Holy Fire Reiki Healing Spirit Attachments, Chaos Angels and More - Part 3

In this final part of a three-part Mystical Musings Podcast conversation on spirit attachments, the hosts discuss common everyday attachments and energetic “baggage,” how repeated spirit-release clearing helped sharpen discernment, and symptoms such as intrusive judgmental thoughts, resistance to healthy practices, and addiction-related voices. They contrast unconscious energies (residual stories, trauma patterns, and internalized beliefs like purity/perfection) with conscious spirit attachments that may seek attention, company, or energy, emphasizing sovereignty, boundary-setting, and compassionate release rather than fear. They explore thought forms and collective energies that can coalesce from repeated emotions, including examples like fear around a bridge and widespread COVID-era fear. Practical approaches include playing music, smoke cleansing, water immersion, calling in divine help (notably Archangel Michael), and treating spirits ethically while insisting harmful energies move on. The episode closes with a blessing attributed to Samael affirming personal worth and choice.

00:00 Welcome And Clearing Song
04:39 Everyday Attachments Signs
05:34 Reiki Spirit Release Routine
07:37 Addiction Pattern Entities
09:24 Unconscious Energy Stories
14:22 Purity Myth And Sin
16:42 Conscious Attachments Sovereignty
18:54 Boundaries With Spirits
23:57 Thought Forms Collective Fear
29:18 Residual Energy In Places
32:25 Invite Spirits to Move On
35:11 Gates Music and Michael
36:37 Different Work Same Goal
38:05 Love Over Fear Approach
40:27 Doll Shelter Stories
41:44 Holly and the Skittles Sound
44:01 Language and Spirit Types
45:31 Delegating to Higher Help
48:10 Words Remove Fear
50:18 Bells and Final Blessing

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Transcript

Holy Fire Reiki Healing Spirit Attachments, Chaos Angels and More- Part 3 S3Ep23

Jennifer Taylor (2): [00:00:00] Thank you for joining us for another episode of Mystical Musings Podcast, and this third part of our three-part conversation around spirit attachments. to get us started today, I will, replay a Consecrating and Clearing Song, to create a nice sacred space for us as we continue the conversation right where we left off last week.

Speaker: EnjoyConsecrating [00:01:00] and Clearing [00:02:00] [00:03:00] [00:04:00] Song

Jennifer Taylor (2): I was thinking maybe it would be good, because I realize, things like the chaos angels those are much, much less common kinds of things to come up with.

Oh 

Tava Baird: yeah, 

Jennifer Taylor: yeah, yeah. You know, and a person who is becoming one, again, much less common. The common things just in regular daily life, for example, my experience and my [00:05:00] understanding and the understanding of the people that tend to, also be teaching this kind of holy fire work is that, unless we've done a fair amount of this clearing, we're all kind of carrying around a whole bunch of baggage of energies and collections, of various versions of these things from the ones that I called, like the guardians, to just sort of lost souls that happen to be confused as to where they are and are holding on and just kind of feeding off of our light to lots of the different, bits of kind of like the fragment kinds of energies that we're picking up.

And in my experience with the reiki, there's initially a period of just like playing that spirit release over and over and over, and I probably had way, way more maybe than your typical person, because I was, you know, living with a chaos angel.

Yeah. And, another child who, also had the same traumas and also head of all, all of these different things. And, but [00:06:00] I initially, like I just laid there the first night after class, he had given us the recording that he did for us in class. And I just laid there for an hour and the whole recording's maybe seven minutes, and it was just over and over and over, just clearing and clearing and clearing and clearing and clearing.

And I started feeling more clear than I'd, been maybe ever. And then just kept clearing and kept clearing and kept clearing after a period of time, of playing it in the background almost all the time, just trying to get rid of all the stuff. Then when something came in like that, I could really sense it.

And for me, a lot of the symptoms were, I would start thinking or feeling in a way that I didn't normally think and feel like I would start having these super judgmental feelings and thoughts about somebody, or I would start thinking really harshly about a person or a situation and I'm like, this is not me.

Like, I would hear myself then going, this isn't how I talk. This isn't how I think, [00:07:00] like, what is happening? And I would go, oh, spirit attachment. And I would play the spirit release. And if that didn't do it, I would physically do it for myself and then, it would be gone. And then it was like instantly.

I was back to myself or I would start being really resistant to doing the things that were good for me that I knew I needed to do, but I was super extra resistant to it. Like, you know, exercising or meditating or doing self reiki or something like that. And I would go, Ugh, alright, spirit attachment, do it.

