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Moving from the UK to Chile to Spain and Navigating Cultural Differences with Tali

• Ellen Larson • Episode 29

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EP #29: In this episode, Ellen is joined by her friend Tali and we learn about Tali's upbringing in Manchester in the UK, moving to the island of Jersey (not to be confused with New Jersey), moving to Santiago, Chile, finding love, and moving to Barcelona, Spain, while navigating cultural differences within romantic relationships and friendships.

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>> Ellen:

Hey, guys. Welcome back to Reasonably Certain. This is episode 29 and this is my second interview episode with my friend Tally.

>> Tali:

Hi.

>> Ellen:

And we're just going toa be getting into who is Tali? How do we meet? Everything about her? And yeah, so, Tally, thanks for joining me. Um, I guess we'll just start like, where are you from? M. Who are you? Just give us a rundown.

>> Tali:

Yeah, well, thank you very much for having me. I'm a big fan of this podcast. It goes on the big TV in the living room every week.

>> Ellen:

Thank you.

>> Tali:

So I'll be watching myself soon.

>> Ellen:

That'll be fun.

>> Tali:

But, yeah, my name's Tali. It's short for Talatha, a cheeky name from the Bible, thanks to my Catholic parents. But I was born in Stockport, which is in Manchester in the uk. Um, so I am, um, British and Irish. My momm's family are Irish, my dad's family are from England, from the North. Um, and I spent kind of the first seven years of my life in Manchester and then after that it's just been constantly moving around. So kind of highlights have been Yorkshire, stint in Scotland, um, boarding school, Jersey, which is in the Channel Islands, not New Jersey, and then Chile, um, in South America and then here in Spain. So, yeah, it's been a lot of moving, a lot of moving. Um, but I think kind of that's what's made me who I am today. It's a big part of my personality and I think thanks to that, it's kind of, you know, easy to make friends all around the world. Um, so, yeah, I wouldn'I. Wouldn't change it.

>> Ellen:

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I mean, that's so. I mean, I've moved a decent bit, but that's a lot more than I've moved. Um, but yeah, so, like, from growing up. You grew up in the uk. How long were you in the UK before you moved out?

>> Tali:

So I would say, you know, I spent all my childhood, you know, up to 18 years old, pretty much in the UK. I was 18 when I went to live sort of on my own in Jersey and the Channel Islands. But, you know, still English speaking, still very British. It was 19 kind of when the big change happened and I sort of patcked my bags, left everything I knew and went to Chile and South America just on a mad one, basically. And that's kind of the butterfly effect of how I ended up here today. So, uh, yeah.

>> Ellen:

And so you went to boarding school as well. So even I don't remember all the years totally. But, like, you grew up in Manchester?

>> Tali:

In Manchester, yeah.

>> Ellen:

Wentter boarding school then what was the reason for going to Jersey?

>> Tali:

Uh, Jersey was I had a boyfriend there. Uh, and uh, my aunt and my cousins lived there. So, you know, I had a lot of ties, I visited it a lot. And it's kind of a really nice crossover between England and France, sort of culture wise. It's really safe. It's, you know, 10, I think 100,000 people population. So really safe, really beautiful. So yeah, I was there for a bit. And then again, it is an island, it is very small. Um, I was kind of wanted to try something different before going to university. So that's how I landed on Chile.

>> Ellen:

Okay. And then university was in Chile.

>> Tali:

University was in the uk. But I, um, hit the years, which was first year lecturer strike. So I was basically taught nothing in person. It was mostly online and sort of do it yourself and then second year Covid. So that's when I moved back to Chile. Cause I missed it so much. And I finished university online.

>> Ellen:

Okay. Okay. That had to have been really difficult, like doing online and like not having as many in person classes. Right. I don't know, I can't imagine it difficult.

>> Tali:

I kind of sucked it up and got on with it. And my dad's a teacher, so even if he didn't really know a lot about the subject I was studying, I did English law and French law. He would read whatever I had to read and then sort of teach it back to me. And that was really helpful. So, you know, really thankful for that. And then the French side, you know, my mom speaks French, so she would proofread some of my essays.

>> Ellen:

Your mom spoke French?

>> Tali:

Yeah, she went to uni, um, in France and Belgium.

>> Ellen:

Okay, that's so cool.

>> Tali:

Languages, family?

>> Ellen:

Very much, yeah.

>> Tali:

So yeah, in a sense, like, sure, it would have been great if I'd had kind of more support, but the overriding emotion with university in the UK is being annoyed and angry because like, it is so expensive and there was no, you know, refund discount, et cetera. And I remember I counted up, I think, how many sort of contact hours I'd had and you know, and not just a normal law degree, like an additional one on top with the French law. And I think, you know, even at the best time when there were no strikes and no Covid, I was getting six contact hours a week. So. Okay, yeah. Not worth the money.

>> Ellen:

No, no, no, no. So then in chill, you finished university.

>> Tali:

Yeah, it was so weird. I remember I made a TikTok about it because I was just like typing an essay. Press submit on, turn it in, close the laptop, sat there in Chile and lockdown. I was like, right, that's it lads. Yep, that's it.

>> Ellen:

Graduated. I did it.

>> Tali:

Wave a little flag for literally, I.

>> Ellen:

Was like, okay, um, okay, well then we'll get back o We'll, you know, dive into that more a bit later. But, um, what do you do as far as like work and everything?

>> Tali:

Yeah, so at the minute, uh, I work in sales at an eor. I know you've mentioned employees of record on your podcast before. Essentially helping companies who wa wantna hire people abroad in countries where they don't have legal entities. Um, we basically facilitate that. So for example, here in Spain, my company, um, has a legal entity registered. So I'm employed through that legal entity. Um, but you know, if I worked for another company, it basically works like that kind of a link. Um, so between the company I work for, which called Oyster hr and their customer, there's a service agreement m which kind of means the customer can tell the employee what to do on a day to day. And then the employees based in this other country, on paper they're employed via Oyster, but they work for the customer. It's a bit complicated to understand, but honestly I think it really is such, uh, like an enabler in this age of digital nomads. I mean, thanks to Oyster and the EOL set up, you know, I can live here in Spain, work here in Spain. Um, so yeah, honestly, I love working for Oyster. It's a mission driven company. Um, my team's amazing and they're so invested as well in career growth. Cause I started, you know, as a bdr. I got into sales as a BDR by accident like after university.

>> Ellen:

O. I didn't know that.

>> Tali:

Yeah, it was just whatever it was. The I applied for so many jobs like after graduating, it was the only one that gave me an interview. This was a different company and the only interview I got and the only job I got. So I was like, okay, I guess I'm a salesperson. So I became a bdr. And then I realized I was quite good at it. And then that's where I came across Oysters. Saw what they do, became, um, a BDR there and then within kind of a year and a bit, I got promoted to account manager. Um, so yeah, they trained me into a full cycle sale professional. And honestly I'm so grateful for the people I've met to work for such a great company to actually every day, even if it is kind of Sales, you know, I know it's not for everyone, but at least I'm selling something I truly believe in and benefit from myself every single day. Yeah.

>> Ellen:

Yeah. I mean, I think I really like Oyster as a company. I really love EOR companies in general because I think it is part of the future of where we're going. So the more that we can get people and companies on board, the better. I'm like, very much pro eor, pro Digital Nomad, or like, asynchronous remote companies.

>> Tali:

Um, if you're interested in using an EO for your company and l can drop my LinkedIn how they'll bel believe.

>> Ellen:

We'Ll get you set up. Um, and then, yeah, learning Spanish. Where did that come from?

>> Tali:

So y school, I've always really liked languages and I've actually spoken French for way longer time than Spanish.

>> Ellen:

But I never hear you speak French.

>> Tali:

Because I get so embarrassed, you know, like, if your accent isn't perfect, French people don't want to hear it.

>> Ellen:

Exactly. Yeah.

>> Tali:

But I did get to practice it this year. We went to Paris for a bit. Um, but, yeah, I spoke French before Spanish. Um, again, because my mom speaks fren. She put me into French class or into a little French club. Like, age four, I think you had to be six to get in there. But she, like, knew the teacher was like, please, can you let my toddler in? And I was the star of the show. I loved it. I was like, doing my whole, like, unid like a cat on a bed, like, explaining all the little stuff. Yeah, I love that. So I started learning French at 4, um, and I didn't start learning Spanish till 12, um, when I was already in secondary school or high school, as you guys call it. Um, so I guess, like, seventh or eighth grade, um, we were given the choice, you know, do you want to do German or Spanish? Kind of as an additional, because I'm still in that age group where we did French first. I think in the UK things have changed. Now it's Spanish or German first.

>> Ellen:

Okay, okay.

