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From Corporate to Creative: Marly’s Journey in Makeup Artistry
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Hey guys. Welcome back to Reasonably Certain. My name is Ellen. This is episode 40. I feel like this is a, I don't know, a big number. Exciting number 40. I never thought I would get here. and I have my friend Marley on the podcast today. So, yeah, we're just gonna get into it. But thanks, Mare, for joining.
>> Marley:You're welcome. Thank you for having me.
>> Ellen:Yeah, of course. I'm glad you could join. And yeah, let's just dive into who is Marley? what do you do? How long have you been living in Barcelona? You know, like all the typical questions that you ask when you meet someone.
>> Marley:Yeah, well, well, I'm MARLEY, obviously. I'm 26 years old, I'm from the Netherlands and I live in Barcelona now. Two and a half years. This July will be three years already. And I moved to Barcelona because obviously in the Netherlands we know like the weather is not that great. So I just really wanted to move to Spain and see how it is actually like living in another country where there's always sun and also. Yeah, how it is. Working in another country. I'm a full time makeup artist but when I came here I didn't like directly work as a makeup artist full time. I started working at a hotel and then in customer service. But then last year I left my corporate job, so that's really amazing. And now I'm full time doing makeup and ugc. So. Yeah, that's been really great.
>> Ellen:Yeah, I love that. Finally ditchhing the corporate job. Yeah.
>> Marley:Yeah, I really needed to leave the corporate world because I don't know, also just starting in a new job every single time, getting to know the people and like you would like to like work somewhere and just like know everything. But it's also getting boring if you're like working there longer than two years. So you wanna change but then also you have to start new like somewhere else. So working for yourself is just way better. I'd say like I'm doing it for me, not for anybody else.
>> Ellen:Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I love that. So yeah, I'm happy for you. Cause that's a big. It's a big step to finally switch. It's also stressful, but you know.
>> Marley:Yeah, it is stressful but like I would say it's worth ites like the stress is more.
>> Ellen:Because you're working for yourself.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah, it's more like. It's like I haven't had like any job this week, but then they could call on Tuesday for Wednesday morningly you just never knoweah. but I think more time I will live here, the more people I will know, the more jobs that will come my way. And there will be a moment in some people say five years. I believe it'snna be three or something, but that you're, like, gonna have to say no to jobs because you have so many. but, yeah, beginning is always a bit like, oh, yeah.
>> Ellen:And this is only, like, because six months now.
>> Marley:Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
>> Ellen:It's gone by so fast.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. But it's gone by so fast. But it's also, I expect sometimes so much of myself, and I'm like, it's just been six months. And I've been traveling one month of those six months, so it's actually five. And I'm like, okay, maybe I shouldn't be so hard.
>> Ellen:And you just went to Andorra this week.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:For a big brand.
>> Marley:For a big brand, which is very cool. Yeah. Cool.
>> Ellen:Yeah. So, I mean, I get the same way where I'm, like, thinking I should be doing more, but then you stop and look back, and it's like, you've done a lot.
>> Marley:Yeah. Like, if you also. When you look back on a year.
>> Ellen:You'Re like, oh, my God. Yeah.
>> Marley:And you make those, like, videos of, like, throwback videos, and you're like, whoa, I did this in January, February, and the rest of the month. And you're like, oh, I actually did a lot.
>> Ellen:Yeah. Yeah.
>> Marley:But when you're, like, here, you're like, oh, I didn't do anything. I'm not where I supposed to be. yeah.
>> Ellen:Or you have, like, one day of, like, being, like, resting and not doing anything, and you're like, no, I ruined myle. My whole career. Because I rested for one day.
>> Marley:I wasn't productive in.
>> Ellen:I really.
>> Marley:I have that all the time.
>> Ellen:Yeah. It's terrible. Yeah. Let's talk about how we know each other. So. Yeah. How did we meet?
>> Marley:Yeah. Like, on Instagram, I send you a message or you send me a message. I think I had, like, this, AI application. Yeah. So I think I sent you the message with. It was, like, automated, and that s said, like, ugc. And then I saw, like, your. Your bge and I was like, oh, also ugc. And like, then we were like. I think I said, let's go for coffee.
>> Ellen:And I know I was. Well, I was glad I saw your message because I was like, oh, my God. Another girl that likes makeup.
>> Marley:Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
>> Ellen:And social media.
>> Marley:Yeah, and social media.
>> Ellen:So I was just like, oh, my God. I think we should Be friendssh.
>> Marley:Yeaheeah. I thought same. And it's also nice because I don't know, like, obviously my partner is Spanish, so I'm speaking a lot in Spanish and I'm meeting people that I don't constantly have to speak Spanish with. Also from like, not the same culture. And then also doing makeup and videos. It is like, oh, refreshing.
>> Ellen:Meanwhile, I feel like I need to speak more Spanish.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:Because I never speak it well.
>> Marley:We can do like, no, not part well, but like, we should.
>> Ellen:I mean, we both speak it.
>> Marley:Yeah, we both speak, but yeah.
>> Ellen:So we met ye social media and I meet. I've met most of my friends through social mediaeah. Like I've met Yolli Tali all through social media, so.
>> Marley:Oh.
>> Ellen:Just kind of like chance meetings almost.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:So yeah.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:I don't know, it just works out that way.
>> Marley:But it's nice. Yeah. And. And sometimes it doesn't move with us. Yeah, It n. Yeah.
>> Ellen:And now it's been.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:Like six months.
>> Marley:Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God, that FL'BEEN six months.
>> Ellen:that time flew by.
>> Marley:But yeah.
>> Ellen:So what do you like most about being a makeup artist?
>> Marley:I like most about being a makeup artist that when I do the makeup for people, I can really, like, enhance their beauty and I want to make them feel like, more confident than they already are. And then they're like, look at them mirror. And they're like, wow, like, now my day is gonna be even better because I look this good with this look. And obviously when they are very happy and I did it, I'm just like, yay. Like, that's just the best, like, compliment ever. and I really like meeting new people and not. Yeah, like, having different jobs all the time. Like, I can do beauty, I can do a production, I can do editorial. And it's just all the time, it's like something different, which is really nice. And also people coming back, so you don't see them for like a few months and then they have another job and then you see them again. So. Yeah, it is s the combination of doing the makeup and also the way the work is, like, in general.
>> Ellen:Yeah. I mean, I love like the reaction from someone when you finish their makeup that they especially.
>> Marley:It's like they terrifying.
>> Ellen:Also terrifying. But I mean, are most of the clients that you do, are they use to wearing makeup or.
>> Marley:I'd say some of them, yes. Some of them don't. But, I worked for Laura Mercier, for two years and that brand is very like natural makeup and Everything. So the clients that would come in the counter, because I used to work like in a warehouse, they would really like natural makeup. So I really kind of got to know the person that doesn't really like to wear makeup on, how to like. So I here, for example, for more like the Catalan brides, they're very natural, but if they come from, for example, the US or sometimes from the Netherlands or any other country, there might be some women that are like. No, I like some extra. Extra, I don't know, layer, foundation, extra glam. Yeah, yeah. So it's a bit. Yeah, a bit of both. Yeahah. Yeah.
>> Ellen:But then also you get to do photo shoots too, so it's not necessarily up to you or the model. No, it's just on the brief or whatever.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:So have you found in your photo shoots, like, is there a theme of the type of makeup you're doing? Or, like, is there any, like, patterns or similarities?
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah. you mean like in all the jobs or like.
>> Ellen:Yeah, and specifically in like, a photo shoot setting?
>> Marley:Yeah. No, like, they make a call sheet, and in the call sheet is like, the mood for the makeup, and that can be like, super different. Sometimes the theme is red and they just want, like, something super crazy. But for example, for the job that I had this week, it was in the cold, so it had to look like they were a bit blushy and like natural. And so, yeah, it'every time bit, it's a bit different, but the mood boards that they make are quite clear, and I just have to, like, kind of feel the vibe and work with that.
>> Ellen:So they're not giving you like. Like for Fashion Week, for example, when they give you like, the face sketch? No, they're not doing that.
>> Marley:Well now in like, the productions, they don't. But like, yeah, on Fashion Week, it's just like, is this.
