Nature Spirits, Deep Listening, and Cooperative Creation with Liz Jacobs, Part 2

In this episode of Mystical Musings Podcast, hosts Tava Baird and Jennifer Taylor continue their profound conversation with Liz Jacobs. The discussion deepens as Jennifer shares her discovery of an unexpected type of beings, soul parts working in spiritual synergy and her cautious exploration.  Samael shares his perspective as well, and Liz and Tava share their wisdom around the ethical considerations of creating spiritual beings, and the role of nature in connecting to the divine. Liz shares transformative personal stories, including the creation of her first nature spirit and the impact of her shamanic training. The episode emphasizes the importance of mindfulness and ethical practice in spiritual work, while providing practical guidance for those interested in deepening their spiritual connections. 

00:00 Introduction and Song Prelude
00:40 Powerful Holy Fire Reiki Master Techniques 
02:10 Exploring Spirit Attachments

03:26 Intro Clearing Song to Release Attachments
09:30 Understanding Crone and Collective Souls
19:36 The Concept of Kymera
30:46 Ethics in Magical Practices
42:00 The Importance of Gut Instincts
44:15 Connecting with Nature Spirits
45:02 Exploring the Wilder Grove Shop
46:00 Upcoming Events and Gatherings
46:36 Liz's Journey and Inspirations
47:41 The Origin Story of Fairy Houses
52:21 A Transformative Shamanic Experience
58:51 Creating and Sharing Nature Spirits
01:02:24 Final Reflections and Gratitude

Resources mentioned in order

Peace and Release: 

free streaming : https://www.amnivara.com/recordings

Book Recommended by Liz: The Calling by Rasha https://a.co/d/05VNRTmc

See Liz's Nature Beings and shop: https://www.wildergrove.com/shop

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We are two friends sharing personal experiences and evolving perspectives as we learn and grow. This is not a substitute for your own discernment, inner wisdom, or qualified professional guidance.

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Tava Baird:   tavabaird.com or https://darkflowerbooks.etsy.com.

Jennifer Taylor:  Amnivara (previously Willow Ridge Reiki and Healing Arts)           https://www.Amnivara.com/

Transcript

S3Ep20 Nature Spirits, Deep Listening, and Cooperative Creation with Liz Jacobs, Part2

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Jennifer Taylor (2): Thank you so much for joining us again this week for another episode of Mystical Musings Podcast and part two of this really wonderful conversation with Liz Jacobs.

before we get started, since this conversation was split in two, I wanted to be sure and start off as we always do with a song. And so for this, I chose to use Piece and Release, which is something that I have both streaming on my website and also on band camp.

Because it is really, really powerful and really helpful. So in this, there are many layers of, holy Fire, reiki spirit release in it. And it helps to clear away and lift away energies that may have been hanging around 

And it's time for them to move on. Any that are not respecting your free will and [00:01:00] your sovereignty. and then also anything that you just feel like they're just thought forms or energies that are around that are not feeling good to you, you can just kind of mentally point them out, as we go through this song and the.

Amazing host of angels and divine beings that are going to be coming in for this will help to lift those away and clear things away. So there's so much clutter and energetic dust bunnies that we pick up during the day and throughout our lives that this can really help to release those.

And if you feel like you want to return to this you can just go to, Amnivara.com, A-M-N-I-V-A-R a.com and under. Healing sound. it's on there and it's streaming for free and it's on repeat, so you can even just put it on in the background and let it work to help [00:02:00] to lighten the load that you carry because it really, really can.

so I thought it might be nice to just Clear away everything before we go into our conversation today. And healing spirit attachments in this particular way of doing it is something that you actually receive the ability to do and learn the technique in the Holy Fire Reiki Masterclass, as well as Karuna Reiki master.

If someone already has their reiki master in some other lineage, you can take Karuna, Get nine more really powerful reiki symbols and the ability to do this technique as well. So if you really benefit from it and you're like, I wanna be able to do this, I wanted to let you know how you can access that.

and actually I've written an article about how absolutely life changing this technique has been for my personal family and life. You can access that, article on my website also, and I'll put a link to that. it's just on the tabs under [00:03:00] articles, but I'll put a direct link to that as well if you're interested. So I hope that it's really as helpful and beneficial to you as it has been to me.

And feel free to contact me if you have any questions. I hope that you enjoy this and that it is hugely beneficial 

So without further ado, here is peace and release. And then we will just go right into our conversation right where we left off last week. 

[00:04:00] Overtone flute, shruti box, and channeled vocals - along with multiple laters of Holy [00:05:00] Fire®️Spirit Release with the [00:06:00] volume [00:07:00] [00:08:00] [00:09:00] down below audible levels )

Jennifer Taylor (2): So I've been thinking about this a lot, and sitting with, these questions , ever since initially wanting to have this conversation with you.

And it took us a couple months to get to this because of schedules And in that time I was doing a lot of. asking the universe, asking Archangel Michael, asking Crone, just, in a very broad open kind of way, help me to understand this. Like, how is it [00:10:00] that there's this like, collection of beings within Crohn And 

I realized that hearing you talk about your process and all the different kinds of beings that have come through that it's not necessarily the same, process that's getting repeated each time. there's definitely a being a consciousness, a life that comes in and habits that, but that it's not necessarily the same process or the same kind of energy or the same kind of being that comes in.

And so I'm realizing as I'm listening that I think a lot of the messages that I was receiving were pretty specific to maybe even just crone or maybe crone and shaman. But I'm interested to see what you guys think about this. So one of the things that really came up for me in the last several days was that.

