (Part 2 of Walking Blind)

In this episode of Mystical Musings, Tava Baird and Jennifer Taylor discuss the mystical properties and energies connected to crystal skulls and the Crystal Cave, a continuation from a previous episode titled 'Walking Blind.' The episode dives deep into experiences and profound connections individuals have had with crystal skulls, highlighting their wisdom and consciousness. Jenn shares a personal anecdote about an encounter with a crystal skull via a meditation card that led to vivid mystical experiences involving Egyptian symbols. The hosts also explore the notion that stones and crystals carry the energies of their geographical places of origin and that these energies can amplify spiritual work. Discussion extends to sacred spaces, including the magical properties of caves viewed as portals and amplifiers, and unique experiences in a man-made salt cave that mimics these natural phenomena. The episode emphasizes the significance of creating personal ritual tools and understanding the layered meanings of sacred objects. A singing segment by Jenn aims to ground and bring joy to the discussion, while the concluding thoughts ponder the symbolic caves within oneself and their hidden treasures and darkness. Listeners are invited on a journey of discovery about the interconnectedness of physical objects, sacred spaces, and spiritual energies.

Links to information and recordings of the cave organ: 

listen:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsKUUn29tSs

information : https://luraycaverns.com/news/the-great-stalacpipe-organ/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjXZzB5bUAo

Roslyn Salt Cave in New York: https://roslynsaltcave.com/

Astrological Mapping Episode with Helena Woods on Beyond The Reiki Gateway:

Season 5 Episode 24, available on many platforms here is the Spotify link:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3qeencPsFUckmG59GaCCNK?si=fTj1RFdnR9WGWFSAYoiQgw 

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Tava Baird: tavabaird.com or https://darkflowerbooks.etsy.com.

Jennifer Taylor: Willow Ridge Reiki and Healing Arts https://www.willowridgereiki.com/

Transcript

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Tava Baird: Hello again, Mystical Musings listeners, Tava Baird here. And I just wanna give you an explanation for the layout of this week's episode. A few weeks ago, we recorded an episode titled Walking Blind. This is part. Two of that episode. However, in editing, we realized that a discussion on crystal skulls and the Crystal Cave fit better with this part two than it did with part one.

So what you're about to hear is a short discussion left over from part one on crystal skulls and the crystal cave, and then. You'll hear us start a whole new part two of the episode, so when we don't say hello until like 10 minutes in, that's what's going on. Thank you so much for listening and as always for putting up with our [00:01:00] insanity.

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Jennifer Taylor: I saw your face at the end of that. 

Tava Baird: there's something else I didn't read here as you were doing your goodbye thing just now. He said, crystal Cave, the cave of skulls. They sing in the voices of our ancestors. Did you have a bunch of crystal skull stuff recently? 

Jennifer Taylor: I did. Yeah. And I know of at least one that was found in a cave, in, I think it was South America, that mm-hmm.

Someone actually saw like a glowing light coming from like a cave, like in the jungle. And it was coming from this crystal skull that was ready to be rediscovered and. Yeah, [00:02:00] these, these crystal skulls have like a consciousness. 

Tava Baird: Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor: They're in them or attached to them that seems to be very wise, very enlightened, and has a very clear, sense of purpose.

And there are a whole collection of crystal skulls that have been found around the earth that all tie together and work together. And people who have had interactions with these crystal skulls have had really profound experiences. there are people that channel for the skulls, but then lots of times people just directly hear messages from them or see messages from them.

And, yeah, in fact, I'm trying to even remember what my specific. Experience with the skulls was, and it was extremely tangential experience. I mean, one of my people that has been a mentor [00:03:00] and guide that I dearly love had gone to see in person one of these crystal skulls.

And after it was the Mitchell Hedges skull. And after she came back, she shared with us in a Zoom. She was like, Hey, anybody that wants to hear about my experience, we'll just get on Zoom and we'll just talk about it. And just from sitting there, we started talking and she was like, while we're talking about it, why don't we just invite in the energy of all of these crystal skulls?

And she specifically mentioned several by name to come in and be with us and inform us. And from the moment we did that, I was in that kind of disassociated. Other kind of plane and was feeling all of this energy where it was like you could really feel the presence of the energy of these skulls.

 I definitely would love to hear more about that cave of skulls [00:04:00] and I'm going to look up the crystal skull thing real quick while 

We're talking, 

Tava Baird: you were talking about one of them in a Marco not that long ago. 

Jennifer Taylor: You know what, I was, there was something Oh, did it? 

Tava Baird: And I remember being like, oh, that's really interesting. But then we moved on to other things. 

 It was before you went to on retreat, but not long before that. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. You know, I'm pretty sure while we were, oh, was it there? I swear I looked up the crystal skull experience. I swear, I think something came up that had about the crystal skull.

Like from that crystal skull experience. 

Tava Baird: Yeah. I remember. 'cause there was the Marco, like this wasn't that long ago. And you, talked for a while about crystal skulls. 

Jennifer Taylor: I know what it was. So I had the crystal skull experience. A [00:05:00] long time ago with a card. Yes.

And, then, andI was reminded of the fact, I was like, wait a minute. I had a crystal skull experience. And I think during the experience, um, like during that Zoom thing where she was like, oh, you know, let's call in the crystal skulls and stuff. I remember thinking, oh my gosh, I've had a crystal skull experience.

What was it? And I looked it up and now I'm trying to remember, I'm trying to find what had happened in it. This is so weird. I feel like there're like all the, all these like overlapping, 

Tava Baird: all these, these threads sudden are getting tied in the center. Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor: Alright, let's see. Crystal skull. 