And instantly it's like, yeah, okay, now I'm back to responding the way that I normally would. and then I've found also that, there's some kind of spirit attachment, like a consciousness that, that forms around addictions and doing spirit releases for specifically targeting going, especially, you know, like I'm calling in this process and, pointing out especially the ones that are in any way related to or holding in this [00:08:00] pattern of an addiction.

All of that, like, all that needs to get focused on. Right. And that has been huge for people that I know of, like that it was alcoholic who, it doesn't mean that they don't still have to do a lot of the work, but suddenly, you know, you ha you hear people talk about who are addicts, like this voice in their head that says, oh, come on, it's not that big a deal.

Just take a drink. What's one drink? You know, that kind of thing. And that then clears and they're able to then think and be more clear. And so I, part of what I wanted to address was, also that there's sort of your everyday things that you come in contact with that 

Tava Baird: Yes, 

Jennifer Taylor: everybody is probably dealing with to some extent.

And that there are ways to help with that and getting a sense of, you know, Sam Miles' perspective on those different kinds of things. And then also giving people a sense of. What things that they can do for [00:09:00] themselves to help to lift and, and release that. And certainly, you know, we know we have the recording piece and release on my website.

Right. Um, and I have, there's another thing that actually that Jonathan taught my youngest, that's a really beautiful way that, that she could help to release and clear things as well. So I thought that might be good to 

Tava Baird: Yeah, absolutely. So this gets into sort of the foundational, thing on the energy with Samuel.

And this talks about conscious and unconscious energy. And one of the things that he says is that, as humans, we often mistake one for another, right? There are stories that somebody told us when we were a kid that our parents, our teachers, maybe it was our first love, whatever, that even though they are not around anymore to say it, 

we tell ourselves the story. Okay? So that [00:10:00] story is a form of energy. It's an echo, right? It's a residual energy from this other person. It is not thinking and feeling, but a lot of times we go, that's not really me. But it is, if we've been telling ourself that story and carrying on what that person said for years and years and years and years, let's take, like, body consciousness, right?

If when you had your, if somebody said to you when you were a kid, oh, you've got such a big nose, right? And you don't, I'll, I'll tell you, my dad has a roman nose, like it is a nose. He looks like she should be on a coin, right? And when I was a kid, somebody said to me, wow, you look like your father. And I assumed that that meant that I had.

This nose right now. I don't have that nose right, but I thought that it did. And I grew up telling [00:11:00] myself the story that I had an enormous nose. 

Jennifer Taylor: And just even the idea that that's a bad thing, 

Tava Baird: right? Yeah, 

Jennifer Taylor: yeah. Just all the stories that had led to the fact that you felt like, oh my gosh, that would be a bad thing.

It's, 

BAIRD BAIRD: well, and I also think my, you know, my dad has a very sort of Roman masculine profile, and when you're a pre-teen girl, you might not wanna have that face. Yeah. Right. You know, you're, that's, and so I was very self-conscious for a long time. Now that person said that once, I don't even remember who it was.

Then I kept telling myself this was what I looked like. Even when empirically and I look in the mirror every day, that is not what I look like. I look like him in that we have the same hair and eye color and some of the same facial structure, but not in the nose. So sometimes you have [00:12:00] stories that you carry along with you, and even if you think you've dropped them, you've been telling them yourself, them for so many years that you are caring.

This energy is not a conscious thing working against you. It is part though of your energetic makeup right now. Right. So we all have unconscious energy that we are dealing with. A lot of our, impulses and addictions, particularly when we're tired or feeling insecure, may often be stories that we have now told ourself, oh, I'm addicted to X.

And we get very comfortable in. Who we are, even if it's not necessarily who we want to be. Humans are very resistant to change, right? So there's some energies that are affecting us that are residual energies from other people's words, other [00:13:00] relationships, things we thought or felt at a certain time, trauma, right?

And these things in a way, they're not consciously attached to us, but they are of the spirit and they are attached. And we, there may be times when I say I don't feel like myself, which may simply be, I don't feel like my best self. I'm too tired or too worried, or too traumatized to behave in the manner that I know is in my own best interest.

And what we have to do in that case is sit down and say, why am I holding onto a story that no longer serves me? Where did I pick up this energy? And why am I so attached to it? Why does it feel like it is its own little, for lack of a better term, demon sitting on my shoulder that I can't shake? [00:14:00] What could I do?

Who do I need to call in or to use your verbiage? What sort of light do I need to call into this thing regularly so that I can put myself in a place of balance in the face of my trauma and my disorganization? And part of that is also, and we talk about this in the Li Lilith classes, we, a lot of us have this idea from Western society that you have to be pure to be spiritual.

