The White Lotus Season 3 FINALE!

EP #42: In this episode of Reasonably Certain, Ellen takes us through a detailed recap of the thrilling finale of The White Lotus. She shares her thoughts on the character arcs, surprising plot points, and the show's unique ability to blend humor with dark themes. With insights into the show's creation and the impact of the pandemic on its development, this episode is a must-listen for fans eager to dissect the finale's twists and turns.

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Hey, guys. Welcome back to Reasonably Certain. My name is Ellen. This is episode of 42, and I've got to talk about the White Lotus finale. I can't believe that it's the finale. Like, I already watched it twice this week. I feel like I need to watch it a third time. Yeah, I don't really have much else to discuss. I'm on a tight schedule because my parents are visiting. We're all taking a break this afternoon before we go to dinner, but we are going to dinner soon. So I've got to talk to you guys about the finale, and then I've gotta go. So we're skipping all the regular stuff and just jumping right in. Yeah, I'm not goingna say any impressions until we talk through what happened, and then I can kind of give my final thoughts towards the end. Oh, my God. Season three. I can't believe it's over. the past two months have been insane. So we start episode eight, we finally see some monkeys again. I thought they would maybe tie in more throughout the entire season, but Mike White, I did watch an interview that he did on, like, this Whoop podcast, because I guess Whoop is like a health app or like a health gadget or something. that he and the cast got really into while they were there. So he doesn't do podcasts a lot, but he did do a podcast interview with whoop, and he said in that interview that they just saw the monkeys around the villa a lot. And he was kind of thinking like, okay, well, we have to capture the monkeys. They have to be part of it. So I don't think it was as big of a plot device as we were expecting in the first episode, for example. But, yeah, so I was just like, oh, wow, we're finally seeing some monkeys again. Because I feel like we really saw them in the beginning and then we saw them in the end. And I just think they maybe didn't play as big of a plot device as they we thought. and that Mike White was saying that the White Lotus was born out of the need of HBO to create a filler show, basically because of the pandemic. So that's why he created the first season. It wasn't even really meant to be an ongoing series. It was supposed to just be a limited series to throw something out at the public during the pandemic that was easy to film one location and that they could all be quarantined together and that it would be interesting. So that was even how the White Lotus was born in the first place was because of the pandemic and that it was like an easy way to film a show in an isolated location. And so he never really expected it to turn into what it has turned into today. So I think that also plays into it. Is that like he was saying, like, originally the thought behind the White Lotus was to just like, create some tension and be a fly on the wall and look at the dynamics between the people that were at the resort. And he likes to sit on scenes and create kind of like an aesthetic and a vibe and a vision. So I think that's why the, the monkeys were maybe filmed a bit more is like you're trying to feel immersed in the vibe that, like, as if you were in Thailand with the cast and that you were kind of like literally there watching this happen. So I think it's more that reason rather than like some subliminal plot point that's like a secret that we have to figure out. It's just monkeys. So I think I was just like. But I did notice ITUs. I was like, oh, yeah. Kind of forgot that they were there because we didn't see them for a few episodes. But anyways, so Piper's finally waking up at the temple and Lang Portira has a speaking montage. He says, sometimes we wake up with anxiety and edgy energy. What will happen today? What is in store for me? So many questions. We want resolution. Solid earth under our feet. So we take life into our own hands. We take action. Our solutions are temporary. They are quick fix. They create more anxiety, more suffering. There is no resolution to life's questions. It is easier to be patient once we finally accept there is no resolution. So basically kind of like radical acceptance. And I think that is the theme partially of this season of like, radical acceptance and seeing your life for what it really is and that maybe you don't have as much control over your situations as you think you do. Then we see Rick wake up from his bender with Frank, and Frank is like, fully off the rails. I'm not surprised at all. But also I'm so curious. Like, I wish we could hear from him. Like, does he normally break his sobriety or was this like, kind of a big deal for him? Like, maybe he's sober and what he considers his mind sober. Like, he still partakes once in a while, but it's not like a full blown bender for like 10 days at a time. Like, I'm just curious. But anyways, he's got women in the room 's being kind of crazym. Rick has to go. And then. I love the scene. I'm just gonna play it for you. Frank running after Rick in the hallway doing a someersault with his freaking banana hammock on. And. Oh, that was so good. But anyways, so we see Rick. We see Frank trying to get Rick to stay. Rick's gotta go. Go, Guy. I just thought that was so funny that he, like, somersaulted in the hallway, and he was like, yeah. and then we see Mooc and Guy talk. And at this point, I'm still thinking, like, what is Mooc's role in all of this? I know at the end of last episode, I was like, wait, Mooc is Jim and Sritala's daughter? No, she's not. No, she's not. And you know what? The more I thought about it, I was like, why would that really make sense? Because they've never acknowledged each other at the resort. And I thought maybe it was like. Like, maybe she doesn't have a great relationship with them. I don't know. Like, if that could be a thing, I guess it's not totally out of the realm of possibility, but it wouldn't really make sense, actually, would it? Now I'm walking it back. But, no, I don't think she is. but it's funny that she is literally only interested in Gaitak when he is doing well in his career and feeling confident as. As he's excelling in his career as a security guard. And as soon as he has doubts about it, she's like, mmm, m. Never mind. I'm busy. Like, it couldn't be clearer. She literally only pays attention to him when he thinks that he's gonna be, like, going somewhere in his career. And as soon as he's not, she's like, aw, that sucks for you. I'm not gonna talk to you anymore. but, yeah. So Gutak tells Mooc, I'm gonna talk to Pak about the robbery. I know who did it. And then, of course, Mook's like, you know who did it? Like, you're gonna figure out and solve the crime. Oh, my God. And she's like, oh, my God. I think they'll be really impressed. And so obviously she's into him because he's feeling confident about his job right now. And then the girlfriends wake up. Lari obviously got pissed at them. Last episode went off, hooked up with Alexi. he tried to con her out of, like, 10 grand. She ran away, got back home. She was pissed at the other girls. They all Wake up. Obviously, if you've been there with a night with your girlfriends and you've been pissed at them for one reason or another, and you wake up together, a little awkward. So, interestingly, I thought it was interesting that Jacqueline was like, hey, have you seen Lori? Don't worry, I'll go get her up and see if she wants breakfast. So she goes up to Laie's room and she's like, hey, you want to come? Obviously, we're thinking like, oh, Laurie's probably like, fuck you. Get out of here. I don't want to talk to you. and I was shocked that Jacqueline went up because, I don't know, I was assuming that she was gonna hold a grudge and be like, no, I'm not speaking to her again. So I was actually surprised that she was seemingly quite apologetic. It could still be from a very selfish place, but I thought it was nice that she said, I'm sorry, and she wants to be Laurri's friend. U. I think it still takes maturity. Even if they're, you know, not the greatest examples of friends, I still do think that that is positive because they could have easily, like, let it fester and become, like, a huge issue. But obviously they never talked about it enough to get down to the deepest part of that issue. Right? Like, it could easily happen again because they never talked about actually why it was upsetting that Jacqueline did what she did. But I think, like, the first step is for her to say sorry and for her to say, like, I still want us to have a friendship, so I'll give it to her. I think that was big of her to go see if Laurie wanted to join them and say, I'm sorry. of course Laurier was like, I want to sleep. Bye. So don't really blame her. so I guess. And I saw, Sarah, she was saying that there is a much longer scene here with Lochl and Piper on the beach about how, like, the Ratliff family is actually a cult and the temple is not a cult, and they actually have to fix their family because their family is a cult. But, like, that whole dialogue got cut out, and we just see that Piper's like, laugchhan, I don't want to be responsible for fucking up your life. Just let me fuck up my own life. And Laughan's like, but I guess we missed a lot of context there. But it wasn't necessary