Okay. It was December, [00:06:00] 2022. And

I said, while sending Reiki to my matcha and said, the Reiki distance symbol repeatedly, not knowing why. Oh, I was saying horror, I think is how I was saying. Okay.

It was horror horrors. And I said, I kept saying it and I felt that it was a symbol. Ti and s met were with me. So I felt safe and led. And then I was led to pick two cards. One was the crystal skull wisdom, and I did the meditation. On the card and the crystal skull came into my mind and a number of things happened and appeared.

 I became aware that Horus is a symbol that I had received and also something that was taken from the back left of my brain and opened it as a flower. it opened as a flower, but it was covered in dust or something.

And so I blew it off and there was what seemed to be [00:07:00] a clay beetle. I immediately thought scarab and it began flying around my head. And I have written definitely a connection between Sec Met, um, Horace. I have Horus, I have Horace and Scarab when I'd connected the symbol, that I could see the left half of it.

 It looked golden and like the basic parts of drawing an eye, but it was the left eye. if you were looking at it from the front 

It was Horace is reaching out to me That's what the hawks have been trying to tell me, will heal my joints appropriate to start using it, not best to pair with holy fire. It is pure and safe. Divine energy will help me draw it and learn to use it. Ti and SME were there with me the whole time.

I just know that. And then I have where I had drawn this symbol that I had received and somehow I [00:08:00] keep like forgetting that. 

Tava Baird: What are you holding? Little tiny Clay Scarab was sitting here on my computer right underneath the picture of you while we recorded today, so I wouldn't lose it.

And you were just like, clay, a beetle, a 

Jennifer Taylor: scarab. Here it is right here. Oh my goodness. A clay. It's been sitting right scarab 

Tava Baird: Sitting right under my, it's right under your picture today as you're talking about it. 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh my goodness. It's the only, 

Tava Baird: it's the only thing on my computer. 

Jennifer Taylor: what's really strange is I keep forgetting about that symbol and that whole thing and the fact that it came together from the crystal skull, like it was all from this crystal skull wisdom thing.

From this Just, it was a card in a card deck that had a meditation of how to connect to this crystal skull. And that came out. 

And so when I sang today,

the song was [00:09:00] reminding him of the cave, which could potentially be the crystal cave, which I had drawn. I had painted a painting that was the like portal opening for it, what, two years ago. 

Tava Baird: And he just now resonance and magnification of the patterns of metatron. Apparently this cave, the crystals in it.

This has to do with resonance and magnification of certain vibrations. Oh boy. Why do I get the feeling Next week's podcast is gonna be a doozy. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. 

So that was the Crystal Cave stuff left over from last week listeners, and now here starts the new episode [00:10:00] to continue the discussion. I.

Tava Baird: Hello Gente. 

Jennifer Taylor: Hello Tova Baird. So while everyone else is hearing this a week later, we actually just finished. Last week's podcast we were so into the energy with this whole crystal cave thing and all of the stuff that was going on that we felt like we had better keep going to make sure that we can kind of flesh out this information for you because there seemed to be a lot of loose threads that are tying together here.

Tava Baird: Yes, yes, there is. And Samuel is continuing to talk, so we wanna take advantage of this now while he's on topic and in the moment, to see if we can get some of these crystal cave questions done. Jen, will you sing again?

You're gonna be so hoarse by the end of the day. He is ready to talk and [00:11:00] I cannot wait to see what the heck happens next. 

Jennifer Taylor: Okay. Does he have any guidance about the song? Because I know the last couple, were very much led by him. So 

Tava Baird: he, have you heard the organ in the cave? What is he talking about? I 

Jennifer Taylor: heard the organ in the cave.

Tava Baird: An organ Hold on. This like a 

Jennifer Taylor: pipe organ kind of thing. Kind of organ, yeah. 

Tava Baird: Is there an organ in a cave 

Jennifer Taylor: around? 

Tava Baird: Hold on Google. 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh, the caverns. What, what? The caverns in Virginia. What caverns? They're the, I'm trying to remember if it's, one of the caverns in Virginia. There's a pipe or there's an organ.

I think it's made, it might even be made out of stites or s stalagmites. 

Tava Baird: Oh my God. Okay, let's Google this. Here we go. Here we go. Googling in real time on the podcast. Oh, 

Jennifer Taylor: okay. You think 

Tava Baird: it's where? 

Jennifer Taylor: It's near LaRay, Oregon. It might actually be LaRay a cave. It's like pipe. It's, it's a, um, [00:12:00] it's type in tavern.

Yeah, 

Tava Baird: the grape. It's a pipes lac pipe organ. The great s stalac pipe organ is an electrically actuated lithon located in Leray Caverns, Virginia USA, covering 3.5 acres of the cavern. It is considered the world's largest instrument by the Guinness Book of World Records.

Jennifer Taylor: Oh, I didn't know that about it. 

Tava Baird: It is operated by a custom console that produces the tapping of ancients, stalactites of varying sizes with solenoid actuated rubber mallets in order to produce tones. The instrument's name was derived from the resemblance of the selected 37 naturally forms stites to the pipe work of a traditional pipe organ, along with its custom organ style keyboard console.

It was designed and implemented in 1956 over three years by Leland w. Sprinkle [00:13:00] inside the, the Leray caverns near Shenandoah National Park in Virginia. And then there's a whole history and a construction. 

Jennifer Taylor: I have and a parent been there and heard it. You have, but it was, I was like a kid on a field trip.

