15 | The Search Engine war arrives at Googles doorstep

In the latest episode of the Digital Nexus podcast, we dive into a rich discussion centered around the impact of AI on search engines, particularly comparing new tools like Perplexity and ChatGPT against traditional giant Google. The episode opens with updates on the current AI landscape, including a comparison of AI advancements to human cognition and insights from Mark's work on various AI applications and more.

️TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Introduction and catch ups, AI research comparing AI to the human brain,
06:56 - Mark on the PerCapita podcast - talking AI, web3 and the tech bro election
0️9:39 - GPT Brains video 
17:18 - Elections and AI - fabled US election results and implications
25:52 - Musk increasing his power base
29:06 - Nvidia at all time highs (again)
30:40 - Lose the GPT, Chat is just cleaner
31:34 - US election monitoring 
33:50 - Comparing search engines, Perplexity vs ChatGPT
42:01 - Apple Updates and Meta's AI Tool 
50:29 - Meta's version of the Google podcast generator 
53:00 - Recraft AI and highly customisable gen AI image generation 
58:00 - Insights from Ethan Mollick 
1:02:00 - Sam Altman on AI agent possibilities 

Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insights into the latest in AI and technology!

LINKS 
- Digital Village - https://digitalvillage.network/
- NotCentralised - https://www.notcentralised.com/ 
- SIKE - https://sike.ai/

Per capita podcast 
https://youtu.be/6ikh5NA7S8Y?si=dz5gFwtJi9djmViH 

Video on the similarities of AI and it's brain with ours 
https://youtu.be/jIhkgSN7vVU?si=pKzaDMb1Zdua8G3l 

Election AI bit of fun
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-7259758613898878976-ee8X?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android 

And the posts 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L12UPUmgOtSQv9u8Z7Z_ZBf2SfJSrEK26r3oJNHkPJs/edit?usp=sharing 

Ethan Mollick on asking the AI to do more
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/emollick_we-are-just-not-used-to-abundant-intelligence-activity-7260303546749784064-1Sxb?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android 

Ethan on changing how we work with AI
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/emollick_big-study-of-187k-developers-using-github-ugcPost-7259592569674678273-iu7x?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android 

Sam Altman talking with Bill Gates on agents  
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7IHruH31IYa2Tatu5zQr5R 

Election Win for Trump.
What does this mean for Elon, Tesla and Grok: https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/06/what-trumps-win-might-mean-for-elon-musk/

Despite the AI slump - Nvidia just surpassed Apple: https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/05/nvidia-just-became-the-worlds-largest-company-amid-ai-boom/

ChatGPT buying Chat.com:  https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/06/openai-acquired-chat-com/

Perplexity is winning at Search with the election:
https://www.perplexity.ai/elections/2024-11-05/us/president

Their evaluation looking to hit $9Billion with the next round of funding: https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-startup-perplexity-to-triple-valuation-to-9-billion-in-new-funding-round-f2fb8c2c?mod=ai_news_article_pos2

Recraft.ai launched a new image gene

Transcript

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Welcome to another episode of

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the Digital Nexus podcast.

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We're here at episode 15.

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Mark, tell us what

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we've got on today.

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Got a whole lot of stuff in

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terms of the research

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that's been going on out there

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where AI is very much

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like the human brain.

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Ooh, and it is the battle of

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the search engines.

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We're doing a bit

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of comparison between

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perplexity, open AI, Google,

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showing you the

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type of results.

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Obviously the election has been

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a big part of this week,

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seeing what the impact that has

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on the tech market

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and the tech world, all that

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and more, check it out.

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See that?

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Ho, ho, ho, Merry Chris.

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Merry Chris, oh,

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sorry, Trumpness.

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Merry Trumpness.

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Cheers.

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It seems that the

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world is still divided,

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so is America, but the AI news

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is still coming through.

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I question that.

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50-50.

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It wasn't really divided.

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It was a clean sweep.

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It was, okay.

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Clean sweep, if you're counting

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electoral votes,

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look at the popular votes,

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which is like how the world is.

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But then it worked.

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55 to 45, 53 to 47, whatever it

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was, the popular vote.

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I know that's not how the

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electoral

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colleges kind of work.

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That's more the people, right?

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That's true, that's true.

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I agree with that. It's 50-50.

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I agree with that,

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I agree with that.

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It's funny how you don't get,

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if you looked at, say, a

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dictatorial kind of country

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where it's like, look, the

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president got 100%

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of the votes again.

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(laughing) Very different, right?

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That's a sweep for me.

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A weird system,

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look up Jerry Mandarin,

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look up all that kind of stuff.

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It's a very easy system to rig.

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But I'm saying Merry Christmas

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because Starbucks,

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who are not a

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sponsor, but if they want to,

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they can be where I got my

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copies from downstairs

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over here at Stone and Chalk.

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They're already into the

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Christmas theme.

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You've got yours, I think?

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They've always got a nice

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theme, this little cafe.

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Okay, well you got

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turnips and carrots

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and stuff like that, so.

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Yeah, they're good.

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Merry Christmas turnip.

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But dude, it's episode 15.

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There's a whole lot of stuff

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going on around the world.

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You've got the

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election map on there.

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You've been using a bit of

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perplexity and stuff.

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But before we dive into it,

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then use views and rants and

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all that kind of stuff.

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What have you

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been up to this week?

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This week's been

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real interesting.

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I mean, just continuing on from

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a lot of the recent work

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I've been doing, been

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playing a lot of ground

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with the likes of the AI tools

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that I'm mainly diving in.

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So open AI, perplexity, Claude,

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and comparing it with how they

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output a bunch of research.

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create some personas

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within the

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research that I gather.

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So it's really interesting

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exploring the different models

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and how they shape outputs.

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In particularly, O1.

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been really enjoying

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how O1 synthesizes a lot of the

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research that I input to it.

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Compared to things like 4.0,

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compared to our cloud.

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I'll do it there.

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When it's doing its

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thinking and stuff.

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When it's doing its thinking,

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it just outputs a little bit

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more richer, I guess,

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nuances to the, I guess, the

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structures I was after

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when it comes to building up.

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It's other types and personas.

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and sorry to digress

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that from your recap,

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but O1 is the one that,

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like you see with open AI,

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that it's taking 16 seconds to

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think and plan things

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versus doing its chain of

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thought, then it

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does an output.

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I, like by default, I think

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most people have,

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or everyone has 4.0.

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What I did see, and you know

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how sometimes chat GBT

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gives you two responses and

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which one you prefer.

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with the same model,

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but I saw one when I was using

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4.0, the previous model,

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where one of the options that

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it gave me of

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the two to compare

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had the thinking in there.

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like chain of thought

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reasoning and thinking.

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different ideas,

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like two different

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options of output.

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always just the one model.

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that they're doing.

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They haven't done this before.

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like the two outputs,

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but it's more like that they

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as part of 4.0, it seems like.

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know if you noticed this,

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but if you just type in like

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these little things,

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but if you type in,

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you know how you

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type in Google,

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tell me a funny story about it,

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and then it just auto completes

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of what other people

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I haven't noticed that one yet.

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Yeah, you just leave.

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we have a play around.

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a look and stuff,

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but what else have you been up

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to and stuff, man?

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Digital Village has been,

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we've been rolling out a few

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new marketing activities

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and AI is obviously a big part

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of how we're managing that.

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interesting seeing

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how we can automate things

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between our

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general campaign work,

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but then also just because

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HubSpot really stole their

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co-pilot, just trying to

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explore how co-pilot

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interacting in that tool.

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pretty average.

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It doesn't really do much.

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Oh, interesting.

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Yeah, it wasn't the best, but--

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trying to, a lot of CRMs,

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whether it's Salesforce or

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HubSpot in that regard,

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are doing their own agents.

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like a separate,

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under HubSpot and stuff,

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but they're going into like

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agent workflows and stuff.

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going on there.

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Anything else?

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No, that's mainly it.

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Like it's been a

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very active week,

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just getting into

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the weeds of things

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and creating a lot of rich

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content off the back of it

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for the work that we're doing.

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It's good fun.

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Like I'm enjoying, the week has

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been very productive,

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very full on.

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And so much easier to do

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productivity stuff

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because of AI, right?

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Even more so, just

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being able to think.

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(coughs)

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Excuse me.

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Even more so--

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AI sneeze.

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Even more so, just

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being able to think more

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about the strategy work than

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having to worry

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about the time

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creating the content,

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which is obviously in the past

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where you had to always

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consider far out,

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I've got three weeks now of

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like building out this content.

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I can fast track that process

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and put so much more effort

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into the strategy of things,

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which I find is more rewarding.

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Yeah.

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Like you get a better outcome.

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I've so much better outcome.

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Being more

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tactful, more targeted,

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rather than having to

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worry about the fact

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that I have to

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create three pages of ads

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and media and--

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Whatever it is

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that you're doing,

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whatever the mundane parts are,

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you can automate a lot of that

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or get 30 ideas

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instead of one or two.

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So yeah, super

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interesting kind of stuff.

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How about yourself?

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What's been your world?

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A couple of things,

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been on other podcasts, sorry.

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I've been on other

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people's podcasts.

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I'm out, this is over.

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Oh no, okay.

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Folks, Chris just walked out.

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And if you're

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watching on YouTube,

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AO Chris is back.

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No, I've been on

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another podcast

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that was filmed last week.

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It came out this week.

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It's called Per

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Capita Australia.

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And Per Capita, they do some

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interesting things.

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I wanna see this up on screen.

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Pull it up, Mark.

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Pull it up, Jamie.

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So let's have a look, bring

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this up on screen.

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Hey, there he is.

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There you go,

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look at that title,

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the Tech Bro election.

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So that was one of the things

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that was covered.

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You couldn't like give

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yourself a clean shave

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for going into that?

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I mean, I'm doing

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the Movember thing.

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So like I am shaving the sides,

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keeping the Mo.

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It looks a lot cleaner than it

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did in that video.

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Oh yeah, I was very

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ragged and stuff there.

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It was filmed at like

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8.30 at night folks.

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So, or whatever

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it was, it's late.

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Cause I did another

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podcast this week,

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we can't go out till next week.

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But anyways, in this one, we

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talked about AI.

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This is Kate Bauer.

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And she does a lot of research

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into governance and AI.

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There was also Dan,

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who is from something

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called Health Engine.

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He's into his AI

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and also blockchain.

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And Peter Lewis, who is the

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host that started all of this.

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I met him when

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Chris, you and I,

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we had some international

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guests come along and join us

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from Taiwan and also from

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Microsoft in the States.

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And these two guests,

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they basically were covering

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this concept of plurality.

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So it was Audrey

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Chang and Glenn Whale.

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And they cover the

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concept of plurality,

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which is how do you

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bring collaboration

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in technology together?

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So that you can do

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better governance

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and run governments and stuff.

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And they're looking

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at that in Taiwan.

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Taiwan's very advanced there.

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Anyway, I spoke to

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these guys about AI.

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There was the

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whole character AI

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and the unfortunate incident

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that it was involved in

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where a teen took his own life

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after speaking to one of these

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like characters.

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And it calls into

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question ethics,

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how it happened, et

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cetera, et cetera.

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So we discussed that.

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We discussed the

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elections a little bit.

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We discussed just how does

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blockchain work

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in terms of like how it helps

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the whole AI kind of

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landscape and stuff.

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So that was really interesting

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as well that we covered.

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And yeah, so you can

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see me here with Dan

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and then Kate and stuff before.

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So that was like

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one thing that I did.

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So definitely check that out.

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Good to plug

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other people's work.

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And then I did something fun

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that just got

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released this morning.

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This is OpenAI and like a GPT.

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Well, actually it's GPT

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and how there was

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research by Max Tegmark

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and others from MIT looking at

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how the neurons in AI fires.

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Like before we didn't even know

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how these things work,

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there were black boxes.

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Now there's a bit of mapping.

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They've been able to figure out

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how to map the brain of an AI,

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so to speak, or map the AI.

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And seeing how

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the neurons fire,

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how it ignores certain words.

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Sorry, how it ignores noise

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focuses on like

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keywords and stuff.

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And it's very

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similar to how AI,

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sorry, how the

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human brain works.

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So I'll just play

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this short little clip.

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Let's have a look.

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So GPT, we've been studying how

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your neural networks work

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and you know

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what's fascinating?

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So I'm playing a

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researcher there.

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I'm playing like the AI there.

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01:09:52,966 --> 01:09:53,633
Then I play

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another researcher here.

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And anyway, like it's just a

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bit of fun going.

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Generalize and adapt,

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solving a wide range.

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Going back and forth with the

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AI and stuff like that,

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because some of these things

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just to educate people,

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01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:08,166
it's more fun than just putting

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out a research paper

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and saying, hey, read this.

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Like it's actually cool to

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showcase some more.

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I guess you could

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say like insights

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or like a different kind of

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funny take on it and stuff.

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And we'll go back to some of

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the funnier videos.

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Like I think I did something a

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little while ago.

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You saw that one where it's

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like Worldcoin,

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01:10:24,133 --> 01:10:25,466
Sam Altman's got his interest

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in this other kind of project,

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which is on blockchain,

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which is recording your eye to

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prove that you're human.

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You get your international,

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global, whatever it is ID,

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that you give up at

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what cost your data.

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So a bit of a joke

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on that kind of stuff.

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So sometimes it's funny stuff.

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This is a bit more educational.

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01:10:43,166 --> 01:10:44,000
We can actually see the

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research that is there.

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I was gonna say,

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can you tell us

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about the research piece a bit?

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Yeah.

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You brought it up?

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01:10:50,433 --> 01:10:51,966
Yeah, actually I wasn't gonna

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jump to this until later.

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We'll get to it

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later, that's fine.

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But there isn't a video that

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goes along with it.

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So the research piece

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was from Max Tegmark.

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You can see the

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actual research here.

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So I'll just bring

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that up on screen.

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So the geometry of concept,

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sparse auto encoder,

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01:11:08,233 --> 01:11:08,600
feature

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structure, lovely stuff.

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If you wanna know

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what that means,

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01:11:12,899 --> 01:11:14,133
auto encoders are ways that we

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can actually see into the AI.

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Without auto encoders, it was

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harder to do that.

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They were black boxes.

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Now we get a glimpse.

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And because of that, and it's

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covered in this video here

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by the AI grid, if

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01:11:25,166 --> 01:11:25,933
you're not subscribed,

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01:11:25,933 --> 01:11:26,833
definitely check them out.

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01:11:27,233 --> 01:11:28,266
I mean, they need to subscribe.

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01:11:28,266 --> 01:11:30,266
So he's only got 264,000.

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01:11:30,266 --> 01:11:30,833
I think he

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really needs the help.

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So definitely add

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that to your list folks.

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264,000.

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4,000, well,

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01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,933
263,999 more than us.

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01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,033
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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01:11:43,033 --> 01:11:43,833
Thank you to the one viewer

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that we've got.

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01:11:45,233 --> 01:11:47,466
But interestingly, the things

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that they've seen there

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is because we

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can see into the AI

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01:11:51,766 --> 01:11:53,666
and understand its biases

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01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:55,466
and understand how it works a

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lot more easily

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01:11:56,199 --> 01:11:56,833
because it's not

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such a black box.

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01:11:58,300 --> 01:12:00,433
What it does mean is, and take

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01:12:00,433 --> 01:12:00,866
a look at this.

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01:12:00,866 --> 01:12:01,166
This is like

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some of the mappings

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01:12:02,133 --> 01:12:03,233
from the research and stuff.

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01:12:04,333 --> 01:12:04,666
They've found

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regions, the AI has lobes

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01:12:07,066 --> 01:12:08,899
just like the human brain does

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01:12:09,333 --> 01:12:10,266
for English text,

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01:12:10,266 --> 01:12:11,133
for code and math,

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01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:12,366
for facts and

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01:12:12,366 --> 01:12:14,166
findings, for chat,

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01:12:14,633 --> 01:12:15,566
just general kind of

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01:12:15,566 --> 01:12:16,333
chit chat and stuff

548
01:12:16,333 --> 01:12:17,333
and going back and forth.

549
01:12:17,833 --> 01:12:18,866
That has a region

550
01:12:18,866 --> 01:12:20,966
in the AI brain.

551
01:12:21,266 --> 01:12:22,333
So that's kind of crazy.