I feel like Crohn is kind of a collection of souls working [00:11:00] together, and maybe that's part of the intensity of the feeling that comes through. Um, and I started thinking about that. I was like, okay, this is not my first experience with this when I think about it, there's a being named White Eagle who is actually 

a whole collection of souls of like ascended masters that are working together towards a similar purpose.

and really don't want to be identified as their individual selves at all. Just White Eagle like, our purpose is most important. And so we don't want you to get distracted by who we individually are. And it's not important. We don't need any sort of recognition.

We're all working together as White Eagle. and by choosing a name, and a form we are FAMILIAR with, it makes it easier for us to relate to them.And so I thought. Okay. Maybe that's part of what's going on with, you know, being like likeone, like And [00:12:00] this morning, I was talking to her and asking her, and I feel like she said that she was a soul group given a form 

And essentially the different individual souls were coming together and They all had a sort of a shared, purpose and goal, and that they wanted to come together. And that what you had created then brought together these individual energies, and I'd used the word energies and I'd gotten, no, it was souls to work together.

And they still want to be, seen as, crone where I can relate to them specifically. But in this instance, when I was looking at it, I was like, you know, there's this tiny little acorn, there's a tiny little, like pine cone that's probably not from pine, but from something else.

Liz Jacobs: Hemlock? It's a 

Jennifer Taylor (2): hemlock. Hemlock. Hemlock. Oh, that is really good to know. Um, and there's this [00:13:00] little vine and, all of these different things. And I got the sense that 

they wish to be seen as a whole, but have their individual components recognized. Like for us to see that, Oak and, hemlock. 

these different little partswould like, just the slightest bit of just recognition of who they are and what they bring, but they're all working together. Um, but that was really the part that's probably most salient to share from it. But I thought I would see what you guys thought about that.

Liz Jacobs: So I have a couple thoughts. Um, there's a book that I read ages ago called the Calling, and there is something about what you said that resonates with me, based on what I read in that book. Um, and if I tell you what they said in the book, I'm afraid I will spoil it for you. But it is not a story, it is a channeled book.

Uh, and so I will, I can send you the link to it [00:14:00] so that you can take a look at it. Our yourself. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. 

Liz Jacobs: But they refer to themselves as we, and so, that came immediately to mind and it, the book that the book is life changing. so it might be something for you to look at. the other thing that I wonder is whether the pieces that you refer to the piece, the hemlock cone and the Acorn and the little, staff that is the vine and all those sorts of things, could they possibly be archetypes of various things?

Like what's the archetype of an acorn? What's the archetype of this hemlock cone and so forth? And are they maybe the collective working together somehow? so that's something to, I don't know whether that. Resonates for you, but it's certainly something to sort of mull around and see if that comes to anything for you.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, that's [00:15:00] definitely something to sit with for sure. 

Tava Baird: When you were talking about that, there were a couple of things that popped into my mind, and I might have the timeline wrong. 

so the first thing that it made me think of was, you know, I work with Asrael when I'm doing bone casting and I have difficulty hearing asrael like, actually in words or anything like that because Azrael is always like a voice overlapping with itself.

When Azrael actually speaks, it's like this echo and it'll make you crazy. So I can't talk to Azrael directly. And Jennifer Gerland, who has since worked, and this was all since fertile ground gathering, like that was the first time Ezra came through to me. That was, shortly after that Ezra showed up with her.

but Jennifer has a theory that Asrael is not one entity. The collective voices of souls that are [00:16:00] passing through to the beyond. Oh yeah. And that the entity that we think of, well, whereas we tend to go, oh, that's an angel. That Azrael is more like a gate or it's a name for the dead that are moving.

And I'm probably not doing a grit. think Jennifer Gerland actually said it was like all of the dead. Um, so I found that interesting. So that was the first thing that jumped in. The second thing was, I think right before we went down in September to this event, and maybe this might be where my timeline is wrong, but there was a series conversations that we had over Marco Jen, where you had had some dreams.

There was one specific dream I remember where you were talking about everybody that you worked with picks up a fragment of your energy and you pick up a fragment of theirs. Mm-hmm. Right? So that's one of the ways over time that we ourselves [00:17:00] have our unique collections of energy that, because, you know, before we met Liz, meeting Liz has forever changed our life because now we carry some of Liz's energy forward.

And before I met you, Jen, we were different people. You know now as we learn from each other and we grow and we're in each other's spheres. and we were having conversations about being able to access each other's guides and each other's skills and talents because of the energy exchange of working with each other.

That we're not as isolated as we think we are. And if we extrapolate that out to nature, right? So if nature, according to Samo at least being in nature is as close to touching the divine as you can get. Then this being that's got hemlock and stone, and acorn in it is holding all of those [00:18:00] energies in one place and it's holding a fragment of Liz's energy.

Liz Jacobs: Mm-hmm. 

Tava Baird: And it's holding, you know, the trees, I mean, when we look at, a forest, the trees are individual trees, but they've done studies that show that they communicate underground through the roots. Right. So they are a collective, yet they are individual. And so I'm also wondering when you experience crone, if you are picking up on all of these energies that are coming forward in this unique way as Crone, and that's where we're get, you're, we're getting this tremendous feeling of power.

Off of her. And I mean, boy, I mean, I have never had, when we had her in the booth that day, I just remember us rearranging everything because Crohn had decided where Crohn was sitting, and that was where Crohn was sitting, and we were making sure nothing was going to get near her because she [00:19:00] had work to do.