That you're not allowed to be messy and have, you know, deep, strong, dark emotions, you're not allowed to get angry. That all of those things, we kind of relegate those to a box of, this is something wrong with me, but we know that we are humans and humans have emotions and they are messy, and they do wake up [00:15:00] some mornings with bad breath and that that doesn't make us less divine.

But one of the things we also need to examine is am I attach to an idea of purity and perfection? You know, am I attached to the idea that you can't be holy unless you are, you know, X, Y, and Z? If you look at just about any spiritual tradition on earth, we we're not supposed to curse or we're supposed to only eat certain foods, or we're supposed to abstain, abstain, abstain, you know?

And we have this idea of I've fallen off the horse, I've fallen off the wagon, I am now impure. Purity doesn't exist for humans. Anybody who tells you their pure is hiding something and trying to set themselves above you, they just are right. because they're not acknowledging the fact that they are a human being.[00:16:00]

And so this is why Samuel is not excited about the concept of original sin, right? Because sin is, you know, you go to church to, as a Catholic, when as a kid you went to church to go to confession, to a tone for your sin so that you could somehow have your little bar be moved more into the purity area, 

right?

So we have to look. That's a particular type of what you would probably call spirit attachment, but it's our own attachment to an idea or an ideal that doesn't actually serve and isn't actually real. Now you also have conscious spirit attachments, and this is generally when there is a spirit wants something from you.

Now, they may want it for good. This may be an ancestor that comes back to visit [00:17:00] that's just checking in on you, but would like your time and attention. It might also be something that has a very strong message to deliver to someone else and gets really rude and pop bumps into your body and delivers it without knocking on the door and asking first.

In this case, we're dealing with an idea of sovereignty. Even though you don't own the land, 'cause land doesn't belong to anybody, your family is in your house right now and you have a reasonable expectation that you should be allowed to live in peace and do your spiritual work and be with your family.

The spirits expect that they're allowed to do their spiritual work. So you are allowed to ask for that equally. So one of the things that I do, for example, uh, I was driving down the road near the end the other day and there is a cemetery near it. [00:18:00] And I know that sometimes spirits like rides and they like company.

And so as I approached the cemetery, I said, hello everyone. If anybody would like a ride or just bu around in the backseat of a Jeep for a while, you are most welcome, but you may not distract me, you may not enter my personal space and you may not. Take over my body for your own purposes. Could you have the energetic makeup where you can do that?

And we can have a conversation and the whole rest of the way down the road, I chatted and told them what year we were in and what was going on and talked about the weather and anybody who might have been around lot of lovely little interaction and acknowledgement of their existence. They were not allowed to infringe on my sovereignty 'cause they would not want me to infringe on theirs.

So if you have something that is leaching energy off of you, first thing that I [00:19:00] try to do, like I talk about, I have this little lovely haunted doll guide book that goes out with my spirit communication dolls. And in the book it says, if you are holding a doll that has an entity visiting it and that entity attempts to harm you or touch you in any way that you did not invite, you put the doll down, you back up and you say you have crossed a boundary.

I am sovereign in this space right now. I am the living being in this space right around me. You are welcome to be in other parts of the house. You are welcome to be out in the yard. You may not touch me unless I invite it, but then what I do is I say to them, there may also be a misunderstanding. You might have a spirit that is lonely, hungry, something along those [00:20:00] lines.

Give them the Snickers. So in the little book, there's actually a link to omni, well, it's not in the book, it's tells you, it says, uh, that if the spirit is physically hurting you put down the doll immediately and announce that you are unhappy with the exchange. Play music to feed and soothe the spirits energetically in case there was a misunderstanding.

And you're welcome to smoke, cleanse your room, yourself and the doll. So you are creating a sacred home, energetic space. You're not driving anybody out, but you are saying, no, good day to you, sir. Right? And then coming back later and seeing, and it says, um, 

Then you're gonna immerse yourself in water, such as taking a shower, which will help to balance your energy. And it says, if you wouldn't tolerate a behavior from the living, [00:21:00] don't tolerate it from the dead. So in your house, those spirits coming back to visit know that you pay a mortgage and you are doing work there, and they're coming back to visit maybe to offer guidance, but a lot of times they're coming for company or they might be coming to visit you because they know that you can bring through energy to others.

And they might want to touch the divine a little bit during their work, get a Snickers bar, what have you. Um, I think feel like we're both running, uh, rest stops on the energetic highway, right? They're getting a Cheeto. But you have a reasonable expectation that if they want to live peacefully on that mountaintop, you should be allowed to as well.

So if you have a spirit that is dragging you down and they're consciously doing it for their own benefit, tell them This is not okay. You need to [00:22:00] get the heck out of here. And if you don't, I'm opening up an energetic gate and inviting Michael to come take a look. I do that all the time with Samael. If you are gonna, if you are going to infringe on my sovereignty and my space, guess who I have as backup.