I don't at all really remember. I, I just remember that there was a pipe organ made out of like stalag tights. But I don't know. I mean, I'm sure some part of me still remembers it. 

Tava Baird: He says, so he said, have you heard the organ in the cave? Close your eyes and sing along. Bye. I'm so sorry. I, 

Jennifer Taylor: why do I keep asking for

Tava Baird: We 

Jennifer Taylor: always do safe think it can't get, it can't get stranger than, than it 

Tava Baird: did. But Jen, in addition to a channeling song, we'd like you to remember an organ you may or may [00:14:00] not have heard from your childhood inside. Dave in Shenandoah National Park, and if you please sing along, sing along. 

Jennifer Taylor: Well of course. I mean, you know, who don't you do that every afternoon?

I mean, this is like a regular thing for people to do. Right. 

Tava Baird: Totally makes sense. 

Jennifer Taylor: Okay. Alright. Well, I asked, I always, so I will, I'll do it. It it'll, it is gonna be interesting. And actually the, the gong ever, now that I'm talking the gong is talking a lot, which it's kind of seems like it's helping me with hearing the sound.

So, uh, thank you. Thank you. Spirit of the Gone. 

Tava Baird: Um, ladies and gentlemen, listening, this may be the final episode of the Mystical Musings Podcast, as eventually Jen will just go, yeah, I'm out. As Samuel's requests keep getting weirder and weirder. Hey, okay. Hey, 

Jennifer Taylor: I don't know [00:15:00] why I'm, I'm in this far, I mean.

Let's do it. 

Tava Baird: You took a walk with him last episode. Now he wants you to sing to something you probably haven't heard since you were 10. 

Jennifer Taylor: That's all right. Usually I sing to things I've, I have, haven't maybe ever heard so, uh, or that I don't remember hearing at least, or have any sort of physical reference to in the, in the physical world.

So really, this isn't, when I think about it, this isn't that far out there. 

Tava Baird: All right. You're such a good sport. Alright. Alright.

Jennifer Taylor: [00:16:00] [00:17:00] [00:18:00] Holy.

Well, I'm not sure how well I did, but I gave it my best. And I know you're still writing, so you go right ahead. 

Tava Baird: It was gorgeous.

Alright.

I loved that song. That was really, it sounded [00:19:00] like, yeah, I loved that one. I thought that was really lovely. Oh, good. I could picture you standing in a caver and singing. Um, it had a. It had a different echo to it. Like I know there's a vibration and echo and a lot of the singing, but it, it's just different and I really liked it.

Thank you for being willing to Sure. Thanks for along. Being willing to organ. Here is what he said During your song, Samuel says, "conjure angels Umshallah sing and play music in the womb of the earth as the water becomes art, reaching skyward and center word at the same time. Echo and balance. Echo and balance.

Caves are holy places. They contain altars to what lies under the surface. [00:20:00] They are the birthplace of stones and mystery and, like valleys between mountains, they are natural vibrational amplifiers. It is natural and good." It's interesting. He used natural right twice in a row there." It is natural and good that the stones and crystals birthed in a cave could carry its memories and song. Look not just for the traditional meanings of stones, but for its parentage of place and the refracted light of the beings who take shelter and travel there."

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. My brain is like, okay, wait a minute. I think I started getting lost at the, looking at a different, not to look at stones in the regular way. Something about the parentage. I started getting [00:21:00] yes lost. 

Tava Baird: Okay. here's what I think this is. You know how like we get a stone at the store and we go, this is,amethyst, it is for,spiritual development and we carry it around.

He is saying that these stones and crystals and things came from a particular place and that when we open up the earth to get stones, we're also creating caves. Right? 

Wow. 

so he's saying that in addition to this is an amethyst and it means spiritual development.

 We should also look at where the stone came from, the parentage of its place. So wherever it came from, it also carries. The energy of that place. And now I'm thinking about you just got stones. Yeah. In your [00:22:00] hands, right? So you basically are doing that.

You are holding onto stones and you are not just going, this stone means X to whatever you are saying. These stones were attuned to that place. They carry some of that energy and he wants us to realize that there's another deeper layer to the vibration of these stones than simply the ones that we look up in the stone, in crystal book.

 he wants to point also that those stones not only carry, because a lot of them come from places that are natural amplifiers. valleys in between mountains, you know? From the foothills of mountains is where we tend to pick them up from caves that if there are beings that took shelter in those places.

 think back to, cavemen, right? If you have [00:23:00] beings, human and not human, who tend to shelter in these places that we need to take into account that some of their vibrations are in the stones as well. So I think he's saying that the stones you are holding in your hands right now not only carry a parentage or a lineage.

Of the place they came from, but they also have the energy of whoever settled or sheltered or met in that space and that retreat, Yvonne has been there quite some time, hasn't it? 

Jennifer Taylor: Right. Um, well the retreat has happened a number of times, but that space there, that general place in the mountains has a very high, while it wasn't specifically where we had the retreat, it was very close to, and still in that same [00:24:00] Chester dome, like that same geographic area where, our mentors have lived and been working and doing lots of work and created a stone circle and stuff.

So it's really still all the same section of land overall, right. When you think of it. 

Tava Baird: Yeah, that it's all that. So the, any beings that are doing work in that area, and if we think about sort of from an angelic viewpoint, they like vibration, they like song, that's how they communicate.