>> Ellen:Do it, do it?
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:I always wonder, say, for, like, photo shoots, I guess it's also very dependent on the brand and how maybe how familiar they are with the makeup process. Like, ye. I don't know. Do you find that some of them are better at giving you a brief than others?
>> Marley:Yeah, I feel like, some people have, like, more experience with how to makeup artists think and how they work than others. Because I feel like if they, for example, by themselves know a little bit how makeup works, it's also easier to bring it over to the makeup artist. But if they have never, I don't know, touched a bronzer, for example, in their life and they're like, telling me what to do then it's like you feel that there's like, a gap. But yeah, that really depends on the person. But it also, when someone doesn't know so much about makeup, it's just like, so the art direction made like this mood board. Just do it like, so they leave it up to you. Yeah. Because they then say like, oh, you're the expert. Like, we trust you.
>> Ellen:So maybe that's kind of nice then.
>> Marley:Yeah're.
>> Ellen:Not trying to match exactly to like.
>> Marley:No.
>> Ellen:If you don't get it exactly, they're like, do it again.
>> Marley:Yeah, of course. Because every face is different.
>> Ellen:Every.
>> Marley:Like you. You cannot do exactly the same as a Pinterest.
>> Ellen:No.
>> Marley:Board. No. On five different people.
>> Ellen:I mean, and that's. But that's like also your talent is like, if they give you a brief, you have to make it work for each model.
>> Marley:Yeah. Yeah. It has to look like this is the vibe and. Or this is the look and like executed. Yeah. We say like, on this face.
>> Ellen:Yeah.
>> Marley:And everybody else. Ye.
>> Ellen:I mean, that's what you're talented at. But that is like. I mean, that is kind of scary.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:If you, if you'given like something that you're maybe unfamiliar with or like, maybe it's your first time doing a certain look.
>> Marley:Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Ah, yeah.
>> Ellen:Pressure is on.
>> Marley:Yeah. I had a shoot in the Netherlands like I think five years ago. Like, I started seven years ago. So I was like, kind of like just starting to do like free dance jobs and. And these looks were very creative and I knew I could do it, but I had to do them also at 5am in the morning. And I had to make like crazy eyeliners. And also I also had to do the hair with, I don't know, crazy, crazy things. And I was pretty nervous for that one. But it turned out so well and they were so happy. But that was kind of like nerve wracking because I saw that mood board and I was like, yeah, of course I can't do that. But in my head I was like.
>> Ellen:But that's the best way to learn. And like, usually it turns out just fine.
>> Marley:Yeah. Like you just have to do it. And then the next you get a mood board like that, you're like, I eat that already. I already. But the first time is always a bit like, okay, I need to do this.
>> Ellen:And you've probably done it on yourself. But I think it's like when you're doing it on someone else.
>> Marley:Ye.
>> Ellen:It'like a bit scary.
>> Marley:Yeah. It's Like, a bit scary. And they give you the example, but because when it's not so natural, it's very specific. And then it's like, okay, I'm gonna do this now, but it has to be good, because if I remove it, like, it's all work to do it over, and there's no time.
>> Ellen:There's also very tight timelines. It's very high, stress.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah.
>> Ellen:Just, like, making sure that everything goes as planned.
>> Marley:Yeah. Ye. Yeah. Ah, for sure.
>> Ellen:but do you have, like, a favorite makeup look that you do on models? Or, like, is there something that you always are, like, wishing they ask for because it's, like, your favorite thing to do?
>> Marley:I always hope it's not, like, super natural, that they're like, just concealer. And then it's obviously, like, if you get paid for the job and it is just considered that you're like, okay, well, I'm here, But I like to be a little bit more, like, creative or do something that I'm like, yeah, this is why I'm a makeup artist. Instead of just, like, using something very, very natural. But also doing a very good natural look is also very difficult. So I also like the challenge of that. That when they want it very glowy and it's in a studio, so it also needs powder, and it still looks like she's just woken up. That's also a challenge. So that's.
>> Ellen:I would say that's maybe the hardest.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:I think it is'impressive when you can do it well.
>> Marley:Yeah. And also, milal makeup is also. It s. It's not so much work as, obviously, on doing the makeup on a woman, but it is difficult because you don't want them to look like they are wearing makeup. So I think in the end, that's why I like the different jobs that I can do. Like, sometimes an event, sometimes very natural that it switches. I really like.
>> Ellen:Yeah. It's not just the same thing every time.
>> Marley:Yeah. So I think because it's so, like, different every day, I like it all. Yeah.
>> Ellen:Yeah, that's true. I would say, like, it is a little bit sad if you can't put, like, a little bit of glam, you know, because then you're like, oh, like, maybe, like, I want them to look like they walked out of the chair and they're like, yes.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:But also, if it's for a shoot, I mean, yah. You have to do what the brief says. Yeah. So what do you like about UGC so far and what made you decide to, like, start Doing UGC in addition to makeup artists.
>> Marley:Yeah, so I really liked making videos already, like from a very long time ago. I studied audioisual graphics for four years in the Netherlands. And so I have the skills on like Premiere Pro and the cameras. I've got the equipment. and on Instagram I sometimes work with brands, but more like in an influencer kind of way so that you have to post it. And being a makeup artist, I obviously like to work with products and I also love being in front of the camera, not only behind it. So I was like, oh, I really like to make more content of these kind of things. And then UGC came up and that meant like, oh, I could make videos for brands. I don't necessarily need to post them because if I had to post everything, I just look like an advertisement page. And as Instagram is also for my clients, that would be very confusing. so yeah, when I found out that that was a possibility to like make videos, I was like, oh, let's give it a go. And yeah, since then like more and more brands are coming towards me or I email them. And yeah, I really like the combination of it both because I think it matches very well making the videos for beauty brands and being a makeup artist.
>> Ellen:And it's nice that you've been able to make connections with specifically beauty brands. It's not like a random like food supplement company or something. You know what I mean? Like, it's very in the niche of what you already. Yeah, so it makes sense.
>> Marley:Exactly. Like, and bonding with them might also lead to a point where they might need a makeup artist for, for their next shooting. And then they know like, oh, Marley, like could do that.
>> Ellen:Yeah, yeah, I think it's very nice to offer as like a package even like you can do both for one brand.
>> Marley:Yeah, I could literally go to shoot, beat a model, do my own make, and then do it. Make it for the other models.
>> Ellen:Yeah, yeah, no, I think it's 's great to add like more services. Cause I feel like on social media so many people say you have to like niche down and only do like one thing. But I think we're, I hope, I guess. But I do think we're moving towards like a creator market where brands want to work with like they don't even have to be a huge creator, but like one creator that's maybe a bit smaller. You still have good influence, even if it's like a micro or a nano audience. But, but you still can provide like a lot of value to the Brandanch. So, like, maybe you are an influencer. Maybe you do ugc and maybe you do a few other things for them, whether it's like makeup artistry or whatever other services you provide. But then they can just use one person to do, like, multiple things instead of having to find a separate contact for, like, every. So I think it's actually nice to offer multiple services.
>> Marley:Yeah. Yeah. I feel like sometimes people are bit closed off on, like, oh, you have to choose one thing. And I's, like, sometimes a bit scary because you're like, oh, maybe they don't know who I. I, am, what I do. But I think on the other hand, like, why can you not, like, do more than one thing?
>> Ellen:Yeah, I think I've struggled with almost having too many interests. And then, I feel like I need to narrow it down a little bit just because at least for my Instagram, I think my personality works better on TikTok. But for me, on Instagram, I feel like it's just. People are like, okay, like, is this, like, some random diary page? Like, they don't know. So I'm trying to.
>> Marley:Your instag. ###agm.
>> Ellen:Thank you. I mean, I'm trying to whittle it down a little bit more to be a little bit more like, makeup pair fashion.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:So that people kind of understand what I'm about when they come to my page.
>> Marley:But, yeah, I mean, but I feel like it's very difficult because every person looks different at someone else's Instagram page. Because I had, like, a conversation in Paris that they said, oh, I don't see any editorial on your page. And then, like, another incident happened and I was too editorial, and I was just like, I can't win. I can't win. Like, I'm not doing it well for them. And I think it just, like, it's true.