to push the story forward. Or, like, you could kind of already assumed that she probably thinks that about her family, hence why she Decided to be so different from her family in the first place. And then we see Saxon reading. He is actually reading a book. He has changed since episode one. I'm loving this. Of course, Victoria is like, needs the juicy details. Needs to know if her plan worked to get Piper to stay. Understandably, Piper is probably not willing to admit defeat yet. So she's like, I don't want to talk. Let me clean up. She leaves. And then Laughlin'standing there, and Victoria's like, come on, tell us how it was. Like, give us the tea. And Laughlin's like, I don't fucking know anything. Okay. Porn Shy comes over to say hi to Belinda. Zion's like, oh, you guys like each other. And she's like, oh, yeah. I mean, I would love to start a spot with him, but, like, he doesn't have any money. Neither do I. Where are we gonna get this money? And Zion's like, do I have to really say it? And she's like, I am not taking that, blood money. He's like, well, you should at least see how much he'll give you. And you don't need to worry about negotiating because I'll be there, of course, like, MBA major, whatever. So he's like, you'll need a professional to help you negotiate this deal. Anyway, with the sunglasses. Hey, Okay, so let me see. Tim, Victoria, and Piper at breakfast, and she's finally admitting defeats, that she is indeed just like her mother and she does need the finer things in life. Which I will say there's a big difference between just wanting, like, a clean bed and a clean bedroom and, like, I don't know, a more variety of food. There's a big difference between that and then, like, the way that the Rat Liffs live. So I will say, like, I'm like, okay, I, fair enough. Like, living a year in a temple with, like, a stained mattress with, like, cobwebs and leaks in your room and, like, bland food. Yeah, I think most of us could agree that sounds pretty fucking terrible. But the point is that the way that she says it is, she's so privileged, and she's like, the only person in my family that's really gonna understand me right now is my mom. Even though they've been kind of low key clashing this whole trip, they bond so deeply over the fact that they are rich and they wa. Want to enjoy it. And so anyways, Piper's like, yeah, it's a really cool place. And of course, Tim is like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Living with just Nothing and bland food. We can do that, right, guys? And he's like, that's great. You can live a simple life like that. We'd be fine. A lot less, right? But then Piper looks to her mom and she's like. But Tim's like, oh, shit. He thought he had Piper on his side. He goes. Or she goes, well, you could tell it, like, wasn't organic. And she's like, I don't know. I was kind of like, could I, like, really eat this for a whole year? And then Victoria's face, every time they cut to her, she's like, oh, so it's terrible. I was in this tiny little box with, like, a mattress with stains on it and no, okay, no air conditioning. So valid, all of this. Honestly, like, so valid, though, Victor, I can't. And she's like, I know I'm not supposed to be attached to this kind of stuff, and I don't want to think that I am, but I don't know. I think that I am. And Victoria is just, like, eating it up. And Tim's like, oh, fuck, he lost his kid that he thought was on his side. Victoria is eating it up, reveling in her win, in her ultimatum, and Piper is fully crashing out. Like, I can't live like that. I can't live like that. Tim is sweating his balls off. And then Victoria has her, you know, little speech like, we're lucky. It's true. No one in the history of the world has lived better than we have. Even the old kings and queens. The least we can do is enjoy it. And then she says, if we don't, it's offensive. Piper's like, we are rich. I just want to be rich. So Piper wasn't even mad about the fact they were rich. She just had so much guilt for being born rich. Which, like, also fair. You have to work through that whatever way you work through that. Clearly her way was, like, trying to go the Buddhist route. but even Sarah, the actress that plays, Piper was saying, like, even I didn't even notice this. Like, even when Piper is praying in her room at the villa, she has, like, a dipiak candle. Like, it's all very, very high end. So when she goes to the temple and it's like a crappy, gross mattress with, like, bland food, she's like, oh, my God, I can't do this for a year. And same. So Tim's crashing out, and then we get the freaking thumbs up from Victoria. Like, this is iconic. The memes that have come out of this, my favorite one was like, when your friend breaks up with her loser boyfriend. So, so good. So Laughlin and Saxon are alone in the villa. Oh, awkward. Laughlin says hi. Saxon is, like, obviously, understandably trying to avoid any sort of eye contact or conversation with Lochlin. And Lohlin's like, hey, if you make one of those, like, protein drink things again, like, I'll drink one. And Saxon's like, stuff's on the counter if you want to make one. And he said, no one's gonna make you a man. Okay? You gotta do it yourself. And then Loughlin's like, are you mad or something? Oh, gee, I wonder. Ge. I wonder ge. I fucking wonder, bitch. Are you kidding me? And Saxon, like, I feel so bad for him. Like, he's clearly traumatized. He's clearly trying to just, like, not, like, be a victim. Not, like, sit in this super shitty situation that he has found himself in this week and, like, trying to move past it. And Laughlin bringing it up again is just, like, so weird. But he's like, it's okay for you to, like, worship me, but you can't worship me. And, yeah, I mean, people had varying theories and, like, perspectives on Laughlin, but at the end of the day, even if, like, I love that the White Lotus, like, it's never just one or the other. It's always multiple things are true at once. It's never this or that. It's always both. And yes. And so, yes, Laughan probably has been neglected by his family in, many ways, mostly emotionally. I'm guessing he has probably felt like the forgotten black sheep of the family in some ways. But he uses, like, therapy speak on Saxon. And when you really think about it, because, like, what he did is genuinely fuck up. Even if he was so messed up in his brain from his, like, whatever trauma he has from his family attachments and the way that he has his relationships with his family, like, even if he's that fucked up, he knows that that's wrong. So he's. The way that he says, this is, like, so messed up. He's like, look, all you care about is getting off. And I, like, thought you looked a little left out. And, you know, I'm a pleaser. I want to give everyone what they want. And I'm in a family full of narcissists. And then Saxon's like, let's just drop this, like, forever, please. I mean, duh, I would want to do the same. But I just think about. Or people were saying, like, if the rules were not Necessarily reversed. But if they were reversed, it would be equally traumatizing. But like, if it was Piper or like a different girl and it was a girl, that Lohlin did that too. I think there's like a double standard here. Like, people would be really freaking out. Like, it would be really disturbing. And it still is. But we're so used to the sexual violence being put on women that it's much easier for us to see that as like, extremely disturbing. But for it to be on a guy, I think people are like, they just overlook it more. But that is extremely traumatizing. Like, Saxon was assaulted. So yeah, no matter how you cut it, Laughlin's fucked up. That's so fucked up. anyways, we see Lari overlooking the pool. Kate and Jacqueline are taking photos. At this point, I was thinking it was the same as earlier in the season. In the first episode when she was like, those bitches. But I now know from this episode that she's, I think, more looking upon it with fondness and maybe having a bit of like, like, maybe the steam from her anger last night has been brought down a little bit. She's been able to blow off some steam and like, chill out a little bit and see their friendship in a different way. So I think that's what the scene was for her was like, hey, it's the last day of our trip. Like, we've been through so much, blah, blah, blah, like, whatever. So she's clearly kind of in her mind, I think, not upset anymore. After she kind of sits and just observes them in the pool. And then we have Valentine coming up to guytalk. And guyt talk is like, hey, you were busy with two men at the fight. Were they your friends? And Valentine's like, I don't know, maybe some guys I know from the gym. And Guy talks like, what are their names? And he just says, I think I've seen them before. And like, it's not that this sentence is inherently funny. It's just Guyt talk as a character is inherently funny as a security guard. Because this is exactly the same as like the confrontation with Tim in the bathroom when he's like, I think you have something. And it's like, dude, you are a security guard. Like, get it together. Are you going to do something or not? Like, he's very wishy washy. If you know something, do something about it. But I mean, I get it in this situation, you have to be a bit more strategic with the way you rat them out. but yeah, so he. I just think it's so funny that he's like, I think I've seen them before, but without saying, like, I know what you did. Obviously, Valentin knows that he's suspicious because he's acting very suspicious. But