Would you like a visit from an angel of death? Right. So again, we're just looking at sort of that sovereignty, and that's one of the things we talk about in the classes. When you encounter an energy, say you look up and there's, something walking through your house. Is it bothering you? What energetic level are we talking about?

Can you cohabitate with it in a way that it is of benefit to you both? Or is it something that is making you behave in a way that is definitely not you? [00:23:00] And it's not a story you're telling yourself. It is somebody visiting that is taking something of yours. You have every right at that point to go opening up a gate, bringing through the divine, let them talk to you.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And I realize that, while it sounds like it's being used as a threat. That what I'm always reminding people with doing this, like with the spirit release technique and that's what it, I wish we probably need a better term for that.

Like that's what it's called in right? In like the reiki world. But we, I really need a better term for that. 'cause we were talking about words, um, but it's really is a gift and it's a good thing. Yeah. Even though they may think at the moment they, that that's not what they want.

it's always a gift because they're not coming in and doing something unkind or it's something that's not. in the ultimate, highest good of the being as well as as us. And then I realized too, that thought [00:24:00] forms is another term for something that I'd forgotten to kind of mention. But I think a lot of what gets released too or thought forms.

And my understanding, or my, what I mean by a thought form is that, you know, we know that thoughts are things and you know, whenever we have a thought and we have a feeling, we, we put it out there and it's, it's out there in the universe here somewhere. And when lots of people, either when there's a thought that is had repeatedly or a strong emotion like fear or anger or sadness or revenge or regret or whatever it is.

because like attracts like, what tends to happen in my understanding is that, you know, we, we put out all of these individual things, but the more that we do it, it's like they start to sort of coalesce. Yeah. And grow and then attract more and more of them. and there can be places that, and so like, just [00:25:00] even in your house, if there's been a lot of grief or a lot of, anger or something, it can be good to smoke, cleanse, or energetically cleanse in some way to break all of that up and help it to move on.

Or, I, I would use, I use reiki to, to help, to transform and transmute the energies. But the, sometimes those thought forms are what gets stuck and it's such a big thought form that It feels like it has a greater level of consciousness than, you know, because it's, it's such a, it's a big one.

And that I think a lot of times when I recognize that, I'm starting to think or feel or talk where it's like I hear word that I'm like, this just isn't mine. Like, this isn't my own issues coming up to be dealt with. This is literally not mine. And I think the more I get clear and the more time I spend clear, the more I can recognize this is my stuff that's coming up to be dealt with.

And this is something that's not, that I picked up from [00:26:00] somewhere else, or, that's been floating around. And sometimes it's because, you know, maybe I'm on that level of vibration for a period of time. And so it's like I go down to the second floor and it's like, whoa, I picked up some, you know, I've got a lot of stuff from being down here.

Um, but the thought forms seem to be one of the things too, that release in that of like, you know, letting go of, um, of those kind of collected thoughts. Like there was a, a story about somebody going over a bridge and that she, you know, she drove over this bridge all the time. And I may have told this story before and, but 

Tava Baird: a good one.

Go for 

Jennifer Taylor (2): it. Yeah. I feel like it really exemplifies the thought form kind of thing of This woman commuted across this bridge all the time, you know, narrow, kind of tall bridge, and it never bothered her. Always fine. And then all of a sudden one day she's driving across it and she just gets terrified.

And has all of these terrifying thoughts about, you know, what if I drive off the bridge? What if the wind blows? What if this, what if that? And just [00:27:00] is terrified, white knuckling it across the bridge and was like, what is going on? You know, why am I suddenly terrified to go across this? And what, what she ended up realizing was that.

Her energy was lower in that point. You know, she had, from whatever was happening, it was like her defenses were a little lower. Maybe her aura was kind of more collapsed from the level of vibration that she was on. And so many people are terrified of going across a bridge and her driving across that white knuckled that that bridge has had sort of this massive thought form that had formed, that was all the people's fears of driving across that bridge 

And so she tapped into that and all of a sudden she was feeling all of those feelings that were not hers, but she felt them. And that's kind of what I tend to feel a lot of times with the thought forms or the, you know, that that come in where all of a sudden it's like, whoa. this isnt me! And there's a lot of that, like with COVID, there was so much fear involved.

[00:28:00] Yes. That I feel like that has developed so many huge thought forms and so many people talk about just feeling and picking up on the, just waves of fear of the collective conscious has now that's, you know, kind of floating around there and mass. And a lot of people who are really sensitive or really empathic can feel that and they start feeling the collective fear of society or the collective sadness or the collective anger.