>> Ellen:It's so. It's very diffic.
>> Marley:Yeah, it's very difficult. So I think that's why I tell myself, like, I just follow my own path. And there's no one really saying you're doing a great job, that you get it from the comments or your stories. But sometimes it's also not that much as you would, like, hope for. Obviously. That's why you're, like, trying to grow. But, yeah, I think you should just do what you like.
>> Ellen:Yeah, I mean, it's good advice for everyone, right?
>> Marley:Yeah, I think for everyone. And then at least you'be original. I'd say, like, that's what people want to see.
>> Ellen:Yeah, I Know, I think people do get worried about having to like cater to the algorithm. So then they kind of try to force themselves into these like. And then you get like the influencer accent and like the hey guys, welcome back to my video. We get that. And it gets very repetitive. So then I think people get fatigued watching video after video. It's like the same. So it's actually better to just do whatever you feel is maybe most authentic to you.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:And people will like you for it.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah. And if not, then'sad huh?
>> Ellen:But no, but I think, like, it takes consistency too.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:So there's a lot of factors. But anyway, so. And UGC will help you grow and, and you know, then you create the right connections.
>> Marley:Yeahah. For sure. And I think it's also easier to stay closer to yourself because otherwise you won't keep up doing it like for I don't know how many years. I know it's gonna be difficult if you're like trying to be something that you're not really, or that you don't really like to like, keep up. Posting, posting, posting.
>> Ellen:Yeah, you will get burnout eventually. So it's better to start just to.
>> Marley:Do whatever, whatever you like.
>> Ellen:And people, you will eventually find the right people or they will find you, whatever. In general, how are you feeling, like balancing UGC and makeup artistry? Like, have you felt because you quit your corporate job, so like, how have you felt with your new, I guess like being your own boss and managing your new schedule? Like, how is that transition?
>> Marley:Yeah, I really love it. Like, I feel like I'm a person that can plan very well, even though, like, I wouldn't say, it's a set routine because I don't know when I'm gonna have a job, for example, But I really like it. I just like make my planning kind of for the week, I think of what I want to do for the videos and when I need to finish them, deadlines, all that sort of things. And if I have a makeup job somewhere in between, I just plan the videos or before or after. And usually I had to do that with the 40 hour job and the videos and the makeup. And I had to say no to a lot of jobs. So just having the freedom to say basically yes to everything, is such a good feeling. And yeah, making the planning of it, I mean, it goes very well. But obviously sometimes because you're doing it for yourself, it's also okay. I'm in charge of everything, so I have to like, get up for myself, do it for myself.
>> Ellen:but it seems like you've had a really good routine, though. Like, you go to the gym way more than I do. And also, you still are, like, having a routine. Like, it's not like, you just wake up and you're like, oh, I wonder what I'm gonna do today. Like, you still know, like, the work that you're doing, you know, I mean.
>> Marley:Yeah, no, I can definitely say I do, like, create a very good routine for myself. And even though I'm still hard on myself, I'm like, this routine today was not good enough.
>> Ellen:But yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you definitely need that. Otherwise it would be very easy to just, like, forget to book jobs for weeks. And then all of a sudden you don't have money and like.
>> Marley:Yeah, like an email. Like, there's. I feel like there's always something to do. Like. Yeah. last week I was just like, obviously, I don't know so many people in Barceloona yet. So I was just emailing producers. Hey, I'm Marleley, makeup artist, Persona. Have you ever need, like, there's always something to think about.
>> Ellen:Just start knocking on doors.
>> Marley:Yeah. Like, I actually went, like, to hairdressers a year ago to, like, present myself, but I felt like that in person, I thought it would work, but it's a lot of work and they then eventually don't do it. So I think emailing is then better. And if they didn't respond and they want to have a call or something, then just do that. Yeah.
>> Ellen:That's brave, though, to go in personeah. Did they respond?
>> Marley:Well, some of them and some of them didn't. I was just like. I don't know. Like, sometimes it's a bit scary because you go in and they're like, who are you? hello. Trying to find makeup jobs. but yeah, actually, it'I feel like that's what I tell myself. It's their problem if they can be nice, because if they don't know how to be in my position, like, how it feels to be in my position, if someone would come to my, I don't know, hair salon, I would be like, oh, it's so good of you that you, like, take the initiative and just do it by yourself. And people that can't respect that, well.
>> Ellen:Then obviously it's not meant to be.
>> Marley:No. Then it's also better that I don't go there and, like, exchange services.
>> Ellen:Yeah. Now you have that experience under your belt. I think all, like, everything you do is, like, a very good, like, I'm not saying just you specifically, but like, anyone, like, when you're figuring out your new job or like what you want to do and like, really working for it.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:Like you learn so much through all these little steps. So just going to maybe a few salons and like having those conversations, you're like, okay, this is what I need to do. Moving forward, you learn a lot.
>> Marley:Yeah. I feel like if I come up with something and I haven't tried it yet, then I will not be able to tell myself, like, okay, you did everything like you could. Because sometimes things make you like, feel like, oh no, like it's out of my comfort zone, I'm afraid to do it. But when I get that, I'm like, if I don't do it, I'll be so mad at myself. So then I do it because otherwise I will literally like be mad at myself.
>> Ellen:Eat you inside.
>> Marley:Eat me inside. also, like on the long run, for example, over five years, if I did it, if I did that, then I could have. So I will never like, wanna have that feeling. So when I feel like I need to do it, I'll just do it.
>> Ellen:You should be very proud of yourself because it takes a lot of courage to just do that. Than like, you just say like, oh, I will regret this if I don't do it. I'm gonna do it. Because a lot of people, even myself, will drag it out for like months, years. Y so once you learn, I mean, it takes practice, obviouslye, but once you get good at like just saying like, oh, I will be mad if I don't do this. And then you're like, oh, I'm scared, but I'm justnna do it anyway.
>> Marley:Yeah, I need 10 seconds sometimes ye in front of the hair. Because then I would. For example, there are m m more things than just those hair salons. But for example, the hairs, I would just like the one before would not be nice. And then I would have to go to the other. And I was like, I actually want to go home.
>> Ellen:I'm gonna go cry.
>> Marley:But yeah, I'm gonna go cry. But well, they're like, they're not all the same. So I was like, okay, let's see if they're better. And then they would be. And then you would have like, better a nice col energy and like go in a different mood to the next one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Ellen:I mean, it's hard to take a bit of rejection, but yeah, it's also like, at the very least they could respect that you're putting yourself out there.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah. At least tr. Yeah, yeah. It's more than most people with everything, basically.
>> Ellen:Uh-huh.
>> Marley:Yeah. The world doesn't go. The world doesn't end. I want'say the world doesn't go down.
>> Ellen:Yeah, but the world doesn't end if you have one like.
>> Marley:No.
>> Ellen:No thanks.
>> Marley:No. Okay.
>> Ellen:Okay to the next. Yeah, it's fine. But it'I think it's good practice. Like I think of it from my lens or my point of view from like exposure therapy for like anxiety. It's an amazing exposure therapy just to go ask something or be like, hi, I'm Marley, I'm a makeup artist. One sentence and then depending how they respond. Yeah, I mean it's fine. Whatever. Whatever the outcome is is fine.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:The best part is that you did it.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah, exactly.
>> Ellen:I mean I think that's like I'm always so proud of people when they are putting themselves out there. Because it is very scary.
>> Marley:Yeah, it is, it is. Yeaheah.
>> Ellen:But ah, the more you do it obviously the easier it gets. But it is scary.
>> Marley:It is, it will, I think it will forever be. Be scary. But you just like also obviously with past experiences, but you just, you're just gonna care less if I sometimes think of like how, how less I care what they think. I don't know how I'll be when I'm 50. Like I was. I don't know.
>> Ellen:But that's the best. Because when you're 50 you'll just be like, doesn't matter. Like, yeah, yeah, you'll probably be retired so you can do whatever you want.
>> Marley:Yeah, I'll have loads of like penthouses everywhere. Yeah, just renting this them out.