>> Tali:

Um, yeah, but I really enjoyed Spanish. The teacher was great. Um, so I just chose to do that. But then with moving to all the different schools, um, obviously not all their timetables work the work the same. So I went from a school where you could choose two languages to a school where you could only do one. And I said, yeah, but I don't want to do that. I really want to do both. I enjoy both. Um, so I had this amazing teacher and I've never been able to track her down. But it was at a school in Scotland. She was called M. Mrs. Morton. It was in Perth in Scotland. If this somehow gets to her, like, thank you, I love you. Um, but, yeah, she was like, you know, if you're willing to learn, I'll teach you. So outside of school hours, twice a week, I'd just go to her, like, one on one, and she'd bring me chocolate and grapes. Yeah, I got one to one Spanish tutoring for a year, and then the timetable fixed itself so I could do it then in a normal class. But honestly, I think that was like the turning point. Just having that teacher who saw that I was eager to learn and wanted to learn, and she gave me a chance. Um, yeah. So I think kind of that gave me such a good basis. And then I did it all the way up to A level, which is kind of, you know, the final exams at 18 in the UK. And, you know, that's when it gets really technical. Like, you're studying films, you're talking about the themes. I, uh, remember in my speaking exam, it was like, her, uh, right, give me kind of two minutes straight on, like gay marriage and civil rights in Spanish. And I'm like, good luck. Yeah. But no, it went really well. And then I honestly, kind of the turning point from it being really good textbook school Spanish to actual fluent Spanish was moving to Chile. So I arrived in Chile, I remember on the border. The. The border agent was explaining, like, your visa expires on this date. And I was like, what languages? This guy speaking to me. Uh, and we had to get out the translator and everything. And I didn't understand because it was Chilean Spanish. Yeah, I was so good at Spanish in school. And this, like, shook me to my core. I was like, I can't understand anything in the real world. Little did I know that I'd basically done the equivalent of, like, learning English at school and then going on exchange to, like, Newcastle or Liverpool or Birmingham. Like an accent like that. Um, so, yeah, Chileian Spanish is a really strong particular accent. Uh, I ended up having that accent. People didn't believe I was British. They thought I was Chillian. Like, oh, go putting it on and taking the piss and pretending to be foreign. Um, but, yeah, kind of long story short, like, it was, uh, you know, great teachers at school and then just having that opportunity to just immerse myself. Because, you know, here in Barcelona, everyone speaks English. Like, you don't come to Barcelona to learn Spanish.

>> Ellen:

No.

>> Tali:

Um, you come to learn Cate Catalan. See us plow. Um, yeah, but having that opportunity to just immerse and like, no one knew enough English to kind of distract me off my path. It would just, they would have the patience to hear me out and try and understand what I wanted to say. Um, yeah, so definitely that was kind of the whole, ah, the whole story of how I kind of got to this level. Um, and it's weird now because people ask me kind of, oh, you know, do you dream in Spanish? I'm like, yeah, more than I dream in English. Wow. And they're like, I don't believe you. I don't understand how that's possible. And I even think in Spanish sometimes. But my sort of internal voice in my head, it depends on like many different things. You know, if I've been on my own, like yesterday my partner was working. We speak Spanish together. I was on my own all day. My internal voice switches to English, then talking to myself. Cause it's just me and the cat. But if it's you, like around lots of people speaking Spanish all the time, like my internal voice is in Spanish.

>> Ellen:

Yeah's soe.

>> Tali:

It's weird when you kind of really like, um, take a moment and kind of study those things. Um, it's really interesting because a lot of the time it kind of happens without one noticing. So.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, I mean, especially with you and Romel speaking Spanish together, it's like, very interesting. But it makes sense that your inner, inner monologue would be, uh, Spanish. Whereas I don't speak it that often, honestly, like unless I'm speaking to a cashier.

>> Tali:

Then it's like, have you had a dream in Spanish before?

>> Ellen:

Yeah, exactly, I've dream in Spanish. But yeah, my inner monologue is. I mean, I'll make comments here or there because it's more like I'm repeating a phrase that is just like. Like a phrase that you get stuck in your head. That's more what happens for me. But I don't speak it that often because I'm not speaking it at home. Like, I don't really speak out loud in general because I'm alone.

>> Tali:

Honestly, I feel like that is the greatest danger of our generation. Like there be some days where I do not say a word. But yeah, obviously with the dreams as well. You know, if I'm dreaming about, uh, like my partner's parents who don't speak English, like, why are they gonna speak English in my dream?

>> Ellen:

No, that wouldn't make sense.

>> Tali:

No. And it's weird, ca. Becausee sometimes they even speak in Spanish and there are some words I don't understand. In my dream that's coming out of my head.

>> Ellen:

The like words that they've said to you before or something.

>> Tali:

I guess so I must have heard them and never understood what they meant. Yeah, but they get reproduced in the.

>> Ellen:

Dream anyway's so interesting.

>> Tali:

The mind is a crazy thing, huh?

>> Ellen:

That's so interesting. But yeah, like, obviously you must have picked up on it subconsciously. It's there somewhere and it's like. What was that word?

>> Tali:

Yeah.

>> Ellen:

We could talk a little bit about what you missed most about the uk.

>> Tali:

Yeah. So it's funny now, I was actually, I was talking to Rommel about this the other day. Um, the UK now, um, it will always be kind of my background and everything there is familiar, but it doesn't feel like home anymore. And you know, what is the reason for that? I think it's a combination with all these moves. You know, my parents moving around so much. So I kind of never had any established friendship group. You know, some people, they go back home, they see their friends from school. Like, I don't have that. I went to a boarding school. Everyone graduated and moved on and went back to their country. Then my parents have moved house I think four times since I graduated the boarding school. So. And me being away, like, there was no opportunity to really like, put down routes. So what I do miss about the UK are kind of silly things. Um, you know, stuff like the variety in the supermarket, uh, like specific products, um, the fact everyone knows how to do a good ceue, like can line up civilized. I miss that. I miss personal spaceah. Um, but yeah, I do think, um, just from a series of events, I've kind of been, I'm now kind of destined to kind of be a bit of a wanderer, a bit of a nomad. Um, I do like going back to the uk, I really do. Um, almost like I've been out of it enough time now that when I go back I feel like tourists. So I only see the nice things and I'm like, this is lush. And ah. I think if I stayed for kind of more than a few weeks, then I'd be like, I'm ready to go back to Spain.

>> Ellen:

That's so interesting because I don't think I have quite the same feeling about the US because my parents have always lived in the same home. So like, I have my, uh, childhood home to go back to, but it still doesn't feel like where I feel like I personally want to stay. So in a way it does feel like I am a bit of a wanderer as well, because I don't feel like a polull to go back. So I'm just kind of like, well I'll try out Spain, I'll try out you living other places and kind of see where I enjoy living. But yeah, it's very weird going back once you've lived outside of your country for so long. Especially because you've also then lived in Chile for a significant amount of time.

>> Tali:

It is a real no man's land. Because I feel now with, let's say, you know, like a personal problem comes up. When I had always lived in the uk, my entire life would go to my parents for help. Culture is so influential about how you see different things. Um, so if I say oh like this thing has happened with uh, you know, in Chile, like with these people, my parents or my family or whoever I go to in the UK would think oh my God, that's crazy behavior. Like you're totally in the right. But if I go to someone in Chile and say this is happening, they be like that's fine, that's not even rude. Like culture is such, it's so influential on how you view things, how you deal with things and react to things. So now I feel that there are not many people in this life I can kind of go to for advice because you know it's gonna be very sort of one sided based on their experiences in their culture. And since I'm kind of so firmly in the middle, like straddling both in a way it's, you know, made me better in the sense of opening my mind and actually maybe, you know, there are different ways to see things. But in another way it has made me lonelier. Um, because there's never going toa be sort of someone who fully understands both sides and can give me kind of that like rational advice which understands kind of where both people are coming from.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, that's, I mean it's when you have more like unique life experiences and like you've been immersed in other cultures, it'it is a bit lonely honestly. Especially like no one will have your exact experience. So then it starts to become more, more isolating I think in that way. On the other hand though, you do meet a lot of people who have moved. Uh, like if you meet more like expats, immigrants, I don't know.

>> Tali:

Mhm.

>> Ellen:

I still don't know where we land on what we're calling everyone. But uh, yeah, the more people you meet that have moved abroad, I think you can at least share that you feel separated from your home country in.

>> Tali:

That way, honestly, that is, you know, to sort of touch on a little bit of a sticky, sticky topic here in Barcelona. That is the reason I don't have many local friends. The reason why all my friends are expats are uh, not because we all speak English and we're all in this little rich girls club together. It's not that. It's the shared experience of being far away from home, from all kind of being, you know, girls in there. Like 20 something, 30 something. Like you bond so much over that shared experience, um, which, you know, people who haven't ever kind of left their hometown. And this isn't just like people in Barcelona, this applies like back in the uk, like sort of the life experiences and issues I might have if I talk to someone who, you know, never left their hometown in the UK would be the same. It's kind of like you can't relate when you make friends. You know, you look for things you have in common, things you can relate on. So honestly, I feel like that's the reason like theats all draw together. Is that shared experience really?

>> Ellen:

I think so too, because I would. I mean, I'm more than happy I've met a lot of locals, but I think there's just a difference in like, cultural preferences. And from what we've learned, or at least like what I know about a lot of Barcelona locals is they tend to kind of stay in their same friend groups since they're young. And that's totally, I mean, totally fine. It's just a different life experience. Like that they are living here, they grew up here, they want to stay friends with the same people that they're comfortable with. And maybe it might take a bit longer to like crack into their friend group, you know, Whereas a lot of people that move abroad are like kind of. Even if we're not nomadic, like we've lived here for a while, but it is still kind of nomadic in a way. Yeah.

>> Tali:

And when you move abroad, you're very open to making new friends in your 20s, which is really hard. Like you're not naturally predispositioned to do that. So if you don't have to do that, you've got your friend group established, you're not going.

>> Ellen:

There's no need to search for it.

>> Tali:

That's why the ex expatsts will end up finding each other because you go on bumble BFF or join the connection clubs and stuff that are here. Um, and that's why everyone's an partt. I don't think it's like, people being selective. I think it's just the shared experience brings you all together.

>> Ellen:

Yeah. And they're all the people that are, like you said, looking for friendships. Like, when I compare it to back in the U.S. like, I wasn't joining, like, U.S. expat groups or, like, people from other countries that moved to the us Which I don't think it's quite as big of a culture to have. Like, well, maybe I don't know because I was a local, so I wouldn't have known, but, like, I wasn't looking to, like, meet people who weren't locals, if that makes sense. So now that I moved here, I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess if you're a local, you're not, like, really going to, like, expat meetups. You know what I mean?