And so these were just sort of things that popped into my mind, this idea of as we become closer to the divine and we become closer to nature and we recognize more about our divine selves, we realize that although we are a unique mix of energies, those energies are always evolving based on who we come into contact with.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, I think there's so many different possibilities and elements and probably pieces of all of it that could be what's happening It's interesting. The other thing that it was brought up to me, and I can't remember if we've mentioned it at all on the podcast, but there was this idea of Chimera that has come up in my kind of personal spiritual journey in the last couple months.

that has come up multiple times and in lots of different ways. 

And by kymera I [00:20:00] mean a being that is composed of different animals or plants.

I came across a group of people who are teaching a course on Alchemy, and they were talking about, at some point in it, how you learn to create kymera, which are, on, the astral plane. and working with them, towards, you know, whatever intended purpose 

And so I just became aware of that as even being a thing, just a couple months ago and kept really sitting with like, is this okay? is that an okay thing to do? I was really wrestling with that. 

And shortly after that, I actually had an experience while I was working in sacred space in my garden and I was working with the guides of Omni Vara and this little, the hybrid like creature just sort of showed up and crawled up, climbed up my arm, and ran up my arm. And I'm like, whoa, whoa. What is happening?

[00:21:00] And, it gave me its name. And, I later learned that it was actually something that I had created or brought into being in another lifetime. And it was here to work with me again. And I was really, somehow for some reason, really uncomfortable with this. And I've been very resistant to it, even though I've been told now on multiple occasions, by multiple guides that I trust that this is okay.

And 

crone really specifically addressed that with me this morning of like, you know, you made him, why would you move away from the very thing that you sought to discover?

And I'm like, what are you talking about? And it was that being So when I was going through the, you know, is this okay? I didn't even make the connection at all to your process and the fact that we were about to have this podcast at the time when I was asking this.

And then I realized later on, I was like, oh, well of course, like here's just another little thing that could be [00:22:00]connected. you know, 'cause I'm like, is it ethical if I'm creating something to work with me in this other realm, is it sort of like a servant or slave or something?

Like, is this all right? And, she said, 

we're bringing together energies for a common purpose and allowing them to fulfill that purpose while they are working in concert with me. And that you know, it's not evil, it's cooperation. You know, that the beings that came together or the energies that came together to be this unique being was kind of the same sort of thing.

This group. Of energies that were coming together or souls that were coming together in order to work together, kind of like white Eagle or like, OTHER groups of beings that work together as one and go by a specific name, That it was like it's not being done like against their will.

So today's episode has been a wild and crazy ride to try to edit because I realized [00:23:00] that when I was trying to articulate these things Because I had such a concern about saying something in the wrong way or not being understood properly, or that maybe somehow I had done something wrong in this other life, it was really a disaster of me trying to talk.

So there are a lot of little edits and things and lots of parts that I've added in here to clarify for your sake so that you can actually get something that sounds even remotely coherent. But poor Liz and Tava did not get the benefit of that during this podcast, so know that, what they were responding to was much more of a jumble of bits and pieces of thoughts.

Um, as a result of that, after we finished talking and Liz got off. I stayed on and talked to Tava a little bit, trying to sort of explain where it was that I was coming from and why I had said some of the things that I said. And so this is a little piece [00:24:00] of the conversation that we had, and I'm including it because Sam Iel 

specifically comments on the coming together and creation of beings like the kymera. and on the coming together of, souls or sub souls and, To create these new beings with consciousness, and so I really wanted you to have the benefit of that, but just know this was not actually happening in this part of the conversation.

And then we'll kind of go right back to it.

Tava Baird: Let me see if this makes sense. He said they are fragments, energy said to assist much in the same way that I am more than one place. So I think he's trying to say, yeah, yeah, this is good. It's fine. You're not. Creating something whole cloth and enslaving it, that there are entities that have lent some of their energy to the construction and building of [00:25:00] Amnivaraa, and the gathering of that energy has made an entity sort of like you were talking about White Eagle or your idea with crone, that there's multiple pieces coming together, but it's created out of.

Other beings that are sending their energies to unite and assist. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): and actually the acorn was one of the Components of CRONE! where it's not that it's the entire soul of the entire tree, 

Tava Baird: right? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): But like an acorn a piece of it that is being offered 

That's coming together. 

Tava Baird: So like the other night we were talking about, we both had lessons from Samuel on the same night, right? He's is was probably sending pieces of his own energy into our dream states. They were operating as him and they made themselves recognizable as him. They are not. All of him, you know, and when he talks about that we leave [00:26:00]fragments of our energy in places.

At times, these are directed pieces from beings that want to help. But just like we are a gathering of energies, these energies have come together to create a being that is born out of those who want to assist in the construction of Omni. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Crone said. Sub souls, subcategories of souls. I think that's 

Tava Baird: I think that's what that might mean.

So I think in this case, you have entities that recognize what Amnivara is, that are extremely powerful, that want to lend a hand, and it's sort of like they're all contributing some energy towards it. And then it manifests as this collection of energies. which makes sense with what you were talking about with Crone.

Crone is a collection of energies that have taken on their own personality and make their own choices. and [00:27:00] it's a way of all of these parent entities to lend their energy to a purpose without them having to confer because their intention comes together in alignment. Sort of like, I guess being given a familiar, you know, like a familiar is, it's another entity, but you don't enslave a familiar, they choose to come and work with you, you know?

Jennifer Taylor (2): Right. 

Tava Baird: So, yeah, I much in the way that I am, more than one place. I think he's talking about, you know, he remains, Samael. Samael is also part of the all, but Samuel can also fraction himself off and be in different realities at once doing different things. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, 

Tava Baird: it's a lot. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, because it, what she said this morning was.