>> Ellen:Exactly. No, I love that. Are there any misconceptions about being a makeup artist that you want to clear up?
>> Marley:Well, misconceptions, yeah. Well, I feel like sometimes makeup artist or like any, any type of job in the beauty industry can be looked down on. That it's like that it's less than, I don't know something else. Like working in a tech industry or I don't know, anything that would require more of a theoretical study. For example, I worked in a warehouse and I was at the counter and like not once but like multiple times. People would say like, oh, is this your weekend job? And I would just be like, no.
>> Ellen:This is my full time, this is.
>> Marley:My full time job and I like makeup. And so yeah, I feel like sometimes it's like. How do you say that? Like looked down on from different kind of people. And also when you would like speak to new people, get to know people, and it would ask like, oh, are you. What are you doing for a living? And you'd be like, makeup. There are very few people that will say like, cool or. And I feel like it's very refreshing when people say, oh, that's so cool. Because you're probably traveling a lot or you're meeting a lot of people. And it's not just the makeup. Like, yes, I am doing like, I'm enhancing the beauty or I am following the mood board for, for the, for the production, but it's also me coming on set and me being on time and me doing my invoices and building a community of people and trying to find new people to, to work with and creating more of a business outside of just the makeup rather than just like painting someone's face. I feel like it's way more than that. It's also your personality because sometimes you are on set for like 12 hours and like productions, they don't want to be on people on set that are just like in the corner and like, don't say anything. They just, they want people that can like be together, are social and. Yeah. I don't know. I think, yeah, there are definitely some misconceptions about.
>> Ellen:Yeah. I mean, I know in the US like people definitely, they don't like to say it, but they feel likes. Like that going to cosmetology school is like an easy way out or something. They don't consider it as like the same level of like going to a regular university.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:so even if they don't say it, there's definitely like the same vibe. Like, oh, you do makeup full time or like o, you do hair full time. Like how much make money do you make? Like it always feels like, oh, it's just like. I think it's also because it's a woman, like a, female lead industry.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:so of course people don't take it as seriously.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah.
>> Ellen:But where would the world be without makeup and hair?
>> Marley:I.
>> Ellen:Where would the be they really very. So I think primarily also because it's like a female.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:Ah. Primarily female industry that it's just like not taken as seriously. But it's still just as serious. And like.
>> Marley:No.
>> Ellen:And you're creating business connections, networking. You're owning your own business essentially.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah. And like imagine like opening for example, your own salon. Like that doesn't only require brushing someone's hair or like that Requires a lot more. It's the same as like opening a clothing store but that like opening a salon or opening a closothing store might be like looked at differently for some reason. but I feel like once you not like get more experience but once you have like more connections or you, you're a celebrity makeup, artist, hairstylist, niltech or anything in the beauty industry, it's also looked different and it's like oh well you do like now everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And everything that's like not. That is still a full time job, like still like doing weddings, doing everything else. but yeah, and obviously not every, not every mommb. But that's why I feel like I was meeting like, was like oh, she likes beauty because or and shows she understands that it's like cool and whatever else it is.
>> Ellen:Like I'm obsessed. I could talk about it for all day.
>> Marley:I love it. Yeah.
>> Ellen:And also like you work, you work with photographers all the time. Nobody would say the same like if you said oh, I'm a photographer and they like nobody would be like oh, is that just like your cute weekend job? Like, you know what I mean? But you do the same almost the, I mean of course the action different but your lifestyle and like the way you operate is very similar. You're working alongside photographers all the time. Yeah, soeah. You know, finding connections, making, making invoices, finding a studio, finding models, working with brands.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:All the steps are very similar.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:But because it's makeup, it's like oh.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Ellen:You know what I mean?
>> Marley:I know, yeah. Yeah. And the only difference is that the, the camera for example, needs like, how do you say that? Like a battery or like I have my brushes, I don't have to charge them, I just, I use my hands niterally. Ah. And I'm not depending on, I'm depending on myself basically and the talent and it's. Yeah, yeah. It's definitely misunderstood. And also in terms of like oh well you can do that quick. Yeah. It's because of like my years of experience and does the years of experience also have m a price tag and also the kit and the kids. Oh yes, the girls.
>> Ellen:You don't just get a full blown kit overnight.
>> Marley:Yeah, no, it's. Yeah, no, like I sometimes have to like give the kind of like amount of what I have in my kids and thinking of that like one lip pencil is €30, like in between 20, €30. And I open my pouch and I just have. I don't know, 70. And I'm like, whoa, that's a lot of like money.
>> Ellen:Yeah.
>> Marley:But'like a small product or like one foundation is like€50 and you need to have all the colors. I have like 20. And then you're like oh, 20 times 50. Wow. Okay.
>> Ellen:And that's just two items's a whole routine who thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean it's. Yeah. People just don't, they don't want to understand.
>> Marley:No, no. Yeah. But I think people like listen to this and working in industry are like.
>> Ellen:Yeah, I hope so. That would be, that would be the goal. Yeah. but yeah, I totally agree. I think, I think most people will agree like there's. It's not fair. But that's definitely the vibe is that people kind of like look down on it a little bit until you're a celebrity makeup artist and then they're like oh, that's so cool. How did you get thereeah? Years and years and years. I mean if you listen to a.
>> Marley:Lot of hair restesses, like if you.
>> Ellen:Listen to like makeup by Mario or even like Jen Atkin like the hairstylist for she was doing the Kardashians hair. Like they didn't just show up one day and start doing the Kardashians.
>> Marley:And like I know you from Instagram. No. Yeah.
>> Ellen:Like it took years of networking and just sometimes just being lucky and meeting the right person at the right time.
>> Marley:Of course.
>> Ellen:And you never know.
>> Marley:But yeah.
>> Ellen:It doesn't just happen overnight.
>> Marley:No. And then you also have to have the same vibe as that person and that person has to feel comfortable with you. And it's also the conversation that you have, it's very intimate going to the hairdresses. Sometimes people always say, oh, it always s like therapy but like that emotional like how do you said like our empathy. You really need to like have as a person to be able to work together with a, with a person that's.
>> Ellen:Like also for hours sometimes.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:You really get to know them. Yeah.
>> Marley:Know like on a wedding day for example, like a lot of responsibility. Yeah.
>> Ellen:I mean even like most like when I did makeup artistry obviously never like more official, but when I did like a lot of women were so nervous to even just be like bare faced sitting in a chair, like it's kind of really vulnerable.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:You're just like this random person is about to like have their hands on my face and I like, like this like
>> Marley:And you've never met me and I'm like this far from your face, and I'm, like, touching you and rubbing cream in your face's like, that's very, like, intense. Yeah, I don't ever. And, like, I. I just touched someone's face, and then people are like, what are you doing? but, yeah, I'm just used to, like, touching people's faces. Faces that't. That I don't think about it.
>> Ellen:But, yeah, no, I mean, it's a good point that you make, though. Like, you need to have the right, like, personality and, like, empathy for the client in the chair. And, yeah, it's very similar to when you go to the hair salon. Like, you're kind of being very vulnerable with the person that you're getting the service from. And y. Yeah, so that's maybe, like, a nice part of the. It's kind of sweet that you maybe get to share that moment.
>> Marley:Yeah, no, that's what I really like about it. I like. That's also how they are gonna love the makeup. Like, if they trust you, it's so much easier to be like, this blush is gonna look great on you, because then they're like, yeah, I trust you. Like, if they don't trust you, then'they'question everything that you do or grab. And. Yeah, y. Yeah. So, yeah, that's what I really like. I, like, like the process of, like, gaining someone's streust and, like, really making them feel comfortable in my chair. Also, with models, like, for example, on Paris Fashion Week, I feel like they're sometimes treated like dolls. Like, literally, like, okay, you're wearing this. And I just try to, like, treat them as, like, people, because they are, but, like, use a different brush for their lips, for example. and just not, like, okay, they all need the same color. Like, I'm gonna boom, bo boom. I understand that it has to be fast, but, yeah, it's's.