>> Tali:

Like, it would just mean, yeah, you've been in there. Weird.

>> Ellen:

Y. Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, uh, so let's get into how we know each other, which, if I remember correctly, didn't I find you on YouTube or TikTok, and then I messaged you.

>> Tali:

I think. I can't remember what. I think you'd kind of found me on everything.

>> Ellen:

And then, uh, you finally, like, it was probably YouTube, because I don't know if I saw your TikTok at first, but if I remember correctly, I think I was looking at, like, Moving to Barcelona. YouTube videos.

>> Tali:

Yeah.

>> Ellen:

And I probably saw, like, yours when you had first moved here, I think.

>> Tali:

Yeah, I think so. And then we ended up talking on LinkedIn. But, uh, anyway. Yeah.

>> Ellen:

Oh, yeah, because. Yeah, I saw.

>> Tali:

Okay, because you remember eor or something like that.

>> Ellen:

I saw you worked for Oyster, but I think I had seen your content first and then saw that you worked for Oyster. And I was like, oh, well, I've actually been looking at Eorss because I was planning on moving to Spain myself. I was like, well, Oyster seems like a great option. Like, you know, and then that's how we got connected. Ultimately, it didn't work out. I would have loved if it did, but, yeah, that's how we got connected. I found you and I said, hi.

>> Tali:

Yeah. And honestly, like, in Chile, all my closest friends I still have from Chile, um, were all made via TikTok. Um, wow. So I was very open to you messaging me and I was like, yeah, sure. Like, I would, you know, love more friends. I had no friends. I just moved in that moment. Um, yeah, so I guess that's how we met. Um, you know, I was sort of big on my YouTube game at that minute because I Was sort of very much stillew. And like, I've just moved to Spain. Like, this is so exciting. There were vlogs going up every other week. Um, and then I had, you know, my tiktoks going on as well. Um, so, yeah, I guess that's how we met. Um, bonding over again, shared experience.

>> Ellen:

Pretty much. Yeah. I was like, I'm moving to spade.

>> Tali:

I'm so excited.

>> Ellen:

Um, yeah. And then I would love to know a little bit more about, like, your journey from Chile, how you met Romel, how you came to Spain, like, what happened once you moved to Chile and your experience there and kind of like how you m. Came to Barcelona. And then eventually we met in person for the first time.

>> Tali:

Okay. Yeah. So kind of a lot of, uh, life events happened there. So I first went to Chile, like I said, after school for this kind of program, um, to teach English. Uh, I did that. Uh, I came back. I went to university. University was online. I went back to Chile. So I was living there for about two years, sort of during the pandemic. Um, you know, I had a relationship at that point with someone from Chile, uh, that broke down. Um, so I was kind of out there living, like my best single life. Quarantine just lifted. Like, honestly, I was living my life. And I just remember at that time, like, it was, uh, Anwell at that time was my favorite reton argus. I was so in it. I think I was like, 21 at the times. I was like, absolutely loving it. The new album came out. Um, I was freshly single. I was living life and all my, like, TikTok friends I'd made during quarantine. We could finally meet in person and do loads of things, and it was just great. And then I met Rameel through a friend. Um, she was Spanish. Um, she had a Venezuelan boyfriend. Uh, he bought his friend that was Roel. That's how we met. Um, so, yeah, we started seeing each other, um, in Chile. It was you really nice. Um, and then I suddenly got told I have to show up in London, um, for the job I had at the time. Um, and if I didn't, like, you don't have a job to come back to. And I was like, I've been here like two years and I've just gotta leave my whole life behind, like, in a week. So I went to Rommel and I was like, u. So this has happened. We've been dating like two or three months. And, uh, I was like, if, you know, you want to leave things here, like, I totally understand that. But in the end we said no, we don't want to leave things here. Even though we've been dating three months. Like how do we make this work? And you know, the obvious answer for you know, papers, language, etc. Is Spain. Barcelona was literally the choice because it was the easiest one in terms of paperwork. Um, you know, I didn't want to be in a situation like I was in Chile where my visa was tied to someone and basically, uh, was without any kind of, was'n't able to do anything myself. Like, yes, I wasn't illegal or anything like that, but just like the fact that that breakdown of relationship had happened, like basically ruined my visa chances. So I would have eventually had to sort that out. So I wanted to be in a situation where both of us had like full autonomy, had papers, weren't reliant on anyone else. Um, so after doing some research, talking to lawyers, like Barcelona was the answer for that.

>> Ellen:

Mhm.

>> Tali:

Wow.

>> Ellen:

I mean, yeah, when you consider likeus, you're Irish as well, so you have an EU passport.

>> Tali:

Exactly, yeah. Uh, and then shout out to my grandma and my mum, my mum for doing all the paperwork. As soon as Brexit was announced, my mum was on the DFA website, like Irish passport for everyone.

>> Ellen:

Yes, absolutely. That's kind of. Well, thankfully my mom did it for me as well because I have a Hungarian passport, but she did it back in, in 2016, 2017. And I was like, why are you doing this? Thank you, mom. Because I did not have the foresight.

>> Tali:

I think it begins with a ta.

>> Ellen:

Yeah. So thankfully we both have EU passports which we're very, very lucky to have. Um, but that was part of the reason why I'm sure you chose or. Well, with the lawyer's help and everything. But then Romel, how does his paperwork work between Venezuela and Spain?

>> Tali:

So Spain, um, is just very generous in the sense of, you know, is an asking for tourist visas. You can come easily, uh, two years legal residency. They'll give you Spanish citizenship if you're Latino. Um, so it just, it's very generous in its, uh, kind of immigration laws, um, for people from what they call Ibero, uh, Latino countries. So basically anywhere that was previously colonized by Spain, um, so that's all of Latin America, Brazil, even though obviously that was Portugal, um, and the Philippines I think. So they can get citizenship a lot quicker. So kind of thinking long term, uh, at the time we kind of weren't that focused on the citizenship. But you know, time passes like that. Romel'just put in a Citizenship request. So, you know, it's so exciting.

>> Ellen:

It's like, yeah. I mean, because what, Dating for three months and then just being like, okay, like, are we gonna do this crazy move with paperwork and, like, we're both moving to a country we've never lived in before. Like, that's a crazy move.

>> Tali:

And it was so nuts, honestly, because I came here first on my own just whilst he was figuring a few things out and wrapping up loose ends. Like, I was here for six weeks just, like, bopping about Spain, like, on my own, didn't know anyone. I was like, oh, well, let's hope he arrives.

>> Ellen:

Like, ye.

>> Tali:

He might not imagine I'd be like, I've just moved to spayet on my own. Like. And the guy never turned up.

>> Ellen:

Oh, my God. Thankfully he did. But that is. Yeah, that's like, when you think about it, like, wow. A lot of paperwork, a lot of, like, big decisions.

>> Tali:

But, you know, what helped was I think I was 22 at the time. I'm not sure would've made those decisions. Now, being older, I think it bit more impulsive. Yeah, I think kind of very much had like, the kind of FAFO attitude. I was like, whatever.

>> Ellen:

It's kind of like d PL like, that's why I moved to Barcelona. I had like, the FAFO attitude as well. And I was just like, well, I have nothing to wait around for. Like, I don't know, like, there's nothing that I need to stay in the US For. So, like, yeahuck it. I'll just try, see what happens.

>> Tali:

We fed around. We found outah Happy days.

>> Ellen:

Thankfully. Because it's not that easy to just, uh, fuck around and find out. It takes a lot of preparation.

>> Tali:

I d say I could now, but.

>> Ellen:

Thankfully it worked out. Now you're here. And then, yeah, I moved here in May of 2023. And like, um, obviously I was telling you, like, okay, I'm moving.

>> Tali:

Bl blahah.

>> Ellen:

And then we hung out, like, the first week I was here. So you were the first friend that I met when I was here.

>> Tali:

Yeah, yeah, it was. It was such a weird moment. It was like when you see, like, a celebrity for the first time, you're like, oh, like that real.

>> Ellen:

I've seen your face for, like, two years.

>> Tali:

I felt like I knew you because we'd, like, spoken for like, a year and a half.

>> Ellen:

A year and a half?

>> Tali:

Yeah. And then I saw you in person. I was like, this is so strange.

>> Ellen:

But now I'm so used to meeting, like, Internet friends in person. I've met, I've met quite a few so far. And yeah, I've meet a lot of my friends on social media as well. Like it's just maybe part of the new, new generation.

>> Tali:

Yeah. Touchwood. No one's been a weirdo yet, uh, thankfully. But I think you can read quite well. Just. Yeah. Even online.

>> Ellen:

Because I'm not like, it's kind of a different topic. I don't want to go on a tangent, but there is something to be said for like how you reach out to people.

>> Tali:

Like on what platform?

>> Ellen:

Ye. Yeah, there's a way to do it.

>> Tali:

Tell.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, yeah. So anyway. But yeah, you also have a podcast.