I asked her [00:28:00] to tell me about herself and others like her. And she said, soul group given a form. I said, what else can you tell me about like you and the purpose and all that stuff? And she said, , you do not need to know. All underneath the surface lies a whole world of opportunity just waiting to be discovered.

And she said she was specifically talking to me. And it's a deep in the earth. There are mysteries to be awakened. Sub souls, subcategories of souls. specific to you are a group called the Magi. They govern the rise and fall of magical current that you will use to exemplify the faith you seek.

And then she was like, why would you move away from all this stuff? and I'm like, are you talking about? the Being named Magic eye. And then I realized , I think deep down I'm scared that I'd like done something wrong, you know, that like, I'd done something. It was like, no.

Tava Baird: You're like, wait, am I responsible for a whole nother being and where did it come from? Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. and like, I don't know what I was like in the lifetime that I did that. Like was that a good thing? Was that a bad thing? So 

Tava Baird: I think there's [00:29:00] so much enthusiasm for Amnivara to rise that there are different people who've all said sort of like they're each contributing a dollar to your GoFundMe, and then in the end you have this kitty of, except it's energetic, you know, now you have a force that you can put into propelling something forward.

That force just happens to have its own. Thoughts and personality and things like that. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Right. 

Tava Baird: Until such time as they decide to disassemble it or it's not needed, or it decides to disassemble itself, I imagine. 

yeah. Yeah, yeah. 

I think I get now more what you were talking about.

Jennifer Taylor (2): and now back to the conversation. It's all a matter of following and COMING together. Just like Tava did really with creating the whole community around the blue ball in, you know, you went around at that metaphysical fair and started saying, Hey, who's interested in coming back and seeing if we can't raise money [00:30:00]for this end?

let's see what we can do. And people that were aligned with that, that were like, yes, this is exactly in alignment with the type of thing that I've been trying to do with the type of work that I'm trying to do. This is something that I'm interested in. And, you know, in creating this community then that is supporting the blue ball in it was sort of seemed like I was being, I was given this a similar sort of thing know of where like energies or souls or spirits that are wanting to work towards a common goal and are already aligned with that.

It's a bringing together of them so that they can work in fulfillment of that in concert. With, me or whoever it is that, they would end up working with. 

Tava Baird: I think there is a big difference when we look at magical practice between, assembling things ethically and what other people sometimes do specifically in certain magical practice with [00:31:00] assembling things for power.

you know, at the Blue Ball in, I would argue that I didn't create anything. What I did was put out a call and then saw who answered the call. And when Liz brings through these spirits, she's putting out a call, Hey, I'm here and available to help you manifest. When they answer the call or she answers their call, we don't really know which way.

I mean, me, Liz probably knows better. Yeah. You know, I do run across people in various veins of magical practice that want to conjure things or create things for their own gain, and that's a completely different type of creation and one I would not recommend at all. 

Liz Jacobs: Yeah. 

Tava Baird: You know? 

Liz Jacobs: Yeah. I agree with that.

And to take it another step, I would say that the kind of energy that, is too eager to [00:32:00] join, is something to be cautious of. because you don't understand everything all of its motives, so to speak. Just like when you open a community, and humans, join that community, those who are too eager or too something, you get that sense in your gut.

You know, if you really open up, you know the difference between somebody who is genuine and somebody who's in it for themselves and somebody who has ulterior motives. The same thing can be said for other energies that are, you know, perhaps unseen and just felt. And so it is as important, if not more so to be able to be in a place personally where you are centered and grounded and.

Open in a place where you're safe, in sacred space, so that you can recognize those energies and understand where they're coming from so that you can say, I will not bring that energy in here because it doesn't [00:33:00] mesh with what I'm trying to accomplish. Or, yes, I will accept this energy and bring it forth because it is what I am working with and what I am attempting to build.

Uh, you know, and it is our responsibility as practitioners who are working with energies to bring them forward, to recognize the difference and to be ethical, like Ava was saying, about how we use them. And, if there is a being that I bring forward that doesn't feel right, I will not finish it.

You know, or I will set it aside and it just will sit there because there's something about it that's not working right. and so I feel like it's, it is definitely worth having that conversation of this isn't just a bunch of energies that I'm throwing together. This is a very deliberate and mindful process that requires.

Constant mindfulness and focus and understanding of the energies that are coming in. And the only way to do that [00:34:00] is to be in that centered and grounded place so that you can check in with yourself constantly and be aware of what those feelings are, like, you know, to see whether it's harmful or, you know, if there's a problem somewhere, you're gonna know about it and you can do something to mitigate it or to dismiss it or to welcome it, and any of those things.

I think that's, that is probably the most important thing about working with those energies that we're bringing in, at any kind of work like this. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. And I'm so glad that both of you pointed that out. Because you're right. and that was kind of the concern, was that coming at it from the wrong angle or perspective.

But the, greater part of the conversation and what we were bringing through was that that's not what I was doing. That's not what I had done in the past life when I had brought together this being. . That's not what you guys were doing. It was a result of deep listening and a following the guidance [00:35:00] of the guides that I know and trust like , Archangel Michael and I think it was my own internal alarms of the fear of doing exactly what you guys were saying, the fear of like creating something out of like, I'm gonna play God, or 

But it was like, no, that's not what's happening. But I think I'm so cautious in all of the things that I'm doing as far as any new energies or beings that I'm working with or anything that comes in. 

I feel it's like I have all these mental trip wires set everywhere so that I'm not going to get snowed, I'm not gonna get LED in the wrong direction. And so I think what I was being shown was that those were going off. It was like those alarms were set off out of my own fear of that that's what had happened. .