That's how they are formed, I guess we would say. Although Sanel doesn't always have a form so much. but they're gonna be attracted to those places. And I believe he was talking about coming in, in our previous, what is now our previous episode, but was in fact only like an hour and a half ago for us, he talks about arriving in a cave as though it is a doorway between places.

So if you've got gates in caves, if they [00:25:00] are a birthplace of stones and mystery. If they are natural amplifiers and he says they contain altars to what lies under the surface. So things you can't see, energies there, then stones from those places are going to be, and I mean it, oh my gosh. If you think about a stone circle, we basically use it as an energetic amplifier, right?

People come there and they gather and they do ceremonies and they raise power together. So these stones are carrying a lineage beyond the traditional ascribed meanings that we give them there's a whole other layer because especially if there's crystals in there, there's, they're soaking in that energy.

Jennifer Taylor: And while this isn't specifically. Cave [00:26:00] wise, but this is definitely something that has been coming up big for time for me lately, is that, these stones that I was holding in when I was singing in the last podcast at the beginning, and then,I may have held them again at the end, I don't even remember.

And then I was, you know, these stones that I picked up, I was hiking on the, um, for those who don't know the story, I was hiking with, my husband in this place in Vermont where we had gone for a retreat. And as we were walking, I knew I was gonna be picking up stone. I knew that I was gonna be adding to this collection of stones that had started coming to me.

And there it was like the specific ones, these three specific ones just jumped out at me. It was like, I am, I'm what you're looking for, take me I'm, and they had different. Instructions of that we, went to the Sacred River and, put me in the water and one's like, Nope, I don't go in the water and all these things.

But I have been [00:27:00] working with these stones now, and they're not crystals. I don't know what they're actually made of, but, it's not like quartz crystal or something that you think of as having all of this vibration. But from the moment I picked them up, I could feel this incredible amount of energy just coursing through me.

And I've been working with them and I've had a, knowing that it's like these stones are also ancestors Like the night that we left. I'd written you about what I was supposed to do with these chumpy stones. And I used these stones actually to attune this chumpy stone to the place.

And we had made an altar at the foot of our bed. And so these stones were working to attune this other stone at the foot of the bed and we could hear, we could feel and hear ancestors standing all the way around the bed and Keith could hear them like chanting and I could hear [00:28:00] them playing the flute.

And it was so profound that I didn't even feel like I needed to do my regular, bedtime kind of preparation of calling people in and all of the energetic stuff that I do because it felt like it was actually disrespectful because it was so clear that there was a group of ancestors or spirits of place that were around.

And I have felt very strongly that they are connected. To these stones. Right. And that when I'm working with them, I am working with this like lineage that maybe I knew or I've worked with in the past, but that it comes with me with these stones. And it's so interesting that you said a stone circle is kind of like, and you didn't even actually use these specific words, but basically like recreating the cave.

Yeah. And in my last two energy sessions. I was using these stones and in the last one I had these stones, all these various [00:29:00] stones that I've collected from two specific places set all around me and

I realized that what I was called to do with these stones was the same thing that I've been called to do when I was in a stone circle. And so what I wonder is if we have these stones that have this lineage and connection to place of, where they came from beyond what their, mineral makeup is, whether they're quartz or, whatever it is.

We have a connection to the energetics and the all and the beings, the spirits of place there, and that we can create a stone circle. Maybe part of what I'm doing is creating a cave, the energetic essence,of a cave then, and when I sing and work within it, it is having maybe the effect of being in a crystal cave.

It's like both [00:30:00] collecting the ancestors, working with the ancestors in a cave, but you're creating a cave by being in this circle. 

Tava Baird: He says, keep going, singer. Use the stones in combination with the power of story. Okay, hang on. Here we go. So, power of story says that we can create sacred space 

Jennifer Taylor: and we can create other realms and spaces that people can go to 

Tava Baird: through song and art and story and dance, that we can create energetic spaces that are real.

And now he says, "summon in ancestors of place to expand the [00:31:00] original boundaries". Okay. Okay. Okay. What about this? So you've got ancestors in those stones that came from another place. You use song or your healing session to create an energetic, sacred space. You can call in whatever ancestors you want, but what if those stones in particular are like a tool to shortcut in those place ancestors to your healing session?

So you can expand. Ladies and gentlemen, we're about to expand the state of Vermont. What if by bringing those stones, and you might not know all of the names of Vermont. But what if by bringing in those tools while you are [00:32:00] creating an energetic, sacred space or healing or connection or for people to visit or whatever, by bringing those tools in that have the echoes and the vibration of Vermont, that you are kind of inviting all of those ancestors, like a touch point, like a sort of like, Hey guys, here's the flag.

You stand under, come stand over here. What if it's a shortcut to bringing them in with you? 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, it, I mean, it is definitely, there's no doubt in my mind that it is bringing them in with me and like I can feel the presence of them, of their energy in, and there's also, so I have three stones from the barn here.

That where our horses are, where we work all the time and feel connected to the land there. And it's like their part. So I have three from there. [00:33:00] I have three from Vermont and I've been waiting for the additional stones. But this last session I picked up two different crystals that I'd actually taken with us, like ones that, are polished that I'd bought, that we took with us to Vermont and was a part of all this.

So it, it absorbed all of the energy of this emissaries of sound, retreat. And I got to thinking those additional two brought different energies. But now with what Sam is saying too, it also brings in additional specific locations and the addition of the ancestors and the beings of place there. So it essentially brought in at one.

Like one set of three, two set of three, and then another two individual stones. So that's four different locations around the world where each of these things came through that, that all work together. And I was called to rearrange [00:34:00] them in specific ways during the session. 