552
01:12:23,033 --> 01:12:23,566
But what it does

553
01:12:23,566 --> 01:12:24,366
mean Chris is that

554
01:12:24,666 --> 01:12:26,100
all this talk about biases and

555
01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:26,699
stuff like that,

556
01:12:27,166 --> 01:12:29,066
if we know how the AI actually

557
01:12:29,066 --> 01:12:30,533
thinks and works and stuff,

558
01:12:30,766 --> 01:12:31,266
we can actually

559
01:12:31,266 --> 01:12:32,066
work around that.

560
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:34,300
So we can help avoid the biases

561
01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:35,033
that might be there

562
01:12:35,033 --> 01:12:35,966
because we're using certain

563
01:12:35,966 --> 01:12:37,300
models, we can train better.

564
01:12:37,733 --> 01:12:39,533
And as these things scale in

565
01:12:39,533 --> 01:12:40,366
terms of being able

566
01:12:40,366 --> 01:12:42,033
to be much lower cost, they can

567
01:12:42,033 --> 01:12:43,233
be on our own devices,

568
01:12:43,766 --> 01:12:45,266
we get to that future where,

569
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:46,233
look, put it this way,

570
01:12:46,633 --> 01:12:48,833
even if we don't get to AGI

571
01:12:48,833 --> 01:12:50,133
where these AI things

572
01:12:50,266 --> 01:12:51,133
can think and

573
01:12:51,133 --> 01:12:52,100
reason for themselves,

574
01:12:52,300 --> 01:12:53,699
because there's a lot of on

575
01:12:53,699 --> 01:12:55,133
defense stuff about reasoning,

576
01:12:56,333 --> 01:12:57,466
even if they don't get to think

577
01:12:57,466 --> 01:12:57,966
for themselves,

578
01:12:57,966 --> 01:12:58,466
like you always

579
01:12:58,466 --> 01:12:59,666
have to feed it ideas

580
01:13:00,266 --> 01:13:01,633
for it to be able to think

581
01:13:01,633 --> 01:13:02,666
about something new,

582
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:04,933
that's still fine if they're so

583
01:13:04,933 --> 01:13:06,166
much more prevalent out there

584
01:13:06,166 --> 01:13:06,733
because you and I

585
01:13:06,733 --> 01:13:07,566
have seen just how,

586
01:13:07,966 --> 01:13:09,233
even in the current state, how

587
01:13:09,233 --> 01:13:10,633
powerful these things are,

588
01:13:10,633 --> 01:13:12,766
I can do so much more than I

589
01:13:12,766 --> 01:13:13,966
did this time last year

590
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:15,133
because of AI and

591
01:13:15,133 --> 01:13:15,933
from the year before.

592
01:13:17,166 --> 01:13:18,600
AGI, the reasoning

593
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,066
stuff there, we digress,

594
01:13:20,066 --> 01:13:20,600
we can go into

595
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:21,699
that a little bit more

596
01:13:22,333 --> 01:13:23,066
in another episode

597
01:13:23,066 --> 01:13:23,866
or even later on.

598
01:13:23,866 --> 01:13:24,899
Or watch our last episode,

599
01:13:24,899 --> 01:13:25,733
we dived into quite a

600
01:13:25,733 --> 01:13:27,500
lot about AGI and it's--

601
01:13:27,533 --> 01:13:28,366
Oh, actually that's right.

602
01:13:28,433 --> 01:13:29,333
It's a fear and

603
01:13:29,333 --> 01:13:30,066
or even benefits.

604
01:13:30,500 --> 01:13:31,066
That's the risk and

605
01:13:31,066 --> 01:13:31,933
fear and benefits,

606
01:13:31,933 --> 01:13:33,933
but if we even get there,

607
01:13:33,933 --> 01:13:34,633
because there's

608
01:13:34,633 --> 01:13:35,633
so much research

609
01:13:35,866 --> 01:13:36,533
that shows that

610
01:13:36,533 --> 01:13:38,133
AI doesn't reason

611
01:13:38,233 --> 01:13:39,266
beyond what it's been given,

612
01:13:40,266 --> 01:13:41,133
that's a problem.

613
01:13:41,899 --> 01:13:43,033
You will never get to

614
01:13:43,033 --> 01:13:45,000
AGI if it cannot reason

615
01:13:45,166 --> 01:13:46,966
beyond just its training set.

616
01:13:47,166 --> 01:13:48,766
Humans, we get new things, we

617
01:13:48,766 --> 01:13:49,633
can reason with it,

618
01:13:49,633 --> 01:13:50,866
we can think outside the box,

619
01:13:50,866 --> 01:13:51,533
we can do more.

620
01:13:52,166 --> 01:13:53,266
If AI can't do that

621
01:13:53,266 --> 01:13:55,166
yet, the way that--

622
01:13:55,166 --> 01:13:55,899
Well, I mean-- Sorry,

623
01:13:56,266 --> 01:13:57,333
the way the LLMs are

624
01:13:57,333 --> 01:13:58,399
designed right now,

625
01:13:58,399 --> 01:13:59,566
if they can't get beyond that,

626
01:13:59,566 --> 01:14:00,233
then that's a problem.

627
01:14:00,433 --> 01:14:01,833
100%, so the current, and this

628
01:14:01,833 --> 01:14:02,300
was a big thing

629
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:02,866
we talked about, the

630
01:14:02,866 --> 01:14:04,166
current state of AI

631
01:14:04,666 --> 01:14:06,433
is not gonna get to AGI.

632
01:14:06,433 --> 01:14:07,500
If it's gonna be AGI, it'd have

633
01:14:07,500 --> 01:14:07,966
to be something

634
01:14:07,966 --> 01:14:09,466
that is almost a

635
01:14:09,466 --> 01:14:11,433
brand new type of AI model

636
01:14:11,566 --> 01:14:12,233
that's come out.

637
01:14:12,433 --> 01:14:13,000
Potentially, yeah.

638
01:14:14,133 --> 01:14:15,066
Just like touching on this,

639
01:14:15,066 --> 01:14:16,133
I think it's really fascinating

640
01:14:16,133 --> 01:14:18,633
where this is leading to.

641
01:14:19,366 --> 01:14:20,966
One first ironic state is that

642
01:14:20,966 --> 01:14:22,433
AI is also becoming

643
01:14:22,566 --> 01:14:23,399
a really big

644
01:14:23,399 --> 01:14:25,233
involvement in how we even map

645
01:14:25,399 --> 01:14:27,066
human neuron

646
01:14:27,066 --> 01:14:28,199
pathways on the brain.

647
01:14:28,199 --> 01:14:29,433
So we're using AI to generate

648
01:14:29,433 --> 01:14:30,033
those pathways.

649
01:14:30,033 --> 01:14:31,566
So we got a neuron, a thing

650
01:14:31,566 --> 01:14:32,266
that we're learning about

651
01:14:32,266 --> 01:14:33,366
and how it has its own neurons

652
01:14:33,366 --> 01:14:34,166
and how it's doing

653
01:14:34,166 --> 01:14:34,766
its own learnings,

654
01:14:35,666 --> 01:14:36,433
training us and

655
01:14:36,433 --> 01:14:37,233
giving us insights

656
01:14:37,233 --> 01:14:39,100
into how we train and learn

657
01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:40,133
about our own brains,

658
01:14:40,133 --> 01:14:40,966
which I don't

659
01:14:40,966 --> 01:14:41,666
think is fascinating.

660
01:14:41,666 --> 01:14:42,033
It's a double

661
01:14:42,033 --> 01:14:43,733
little-- That seems happy.

662
01:14:44,233 --> 01:14:45,066
Meta-thought process there.

663
01:14:45,399 --> 01:14:47,366
But the benefits

664
01:14:47,366 --> 01:14:49,333
of this is because

665
01:14:50,366 --> 01:14:51,166
we're mapping this

666
01:14:51,166 --> 01:14:52,433
out in an AI tool

667
01:14:52,433 --> 01:14:54,066
where we're able to dive into,

668
01:14:55,866 --> 01:14:56,666
what would be a better word,

669
01:14:56,666 --> 01:14:57,399
for lack of a better word,

670
01:14:57,399 --> 01:14:58,533
the code of how it

671
01:14:58,533 --> 01:14:59,566
processes these things

672
01:14:59,566 --> 01:15:01,566
and map this out in a really

673
01:15:01,566 --> 01:15:02,233
interesting way,

674
01:15:02,233 --> 01:15:03,066
similar to the brain.

675
01:15:03,066 --> 01:15:04,166
It actually also allows us to

676
01:15:04,166 --> 01:15:05,699
be much more predictive

677
01:15:05,966 --> 01:15:07,933
around how our own brains work

678
01:15:07,933 --> 01:15:09,199
than we could ever be.

679
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:09,966
Because we're able to

680
01:15:09,966 --> 01:15:13,000
now see this AI tool,

681
01:15:13,366 --> 01:15:15,666
this AI model act in a way that

682
01:15:15,666 --> 01:15:16,433
is the human mind

683
01:15:16,433 --> 01:15:17,566
and therefore we can then

684
01:15:17,566 --> 01:15:19,366
predict to a certain degree

685
01:15:19,566 --> 01:15:20,466
and obviously with huge

686
01:15:20,466 --> 01:15:21,266
amounts of assumptions

687
01:15:21,266 --> 01:15:22,133
on top of that in

688
01:15:22,133 --> 01:15:22,933
its current form,

689
01:15:23,633 --> 01:15:24,366
how our own brains

690
01:15:24,366 --> 01:15:25,300
and pathways would work

691
01:15:25,300 --> 01:15:26,833
in a similar scenario with a

692
01:15:26,833 --> 01:15:27,566
similar context,

693
01:15:27,566 --> 01:15:28,833
with a similar impact of

694
01:15:28,833 --> 01:15:30,566
whether it's emotion

695
01:15:30,966 --> 01:15:34,399
or to the extreme or war or

696
01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:35,333
something that--

697
01:15:35,733 --> 01:15:36,966
Or the environment even.

698
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:37,866
We can take it to the edges.

699
01:15:38,533 --> 01:15:39,666
This is the thing that people,

700
01:15:41,766 --> 01:15:42,933
we've spoken about this,

701
01:15:42,933 --> 01:15:44,133
whether it's on this show or

702
01:15:44,133 --> 01:15:44,966
even like before,

703
01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:46,366
that the similarities,

704
01:15:47,033 --> 01:15:49,733
we were saying things like,

705
01:15:50,166 --> 01:15:51,533
and when I say we, I mean

706
01:15:51,533 --> 01:15:53,533
society in the AI space,

707
01:15:53,566 --> 01:15:54,033
Just you and I.

708
01:15:54,066 --> 01:15:54,633
Just you and I.

709
01:15:54,633 --> 01:15:55,699
We're saying things,

710
01:15:56,199 --> 01:15:56,833
no, because this is the

711
01:15:56,833 --> 01:15:57,666
opposite, right?

712
01:15:57,733 --> 01:15:59,000
People were on average saying

713
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,533
these things that,

714
01:16:01,433 --> 01:16:02,866
hey, look how

715
01:16:02,866 --> 01:16:04,800
similar AI is to us.

716
01:16:05,166 --> 01:16:06,199
Look how similar AI

717
01:16:06,199 --> 01:16:07,233
is to the human brain

718
01:16:07,233 --> 01:16:07,933
and stuff like that.

719
01:16:07,933 --> 01:16:08,733
And it's like, hang on a

720
01:16:08,733 --> 01:16:09,833
second, flip the script,

721
01:16:10,433 --> 01:16:11,000
put the mirror

722
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:11,866
on the other side

723
01:16:11,866 --> 01:16:12,766
and you actually

724
01:16:12,766 --> 01:16:15,166
realize how similar we are

725
01:16:15,399 --> 01:16:16,266
to the way that this

726
01:16:16,266 --> 01:16:17,433
AI has been trained

727
01:16:17,433 --> 01:16:18,633
and we learn about ourselves.

728
01:16:18,633 --> 01:16:19,800
And what it does lead to is not

729
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,566
just like those edge cases

730
01:16:21,866 --> 01:16:24,100
or even insights into things we

731
01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:24,633
haven't thought about,

732
01:16:24,633 --> 01:16:25,666
but think about things like

733
01:16:25,666 --> 01:16:27,066
synthetic research.

734
01:16:27,366 --> 01:16:27,833
If you wanna get

735
01:16:27,833 --> 01:16:29,166
insights into customers,

736
01:16:29,166 --> 01:16:29,899
give the AI the

737
01:16:29,899 --> 01:16:31,766
persona of what you think

738
01:16:31,766 --> 01:16:33,933
are your custom bases and you

739
01:16:33,933 --> 01:16:35,133
can get insights into that

740
01:16:35,133 --> 01:16:35,466
and that's

741
01:16:35,466 --> 01:16:36,366
improving all the time.

742
01:16:36,366 --> 01:16:39,366
But also just insights into how

743
01:16:39,366 --> 01:16:41,566
people might think about,

744
01:16:41,566 --> 01:16:43,066
not just research

745
01:16:43,066 --> 01:16:43,933
and maybe your product

746
01:16:44,199 --> 01:16:47,633
or how they probably were using

747
01:16:47,633 --> 01:16:48,233
this kind of stuff

748
01:16:48,233 --> 01:16:49,566
for the US elections and stuff,

749
01:16:49,566 --> 01:16:50,266
but maybe they

750
01:16:50,266 --> 01:16:51,466
didn't get it quite right.

751
01:16:51,666 --> 01:16:52,633
Or even if they did

752
01:16:52,633 --> 01:16:53,399
have all this research,

753
01:16:53,399 --> 01:16:54,133
there was nothing that they

754
01:16:54,133 --> 01:16:55,066
could do about it, right?

755
01:16:55,066 --> 01:16:55,966
Like they just have to fight

756
01:16:55,966 --> 01:16:56,833
the fight that they did

757
01:16:57,233 --> 01:16:58,266
in terms of Democrats losing.

758
01:16:58,500 --> 01:16:59,833
But I think that there's a lot

759
01:16:59,833 --> 01:17:00,733
of insights here

760
01:17:00,866 --> 01:17:02,600
given the corpus of knowledge

761
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:03,600
that it's been trained on.

762
01:17:03,833 --> 01:17:04,833
So fascinating stuff.

763
01:17:05,233 --> 01:17:06,333
I think it's kind of similar to

764
01:17:06,333 --> 01:17:07,833
what you did recently

765
01:17:07,833 --> 01:17:08,800
where you were doing a little

766
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:09,766
predictive piece

767
01:17:10,033 --> 01:17:12,033
around what would happen

768
01:17:12,966 --> 01:17:14,133
if either party

769
01:17:14,133 --> 01:17:14,933
won the election

770
01:17:14,933 --> 01:17:16,600
or the impact of XYZ.

771
01:17:17,233 --> 01:17:18,633
So I'll show you that

772
01:17:18,633 --> 01:17:19,633
actually just quickly.

773
01:17:19,633 --> 01:17:21,233
So this is another video I did.

774
01:17:21,233 --> 01:17:22,866
I'm using Psyche here folks and

775
01:17:22,866 --> 01:17:23,800
what's happening

776
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,600
is that I actually

777
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:26,899
got the AI to go,

778
01:17:27,366 --> 01:17:28,466
okay, so here's Psyche coming

779
01:17:28,466 --> 01:17:29,466
up with some research

780
01:17:30,966 --> 01:17:33,066
and the music is from Suno,

781
01:17:33,066 --> 01:17:33,600
which we'll talk

782
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:34,433
about a little bit later.

783
01:17:35,133 --> 01:17:36,500
So I put in the prompt saying

784
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:37,100
like what happens

785
01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:39,233
if Donald Trump wins and we get

786
01:17:39,233 --> 01:17:41,500
to like a dystopian

787
01:17:41,866 --> 01:17:42,399
kind of future

788
01:17:42,399 --> 01:17:43,833
and you can see here

789
01:17:43,899 --> 01:17:45,433
that Psyche does his thinking.

790
01:17:45,733 --> 01:17:46,566
We had like a

791
01:17:46,566 --> 01:17:47,566
thinking kind of model,

792
01:17:47,566 --> 01:17:49,333
very similar in some ways to

793
01:17:49,333 --> 01:17:50,199
the chain of thought stuff

794
01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:52,333
that 01 is coming out with.