But I love the way that each of you articulated that exact point, which is the thing that I was trying to make sure this isn't happening. I'm not doing this, this isn't what I'm being told to do. And the message was overwhelmingly like, really? Why like, do you seriously [00:36:00] think that that's where you are?

you've only followed exactly what, we've laid out for you. why are you having all these fears? And then I realized that's where they were coming from. So I'm so glad that you guys pointed that out so that it didn't come out that I was advising that anyone else do that either.

Liz Jacobs: Yeah. And 

I think there's a difference between somebody who just goes straight in and doesn't have those questions and doesn't check themselves. there's a level of, Uh, I can't think of the word.

Um, probably 'cause I don't spend a lot of time in that space. Um, there's a lot of egotism that is related to a person who doesn't have those questions, who doesn't check themselves and just goes head on and does these things without making sure, whereas even though the answer was no, of course not, you had to check because that's responsible and you are the kind of person who would check and be responsible.

And to some [00:37:00] degree, perhaps that is why you have been given the gift of being able to do those things. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, I would hope so. I I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah, I, 

Tava Baird: I completely agree. Um, in my opinion, manifestation is the one of the highest magics we have in this realm when you're bringing something that is unseen into being or transforming something that is seen into something else.

And if you know your magical history, you know, that history is riddled with, and there are lots and lots of books out there that, are either, people who want to summon an entity, and they're doing it purely for power. And, when you are trying to bring through, you know, you see it in Demonology, you see it in necromancy, you see where they're literally just trying to bring through an entity and bend it to [00:38:00] their will.

And, we never want to do that. First off, it's dangerous. It's bad practice. It's unethical, and it's insanely shortsighted because if you are going to bring through an unseen energy and try to enslave it, well, baby, you're gonna be unseen one day when you leave this body. And how would you like someone to do that to you or someone who attempt to do it to someone you love?

And unfortunately, there are loads and loads and loads of magical texts full of this trash out there. if you get into the research, and, we do have to be very careful with what's eager to come through. I have, in my, my, doll rescue adventures have multiple times run into, uh, a little thing that's going, take me home, take me home, take me home, take me home to, and I go, you know what?

I acknowledge that you're there. [00:39:00] I hope your path is a good one. And, uh, I don't feel like myself when I stand close to you and I feel like my judgment is, is getting fuzzy. I'm walking away and just like we do, when you first go out into the dating scene and it's hard to tell who are the good ones and who are the ones that just want something from you.

Yeah. 

Liz Jacobs: You 

Tava Baird: know? Yeah. Before you manifest a relationship with anything seen or unseen, you have to move cautiously and take precautions and get to know them. And I think we have, that's one thing to be really careful of, especially in our community, is I cannot tell you every time I open up social media and there's a million people offering to do shadow work for other people when we know darn well that their own shadow work is not in order.

Right. Right. And, things come up in these deep magics, in this deep psychological work that, just because you want to be seen [00:40:00] as that type of practitioner doesn't mean you're prepared to handle it. and we have to be cautious. We have to move carefully. And, I think it's, if you have the thought, am I being careful enough?

You're probably being careful enough. It's the people who want to make a name for themselves that we have to watch out for a lot of times. 

Liz Jacobs: I agree with that. 100%. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): And I know actually it wasn't too long ago that we had a podcast where there were a bunch of beings that were, I think we were, I called it like all that glitters because you know, like all that glitters isn't gold kind of thing.

Where there were all these beings that had come in that were, were like, whoa, what is that sound? What is happening? That were all wanting attention? And after sorting through and actually turning during the podcast, I believe turning and meeting them and seeing who was there afterwards, I had to sort through, okay, who is in alignment with what it is that I'm doing right now and is, is the best for me to be working with and who isn't?

[00:41:00] And it was the ones that felt so overwhelming. The second Michael was like, okay, I'll move that barrier if you want me to. And it was like, oh my gosh. Okay. No. put it back, put it back that, you know, it's, I think for people that are trying to sort out maybe we went, we were drawn into this part of the conversation in order to help give people ideas of what to look for or what you might want to think twice on.

For me, part of that was that intense eagerness, like bowl you over eagerness as opposed to, Hey, this is something that I'm offering. And if you're in alignment with that, that's wonderful. I'm happy to teach you. If not, completely respecting your free will and wanting it to be your individual.

Decision as opposed to, I want you to do it so badly that you feel overwhelmed by the other being the other energies, enthusiasm for it. That, for me was definitely a red flag. [00:42:00]

Liz Jacobs: Yeah. You know, it's really interesting that we've come full circle to the very beginning when we were talking about the wildness.

And one of the things, the reasons I think that being wild, a little bit wild is so important, uh, is, I I took a, series of classes, years ago, about becoming the wild wise. You know, they talk about the maiden mother and crone and this woman, who was teaching these series proposed that between the mother and the crone, there was the wild wise, who is somebody who, is no longer a mother, but hasn't become a Crone yet, and is in that place where she's no longer a feral child.

She's now wilder because she's learned her lessons, but wiser because she's learned her lessons. And so there's this sense of coming back to yourself and giving yourself permission to be this. A little bit wilder. And that's kind of where this idea for the Wilder path came [00:43:00] from. so coming back around what you were talking about, Jennifer, is the idea that when we are back in that wild state, we pay more attention to what's going on in our bodies, right?

If we spend too long in our minds, we can talk ourselves out of pretty much anything. We can talk ourselves into pretty much anything. But if we pay our attention to our gut, into our bodies and go, what is my body trying to tell me? We will know without a shadow of a doubt. No, this feels wrong, or, yes, this feels right, and we can tell the difference.