Tava Baird: Okay. He says "they are tangible."

The stones are tangible, "SHE is tangible. It helps her not to doubt. Students can use stones to connect and ground as crystal skulls form a network." So I think what he's saying is we are in a body and it helps us to have things to touch when we are dealing with all of this up here. Right. And so those stones, when you already have a lot on your plate, you're channeling things, you're bringing things in, exactly what you were just saying.

Having the stone, there is a tool to, it will not only expand the space that those energies hold in what we call [00:35:00] Vermont. It will allow them to come into your healing session and for you to hold onto them. And if necessary, if somebody else was having trouble grounding they could touch them.

And he's saying that you can use them, like all of them have energies like that. You can use them in a network. Or they will communicate and I think that's what you are. 

Jennifer Taylor: that's what happens is that I create, yeah, this stone circle essentially around me and a lot of times there's one that I'm told to place in the middle and then that network, like as I'll sit there and be like, no, this one's not supposed to be, this is supposed to be there.

This one's supposed to be here, this, and I'll keep doing it until it feels right. 

Tava Baird: Yes. He says The creation of sacred pattern. Metatron, Metatron, Metatron. So there's something in you [00:36:00] setting the patterns in that circle that acts as an amplifier for your energy, calls in the energy and spirits and beings of that place, and helps 

It makes the power of story material for you, which helps, he says, especially as she's learning to work in her own energy more that it is something you're doing there. He also says here, much like Matilda is a nexus for protection. So guys, Matilda is my spirit doll, right? And I take her to the inn with me and I tell people, if you are doing work with the spirits in the house, we have some spirits who are inappropriate,who sometimes touch without asking or who can be overwhelming with their presence.

I tell people I've [00:37:00] put a ton of protection spells into Matilda If you start to feel discombobulated and you need protection, and you're having trouble summoning it in a non concrete way, just come over here and pick up Matilda and hold her. That physicality of being able to squeeze her in a physical body, you feel yourself doing an action that allows you to access the protective energy and deal with the metaphysical situation you're in.

It's almost like a, it's a comfort when you're in a physical body to have a physical action to do and something to touch. Matilda's a manifestation of protection, just like those stones are a manifestation where you can actually touch things that can contain these energies. I hope this is correct.

Jennifer Taylor: I definitely feel it when I could imagine and [00:38:00] connect energetically with that space, but being able to pick up and hold those stones, I can instantly feel it. That just the tactile nature of it, the weight of them, they, the vibrations coming off of them are so strong.

It feels like they're just massively pulsing in my hand. So, and wow. Yeah. 

Tava Baird: Yeah. He says you are creating your own ritual tools. These tools have power

and you're creating your own ritual tools. 

Jennifer Taylor: And this is definitely something that I feel like is connected to. So I've just been listening to this podcast, It's one of the more, the most recent ones on the, beyond the Reiki gateway. And she was in interviewing someone named Helena and I'll have to look that up and I'll put it in the notes.

But she was talking about astrological mapping, I think they called it. And it's basically taking your astrology [00:39:00] chart and looking at the physical world like the earth and where you have lines. Through in all these different places in the world. So there are certain lines of yours from your astrological chart that go through very specific geographic locations.

And some of them really resonate with you because of the type of line and what,planet it's associated with and all this kind of stuff. Some of them are areas that are really rough for you to be in and some have a lot of, you have a lot of resonance with and some you have resonance for specific things like spiritual growth or past lives or remembering these things.

And as soon as I heard that, I felt, oh my goodness, that's what Vermont, our attachment to Vermont, we have to have some major lines from that. And then I was thinking, well, Having gone there and having brought back with us these physical things, even though we're not living in Vermont, we can access the energies of things that are, [00:40:00] where we have deeper resonance, where things that would help us to remember and open up, like the second we crossed the state lines, our hearts opened.

Like Keith and I, we were, it was like our hearts just opened and we could feel all of this, but by bringing these stones back, we're working with it. So with the them being ritual tools, I think they're that much more potent because I would bet anything, as we did the astrological mapping thing, we have major lines going through that, and so it's also tapping in helping us to geographically tap into deep wells of connection to the earth in those places that are beneficial.

Tava Baird: He said you were creating your own ritual tools. These tools have power. Tools are not necessary, but they assist much as the singer's voice helps me find the right time. I think this is really interesting 'cause we've talked about how the [00:41:00] disembodied often have difficulty with the concept of the same time as us.

Samuel pops in and out at all hours of the day night whenever he freaking feels like it to talk to me. Right? And sometimes I've gotten better about saying, dude, I need to sleep. Right. But he just, they come when they come, but we actually have scheduled time with each other. You can talk to me without you singing, but when you sing, he knows.

It helps him locate where we are and the he knows what we are about to do when it gets his voice here in the right. Time. 

Jennifer Taylor: Like remember the Metatron thing of saying Metatron seven times? It helped Metatron to locate us in this specific incarnation, this specific location in time. Because he operates like outside of time.

Yes. And when I sing, it's, creating patterns and stable, you know how he talked about that? It creates a [00:42:00] platform. Yes. It's like it not just a physical platform, but like a platform in space and time. It's like a place where we can meet on our time and he can find us in our time, 

Tava Baird: the time we need him to speak.

This cracks me up. It's like I now I have this picture that your voice is creating like a metaphysical bus stop for Sam that he's like, oh,that's where they're gonna be like. Oh my gosh. Oh, he also has something else to say about the tools. He says these are the items that may be passed on as gifts.