I just think it's so funny that the line that he says to let him know that, like, he knows that Valentine was part of the robbery was. I think I've seen them before. Oh, my God. Okay. I'm loving this scene so much. I can't decide if it's my favorite of the episode, but I think it might be. I think it might be Saxon joining Chloe and Chelsea on the beach. He brings the book or one of the books that Chelsea gave him, and he puts it down, and he's like. Or she's like, oh, w. You're reading one of the books I gave you? And he's like, yeah, I'm almost finished. And she's like, oh, you've read the whole thing already? And he's like, I went to Duke. Okay, chill out. Chill out. And she's like, okay, genius, what do you think? She tells him that he should read the other books she gave him as well. She's like, oh, the author's amazing. They're not all about sex, but they're about the laws of the universe and how we're all connected. She has this theory that there are different groups with people we know and people we don't know, and these groups are working together to fulfill this divine plan. And sometimes you don't even know you're in the same group as someone else. And then Rick shows up, and I know that they're in a toxic relationship. Okay, I know, but it's so sweet. But it's so sweet. This is. Guys, we've got to hold some nuance for the White Lotus. This. Like I said, this is not a show about yes or no. This is a show about both. Yes and both. Yes and both. Yes and. Because it doesn't take away from the fact that they are a sweet couple. They have the ability to be a sweet couple. They have sweet moments. We can't. I mean, come on. When they're. When they're running up on the beach and hugging each other. Come on. That's so freaking sweet. I cried. Even though. We know. Also. Also. And they are kind of super toxic for each other, but I can't help it. Come on. Come on. That's fucking sweet. And then, I think Patrick Schwarzenegger might be my favorite actor from this season, actually, because his, like, acting as Saxon is Phenomenal. And his character arc from thinking we like, thinking he's actually maybe even going to be a villain slash. Either way, at the very least, a straight, up douche from the first episode to actually being kind of, like, enlightened by Chelsea inadvertently, like, unintentionally by actually trying to hook up with her. Being enlightened by her in a way that Rick never could by just having a couple conversations with her. And then the looks that we get from him. Oh, I'm gonna cry looking at it. It's so like, he's not yearning for Chelsea and specifically, but, like, the connection that they have. U. Ugh. I think I want to frame this and put it on my wall. I saw some girl already printed it out on like, a giant TV size print and put it on her wall. But, like, doesn't this just convey a thousand words? Like, wow, art. She asks him, how did it go? And he's like, well, I didn't kill anyone. Aw. Aw. All right. Obviously, like, she makes excuses for him and she must know that he's done some shady shit in the past. And she obviously isn't bothered by it that much because we know from previous episodes that, like, she's always worried about him going off to do something really bad. And from his gun work in the later part of the episode, it's obvious that he's at least really good with a gun and at most has probably killed people before. So Chelsea's not a, saint either, because she's clearly okay with the fact that he's unhinged as fuck. But, you know, we can look past that a little bit and at least enjoy the good parts. But she's like, yeah, that's good. aw. And he says he got the monkey off his back, but he didn't. He thought he did, but he didn't. And Saxon still. So he turns over to Chloe and he says, sorry I couldn't help you out last night. And she's like, it's fine. I'll find someone else. It won't be hard. And he's like. But I'm not shocked because like I said in my last episode, it is not shocking that Chloe and Greg are, like, full blown running. okay. Like I said, at the most, running scams on people and maybe murdering a person or two here and there. M not sure if they're still, like, he's still on that train, or if they're just maybe scamming some tourists along the way, or just fulfilling his sexual fantasies. I don't know what the goal is there. I like to think that maybe it's both. Maybe they're trying to fulfill his sexual fantasies by luring in tourists from the White Lotus and also maybe scamming them out of some money. Maybe. Maybe, I think both could be true. And then of course, immediately after the Ratliffs go to breakfast and Piper starts crying, they go to the gift shop and Victoria's like, well, if it makes you happy, get it. Get em. Tim is like, oh, shit, I totally lost my daughter to finer things in life. And then Tim walks back to the villa, sees Lachhllin reading, and he's like, do you think you could live with no money? Like, no money, no house, nothing. And Lohan's like, yeah, I think I could. And Tim's like, my son, my son. And he's so proud of his son for saying that he thinks he could live with nothing. That he's like, get out of here. Go enjoy your last day, my son. And then he remembers the poison fruit tree outside. And we get back to that later. Valentine sneaks up on Guy Talk and he's like, I know. You know, Please don't say anything. If you do, I'm dead. They'll deport me. I go back to my country, I'm dead. My friends, all of us are dead. If you say something, you're killing me. Okay, Valentine, chill. I'm not shocked that it's working out this way though, because like, or that guy talkaw doesn't rat them out because in a way, they are kind of the same as in they are not the rich people that are visiting the resort. So there is kind of like a class, there is kind of like a class camaraderie between them, in a way. And Guy Talk says he doesn't want to kill, he doesn't want to hurt. And Valentin just reinforced that like three separate times within that, like, that conversation. And I don't think he wants to be responsible for them, like, literally getting their lives fucked up. Obviously, that's why he's not exactly the greatest security card. He doesn't exactly have that instinct in him, which is okay. It's just not the job for him. That's okay. But it's very similar to like the two Italian girls from season two. Like, they're doing what they gott do, girl. And as long as they're not out, like, physically hurting people, it's probably okay. It's not okay, but like, it's not evil, evil crime. So you know, they're Doing what they got to do to get their own, you know what I mean? So that's kind of what the Russians are doing. So Tim is holding the fruit and Pam comes by with their bag of electronics and she's like, you know what, if you don't want these yet, I can put these on the boat, the hotel boat that takes you to the airport tomorrow. Then Tim's like, oh, yeah, what did you say about this tree again? And she's like, oh, they actually call it the Suicide tree because people grind up the seeds and eat them when they want to kill themselves. So don't eat it. And she's like, have a wonderful last day. And at this point in the episode, I'm thinking, oh, fuck, Tim really is going to die. Oh, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Like, we can't have this happen. And so Tim crashes out. He's. He's losing it. He is grabbing those seeds, no questions asked. He's like, yep. Oh, you. I heard Suicide treat. Got it. All right, seeds, now I need them. Blinda and Zion show up to Greg's house. Everyone was saying, zion's giving Riverdale Disney kid. I don't, I guess I can see it. But I think it's super fitting for his character. Like, he's young, a bit cocky, confident, coming right out of his mba, like it makes total sense. So he goes business major. U. OFH. And all his lines are just like so funny and cringe, but they work for the situation. So he's like, all I care about is business and the bottom line. And he's talking to like a 60, 65 year old man and he's like, come on. And he's what, like 24, 25? Like, it's just, it's funny. Belinda is freaking out and she's letting Zion completely talk for her. I was actually kind of shocked that she didn't even barely say like, actually, I don't even think she said a word during this part. but Zion's like, she just doesn't think the guilt and the emotional stress would be worth it. And she wants to start focusing on her own business. And Greg's like, that's the point of the money, so why are we here? And Zion's like, well, you know, they say a dream oferred dries up like a raisin in the sun or something like that. And I was like, I've never heard that saying before. But like, okay, he's like, hers has been deferred a long time might explode. O. And then he finds out that Tanya was worth at least half a billion dollars. Greg's like, don't believe everything you read. And Sion's like, oh, I know. I found some very public records that pretty much check out. And he was saying, like, it's only 1% if you give us 5 million. I think 1% is worth peace of mind. And then Belinda gets up and walks out, and she's playing hardball, she's playing chess, and she says, like, take. Tell him your mother takes things very personally. And, like, he has to come through. We have to scare him. And they. They end up getting the money. So it works out. Even though it was, like, a little bit of a cringey business pitch, I thought he was just gonna kill them both. But I think he worked so hard with his elaborate plan in season two to get this money. I don't think that he's actually continuously