795
01:17:52,566 --> 01:17:53,566
Cause he just actually, it's

796
01:17:53,566 --> 01:17:54,366
just how you build it

797
01:17:54,366 --> 01:17:55,266
and string it together.

798
01:17:55,266 --> 01:17:56,466
We didn't definitely didn't do

799
01:17:56,466 --> 01:17:57,166
things the same way

800
01:17:57,166 --> 01:17:57,899
that they trained,

801
01:17:58,300 --> 01:17:59,133
but you can see here

802
01:17:59,133 --> 01:18:00,399
from asking a one question,

803
01:18:00,399 --> 01:18:01,300
it builds out all

804
01:18:01,300 --> 01:18:02,166
these various notes.

805
01:18:02,166 --> 01:18:03,833
I can click a document to see

806
01:18:03,833 --> 01:18:04,866
all of it on a page,

807
01:18:05,366 --> 01:18:07,066
but to be fair, I did it also

808
01:18:07,066 --> 01:18:09,100
for Kamala as well.

809
01:18:09,433 --> 01:18:10,766
And so like I did another one

810
01:18:10,766 --> 01:18:11,466
where I actually look

811
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,266
at what would happen if, even

812
01:18:13,266 --> 01:18:14,633
if Kamala got in

813
01:18:14,966 --> 01:18:16,633
and there is like a descent

814
01:18:16,633 --> 01:18:18,366
until I say hellish landscape

815
01:18:18,366 --> 01:18:18,833
with Trump

816
01:18:18,833 --> 01:18:19,933
supporters and stuff here,

817
01:18:20,899 --> 01:18:21,966
rallying against it.

818
01:18:21,966 --> 01:18:23,933
So that was interesting and

819
01:18:23,933 --> 01:18:25,733
people interested in that,

820
01:18:25,733 --> 01:18:27,566
they can see on LinkedIn, it's

821
01:18:27,566 --> 01:18:28,366
one of my latest posts.

822
01:18:28,766 --> 01:18:30,233
I also shared the document,

823
01:18:30,466 --> 01:18:31,366
like here's the Trump win

824
01:18:31,366 --> 01:18:32,866
scenario, Donald Trump wins.

825
01:18:33,833 --> 01:18:34,666
There's gonna be economic

826
01:18:34,666 --> 01:18:36,233
concerns, key events leading up

827
01:18:36,233 --> 01:18:37,600
to the election, but what's the

828
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:38,933
public reaction after?

829
01:18:39,333 --> 01:18:40,233
And the election

830
01:18:40,233 --> 01:18:41,733
aftermath, right?

831
01:18:42,166 --> 01:18:44,733
So like from a international

832
01:18:44,733 --> 01:18:46,233
and Australian perspective.

833
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,733
Did you buy any crypto before?

834
01:18:49,066 --> 01:18:50,100
I already had crypto bro.

835
01:18:50,366 --> 01:18:50,800
Yeah, but did you

836
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:51,766
buy any beforehand?

837
01:18:52,233 --> 01:18:53,333
Oh, like just before?

838
01:18:53,333 --> 01:18:55,733
Get the 15% spike from winning.

839
01:18:56,133 --> 01:18:57,333
I saw like 9% on the

840
01:18:57,333 --> 01:18:58,333
day, then another like,

841
01:18:58,566 --> 01:19:00,300
up to 15% and Bitcoin is at

842
01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:01,300
like all time highs

843
01:19:01,300 --> 01:19:02,800
as well as Ethereum.

844
01:19:03,066 --> 01:19:03,366
I don't know if

845
01:19:03,366 --> 01:19:04,399
Ethereum is all time highs,

846
01:19:04,399 --> 01:19:05,500
but it's up there.

847
01:19:05,766 --> 01:19:06,566
You've got a little boost of

848
01:19:06,566 --> 01:19:07,233
itself, but yeah.

849
01:19:07,266 --> 01:19:07,766
Definitely got a

850
01:19:07,766 --> 01:19:08,633
little boost and stuff,

851
01:19:08,666 --> 01:19:10,533
but I already had, I

852
01:19:10,533 --> 01:19:11,433
didn't buy any more.

853
01:19:11,966 --> 01:19:12,666
Maybe I should have,

854
01:19:12,666 --> 01:19:12,966
because that was

855
01:19:12,966 --> 01:19:14,399
like an easy win per se.

856
01:19:15,066 --> 01:19:16,533
But in any case.

857
01:19:16,766 --> 01:19:17,566
I ended up taking a

858
01:19:17,566 --> 01:19:18,333
whole bunch of ones out,

859
01:19:18,566 --> 01:19:20,233
two coins that I just had there

860
01:19:20,233 --> 01:19:20,833
sitting for a while

861
01:19:20,833 --> 01:19:21,333
and I pushed it

862
01:19:21,333 --> 01:19:21,833
all into Bitcoin.

863
01:19:22,066 --> 01:19:23,899
So I got a nice little bump in

864
01:19:23,899 --> 01:19:24,733
that just before.

865
01:19:24,966 --> 01:19:26,433
As I was seeing here, I'm like,

866
01:19:26,433 --> 01:19:26,933
Trump's gonna win.

867
01:19:27,166 --> 01:19:27,866
I'm just gonna push

868
01:19:27,866 --> 01:19:28,733
it all into Bitcoin.

869
01:19:29,433 --> 01:19:31,433
Trump Sinclair 2028.

870
01:19:31,833 --> 01:19:34,100
Anyway, but yeah, it's looking

871
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:35,399
at like trade and investment

872
01:19:35,766 --> 01:19:36,366
and how it would

873
01:19:36,366 --> 01:19:37,333
disrupt things,

874
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:38,100
what it could

875
01:19:38,100 --> 01:19:39,000
affect for Australia.

876
01:19:39,533 --> 01:19:40,866
Same thing for Kamala as well.

877
01:19:41,633 --> 01:19:42,566
What could happen?

878
01:19:42,833 --> 01:19:43,733
Trump supporters revolt,

879
01:19:44,233 --> 01:19:44,699
the hellish

880
01:19:44,699 --> 01:19:46,033
landscape that we get into,

881
01:19:46,366 --> 01:19:47,366
the global fallout

882
01:19:47,366 --> 01:19:48,633
and then what happens

883
01:19:48,633 --> 01:19:49,533
from an Australian perspective.

884
01:19:49,766 --> 01:19:50,933
But in reality, I mean, that

885
01:19:50,933 --> 01:19:51,766
was just the AI

886
01:19:52,300 --> 01:19:54,133
trained up until it was not

887
01:19:54,133 --> 01:19:55,266
looking at the internet

888
01:19:55,266 --> 01:19:56,566
or anything, just trained on

889
01:19:56,566 --> 01:19:57,733
its own kind of knowledge

890
01:19:57,899 --> 01:19:58,833
for the 4.0

891
01:19:58,833 --> 01:20:01,666
model, what it thought.

892
01:20:01,899 --> 01:20:03,466
But in reality, I think

893
01:20:03,466 --> 01:20:04,533
something that people

894
01:20:04,533 --> 01:20:05,100
are talking

895
01:20:05,100 --> 01:20:06,566
about is if tariffs,

896
01:20:06,966 --> 01:20:08,066
and sorry to get into politics

897
01:20:08,066 --> 01:20:09,100
folks and economics,

898
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:11,000
but if the US does go through

899
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,533
with a large lot of tariffs

900
01:20:12,533 --> 01:20:13,566
that they're talking about

901
01:20:13,566 --> 01:20:15,633
taxes on other countries

902
01:20:15,633 --> 01:20:17,300
like exports into the US,

903
01:20:17,766 --> 01:20:19,566
that could lead to negativity

904
01:20:19,866 --> 01:20:20,833
for one of our major trade

905
01:20:20,833 --> 01:20:21,533
partners, China.

906
01:20:21,766 --> 01:20:22,066
And if there's

907
01:20:22,066 --> 01:20:23,066
negativity for them,

908
01:20:23,933 --> 01:20:24,433
could that mean

909
01:20:24,433 --> 01:20:26,033
fallout downstream

910
01:20:26,266 --> 01:20:27,466
for Australian economics?

911
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:28,466
So we will see.

912
01:20:29,266 --> 01:20:32,666
The lack of understanding

913
01:20:33,133 --> 01:20:33,933
from a lot of the

914
01:20:33,933 --> 01:20:34,566
American people,

915
01:20:34,566 --> 01:20:35,433
particularly the Republicans

916
01:20:35,433 --> 01:20:36,333
around what happens

917
01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:37,233
if they put tariffs

918
01:20:37,233 --> 01:20:41,666
on China is hilarious.

919
01:20:42,666 --> 01:20:43,766
Like everyone's this,

920
01:20:43,766 --> 01:20:44,199
everyone's like,

921
01:20:44,199 --> 01:20:44,699
yes, we've got to

922
01:20:44,699 --> 01:20:45,633
put these tariffs on,

923
01:20:45,633 --> 01:20:46,366
we've got to do this,

924
01:20:46,366 --> 01:20:47,066
it's gonna give me gonna put

925
01:20:47,066 --> 01:20:47,733
China in its place.

926
01:20:48,066 --> 01:20:48,899
Not understanding

927
01:20:48,899 --> 01:20:49,966
the cost implications

928
01:20:50,633 --> 01:20:52,266
of all of the stuff that they

929
01:20:52,266 --> 01:20:53,500
get imported and exported.

930
01:20:53,500 --> 01:20:54,233
It's like they think that

931
01:20:54,233 --> 01:20:54,733
because they're

932
01:20:54,733 --> 01:20:55,266
gonna put tariffs

933
01:20:55,266 --> 01:20:57,533
or these extra taxes on these

934
01:20:57,533 --> 01:20:58,633
foreign or businesses

935
01:20:59,233 --> 01:21:01,266
that that's gonna be a big

936
01:21:01,266 --> 01:21:02,166
middle finger to them.

937
01:21:02,466 --> 01:21:03,266
It's like, cool, yeah, you're

938
01:21:03,266 --> 01:21:03,566
gonna put some

939
01:21:03,566 --> 01:21:04,100
pressure on them,

940
01:21:04,233 --> 01:21:05,366
but they're gonna pass that

941
01:21:05,366 --> 01:21:06,233
money downstream.

942
01:21:06,766 --> 01:21:07,333
You're gonna be the

943
01:21:07,333 --> 01:21:08,266
ones that get impacted.

944
01:21:08,633 --> 01:21:09,233
Maybe the wealthy

945
01:21:09,233 --> 01:21:10,633
people won't really care,

946
01:21:10,633 --> 01:21:12,166
but the middle class and lower,

947
01:21:12,566 --> 01:21:13,066
they're gonna see a

948
01:21:13,066 --> 01:21:14,233
huge rising cost of stuff

949
01:21:14,233 --> 01:21:14,566
that gets

950
01:21:14,566 --> 01:21:15,433
imported from overseas.

951
01:21:15,699 --> 01:21:16,600
Yeah, it's usually,

952
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:17,166
and whether it's like

953
01:21:17,166 --> 01:21:18,233
Democrats or Republicans

954
01:21:18,233 --> 01:21:19,266
or just anyone in

955
01:21:19,266 --> 01:21:19,933
any other country

956
01:21:19,933 --> 01:21:21,399
that just doesn't understand

957
01:21:21,399 --> 01:21:23,366
the supply chain

958
01:21:23,566 --> 01:21:24,633
and the

959
01:21:24,633 --> 01:21:25,966
connected kind of effects

960
01:21:26,333 --> 01:21:28,433
of doing a decision like that,

961
01:21:28,866 --> 01:21:32,466
I think it's definitely, well,

962
01:21:32,466 --> 01:21:32,966
not definitely,

963
01:21:33,533 --> 01:21:34,733
I think you're

964
01:21:34,733 --> 01:21:35,666
right that the folks

965
01:21:35,833 --> 01:21:36,966
that will not be affected.

966
01:21:36,966 --> 01:21:37,533
It's the same thing

967
01:21:37,533 --> 01:21:39,733
as when, for example,

968
01:21:40,433 --> 01:21:41,933
Jeff Bezos before,

969
01:21:42,866 --> 01:21:43,566
there's lost Bezos,

970
01:21:44,433 --> 01:21:45,866
Amazon guy, you know the one.

971
01:21:46,866 --> 01:21:49,666
He made a decision to have the

972
01:21:49,666 --> 01:21:50,433
Washington Post,

973
01:21:50,633 --> 01:21:51,633
the newspaper that he owns,

974
01:21:52,066 --> 01:21:53,433
not endorse one

975
01:21:53,433 --> 01:21:54,033
of the candidates

976
01:21:54,033 --> 01:21:54,699
since the first

977
01:21:54,699 --> 01:21:55,600
time they haven't

978
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:56,966
because usually newspapers do.

979
01:21:57,466 --> 01:21:58,466
Because of that, I think they

980
01:21:58,466 --> 01:22:00,033
lost 10% of readership.

981
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:01,800
Now that 10% of readership

982
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,033
doesn't affect him at all.

983
01:22:03,666 --> 01:22:04,766
He'll still be the billionaire.

984
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:06,566
It's gonna affect the business.

985
01:22:06,566 --> 01:22:07,166
It's gonna affect the

986
01:22:07,166 --> 01:22:08,066
people working there.

987
01:22:08,066 --> 01:22:08,766
It's gonna mean that

988
01:22:08,766 --> 01:22:10,533
people may lose jobs

989
01:22:10,666 --> 01:22:11,633
because there's just not enough

990
01:22:11,633 --> 01:22:12,533
money to go around.

991
01:22:12,966 --> 01:22:14,566
Is he going to support them?

992
01:22:14,866 --> 01:22:15,266
Who knows,

993
01:22:15,266 --> 01:22:16,433
maybe, but typically,

994
01:22:16,833 --> 01:22:18,766
the decisions of people that

995
01:22:18,766 --> 01:22:19,866
are typically unaffected,

996
01:22:19,866 --> 01:22:20,466
whether it's war,

997
01:22:21,066 --> 01:22:22,233
whether it's economic war

998
01:22:22,633 --> 01:22:24,899
or anything else, you're

999
01:22:24,899 --> 01:22:25,666
absolutely right.

1000
01:22:26,333 --> 01:22:30,233
So, AI maybe can help with this

1001
01:22:31,066 --> 01:22:31,966
with more understanding and

1002
01:22:31,966 --> 01:22:32,933
knowledge and stuff there.

1003
01:22:32,966 --> 01:22:35,633
But man, it's a crazy society.

1004
01:22:35,633 --> 01:22:36,066
It's funny how

1005
01:22:36,066 --> 01:22:37,266
people with so much power,

1006
01:22:37,666 --> 01:22:39,199
with a single work can bring

1007
01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:40,566
down a business.

1008
01:22:40,833 --> 01:22:41,533
You saw it with

1009
01:22:41,533 --> 01:22:43,000
the Kardashians,

1010
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,266
even if they could literally,

1011
01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:45,300
we're just saying one thing

1012
01:22:45,300 --> 01:22:46,199
about a particular

1013
01:22:46,199 --> 01:22:47,000
beauty product could

1014
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,100
crash into AI business.

1015
01:22:48,133 --> 01:22:48,833
How did sketches

1016
01:22:48,833 --> 01:22:50,266
become so popular?

1017
01:22:50,766 --> 01:22:50,966
Yeah.

1018
01:22:51,433 --> 01:22:51,866
I don't know if you used it.

1019
01:22:51,866 --> 01:22:52,733
I've endorsed it or whatever.

1020
01:22:52,733 --> 01:22:53,133
A while back, it

1021
01:22:53,133 --> 01:22:55,733
was MKPH, MKPHD.

1022
01:22:55,933 --> 01:22:57,633
He did a review on--

1023
01:22:57,633 --> 01:22:58,266
Was it the car?

1024
01:22:58,533 --> 01:22:59,500
That little AI--

1025
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:00,300
Rabbit.

1026
01:23:00,333 --> 01:23:01,233
Rabbit phone.

1027
01:23:01,233 --> 01:23:02,166
Yeah, Rabbit R1.