And if you can't sort out, this is not mine, I am touching into that and have a way of helping to clear that to the point that you can find who you are and be clear in that, it can be really difficult because then you start identifying with that and thinking, oh my gosh, I have all this fear, or I have all this anger when it's really the tapping into the collective energies of others.

Tava Baird: Exactly. And if you're an empath, you're tapping into other people's [00:29:00] energies all the time. You know, you pick up on all of that. and so, yeah, I think all of this is right on, is that, you know, the first step is to figure out where is this coming from and you know, am I picking up on something?

Am I echoing something that was there? And residual energy is no joke. at the beginning of class the other day, we were talking about a residual energy feels and how it's very different to walk into, say, a target where everything is mass produced and just came off, you know, probably hasn't really been touched by a human much versus walking into a thrift store.

Like when you walk into a thrift store, if you are sensitive to energy, a lot of those people will just get hit with this wall. With all of these things that were touched and held, and in particular people's homes and some of them were gifts. There's a massive amount of energy in that [00:30:00] building that's just residual.

You know, nobody sat there and said, I'm really gonna put my intention into this necessarily. There might be a few things like that, but just from the clothes that people wore. a great example of how residual energy can be powerful, especially when coupled with a thought form, is if you break up with someone, think about the number of people who, as long as you still have their things at your house, you know right where that box is all the time, right?

Their energy, their residual energy, and the thoughts and feelings that you have about them now are all embodied in that t-shirt or that old CD collection or whatever it is. The items themselves may not be of value, but it is like a little energetic time bomb. And that's when you see people going, I want my stuff back, or throwing things out.

Um, you'd see sort of almost a modern version of [00:31:00] that where people block each other on social media after a break, right? They can't stand to look at the person's picture coming up on their feed and be reminded of how the relationship failed. Right? And photographs carry a tremendous amount of energy because there's a person's likeness there.

So, when we're looking at all of these things, just because something is a residual energy doesn't mean it isn't strong. It doesn't mean it isn't triggering. You know, you can go to a battlefield and think about all the people who died there, who were in pain there, who lost their lives. A lot of people experience seeing entities walking by on battlefields.

They're not interacting with you because they're an echo of all of that energy that's just sort of there and repeating it stuff still. So all of these things have to be taken into account [00:32:00] when somebody comes and says, I feel like something stuck to me. Is this something that's actively taking advantage of you?

Is this, sort of a repeat or an echo that's sort of stuck on you? Is this a story you tell yourself? And the other thing to remember is that energies, we want ener energy moves. That's what it does. We want energy to move on. Even when we're talking about unethical demonic practitioners. You notice on that episode that 10 steps to sovereignty with Samuel and Lilith?

No point in there when Samuel was talking, did he say he's exterminating something or abusing it? He wanted it to move on, right? The only thing you're doing is saying, you are trying to take advantage of me. Move on. 'cause the hope is that that entity that is making poor choices now will move on and get to a [00:33:00] place where over time it can make the choices and learn the things that it needs to do and do the work that it needs to do.

Get to a point where it can be balanced and it's ready to go back and become part of, part of the all in a more full way. He is wanting the things to move, to not sit and fester. And, and I think the other thing that comes into play with this is that we have to remember that there's more than two spaces.

There's not here and heaven, you know, there's not here and the light. There are so many places that we cannot fathom and we've created energetic platforms ourselves. You know, we do that with the power of story. Lord knows how many different ones you've been to when you time slip and work with different entities and all of these things.

Is that just because a [00:34:00] spirit is attached to you? It might just be in the wrong place at the wrong time and it's looking for the wrong things. So let you know. Say it's time for you to go on. I'm sovereign right here and your work. It's not, it's hurting me right now. It's time for you to move on. And then we open up and we say, and maybe, maybe we'll be lucky.

And they'll go, you know what? I think I'm kind of finished here. I think I'm good. I think I'm ready for the next step, the next phase. And off they go. Or they say, oh, you know what? I have been stuck here for a while. I got overly attached to you because of something that I'm overly attached to in myself.

Let me move on. And so we're creating this opportunity, but if something is [00:35:00] actually hurting you, because it's so hurt itself, we're so hungry itself that it doesn't know what else to do, we invite it to move on. And if it refuses, then we say, I have the ability to open up the gate. I have the ability to play music.

I have the ability to turn an angel's attention in your direction. You now get to decide what you're going to do with that. Are you going to have the Snickers and go on a walk with Michael? Are you gonna have the Snickers and say, no, thanks, I'm moving on on my own. My journey continues. Or are you going to go, you know what, I was kind of here for easy pickings.