And so if we pay attention to that and notice it and tell our brains what our bodies are feeling, it becomes a lot easier to act on those things instead of, you know, trying to work against that and use our brains only to sort of overanalyze or make excuses and justifications for things. So I, I love that we just came right back around to the beginning.

I 

Jennifer Taylor (2): [00:44:00] love how you connected it all back to that, that's 

Tava Baird: beautiful and I, I can't believe it, but our last podcast was about listening to the belly and the gut and your instincts. Um, the one we literally just. are about to put out this week. 

Liz Jacobs: Oh, wonderful. 

Tava Baird: So it's so funny that you came back around to in bulk in the belly and that, that fire there and all of that, there's Liz just pulling it all together for us.

The same way you pull together the stones and the wood and, and the feathers and all of that. Yeah. Um, is we can absolutely put, we've done this before. We can put pictures up, like of my, on my website. Okay. And have a link so people wanna see what Chrome looks like, or any of those we could.

But is there anywhere else, like if people are interested in reaching out to you to have, an entity, to see if there's somebody there for them, how can they access, these [00:45:00] little spirits that you pulled together? 

Liz Jacobs: So, if people go to the Wilder Grove website, and go to the shop, there will be various places there.

We don't sell a lot of different things. Um. Among them are the spirit beings that I've already created. And also a place where people can place an order for a bespoke nature spirit. and so, they can look at pictures of ones that I've already created as examples. And also there are some examples in the place where I have, taken pictures of the ones that I've created for individuals specifically.

Uh, some of those pictures are also of ones that I've created for specific ritual purposes of that I've done on my own. Uh, and I will continue to upload images as I've created things. so the Wilder Grove Shop is the best place to find those. 

Tava Baird: Wonderful. And we'll put a link for that in our, show notes so people can click and come [00:46:00] visit.

And then, folks, if you haven't met Liz in person before and would like to do so in May, there is a wonderful gathering. and Jen and I will also be there, as we'll. Keep. So if you, are starting to wonder about what you're going to do when all of this ice thaws and how you're going to celebrate the return of the warmer months at Beltane, fertile ground gathering is the way to go.

So we'll put a link to that in our comments as well. 

Liz Jacobs: Yes, 

Tava Baird: but. Liz, this has been so wonderful. Is there anything else you'd like to add before Jen goes to sing? 

Liz Jacobs: not that I can think of. It has been such an honor. I absolutely love doing this with you, and I'd be happy to come back anytime you ask.

Tava Baird: Oh, we'd love to have you back before Fertile Ground. 

Liz Jacobs: I'd love that. Wonderful. 

Tava Baird: It's so great. 

Liz Jacobs: Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. It was such a treat [00:47:00] to get to talk about my process and share a little bit about how I bring these little beings to life. So yeah. Thank you so much for all of that. 

Tava Baird: Oh, I'm just in awe.

Liz Jacobs: It's 

Tava Baird: couldn't be happier with Solstice in my life, so 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. I've been so excited to get to hear you talk about it more and tell more stories about it. 

Liz Jacobs: Yeah. At some point I'll tell you the story about how it all got started. I'd be happy to tell that story. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh, 

Tava Baird: you have a couple more minutes. I mean, if you, unless yeah, you don't have to go, we'll take it.

Liz Jacobs: Sure. I'll tell you. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. We Oh, I would love that. 

Liz Jacobs: Oh, sure. I'd be happy to. so let me see. years ago, many, many years ago at this point, kale and I were going to a ferry con in, Baltimore, and I wanted to see what all of the different, vendors were gonna be selling. And so I started looking on their websites, in advance so I would know which booths I wanted to go to, because I'm that crazy person.[00:48:00]

And I came upon this one person who made fairy houses, and they were so unique and beautiful. They were just, they were alive, these little fairy houses. And they were made of wall stones and, wooden. roofs and they were all wonky shaped and everything, and I just was in love and I said, I'm gonna take one of those home with me.

So we arrived at this booth and these two people who were at the booth were these magical beings that I just instantly fell connected to, and they felt the same way about me and Cael. their names were John and Bridget, and they lived in Oregon. and they were just magical, magical people. And as it turned out, we just connected and, started talking a lot.

And his name John was the one who made these fairy houses. And Bridget wrote stories to go along with each of these little houses. And, turned out that she was a practiced shaman [00:49:00] who had been trained by various shamans from all kinds of practices throughout the country or the world, I should say.

and I was fascinated. And at the time I was very, focused on my shamanic practice and I wanted to learn. And so after, we visited their booth and I did bring home one of those little fairy houses, I invited them to come to Teach at Fertile Ground Gathering. And they did. They came and they taught, how to connect to the ferry world through a portal, and it was so magical and impressive.

And so I got to spend more time with them. so this is the long version of the story. Please cut out anything that's too No, no, this is fine. Oh, no, I'm all about the long version. Okay, great. Um, and so we really connected and we became very close over that. they stayed with us, a day before fertile ground gathering, and then they, they stayed with us a couple of days after, before they flew back to Oregon.

[00:50:00] And so by the end of all of that, we were like family. And I asked, Bridget if she would teach me her shamanism, and she said, yes, I will teach you, but first you have to come and stay with me for a week, so that I can talk to you in person. I was like, pull my arm harder, you know? So I made arrangements and flew to Oregon to spend a week with them, and they lived in this 15 acre, piece of land in this tiny little cottage house that was just magical as can be.

And they had. A lot of open space that was like an orchard with apple trees and then a whole bunch of woods. And he had created pathways in the woods. Sound familiar? 

Tava Baird: Oh my God. Yeah. It sounds like your house. 

Liz Jacobs: Right? Exactly. so that's kind of where that all started too. He created all these pathways in the woods and little, altars everywhere.