>> Tali:

I do, yeah. So there's two seasons. Um, I actually started it back in 2021 when I was in deep quarantine in Chile. So I think it was August 21st that I started filming, so. Cause it's southern hemisphere, that was deep winter. But the reason I started actually was I in Chile was kind of the first time I came into contact with people from Venezuela. Before that, Venezuela for me was seeing shit kick off in the news. Um, and um, Danny Ocean, like that was all I knew. Um, and I was meeting people from Venezuela and I was like, had like a natural affinity at the beginning, you know, just girls, uh, just girlfriends I was meeting. And I was just so impressed by their stories, honestly. Um, they'd go to Chile for, you know, whatever reason, looking for other opportunities and they'd set up businesses and honestly I was just inspired and I wanted to share their stories. And the idea of the podcast was to be bilingual. Um, because like I said, you know, where I'm from, you don't necessarily know that much about Venezuela or kind of any Latin American countries. So my kind of idea was to take these stories. Sure I'd interview them in Spanish, but there'd be English subtitles, get it to my English speaking audience. Um, and the idea was to be bilingual and to get those stories kind of onto a bigger stage than they would have normally. Um, yeah, so that's kind of what inspired me was listening to their stories. Um, so the premise of the podcast, it's called Starting over and you know, it's when people have to kind of start again in life, taking new opportunities and you know, hearing how they've done it and you what the challenges have been and how they've got to success.

>> Ellen:

I love the concept and I love being on. Oh, that was like a year ago almost.

>> Tali:

Yeah.

>> Ellen:

Oh my goodness, that was. I mean time flies. But uh, yeah, I love. I remember when I first found your YouTube channel, and there was, like, a few m. Podcast episodes from when you were living in Chile first on. And I was like, I love these episodes. Like, they're just so sweet. Like, just ch. Chatting with friends. Che.

>> Tali:

Yeah'love uh, low budget, like, but it's so sweet.

>> Ellen:

That's all you.

>> Tali:

They were authentic. Honestly, in the stories, I think from the first season, my favorite story is from a Venezuelan girl called Beatriz. Um, you know, she. She was younger than me. I think she was, like, 18. And she literally, like, just optped and left and worked her way down to Chile. Like, worked, made the money, moved on to the next country. Did that, like, repeatedly until she made it down to Chile. Like, literally so young. And then the second season, um, I speak to Vicki, who's also from Venezuela. She's a nail artist. And how she. Again, she was super young. I think she's like, five years younger than me or something like that. And, like, the head on her shoulders is amazing. You know, she's put together this whole business. She has employees working for her. Like, it's just incredible. And honestly, that story you just see repeated through, um, in all these, like, Venezuelan immigrants I've come into contact with, I just see that story repeated, and it is amazing, and it is inspiring. And honestly, they have something when it comes to resilience and entrepreneurship and making something out of nothing, basically. So, honestly, I'm so inspired by them every day.

>> Ellen:

Um, yeah, Yeah, I love. I mean, I love that. That's the concept that you have for your episodes. And, like, it's just super interesting to learn about, especially different cultures, because, like, you said, like, in the U.S. yeah. Um, guys, people from the U.S. we're not really, uh, given a proper history lesson. Um, we get, like, the, you know, special, like, American version, but we don't really learn, like, properly about other countries.

>> Tali:

So geography go out the window.

>> Ellen:

Yeah. Geography, history. Like, we get the. Yeah, we get the, like, special. America is the best version.

>> Tali:

Is this true, by the way? In your classrooms, the world map is different and the US Is in the middle. Or is that a lie?

>> Ellen:

I don't remember. Uh, no. I think for the most part, it's always like, the US Is on the left, and then.

>> Tali:

Okay, so someone's winding me up then.

>> Ellen:

But I could be wrong. I don't really pay attention to school that much, but, yeah, just to point out, like, when you're an adult, you meet other people. Like, you learn from their experiences. Like, it's so much different than you learn in school. Like in the US like those stuff that we're like, given. I don't know if it's the same in the.

>> Tali:

I think even then you have to really want to learn to kind of hear about other countries because I look at you, even our own history curriculum, it is very, you know, Britain Focus and I know we've had in 2020 after Black Lives Matter, we had a real push to um, decolonize the curriculum because it's very much you, um, our nice polished version of events and exactly what happened.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, yeah, well the US Is like Britain's little brother or whatever. I'm sure many people will not agree with that. But you know we were born from somewhere so yeah, we uh, have a lot of the same, uh, like polished.

>> Tali:

You know, whenever you guys get into sh T like wear the backup and vice versa. Like we just always seem to be like shit kicking off and both of us are there. So.

>> Ellen:

Exactly. So lots of similarities there. Um, but yeah, uh, and then talking about social media, TikTok, how we met also, how did you initially gain followers? Why did you start posting on social media? Like what platforms did you start posting on the most?

>> Tali:

Yeah, so I always enjoyed creating content at university. They had like a student bloggers, uh, society. I was one of them. Uh, but when I first heard of TikTok, I was in lockdown in my parents house and I could just hear my sister like listening to these little annoying noises like on repeat. And I was like what is she doing? You know, it was like D D D, you know the little dance D. Uh, what else was there? Like the spinning monkeys, you know those like lockdown sounds, the nostalgia Y. I was like, girl, what are you doing? She's like, oh, it's this like TikTok. I was like, oh, is that like that musical?

>> Ellen:

It was musically, yeah.

>> Tali:

Because I remember my like little cousin who's like super Gen Z, uh, making stuff on musically and I just went straight over my head and I was like, oh, I'm not doing that. I see how you're addicted every day. Like, um, I'm not doing as for children. Here I am now with nearly 200 cable on TikTok. So um, I downloaded it so I could have a laugh so I could pass the days so I could watch something else other than Boris Johnson talking about people dying. It was a depressing time.

>> Ellen:

Yeah.

>> Tali:

Um, so yeah, I was on TikTok. Um, I had it for like a year, um, during lockdown. And then when I moved back to Chile, um, carry on university online. Uh, when I traveled and arrived. Um, I got Covid. So I then had to, like, lock down again. I decided to just post some videos, I think. I honestly didn't think anyone would see them. It's the classic story. Like, I was kind of just posting to, like, my 10 followers, and I found this sound, which was just like, basically, like, his Chileian neighbors screaming at each other. Um, and I was, like, pretending to be in the window, like, writing down the words ca becausee it's chiley and Spanish. I was like, oh, I need to find out, like, what that means and what that means. And, like, now I look back, I'm like, oh, my God. I didn't even understand, like, how hideous this language is. Like, they were going at each other. Like, the sound is really funny, but, uh, it's not, uh, a safer work. Um, and that video just went super viral. I remember one day, like, sat in quarantine, and I was called, like, oh, your lunch is ready. And I was like, I'm coming, ca. Becausee my phone was like. Like, back when I had, you know, all the notifications on. On TikTok, like, what is going on? And, like, I went to have my lunch. I came back 20 minutes later, I had 10k followers. And I was like, oh, my God, this is crazy. And it just went up and up and up and.

>> Ellen:

Oh, my gosh.

>> Tali:

Yeah. So that's how I then just kind of rode that wave, like, made content being, you know, a British person living in Chile. Um. And, yeah, it went from there.

>> Ellen:

Oh, my God. I never. I guess we never talked about it before. I didn it t. You know, how you, like, initially kicked off and, like, got the followers. But. Yeah, so then it just grew from there. You made videos mostly about probably, what, like, being a foreigner living in Chile first?

>> Tali:

Yeah, honestly. So, you know, whenever there was an earthquake, I was there taking the piss, like, crying, you know, it's really scary for me. And the chibians are like, oh, it's just a tremor. Um, yeah. And just anything. Also, you know, it was lockddown. I was still kind of studying for uni, like, doing finals. So when I wasn't studying, I was making tiktoks. Um, yeah. And then I got invited to do, like, collabs and stuff. I remember my first video that hit a million views was, um, for this hotel, like, in the middle of Santiago that had a beautiful bar called Luna Bar. Um, and I just went with my friends, like, on a girl's night, filmed a video. I look at the video now, I'm like, There was like such low like budget editing. Like, honestly, I didn't know what I was doing. But it got like over a million views.

>> Ellen:

That's like sometimes the ones you put the least effort into, honestly.

>> Tali:

Yeah. And I was shook, um, and the hotel invited me back to do like paid collab. Um, you know, I got to experience like stuff I'd never experienced before. Um, yeah, I got into, did a bit of modeling as well. Like it opened so many doors. Yeah. Honestly, like I had so many opportunities, met so many people in Chile. It was wonderful.

>> Ellen:

And then now you post, um, what you post more recently like on TikTok.

>> Tali:

On TikTok. Honestly, like I'm a working girl.

>> Ellen:

Like it's hard to.

>> Tali:

My boss might be watching this. I'm like, I spendt my whole day working. I don't have time for TikTok because I feel, you know, I put so much into my job now. I actually put more into kind of my LinkedIn post, you know.

>> Ellen:

Yes, yep.

>> Tali:

Talking about sales, AI, how to get jobs, how to get into, you know, tech sales and do a lot of that on LinkedIn. Um, but with TikTok it's very much still kind of just the funny like culture differences with my boyfriend. Kind uh, of as of when something's happens like we'll make a funny video. Um, yeah.

>> Ellen:

I enjoy them though because I love like in general, I enjoy yours but also like other like maybe mixed culture couples or like, you know, people that live in another country. Like culture shock type videos. They are usually pretty entertaining. Uh, and then are you creating any new content as far as this year? Because it is 2025 now.

>> Tali:

Yeah. So I did have a thing if you guys watched a previous episode, um, where you interviewed Yolli and you know, you know what she does. So I had a little call with her. I think I might enlist, huh, her help to kind of rejig everything. But kind of my what I want to do is kind of get truer to myself, you know, talk about stuff that matters to me. I think as well, maybe I should take a bit of an educational spin on TikToks this year. You know, uh, my dad's a teacher. I've worked in education before. I really believe that education is the biggest game changer when it comes to someone's uh, you chances of success. Um, so yeah, I wanna kind of do a little bit of like, um, you know, if you want to learn English, this is what I would do. Um, you know, sort of fun facts, fun things to learn about my home country. Uh, Things I can share. So maybe go a bit more down that road. Um, but either way it's probably going to be a bit more of the same. And I would love to do a third series of Starting Over. Yeah, it's just, you know. Well, I'm sure, you know, when it's a one man show takes up a lot of time.