Let me just go on my way. 

Jennifer Taylor: And for me, I pretty much just go straight to like, I don't say I have the ability to do this, and I'm going to, I just go ahead and go, [00:36:00] okay, you know, do you know turning all the reiki, changing the vibration of the space? Michael, let's, uh, let's, let's take a look and see what we need to do, or.

You know, depending on who it is. But I mean, I always call in Michael for everything anyway. Yeah. But, um, yeah, I kind of skip that middle step and just go, 'cause I feel like he's not going to do anything unethical or not no. The most loving thing anyway. So I just go straight with too or Okay, following this 

Tava Baird: in.

Jennifer Taylor: Alright Michael, let's, let's like, check this out, I'm gonna hand this over and you guys can sort out what needs to happen and how. And um, 

Tava Baird: yeah. And, and I think that just is a little bit in the way that our work slightly differs is you are teaching and dealing with a lot of people who are coming to you and saying, I need this.

And they're already in the space of reception. I'm doing something slightly different where I am reaching out in a lot of cases to energies where the divine is [00:37:00] overwhelming to them to see if I can assist. So, I think I'm dealing with a lot of shy people or hungry people who have let it get to them.

And what I'm trying to do is educate the humans around me who are also very psychic a lot of times to give that spirit the benefit of the doubt and to not use practices that are, you know, I'm gonna come into your living room and spray holy water everywhere and say that you don't have a right to be here.

And I do. 

Jennifer Taylor: Oh yeah. 

Tava Baird: You know, and, and, and so I think because we're working kind of in different fields along those lines but the thing that's lovely is we both arrive at the same place. 

Yeah. 

Tava Baird: Which is helping people to balance their energy in both themselves and the space around them.

And helping the unseen [00:38:00] to be able to do the same so that eventually movement can occur. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. And you know, I was thinking, I think something that's really beautiful too is that both of our approaches are grounded in the same thing, which is not approaching the, whether we're calling them spirit attachments or, the locked ghosts or whatever the various things are.

Mm-hmm. We're not approaching them from a space of fear and we're doing it from a place of love. Like all of it is from a place of love and caring and honoring and respecting. And from that place, it's simply a matter of what is the most aligned thing to do. Right. And this situation. But I love, you know, 'cause I teach, you know, what you're teaching is very much, you know, we don't need to be afraid of 99% of the things that we're coming across.

And even then, we just need to be able to [00:39:00] know when to step back and call in additional help and, and what needs to happen. And a lot of the work that I do, especially in the part of the class where we talk about the spirit attachments, is help to get people to not be so afraid of it. Yes. 'cause there's so much fear and I, I don't blame it.

I mean, I was terrified by these things for a long, long time and still have things that come up that scare me. But so much of it is in helping people to dispel the fear and see it as, as just other souls who deserve, you know, love and need it. And coming at it from that aspect of doing what is the most loving and the most aligned for everybody from a position of.

Allowing it to happen. And from, you know, being the practitioner in it, we really fully step out of the way and just create the space. I always talk about it as it's more like we're being like an event planner, where it's [00:40:00] like, okay, I'm gonna set up the space. we're gonna call in, you know, we're gonna send out the invitations.

We're gonna get everybody here together, and then I'm gonna back out of the way. It's like, I, I send, bring in the energy, I set the space, I'm flowing, the energy I'm calling in the beings that are gonna help, and I'm setting those up with the, or kind of like matchmaker. Like I'm gonna setting those up with the beings that need it and then I'm just gonna get outta the way and let the event take place.

Tava Baird: Right. I loved the other day on one of our Marcos, you said, that I was like a, an animal shelter for the Unbodied. And I laughed so hard because that really is what it is, is like, you know, here's sort of this, this dog that other people have, deemed unadoptable and it's having trouble getting out of its situation on its own.

Let's take it in and remind it that it is cute and wonderful and give it a bath and expose it to, some training and some good [00:41:00] food and a place where it can feel safe. and then getting it into a situation where it can be more of itself. in its original divine dogness.

Um, and this was in regards exactly what it's 

Jennifer Taylor (2): was regards dolls by the way. Not bringing them into Oh, the dolls. 'cause I realized so much of this. No, no. We were talking about bringing into ourselves. This was all the dolls that she's collecting. This was the doll stuff. The thrift stores and then, tending to, their needs , and adopting out the ones that are in a more , balanced state , and good to work with.