1028
01:23:02,566 --> 01:23:03,699
Rightfully so, and the whole,

1029
01:23:03,699 --> 01:23:04,500
I mean the whole of

1030
01:23:04,500 --> 01:23:05,899
YouTube and all this,

1031
01:23:06,433 --> 01:23:07,133
influencers were saying it was

1032
01:23:07,133 --> 01:23:08,066
such a terrible advice.

1033
01:23:09,166 --> 01:23:11,833
But the broader community

1034
01:23:11,833 --> 01:23:13,766
started to slam him

1035
01:23:13,766 --> 01:23:14,500
for that review

1036
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:16,066
because he essentially,

1037
01:23:16,466 --> 01:23:19,100
with his lack, well, not

1038
01:23:19,100 --> 01:23:20,533
promotion of the tool,

1039
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:21,333
pretty much

1040
01:23:21,333 --> 01:23:22,166
they're blaming that

1041
01:23:22,166 --> 01:23:22,733
for the sinking

1042
01:23:22,733 --> 01:23:23,433
of the platform.

1043
01:23:23,433 --> 01:23:24,733
And everyone's, most

1044
01:23:24,733 --> 01:23:25,733
viewers saw through it

1045
01:23:25,733 --> 01:23:26,399
with that bullshit,

1046
01:23:26,399 --> 01:23:27,399
but it is interesting

1047
01:23:27,633 --> 01:23:29,133
to understand for

1048
01:23:29,133 --> 01:23:30,100
someone so popular

1049
01:23:30,333 --> 01:23:31,033
and has such an

1050
01:23:31,033 --> 01:23:32,233
influence in that market,

1051
01:23:32,300 --> 01:23:33,500
he has to say, "Now

1052
01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:34,233
this is horrible."

1053
01:23:34,233 --> 01:23:35,066
And Borm, that would be it.

1054
01:23:35,199 --> 01:23:36,133
No sales for that product.

1055
01:23:36,466 --> 01:23:37,666
Yeah, it is crazy

1056
01:23:37,666 --> 01:23:38,866
on the one hand.

1057
01:23:39,233 --> 01:23:40,300
On the other hand,

1058
01:23:41,866 --> 01:23:42,933
it would be crazy if

1059
01:23:42,933 --> 01:23:44,033
there's a good product

1060
01:23:44,199 --> 01:23:45,766
and someone just rightfully--

1061
01:23:46,433 --> 01:23:47,800
Yeah, just says it's terrible.

1062
01:23:48,033 --> 01:23:49,466
Incorrectly says some terrible

1063
01:23:49,466 --> 01:23:50,333
things about it.

1064
01:23:50,566 --> 01:23:51,500
But it's hard to

1065
01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:52,666
argue with when

1066
01:23:53,133 --> 01:23:53,699
the rest of the

1067
01:23:53,699 --> 01:23:54,766
community supports it.

1068
01:23:55,100 --> 01:23:56,566
I could see, but on that,

1069
01:23:56,566 --> 01:23:57,100
I was worried

1070
01:23:57,100 --> 01:23:58,333
going down that path

1071
01:23:58,433 --> 01:24:01,866
that someone could potentially,

1072
01:24:01,866 --> 01:24:02,333
now I don't have

1073
01:24:02,333 --> 01:24:03,066
something for this,

1074
01:24:03,533 --> 01:24:04,600
someone could potentially just

1075
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,166
going off on that note there,

1076
01:24:06,633 --> 01:24:07,566
if you've got a good product

1077
01:24:07,566 --> 01:24:08,866
and there's someone who

1078
01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:09,833
is like in that

1079
01:24:09,833 --> 01:24:10,899
kind of line of power,

1080
01:24:10,899 --> 01:24:13,033
MKBHD, Linus Tech Tips, whoever

1081
01:24:13,033 --> 01:24:14,333
is big in that space,

1082
01:24:14,833 --> 01:24:15,566
says something

1083
01:24:15,566 --> 01:24:16,433
negative about it

1084
01:24:16,433 --> 01:24:17,600
and it tanks what you're doing

1085
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,399
and it's not right, right?

1086
01:24:21,300 --> 01:24:22,766
I was worried that people would

1087
01:24:22,766 --> 01:24:23,500
not call that out

1088
01:24:23,500 --> 01:24:24,666
in the community, but the thing

1089
01:24:24,666 --> 01:24:26,399
is MKBHD put out,

1090
01:24:26,533 --> 01:24:28,133
as popular as he is, put out a

1091
01:24:28,133 --> 01:24:30,266
product that missed the mark.

1092
01:24:30,566 --> 01:24:31,133
I know it was an

1093
01:24:31,133 --> 01:24:32,033
AI product and stuff

1094
01:24:32,033 --> 01:24:33,500
and he got called out for it.

1095
01:24:33,500 --> 01:24:35,533
So it's great to see that

1096
01:24:35,533 --> 01:24:36,433
people did that.

1097
01:24:36,766 --> 01:24:38,033
I'm not grateful that

1098
01:24:38,033 --> 01:24:39,133
he's made a mistake.

1099
01:24:39,133 --> 01:24:40,266
It's a shame and stuff there

1100
01:24:40,266 --> 01:24:41,333
and he's definitely learning a

1101
01:24:41,333 --> 01:24:42,000
lesson from that,

1102
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,800
but it shows that people will

1103
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:44,766
call stuff out.

1104
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:45,633
Oh, 100% there.

1105
01:24:45,866 --> 01:24:46,399
Even if they're big.

1106
01:24:46,566 --> 01:24:47,333
They have to, I

1107
01:24:47,333 --> 01:24:47,866
mean, look at that.

1108
01:24:48,399 --> 01:24:49,266
I mean, you can see it even

1109
01:24:49,266 --> 01:24:50,133
when Apple launched

1110
01:24:50,166 --> 01:24:51,233
their latest iPhone,

1111
01:24:52,566 --> 01:24:53,366
pretty much every--

1112
01:24:53,366 --> 01:24:54,033
It's the other iPhone?

1113
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,033
Every tech reviewer pretty much

1114
01:24:57,033 --> 01:24:57,533
called them out.

1115
01:24:57,566 --> 01:24:58,133
They had painted it.

1116
01:24:58,433 --> 01:24:59,566
You've talked about AI, you've

1117
01:24:59,566 --> 01:25:00,166
released a product

1118
01:25:00,166 --> 01:25:02,100
that doesn't have any AI in it.

1119
01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:03,366
Like why have you done this?

1120
01:25:04,266 --> 01:25:04,666
Obviously they--

1121
01:25:04,699 --> 01:25:05,433
Why you do this?

1122
01:25:05,466 --> 01:25:06,366
Apple wanted to do it because

1123
01:25:06,366 --> 01:25:06,966
they wanted to make sure

1124
01:25:06,966 --> 01:25:08,033
they got the, you

1125
01:25:08,033 --> 01:25:08,666
know, they get it right.

1126
01:25:08,933 --> 01:25:10,266
They don't like to release shit

1127
01:25:10,266 --> 01:25:10,899
house products.

1128
01:25:11,666 --> 01:25:13,566
But in releasing it, they had

1129
01:25:13,566 --> 01:25:14,600
really bad sales

1130
01:25:14,933 --> 01:25:16,500
in their initial launch of the,

1131
01:25:16,500 --> 01:25:16,866
the probably one

1132
01:25:16,866 --> 01:25:18,066
of their worst sales

1133
01:25:18,066 --> 01:25:19,366
they've had since for a while,

1134
01:25:19,366 --> 01:25:20,199
if you look back at the

1135
01:25:20,199 --> 01:25:21,066
previous iPhone models

1136
01:25:21,066 --> 01:25:21,633
when they launched

1137
01:25:21,633 --> 01:25:23,833
and it is because of,

1138
01:25:24,233 --> 01:25:26,133
you know, the tech community

1139
01:25:26,133 --> 01:25:27,433
slamming them for it,

1140
01:25:27,433 --> 01:25:28,266
all the listeners were like,

1141
01:25:28,266 --> 01:25:29,133
okay, well, I don't want it.

1142
01:25:29,133 --> 01:25:29,966
There's no difference. There's lessons there.

1143
01:25:29,966 --> 01:25:30,966
I don't want my AI thing.

1144
01:25:31,033 --> 01:25:31,866
There's lessons there folks.

1145
01:25:32,133 --> 01:25:33,933
Like even if you're big and you

1146
01:25:33,933 --> 01:25:34,733
have the market,

1147
01:25:34,733 --> 01:25:36,033
you still have to continue to

1148
01:25:36,033 --> 01:25:37,500
act in a good way.

1149
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:38,566
Anyway, do you want

1150
01:25:38,566 --> 01:25:39,433
to jump to something?

1151
01:25:39,466 --> 01:25:40,533
Yeah, well, I'm sticking with

1152
01:25:40,533 --> 01:25:41,333
the election stuff.

1153
01:25:41,333 --> 01:25:41,933
It was like, I thought it was

1154
01:25:41,933 --> 01:25:42,433
really interesting.

1155
01:25:42,433 --> 01:25:44,666
You mentioned the impacts of

1156
01:25:44,666 --> 01:25:45,300
businesses like,

1157
01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:46,633
or people like Kamala Harris

1158
01:25:46,633 --> 01:25:48,166
and Trump or what happened.

1159
01:25:48,199 --> 01:25:49,166
And Vice President Musk.

1160
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:50,399
Now we've got Mr. Vice

1161
01:25:50,399 --> 01:25:51,533
President Musk.

1162
01:25:52,199 --> 01:25:53,566
Obviously he let out,

1163
01:25:53,766 --> 01:25:54,833
which people are still

1164
01:25:54,833 --> 01:25:55,666
questioning as illegal

1165
01:25:55,666 --> 01:25:56,066
that million

1166
01:25:56,066 --> 01:25:57,833
dollars to the voters,

1167
01:25:58,566 --> 01:25:59,833
which I think he did announce

1168
01:25:59,833 --> 01:26:00,566
and someone said

1169
01:26:00,566 --> 01:26:01,233
win that money,

1170
01:26:01,466 --> 01:26:02,699
but don't know if you're

1171
01:26:02,699 --> 01:26:03,533
supposed to be able to do that.

1172
01:26:03,566 --> 01:26:04,166
Yeah, not sure.

1173
01:26:04,533 --> 01:26:05,133
This is an interesting

1174
01:26:05,133 --> 01:26:06,766
article on TechCrunch

1175
01:26:08,166 --> 01:26:10,066
looking at, I guess, what's the

1176
01:26:10,066 --> 01:26:11,533
impact on his business.

1177
01:26:12,133 --> 01:26:12,933
And here's, you know,

1178
01:26:12,933 --> 01:26:13,866
one of the reasons he was

1179
01:26:13,866 --> 01:26:15,666
backing Trump in

1180
01:26:15,666 --> 01:26:16,466
the first place.

1181
01:26:16,966 --> 01:26:18,333
And so there's a huge,

1182
01:26:18,633 --> 01:26:20,233
obviously, you know,

1183
01:26:20,266 --> 01:26:21,533
kind of a huge benefit

1184
01:26:21,533 --> 01:26:22,566
to a lot of the stories

1185
01:26:22,566 --> 01:26:23,766
he's been telling recently.

1186
01:26:23,766 --> 01:26:25,266
When it comes to his EVs,

1187
01:26:25,933 --> 01:26:27,166
when it comes to his,

1188
01:26:27,833 --> 01:26:28,500
the amount of spending

1189
01:26:28,500 --> 01:26:29,466
that the government has

1190
01:26:29,566 --> 01:26:32,699
against all the whole

1191
01:26:32,699 --> 01:26:33,566
technology sector,

1192
01:26:33,866 --> 01:26:35,899
when it comes to EVs, cabs,

1193
01:26:36,733 --> 01:26:39,266
robotics, obviously, SpaceX,

1194
01:26:39,966 --> 01:26:40,933
and all that investment is

1195
01:26:40,933 --> 01:26:42,233
gonna massively change,

1196
01:26:42,233 --> 01:26:42,733
which is great.

1197
01:26:43,266 --> 01:26:44,166
I know Biden put in a whole

1198
01:26:44,166 --> 01:26:45,533
bunch of EV mandates,

1199
01:26:46,433 --> 01:26:48,666
taxes, road

1200
01:26:48,666 --> 01:26:49,733
policies, et cetera.

1201
01:26:50,466 --> 01:26:52,800
The idea is that Trump is gonna

1202
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,166
be looking to remove those,

1203
01:26:54,166 --> 01:26:55,466
which will have a huge impact

1204
01:26:55,466 --> 01:26:56,333
and benefit on,

1205
01:26:56,633 --> 01:26:58,733
I guess, EVs on the roads

1206
01:26:58,733 --> 01:26:59,433
within the States.

1207
01:27:00,466 --> 01:27:01,433
They're accelerating their

1208
01:27:01,433 --> 01:27:03,266
whole space X missions to Mars.

1209
01:27:03,266 --> 01:27:03,933
So putting more

1210
01:27:03,933 --> 01:27:05,533
investment into a government,

1211
01:27:05,633 --> 01:27:06,399
specifically putting more

1212
01:27:06,399 --> 01:27:07,066
investment into

1213
01:27:07,066 --> 01:27:08,066
space exploration,

1214
01:27:08,399 --> 01:27:09,133
which is kind of contradictory

1215
01:27:09,133 --> 01:27:10,233
because I think previously

1216
01:27:10,233 --> 01:27:12,066
Trump's been

1217
01:27:12,066 --> 01:27:12,966
quite against that.

1218
01:27:13,899 --> 01:27:14,300
Against space?

1219
01:27:14,633 --> 01:27:15,266
Not against space,

1220
01:27:15,266 --> 01:27:16,166
but not putting as much

1221
01:27:16,166 --> 01:27:18,399
investment as previous

1222
01:27:18,399 --> 01:27:20,100
presidents have.

1223
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:21,466
So that's interesting.

1224
01:27:21,466 --> 01:27:22,933
So I think Musk has had

1225
01:27:22,933 --> 01:27:24,233
obviously a big influence now

1226
01:27:24,233 --> 01:27:25,933
on technology and influencing

1227
01:27:25,933 --> 01:27:27,333
some of Trump's policies.

1228
01:27:28,566 --> 01:27:31,300
X and AI, so obviously he has a

1229
01:27:31,300 --> 01:27:33,266
huge influence on Musk,

1230
01:27:33,266 --> 01:27:34,433
owning X and has

1231
01:27:34,433 --> 01:27:35,366
his company Grok.

1232
01:27:35,699 --> 01:27:36,633
So more exploration,

1233
01:27:36,633 --> 01:27:37,566
investment, and considerations

1234
01:27:37,866 --> 01:27:38,833
into how they support those

1235
01:27:38,833 --> 01:27:39,733
businesses and AI

1236
01:27:40,133 --> 01:27:40,933
and growth

1237
01:27:40,933 --> 01:27:42,233
within both, I guess,

1238
01:27:42,233 --> 01:27:43,000
the local market and

1239
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:43,966
international market.

1240
01:27:43,966 --> 01:27:44,566
And obviously then

1241
01:27:44,566 --> 01:27:46,133
Trump is very pro

1242
01:27:46,533 --> 01:27:48,133
on this whole tariff

1243
01:27:48,133 --> 01:27:49,766
thing against China,

1244
01:27:49,966 --> 01:27:50,466
particularly on a

1245
01:27:50,466 --> 01:27:51,633
technology space

1246
01:27:51,633 --> 01:27:53,199
to try and pull that technology

1247
01:27:53,199 --> 01:27:55,033
growth back into the US.

1248
01:27:55,866 --> 01:27:57,533
So he has a huge impact on that

1249
01:27:57,533 --> 01:27:58,866
thinking as well.

1250
01:27:58,866 --> 01:27:59,633
So a lot of stuff,

1251
01:28:00,066 --> 01:28:00,833
interesting read.

1252
01:28:00,833 --> 01:28:01,466
I recommend anyone

1253
01:28:01,466 --> 01:28:02,600
who's interested in,

1254
01:28:02,933 --> 01:28:04,166
who wants to know more about

1255
01:28:04,166 --> 01:28:06,166
the impacts on technology

1256
01:28:07,333 --> 01:28:08,733
with the Trump administration.

1257
01:28:09,466 --> 01:28:10,166
It's definitely an interesting

1258
01:28:10,166 --> 01:28:10,933
read here to see,

1259
01:28:10,933 --> 01:28:12,300
just from a Tesla's point of

1260
01:28:12,300 --> 01:28:13,233
view, what's gonna happen.