And so, the first day that I was there, I [00:51:00] learned, I, he took me for a walk throughout all this pathways and everything. And you know, I was there to learn from Bridget, but secretly I also wanted to know how he built his ferry houses because I've always wanted to know that. And so they pointed out the back of the house past the orchard and there was this humongous mound of, I think they were honeysuckles like taller than a truck, high up huge mound.

And I was like, what's in there? And there was this door at the base of it magical. And they said, that's John's shop. And I was like, I've gotta see this. So it looked like maybe a small house's size Right. Which is big. but we went inside there and the first thing I saw was two steps down and a hole in the roof and the sun shining down through the hole and lighting up this fern that was growing there.

So I felt like I was entering another [00:52:00] world. It was incredible. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Wow. 

Liz Jacobs: And it kept going and going and going. So it was way bigger on the inside than it looked on the outside. And it was John's shop. And I felt like I was walking into Santa's workshop for fairies. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Wow. 

Liz Jacobs: I was just so in love with Oh my gosh.

And so as it turned out, Bridget was gonna put me through a series of experiences, basically a week long shamonic journey that, she decided that since I became so enamored with the process of the fairy house work, that for each day that I was doing my work, it represented a different part of myself.

And for each of those pieces of myself, I was to build one of the walls of my fairy house to represent that, be that part of myself. And there were three of them. [00:53:00] And so I have this fairy house still in my house. I'll show it to you the next time you're over. Oh 

Jennifer Taylor (2): wow. I would love to see it. 

Liz Jacobs: and so I learned the process of making these fairy houses while I was learning from Bridget about my shamanism in my this perspective.

and it was life changing. So moving on throughout this entire process. It was very deep, it was very, introspective. And on the last day she said, I want you to go into this spare bedroom and find materials to create something that represents, everything that you have experienced this entire week and bring it to me.

And I was like, okay. And so, being the nature girl that I am, that automatically resonated with me as fine pieces of nature. And so I started digging through. She said, you can use anything you want. You can go into John's shop and use any of his tools [00:54:00] and materials that you want. And I found a piece of driftwood in the box of stuff she pointed out to me and some feathers.

And then I went looking and I found some seed pods and a little stone and all of this stuff. And then I went into the shop to start creating. And wouldn't, you know, my very first nature spirit came through. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh wow. 

Liz Jacobs: And she was so beautiful. And I had my. My SLR camera with me. 'cause I wanted to take pictures of everything.

And the universe said, you are not allowed to take pictures of her because that would defeat the purpose. And I knew in the back of my head I was gonna have to burn her. I just knew it. So 

Jennifer Taylor (2): he, oh, 

Liz Jacobs: sitting with her and she asks me to tell her in front of her garden to explain the being to tell her all about what I made and what it represents and all of these things.

And in the back of my head, I'm like, she's gonna tell me to burn it. I just know it. I just know it. [00:55:00] So this little being had a little gray stone face and I was following along, I was doing exactly what I was asked to do. I had stepped so far outside my comfort zone the entire weekend on purpose.

And I knew that that was part of the whole purpose of my being there. So, I told her the whole story and she said, okay, we're gonna have a ceremony. So we went to their back deck where they had a chimney fire pit, and we did a ceremony and she sang a Native American song and used her drumming. And, uh, I had to throw her into the fire.

Oh. And it was heartbreaking. The next day when I was packing up to leave, she said, you are welcome to go to the fire pit. And collect some of the ashes if you would like, as a commemoration of what you created. And I said, yes, please. I would love to do that. And I'm digging around. And guess what? I [00:56:00] found?

The face, the stone face. It had turned white.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh. 

Liz Jacobs: And so, oh my God, that little face was the transformation that I had gone through. And the fact that I put her into the fire was me putting myself into the fire and coming out the other side, a whole different person. 

Tava Baird: I, that is the best freaking story I have ever heard. 

Liz Jacobs: Yeah. 

Tava Baird: I am so glad that we were like, do you have time to tell that?

Oh my God. 

Liz Jacobs: Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): That's so beautiful. 

Tava Baird: Oh, I felt that one man, having to put her in the fire. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I know. I just kept thinking. No. 

Liz Jacobs: Oh yeah. And I mean, you know, I was heartbroken, but I knew I was gonna, I just had prepared myself for it. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah, yeah, 

Tava Baird: yeah. 

Liz Jacobs: But the fact that I found her face and it was what it was just was [00:57:00] like, of this, of course.

Like it couldn't have been anything else. And so I was so grateful and it was what started all of this. And so I don't think I created another nature being for many years after that. but one day. The universe was like, it's time. And I sat down and I made one and it was beautiful. And she was cradling a pussy willow fuzzy.

And Oh, I'm gonna have to show her to you. Hold on. 

Tava Baird: Oh, wonderful. Yeah, we need to put pictures of these somewhere so they can see cron and solstice and shaman and Oh my God. We'll have to see that one with the 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I know. My heart is still like, oh, 

Tava Baird: I mean, 

Jennifer Taylor (2): yeah. 

Tava Baird: It just aches. Oh my gosh. These little vessels.

They, they mean so much, you know. 

Liz Jacobs: So if you can [00:58:00] see that her little baby is a little puy. Oh, oh. Sort of. 

Tava Baird: Oh, I love her. 

Liz Jacobs: She gorgeous. Oh, she is. And the, the little blanket that surrounds her is a, rose petal. 

Tava Baird: Oh 

Liz Jacobs: my gosh. And 

Tava Baird: it's not 

Liz Jacobs: really focusing very well, so I'll have to send photographs. Actually, she's 

Tava Baird: on the website.