And 

Tava Baird: it was so neat. I took, 11 dolls to the end the other day for the spirit class, and I was like, okay, if there's anybody here who is not into dolls, and everybody there was like, we're literally in a haunted house, bring it, you know? it was really great. But there's this one, she's actually over here to my left.

and she has this phenomenon that's been going on for a couple of weeks now. the entity, and it has not given me a name, it does not speak to me. But usually late at night, [00:42:00] I have the doll in a rocking chair. The rocking chair will start moving a little bit on its own, and then there is the sound that sounds like someone is pouring a bag of m and ms or Skittles onto the floor, like just this, almost like rain stick sound.

And I will get up and go over and there's nothing that's fallen, there's nothing on the floor. And I look around and I'm the only one that's awake in the house, even the dog's asleep. So then I'll move the chair to a different location, and now she's over here to my left all the time. It's happened to eight or nine times.

And I don't know if it's happening when I'm not in the room. It might be, but there's just this falling sound. And then sometimes the chair moves and, you know, I don't know what's going on with the entity that's visiting the stall, but I talk to the doll and I'm kind to the doll and I let the entity know that I know it's there and I hope it's well.

and what was really sweet was when we were out in the house, I asked everybody who was [00:43:00] interested in inviting a spirit that wanted to be touched to come into the doll so they could feel some compassion, some touch. And there's a particular person who was in the class who's just wonderful and she sat and gave energy to the doll.

And I will tell you, and after I was like, this doll has a whole different mood going on about it now. there's just, just seems so happy the energy that's around it because now you know, it had an energetic worker sit and move energy in. and I just absolutely love that the doll's name is Holly.

and we could all use a little of what Holly was given on Sunday and she's dumping less Skittles on the floor. Like from what I can tell, she's still rocking a lot though. 

Jennifer Taylor: Rocking is very soothing. That's a 

Tava Baird: rocking is very soothing. 

Jennifer Taylor: That's a good thing. Well my goodness, we have talked for three and a half hours.

I 

Tava Baird: think I knew this was gonna [00:44:00] be two episodes. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. Oh, I am so glad, that you, asked that question and I realize I don't know that we really sorted out all of the language things. No, I got a lot more language and you know, more about what it is that I mean, but now I'm thinking, right, I'm really gonna need to come up with some more or maybe, Sam all has some good words for like, what to call, what I call the spirit release.

Tava Baird: yeah. And it, it's so funny 'cause he has sort of like seven, like seven or eight categories of okay you and run into this energy. And he's giving me new ones all the time. You know, like, he's like, okay, this is what Anness is. This is what his term for ancestor means when he talks about ancestors.

This is a, you know, conscious versus an unconscious energy. This is an echo, this is a, and he's got all these little terms. Um, you know, so maybe, maybe on a future podcast I'll sit down and just say, these are some little flash terms that [00:45:00] he's given. What is your equivalent? And that would be kind of fun.

'cause Yeah, like I hear you talk about spirit release all the time, but I was like, but what type, like what, is there a specific type of spirit that that applies to? So now I have a little bit more of an understanding of what you mean by that. 

Jennifer Taylor: And 

Tava Baird: I 

Jennifer Taylor: think, yeah, really lots of different types of spirit and different types of energies that really aren't classified as a spirit, but that just sort of get loop lumped in with it, even like the thought forms.

Tava Baird: Yeah. And it's so interesting to me. Um, I think also, well first off, I tend to speak with a lot of gusto, but I also do end up dealing with sometimes entities that are not there for the person's highest good and refuse to leave and they're freeloaders. And so I think my approach at other times too is, Hey, hey, we've now determined what you are.

This isn't 

cool, you know, [00:46:00] um, after we get them their Snickers, of course. But, uh, 

Jennifer Taylor (2): yeah. And that's really, that, that's kind of the same thing that happens, sometimes in like sessions with a client where I'll become aware of something and I'm sending it light , I'm doing stuff in, and I'm like, it doesn't, it's just sort of stuck.

That's what I do the same thing. Only I do it in the sense of. well, alright. I'm calling light to you and I'm calling Archangel Michael and maybe Eckajati and Jesus and some other Beings . I'll be like, all right you guys, take care of that over there. That thing that's not budgeting and is clearly not helping anybody.

Like, let's, let's take care of that. I just do a lot of delegating. Like, okay, I've, I've done what I can do now it's time for, um, you guys to take care of that one over there. 

Tava Baird: Sam, can I start delegating to you that hadn't, he says we will discuss this later. 

Jennifer Taylor: And, you know, sometimes the delegation happens is like, Sekhmet going, "no, [00:47:00] you eat it."

Tava Baird: Yeah. 

Jennifer Taylor: I, I keep delegating to her as long as soon as you're able to do it yourself, she's like, Nope. Now you eat it. Now 

Tava Baird: you eat it. Yeah. Ugh. There's a reason we're being taught what we're taught, right? 