murdering people because that would put a target on his back and potentially ruin the rest of his life living in peace with his big check. So I don't think he actually would do that. But, you know, he's, unpredictable. We don't know. Tim is grinding up all the seeds, okay? Terrifying. He hides the blender, so we know that he's not done using it. So mooc visits skytalk, and he says he thinks he has to quit. He's not built to be a guard. He's right. He is right. He has been thinking about what he aligns with, and he is right. He is not caugt out to be a guard, and that's okay. But mooc, I think it's a bit insidious, but she's getting what she wants. If she wants gut talk and she wants him to be a successful man, I mean, she's pushing for what she want for what she wants. And guyt talk is just not strong enough in his conscientiousness. Or, guy talk is just not strong enough in himself and what he knows about himself to stand on what he wants for his own life and morals. So he lets mooc just pull him around like it's actually crazy to watch by this point. And mooc is like, why do you say that? And he's like, I don't want to hurt anyone. And she's like, oh, my God, here we go again. And she's like, stop overthinking. I thought of you as confident. I thought you would be successful. And then he's like, oh, what about our date tonight? And she's like, maybe not tonight. Oh, so she's just Pulling him around. Like, whenever he says he doesn't think he's going toa be a guard, she's like, actually, I don't like you. Tim's pop in more lorazepam. They go off to dinner. And then he asks the waitress, like, I think it would be fun if we'd made cocktails in the room later. like, pina coladas, could you bring some rumn mixers to the room or to the villa? And Loughan's like, I've never had a pina colada. Are they good? And Tim's like, you're not gonna have one either. You're not 21. And then we skip to the girls. Valentine stops by. They're all basically ignoring him. And then Belinda is checking into her bank account because she's so nervous about, like, seeing if Greg is going to pay them the money or not. And then Chelsea and Rick are at dinner. And I know they're toxic. Like, I know, but it's also just. I don't know, it tugs at my heartstrings. I can't help it, guys. I can't help it. So she's like, of course I was worried. I love you. And, I will admit it's very annoying that this whole season, Chelsea has said I love you multiple times and Rick has not even said it once. But I think it's still possible to love someone and still be uncomfortable with, like, verbally saying it. Maybe you do it in other ways. You show it with your actions, whatever. That's also an emotional thing that someone has to get over. Like, he maybe just isn't in the place in his life where he's comfortable saying I love you out loud. But I don't think that that means that he doesn't love her. Maybe it's not in the same way she loves him, but I don't think it's untrue that he, like, I don't think he doesn't love her. but anyways, so she says, I'm m more fatty. Oh, we got the name of the episode. I'm more fatty. I'm more fatty. And it m means that you have to embrace your fate. Good or bad, whatever will be will be. So if a bad thing happens to you, it happens to me. I think we're going toa be together forever, don't you? I thought the foreshadow was, like, so intensely obvious that I was like, maybe she won't die. But, I mean, it seems really obvious, though. I mean, I said even in earlier episodes like, my hypothesis was that Chelsea wasnna die because, of Rick doing something, irrational and messed up in the final episode. And that's basically what happened. So because of his recklessness and his need for revenge and his need to like or. And his inability to, like, I don't know, control himself, that Chelsea gets caught in the crosshairs of that and that he pays the price for being irresponsible. And also losing Chelsea, who's probably the only girl who's ever really loved him through all his flaws that most other women probably would never put up with. So he's also losing someone who truly sees him and is, like, willing to love him despite all of his flaws. But anyway, so he says that's the plan. And she's like, o what do you mean? Like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. And then we cuts to the girlfriends, and Kate says, our pastor at church talks about how there's a time in life after years of, you know, watering and weeding and nurturing your soil, then one day you look around and your garden is in bloom. And that's how I feel right now. Everything is in bloom. All our flowers are in bloom. Which is a sweet saying, don't get me wrong. Very sweet saying. But in the context of the week they just had together, U. Okay. okay. And then Jacqueline, same thing. She's like, I've just been in the best mood all week. I really have. You know, being with friends, real friends, it's a lonely world. People judge you for your superficial defects, but you guys judge me for my profound defects. I've just been on cloud nine all week, and I'm like, what? Y'all are full of shit. Because y'all are not on cloud nine all week. This was actually, when you think about it, not actually that fun of a vacation. If you think about what they went through all week. Like, they were gossiping about each other, and then they went to a shitty hotel with a bunch of old people. That wasnt the vibe they were looking for. Then they did have some fun with the Russians on their night out, I will admit. But, you know, they were all kind of, like, a little bit bitchy towards each other. They had the heated political conversation. So, like, in my opinion, the only real fun they had was like, maybe when they let loose with the Russians, maybe. And that was kind of it. Like, you know, I mean, for that far of a trip, wouldn't really be considering it. Like, my Cloud 9. But, you know, hey, whatever it takes for them to feel good about themselves at the end of a week, whatever. So then Laie says, that's funny, because if I'm being honest, this week I've just been so sad. And I was like, get them. Get them. yeah. I mean, at first, yeah, I was thinking she was going toa rip into them like she did the night before, but then it turned very heartwarming. I'll say again, like, let's keep in mind, multiple things can be true at once. Lari's speech can be very heartwarming and sweet, and we can maybe relate in certain ways. But also, she is resigning herself and kind of like, pulling her claws back and being like, okay, let me shut up and go back in my place. Because she came out of her place a little bit and they were like, no, no, no, get back down to your place. Get back down to thettom. You know, bottom of the rung here. because it's obvious that Jacqueline is kind of the top of the friend group, so to say Kate is kind of in the middle and that Laie is kind of at the bottom. And that's just kind of how they subconsciously rake themselves. That's. It's quite obvious due to how they interact. But like I said, Laurri's speech was very sweet, despite their kind of fucked up friend dynamics. But I'll kind of explain to you more of my thoughts after we go through her speech. So she says, I just feel like my expectations were too high. Or I just feel like as you get older, you have to justify your life, you know, and your choices. And when I'm with you guys, it's just so, like, transparent what my choices were and my mistakes. I have no belief system, and I've had a lot of them, actually. But work was my religion forever. I definitely lost my belief there. And then I tried love, and that was just a painful religion. It just made everything worse. And then even for me, just like being a mother, that didn't save me either. But I had this epiphany today. I don't need a religion or God to give my life meaning, because time gives it meaning. And they're all like, aw. And she's like, we star. We started this life together. I mean, we're going through it apart, but we're still together. And I look at you guys and it feels meaningful. And I can't explain it, but even when we're just sitting around the pool talking about whatever inane shit, it still feels very fucking deep. And she says to Jacqueline, I'm glad you have a beautiful face. And then to Kate, she says, I'm glad you have a beautiful life and I'm just happy to be at the table. Lori. Okay. I think it was more so Carrie Coon's delivery of that speech that made me like cry watching it. But when you put it in the context of her literal friendship with the girls, it's like, oh, wait, what? Like you guys aren't even that good of friends. You kind of fucking hate each other. But she like, yeah, she resigns herself to just being like just the girl that's there to have just to fill a seat because like Jacqueline's the beautiful one who's an actress and so successful and Kate has a beautiful family and she's very successful in that way. And that Lari has like a broken marriage, a broken work life and that, you know, not much else has a lot of meaning to her except that she has long standing friendships. Question mark. Like, you know, when you really dig into it, it's kind of like u, I can kind of see what you mean. But I think in the literal context of their friendship in this show, it's like, okay, Lourri girls, stand up for yourself a little bit. But I think it's Carrie Kon's delivery of the speech that I was like, she's so right. It's so deep and emotional. But I do think that there is something beautiful about what she said about time is because like, even if they have their ups and downs, every