>> Ellen:

I know. And since I live alone and I don't have like pets, I don't really have any other obligations. Like I can dedicate a bit more time to this. Um, but yeah, like it. It is a lot of time. But I do enjoy it. But yeah, I mean, juggling like a regular job and then trying to also do content creat creation.

>> Tali:

A mother of one.

>> Ellen:

Exactly.

>> Tali:

Drake co taking up all my time. I don't have a baby, guys. I have a capt just to make that clip.

>> Ellen:

But I mean even just having a pet, like, it also just takes more money as well. Ah, it's just time.

>> Tali:

Also now I have the pet. Like how am I supposed to record? Like, he's in there, he sees a cable, he's in there.

>> Ellen:

I was gonna say he's just gonna be batting cables.

>> Tali:

No, this climbing on the tv, this would be gone. Like, honestly.

>> Ellen:

So that makes it. It's just another hurdle. You know what I mean? Um, yeah, like, I don't know if we'll hopefully see the lighting. I got two softbox lights.

>> Tali:

Uh, that's why we look so peng.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, hopefully we'll see in post. But yeah, it's like just uh, the investment, the time, like that's so hard.

>> Tali:

But you have a lot to talk about. That's what I thought it was like. Look, Ellen bangs one out every week and everyone is good. I'm like, what am I meant to talk about? What have I done this week? Like cry over my customers, like strt my cat.

>> Ellen:

But you could like the same ideas you have for your TikTok. Just, you know, pull it out into a podcast episode.

>> Tali:

Yeah.

>> Ellen:

If you. But also that's not really what your podcast is about either. So it's harder because yours are a lot more like, uh, interview based.

>> Tali:

Yeah.

>> Ellen:

Yeah.

>> Tali:

And doing an interview like that takes obviously the planning, like finding a date, you know, getting the schedule, discussing topics. Yeah, but you know, it will come. It will come. I need to feel inspired and have the time. Usually when I have a trip to Chile, I feel inspired and I've just booked one for the end of March. So you s. Get the creative juices.

>> Ellen:

Oh my gosh. Yeah. That's like as soon as it turned January 1st, I was like, I need just start booking trips for this year. I need something exciting to look forward to. Like, just traveling usually helps.

>> Tali:

Same literal, like bank, credit card, we're out of it.

>> Ellen:

Just pretend it's monopoly money. Just pretend. I don't see. I do not see. Um, yeah, but so speaking of culture shocks on social media, your relationship with Romel, like, how did. Well, we kind of discussed how you met, but like the differences between your backgrounds, things like that.

>> Tali:

Yeah. Okay. So I think there are obviously the differences which I think we focused on a lot on our TikTok. There's 10 year age gap, which I don't feel that much and sort of, you know, when people think, oh my God, like what have you got in common? Like it's, you know, mid-20s, mid-30s.

>> Ellen:

I think once you're older to it, does it like you don't notice it much.

>> Tali:

Like I said to him, I was, I feel like realistically Maybe there's a five year age grab. It doesn't feel like 10. But in that there is kind of a generational difference and that's exacerbated then by the culture difference. Um, but what brings us together is we'both brought up Catholic there. I see a lot of similarities between sort of the Irish background, the Irish upbringing, the culture and the sort of Latino culture, the Catholic upbringing. So that's actually really helped. It's the first relationship I've ever had where we've both, um, had the same religion. Ye and I think it really helps in terms of like aligning on values. Um, yeah, so that's important to me. I didn't think it was until I had it. But honestly, for sure, it really helps to kind of have, you know, a partner, not just kind of in life, but, you know, in kind of like that path of discovery as well. Like having someone you can go to church with. We're kind of both like the same, like strength of Catholic as well. Like we're kind of dipp in and out.

>> Ellen:

Ye.

>> Tali:

You know, we're both kind of very much on the journey. Like, you know, we're very aware, kind of're, we're not perfect. Uh, we sort of need help and guidance to get there to be better people. Um, and kind of the bottom line is loving your neighbor as it says in the Bible. I think even if you're not religious. I think that's a really, a really good kind of motto to go by in life. You know, don't do harm to others. Like just try and do your best to know, be a kind person. And I honestly think it can apply to everything. So kind of rather in focusing on our differences like that has been a very uniting factor. Um, and also just I think looking at my Irish background, that helps me to understand kind of where he's coming from a lot of the time. Um, you know. Cause my grandma emigrated to the uk, she was actually on her way to the us um, so in another life.

>> Ellen:

Oh, my God. Wow, that's crazy.

>> Tali:

It's just so.

>> Ellen:

Butterfly effect.

>> Tali:

Yeah. I'm not sure the reason why she came to the UK first. Maybe it was to make more money and then pay for, um, the boat over. Um, I'm not sure. Um, but anyway, she met my granddad and stayed in the uk, but she came from, I think. I can't remember where. I think they were nine. Nine siblings. Wow. Um, and, you know, just very sort of similar stories to a lot of what I'm told about Venezuel. Like very large families, kind of very traditional values. So a lot of the time, you know, rather than thinking, oh my God, that's so different to like the UK and my country, like, it's very, very similar to kind of what my grandma comes from. But yeah, in terms of differences, it's difficult because obviously, like I am Gen Z, obviously I was brought up in kind of modern Britain and sometimes, you know, there are things which are not conscilable. Um, and that is hard. And sometimes you have to agree to disagree. Um, and you know, I think as well, I did make a TikTok about this rather than kind of your before. You know, your initial reaction would be like, I simply just don't agree with that. And that's not, for me, it's very much opened my mind. Um, I always used to think my culture was right. What I've been taught is right because it's modern, because we're more progressive, because we know more basically. And I've come to realize that that's not true. Uh, that is not the way to see things. Um, sure. There are still some things to this day where, you know, I don't agree or I do things differently, but it has been, uh, an experience of opening my eyes and opening my heart to. You might actually not have the right answer. That is something to learn from this other culture, from this other way of doing things. And honestly, I would credit kind of my ability now to adapt to new situations without kind of falling apart. That's from kind of watching all these like, Venezuelan role models. And you Know, I haven't got much to cry about compared to some of the stuff like my friends have gone through. Um, you know, that's not to discredit anything I've been through, but kind of I draw strength from that and say, look how they've dealt with it. You know, you can do this. They understand. And. Yeah, I just. I think in terms of, again, what I've learned, um, none of us are the owner of the truth. Yes. You know, we all have our truth, but I really think it's an important life lesson to understand, uh, if you can hear where someone else is coming from, usually the answer is somewhere in the middle.

>> Ellen:

Yeah.

>> Tali:

So honestly, I would say, like, my biggest takeaway from this, like, multicultural relationship is I'm not the owner of the truth. I'm not necessarily right. Usually it's somewhere in the middle. And as long as kind of you both have your heart and your mind open to the other, it will workah. Despite the differences 100%.

>> Ellen:

I think, like, that's what, uh, most people in the world could take that advice. No one is the owner of the truth is very important.

>> Tali:

It's really hard, especially when, you know, if it's sort of a fundamental, you know, like, life think, like, let's take an example rather than talking in the abstract. But, like, uh, you know, you want to raise a child a certain way, and your partner wants to raise this hypothetical child a certain way, you can either both say, like, no, this is how I want to do it. And, like, we'll disagree. And if neither of us can agree on how to raise a child, we're not going to have one. And you may even end up leaving the relationship for something like that. What I would say is, you know, you've got to embrace and. Except you knew going into this relationship with your eyes wide open that you were from to maybe generational and cultural backgrounds. Um, you knew that going into this, what you need to do is kind of bring the best of yours and the best of theirs and channel that. And that's really kind of what I'm trying to do, like, take the best of mine and take the best of what I've learned from him and sort of channel that going forward.

>> Ellen:

And I think a lot of, like, even though I'm not religious, I appreciate how you, you know, take on religion and like, your take on it, like, what you learn about and how you see. I guess religion, like, just do best buy the people around you, like, do kind things for people, like, treat everyone the same. I think a Lot of what you learn and like that you both share that can be like the leading. I guess I don't know what I'm trying to say. Like the best part of how you can come together and like get over those differences is like hundred a lot of like being open and learning and being like open to other things that are different than what you know. And like, um, a lot of it is just being open minded and not defensive about like being right or wrong, you know, things like that.

>> Tali:

Yeah, for sure. I think if you've got kind of the um, like the base values that you share, let that be your driving force rather than what you don't share.

>> Ellen:

Mhm. Because there's a lot that I'm sure you could just pick and like pick, pull things apart and it's just not productive for anyone.

>> Tali:

You don'you.

>> Ellen:

Could do that for any relationship. Like we have differences being from different backgrounds. Like me and Yoli have different differences being from Brazil and the us like everyone is going toa have differences. Obviously that's just a given. So yeah, it's nice that you guys can and share that and learn from each other.

>> Tali:

And yeah, I think it's got to be this way because you know, the situation Venezuela'in at the moment has meant that we've got this um, diaspora hour across the world. And the next generation, um, of Venezuelan children, a lot of them are gonna be half something, half the other or full Venezuelana brought up in a totally different country. Um, so I honestly think like this is kind of the future, um, in the globalized world. And you know, even here in Barcelona, like there's a little um, group of school kids that walk past my house to go to the swimming pool every week at the same time and they all hold hands in twos together. But like it's a whole mix of different nationalities and ethnicities and you look at them as children, you're like, this is the future. They're all like, you know, chatting away together, holding each other's hand and um, I really like that. It kind of resonates with me. Sweet.