Jennifer Taylor: Indeed. 

Tava Baird: So do you have something lovely and balancing for us? 

Jennifer Taylor: Um, I'm sure I do.

I'm gonna have to sit here for a second and see what it is that, um, I'm being shown to, bring through and yeah. So we'll bring through something good and balancing and see what it, see what I'm inspired to do. 

Tava Baird: thank you so much for spending three and a half hours going through all of this with me because I'm learning a lot and it's, it's really neat to go, oh, that's the word for x and like to go through that story and hear you tell it.

And then to have Sam Mayel sort of say this is energetically sort of [00:48:00] my words for it was really enlightening. 

Jennifer Taylor: That 

Tava Baird: was especially 'cause it all ended up in the same place. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. 

Tava Baird: It's just a slight shift in perspective. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. That I, I really appreciate it and I've been wanting to have this conversation for years and it's funny because I realized that I think we almost had tried to have this conversation for a long time, but couldn't, and I think it's because we weren't at the place to have, like you weren't doing any of this work at that time.

No. Like, you didn't have any of this new vocabulary. All this stuff is just coming out to where I feel like it's just now that we've both gotten to the place where we have the level of understanding of it, that we could have a much different conversation than we ever could have before. 

Tava Baird: Yeah. And it's so good because when you have words like the, you're right, the fear goes away.

Like now, I mean, I think about how I used to walk into the house and all of these different energies would kind of buffet me and I didn't know what was coming and I didn't [00:49:00] know what might be something I should be worried about. And I was just frightened. And now I'm like, oh, that has no interest in me.

Okay. That's probably an X or an x. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. It's like, yeah. I mean, I, I don't have 

Tava Baird: to, 

Jennifer Taylor: energy is so empowering, you know, when you understand what's happening, and you have then the ability to discern about, you know, what is it, what's the deal with it? then it's a whole different experience because, you know, if you need to be concerned or not.

And so many of the things that were terrifying before are like, oh, okay, yeah, that's all right. 

Tava Baird: Yeah. That's just always there. that's just a phenomenon that's gonna probably keep happening in startle people, but there's nothing conscious behind it, you know? Or the other thing I'm learning a lot of is, it might not be talking to me, but that doesn't mean it's not gonna talk to somebody else.

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. It's like, I'm just not the one that it wants to have the conversation with or needs to have that and I think there's, it's so cool too because the [00:50:00] people who have the lessons for themselves, who, you know, they're, they're drawn together. The people who need that information and need that specific lesson and need to have that connection will be the right ones to have it.

Tava Baird: Right. Right. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah. Very cool. Good 

Tava Baird: stuff. 

Jennifer Taylor: All right. let's see what comes through. 

Tava Baird: All right, 

Jennifer Taylor: Ding. D. D Ding. D. D. D. D. D. D. Ding.

D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D.

D. D, D, D, d, D.[00:51:00]

Oh,[00:52:00]

[00:53:00] [00:54:00] ding. 

Tava Baird: Cue for those beautiful bells. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yeah, I I love that bell. 

Tava Baird: And for your voice, your voice was, was dinging too. 

Jennifer Taylor: Yes. 

Tava Baird: I became 

Jennifer Taylor: the bell as well. 

Tava Baird: You became the bell. I just have something short here from Samael to carry us out. You are a spirit equal to other spirits. You are a soul equal to other soul. Your journey, your gifts, your worth are unique and no one can speak [00:55:00] to your choices, your hungers and your story.

You there is great power resting in the cradle of your being. What will you birth with it? Listener, sage or a monster or a beautiful path born of each, A story of joy and redemption, both wherever you walk, I offer you a blessing.

Jennifer Taylor: Beautiful. And it occurred to me as I heard that, that he had these really amazing words at the beginning of the podcast that was now three and a half hours ago, that we never unpacked either, that I'm gonna have to go back and read because I remember thinking, oh, I need to listen to this multiple times to really get all of what he's saying.

So we'll have to do that as well. [00:56:00]

Tava Baird: Thank you so much, everybody for listening today. Thank you, Jen, for this enlightening and invigorating conversation. And as always, I feel very blessed to have you on my path and that I get to walk on yours. 

Jennifer Taylor: I could not agree more with all of your sentiments as with regards to what you bring to my life, and I am so, so grateful to get to have this conversation and to have all of the beautiful input from you and Samael.

And to get to share it with all of these amazing people who are listening and tuning in and giving us a reason to have these conversations and share them. So, wishing you all, many, many blessings and, as always, we're here if we can support you on your path in any other ways. 

Tava Baird: Have a great [00:57:00] week, folks.

We'll see you next time.