1261
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:15,833
Fantastic, and Elon to me is

1262
01:28:15,833 --> 01:28:17,800
definitely a Lord business.

1263
01:28:19,033 --> 01:28:19,866
If you guys don't

1264
01:28:19,866 --> 01:28:21,166
know, Lego movie,

1265
01:28:21,166 --> 01:28:21,733
definitely check that

1266
01:28:21,733 --> 01:28:23,166
out, very important.

1267
01:28:23,633 --> 01:28:24,699
I feel like Elon has become the

1268
01:28:24,699 --> 01:28:25,266
sort of the Trump

1269
01:28:25,266 --> 01:28:26,199
of the technology world.

1270
01:28:26,199 --> 01:28:27,066
It's like he can say

1271
01:28:27,066 --> 01:28:28,266
pretty much anything,

1272
01:28:28,933 --> 01:28:31,366
even if it's a bit special

1273
01:28:31,899 --> 01:28:33,266
and somehow still

1274
01:28:33,266 --> 01:28:34,066
comes out on top.

1275
01:28:35,133 --> 01:28:36,533
Yeah, it's crazy.

1276
01:28:36,966 --> 01:28:38,233
And there's research into that.

1277
01:28:38,466 --> 01:28:40,166
Like some people may

1278
01:28:40,166 --> 01:28:42,500
absolutely hate him.

1279
01:28:42,500 --> 01:28:43,666
Some people absolutely love him

1280
01:28:43,666 --> 01:28:45,500
yet, you know, yeah.

1281
01:28:45,899 --> 01:28:47,033
And in any case, who

1282
01:28:47,033 --> 01:28:47,566
am I talking about?

1283
01:28:47,933 --> 01:28:49,266
Trump or Musk, who knows?

1284
01:28:49,266 --> 01:28:50,166
I'm a genius, yeah, exactly.

1285
01:28:50,833 --> 01:28:51,133
Definitely not

1286
01:28:51,133 --> 01:28:51,666
talking about Trump

1287
01:28:51,666 --> 01:28:52,533
when it comes to my genius

1288
01:28:52,533 --> 01:28:55,233
stuff, but you know, not.

1289
01:28:55,333 --> 01:28:55,866
Ain't that the truth?

1290
01:28:56,066 --> 01:28:56,466
I mean, just

1291
01:28:56,466 --> 01:28:57,466
compared to Musk and stuff,

1292
01:28:57,466 --> 01:29:00,333
Musk is, yeah, he is

1293
01:29:00,333 --> 01:29:02,733
the modern day Iron Man,

1294
01:29:02,733 --> 01:29:03,166
it feels like,

1295
01:29:03,500 --> 01:29:04,166
what do you got next?

1296
01:29:04,333 --> 01:29:05,133
Speaking about largest

1297
01:29:05,133 --> 01:29:06,266
companies in the world,

1298
01:29:06,266 --> 01:29:10,033
Nvidia has taken the,

1299
01:29:10,333 --> 01:29:11,433
I guess, taken over,

1300
01:29:12,133 --> 01:29:13,199
has hit an all time high.

1301
01:29:13,633 --> 01:29:14,899
So they have just surpassed

1302
01:29:14,899 --> 01:29:16,433
Apple, oh, absolutely.

1303
01:29:17,633 --> 01:29:18,100
I don't know how

1304
01:29:18,100 --> 01:29:18,966
long that's gonna last.

1305
01:29:18,966 --> 01:29:19,600
In terms of?

1306
01:29:19,633 --> 01:29:22,033
In terms of market cap.

1307
01:29:22,466 --> 01:29:22,666
Wow.

1308
01:29:22,966 --> 01:29:23,800
Yeah, in terms of

1309
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:24,966
evaluation and market.

1310
01:29:24,966 --> 01:29:25,933
So they've passed

1311
01:29:25,933 --> 01:29:29,466
3.43 trillion dollars,

1312
01:29:30,399 --> 01:29:31,933
topping Apple, who's at 3.38.

1313
01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:35,233
So they are now the most highly

1314
01:29:35,233 --> 01:29:37,166
valued company in the world.

1315
01:29:37,566 --> 01:29:37,800
Jesus.

1316
01:29:38,066 --> 01:29:40,133
Topping out Microsoft, Amazon,

1317
01:29:40,933 --> 01:29:42,133
all the big players out there,

1318
01:29:42,133 --> 01:29:42,433
which I just

1319
01:29:42,433 --> 01:29:42,966
thought was interesting,

1320
01:29:42,966 --> 01:29:43,966
because previously there's been

1321
01:29:43,966 --> 01:29:44,633
a bit of a slump

1322
01:29:45,333 --> 01:29:46,533
and what's been happening in AI

1323
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:47,066
and there was

1324
01:29:47,066 --> 01:29:49,933
questions around the worth

1325
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:53,433
of Nvidia's share price, but it

1326
01:29:53,433 --> 01:29:54,833
doesn't seem to be tanking

1327
01:29:54,833 --> 01:29:55,866
as much as people thought.

1328
01:29:55,933 --> 01:29:56,766
That was crazy, like,

1329
01:29:56,766 --> 01:29:58,233
oh, we've hit a peak.

1330
01:29:58,233 --> 01:29:59,033
Like, look how far

1331
01:29:59,033 --> 01:29:59,933
they've come and stuff

1332
01:29:59,933 --> 01:30:01,466
and like, it's not that good

1333
01:30:01,466 --> 01:30:02,633
and hang on a second.

1334
01:30:02,633 --> 01:30:03,699
I know, it's going up again.

1335
01:30:03,966 --> 01:30:05,533
Time folks, like it's crazy to

1336
01:30:05,533 --> 01:30:08,233
bet against technology.

1337
01:30:08,266 --> 01:30:08,566
Exactly right.

1338
01:30:08,566 --> 01:30:09,366
Like it's a bet against

1339
01:30:09,366 --> 01:30:10,666
technology, it feels like.

1340
01:30:11,733 --> 01:30:12,933
You know, I think

1341
01:30:12,933 --> 01:30:13,899
there's one direction

1342
01:30:15,033 --> 01:30:16,566
that you know that AI

1343
01:30:16,566 --> 01:30:18,233
is likely gonna go in

1344
01:30:18,233 --> 01:30:19,066
and it's forward.

1345
01:30:19,533 --> 01:30:20,833
And I think it's, yeah, it's

1346
01:30:20,833 --> 01:30:22,866
definitely not down.

1347
01:30:23,399 --> 01:30:24,833
No, no, not anytime soon.

1348
01:30:24,866 --> 01:30:25,966
Particularly with, I think with

1349
01:30:25,966 --> 01:30:26,666
all the policies

1350
01:30:26,666 --> 01:30:27,233
that are potentially

1351
01:30:27,233 --> 01:30:28,233
gonna be put in place

1352
01:30:28,300 --> 01:30:28,899
within the Trump

1353
01:30:28,899 --> 01:30:29,399
administration,

1354
01:30:29,399 --> 01:30:29,966
it's only gonna

1355
01:30:29,966 --> 01:30:30,966
go up higher now,

1356
01:30:31,366 --> 01:30:32,133
especially with Elon.

1357
01:30:32,666 --> 01:30:33,100
Absolutely.

1358
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:35,233
A secondary mischiever.

1359
01:30:35,233 --> 01:30:35,333
A Lord of

1360
01:30:35,333 --> 01:30:36,633
Saviour, Lord Business.

1361
01:30:37,133 --> 01:30:37,666
Lord Business.

1362
01:30:39,333 --> 01:30:41,566
OpenAI just recently purchased

1363
01:30:42,233 --> 01:30:43,966
Chat.com. Chapter, which was...

1364
01:30:44,833 --> 01:30:45,833
Was that a dating site?

1365
01:30:45,833 --> 01:30:46,733
It sounds like it was.

1366
01:30:47,533 --> 01:30:48,833
It was owned previously, it

1367
01:30:48,833 --> 01:30:49,733
says here in the article,

1368
01:30:49,733 --> 01:30:50,166
again, we're on

1369
01:30:50,166 --> 01:30:50,899
TechCrunch here.

1370
01:30:50,899 --> 01:30:52,166
It was owned by...

1371
01:30:52,866 --> 01:30:54,366
Some dude in the hills.

1372
01:30:54,466 --> 01:30:55,300
Yeah, someone else.

1373
01:30:55,500 --> 01:30:55,966
And then they've

1374
01:30:55,966 --> 01:30:56,633
bought it off them

1375
01:30:56,733 --> 01:30:58,633
for an undisclosed amount.

1376
01:30:59,266 --> 01:30:59,466
A buck.

1377
01:30:59,566 --> 01:31:00,466
Yeah, so HubSpot

1378
01:31:00,466 --> 01:31:01,600
co-founder and CTO,

1379
01:31:02,066 --> 01:31:03,266
Damesh Shah had previously

1380
01:31:03,266 --> 01:31:04,466
acquired Chat.com

1381
01:31:04,466 --> 01:31:06,366
for $15.5 million.

1382
01:31:07,066 --> 01:31:08,533
Yeah, I definitely think OpenAI

1383
01:31:08,533 --> 01:31:09,600
paid a lot more.

1384
01:31:09,633 --> 01:31:10,500
Yeah, for sure.

1385
01:31:11,066 --> 01:31:12,066
Yeah, anyway, so the...

1386
01:31:12,666 --> 01:31:15,566
I'm thinking they might link

1387
01:31:15,566 --> 01:31:18,566
that into chatgbt.com

1388
01:31:18,566 --> 01:31:19,233
and just have

1389
01:31:19,233 --> 01:31:19,966
some sort of reader.

1390
01:31:20,133 --> 01:31:20,933
I mean, smart move

1391
01:31:20,933 --> 01:31:21,566
if that's the case,

1392
01:31:21,633 --> 01:31:23,066
that's just gonna, it's such a

1393
01:31:23,066 --> 01:31:23,766
good domain name.

1394
01:31:23,766 --> 01:31:23,966
We should come up with

1395
01:31:23,966 --> 01:31:25,366
something called thechat.com.

1396
01:31:25,500 --> 01:31:26,466
Thechat.com, I'm

1397
01:31:26,466 --> 01:31:27,266
sure that is a thing.

1398
01:31:28,233 --> 01:31:28,600
So that was an

1399
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:29,100
interesting thing.

1400
01:31:29,100 --> 01:31:30,266
And I just wanted to pull it

1401
01:31:30,266 --> 01:31:31,066
into the OpenAI

1402
01:31:31,066 --> 01:31:32,233
and back into elections.

1403
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,433
And what were you using to

1404
01:31:35,433 --> 01:31:36,166
monitor your elections?

1405
01:31:36,466 --> 01:31:37,233
As I pull this up here.

1406
01:31:38,733 --> 01:31:39,399
Good, good questions.

1407
01:31:39,766 --> 01:31:41,833
I was watching a whole lot of,

1408
01:31:43,033 --> 01:31:43,633
let's just say it

1409
01:31:43,633 --> 01:31:45,100
was like ABC News,

1410
01:31:45,899 --> 01:31:47,566
going to CNN and seeing Fox

1411
01:31:47,566 --> 01:31:48,666
Arturo was with me

1412
01:31:48,666 --> 01:31:49,266
in the office.

1413
01:31:49,266 --> 01:31:50,266
And so we were both like

1414
01:31:50,266 --> 01:31:51,066
watching a little bit

1415
01:31:51,066 --> 01:31:51,833
at the same time

1416
01:31:51,833 --> 01:31:53,733
doing a crap load of work

1417
01:31:53,733 --> 01:31:54,600
because there's just so much

1418
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:55,899
that we got going on.

1419
01:31:57,033 --> 01:31:58,933
I did go to like Google to see

1420
01:31:58,933 --> 01:31:59,866
some of the stuff

1421
01:31:59,866 --> 01:32:00,699
that's going on there.

1422
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:02,166
Not so much

1423
01:32:02,166 --> 01:32:03,466
looking into the history,

1424
01:32:03,466 --> 01:32:04,566
apart from what I showed you

1425
01:32:04,566 --> 01:32:05,433
before with Psych

1426
01:32:05,833 --> 01:32:07,600
in terms of like using AI to

1427
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:08,366
imagine scenarios

1428
01:32:08,833 --> 01:32:09,566
and all that kind of stuff.

1429
01:32:09,966 --> 01:32:11,199
But in terms of the analysis,

1430
01:32:11,566 --> 01:32:12,800
it was more just like watching.

1431
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:13,966
I didn't really use any AI

1432
01:32:13,966 --> 01:32:15,166
tools to ask questions.

1433
01:32:15,500 --> 01:32:16,533
Like, I guess

1434
01:32:16,533 --> 01:32:17,533
you've got here on screen

1435
01:32:17,666 --> 01:32:18,933
with the perplexity and stuff.

1436
01:32:19,133 --> 01:32:19,833
What did you do?

1437
01:32:20,066 --> 01:32:20,966
I was in perplexity.

1438
01:32:20,966 --> 01:32:21,866
I was very surprised.

1439
01:32:21,866 --> 01:32:22,933
I mean, obviously

1440
01:32:22,933 --> 01:32:24,266
perplexity is mimicking

1441
01:32:24,266 --> 01:32:25,166
as close to possible

1442
01:32:25,166 --> 01:32:26,899
that it is a rag model.

1443
01:32:27,666 --> 01:32:29,033
It is almost a

1444
01:32:29,033 --> 01:32:29,800
search replacement.

1445
01:32:30,833 --> 01:32:31,600
But I was in here.

1446
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:32,933
I thought like, and a lot of

1447
01:32:32,933 --> 01:32:33,533
articles have come out

1448
01:32:33,533 --> 01:32:34,566
and said, I think perplexity

1449
01:32:34,566 --> 01:32:35,466
was winning in this space

1450
01:32:35,766 --> 01:32:38,633
in terms of AI or AI platforms

1451
01:32:39,133 --> 01:32:39,766
keeping people

1452
01:32:39,766 --> 01:32:40,566
in this ecosystem.

1453
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:41,966
I think they did a great job.

1454
01:32:42,833 --> 01:32:44,399
I was getting a bit frustrated

1455
01:32:44,399 --> 01:32:45,633
even with Google's experience

1456
01:32:45,633 --> 01:32:46,633
having to click through a few

1457
01:32:46,633 --> 01:32:47,333
too many things.

1458
01:32:47,366 --> 01:32:48,600
Whereas perplexity, you just

1459
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:50,533
looked up US election

1460
01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:51,800
and there was

1461
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:52,433
plenty of links here.

1462
01:32:52,433 --> 01:32:53,066
I can give an example.

1463
01:32:53,433 --> 01:32:54,199
I'll go back to home.

1464
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:55,633
Sure, go ahead.

1465
01:32:56,666 --> 01:32:57,433
And you just type in.

1466
01:32:57,433 --> 01:32:58,333
So I typed in US

1467
01:32:58,333 --> 01:33:01,633
election, 2024.

1468
01:33:03,366 --> 01:33:04,100
Gives you lots of

1469
01:33:04,100 --> 01:33:05,433
insights, key summaries.

1470
01:33:06,399 --> 01:33:07,366
Oh, someone's

1471
01:33:07,366 --> 01:33:08,433
got pro search on.

1472
01:33:08,699 --> 01:33:09,266
Here's your answer.

1473
01:33:09,466 --> 01:33:10,133
And even you can

1474
01:33:10,133 --> 01:33:10,933
then view the election.

1475
01:33:12,033 --> 01:33:14,266
So, and I was able to sit here

1476
01:33:14,266 --> 01:33:15,333
and watch the whole election as

1477
01:33:15,333 --> 01:33:16,000
we're turning over.

1478
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:17,033
I was in a couple of meetings

1479
01:33:17,033 --> 01:33:17,766
throughout the day.

1480
01:33:18,066 --> 01:33:18,866
Always got perplexity

1481
01:33:18,866 --> 01:33:19,533
on in the background

1482
01:33:19,533 --> 01:33:20,766
as I'm doing search and asking

1483
01:33:20,766 --> 01:33:22,233
queries about things.