So we've talked before about when people die, we're holding onto great Aunt Edna's China set forever. He's saying, if we're gonna pass anything on, let it be these ritual tool. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. we talk about lineage bearers in all of these ancient wisdom traditions and things.

 these tools are physical lineage bearers.they carry the energies of all of the [00:43:00] wisdom and the experiences and the knowledge and the energies of, all of those that have worked with them all. the places where they physically came from, all of the. Energies and experiences and interactions that they've come in contact with since that time.

Like during the various healing, ceremonies or rituals or, sessions and all of that. can you imagine like inheriting something like that? Yeah. From a family member. It's like, a lineage of all of this, this healing knowledge and a being able to literally like a touchstone.

Tava Baird: Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor: for all of this wisdom and energy. 

Tava Baird: and you were in another cave recently. You brought me my water bottle from the salt caves. Yes. Yeah. So you had, you've had multiple caves. 

I have. And, 

and the salt caves. Would you talk a little bit about this? 'cause I don't know, did we ever talk about that on the podcast?

Jennifer Taylor: no, we never talked about that, that I thought that 

Tava Baird: was [00:44:00] fascinating. 

Jennifer Taylor: So we were, at a wedding in New York on Long Island, and a friend, a family member was like, oh, there's a salt cave right by here. we had never heard of it. She was like, oh, it's amazing. You have to do it. So we signed up and got tickets and went, it's a healing center in Rosalyn, New York.

And so it's a place that has, yoga and all kinds of energy healing and like a metaphysical kind of shop with crystals and stuff. But they also have these rooms that they call the Salt Cave, and it's actually called Rosalyn Salt Cave. If you are near there, it's fantastic. The woman who runs it is absolutely amazing.

And this cave, she's actually created these rooms that are just like walking into a cave and the floor is entirely, like coarse pink Himalayan salt. Oh my God. So you walk the, you walk into this little, there's this little thing where there's these bricks of Himalayan salt that you walk into in your, on your [00:45:00] socks.

Then you, the red, the whole rest of the floor is made out of the coarse, um, like loose, kind of like walking on the sand at the beach. But it's coarse Himalayan salt. There are these zero gravity chairs in there, the walls. Are giant chunks of raw Himalayan salt, like, and they've made, and then the ceiling is not, but they had made it look like it was like a cave with like tiny little bits of the plaster kind of drip kind of things and stuff.

And had embedded all of these little, little tiny LED lights, like stars in it. Oh, on the far end, they had made water feature where the water ran over the salt because she said, you know, in salt caves there's naturally running water, down the walls. And so she wanted to recreate it as, as realistically as possible, right?

So you have the sound of the water and you have the water running. The walls are all these huge chunks of salt, and the second you [00:46:00] walk in there, it, the energy is palpable. And so you're lay, you lay there and it's like a 45 minute session, I think, and there's, they have the soft music playing, but the other thing is when they shut it and they turn down the lights, they also turn on this machine that grinds this very, very pure, very specific kind of salt.

And it grinds it up super fine and then aerosolizes it and they pipe it into that room. So you're breathing salt, you're breathing salt air into your lungs while being in a room that is completely, filled with salt. You're, it is absolutely incredible. Everything falls away. you just feel so peaceful and grounded and clear and the energy was so strong in there and you just leave feeling [00:47:00] purified inside and out.

And there are all these health benefits to breathing this salt air. Um, it is, I think naturally like antibacterial and like antiviral, I think. And so it helps to clear out your lungs. So a lot of people that have allergy, like really major allergy kind of issues or breathing kinds of issues, apparently it helps to, it's really almost like cleaning and sterilizing your lungs.

 they listed all kinds of, benefits from breathing the air. And so it's funny because you can, there are lots of other places that call themselves like salt caves and stuff that you go into, but their perspective is that the salt is primarily. You know, if they have salt on the walls or salt bricks or something like that in the room, a lot of times they just have like small ones with little lights behind it.

But the main thing is that you're in a closed off room and you're breathing the salt air right as you're doing it. And that's what they're saying, all the health benefits are coming from. in this place she fully [00:48:00] gets that there is a whole lot of energetic benefit to having the salt around because even the companies that make these things say, oh, it's basically, it's really sort of aesthetic effect, but you could never have turned on those machines and the effect was incredible.

And she was saying that there are the at night when she goes in to turn off all the lights and turn off the things in there and it's pitch black, it is completely sealed off from everything that there are all these big white orb. All floating around in there. And she said, healings happen in that room all the time.

And I know it's them. It, and we didn't have a chance to really talk that much about what it was, but it was another, a cave that had, in this case been created, by humans. But the space that it created had clearly attracted these other benevolent, loving, healing beings that were hanging out in there [00:49:00] and benefiting the people that were coming in.

Um, but it was absolutely, absolutely incredible. I'd highly recommend it. 

Tava Baird: Oh my gosh. Incredible. 

Jennifer Taylor: And Keith and I kept saying, we were like, what would happen if you, we did music in here. Like, we're like, I wanna be in here and do a sound healing. And when we were, we went to, I think it was Endless was it last, maybe it was during spring break or something with our daughter, and uh, we were in there going.

Oh my goodness, I wanna be down here. 'cause there's a room where you can rent where people like get married and stuff. And we were thinking, oh my goodness, if you could have a sound healing like a ceremony. And after what, Sam was talking about, I was like, we might have to have like a power of story in Oh my god.