front group has their ups and downs. Maybe not like exactly like this, but like you're not going to get along with people that you met when you were five all the time. Like you grow up, you learn different things, you part ways, you have different paths in life. So I think in a way if you do have the luxury or the, the if you are blessed enough to still have friends from your childhood. I do think that the aspect of time is extremely powerful because like she said, even if you're not together for every single moment, you still have the opportunity to like meet up at these points during your lifetime and reflect on how long you've known each other, how much you've grown, how things have changed. Maybe you have kids now, maybe you've moved far away. Like I think that is really deep. So I do love that. But I'more so just love the speech in Carrie Coonhn. Not necessarily love it in the context of the girl'friendship in the show. But yeah, loved that. Then Tim makes the pina colas. At this point I'm thinking Oh, fuck. The rat lips really are like, they're out. They're done. We're gonna see the whole family be assassinated by the dad. Crazy. Hey, guys. Sorry, had to take a break to go to dinner with my parents, but finishing the podcast now. anyways, Tim is haing out the pina coladas. Everyone's like, oh, those are, like, interesting tasting pina coladas. They've got the creepy music. And, yeah, like I said, at this point I'm really thinking, like, oh, shit, the whole family, except for Laughan, is, like, gonna go down. Like, this is what they meant by multiple deaths. In the last episode, he refuses for Lachlin to drink. We, you know, we know why. It's because, you know, Laughlin said he could live without any money. That was Tim's reasoning. he says, you know, cheers to Thailand. I want to make or I will, like, I want to say something. I love you. I love you so much. And of course, Victoria's like, and I just can't wait to get back home. So they're all, like, struggling. He's like, no, it's. It's good. Drink it, drink it. It's good. And I'm like, this man is fully offing his family right now. This is crazy. And he's watching them all, like, like, truly the first time watching this in the moment. You're like, oh, my God. Like, he is watching his family say goodbye to the world. Like, he's allowing this to happen. And, like, so obviously he starts, thinking his choice over. And he's like, oh, my God, what am I doing? Knocks the glass out of Saxon's hand. And then we get like, the meme line, like, the coconut milk is off. The coconut milk is off. The coconut milk is off. And then we see everyone ditch the drinks. He dumps them in the. The sink, but he does not clean out the blender. So the blender sits on the counter. We're like, oh, no, Saxon's gonna. Or Lahlin's going to die from making a smoothie in the blender. That's been a theory for a long time, since the beginning of the series. So they end up drinking wine, going to bed, whatever. The pina colada debacle is over. But we're thinking like, oh, my God, was there enough seeds in the pina colada that even if you just drink a little bit, like, would it maybe still be enough to kill you? Like, no, we don't know the potency, right? So we're thinking like, okay, maybe even if he did, like, take back his decision to kill his family, maybe it was still enough for them to like, not make it, you know, but we don't know that yet. So anyways, they stopped drinking the pina coladas and he leaves the blender on the counter. Belinda checks her bank account and, and she sees the money come through. And then the Hollingers arrive and we see Guy Talk watching and Valentine is greeting them. Guy Talk is speaking to Pilak. And PC was thinking like, oh, he must have information to tell me about the robbery. Guy Talk chickens out, doesn't rat out the Russians. And he just says, oh, maybe I'm not right for this job, PC and then he's like, you're a good worker. Gott Talk. And basically Guytalk has to sit there and think about his decisions. Again. Again, again, Zion is talking to Belinda. They're talking about how Greg did end up wiring the money. Greg called Belinda and he said he wanted to make sure Belinda lived up to her end of the bargain. And they're like, freaking out. She's nervous and she's like, no, we can't stay here. I can't build a business with porn. Chai. I don't want to be down the road for him in case he changes his mind. I want to be hard to find. And she's like, can't I just be rich for five fucking minutes? Because Zion's like, what about your man? Like, come on. But yeah, can't I just be rich for five fing minutes? And then Lachhan sniffs the blender that is dirty with stuff in it. He goes e and makes a protein shake. Of course we know that that's the leftover pina colada and suicide tree seeds from the night before. But he explained, Sam, the actor, he explained in an interview that it's not as disgusting as we all think. Like, he's assuming that Saxon just already made a protein shake because it kind of looks like a same, the same color and texture. So he's assuming that Saxon already made a protein shake that morning. And he's just like, oh, you know, if it's just a little leftover protein shake, like, whatever, maybe there's like a little more protein in there. Like it's not gonna hurt me to just make another shake on top of a shake that was just made. So I guess that was his, like, that was Laughan's, thought process. it was not that he thought he would get a taste of 12 hour old pina colada or Whatever. You know what I mean? So he thought that Saxon already made a protein shake and that it was just a bit of leftover protein shake. And he was like, oh, whatever. Like, I'll just make another protein shake on top of it. Which is objectively less disgusting than the other options. So at least we have that. But since it was the leftover pina colada with seeds, I'm like, oh, shit, now Wachhlin really is gonna die. I was like, for sure thought he was gonna die. I'm sure we all did, but. And then as we find out, he doesn't actually die. But part of me wishes he kind of did, just because, like, they really teased it out, like, as if he was gonna die. But also part of the point of the White Lotus is that, like, the rich white families, like, even though they might go through shit, they somehow always leave, like, with none of it really, truly affecting them. So I think that might have been the more important point rather than him, like, dying, I guess. So maybe that's why Mike White made the choice he did. anyways, we cut to breakfast. Rick and Chelsea are at, breakfast. Rick goes to get a few, you know, fill up a plate. And Chelsea asks for a donghut. So Rick goes and grabs her donghut. And then Jim is there with Sriala. And Jim comes over and he's like, you come into my house. Let to my wife. Get the fuck out of here. And Rick's like, I'm on the first boat out. I don't want anything to do with you. And then Jim says, I remember your mother. I knew she was a drunk in a slot and, didn't know she was a liar, too. Hey, what are we doing here in the middle of the freaking breakfast buffet? He says, wanted you to think your father was some kind of great man. She told you a fairy tale, kid. Your father was no saint. You didn't miss out on much. And that's the fucking truth. You gonna try and kill me now? I got a gun. Rick is fuming. And I heard Walton Goggins, like, I don't know if he's always a method actor or if he, like, really took on the method acting specifically for the White Lotus. But he's like, Like, I don't know. It truly seems like he, like, he's feeling it. Like, I don't know. He looks so insanely distressed that I'm like. I feel like you have to be Method acting for this level of, like, emotion, because it's very intense. but you can just see him, like, visibly about to crack. And then he sits down with Chelsea again, and he's like, he just insulted my fucking mother. Okay, but by the way, hey, Jim, wouldn't have hurt to thrown out, you're my son or I'm your dad. Wouldn't have hurt to thrown that out. But, you know, now I want to know what is Jim's story? I need more information about Jim. How did Jim meet Sweet La? Why, like, I'm sure he probably just hooked up with Rick's mom one time, and it probably was, like, nothing. Like, he probably didn't even barely remember or even knew he had a kid. That was Rick. Like, I'm guessing it was just, like, completely irrelevant to his life. Therefore, it was not important for him to find out that he had a kid. But I'm just curious why Gloria would have told Rick a different name for his dad. Or maybe she genuinely thought there was a different guy was his dad. I don't know. Why would she? Yeah, I need more backstory on this. I need more backstory on this. anyways, Chelsea's like, forget about him, okay? You're free. Remember? And he's like, how can I get over everything he's taken from me? Hey, chill. Hey, chill. He says, he took my whole fucking life. Hey, also, just because your dad is gone doesn't mean your whole life is, like, gone as well. I know lots of people that their dads left and their life got exponentially fucking better. And his life probably was better than if Jim was his dad, like an active father role in his life. So acte. Actually, he didn't really take away anything from him. It's all just Jim's pur. It's all just Rick's perception of this quote, unquote dad he should have had. When in reality. That was never a reality in the first place. That was either, like, first of all a lie his mom told him or something. We don't know exactly. And just a perception