>> Ellen:You should still maintain some, like, structure, process.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:Yeah. I think. I mean, coming from me, because I haven't ever been behind the scenes of a fashion week. You. I think for the regular people that see it, you just see, like, the polished, like, supermodels on the run way, like, oh, my God. But you get to see, like, behind the scenes is very chaotic, and we don't. It's not always, like. It's not the glamour that you see that's on the Runway. Runway is just the beautiful, polished finished. But behind the scenes, like, up until the last second, it's, like, just touching and adjusting.
>> Marley:And now, well, the first time that I came there, I Knew it was gonna be chaos, but I didn't know that. Like in a tiny room. Like a tiny, tiny, tiny room where like 80 people. And I was just like, oh, oh, okay. And they were like, oh, there's no table for you. And for my makeup kit. And I was just like, okay, well there's a chair. I'll just put it on the chair.
>> Ellen:No way.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah. And I was like, I was like in the corner, but I just went behind people so they wouldn't like bump into me. So I kind of like covered myself. Yeah, I. No, it was like, yeah, chaos. Yeah. But the thing. That's why I liked it because I can just like shut off. I'm just like with my model, I'm with my kids, I kind of like forget all the chaos around it. So yeah, that's how you can bear it. But otherwise, if you're so focused on everything else that's happening, you don't get your work.
>> Ellen:No, no. And you have a tight timeline.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah. It's like now.
>> Ellen:Yeah. I mean, but such a cool experience too that you even know what that's like, you know? So cool. So cool.
>> Marley:Yeah, it's very cool. Yeah.
>> Ellen:Okay, so moving on from the like work questions a little bit more into like culture living from a. Or living in a different country. what are some big culture shocks that you notice between the Netherlands and Spain?
>> Marley:Yeah. So when I first came here, I feel like the routine is very different because people are eating out late and everything's like going on for so much longer. Also going out like normally in the Netherlands, I think we would start like, we would go out like around 8 to like go for drinks and then we would go into the club around like
11:30, 12. And here they go like into the club at like 2, 3. And I cannot wait until 12 to like actually go out of my house because I will be ko like on the couch or in my bed and.
>> Ellen:I would not wa.
>> Marley:Wantna put on any makeup anymore. So I need to like leave at least
8:30. To feel a little bit like, okay, now I'm out. I'm dress and I can have a night longer night.
>> Ellen:It's the same in the US like our bars close at 2.
>> Marley:Oh yeah.
>> Ellen:So we are done at yeahe. It's just. Yeah, I. I can't do it. I'm still done at 2 when I live here.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:Like since living here, I can't do it.
>> Marley:No, no, no, no, no. Me neither. And I probably will never will, but it's fine.
>> Ellen:No, it's also fine.
>> Marley:Yeah. I don't need. No, no. Because I like my morning. So I like to wake up early and enjoy the sun. And just when there's not that many people on the streets that I'm already there. And. Yeah. So I really prefer that over, obviously, every now and then having a late night, it's fine. But yeah, every weekend. And also when it's raining here, everybody cancels their plans. Yes. And it's like, if that would happen in the Netherlands, no one would ever go out because it's like.
>> Ellen:It's like 300 days of rain or something.
>> Marley:Crazyeah. I do have to say that, like, living here now for almost three years, I've caught myself, especially last week, on something like that. But it's also because I don't have a car, so. Yeah, they were. They wanted to do, like, a wine in Graciana. I was at the beach and I was just like, oh, if I have to go all the way up now and it's like, raining, like, I'm probably not gonna do that. But maybe that's not the same. It's more like they're at home and they're like, I'm not gonna go out today because it's raining. So. Yeah. That's also a big difference. that the whole everything is like, shut down. No one's doing anything because it's raining, like. Yeah.
>> Ellen:And like, I was getting, like, really depressed because we've had, like. We were talking about it at brunch, like, 50 days.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:Grain in the last, like, two months.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:Crazy. So I was. I actually. My umbrella is broken because it's so cheap, but it's on the floor because I was actually using it. I never used it. I was like, oh, I have an umbrella somewhere. How do I open? I know, because I just. I have not used an umbrella in years. And I was like, maybe I should use it. And I was like, wait, this thing is kind of awesome. You can go outside still.
>> Marley:I know.
>> Ellen:Yeah. So I felt like we were living in the Netherlands for the past couple months.
>> Marley:Yeah. And. And then you really realized, like, I really live here for the weather. Yes. Because if I would have, like, why would I go so far away from my friends and family when the weather here is also not great? I mean, there are a lot of great things there, like going to the mountains, but it's all great when it's sunny. It's like, it's not very nice to go to the beach when it's raining. It's not very nice to do a hike when it's raining. No. Yeah. So, Barcea, you better be sunny. Otherwise I have to convince my boyfriend to move to the Netlands.
>> Ellen:I know. I mean, when I think about.
>> Marley:But no, then I will have to miss you.
>> Ellen:So, I mean, I know. At least it's close. Like, to me it doesn't feel so bad because in the US I'm used to flying two and a half or three hours to go to like, visit friends where they live. So I'm like, oh, it's not so bad. 2 hours. Yeah'sue by playing it is not so bad.
>> Marley:Yeah. In the Netherlands everything is like 20 minutes. Like, if it's longer than 30 minutes, rive it'like oh, that's such. Really? Yes. Because if you want to go from top to bottom, it's like two and a half, three hours by car.
>> Ellen:The whole country.
>> Marley:The whole country. Yeah. So driving longer than 30 minutes is like, oh, so long.
>> Ellen:Wow. Meanwhile, like in Minnesota, at least I could speak for Minnesota. Like, driving at least 30 minutes is like just going to the store. I mean, if you live in the city center, it probably won't be as long. But like where my parents live, like, we live 20, 25 minutes away from like Target.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:You know, so that's just to get to the city we live in. And then if I want to go to visit my friends in the city where, like Minneapolis, it's like 35 or 40 minutes. So ye. And we don't have public transportation, so you have to dress annoy. And that's just the same city area. Like, you know, so.
>> Marley:Yeah, you know, like, I got used to it like, ah. As Spain is such like, a much bigger country, than Netherlands. And like going to the Costa Braba is like an hour, an hour and a half. And now like saying it like o. An hour and hour and a half, I'm like, oh, okay, that's all right. So I'm like kind of. I'm used to iting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, going back to the Netherlands, like, for example, going to another part and it's like an hour and a half, like so long in the car. So I don't know, it just changed in every country that I am in.
>> Ellen:I mean, it's true.
>> Marley:Ca.
>> Ellen:Because even here, like, I've been very accustomed to the public transportation now. So now I'm so used to it that when I go home I'm like, there's no like, metro to take me into town. Like I have to drive like annoying because then you can't drink. And then like I don't know, I was like telling my mom, I'm like wouldn't it be so fun if we could come to town and just drink and have a good time and then we didn't even have to worry about parking. We could just get on a train and be like la la la and just go home. I was like this would be so nice but you can. So now I'm so used to it here that I'm like, oh, it's so nice to have it. Like ye just have the option.
>> Marley:Well yeah.
>> Ellen:And like biking. I still am scared to bike. But you bike all the time.
>> Marley:Yeah, I bike all the time. You bike as well.
>> Ellen:You will have to like be also. Yeah, I don't remember the I did. The last time I biked was like a spin class in 2017 so.
>> Marley:And the last time I went to Lapster Studios that I said at am. Yeah, that would have been opportunity.
>> Ellen:Yeah. But no, I need to follow you aroundeah. Maybe I'll be comfortable.
>> Marley:What we could do, like I could take the one of those you take out of the the like the Bing and then you go on my actual bike.
>> Ellen:I could get a being maybe like a membership for like a month maybe. Or is it only a year?
>> Marley:No, it's a year, but it's €50 for a year.
>> Ellen:Oh, maybe I should just do that one anyways. Anywayseah. But yeah. So like what about other culture shocks? Like food. Like I don't even know what do Dutch people eates with cheese? I love cawaa cheese.