>> Ellen:

Um, yeah, especially when you see kids too. They're so innocent. They don't know like the angry opinions of the world. Like they don't know that anything like that.

>> Tali:

So yeah, that's all learn when you look at kids, you're like, you know, kids are kids and they play with each other and they're not bothered about the differences.

>> Ellen:

O, that's so sweet.

>> Tali:

Yeah.

>> Ellen:

So moving on to more of current day living in Barcelona. What do you like most about living in Barcelona?

>> Tali:

Well, is any good British person, it would be the weather.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, same.

>> Tali:

Any Brit who would say the same? Uh, yeah, it's definitely the weather. I, um, think Spain in general, much, um, more of a relaxed vibe than the uk. Uh, I, um, feel, you know, life is a little bit slower here. Um, you work to live rather than live to work. Um, Barcelona itself, the city is beautiful. I remember just how impressive it was when I first came out of the Sagrada Familr metro station that first time. And I was like, wow, it's magical. It is magical.

>> Ellen:

Yeah.

>> Tali:

And I'm so lucky to live where I do like this. We live really close to each other, um, along PA de Gracia and just beautiful. Like, I'll get one of the electric bikes and just begin to run an errand.

>> Ellen:

I'm like, what, you bike here?

>> Tali:

Yeah. I didn't know you bikes for the last two years on the red bikes. I't.

>> Ellen:

I don't think we've ever talked about it.

>> Tali:

Yeah, I'm always zipping around on these things.

>> Ellen:

I had no idea. Why is that so funny to me? Because I'm scared to bike still. I've never biked.

>> Tali:

It was scary when I first started. Um, and I've had a few, like, old ladies shout at me in Catalan and I'm like, haven't got enough.

>> Ellen:

I'm trying.

>> Tali:

Haven't got enough duolingo to shout back.

>> Ellen:

I need to practice my insults anyways. But, yeah. So you bike around?

>> Tali:

Yeah. Um, and honestly, I just, I think always hits me when I'm, like, zipping on the bike, like, the wins in my hair, and I'm like, I'm literally going to, like, buy some cat litter. But it's so magical. Romanticize your life.

>> Ellen:

It is nice. I wish I could bike here, but I'm too scared. Maybe I'll follow you around.

>> Tali:

There are a lot of bike lanes, so if you know the lanes and the lights, so I don't see you having any issues.

>> Ellen:

Yeah.

>> Tali:

Uh, it is built for bikes. There's a lot of infrastructure.

>> Ellen:

As long as. I just need to figure out which streets have the bike lanes, because not all of them do.

>> Tali:

Oh, I just. I put the Apple Watch on, press like that. You're going on bike and not car a public transport, and it will guide you through.

>> Ellen:

Okay. All right. Wow. Internet is a crazy thing, technology. We love it. Um, yeah. So you've been here for how many years now? Two years.

>> Tali:

Nearly three.

>> Ellen:

What?

>> Tali:

Yeah, I know. I can't Believe it.

>> Ellen:

Wait. Yeahu. I guess. Yeah. 2022.

>> Tali:

I was here for a year before you arrived. Yeah.

>> Ellen:

Oh my God.

>> Tali:

Yeah.

>> Ellen:

Crazyaz.

>> Tali:

Three years at the end of April.

>> Ellen:

Yeah. Wow.

>> Tali:

Mhm.

>> Ellen:

So what? And you. Wait, where did you move? Because you moved first. So where did you first move? When you lived here or when you.

>> Tali:

I've always been in the same place. Have I spent 10 days in an Airbnb with a crazy lady who like spillt boiling water on my foot. That was a whole saga. It was nuts. Like honestly, I was so. I was desperate to go and I was desperately looking for an apartment and I was so lucky with this one. So yeah, I've always been in the same place.

>> Ellen:

Yeah. Now that I think about it. Yeah. From me. Re like moving to Barcelona vlog. It has been the same apartment.

>> Tali:

Yeah. But it has taken me two and a half years to furnish it. So just to kind of demonstrate realistic growth, I put a YouTube video up when we decorate for Christmas. It was like, look the apartment and looks cute. Now like this is what we've done the full apartment tour. But this is two and a half years later than when I filmed the empty apartment tour. Like it's not normal to be able to furnish a house like that when you're an immigrant and you've started from zero in a new country. It took time.

>> Ellen:

That's why I'm like, I love this apartment that I'm in currently, but it came furnished and I, I want to stay in this apartment longer, but I don't know if I will be able to after this year. Like maybe I can swindle them and like change the contract. But it's a temporary contract so I can only stay until December.

>> Tali:

And yeah, the whole real estate thing.

>> Ellen:

Here is I don't want to move. I don't want like, I want a long contract, but I don't want to have to furnish the apartment. That's I'm uh, just.

>> Tali:

It is a saga. I don't like it. We ate every meal on the floor for eight months.

>> Ellen:

Yeah. Sometimes you just gotta, you know, sometimes it'd be like that uh, four meals with the tv.

>> Tali:

I remember the first night in that apartment. I um, think I arrived on 1 May in that apartment. So it was a bank holiday. So my bed didn't get delivered. So I had to run up to decathlon, get like a blow up mattress and I slept in this like full like big apartment, empty, echoing just like me alone like on this blo up mattress, working on this blow up mattress, eating on the damn thing. I didn't even have a fridge at the beginning. So it's like eating tins like ah. It wasn't that cute or romantic but you know, you start.

>> Ellen:

That's kind of how it just works though. Like that's how I. It was when my ah. When I moved to Arizona at first from Minnesota. Like I remember the same thing. I got a blow up mattress. My mom and I, because she came with me, we were both sleeping on the floor.

>> Tali:

Oh, that's nice.

>> Ellen:

Nice.

>> Tali:

Had someone because I was like there was this moment when I was sat on that bloody blow up mattress and I was like, oh my God. Like this is so mo was like if I died now, like who would know? I don't know anyone this country. I work remotely. Like who would know?

>> Ellen:

It's scary. I mean it is kind of like I'm sure someone would know.

>> Tali:

Yeah, obviously. But I just had a moment. I was like, I have no one.

>> Ellen:

You just like in this empty apartment on an air mattress started have like an anxiety.

>> Tali:

I like, oh my God. Like I have no one. If something happens to me, like the closest people to me, like two and a half hours away, like oh my God.

>> Ellen:

Or like your evil neighbor.

>> Tali:

I actually spoke to her like on the first day I moved in. Uh, the gas wasn't working so I like went to ask like for helpah and I thought like she, I thought like she was ill or something because she didn't even speak to me or repl. She just like shook her head and like closed the door. She does speak because she threatened to call immigration on me a few months later. But you know, that's another story for another day.

>> Ellen:

O sweet interactions with the neighbors. Um, anyway, uh, we did talk a bit about culture shocks like between you and Romemel, but not so much about like culture shocks living in Spain. So you've moved around quite a bit. I don't know if you want to compare them to the uk, Chile, Venezuela. Like. Right. In general, let's preface this with I.

>> Tali:

Agree with the local people. Barcelona is not Spain.

>> Ellen:

Yes.

>> Tali:

For certain things. Cultural wise, there is a very different culture in Catalonia, Barcelona than the rest of Spain. Um, I would compare like southern Spain is very similar to Latin America and kind of the vibes. Barcelona um, is um, just a bit. It's not as relaxed, like let's put it that way.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I mean it's definitely different than Andalusia. Like.

>> Tali:

Sure.

>> Ellen:

I mean Catalunia is different than I would Say Madrid, Galicia. Like they're all different.

>> Tali:

They're all different. But I think there is a stark difference between here and the rest of Spain.

>> Ellen:

Yeah.

>> Tali:

Um, yeah, so culture differences. Uh, I think the first thing I noticed like three years ago and I was like really confused. Like people stare at you M Like maybe it's not rude here, I don't know.

>> Ellen:

But I think it's just not rude.

>> Tali:

Yeah, I think it's not rude. Usud that would be so rude in the UK they'd be like, what? You know. Yeah, it was wild.

>> Ellen:

Us people are like youn to f you.

>> Tali:

What? Yeah, so a lot of staring but you know, you get over it. You get used to it. I don't even notice it anymore.

>> Ellen:

I don't notice it.

>> Tali:

Yeah, but at the beginning I was like, oh my God, like, what is it? Have I got something on me? Like, what is going on? Um, and also the lack of personal space. Um, as I said earlier, us Brits of love, a good cue. Um, and if you ever bumped into someone like, sorry. No, I'm sorry, Sorry, sorry, sorry.

>> Ellen:

Lots of sorry.

>> Tali:

Lots of sorry. Um, but you know, I love it. I love that for us here, it's like people barge into you, won't even react or say anything. They see you coming with heavy bags, they'll still like plow at you. Like, I just don't understand.

>> Ellen:

I will. I don't think I ever will.

>> Tali:

I don't think I ever will. And you know, I've just given my sermon about like embracing other cultures and open minded, like, this is something I cannot get behind.

>> Ellen:

Like, I don't know.

>> Tali:

I still think it's rude.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, I do. I just, I don't think I'll be the starering. Like we don't notice, but whatever.

>> Tali:

Yeah, but it's like the barging into people, uh, is pret rude. People get upset really easily. Like they end up shouting like so easily, like over nothing. Um, also I think this is tied to like the low salaries. Like they don't pay people enough here. But there's a lot of just like, cannot be asked. A lot of like jobs are not done properly. I guess caus people aren't motivated, you know, for, I mean, but so little.