1484
01:33:23,066 --> 01:33:24,466
Like my Google usage is

1485
01:33:24,466 --> 01:33:25,500
declining rapidly.

1486
01:33:25,766 --> 01:33:26,733
So I was very impressed with

1487
01:33:26,733 --> 01:33:28,633
how perplexity was operating.

1488
01:33:29,399 --> 01:33:31,733
On the topic of search though,

1489
01:33:31,966 --> 01:33:33,000
we have open AI

1490
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:34,199
who just released

1491
01:33:34,933 --> 01:33:35,933
their search model

1492
01:33:35,933 --> 01:33:37,133
last couple of weeks.

1493
01:33:37,766 --> 01:33:38,133
Rolling slowly

1494
01:33:38,133 --> 01:33:39,000
out for many people,

1495
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:40,100
but now I think it's out for

1496
01:33:40,100 --> 01:33:40,966
pretty much everyone.

1497
01:33:41,733 --> 01:33:42,533
Have you used it much yet?

1498
01:33:42,566 --> 01:33:42,800
I have.

1499
01:33:42,966 --> 01:33:43,433
I was actually just

1500
01:33:43,433 --> 01:33:44,933
gonna do a quick cut.

1501
01:33:44,933 --> 01:33:45,466
I don't think you've got an

1502
01:33:45,466 --> 01:33:46,833
example as well to show, but.

1503
01:33:46,866 --> 01:33:47,233
No, I was gonna

1504
01:33:47,233 --> 01:33:47,866
have a play around,

1505
01:33:47,866 --> 01:33:48,766
but let's bring it up.

1506
01:33:49,133 --> 01:33:50,666
Here is an example.

1507
01:33:51,166 --> 01:33:51,733
Let's go back.

1508
01:33:51,733 --> 01:33:52,666
Let's take a step back in what

1509
01:33:52,666 --> 01:33:53,733
you typically would get.

1510
01:33:53,966 --> 01:33:54,666
Like I'm not on

1511
01:33:54,666 --> 01:33:55,733
pro search folks.

1512
01:33:55,733 --> 01:33:56,366
This is just normal

1513
01:33:56,366 --> 01:33:57,500
perplexity and stuff.

1514
01:33:57,500 --> 01:33:58,433
I'm not a specialist, Chris.

1515
01:33:59,066 --> 01:34:00,233
But I asked the question here,

1516
01:34:00,233 --> 01:34:00,966
what is the full letter of

1517
01:34:00,966 --> 01:34:02,266
Trump's 2024 election win

1518
01:34:02,500 --> 01:34:03,166
for Australia?

1519
01:34:03,866 --> 01:34:06,066
And you get five sources or

1520
01:34:06,066 --> 01:34:07,466
eight sources that are here.

1521
01:34:07,833 --> 01:34:09,666
I could choose which ones I

1522
01:34:09,666 --> 01:34:10,466
want to include

1523
01:34:10,666 --> 01:34:11,266
in the further

1524
01:34:11,266 --> 01:34:12,300
search as you can see.

1525
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:13,500
And then you get this like

1526
01:34:13,500 --> 01:34:14,766
summary that's here.

1527
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:16,066
Trade relations, geopolitical

1528
01:34:16,066 --> 01:34:17,733
considerations, et cetera.

1529
01:34:18,300 --> 01:34:19,500
Now that's interesting because

1530
01:34:20,666 --> 01:34:21,199
I've done the same

1531
01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:24,233
search here with chat GPT.

1532
01:34:24,833 --> 01:34:25,800
And I see that I get

1533
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:27,833
a shorter response.

1534
01:34:28,066 --> 01:34:29,366
So I have used this before and

1535
01:34:29,366 --> 01:34:30,966
actually chat GPT on average

1536
01:34:31,733 --> 01:34:33,166
for searches giving much longer

1537
01:34:33,166 --> 01:34:35,333
responses for me at least.

1538
01:34:35,333 --> 01:34:35,966
But the most

1539
01:34:35,966 --> 01:34:37,866
interesting thing I find is that

1540
01:34:38,300 --> 01:34:40,466
the vast number of

1541
01:34:40,466 --> 01:34:41,833
sources that it pulls from.

1542
01:34:42,066 --> 01:34:42,933
So have a look at this.

1543
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:44,533
Like you've got here the

1544
01:34:44,533 --> 01:34:45,666
citations folks.

1545
01:34:45,966 --> 01:34:47,566
So on screen, there's a side

1546
01:34:47,566 --> 01:34:48,466
panel that comes up

1547
01:34:48,466 --> 01:34:49,866
when I do my chat GPT search.

1548
01:34:50,500 --> 01:34:51,166
You've got sources

1549
01:34:51,166 --> 01:34:52,366
when you use perplexity.

1550
01:34:53,133 --> 01:34:53,833
I saw there eight

1551
01:34:53,833 --> 01:34:54,533
on the other one.

1552
01:34:54,733 --> 01:34:55,433
This one, it gives

1553
01:34:55,433 --> 01:34:56,666
not only sources,

1554
01:34:56,666 --> 01:34:58,800
it gives search results.

1555
01:34:59,333 --> 01:35:00,266
So one, two, three,

1556
01:35:00,266 --> 01:35:01,666
four, five, six, seven,

1557
01:35:01,666 --> 01:35:02,833
eight, nine, 10,

1558
01:35:02,833 --> 01:35:06,166
11, 12, 13 ish or so.

1559
01:35:06,633 --> 01:35:08,566
And from that 13, one, two,

1560
01:35:08,566 --> 01:35:10,166
three, four, five were used

1561
01:35:10,333 --> 01:35:12,133
as part of the citations to

1562
01:35:12,133 --> 01:35:12,966
actually give the answer.

1563
01:35:12,966 --> 01:35:13,466
So it does a whole

1564
01:35:13,466 --> 01:35:14,266
search and it goes,

1565
01:35:14,566 --> 01:35:15,866
these are the best ones to use.

1566
01:35:15,866 --> 01:35:16,899
I think that's how it works.

1567
01:35:16,899 --> 01:35:17,533
I'm sure there's like

1568
01:35:17,533 --> 01:35:18,133
documentation

1569
01:35:18,133 --> 01:35:18,966
and stuff on that,

1570
01:35:19,266 --> 01:35:21,633
but they at least divide up the

1571
01:35:21,633 --> 01:35:22,566
space into that way.

1572
01:35:22,566 --> 01:35:23,866
So here's one where it was a

1573
01:35:23,866 --> 01:35:24,500
shorter answer,

1574
01:35:24,500 --> 01:35:26,066
but much more insights into

1575
01:35:26,066 --> 01:35:27,166
terms of the search.

1576
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:28,566
Quite good, I would

1577
01:35:28,566 --> 01:35:29,566
say in some regards.

1578
01:35:30,100 --> 01:35:30,466
I think it

1579
01:35:30,466 --> 01:35:32,166
suffers a little bit.

1580
01:35:32,166 --> 01:35:33,199
And we'll do an example.

1581
01:35:33,766 --> 01:35:34,633
It suffers a little bit, I

1582
01:35:34,633 --> 01:35:35,266
think from the same thing

1583
01:35:35,266 --> 01:35:36,199
that perplexity does is

1584
01:35:36,199 --> 01:35:38,000
sometimes the date relevance

1585
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,066
is a little bit off.

1586
01:35:39,066 --> 01:35:39,933
Like it might provide, I think

1587
01:35:39,933 --> 01:35:40,800
we've had this in the past

1588
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:41,066
where we were

1589
01:35:41,066 --> 01:35:42,033
looking at some stuff live

1590
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:44,633
and the results were coming

1591
01:35:44,633 --> 01:35:45,466
back from things

1592
01:35:45,466 --> 01:35:46,899
from like 2019,

1593
01:35:47,266 --> 01:35:48,300
even though we wanted stuff

1594
01:35:48,300 --> 01:35:49,500
from the last couple of weeks.

1595
01:35:49,566 --> 01:35:51,233
And even if you said that like,

1596
01:35:51,433 --> 01:35:52,233
please make it only

1597
01:35:52,233 --> 01:35:52,733
like blah, blah,

1598
01:35:52,733 --> 01:35:53,533
blah stuff from here.

1599
01:35:53,533 --> 01:35:54,666
I did one where I was helping

1600
01:35:54,666 --> 01:35:56,333
out some other colleagues

1601
01:35:56,500 --> 01:35:56,966
with some search

1602
01:35:56,966 --> 01:35:57,533
that they're doing.

1603
01:35:57,966 --> 01:35:59,533
And I said, only make a results

1604
01:35:59,533 --> 01:36:01,033
from the UK, for example,

1605
01:36:01,266 --> 01:36:02,566
I only want results from the

1606
01:36:02,566 --> 01:36:03,166
United Kingdom.

1607
01:36:03,566 --> 01:36:05,133
And it was coming up with most

1608
01:36:05,133 --> 01:36:06,199
from the United Kingdom,

1609
01:36:06,199 --> 01:36:06,633
but then some

1610
01:36:06,633 --> 01:36:07,433
stuff from Australia,

1611
01:36:07,566 --> 01:36:08,233
because in that

1612
01:36:08,233 --> 01:36:09,033
Australian article,

1613
01:36:09,033 --> 01:36:09,966
it mentions United

1614
01:36:09,966 --> 01:36:10,866
Kingdom in relation

1615
01:36:11,133 --> 01:36:12,066
to this particular topic.

1616
01:36:12,300 --> 01:36:14,066
So it can get confused.

1617
01:36:14,066 --> 01:36:15,199
It's a whole metadata thing.

1618
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:16,433
And it's the, people you gotta

1619
01:36:16,433 --> 01:36:17,199
understand this,

1620
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:18,766
like this is not foolproof, but

1621
01:36:18,766 --> 01:36:19,633
hey, look at this,

1622
01:36:19,633 --> 01:36:20,300
it's getting you

1623
01:36:20,300 --> 01:36:20,866
something here.

1624
01:36:21,166 --> 01:36:22,033
I don't know how long

1625
01:36:22,033 --> 01:36:22,733
it would have taken me

1626
01:36:22,833 --> 01:36:25,366
to find 20 sources and

1627
01:36:25,366 --> 01:36:26,566
summarize those.

1628
01:36:26,933 --> 01:36:29,033
God, like I have no idea that

1629
01:36:29,033 --> 01:36:30,533
if I could do that

1630
01:36:30,533 --> 01:36:31,666
as quick as this, like there's

1631
01:36:31,666 --> 01:36:32,833
no, actually I know,

1632
01:36:32,833 --> 01:36:33,533
there is no way.

1633
01:36:33,933 --> 01:36:35,666
So there is an efficiency gain.

1634
01:36:35,666 --> 01:36:37,366
You just have to take sometimes

1635
01:36:37,366 --> 01:36:38,033
that, you know,

1636
01:36:38,033 --> 01:36:39,133
it's gonna have some bad ones.

1637
01:36:39,133 --> 01:36:39,966
You just gotta check it.

1638
01:36:40,266 --> 01:36:40,666
I'd have said,

1639
01:36:40,666 --> 01:36:41,300
check it is good.

1640
01:36:41,300 --> 01:36:42,166
So let's have a play with it.

1641
01:36:42,166 --> 01:36:43,266
So I've got perplexity.

1642
01:36:43,266 --> 01:36:43,666
I want to type it

1643
01:36:43,666 --> 01:36:44,100
to a comparison.

1644
01:36:44,333 --> 01:36:46,333
Complexity, I've got open air

1645
01:36:46,333 --> 01:36:47,199
chat, chappity here.

1646
01:36:47,366 --> 01:36:48,733
And I've got Google as well.

1647
01:36:49,333 --> 01:36:51,166
Obviously the reigning champion

1648
01:36:51,166 --> 01:36:52,500
of the world, the OG.

1649
01:36:53,399 --> 01:36:54,466
And I do find myself still

1650
01:36:54,466 --> 01:36:55,233
going back to Google

1651
01:36:55,233 --> 01:36:56,233
for that sort of generic

1652
01:36:56,233 --> 01:36:57,399
finding of searches.

1653
01:36:58,033 --> 01:36:58,566
But for when it

1654
01:36:58,566 --> 01:36:59,300
comes to summary,

1655
01:36:59,300 --> 01:37:00,366
I definitely pop it

1656
01:37:00,366 --> 01:37:01,633
into these other tools.

1657
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:03,133
What's something that's

1658
01:37:03,133 --> 01:37:03,766
happened recently.

1659
01:37:03,766 --> 01:37:05,766
Let's talk about Apple.

1660
01:37:06,733 --> 01:37:08,033
They did their, you know, a

1661
01:37:08,033 --> 01:37:09,433
second round, 18.2.

1662
01:37:09,433 --> 01:37:10,333
iOS just came out

1663
01:37:10,333 --> 01:37:11,466
for mobile devices,

1664
01:37:11,466 --> 01:37:12,166
which comes with

1665
01:37:12,166 --> 01:37:13,533
more AI updates.

1666
01:37:13,933 --> 01:37:14,699
Google phone here folks.

1667
01:37:15,033 --> 01:37:15,166
Yeah, I'm a

1668
01:37:15,166 --> 01:37:15,966
Google user as well.

1669
01:37:15,966 --> 01:37:17,533
I'm a S24 Ultra.

1670
01:37:17,866 --> 01:37:19,233
Can't get away from it.

1671
01:37:19,833 --> 01:37:20,866
So let's go

1672
01:37:20,866 --> 01:37:26,066
latest iPhone release

1673
01:37:26,633 --> 01:37:28,800
and news about AI.

1674
01:37:30,066 --> 01:37:30,833
About its AI features.

1675
01:37:31,033 --> 01:37:31,933
Let's go, yeah, I see it's AI.

1676
01:37:31,966 --> 01:37:32,699
Okay, copy that.

1677
01:37:33,066 --> 01:37:33,899
Yeah, we could copy that.

1678
01:37:34,566 --> 01:37:36,633
And let's run it in this one.

1679
01:37:36,666 --> 01:37:37,800
So we've got a pro mode active.

1680
01:37:38,033 --> 01:37:38,433
Pro mode.

1681
01:37:38,433 --> 01:37:39,566
I'll send this girl.

1682
01:37:39,566 --> 01:37:40,533
Let's see how long it takes.

1683
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:42,000
Same. One, so it's

1684
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:42,199
still a thing to do.

1685
01:37:42,233 --> 01:37:43,333
Oh my God, it's so slow folks.

1686
01:37:43,566 --> 01:37:44,033
I'm just joking.

1687
01:37:44,733 --> 01:37:45,166
For those that

1688
01:37:45,166 --> 01:37:45,933
are listening in,

1689
01:37:46,933 --> 01:37:48,166
AI is just so much faster now.

1690
01:37:48,166 --> 01:37:48,866
I was looking up news.

1691
01:37:49,666 --> 01:37:51,233
It's found 10

1692
01:37:51,233 --> 01:37:52,399
articles this time

1693
01:37:52,399 --> 01:37:53,500
and it's giving its

1694
01:37:53,500 --> 01:37:54,699
summarized answer.

1695
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:55,366
If you've never

1696
01:37:55,366 --> 01:37:56,566
used perplexity before,

1697
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:57,933
it's like Google search in

1698
01:37:57,933 --> 01:37:58,766
reverse where--

1699
01:37:58,766 --> 01:37:59,833
That was about, yeah.

1700
01:38:00,066 --> 01:38:01,333
Yeah, it was like 16 seconds.

1701
01:38:01,566 --> 01:38:02,333
So it's come up with, let's see

1702
01:38:02,333 --> 01:38:03,133
what some of these sources,

1703
01:38:03,433 --> 01:38:05,466
Apple and iPhone, AI 16.

1704
01:38:06,100 --> 01:38:06,966
Like how recent is this?

1705
01:38:06,966 --> 01:38:08,199
This is directly from the

1706
01:38:08,199 --> 01:38:08,966
Apple's website.

1707
01:38:09,733 --> 01:38:10,833
Let's see, this is--

1708
01:38:10,833 --> 01:38:11,100
10th of September.

1709
01:38:11,133 --> 01:38:12,133
10th of September, so it's a

1710
01:38:12,133 --> 01:38:12,833
little bit old.

1711
01:38:13,399 --> 01:38:14,233
Then they come out for the,

1712
01:38:14,333 --> 01:38:15,199
didn't tell us

1713
01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:16,500
about the latest stuff

1714
01:38:16,666 --> 01:38:17,333
that just came out.