>> Marley:It is different here like terms of, in terms of eating. Like we like the very, very, very original. Like times like for example my Grandma eats at 5m like dinner at 5pm so we have like breakfast around like 78 depending on what time you're gonna go to work. And then at 12 clock we have lunch and then it's 5 dinner. Now my parents, they, they have like lunch at one kind of and they eat dinner at like
6:30 which is still very early
here. if you go eat at 6:30. But yeah, the foods morning sandwich with well they call it haosl which is like chocolate sprinkles. Like butter and chocolate sprinkles. What?
>> Ellen:That's like fairy bread from Australia. It's very fairy bread. Like oh, white bread with like I think butter and like rainbow sprinkles.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah. Like it's. Yeah, it's o. Yeah, yeah. And I Used to like eat bread with like chicken slices. And then in the afternoon you eat the same.
>> Ellen:Okay.
>> Marley:Yeah. Ah, yeah. and obviously like I would sometimes make my sandwich a little bit more fun and I would make it like a club sandwich or. Yeah, something like that. but mostly like sandwich, sandwich. And then at night you eat the warm dish, which would be, they call it avee, which is potatoes, vegetables, meats. And then you would like mash the potatoes like with your fork and then mix it with the meat and vegetables. yeah, more like the vegetables. Like I wouldn't normally mix the meat, but there are people. My mom for example, she makes dem meat and everything. but yeah. Ah, and then that with a little bit of. How do you call it?
>> Ellen:Like gravy. Yeah, yeah, that sounds really good.
>> Marley:Yeah, it is.
>> Ellen:I love that. It sounds amazing.
>> Marley:Ever since I lived here, I've never made it for myself. I'm just eating like rice, chicken.
>> Ellen:Me too. But also, I don't know, is it easier? I don't know why I feel like rice and chicken is easier than just like steak, potatoes and vegetables.
>> Marley:Yeah, it is actually like also easy. I don't really like potatoes that much.
>> Ellen:Like in the land of patata bravas.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah. Well like I like bravas but not.
>> Ellen:Like roasted or steamed.
>> Marley:Yeah. Not just the steam. Like. Okay. Yah, yeah, no, or like a good mashed potato. I also like.
>> Ellen:Yeah.
>> Marley:When the potatoes get like a little bit more unhealthy, I like them. And when they're like on its most healthy, I don't.
>> Ellen:Okay, same. I love. Well, I love, I love patatas bravas, but not every restaurant does it. Well, if you weren't a makeup artist and a hairstylist, what else would you be doing?
>> Marley:Sometimes I would think about. Because I like the talking so much to people and like kind of making them feel comfortable. I would say like a therapist or something like that. Yeah, yeah. And like really get to know the like the studies behind it and like how to respond to people and. Yeah, yeah. I really like being people and like making them feel comfortable and listening to their stories. I feel like I have patience. So. Yeah, probably something like that. Yeah, yeah. Psychology I would study. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I don't really like reading so like four year study psychology. But I think as like if I would just look at me as a person, I think I would be.
>> Ellen:Yeah.
>> Marley:Suitable for.
>> Ellen:And even like, like we were saying, it works very well with being a makeup artist and a hairstylist. Like you Are kind of being a little bit of a therapist.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:You know.
>> Marley:Yeah. So I. Yeah. And I would. I think I would like that. But also thinking of like, the heavy conversations you might have that are like out of this world, that you're like, like really crazy stuff. I don't know if I would be able. Because I'm an emotional person. I don't know if I would be able to listen to that every day because also. Yeah. And like, be able to separate that. So. Yeah. But yeah, I think something like that or. Yeah. I always wanted to be a newsreader.
>> Ellen:Like on a television.
>> Marley:Yeah. On the news.
>> Ellen:Like, like you're giving the news for the day or.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:What do we call them in the. I don't know. But yeah, I know.
>> Marley:Ye reading like the out audio key. Yeah. And, I actually went to like a studio, that someone organized for me and I went to the studio of the Dutch news and I read the aut the queue and I was like. With the background, it was like on the newss every morning. Yeah. Yeah. And she was like, okay, well, if you studied like the I don't know how you call the study. I think journalism. Yeah. If you studied the journalism, give me a call and. But, I was like journalism study four years.
>> Ellen:Yeah. That also sounds.
>> Marley:Also reading a lot times was like, no, not for me.
>> Ellen:But also, like these are all very adjacent to being a makeup artist because they have to be their own makeup artist. Don't they, like wake up at like two.
>> Marley:No, no, no. They have makeup artists at the reallyeah.
>> Ellen:I see so many like tiktk get ready with me is of us like news anchors. News anchors. That's what I was thinking. They do like, get ready with me for my news anchor job and they get to the. To the TV set.
>> Marley:Yeahio studio. Yeah.
>> Ellen:They get there at like three in the morning and they start their makeup. They're like. They'll be like, oh, like 10 minutes to, live. And they'll be like, okay, this is my makeup routine for like.
>> Marley:Really? Yes. They do their own make.
>> Ellen:I know.
>> Marley:Net. And here they have makeup artists.
>> Ellen:But don't they get to the studio at like 2 or 3 in the morning?
>> Marley:Well, they do get very early in the studio. Ye. Yeah. Because I think the earliest news. Well, in the Netherlands, earliest news started at like 7. So they have to then be there. Yeah.
>> Ellen:I don't know why some of these people have to be there. Like, they have to be ready by like four or five.
>> Marley:Yeah. So early yeah, yeah. It's very early anyway.
>> Ellen:Anyway. But that would be a very cool job.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:I have no idea that you, are interested in thateah.
>> Marley:I like presenting. That's also why when I do the mast classes, I like explaining. So it's all kind of like related. So.
>> Ellen:O. Yeah, we didn't touch on that so much like the MASTERC classasses. Like how did you start getting into that? And like.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah, well, it's actually like I started doing it here in Barcelona. I already did it in the Netherlands, but I started doing it here in Barcelona because I really want to meet like more people and like get my name out there. And obviously if people are coming to my masterclasses, they, they get to know me a little bit. Maybe they have a friend that eat a makeup and they will tell another friend like, oh, you should go to her masterclass. So yeah, that's basically why I started. I really like teaching people how to do makeup and especially like, I don't know, in two or three hours in person. So yeah. Now every now and then, I organize a masterclass and sometimes it's in a salon. So I'm getting to know like more people to work together with, on the terms of that because I can do it at my house. Yes. Very small house. But yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's basically why I started it.
>> Ellen:I think it's genius because so many people, like, I think a lot of people feel a bit nervous because it's such a big learning curve to like get into makeup. Also it's expensive also, like. Yeah. You don't even know where to start. Like it feels a bit overwhelming. Like there's a contour, blush, concealer, liquids.
>> Marley:Creams, powders, use everything.
>> Ellen:Yeah.
>> Marley:And you want to look like that. Yes.
>> Ellen:I mean, so there's a lot of learning. I think, like when you're at a certain like knowledge level of makeup, you maybe forget how it feels. I'm not saying you, I'm just saying like in general, when you're in a certain expertise, you get to a certain knowledge level and you forget what it was like to be at the beginning.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:And so it's nice to like have that place where people can come and like learn hands on from you. It's not just a YouTube video. It's not just like a TikTok.
>> Marley:No.
>> Ellen:It's like they get to like literally sit there and step by step, like you will help them tweak.
>> Marley:Yeah, no, literally I get such like fun, interesting questions.
>> Ellen:Yeah.
>> Marley:But I in my head is like, oh, like, I forgot people don't know. I forgot people don't know this. Like, that's why I also sometimes put like, polls on my Instagram when I make new videos. Because it's sometimes difficult to make videos of something that you already like, know so well. Like, so like an extent. So then knowing m it from having questions from people that don't really know what to do is sometimes like, oh, like, yeah, of course, like, I can explain this very well, but I didn't know that some people didn't know that. So doing masterclasses also gives me like, insights on how people think and what they struggle with. And most of the struggles are quite the same really.
>> Ellen:Like, what are some common questions or struggles?
>> Marley:Yeah, like, how to even like, apply the foundation and make it last. Stuff like that. Like, I feel like I say all the time, like, use good skincare and then your makeup will last. Like, yeah, what you see on videos is that like, oh, this setting spray is gonna do everything. But like, the setting or fixing spray isnna work. Maybe if you have done the rest also in the right steps and, and the right skincare and all that stuff. So yeah, it's, it's fun how they like, get things from videos and yeah, just, yeah, the knowledge. Andah, I really like helping, helping them. And I always say, like, text me if you like, have any questions.