Could you imagine like a power story in the caverns? That 

Tava Baird: would be incredible. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Uh, holy cow. So we're getting stuff on ritual tools and [00:50:00] like the whole, have you heard the organ in the cave thing just kind of plucked me away? You're like, yeah. When I was like a kid. But then you sang beautifully with it.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And 

Tava Baird: holy places. Yeah. So, and it 

Jennifer Taylor: makes me wonder too, like singing, if we create our own stone circles within our spaces, right. I mean sitting these stones down and honoring them and doing the things that I was naturally called to do and then singing in those spaces.

If it's magnifies, if it has, if it sort of replicates to some, on some level a cave and we sing, what happens? What happens there? 

Tava Baird: It sounds like a grand experiment. Well, especially, 'cause it sounds like he's talking about that caves [00:51:00] may be places of coming and going too. And you know, a lot of times I think of a cave as like a dead end, but it certainly doesn't sound like that.

I mean, at the beginning of our last podcast, he talks about arriving. There and hearing the voices of welcome and the water dripping down the walls, and like he's just, boom, he's there. Which, and saying that they're, what was he said about natural alters? I, now I gotta find it. Hes are holy places.

They contain altars to what lies under the surface. They are the birthplace of stones and mystery. So if we're looking, at a cave as a womb of the earth, if you were to go in, like imagine the salt that was in that cave you guys were in at one point, some of that salt was mined and sent out into the world, right?

So it's not just salt there, it's carrying the [00:52:00] vibration of. Everything that was starting to come in, everything that inhabited that cave as well. And if the salt was very, very purifying, you're gonna have probably energetic beings hopping in and out to cleanse themselves and balance energies and things that are healed as that cave is formed.

And then that energy from that cave, people are sprinkling it on their french fries. I, I mean, this may take a while to digest. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. There are a lot of aspects of what he had said. Yeah. 

Tava Baird: Well. Okay. In Ireland and Scotland, I believe it's both places. There are caves that they have discovered and one of them is described.

I think the one in Northern Ireland is described as like Ireland's gate to hell. And [00:53:00] that cave was seen as not belonging to earth and not belonging to the other realm. These caves were dedicated to the Morgan and they believed that Celtic warriors were sent into them to train for battle 

Jennifer Taylor: and interesting.

And 

Tava Baird: if we look at into a lot of folklore, there's a lot of places where caves are seen as almost like a liminal space where they're not belonging to the earth. They're this hidden realm that bestow. A magical, otherworldly energy on those who visit. And there are holy caves dedicated to different entities.

And, 

Jennifer Taylor: and it makes sense, you know, the idea of a cave as a portal. I mean, when you, shamanic journey, a lot of times you would go in, you would maybe choose a cave and you would go into a cave [00:54:00] as a way of accessing the lower world, right? And the lower world in a lot of instances is really like the world where you would encounter the more earthly kinds of beings or, interact with your spirit animal or, to connect more deeply with the nature kinds of spirits and the guides and things like that, that are more earthly, but lower, not necessarily meaning, beneath 

 the lower world is really more of in shamonic terms is more of, a place of, pure safety. And the things that are, that you'll encounter there have, your highest good. Um, like the things are, there are enlightened or the enlightened version, so you could go down and like encounter the enlightened version of an animal, a plant or whatever.

Something that's in its full knowing there that the idea that a cave is again, yeah, it's another way that the cave has been used like as a [00:55:00] portal. 

Tava Baird: Yeah, a 

Jennifer Taylor: place that you would come and go from 

Tava Baird: a doorway or a gate. Really interesting stuff. 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh my goodness. And that painting then that I made, that was, that he said was the gateway to the crystal cave and to use it wisely.

Tava Baird: What are you supposed to do with that then? 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. How big is, how big is 

Tava Baird: it? 

Jennifer Taylor: It's big. It's like, it's that huge one that's, yeah, it's like three or four feet, I think it's like six feet by four feet. It's massive. Don't even, it's the one you paints currently own a vehicle large enough to get to move it in.

Tava Baird: That's the one you painted in the garden? 

Jennifer Taylor: Yes. 

Tava Baird: Okay. That this brings a whole nother aspect to it. It does. Because does that was the one where you went out. When, I mean you had an entire experience creating that painting. Do you have written down, I know you must, [00:56:00] you must have documented it. 'cause you, I remember you writing it down.

Jennifer Taylor: I, I'm, I know at least there's a 

Tava Baird: Marco. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, I'm sure I wrote it down somewhere because Yeah. I had gone out into, yeah, I went out into the garden. I had all this paint, there was all this inspiration all of a sudden of like, I have to, I have to do this, and I'm, and I, I would just mark on you. I'm like, I'm going right this second.

I just turned around, drove out to the, the store, bought this giant canvases, bought all this paint, took it straight down to the garden, and yes. Was like,barefoot and painted this whole painting with, I was playing all of the chara dance music and going through each of the. Each of the chakras.

Yes, yes. And I was just covering and I painted the whole painting with my body, like with my bare hands covered in the paint and my forearms and everything just covered in the paint. And I danced it. I like embodied the energy of these chakras and I danced [00:57:00] it onto the canvas and Yeah. And painted it with my body as the, as the brushes.

Tava Baird: Is there any way to find, I would, I would love to know if we open up those notes now. 'cause that was what, a year ago in June or something? It was a, it a month ago wasn't it? May even been, 

Jennifer Taylor: it may have even been further away from, like longer than that. 