1715
01:38:17,333 --> 01:38:17,933
It's only two months

1716
01:38:17,933 --> 01:38:19,066
and it's old for Chris.

1717
01:38:19,333 --> 01:38:20,533
If you're doing new products

1718
01:38:20,533 --> 01:38:21,199
for Chris, folks,

1719
01:38:21,566 --> 01:38:22,866
make sure that it's on the day.

1720
01:38:23,266 --> 01:38:23,633
Well, it's just

1721
01:38:23,633 --> 01:38:25,433
because the updates, 18.2,

1722
01:38:25,433 --> 01:38:25,966
has literally been in

1723
01:38:25,966 --> 01:38:27,133
the last week or so.

1724
01:38:27,533 --> 01:38:28,133
Seeing if they would,

1725
01:38:28,733 --> 01:38:29,166
let's see some of

1726
01:38:29,166 --> 01:38:29,766
the other articles

1727
01:38:29,766 --> 01:38:31,766
that come up with Macworld.

1728
01:38:32,633 --> 01:38:32,833
So it's the

1729
01:38:32,833 --> 01:38:33,533
interesting thing here.

1730
01:38:33,533 --> 01:38:34,566
It doesn't show you dates of

1731
01:38:34,566 --> 01:38:35,966
the articles or relevance.

1732
01:38:35,966 --> 01:38:36,333
So you have to

1733
01:38:36,333 --> 01:38:36,933
actually click in.

1734
01:38:37,233 --> 01:38:37,966
September 20 here,

1735
01:38:37,966 --> 01:38:38,866
it does say Dabood.

1736
01:38:40,066 --> 01:38:40,733
So yeah, that's good.

1737
01:38:40,733 --> 01:38:41,733
So it does pretty good job.

1738
01:38:41,733 --> 01:38:42,066
So you could do a

1739
01:38:42,066 --> 01:38:42,633
bit of research.

1740
01:38:42,733 --> 01:38:43,766
I saw some at the bottom there.

1741
01:38:43,766 --> 01:38:45,066
There was an 18.2 mentioned.

1742
01:38:45,433 --> 01:38:46,566
18.2, there we go.

1743
01:38:46,633 --> 01:38:47,333
I always say 18.2,

1744
01:38:47,333 --> 01:38:48,100
BETA is now live.

1745
01:38:48,633 --> 01:38:49,433
Here's what's new.

1746
01:38:50,066 --> 01:38:51,000
Let's have a look at that.

1747
01:38:52,533 --> 01:38:53,466
Yeah, so that'd be recent

1748
01:38:53,466 --> 01:38:54,933
because there you go.

1749
01:38:54,933 --> 01:38:55,699
Five hours ago.

1750
01:38:55,966 --> 01:38:56,833
Hopefully that's good enough

1751
01:38:56,833 --> 01:38:57,300
for you, Chris.

1752
01:38:57,466 --> 01:38:58,500
That's better, that's better.

1753
01:38:58,533 --> 01:38:59,899
If you're watching at home or

1754
01:38:59,899 --> 01:39:00,733
if you're listening in,

1755
01:39:00,733 --> 01:39:01,933
just like, just realize folks

1756
01:39:01,933 --> 01:39:03,666
that there is a high bar.

1757
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:04,500
And like, let's

1758
01:39:04,500 --> 01:39:05,366
think about the search

1759
01:39:05,366 --> 01:39:06,333
that I did put in

1760
01:39:06,333 --> 01:39:07,633
was pretty broad.

1761
01:39:07,633 --> 01:39:08,666
So it maybe is just, it's

1762
01:39:08,666 --> 01:39:09,633
looking at, you know,

1763
01:39:09,633 --> 01:39:10,966
the news and most popular news

1764
01:39:10,966 --> 01:39:11,633
and pulling out what

1765
01:39:11,633 --> 01:39:12,366
has had the most hits,

1766
01:39:12,366 --> 01:39:13,266
which is obviously gonna be the

1767
01:39:13,266 --> 01:39:13,533
older articles.

1768
01:39:13,533 --> 01:39:15,100
Let's go to chat GPT.

1769
01:39:15,233 --> 01:39:16,133
Let's go check out chat GPT.

1770
01:39:17,533 --> 01:39:18,266
Let me close this up.

1771
01:39:19,366 --> 01:39:19,899
All right,

1772
01:39:19,899 --> 01:39:21,000
exactly the same search.

1773
01:39:21,766 --> 01:39:23,133
You gotta hit the extra button.

1774
01:39:23,333 --> 01:39:24,233
You gotta click the button

1775
01:39:24,233 --> 01:39:24,833
so we know that

1776
01:39:24,833 --> 01:39:25,666
we're searching the web.

1777
01:39:26,566 --> 01:39:27,366
You know, the interesting thing

1778
01:39:27,366 --> 01:39:28,199
though is that,

1779
01:39:28,566 --> 01:39:29,366
and here we go

1780
01:39:29,366 --> 01:39:30,500
very fast, the answer.

1781
01:39:30,500 --> 01:39:31,066
We're not gonna see the

1782
01:39:31,066 --> 01:39:32,166
sources until the end.

1783
01:39:32,166 --> 01:39:33,066
So shorter response.

1784
01:39:33,333 --> 01:39:33,633
There's some

1785
01:39:33,633 --> 01:39:34,633
details on it there.

1786
01:39:34,933 --> 01:39:35,766
Click on the sources.

1787
01:39:35,766 --> 01:39:36,333
Let's have a look at that.

1788
01:39:36,333 --> 01:39:36,833
That was a lot

1789
01:39:36,833 --> 01:39:37,533
quicker if you said,

1790
01:39:37,533 --> 01:39:38,066
oh, mine's popped

1791
01:39:38,066 --> 01:39:38,733
up in an overlay.

1792
01:39:39,399 --> 01:39:40,366
So citations.

1793
01:39:41,333 --> 01:39:42,433
Yeah, it's interesting yours,

1794
01:39:42,466 --> 01:39:43,466
it pops up as a

1795
01:39:43,466 --> 01:39:44,866
modal, a pop up.

1796
01:39:45,333 --> 01:39:46,766
For me, it pops up on the side.

1797
01:39:47,033 --> 01:39:48,000
I had it on the side as well.

1798
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:48,433
I'm not sure.

1799
01:39:48,433 --> 01:39:49,066
I've always had it on the side.

1800
01:39:49,633 --> 01:39:50,566
So that's just, okay, cool.

1801
01:39:50,833 --> 01:39:52,366
So yes, September 9th.

1802
01:39:52,366 --> 01:39:53,600
So similar articles actually,

1803
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:54,300
if we look at it here,

1804
01:39:54,300 --> 01:39:55,899
Phone Arena, Apple Support,

1805
01:39:55,899 --> 01:39:56,366
interesting one.

1806
01:39:56,866 --> 01:39:58,533
More recent, iPhone 16.

1807
01:39:58,933 --> 01:39:59,866
You go to the search results,

1808
01:39:59,866 --> 01:40:00,366
how many are there?

1809
01:40:00,366 --> 01:40:02,100
One, two, three, four, five,

1810
01:40:02,100 --> 01:40:03,933
six, seven, eight, nine,

1811
01:40:03,933 --> 01:40:06,166
10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.

1812
01:40:06,566 --> 01:40:07,533
Okay, let's just say there's a

1813
01:40:07,533 --> 01:40:08,233
lot more, nearly 20.

1814
01:40:08,633 --> 01:40:09,699
Pulled a lot more sources.

1815
01:40:10,300 --> 01:40:11,500
So less of a summary,

1816
01:40:11,899 --> 01:40:13,166
less of a citations, but it

1817
01:40:13,166 --> 01:40:13,966
does interestingly

1818
01:40:14,199 --> 01:40:15,433
put references in its links,

1819
01:40:15,866 --> 01:40:17,066
which as you saw here,

1820
01:40:17,066 --> 01:40:18,133
perplexity does do the same

1821
01:40:18,133 --> 01:40:19,066
thing with the summaries.

1822
01:40:19,266 --> 01:40:20,033
You go back to the chat, you

1823
01:40:20,033 --> 01:40:20,666
can tell you one.

1824
01:40:20,666 --> 01:40:21,466
It's got the site.

1825
01:40:21,466 --> 01:40:22,533
So citations, when you

1826
01:40:22,533 --> 01:40:23,266
click on the sources,

1827
01:40:23,833 --> 01:40:24,966
are the citations that you

1828
01:40:24,966 --> 01:40:26,833
actually see in the results.

1829
01:40:27,033 --> 01:40:27,833
So it did a vast

1830
01:40:27,833 --> 01:40:29,000
search on nearly 20,

1831
01:40:29,366 --> 01:40:30,166
but it only gets

1832
01:40:30,166 --> 01:40:31,666
citations from a few

1833
01:40:31,666 --> 01:40:33,066
that it thinks are important.

1834
01:40:33,166 --> 01:40:33,766
Exactly right.

1835
01:40:34,366 --> 01:40:35,566
It would be great, right?

1836
01:40:35,733 --> 01:40:36,266
Like this is great

1837
01:40:36,266 --> 01:40:37,166
that they've got search,

1838
01:40:37,166 --> 01:40:39,033
but there's no ability

1839
01:40:39,033 --> 01:40:40,133
for you to filter it.

1840
01:40:40,166 --> 01:40:42,133
Maybe it is something that,

1841
01:40:42,133 --> 01:40:42,533
this is just

1842
01:40:42,533 --> 01:40:43,566
through the chat function,

1843
01:40:43,566 --> 01:40:44,466
the API is really

1844
01:40:44,466 --> 01:40:45,466
the most powerful thing

1845
01:40:45,566 --> 01:40:47,633
that OpenAI have.

1846
01:40:47,833 --> 01:40:49,233
Chat GPT is just like a

1847
01:40:49,233 --> 01:40:51,100
baseline kind of like app.

1848
01:40:51,100 --> 01:40:52,133
It's what you do with the

1849
01:40:52,133 --> 01:40:52,866
underlying model.

1850
01:40:53,266 --> 01:40:55,100
If the search GPT has ability

1851
01:40:55,100 --> 01:40:56,300
to provide new ones

1852
01:40:56,300 --> 01:40:57,666
into how it does its search,

1853
01:40:57,666 --> 01:40:59,333
so it can do search exactly

1854
01:40:59,333 --> 01:41:00,833
like how you as a company

1855
01:41:00,933 --> 01:41:02,233
research or how you as a

1856
01:41:02,233 --> 01:41:03,166
consultant or analyst,

1857
01:41:03,566 --> 01:41:04,633
that would be quite powerful

1858
01:41:04,633 --> 01:41:06,133
because you get limited

1859
01:41:06,399 --> 01:41:06,699
kind of

1860
01:41:06,699 --> 01:41:08,066
interactivity with this one.

1861
01:41:08,866 --> 01:41:09,699
Very much so.

1862
01:41:09,733 --> 01:41:11,899
That consideration

1863
01:41:11,899 --> 01:41:13,666
is a massive one,

1864
01:41:13,666 --> 01:41:14,366
but if you think about some of

1865
01:41:14,366 --> 01:41:15,066
the other advancement here,

1866
01:41:15,066 --> 01:41:16,300
it was significantly faster

1867
01:41:16,300 --> 01:41:17,733
than perplexity in its results,

1868
01:41:17,733 --> 01:41:19,733
but it did pull in less of a

1869
01:41:19,733 --> 01:41:20,800
summary as of because of it.

1870
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:22,266
I think we're about 15 seconds

1871
01:41:22,266 --> 01:41:23,233
then for perplexity,

1872
01:41:23,233 --> 01:41:24,066
chat GPT doing it at

1873
01:41:24,066 --> 01:41:24,933
about less than 10.

1874
01:41:25,766 --> 01:41:26,166
But even then,

1875
01:41:26,166 --> 01:41:26,933
like I said before,

1876
01:41:26,933 --> 01:41:27,699
like with some of the other

1877
01:41:27,699 --> 01:41:28,766
stuff that I've been searching,

1878
01:41:29,733 --> 01:41:31,233
maybe like the searches that

1879
01:41:31,233 --> 01:41:32,633
we've just done today folks

1880
01:41:32,633 --> 01:41:34,633
have been quite just general.

1881
01:41:34,633 --> 01:41:34,933
When I've done

1882
01:41:34,933 --> 01:41:36,566
really nuanced search,

1883
01:41:36,866 --> 01:41:38,166
I've found that sometimes,

1884
01:41:40,166 --> 01:41:41,600
or for this is the time I've

1885
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:42,633
been doing it just this week,

1886
01:41:43,033 --> 01:41:45,733
chat GPT has had vastly more

1887
01:41:45,733 --> 01:41:47,833
powerful and lengthier

1888
01:41:47,833 --> 01:41:48,600
and detailed

1889
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:50,233
responses than perplexity.

1890
01:41:50,633 --> 01:41:51,933
And I can go back

1891
01:41:51,933 --> 01:41:53,266
and forth a lot easily.

1892
01:41:54,033 --> 01:41:54,733
I can have proper

1893
01:41:54,733 --> 01:41:56,066
conversations with the data

1894
01:41:56,066 --> 01:41:57,633
with chat GPT with perplexity

1895
01:41:57,633 --> 01:41:58,600
to be hit and miss.

1896
01:41:58,600 --> 01:41:59,033
If you try to

1897
01:41:59,033 --> 01:41:59,866
continue the conversation,

1898
01:42:00,166 --> 01:42:00,866
it's more there for

1899
01:42:00,866 --> 01:42:02,366
search, but in any case.

1900
01:42:02,633 --> 01:42:03,033
And that's the difference

1901
01:42:03,033 --> 01:42:03,733
between its model,

1902
01:42:03,866 --> 01:42:04,933
particularly with 4.0 and

1903
01:42:04,933 --> 01:42:06,966
backing how chat GPT works

1904
01:42:06,966 --> 01:42:08,033
at poster perplexity

1905
01:42:08,033 --> 01:42:09,133
with its own sort of

1906
01:42:09,433 --> 01:42:10,233
not as complex

1907
01:42:10,233 --> 01:42:11,333
LLM style modeling.

1908
01:42:11,566 --> 01:42:12,466
And now we're gonna go into

1909
01:42:12,466 --> 01:42:13,633
something folks that remember

1910
01:42:13,633 --> 01:42:14,300
when there were these

1911
01:42:14,300 --> 01:42:15,133
things called books,

1912
01:42:15,333 --> 01:42:17,133
there was also a time of a

1913
01:42:17,133 --> 01:42:18,566
world where you had something

1914
01:42:18,666 --> 01:42:19,733
called Google search.

1915
01:42:20,433 --> 01:42:21,633
Now, like you can see instantly

1916
01:42:21,633 --> 01:42:22,600
the difference there

1917
01:42:23,566 --> 01:42:25,133
was the speed that was

1918
01:42:25,133 --> 01:42:27,866
instantaneous in that search.

1919
01:42:27,866 --> 01:42:28,933
But don't get the summaries.

1920
01:42:28,933 --> 01:42:31,000
I don't have Gemini active like

1921
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:32,533
any other people would do.

1922
01:42:32,966 --> 01:42:33,466
I do have it on

1923
01:42:33,466 --> 01:42:34,466
my personal system,

1924
01:42:34,466 --> 01:42:34,800
but not on this

1925
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:35,266
one, unfortunately,

1926
01:42:35,866 --> 01:42:38,633
but that was instantaneous.

1927
01:42:39,199 --> 01:42:40,133
But what I'm not getting is

1928
01:42:40,133 --> 01:42:41,000
that in-depth summary

1929
01:42:41,366 --> 01:42:42,600
right off the bat, like I would

1930
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:43,133
with the other tools,

1931
01:42:43,300 --> 01:42:44,166
unless you have Gemini,

1932
01:42:44,166 --> 01:42:44,566
if you're paying

1933
01:42:44,566 --> 01:42:45,933
that $16 a month for it.

1934
01:42:45,933 --> 01:42:47,366
It's instantaneous, but you

1935
01:42:47,366 --> 01:42:48,100
have to do the work.

1936
01:42:48,133 --> 01:42:49,533
But now I have to do the work.