that Rick, like, thinks his life must have. Should have been so much better with his dad present. There's a lot of people I know, and their dads are pieces of shit. And their lives would be exponentially better if their dad's fucked off. So he's, like, stuck on this idea that his life was ruined because of Jim. That's so, like, That's so not true. Anyways, he's. He's cracking. He's crashing out. Chelsea says, stop worrying about the love you didn't get. Think about the love you have. I love you. Too bad he can't hear right now, because he's going crazy inside his brain. He can't think. He can't process. And she just freaks out and says, don't. Don't do something stupid. He says, I'm fine. I gotta go. And she said, you're really freaking me out. And he said, I'm just gonna go see my lady'mrita. and then we get. I just. I think everyone, like, really clung onto this scene with Chelsea, like, following Rick out of the breakfast restaurant and that she has the donut. And everyone's like, well, I'm glad that Chelsea at least got to have her donut before she died. Laugchan is suffering by the pool, about to barf up his poison smoothie. Rick finds Amta. She's about to start a session with Zion. but he's coming apart at the seams. Like, just looking at him, I would be like, yo, yo, yo, we need a session right now, because you are about to crash out and do something crazy. Because he, like. I don't know. I just don't understand how anybody could look at him and just be like, oh, yeah, he can wait. This man is about to do something bad. Okay? Just look at him. That kind of distress, I would be like, yeah, I don't really want. You know, I don't want whatever he does to be on me. So I'mnna. Just five minutes. I think he. All he needed was five minutes. But in the White Lotus, there's a consequence for everyone's choices. And although it's not Amrita's fault by any means, there is still a consequence to her choice of not speaking with Rick first. I think logically, she should have probably been like, hey, Zion, can you just give me five minutes? Or this guy's gonna go crazy on all of us. It's for all of our benefit. Let me talk to him for five minutes. But she chose to prioritize her current session, which is also completely fair. But, hey, I think we need to make exceptions. Sometimes when someone looks this crazy, but he goes, I really need to talk to you. And she's like, I have a session. And he's like, this is urgent. Okay, Please, And she's like, just sit on this bench. And he's like, no, no, no. And she's like, look, you'll be all right, okay? I'll come find you. And she said, just give me one hour. You think a man of this level of distress can sit on a bench for one hour? I'm like, no, he can't. But anyways, so she goes off to her session with Zion and Rick sits on the bench like he's told to do. Laughlin is dying, we think at this point we get the water scene, which is mirroring Tanya's death scene from season two. So at this point I was like, oh, we have the water scene. Like, he's done. Laugchlin's dead. We know this. he looks up at the water. He's having, like, visions. We see, like, for Buddha statues staring down. I immediately interpreted this as, like, his family always staring down at him. And maybe like, that's how he perceives himself. As, like, always below them. They're always kind of looking down at him. Other people interpreted this as like, that he might be more drawn to the Buddhist culture. And like I said, I don't think any guesses are necessarily wrong. Like, a lot of things in White Lotus, it. Multiple things can be true. So I think they could be representative of multiple things. Tim wakes up, sees Laughan. Thankfully, Laughan wakes up eventually. the girlfriends are walking with Fabian. They meet, Kunala and Jim. And Rick is witnessing all of this because he's just down the boardwalk. Just happens to be that way. Of course, timing is everything. So he's watching and fuming as he's just watching Jim interacting like his life is perfect. And Rick's life is torn apart because of this man. And he's just happy. Go lucky. Taking photos with these ladies and like, as if nothing's wrong and just stewing. He's stewing and spiraling as he's just observing Jim from afar. We cut to Belinda talking to Porn. Shy. Yes and same thing. Yes. Belinda did the same thing that Tanya did to her. She did that to Pornry. But she also has different circumstances. I don't think it's the same. I think it's interesting to say, oh, hey, look, now that she got money all of a sudden, she pulled the rug out from under porn tribe. But I mean, realistically, they knew each other for a week. There was no promises made. It was just kind of a cute, flirty idea. And obviously she can't do that right now. Obviously, I think they will be fine. I think they will reconnect love. Like, if they really love each other or they're really into each other that much, I don't think she'll ditch it forever. But, like, obviously she has to leave and can't give him heads up on where she's going. So once things are Settled. I would like to believe that Belinda will reach out to porn shot. Maybe wherever she's at, he moves to her, they start a spa and everyone lives happily ever after. It. That's what I would like to think. I don't think that, like, the money will really, truly corrupt Belinda that much because I think that's like the parallel that people were putting is like, oh my God. As soon as she got access to 5 million, she just dropped porn shy and like, kicked him to the curb and like left and forgot about him. I don't think so. I feel more so, like, obviously if you were in that situation, you would be like, oh shit, there's a crazy guy who might want to kill me, who knows? Or at least come after me living down the street that just gave me 5 million and u, I can't stick around, so I've got toa get the fuck out of here. And you know, as lovely as it was getting to know porn, Shai, kind of more important to get the 5 million and me and my son out of here right now, obviously. So I think it's same same, but different. Different. You know what I mean? So she's like, oh, I'm leaving Thailand tomorrow. And then he's like, oh, but what about starting a business, you know, you, me. And she's like, maybe, but circumstances have changed and I mean, what else can you really say? She can't give away her whole, her whole deal. So it's sad, but what else, what else could she do? So we see Rick stew again. He's starting to crack, of course. Chelsea comes just in the nick of time, at the perfect time. And she's like, rick. And he's like, get out of here. And she's like, why? What are you doing? Like, if he would have just listened to Chelsea for two seconds, everything could have been stopped. But he chose. She gave him the second to stop and think about it. And he still said, get the fuck out of here. So he had a moment to reflect and be like, okay, she's right. She just told me, look at the love you that you have. Don't think about the love you didn't get. Look at the love that's in front of you. And then she caught him and even said like, what are you doing? And he had another moment to think about it, and he still said, nah, I'm going crazy. So he had many chances to, like, not do something crazy, and he still did. And he just walks up to Jim, pulls his gun right out and just poom, poom like, Jim is gone. Then we get this. This scene that is, I think, the most iconic scene or the funniest scene we have so far this season. And it's Fabian falling and Lari sprinting. And everyone's like, she's a New York girl. She doesn't play. She's getting out of there. She leaves Kate and Jacqueline in the dust. Oh, my God, it's so good. And then Rick is just standing over Jim, like, looking at what he's done. And Sritala, is like, why? And he says, he killed my father. And then Sritalah is like, he's your father. We knew it. We knew it. We knew it. I doubted it for a second at breakfast because I was like, why wouldn't he just say something? But it makes sense from the previous episode. I was like, duh. They're. They're obviously like father and son, obviously. And obviously Jim maybe didn't remember who Gloria Hatchet was at the moment. Like, maybe he had to look it up or, like, you know, sit there and think a bit and pull back the files from, like, 45, 50 years ago. But obviously him and sweet Aah Dis discussed it. And they were like, oh, shit, that's, you know, so and so, like, that is his son. But he didn't say anything to Rick. Again, all this could have been avoided, technically, if Jim would have just told them that at breakfast. But Sutala says, he's your father. He told me Rick is like, what? And then he goes back and, we see Chelsea. Like I said, I'm not surprised, but this made me sob. I was like, I still knew it was gonna happen. Like, I knew that Chelsea was going toa get caught in the crosshairs because of Rick's stupidity and impulsiveness. I still was hoping it wouldn't happen, but I wasn't that shocked. But I still, like, sobbed when I first saw this, because I was like, no, no, not Chelsea. No. And literally the same thing as Rick. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. She sheds, like, one single tear. And then people were saying, like, oh, maybe it was, like, at this moment, as she's fading away, that she realizes, like, maybe Rick really wasn't her soulmate. He was, like, just a guy. And she put herself in harm's way to basically baby, a grown man. I would like to think so too. Or maybe. Maybe she was just so pure, and she was like, hey, I'm supporting my man until the end. I don't know. But I had a feeling she was gonna get killed because of Rick's stupidity and that he was gonna suffer for it in some way. And he did. So I guess that's not so shocking. But the way it happened was insane. so hated watching that was sobbing, crying. He's carrying a, Chelsea down the dock. Wasn't really sure what his plan was, but he just starts walking with Heral. Or Guy Talk finally arrives. Sritala is like, show him. He went that way. I shoot him. And Gait Talk now has to decide like, oh my God. Because the other two bodyguards are dead. Guy Talk is the only one there that's technically a security guard or a bodyguard. Rick is just walking, so he's like an easy target. He's not trying to actively attack a Guy Talk. So I think Gottt Talk would maybe have an easier time, you know, grappling with the idea of killing someone if it was in self defense. But I mean Rick's just walking with Chelsea in his hands with his back to Guy Talk. He poses virtually no threat anymore. And so Guy Talk is obviously like struggling with like do I just shoot a man in his back? Like m. Do I kill a man at all? Period? Like there's a lot of, a lot of things that he has to decide if he's gonna do. And I was actually shocked he did it. I really didn't think he would have the guts to do it, but he did it. Then we see Rick and Chelsea. I think they were like yin and yang in the water. They were also kind of like the colors of a lotus flower. And Rick looked extremely at peace. So it's just interesting that he was trying to avenge his father's killer and then he became his father's killer. And he was the source of his pain his whole life. He didn't need to hold all that anger because he didn't even know if it was true, first of all. And second of all, like he doesn't know that his life necessarily would have been better with his dad in it. A lot of people's lives are worse. So he was basically creating this story in his head and just didn't let go of it. And because he didn't let go of it, he became his father's killer and just basically fulfilled. It was kind of like a self fulfilling prophecy in a way. His life was going to be ruined in some way because he was like determined that it was ruined already. So kind of crazy the way that the turntables. But we see the rat lifs on the Boat. And then we see, like, the same scene from the boat on the way in on episode one, but this time, like, lot. Well, first of all, logistically, how are they just letting the guests leave right after a mass shooting? I know it's the show, and maybe it doesn't have to follow every single logical step in life, but there's no way they would just be, like, hopping on a boat pretty quickly thereafter and just be like, oh, we're going home now. And didn't they even the Ratliffs, like, even though they weren't directly near the shooting, like, they clearly would have heard it, so they're just like, no discussion of that on the boat. And then the girlfriends, like, just, I guess, comforting each other on the boat. Like, I, I don't know. I'm just kind of shocked that they, like, let everyone leave. But maybe we just look past that for the. It's not important to the story. They. You get to leave. The police just handle it how they handle it, whatever. But also, Lochhlin is like, still. He almost died like, a couple hours ago. And he's just sitting there with his glasses. Piper'dressed in her, whatever, South Carolina, North Carolina bestist. She's no longer in her, like, temple, cottage core dresses. And Saxon is reading his spirituality book. I really enjoyed that they all went through their own changes during the trip, so they get all their cell phones back. Tim is like, hey, things are about to change. I wish we would have been able to see a little bit more because it's up to interpretation, like, what happens with them. I'm not sure that we're going to follow up with them in season four, because I don't think. I think we'll get mostly new characters. I don't know if even Greg will be featured in season four, but I would like to think that since, again, like, the point of the White Lotus is that, like, most of the rich white people, like, even if they get into some sort of trouble, like, somehow due to their whiteness or their power or their influence or whatever, just like, it doesn't really affect them and kind of like get out with any real punishment. so I have a feeling that somehow Tim is going toa get out of the FBI thing and that when they all get home, their lives are gon toa be pretty much exactly the same as when they left. That's my, my theory. But I could also see their family being completely torn apart. But then I feel like that goes in so many different directions that it's like hard to even decide how that would go. I'm more at the point of view that, like, their life will be exactly the same. Tim. How Summer somehow miraculously gets out of it and doesn't go to jail and they don't lose their house and it's kind of just like the thing never happened and he freaked out for a week for basically nothing. Then we get the montage with like the Jesus music and Greg is just doing his same thing, having parties. Chloe's doing her same thing, picking up men. They're probably planning a little, you know, Mina Choa or something. And yeah, she's already back on her game. He's back on his game like nothing changed. The Russians are already back out partying like nothing changed. Sam Rockwell Frank is already back in the temple like nothing changed. And then Gaitalk and Muk get together and then he becomes the bodyguard for Swtala. By the way, terrible choice. I don't know why Strait Ala likes him so much. Terrible choice for a bodyguard. Unless somehow now that he's killed someone, maybe that just d. Like maybe, that just hardened his heart a little bit and maybe now he is fit for a security guard. I don't know. Or a bodyguard, but I don't know. If I was freeeeail, I'd probably be like, dude, just this career path isn't meant for you. And that's okay. Just go do something else. Be a chef, be a painter, be a carpenter, whatever. Just don't be a security card. But yeah, so he gets mooc. There are, you know, we can assume they're together now. And now he is the full time bodyguard fore Sutala. And then we see Rick and Chelsea being sent home. That's really sad. And we see porn Shai waving to Belinda and Zion. And it is sad. Like, it's sad seeing his face particularly as well, because, like, he's heartbroken about it. But like I said, I would like to think that she's gonna call him in a month or two, let them know where she's at. Maybe they reconnect. I think I would like to think that they work out in the future. So I really liked it as a finale. I do think I got caught up and a lot of us on the Internet got caught up in like, the theories too much instead of just like enjoying the show for what it is. I don't know though. I also enjoy theorizing a bit more. I think the show would be like, really juicy if it had a bit more like, plot twists. But I think what was kind of disappointing for me overall is that, like, everything that was foreshadowed in the first episode was essentially what happened. So I was kind of, like, thinking that more plot twists would happen. And I love a freaking juicy plot twist, but it's kind of just laid out right there for you, and you just watch it happen. So I think that was my main takeaway, is that I, like, I would have probably preferred at least one good plot twist. I mean, seeing Greg there was kind of crazy, right? seeing that the Russians were actually con men and, like, scamming Lourie for money was, like, pretty crazy. But other than that, I don't feel that there were any real significant plot twists. So I think, like, there's also. I mean, also, it doesn't have to be, like, full of potuous either to still enjoy the show, right? But I think. I do think it would take it just, like, one level higher. I also think I was expecting an insane plot twist because of season two, because we, like, literally could have never expected Tanya to. To die, especially in the way that she did die. I know it started foreshadowing a bit, like, in maybe the second half of season two. But I was like, no, she won't. It's like, she'll surely get out of it somehow because, like, that's how it usually goes for the rich people in the White Lotus. But it was so funny and such a crazy plot twist the way that she died, that it was just like, okay, I'm expecting something like that, if not crazier for season three. And there wasn't really any twists. Like, it kind of was just genuinely laid out for you. Lots of extreme foreshadowing that I was thinking would for sure leadan us down a path and then, like, veer and give us a twist at the end. But no, I mean, it kind of just was what they said it probably would be. Chelsea kept referring to, like, something bad's gonna happen. Bad things come in threes. And so none of it was entirely shocking. I think just the way it happened was shocking. well, okay, duh. The biggest plot twist was obviously the. The incest. But I don't even know that that was a plot twist either, because that was hinted to in the first episode. So, like, I was actually expecting a crazier. Like, I was expecting that the family was, like, really fucked up. Like, from. From the incest vibes we got in the first episode. I was, like, expecting that the family was, like, really, really fucked up in that way. and that they already had pre established, like incestuous relations. But, well, I mean, hey, maybe they do. And we don't know because it wasn't part of the story. But the, the scene that we did