>> Ellen:

If I was in the same position, I would be like, yeah, I can. I don't be.

>> Tali:

Fair enough. Yeah, fair enough.

>> Ellen:

You're not paying me enough to care, girl.

>> Tali:

I'll give Ellen a box of hair dyes. Gonna like fry her hair off. Like happened to you the other week.

>> Ellen:

Exactly. Speaking of Which I put it back in my drawer. I'm like, I need to throw that out before I forget and like, use it again. But, yeah, it's nice. I like thatk you. Thank you. Yeah, there's a lot going on, but it's melted together.

>> Tali:

Um, but yeah, I think one thing which I am tired of hearing about, but fully understand why it's a topic is like, the taxes. And I don't mean kind of income taxes, high, whatever. So it is in the UK as well. It's the, like the freelancers, the Aldonmos, like these people are shafted by the government. Um, you don't make any money as a freelancer. You've had like a terrible quarter or you've taken a break. You're still paying like, uh, think it's a€300 subscription.

>> Ellen:

Like per month.

>> Tali:

Just per month. Yeah. For the privilege of being registered as a freelancer.

>> Ellen:

They do not encourage entrepreneurship here.

>> Tali:

No, that is the thing and I think that's. That's what is essentially kind of the bottom, bottom line of why we won't settle here permanently. It'just like entrepreneurship here is just killed by the government and the regulations, uh, the tax regulations. There's just no incentives for people to do anything. And I think that's why you see a lot of like, um, like people conforming to, you know, not making a huge amount of money. But it's safe because they work for someone. You're encouraged to work for someone and kind of never like, go your own way. Y. Um, yeah, and it's such a shame because, you know, Chile obviously has its problems, etcetera, but there was a lot of entrepreneurship there and especially from foreigners and, you know, it was encouraged. And I would say in the UK as well, to a certain degree, um, not as much as the us, obviously.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, it's, um, different there.

>> Tali:

But yeah, it's such a shame that, um, yeah, just people's creativity and entrepreneurship is just smothered by just the constant regulation. And sure, a country needs rules for people to abide by for it to work properly, but even you're just a silly example of just how many rules there are in Catalonia. Barcelona specific, obviously, because each region is autonomous. I'm seeing signs all over for like, the five new rules that are coming into practice. Um, to do with like, transport. They're restricting, like the limit speed limit on scooters, like just little things. But it's the cumulative effect that, like on the bike. Sometimes I actually feel worried to go out on the bike just because, like, I Could be breaking some little rule that I'm not aware of. And I know, you know, you go to a new country, like, you learn the rules and I have, but can't keep up.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, there's a lot.

>> Tali:

There's a lot. And I just feel for what we have bigger problems. Like, people are being robbed left, right and center.

>> Ellen:

Uh, like the priorities are a bit.

>> Tali:

Shiftedah, a bit skewed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I would say kind of that on the negative side. But yeah, the biggest one for me is just there's no drive to kind of go your own way. And I understand why, but that's not something that I will never conform to that. So, unfortunately, I don't think I could ever settle here permanently. Despite all the things I love about it. It's a deal breaker.

>> Ellen:

I know. I kind of feel the same way. I really do love living here. But as far, like, I'll probably be in Barcelona for a while, I don't know how long. Honestly, I can't plan even six months ahead. Like, I try, but, you know, things change. So I plan on being here for at least another year or two, but I same thing. I don't think I'll be like, living the rest of my life here because it's. Although I love Spain as a country and I love the climate and like, overall the quality of life is amazing, but I don't think, like, the culture of, like, work and like, entrepreneurship, since ultimately that's what I want for myself. Obviously that's like, we're unique in that. Not everybody wants that. A lot of people are comfortable with just having, like, you do your job, you forget about it when you go home and like, that's it. Like that a lot of people will just want the ease of, like, I do my job, they pay me enough to just not care about if I do it 100%. But whatever, I do my job, they pay me, I go home, I can forget about it and just live a good, quality life. Um, you know, however, the good that is is subjective, of course. But I prefer a bit more of an entrepreneurial, you know, option for myself. And it's just not me too promoted here.

>> Tali:

And they're not changing it. But it's not fair on the locals because, no, if you know, you want to be an entrepreneur, you're born here, you want to be an entrepreneur, you'renna have to go abroad to afford to do it. So that in itself is creating a brain drain. But how are they filling that? Uh, by having the digital nomad visa Bringing in all these people who work for foreign companies pay very little tax in Spain. In turn, all the rents are going up because they've got higher salaries. It's not us that is the problem. If that visa, which I don't think either of us are on.

>> Ellen:

No.

>> Tali:

Um, but, you know, if options like that are available to expats, it's your own government screwing you over there.

>> Ellen:

And landlords. Ye.

>> Tali:

Yeah. It's the law, is there? So local people, their creativity is smothered. They leave, they fill the hole by bringing in people who, um, earn from outside of Spain, pay very little tax. Prices are going up. You know, that's the cycle we're in. And unless the Spanish government do something about that, it is just gonna get worse.

>> Ellen:

Yeah. Because ultimately there needs to be some sort of legislation to reduce the price of autonomo. Like registering as an autonomo.

>> Tali:

Keep your entrepreneurs.

>> Ellen:

Ha.

>> Tali:

In Spain.

>> Ellen:

Rental caps. But they're working on that. Arcelona has been very proactive about that, I will say.

>> Tali:

But I mean, because the prices are just. I think this Barcelona, uh, and the little region above, like the Costa Bra, I think it's the most expensive for real estate in all of Spain. So, uh, the prices are out of control. So I get the fury and the frustration from the local people. But it isn't the foreigner's fault. It is policy.

>> Ellen:

Yeah. Yeah. And like, landlords are ultimately gonna be greedy. And like, they're ultimately. And I. I always think, like, who are the rich people in Spain? Like ca, because you working a regular job. They're not here because they're landlords.

>> Tali:

They're gone.

>> Ellen:

Yeah. They're not like. And if, let's say you're medium wealthy here, you're probably from a family of generations of landlords who have just owned properties for a very long time. So if you're born here, even in the last one or two generations, and you're not from a rich family, the chances that you have to gain a lot of wealth are very small.

>> Tali:

That's why they live.

>> Ellen:

Um. Exactly. So, and like, if you work a regular job, like, I was just talking about this with my friend Marley yesterday, like, in the us, if you work a regular job, like a corporate America job, you can still work your way up and make like, well into the six figures and ultimately have a really great work life balance and make a lot of money. But here, like, even if you're like, a surgeon or like a CEO, like, you're lucky if you make like €90,000 a year.

>> Tali:

Yeah. I mean, just to put it in perspective from a personal example, um, I interviewed it a Spanish company for basically my manager's job. This was a while back, so, like being the team leader, manager of what I was doing. And they were offering, even though it was double the responsibility, half the salary I was currently on.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, that's wild.

>> Tali:

Yeah. So just to put that in perspective.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, but we could drone on about.

>> Tali:

Yeah, we could, we could.

>> Ellen:

Obviously we feel a certain way about it. You know, everyone has their opinions, but I think we can all agree that Spain is not doing what it needs to do to prop people up with the right salaries and.

>> Tali:

And retain their own local talent.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, ye.

>> Tali:

Yeah, they need some change.

>> Ellen:

It's unfortunate, but other than that, obviously we do like living here or we wouldn't live here for now. But just, you know, obviously just because you move somewhere doesn't mean you're going to live there for the rest of your life. I think it will be a while before I decide where I'm going to land forever. I have a lot more traveling to do before I decide that. But, yeah, I guess we can get into a bit more lighth heartted differences, like makeup, fashion. I always find that interesting. Like, uh, when I first moved here, for example, just so you can have an example. Like, I'm very, uh, also just like, even in the us not everyone wears that much makeup. But I remember specifically when I moved here, I'm used to wearing quite a lot of makeup for, like, social media and stuff. Like, I'm very much in, like, the ig, like LA influencer type of makeup. So when I moved here, I was like, I brought like a whole Ziploc bag of like 50 false lashes. I was like, I'm ready to be like, glam. And then I walked out and just was like, sightseeing. And I'm like, oh, I already feel like I'm sticking out like a sore thumb because I have like, a lot of blush on and like a lipstick and like eyeliner and like bronzer. And it was just like, I was like, oh, I feel like I really stick out. Like.

>> Tali:

Yeah.

>> Ellen:

So for me, from the us, like, we wear way more makeup in the us I don't know about you, but.

>> Tali:

No, in the uk, we general, we do wear a lot of makeup. I would say I wear less makeup than kind of I. You see, like the UK baddie makeupeah. Ve I'd said always worn like, half the amount of, like, when UK girls go out. Um, and that's just personal preference. I don't think heavy makeup suits my face, but I do love makeup. Um, I mean, I don't think I'm, like, that good at it. You always say you are, though, but you always say, like, oh, I'm not that good and not an expert. Like, girl, be what I look at your videos, I'm like, I wish. Wish my wings match. We've tried today.

>> Ellen:

They.

>> Tali:

They look amazing. The only reason everything looks good today is because Rommel, like, did a few tweaks. Ral does permanent makeup as his job, so he's tattooing makeup on people, so it's gotta be perfect.

>> Ellen:

Yeah.

>> Tali:

So sometimes I sidled up to him. He was, like, making some pancakes. This morning was like, eyebrows, and he was, like, busy. I'm like, please, they need.

>> Ellen:

I'm gonna film.

>> Tali:

They need to be equal. It was like, right. Pancakes in one hand, like, eyebrow in the other.