Tava Baird: I would it love to read those notes two years and see if any of this stuff is getting echoed in there.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna have to do that. I'm gonna make one little Hail Mary attempt to find it. Um, 

Tava Baird: I was painting in the garden. I know there were Marcos about it. 'cause I remember, and then I remember coming over to your house, we recorded a podcast at, it's the one we did in person at your house. And I saw the painting that day.[00:58:00] 

Jennifer Taylor: Yes. Um,

I,

all right, dancing the tree. 

Tava Baird: I'm so curious to know.

Jennifer Taylor: Let's see. How can I search? Alright, let's see if we can. All right. Find 

Tava Baird: Big Mama Jamba painting. 

Jennifer Taylor: Crystal Cave.

Tava Baird: Yeah. It was back when you were getting ready to make all the chakra dance [00:59:00] videos.

Jennifer Taylor: I have a file of Sam Iel messages. Let me, let me look in this, because I'm sure, I know he said something about the Crystal Cave, and I know I would've written it. 

Tava Baird: I kept thinking it was like last year in June, and I don't know why I'm thinking that other than the weather would've been right for it.

 So how to kind of pull this together. So, okay, so we have, we, we've gone from stones and ritual tools and caves into, and some power of story there, but now [01:00:00] it's bringing us back around to that painting.

And so I think that's the mystery we're going to end up ending on this week. How does the painting relate to the Crystal Cave? What exactly is the Crystal Cave? Does it have, is he just talking about, where ritual tools come from, or is the cave somehow related to what we were talking about in the last episode of creating a place?

He talked about approaching the Temple of Song and being unseeing and being bathed in sound, and I'm really curious if caves are a natural amplifier, if there's a connection between all of this cave and stone talk and this. You are [01:01:00] approaching the temple of Song and you need to be able to see things through new eyes.

So we deprive you of them for a time. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And in a cave, it's dark. Yeah. your sight is completely gone and you ha and it's an echo chamber. it's a, um, a completely sonic resonance kind of chamber where you are going within. Yeah. I am really interested in this.

Tava Baird: I also, when I googled the, the organ, it, there was a whole history on how they made it, but there are recordings of the organ playing and you were talking about a sound healing session in a cave. I am now really curious to look up some of those recordings and see what they sound like. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, if we can find those, we will attach those in the, in [01:02:00] the show notes to this.

There are videos online so you can hear. Yeah. And we'll definitely leave, um, put an attachment for the, in the show notes for that, the caverns there so that you can see what, uh, Tava was reading about and what I was apparently singing with. 

Tava Baird: Yes. There, there are, like, I could see there's like at least three or four little YouTube videos and one of the descriptions said they used to sell recordings in the gift shop.

Oh, wow. So 

I'm really curious to see what this sounds like. Yeah. 'cause it would've been a recording in made in the cave with the organ playing and he's going very quiet and smiley right now. I get the feeling like we're being walked around the corner of something to look at something that is a connection between the cave.

Healing energies, the sounds in the caves, and the idea of the cave as a holy place where [01:03:00] things come and go. And it's a liminal space in between. And, uh, I think we may have to work on connecting these dots next time. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, I look forward to that. We may have to make a mystical musings field trip to, the caves to hear these organs 

Tava Baird: that the guy who invented it, he was apparently a mathematician and like.

A really smart guy and they had talked about the whole process that he did, but he used to sit in there and play it and they say now it's set up so that the, it's created electronically. You know, like, yeah. That nobody has to be sitting there. I, I'm pretty sure I was 

Jennifer Taylor: there when an actual human was playing the, the organ.

Wow. Okay. So I am going to do a, a quick song here to try to maybe bring us back down to earth with all of this. You would think all the cave talk would have us really grounded, but I'm definitely super expanded. Um, 

yep. We'll need a salt back. I am 

hesitant [01:04:00] to ask, but does Sam have a recommendation? 

Tava Baird: He says sing what brings you Joy.

Jennifer Taylor: I appreciate that. Okay, I'm gonna switch things real quick. I.[01:05:00] [01:06:00] 

 It was 

Tava Baird: lovely. 

 it actually, I, I thought it was really neat because it sounded a little bit like an organ to me at times. Really? Yeah. I was like, oh, this is really neat. 

Jennifer Taylor: Interesting. Yeah. I was holding my stones from the mountain there in Vermont and asking it to just wrap us in that energy [01:07:00] and the solidity of Yes.

You know, mountain and ground us and bring us back full circle to a grounded place. 

Tava Baird: And Samuel just had a few last sentences. Where are the caves inside you? What creatures that cannot bear revelation shelter in their darkness. What treasure have you hidden there and how do you tell the difference? 

Jennifer Taylor: Ooh.

Wow. Well, nothing like leaving us on the light 

Tava Baird: notes. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. There's the start of a, a whole different series. 

Tava Baird: Yes. Yes. Wow. So, oh, well. Well, thank you so much, Jen. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. Thank you, Tava. Thank you. Samuel, thank you to all of the spirits of place that have been guiding and supporting us. And Michael, as [01:08:00] always. Yes.

And thank you to all of our listeners who have held on here with us to the end of this very unconventional kind of, episode where we've been a little bit all over the place, but You get to be here, right here with us as we're at the very foundation of discovery of a whole lot of really interesting, magical things.

I 

Tava Baird: think we need to title this episode. Spelunking.

Jennifer Taylor: Metaphysical Spelunking. 

Tava Baird: Metaphysical Spelunking. I don't know how to spell it, but we'll figure it out. Thanks so much for tuning in everybody. 

Jennifer Taylor: Take care. 

Tava Baird: Take care, and walk with Blessings.