>> Ellen:I think that's so nice because yeah, we just see like, I don't know, you get very much in a bubble on social media with just like makeup gurus, makeup artists, like everybody who's like, makeup, makeup, makeup, and then you forget that. Like maybe, someone else who's not really sure, maybe they didn't grow up being interested in makeup, but maybe they're in their 20s and they're like, oh, maybe I should start wearing more makeup. Like, I'm getting older, I want to like, feel more sophisticated or, you know, like, there's certain, a million reasons why someone might be interested ye in like taking makeup a more seriously. But it's like a bit awkward if you're like 25 and you're like, oh, where do I start? Like, yeah, how do I learn? Like, you know, so it's, I think it's like genius. Like, it's the perfect place to learn to do more makeup, you knowah?
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they really have to like, keep up with the routine, basically. Yeaheah. Yeah.
>> Ellen:So I love that. And are you, do you have any masterc classasses coming up soon or any that you might announce.
>> Marley:I'm still like, in touch with, with the salon, but yeah, there will be like, ah, like a spring masterclass, soon.
>> Ellen:Yeah, well, I will of course, like, we will tag Marley's accounts in the description and you guys can check her out so you can watch out for the next masterclass. yeah. Now that you've been a makeup artist for what is it, five, seven.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:Seven years?
>> Marley:Yes.
>> Ellen:Yeah. When you look back, is there a moment where you think like, wow, I've made it as like a makeup artist.
>> Marley:Of a moment, like when I look back.
>> Ellen:Yeah, like when you think like, when did I really feel like, wow, like I am fully like a professional makeup artist now?
>> Marley:Well, like, not like, oh, wow, I'm like a professional makeup artist, but I was at a job last year on a cruise ship for an American actress that I didn't really know. But like, my parents, do like, know her probably. Your parents as well. She played on the love pos or.
>> Ellen:They like, they've seen her on show.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah, like on shows. And the show was actually like, on the cruise ship. So that's why she was on the cruise ship to like, open a new, cruise ship. And it was here in Harbor, Barcelona. And the moment I got on that cruise ship, I already did her hair and makeup, like in, in the hotel room. And she was so, so nice. And she was also with her friend. And I got on the cruise ship and it just felt like I was in another country because there were no Spanish people there. It was like it was Australia or us. And I just went with her. Wherever she went, I went. So she was gonna have lunch and dinner, she was gonna have a cocktail. She was. And I was just like in the middle of like, I don't know, I was just like her personal assistant, but also like her makeup artist. And I was like, wow, this is really cool. Like, giving her touch ups is in between. And I was like, wow, this is so much fun because I would like, want to do this every day, have such a cool job like this. Yeaheah.
>> Ellen:Yeah.
>> Marley:and then be also with someone. That's because she was like the age of like my parents or maybe a little bit older she had. How do you say that? Like, oh, she has already, like so much experience in, in so many things. And the fact that she was so nice and I was like, with her and I was just like, kind of like on the same level, like she felt, she made me feel like I was like, with Them. And, like, I wasn't, like, minority or, like, a makeup, artist or younger. Yeah, it was very, very cool.
>> Ellen:Yeah, well, more will happen like that. But it's such a cool experience.
>> Marley:Yeah. Yeah. So I have never, like, felt like, oh, right now, I'm a professional makeup artist. I don't know. Yeah. Like, I think I know what I'm doing, but having those jobs that are just very cool is just like, yeah, this is why I'm doing it. Like, it's taking me to very cool, cool places. Yeah. Like, you doing what I love. Like, yeah, yeah. Making her happy, making her feel great on that day and just enjoying it together with her. She's like, okay, nice. I'm having, like, a little holiday whilst I'm, working.
>> Ellen:Oh, I love that. I mean, yeah, you'll have more of those days, for sure, but I love when you have, like, a really special day like that where you're like, oh, I just, like, I'm so glad I have that experience.
>> Marley:Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
>> Ellen:Oh, I love that. Last few questions, but how do you get motivated when you feel stuck?
>> Marley:When I feel stuck, I sometimes, like, I look back on things that I already did. Like, for example, I just go over my Instagram, for example, with. With videos. Like, I get stuck on, like, what. What do I make? And, oh, it's not good enough. Like, the imposter syndrome. Like, it's not good enough. Why would people want to watch this? Why would anyone want to hire me as their UGC or, you know, whatever? And then I just, like, look back on videos and I'm like, oh, they're actually really good. Like, I really thought when I just posted this video, like, it was, like, not a good video. And now, I don't know, four weeks after, I'm just like, oh, it's actually really nice. And then I, like, kind of, like, try to remind myself that what I'm doing is, like, not, like, so bad as I have it in my head at the moment that I feel stuck. And then I just try to make new plans and think of things, what I could do to get out of that feeling. And if, yeah, like, if I start doing something that could, like, work me towards that point that I really want to go, then I'm like, okay, well, apparently, if we feel stuck right now, we just have to do more. Every now and then. You just have those moments. But working towards your goal, I think helps.
>> Ellen:Yeah.
>> Marley:And thinking of, like, where you want to go and, like, what you need to do for it. And I'm like, I don't know, maybe I'm sometimes a bit hard on myself. I'm like, if you really want this, you should do it. And then most of the time, something comes out of it, and that then makes you feel better.
>> Ellen:Yeah.
>> Marley:And then you're like, oh, I'm actually not stuck anymore. Like, I'm, on the right path.
>> Ellen:Yeah. I think, like, that initial, like, pushing yourself through the stuck feeling is the hardest.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:But then you see, like, you never regret pushing. Well, okay, maybe if you're, like, really pushing yourself, but if you're feeling stuck and, like, you're just. I think the hardest part is just, like, getting some motivation to take the first step.
>> Marley:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Ellen:Then you see some progress, and usually you're like, oh, yeah. It's like a pleasant surprise.
>> Marley:Yeah. Yeah. And it's not like, in a corporate job, for example, if you have a nice manager, you could, like, talk to your manager and ask, like, okay, what can I do to improve? But, like, I'm my own. So it's just. So it's just like, okay, well, I think it's gonna be this. Yeah. Or. Or, yeah. Or if I'm like, if I sometimes don't know, I just call my parents.
>> Ellen:Yeah.
>> Marley:And that I'm very lucky to, like, have them and, like, support me in everything. So, yeah. Just like, dad, help me, mom, what should I do?
>> Ellen:It's true. Even if you just need to vent.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:It's nice to just, like, talk it through. And then usually you answer your own question, I'm sure.
>> Marley:Yeah. but yeah, sometimes I kind of, like, know it already, but, like, I just need to, like, tell ite. Yeah. And it'sometimes it's so sensitive. Like, kind of, like information. Like, it's not super, like, sensitive, but obviously, like, it'it's like you're you re most vulnerable because you're stuck and you feel insecure. So you're obviously not gonna, like, tell. That's. Well, I honestly don't, like, I'm not gonna tell. It s Instagram and ask people for advice. I need someone in my close circle to share it that with. Yeah.
>> Ellen:Yeah. But it's nice to have those people to, like, bounce.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:Questions or frustrations.
>> Marley:Yeah. And then sometimes 24 hours later, I might be, like, a completely different head.
>> Ellen:Honestly. Yeah. even this week on Wednesday, I was just, like, on another planet. Like, I feel like I never came out of Dream World. I woke up and I was just, like, in la la land all day and Then Thursday morning, I woke up and I was like, hm. H. I feel fine.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:Sometimes just a night of sleep. We'fix it.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:I don't know, but yeah, that's good. It's good advice. Last question. What are three pieces of advice you would give to the audience that you've Learned in your 20s so far? Which, by the way, I don't think.
>> Marley:We said your age, but I'm 26. But I'll turn 27 and, like, next month.
>> Ellen:Yeah, it's in a month. Okay.