>> Ellen:

Oh, my God. Multitasking king. Yeah.

>> Tali:

Gott give him credit where it's due. Yeah. So I definitely think not a lot of makeup. I kind of try. And I would say I go somewhere between, like, the natural look and the kind of, like, Latina look. I love, like, the Latina makeup.

>> Ellen:

Yeah.

>> Tali:

Um, and I just. I feel like it suits me because I have, um, like, the dark hair, but, you know, I have very pale skin. So I try not to do, like, too heavy on the eyes or anything. Um, but then again, in Barcelona, again, a product of kind of the globalization and just how many, uh, foreign people are here. I feel like you now see everything. Um, but I have noticed the way people dress hereir is a lot more kind of relaxed and in some cases, a bit shamboic. But, you know, you do you. Compared to Madrid. Madrid is like. Is my vibe, like, kind of, um, y. Like, I'GONNA say, yeah, ye Madrid. I love the outfits in Madrid.

>> Ellen:

I haven't spent enough time there. We need to go for, like.

>> Tali:

Honestly, it's so nice. It's so nice. And it's very much kind of like me and Roumel's vibe, um, in terms of the clothes. And I think I picked up on that in boarding school because there were a lot of people from Paris, from Madrid, and kind of that's how they've always dressed. Um, you know, kind of like the Spanish bbe. Like, they're always wearing, like, white jeans. But that's not Barcelona. Yeah's true.

>> Ellen:

That's true.

>> Tali:

Yeah.

>> Ellen:

Barcelona, I think, is a bit more like an alternative grunge, a little bit for sure.

>> Tali:

Which is not meeah. Um, but you Know, um, I think that's another reason why you stick out. Um, because again, like the makeup, I just. We look foreign, but then there's so many foreign.

>> Ellen:

We're gonna look fore regardless. So.

>> Tali:

Y. I mean. Yeah, exactly. So I think, yeah, the rest of Spain, um, each kind of community is different. Madrid, like, I think the fashion is pretty good. Um, here it's very um, alternative I would say.

>> Ellen:

But I think there's a big like art and like design scene here. So I think that influences the clothing quite a bit. Like from what I've learned from Yoli, like there's a lot of like fashion designers here and they definitely, from what I've seen, like, I love the fashion, but it's very different than Madrid.

>> Tali:

Yeah, it, it goes over my head, uh, like I'm not that sort of artistic or creative. But now you say that I see some outfits, um, which you can tell thought has gone into them. It's not my style, but it's pretty impressive. But then again, there is just the general kind of vibe of just not dressing up for anything.

>> Ellen:

In a lot of places it's very relaxed. Very relaxed. Ye. Yeah, yeah. So even though you are like, they might be very like into art and fashion, it's not like dressed up in the sense that you're like going out to a fancy dinner and you like, want to look very like proper and prim.

>> Tali:

Like I would say it's more kind of like what can we get from like vintage or secondhan shops?

>> Ellen:

That's also a very big thing here.

>> Tali:

Yeeah. But I mean, good for them. There's a lot of second hand shops here and I think, you know, we do need to do something about reducing waste. So yeah, I guess kind of each to their own. Um, again, in Chile, like I always stuck out because I've always liked to dress kind of like this, um, you know, sort of Madrid, London style always been my vibe. And in Chile again, it's very relaxed, so. Oh, okay. I didn't know that people don't like, don't wear makeup in Chile.

>> Ellen:

Really?

>> Tali:

Yeah. Although people have started to do it more with the influence from Colombia and Venezuela, there's now a lot more kind of like aesthetics available. A lot more kind of now more makeup is being worn. So there has been a bit of an influence from immigration there. Um, but yeah, when I first went in 2018, like the fact I faked tan blew people's minds really. They were like one person s ed me was like, but you look terrible. And I was like, thanks and she was like, you look nicer. Uh, white, like a, uh, shining milk bottle or not. That's like an offense in my country. Butah, uh, like, I had to take it from the prospect.

>> Ellen:

Like, I mean, it's sweet that they were like, you look beautiful as your natural sel. Take it.

>> Tali:

It felt like a backhanded compliment. And knowing the person who said it to me, I think it was. But again, I was like, just put it in the perspective of like, you know, that sounds really rude in English. Um, this is someone's second language. They have a different background. They're trying to say that I look nice naturally. Like, we'll just take the positive sign yet.

>> Ellen:

Just pretend you didn't hear the backhanded part.

>> Tali:

Like the, you look terrible.

>> Ellen:

But yeah. And I think I actually aligned more with the UK style of like, makeup.

>> Tali:

In everything to America.

>> Ellen:

Yeah. Like, um, I still fake tan. I guys, I try to give it up because it's annoying, but, um, I can't because I just put it on on Thursday night and I wake up on Friday morning and I'm like, o, this is how it's meant to be.

>> Tali:

Yeah. Honestly now, I used to do it every single week in the uk, but now, I don't know, I think I've just embraced.

>> Ellen:

Yeah.

>> Tali:

My natural.

>> Ellen:

But you look like stunning, like with your skin color the way it is. I don't think. Like, I feel like I've told you this, like, you know, in our conversations, but I don't know why. I feel like I just look sick and gross with my fully pale self.

>> Tali:

We always see ourselves in a negative light. And I sort of very much went back on, you know, back to, uh, myself. You know, I was blonde for three, four years and I went back to my natural hair color and just kind of was like, right. Embrace what I have already naturally. And then if I want to kind of like, um, make that, make little changes to kind of make that shine to highlight that. Sure. But you know, huge changes. Like being like ice blonde. All I did was fry my hair off.

>> Ellen:

It's also just expensive and time consuming. Yeaheah. Yeah. Wow. I mean, I would say now I've taken bits of style and makeup from everywhere. So I love that because, like, the more you move around, the more your style and like, influences change you. And yeah, so like I would have normally in the US full, like full blown thick lashes, false lashes, strip lashes. Every time I go out now, they just sit in a drawer and I feel guilty, like, I'm gonna keep them, obviously because it's not like they expire. But I don't really wear them anymore. I never.

>> Tali:

I don't reach for tan, I don't reach for lashes, and I don't reach for highlighter anymore.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, yeah, I don't wear. I mean, I wear like glowy products, but it not highlighter in like the 2016 cent. You know what I mean?

>> Tali:

But, you know, I miss 2016 so muche. And I'm so frustrated that I was like, just a little bit too young. I was, I think was 17 in 2016.

>> Ellen:

O. Yeah.

>> Tali:

Uh, and then by the time I was going out age, you know, kind of the vibe had moved on and then it was Covid. And I just wish I'd kind of, you know, the Kylie buddy era. Yeah, I. I wish I'd been in the clubs at that time.

>> Ellen:

I was 21, so. Yeah.

>> Tali:

Yeah. Amaz.

>> Ellen:

And I had like all the lip liners, all the false lashes. And I was like in my college bedroom, just like, my friends, my roommates would always come in and be like, can you do this for me? Can you do this makeup on me? And I'd be like, okay, after I finish my makeup, we're gonna have like a line out the door. Just like do the touch ups. But I do miss that time though.

>> Tali:

Honestly.

>> Ellen:

It was fun.

>> Tali:

Summer 2016.

>> Ellen:

No, literally, there's something. Where's the astrology girls? Someone figured out why was it so special? I'm hoping this year can be like that. I feel like 2024 was really good though, for me.

>> Tali:

Yeah, it was quite good.

>> Ellen:

Yeah.

>> Tali:

But nothing compares. I watched a video on it and it was to do. Apparently it's to do with like, um, world macroeconomics. So it was just before. It was before Brexit, like, had its economic effect on the uk. Um, I can't remember what else. I think. Oh, it was pre Covid. Um, so I think it was to do. And also we'd finally recovered from the 2000 and a crash. So it was like that peak between. Apparently it's all to do with that.

>> Ellen:

I mean, that makes a lot of sense. And then, yeah, Covid hitiden we are now. We're kind of like everyone's like their hair is like falling out.

>> Tali:

Uh, summer. Every summer. Everyone was s. Like, yeah, right. This summer is 2016. This is my proof.

>> Ellen:

Everyone just wanted to happen so bad.

>> Tali:

And I'm like, when it finally happens, I bet I'm gonna be like, pregnant or something. I can't enjoy it then.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, I feel like macroeconomically we're definitely not there. We're not. We're not there. But, you know, we can. We can hope. Well, we're just coming to the end of the episode here, but thank you for joining. Where can everyone find you?

>> Tali:

Um, well, on TikTok, it's Tally Thompson. Um, Instagram as well. Um, T A, A L I T H M M, P S N on Instagram. And then, yeah, Talitha Thompson on LinkedIn podcast is called Starting Over. But honestly, find me on one platform. There's a linkt tree. You can find everything there.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, I'm sure I'll leave links.

>> Tali:

Leave links below. Yeah. Um, but we'd love to see you there and then hopefully we'll have some new content this year. Yes. Uh, for everyone to enjoy.

>> Ellen:

Yeah, yeah, I'm excited to see. Hopefully you have a podcast episode soon.

>> Tali:

Yeah.

>> Ellen:

New content to look out for, but yeah, this was a super fun conversation. I got to new or learn stuff about you that I didn't know before, so that was fun.

>> Tali:

I'm glad. Well, thank you very much for having.

>> Ellen:

Meah.

>> Tali:

I'm very excited to be on this podcast. I'm a big fan.

>> Ellen:

Thanks.

>> Tali:

Thank you.

>> Ellen:

Thank you. Um, yeah, well, I hope you guys enjoyed. Hope you guys have a great week and I will see you in the next episode.

>> Tali:

Bye.