Love photos. One of the 

Liz Jacobs: ones that's on my website. I thought 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I recognized her. I was like, wait, I think I've seen her. 

Liz Jacobs: Yeah. So she doesn't go anywhere. She belongs here with me. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yes. 

Liz Jacobs: But that was the first one I made since that was the first one after that, uh, experience that I made. And so she just lives here with me and keeps me company and reminds me of everything.

So, yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Wow. So how did you, we've come this far, how did you step from like creating her into like, what was the first one that you made for someone [00:59:00] else or that someone else ended up having? 

Liz Jacobs: Um, so I guess enough people saw them because they came visiting my studio and recognized that they were little beings that I was encouraged.

And one of my dearest friends from way back, we were 13 when we met, she was in love with them and she was like, oh my God, Liz, you have to make these and sell them, you know? And so I was encouraged by that. And, I think I made one as a Yule gift. We have a, a Yule tradition where we make a handmade gift and exchange it, with others in the community.

And so I made one as a Yule gift, and I think that was the first one I made for someone else. And from that point on, I just, people started asking me to make one for them, and it just sort of snowballed from there. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): I love it. 

Liz Jacobs: Yeah. 

Tava Baird: It's gonna take me a couple of days to get over that story. I mean, I mean.

Jennifer Taylor (2): That is so powerful. Yeah, 

Liz Jacobs: yeah. Yeah. [01:00:00] Beautiful, beautiful experience. Yeah. And John has since passed, but, he knew he wasn't gonna be around long 'cause they were in their seventies when I met them. And so, he had been instructed by the fate to not share his process. and then eventually he took me on, he wanted to take me on as his apprentice to learn how to do it.

and after he taught me, he did I think two workshops where he taught a couple more people. So there's a handful of people who know how to make these little fairy houses, but not very many of us. and I've never tried to make one for sale, not while he was alive, because that was his livelihood. 

Tava Baird: Yeah.

Liz Jacobs: Um, but I have considered making them their very long process, but I've considered them making them for sale in his honor. 

Tava Baird: Is there anywhere that someone could see a picture of one? Like did they have a website or were there photos anywhere? 

Liz Jacobs: Not anymore because he's been gone for a few [01:01:00] years now. I can probably post up a picture of my personal one, on the Wilder Grove website, but other than that, no.

Tava Baird: Yeah, it just sounds so magical. The fact that he had, I mean, you're walking into his. Honeysuckle and there's light coming through the ceiling, like, I mean, 

Liz Jacobs: yeah, yeah. It was, it was literally like walking into Santa's workshop, but for fairies it was like a dream come true. 

Tava Baird: Oh my God. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. I kept having images of something from, like The Hobbit or the Lord of the Rings kind of.

So like something you would find there. 

Liz Jacobs: Yeah. Yeah. He had great big, so he had like a roof that he had sort of placed and it was very haphazard and I don't know how everything stuck together. It was glue and magic really. And he had great big logs holding up parts of the ceiling, so it was really magic.

Tava Baird: Oh my. 

Liz Jacobs: Yeah. 

Tava Baird: Gosh, that's incredible. [01:02:00]

Liz Jacobs: I did take photos of the space, so at some point I will share those with you, private. I 

would 

Tava Baird: love to see it. Love to see it. Yeah. Oh my God. Wow. 

Liz Jacobs: Well, yeah, I'm glad that we stuck around long enough for me to tell that story. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Oh, I'm 

Tava Baird: so glad. Story. That story's incredible.

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yeah. I'm so glad that you mentioned that. That was just amazing. 

Tava Baird: Yeah, I mean, and just after hearing you speak today, I'm looking over at the multiple folding tables covered in paint and things that are where I create and thinking. These are altars.

They're where our muses and guides reach through and inspire us, and I need to start treating them more like that. 

Liz Jacobs: Yeah. 

Tava Baird: And that they are, they are the holy spaces. Yes. So, thank you for that. Yes. Thank you for that. 

Liz Jacobs: Yes. That lesson. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yep. I light a candle every time. Say a little prayer and then I [01:03:00] get started.

Jennifer Taylor (2): That's beautiful. 

Liz Jacobs: Thank you 

Tava Baird: both very 

Liz Jacobs: much for having me. It's always wonderful. 

Tava Baird: Absolutely. Thank you for taking the time to come on. Absolutely. Jen, do you wanna magic us out of here with a song? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Sure. Let's, uh, thank you. Let's see what comes through.

[01:04:00] [01:05:00] Ooh.

Tava Baird: Thank you so much, Jen. That was a lovely, peaceful settling. I just have a few words from our angel in residence on the end.[01:06:00]

How will you greet your day with a list and chore with weariness and mass made food? Or will you greet it with magic? With wholeness, connection and gratitude? Stir your oats with a song. Sip your tea with an invocation, step outside and speak to the bees. Your everyday world is your temple. No journey to worship is necessary.

Everywhere you stand is already home.

Thank you, Liz, so much for coming on and being such an inspiration to us today. Thank you 

Liz Jacobs: for having me 

Tava Baird: sharing all of your magic with [01:07:00] us. 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Yes, 

Tava Baird: Jen, you got any closing words for everybody? 

Jennifer Taylor (2): Um, yeah. And just, uh, again, a thank you for bringing through these amazing beings that have had such profound effects on our lives, and I know on so many, so yeah.

And Sam Mayel just certainly sent us off in a beautiful way. 

Liz Jacobs: Yeah, absolutely. 

Tava Baird: So thank you so much for joining us, everybody. We'll see you next week. Many blessings.