>> Marley:So, yeah, so I had seven years almost in my twentieseah. Advice. Yeah. Like, sometimes I feel like I obviously everyone, but, like, I still need, like, advice and the advice that I give to my friends, I sometimes also, like, need myself. But, yeah, looking back from it, I feel like every step that I've taken, I've lived in London, I've lived in Valencia. That was actually, like, before my 20s. Yeah. But also the step going to Barcelona, taking the leap of faith of, like, leaving my corporate job was all from, like, my feeling within. I don't know. Can't explain. But I feel like if you really listen to that, it will, like, fall at its right place, and it will lead you to where you, like, need to be. And I'm still like, telling that myself because I'm. Obviously, I haven't done Kim Kardashian's makeup yet, but, like, I do, like, really trust my gut and I listen to it. There is, like, no moment that I don't listen to it, because if I have, like, had, like, maybe two times where I didn't list to it and it didn't go to where I wanted to go, and I'm like, no, I'm just gonna say, no, I'm not gonna do it if I doesn't feel right. So that would be, like, at least one piece of advice. And I'd say if you really want to go for. For something like, don't listen to other people. Because the amount of people that had said to me, oh, do you really need to go to Spain to learn Spanish? You can do it in the school in the Netherlands. It's like, I. I cannot tell you how many people have said that to me.
>> Ellen:Really? Yes. You're, so close to Spain. It's like, why wouldn't you just go?
>> Marley:Yeah. And they're like, you're gonna, like, quit your job? And you're. There's such a big risk. And that didn't really scare. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, the job in a warehouse, like, it was a really nice job. But if I, like, I still know people there. Like, if I really would want to go back right now, I would call one person and they would have, like, at some counter for some brand, have a job for me.
>> Ellen:And that was for Laura Mercier.
>> Marley:Yeah, that was for Laura Mercier. Yeah. To be honest, the team of Laura Mercier was like, super nice. And they were like, yeah, you should go for it. But like, more like people, like, around it, like, oh, you're gonna quit your job. Like, what a risk. And I was like, but what's the risk? Like, I am. I was then 24. I am very lucky to have, like, parents that could, like, if I would really, like, need a place to live, I could go to them. I have a bed. Like, they could bring me. They could buy me bread. Like, yeah, I would have something to eat. So, yeah, like, I feel like a lot of people that try to scare you for some decisions that you make that have, like, a little bit of risk, don't listen to that.
>> Ellen:And also, it's a risk to not do it. There's also an equal risk to not do it because you're losing out on whatever you want to do.
>> Marley:Yeah. Y. Yeah. I can't remember the song right now, but there was song with like, like a sentence, like, looking back from, like, when you're in the future, like, looking back on the things that you didn't do. And that's literally it. Like, if you didn't do it, you will never know how it actually could be. So, yeah, I feel like a lot of people, like, try to. To take like, this the safe way round or like, which is also, like, fine because we also need people that, that just want toa, like, do one thing. If everybody was like me changing those things, there would be no structure in the world.
>> Ellen:But.
>> Marley:But yeah, I feel like just. Yeah, just that. And I don't know, like, do. To have a third. I don't know. I think I need to turn 29. Tell you. Do you have a piece of advice?
>> Ellen:well, I think a lot of it is, like, similar. Like, just don't be scared to do things.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:Like, have some confidence. I mean, I've. I've gone on a long journey of learning to have self confidence through, like, therapy. So, yeah, a lot of it is like, just have confidence and that. There's an, I've always felt like, because a lot of people in my life are the same, like, oh, it's so scary. You're moving into. Into another continent and I'm like, yeah, but also like, I can always move home like you. It's not the end of the world. I'm lucky that I'm in a situation where I can move back if I need.
>> Marley:No, that's. That's. That's what I. You know, it's.
>> Ellen:It's.
>> Marley:It's more difficult if it's more of a risk. If you literally have like nowhere. Nowhere. Yeah. But I just always try to think of what's the worst that could happen. And then if that happens, then what do I do? And if I have an answer to those questions and if the answers are like me not dying, then it's fine.
>> Ellen:I mean.
>> Marley:Yeah, they're like.
>> Ellen:Because also you have to we. That there's like a. I just have been. This has been on my mind a lot lately. But like the opportunity cost or like the risk of not doing something is also true. Like it's not always a risk just to do something because always, you will always learn something. At the very least, Y. You will always learn something. Maybe you meet some great people. Maybe you. I don't know, like, you just never know where life takes you. So I think to have this one life, like, you should at least try to take some like a bit scary, but like try some leaps of faith to do something that you've always really wanted to do. Obviously with the correct preparation and everything. Don't be too, you know, don't be too impulsive. Y. But you know, you should honor your like. Yeah. Whatever you're in. I don't know what is call, like intuition.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:Is telling you, like just, you should try it. Otherwise you might owe it. You might be 45.
>> Marley:I was like, oh, I could have gone to Spain. Right? Could have gone.
>> Ellen:Yeah.
>> Marley:But I never did because I was scared.
>> Ellen:Yeah. I don't want. I mean, maybe some people are okay with that.
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:But for me, I would be really disappointed if That like, if I had that feeling one day.
>> Marley:Yeah. And I. And I still like tell that to myself. Like if I want to do something and I feel scared and I'm just like, no, no. Like, I don't want to feel like that's in the future. So I'm justnna do it. M. Yeah.
>> Ellen:I think that's really like. You should be really proud of yourself because that takes. Some people are like 70 or 80 and they still never figured that out. You know what I mean?
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:So thank you. It's nice to like be like, no, you're only 26 and you already have like such good life skills to like just do something even though you feel scared. Yeah.
>> Marley:Yeah. And I feel like nowadays we have so many opportunities to also do so because like for example, my grandma's like, she didn't have a cell phone. She couldn't like go on on websites searching for jobs in another country, like that was very difficult. But now you have so many possibilities. You can work with your laptop front anywhere if like you don't even have to have a study. You could literally do like customer service or whatever from anywhere. So there are so many possibilities to make it as easy as possible.
>> Ellen:Yeah, I mean, if not now, when?
>> Marley:I don't know. Yeah. If not now, when?
>> Ellen:Yeah, I love that. but yeah. So do you have any plans? Like any, I don't know, like, are you doing any big photo shoots or like you'll schedule a masterclass? But anything else that has to do with like upcoming events or anything that you're doing?
>> Marley:There is an event upcoming in May from her salon that will be turning 100 years old. Whoa. Yeah, so there's probably like multiple things I will ll be doing there and the rest is really like weddings that are coming up. Really?
>> Ellen:Yeah, we're going into heavy wedding seasoneah.
>> Marley:We're going into heavy wedding season. And next week I have a shoot for a lifestyle brand with a well known person. So. So that's really exciting. and then in September I'll be going back to Paris for fashion Week, but that's after summer, so.
>> Ellen:Yeah, weddings in the meantime.
>> Marley:Yeah, let's le summer first.
>> Ellen:Yeah, I'm excited. It's finally getting, I mean we have sun today, guys. Yeah, this is exciting.
>> Marley:Yeaheah.
>> Ellen:So we're finally hopefully out of the rainy months for a little bit. Yeah, so we'll see. But yeah, anyways, where can people find you? Like what are your Instagram handle? TikTok handle.
>> Marley:Yeah. So my Instagram is my first and last name Marley Beerhous, which is very difficult to write if you don't. I will put it if you're not from the Netherlands. and yeah, my other Instagram, I have like two Instagrams, I have Marly Beerhause makeup, where I just put like all my portfolio work. And that's also the same name for my TikTok. So, I'm made 113 followers on Takeok. So I'm ris rising'rising because you just started. Yeah, I just started.
>> Ellen:Go follow Marley on Tik Took but I'll put the links below. You can check her out. if you know anyone who's working with UGC as well. Like you have a UGC account as well?
>> Marley:Yeah.
>> Ellen:yeah. So lots of opportunities, lots of places to stay in touch, and I think that's it. So thanks for joining me.
>> Marley:Yeah, thank you so much. It was a nice conversation.
>> Ellen:Yeah, I agree. Thank you.
>> Marley:Thank you.
>> Ellen:Have a great week, everyone.
>> Marley:Bye.