get was insane. I will admit that that was insane. But as far as the finale, I think. I don't know. I would have loved to see a little bit more. I don't know. Oh, yeah, I think I would have liked to see like, Chloe and Saxon's reaction to Chelsea dying. but Chloe orm. sorry, I forgot. The actress who plays her. But the actress who plays Chloe said in an interview that she likes to think that Chloe would cry, like hyperventilating cry, and be extremely upset and distraught for like five minutes. And then she would just like tuck it back, you know, brush it under the rug and just get back to what she does best, which is like, hooking up with guys, scamming people, who knows? Whatever she does best. So she would probably like hyperventilate, cry for five minutes, and then just get back to her thing with Greg. So, I could see that being the case and then I think Saxon would probably be pretty distraught, but I do think that he would probably take it as a chance to learn even more about spirituality, maybe. but yeah, as far as favorite characters, let me think. I mean, Victoria, obviously iconic. She has like the most iconic lines of the season. She's super funny. She was like the comedic relief for everyone. Saxon, actually, I think is also one of my favorite. I don't know if I could rank them, but for sure, Victoria, for sure. Saxon, mostly because I would have never guessed that he would have the character arc that he had because in the first episode I was like, oh, my God, gross. Like major Doucheller, disgusting. Hate him. And actually became a huge fan of him by episodes 6, 7 and 8. I was like, wait. Saxon is actually an amazing character. He has had such an amazing arc throughout this week that they've been in Thailand and he was the only one that actually, like, if we're talking about, like, the spiritual thought that like, you're kind of in groups or like pods with people, some, you know, some, you don't know, to help fulfill this, like, divine plan that Chelsea was talking about then. And essentially like, her work was kind of done because she did make her mark on Saxony and I think improved his life for the better, that he maybe even found tools to cope with the way that he was assaulted by his own brother. Like, hopefully now he has more tools to like, better cope with life and be a better person. So I really liked Saxon. I think Patrick was, like, such an amazing actor, especially in the series. I guess I haven't seen him in much else, but now I think I'm gonna have to go see what else he's in because I was actually really, really impressed with his acting and, like, the way that he portrayed Saxon. And obviously Chelsea. I mean, obviously, I think. I think Chelsea would have to be my favorite character just because, like, obviously. So, yeah, I will pick a favorite. I think it will. I will say first favorite Chelsea, second favorite Saxon, third favorite Victoria, and then I will say fourth favorite Rick. Fifth favorite 10. Yeah, I'll go with that. Order. No. Well, I love Belinda, but I think her. Her acting didn't need to be so out of this world because, like, Belinda isn't in the middle of all this. Like, well, she is towards the end. I don't know. I love Natasha Rothwell as well, but I don't think, like, we already kind of knew Belinda coming into this season, so I don't think any of her actions were as, like, shocking as it. As some of the other characters were. For example, But, yeah, love Chelsea. Love Chelsea. Love her and Rick, even though they're also super, extremely toxic together. Love Wal and Goggins. I had never really watched anything with him in it before, but, yeah, now I'm gonna be doing a Wal and Goggins binge as well. Like, I know he's in Vice Presidents. I need to watch that. It looks freaking hilarious. Yeah. So obsessed with Wal and Goggins. Obsessed with Amy. L.W. wood. I've never seen her in anything before either. So, like, they're my two favorite actors that I didn't really know about before coming out of this. Like, I'm definitely going to be watching for them, looking or, like, moving forward. But, yeah, I just really loved, like, the depth of the dynamics between characters this season, and you can, like, really see, like, the intense emotion on their faces and. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I could rank the seasons per se. I was thinking about this as well. I actually don't like season one as much because I came into watching the White Lotus as season two came out. So I watched season two live, and I didn't watch season one live. I watched season one, like, right before I watched season two. So I think season one, I was kind of like e. Okay. Like, I think I just really didn't like, like, the two girls, like, Sydney Sweeney and her friend. I think I was just kind of, like, really annoyed by them. And I don't know, I think the plot, like, wasn't quite as interesting. I mean, like. Like, Mike White said it was like a filler TV show for HBO during the pandemic, so it wasn't made expecting there to be multiple seasons, but since it was such a hit, obviously there are now. but since I came in when season two came out, I. And, I knew Jennifer Coolidge was going to be in it. I'm obsessed with Jennifer Coolidge. I don't know. Season two is just so iconic. I think it's one of my favorite TV shows. Like, specifically season two of the whiteight Lotus. I think one of my favorite TV shows, like, of all time. I don't know what it is. It's so aesthetically beautiful. I could just watch it over and over and over again. It makes me feel, like, nostalgic for being on vacation. Like. Like, I just love it. It's so good. And obviously, because Jennifer Coolidge is in it, I don't think I would love it as much if Jennifer Coolidge wasn't in it, but she is like, the icing on top. Like, just Chef's Kiss makes it amazing. So I think, I mean, by far, season two is my favorite. I don't want to say season one is, like, my least favorite be, but I think just because I have less emotional attachment to it because I didn't watch it live and I didn't really get the hype around the White Lotus at the time. because I also didn't have HBO at the time, so I was kind of just like, o, I'm not gonna buy HBO for like, one TV show. Like, but then when the second season came around, I think it had enough hype that I was like, all right, you know what? I'm gonna jump in. And I'm so glad I did. So I think I have more sentimental connection to seasons two and three. So therefore, I'm going toa say season two is by far my favorite. And then I would say season three and then season one. yeah, mostly just caus. I feel like I just didn't have as much attachment to season one, but it doesn't mean that it's bad. I think it's iconic because it's like, the original. So it's not like it's bad, but I just have more connection to season three. Yeah. What do we think for season four? I know a lot of people have been hypothesizing, like, a cold weather White lotus season. And I think that would be really interestingus. We've already done like three major hot weather areas of the world, like Hawaii, Italy, Thailand. So I think it would be really cool to see like a Swiss Alps, like, really rich. Or maybe like France, like Chamonix or the Swiss Alps or I know they were towying around with like Norway or Switzer or Sweden, but I don't think. I don't. For some reason I heard that they weren't gonna do that or something. and then a lot of people have been asking for like, African safari or like somewhere like maybe Brazil, somewhere in South America. Whatever it is, I don't care. I'm just super excited because I don't know, this is like my favorite format of TV show. I freaking love it. And I love that nothing is necessarily right or wrong. Like, any theory you have, like, can kind of be true because it's all about, like, human interaction and dynamics and, like, the choices that we make and how they affect our lives and like, socioonomic, I want to say causes, but socioeconomic, consequences, due to your place in life and your background and whatever. So I think that's all I have to say on it for now. But yeah, I mean, wow, what a crazy, crazy, crazy ending. I need to watch it again. But I just. It's, one of those things that I wish I could rewatch it again for the first time because, like, the feeling I got when I was not sure if Chelsea was gonna die or not and that, like, seeing Rick just, like, go off and like, go awol, I mean, that was insane. Yeah. I don't know, guys. I can't believe it's over. But on the one hand, I'm kind of glad because these breakdowns are fun and everything, but they take a lot of energy and a lot of effort. So I think I'm ready to take a break from the TV analysis for now. I think that's it. By the way, I didn't speak about Love on the Spectrum Season three, I don't think. But I'm obsessed. So if you haven't watched that yet, it's an easy watch. You don't have to pay super close attention like you would in the White Lotus. Like, it' it's an easy watch to put on the background. Extremely wholesome. Makes me believe in humanity again. Like, I really, really enjoy it. I think I might even just rewatch the season because I just love watching it so much. So Love on The Spectrum Season 3. Netflix highly recommend. If you haven't watched it yet. Connor. I'm not gonna spoil it, but Connor and his dates are by far my favorite of the whole show. Obsessed. Anyways, you can tell I'm losing gas a little bit here, so I am going to end it here. But I hope you enjoyed. All right, well, thanks for listening, guys, and I will see you on the next episode. Bye.