1937
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:49,833
You know what's

1938
01:42:49,833 --> 01:42:51,433
fascinating man.

1939
01:42:51,466 --> 01:42:52,199
But with Gemini though,

1940
01:42:52,633 --> 01:42:54,433
you would have still a bit more

1941
01:42:54,433 --> 01:42:55,066
of a summary piece

1942
01:42:55,066 --> 01:42:55,966
and you have the ability to

1943
01:42:55,966 --> 01:42:56,866
expand that out.

1944
01:42:56,866 --> 01:42:59,166
And Gemini is significantly

1945
01:42:59,166 --> 01:43:00,699
quicker on that summary part,

1946
01:43:00,699 --> 01:43:01,266
but you can't

1947
01:43:01,266 --> 01:43:02,066
interrogate it, right?

1948
01:43:02,266 --> 01:43:02,466
Yeah.

1949
01:43:03,166 --> 01:43:04,333
Within the search result, you

1950
01:43:04,333 --> 01:43:05,233
can't interrogate it.

1951
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:07,666
There's so many things to this,

1952
01:43:07,666 --> 01:43:08,866
but just on that note,

1953
01:43:09,333 --> 01:43:11,566
it does come up

1954
01:43:11,566 --> 01:43:12,366
so much quicker,

1955
01:43:12,366 --> 01:43:13,233
but it's just going back to

1956
01:43:13,233 --> 01:43:14,166
that world where,

1957
01:43:14,366 --> 01:43:14,800
it's just going

1958
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:15,399
back to that world

1959
01:43:15,399 --> 01:43:17,866
where you have just normal,

1960
01:43:18,766 --> 01:43:20,866
you have to do the search

1961
01:43:20,866 --> 01:43:21,633
yourself and stuff

1962
01:43:21,633 --> 01:43:22,133
rather than you

1963
01:43:22,133 --> 01:43:22,766
getting the summary.

1964
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:23,666
And the only thing

1965
01:43:23,666 --> 01:43:25,033
that's there is that

1966
01:43:25,399 --> 01:43:26,399
you have to trust that this is

1967
01:43:26,399 --> 01:43:27,000
the right summary.

1968
01:43:27,899 --> 01:43:28,633
These things are doing.

1969
01:43:29,199 --> 01:43:30,966
So it's a probability model,

1970
01:43:30,966 --> 01:43:31,466
it's predictive.

1971
01:43:31,933 --> 01:43:32,399
This is what

1972
01:43:32,399 --> 01:43:33,433
it's like going into

1973
01:43:34,366 --> 01:43:36,466
in terms of what it thinks that

1974
01:43:36,466 --> 01:43:37,866
the summary should be about.

1975
01:43:37,866 --> 01:43:38,633
Whereas if you do it,

1976
01:43:38,633 --> 01:43:39,766
you have to drive it.

1977
01:43:40,433 --> 01:43:41,533
But the interesting thing I

1978
01:43:41,533 --> 01:43:42,300
think as well is that

1979
01:43:42,733 --> 01:43:43,933
there's that trade off, right?

1980
01:43:43,933 --> 01:43:46,233
Just because now it takes 16

1981
01:43:46,233 --> 01:43:47,699
seconds or 20 seconds.

1982
01:43:48,066 --> 01:43:49,166
I mean, it's showing it on

1983
01:43:49,166 --> 01:43:50,800
screen at the same time.

1984
01:43:51,233 --> 01:43:52,066
And before we were

1985
01:43:52,066 --> 01:43:53,166
racing into this world,

1986
01:43:53,166 --> 01:43:54,533
how fast can I get before,

1987
01:43:54,533 --> 01:43:55,133
like if you look

1988
01:43:55,133 --> 01:43:56,500
back at the first GPT,

1989
01:43:56,500 --> 01:43:58,066
before even 3.5 turbo,

1990
01:43:58,633 --> 01:43:59,933
it was just GPT-3 that

1991
01:43:59,933 --> 01:44:01,133
was like out on screen

1992
01:44:01,300 --> 01:44:02,000
for chat GPT.

1993
01:44:02,833 --> 01:44:03,866
And obviously the models were

1994
01:44:03,866 --> 01:44:04,433
there before that,

1995
01:44:04,433 --> 01:44:06,066
but only available via API.

1996
01:44:06,066 --> 01:44:07,266
But it was slower

1997
01:44:07,266 --> 01:44:08,566
than what we have today.

1998
01:44:08,833 --> 01:44:10,000
And people were racing towards

1999
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:11,166
how fast can we get it?

2000
01:44:11,566 --> 01:44:13,333
And because O1 came

2001
01:44:13,333 --> 01:44:14,266
out with that model,

2002
01:44:14,866 --> 01:44:16,566
so OpenAI came out with a model

2003
01:44:16,566 --> 01:44:18,233
O1 that does thinking,

2004
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:20,233
people are now actually going,

2005
01:44:20,233 --> 01:44:21,066
oh wait, I actually

2006
01:44:21,066 --> 01:44:21,933
wanted to think more.

2007
01:44:21,933 --> 01:44:22,566
Why did it only

2008
01:44:22,566 --> 01:44:23,733
think for 16 seconds?

2009
01:44:23,733 --> 01:44:25,066
I get much more of a higher

2010
01:44:25,066 --> 01:44:25,899
quality response.

2011
01:44:25,899 --> 01:44:27,866
And I'm saying this because,

2012
01:44:29,266 --> 01:44:30,866
I'm saying this because what I

2013
01:44:30,866 --> 01:44:33,033
find interesting is that,

2014
01:44:34,100 --> 01:44:35,133
until that happened

2015
01:44:35,133 --> 01:44:36,066
from a major player,

2016
01:44:36,500 --> 01:44:37,366
we were doing things

2017
01:44:37,366 --> 01:44:38,533
where it's doing thinking

2018
01:44:38,533 --> 01:44:39,733
in the background and yeah,

2019
01:44:39,733 --> 01:44:40,933
it's taking 30 seconds.

2020
01:44:40,933 --> 01:44:42,500
It's taking 20 seconds.

2021
01:44:42,899 --> 01:44:44,133
But because it's doing these

2022
01:44:44,133 --> 01:44:45,066
kinds of processes,

2023
01:44:46,433 --> 01:44:47,733
people were like, oh, how can

2024
01:44:47,733 --> 01:44:48,366
we get that faster?

2025
01:44:48,666 --> 01:44:49,633
And then it's not until like

2026
01:44:49,633 --> 01:44:50,699
OpenAI comes out

2027
01:44:50,699 --> 01:44:51,699
with its thinking model,

2028
01:44:52,133 --> 01:44:54,100
people are now used

2029
01:44:54,100 --> 01:44:55,133
to having something

2030
01:44:55,133 --> 01:44:55,966
just do a lot of

2031
01:44:55,966 --> 01:44:57,266
thinking underneath.

2032
01:44:57,633 --> 01:44:58,366
They're happy to

2033
01:44:58,366 --> 01:44:59,133
wait if they get

2034
01:44:59,133 --> 01:44:59,899
a better quality response.

2035
01:45:00,233 --> 01:45:00,666
I think that's

2036
01:45:00,666 --> 01:45:01,466
actually interesting,

2037
01:45:02,333 --> 01:45:02,866
even if you're

2038
01:45:02,866 --> 01:45:03,633
building and stuff,

2039
01:45:03,633 --> 01:45:04,800
like how the public can be

2040
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:06,233
swayed and stuff like that.

2041
01:45:06,633 --> 01:45:08,199
So in any case, what do you

2042
01:45:08,199 --> 01:45:09,933
wanna add to next?

2043
01:45:10,399 --> 01:45:12,166
So, I mean, in line with that,

2044
01:45:12,166 --> 01:45:14,533
we had OpenAI just updated

2045
01:45:14,533 --> 01:45:15,166
their application.

2046
01:45:15,500 --> 01:45:16,233
I don't know if you ever use

2047
01:45:16,233 --> 01:45:17,433
the app on your desktop.

2048
01:45:17,666 --> 01:45:18,066
I just quickly

2049
01:45:18,066 --> 01:45:18,633
installed it then.

2050
01:45:18,633 --> 01:45:19,466
I do have it on my other

2051
01:45:19,466 --> 01:45:20,933
system, but not on this one.

2052
01:45:21,533 --> 01:45:22,633
And I just actually ran the

2053
01:45:22,633 --> 01:45:23,966
same query through the system.

2054
01:45:23,966 --> 01:45:25,133
And it actually gave me a much

2055
01:45:25,133 --> 01:45:26,033
more in-depth response

2056
01:45:26,266 --> 01:45:27,800
than just then as

2057
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:28,533
compared to what I did

2058
01:45:28,533 --> 01:45:29,333
when I was on the desktop.

2059
01:45:29,333 --> 01:45:29,899
And I don't know whether it's

2060
01:45:29,899 --> 01:45:30,566
because it's learned

2061
01:45:30,733 --> 01:45:32,666
from what I just did and knows,

2062
01:45:33,033 --> 01:45:33,366
it's probably

2063
01:45:33,366 --> 01:45:34,466
listening to us and going.

2064
01:45:34,666 --> 01:45:34,866
Probably.

2065
01:45:36,033 --> 01:45:37,800
And the sources again, similar

2066
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:38,633
thing as it's overlay.

2067
01:45:38,966 --> 01:45:39,266
I accidentally

2068
01:45:39,266 --> 01:45:40,133
clicked on someone there.

2069
01:45:41,366 --> 01:45:43,666
But with the app, which you

2070
01:45:43,666 --> 01:45:45,733
don't get on browser now,

2071
01:45:45,733 --> 01:45:49,966
is they've added in advanced.

2072
01:45:51,899 --> 01:45:52,166
Hello.

2073
01:45:52,733 --> 01:45:53,399
Listening, there we go.

2074
01:45:53,399 --> 01:45:54,600
All right, let's activate that.

2075
01:45:55,133 --> 01:45:55,533
Hello.

2076
01:45:56,266 --> 01:45:56,899
Is it working?

2077
01:45:56,899 --> 01:45:57,133
Was it?

2078
01:45:57,666 --> 01:45:59,066
Okay, allow, I mean, we got to

2079
01:45:59,066 --> 01:45:59,800
talk to this thing.

2080
01:45:59,833 --> 01:46:00,266
Yeah, of course.

2081
01:46:02,166 --> 01:46:02,766
Is it working?

2082
01:46:03,166 --> 01:46:03,399
Hello.

2083
01:46:04,833 --> 01:46:05,266
Hey, AI.

2084
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:07,933
Are you there?

2085
01:46:09,933 --> 01:46:10,933
We can't even hear it.

2086
01:46:10,966 --> 01:46:12,733
Oh, I can't hear it.

2087
01:46:15,366 --> 01:46:16,633
Are we muted the television?

2088
01:46:16,933 --> 01:46:17,133
No.

2089
01:46:17,766 --> 01:46:18,866
I haven't touched it.

2090
01:46:18,866 --> 01:46:19,966
My stuff was playing before.

2091
01:46:20,266 --> 01:46:21,666
Like it's definitely on your

2092
01:46:21,666 --> 01:46:22,199
machine, Chris.

2093
01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:24,033
Let me see.

2094
01:46:24,866 --> 01:46:25,433
Yeah, there we go.

2095
01:46:26,633 --> 01:46:27,233
Let's try that again.

2096
01:46:28,633 --> 01:46:29,266
Trying again.

2097
01:46:30,333 --> 01:46:30,800
There we go, we

2098
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:31,833
can hear it now.

2099
01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:37,666
Hey, how's it going?

2100
01:46:41,233 --> 01:46:42,833
Hey there, I'm doing great.

2101
01:46:43,166 --> 01:46:43,733
Thanks for asking.

2102
01:46:44,133 --> 01:46:44,633
How about you?

2103
01:46:44,966 --> 01:46:45,333
What's up?

2104
01:46:45,766 --> 01:46:46,266
Pretty good,

2105
01:46:46,266 --> 01:46:47,833
we're doing a podcast

2106
01:46:47,833 --> 01:46:48,699
for something called the

2107
01:46:48,699 --> 01:46:50,833
Digital Nexus podcast.

2108
01:46:51,066 --> 01:46:51,699
Then we're talking

2109
01:46:51,699 --> 01:46:53,533
about your latest updates

2110
01:46:53,933 --> 01:46:54,666
and the desktop

2111
01:46:54,666 --> 01:46:55,733
mode that you've got.

2112
01:46:55,733 --> 01:46:56,500
I'm here with Chris.

2113
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:01,866
Thinking.

2114
01:47:02,433 --> 01:47:03,000
That's awesome.

2115
01:47:03,300 --> 01:47:04,033
Hey to you and Chris.

2116
01:47:04,366 --> 01:47:05,466
The Digital Nexus podcast

2117
01:47:05,466 --> 01:47:07,433
sounds like a perfect place

2118
01:47:07,433 --> 01:47:08,966
to dive into AI updates.

2119
01:47:09,333 --> 01:47:10,100
And yeah, desktop

2120
01:47:10,100 --> 01:47:11,366
mode is a big step.

2121
01:47:11,666 --> 01:47:12,833
It really opens up a

2122
01:47:12,833 --> 01:47:14,033
new level of flexibility

2123
01:47:14,366 --> 01:47:16,366
for deep dives, research, or

2124
01:47:16,366 --> 01:47:17,333
just getting hands-on

2125
01:47:17,333 --> 01:47:18,466
with topics in a

2126
01:47:18,466 --> 01:47:19,566
more expansive way.

2127
01:47:19,933 --> 01:47:20,933
What angle are you guys

2128
01:47:20,933 --> 01:47:22,033
planning to take on it?

2129
01:47:24,033 --> 01:47:24,466
Stop, stop, stop.

2130
01:47:24,500 --> 01:47:25,133
Desktop mode

2131
01:47:25,133 --> 01:47:26,333
changes user experience.

2132
01:47:26,333 --> 01:47:26,666
Oh, interesting.

2133
01:47:26,866 --> 01:47:27,566
It's not advanced.

2134
01:47:27,566 --> 01:47:27,766
Or you can't

2135
01:47:27,766 --> 01:47:28,800
broader implications.

2136
01:47:28,833 --> 01:47:29,366
I think it might be

2137
01:47:29,666 --> 01:47:30,466
because advanced you're

2138
01:47:30,466 --> 01:47:31,433
supposed to be able to stop it.

2139
01:47:31,433 --> 01:47:31,833
I think you just

2140
01:47:31,833 --> 01:47:32,666
didn't pick up your audio

2141
01:47:32,666 --> 01:47:33,333
because of the

2142
01:47:33,333 --> 01:47:34,199
angle that you're in.

2143
01:47:34,533 --> 01:47:35,600
Try saying something.

2144
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:36,566
Okay, so you do

2145
01:47:36,566 --> 01:47:37,166
something Chris.

2146
01:47:37,166 --> 01:47:38,233
Chris has got something to say.

2147
01:47:40,033 --> 01:47:40,866
Look, we're really interested

2148
01:47:40,866 --> 01:47:42,600
in trying to get our hands on.

2149
01:47:43,266 --> 01:47:44,033
Sounds like you're

2150
01:47:44,033 --> 01:47:44,933
troubleshooting the setup.

2151
01:47:45,266 --> 01:47:45,466
Okay, can you

2152
01:47:45,466 --> 01:47:46,133
pause for a second?

2153
01:47:46,633 --> 01:47:47,466
Go ahead, Chris.

2154
01:47:47,466 --> 01:47:47,866
Stop, stop, stop.

2155
01:47:47,899 --> 01:47:48,666
Let's hear what you're saying.

2156
01:47:48,666 --> 01:47:49,533
No, it doesn't have the stop.

2157
01:47:49,566 --> 01:47:49,899
I'm ready.

2158
01:47:49,899 --> 01:47:50,333
It's not advanced.

2159
01:47:50,699 --> 01:47:51,566
There we go, stop then.

2160
01:47:52,433 --> 01:47:53,166
There just seems to be a bit of

2161
01:47:53,166 --> 01:47:54,699
a lag in the experience.

2162
01:47:54,699 --> 01:47:55,233
And actually I

2163
01:47:55,233 --> 01:47:56,000
experienced the same thing

2164
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:56,933
when I was testing at home.

2165
01:47:57,766 --> 01:47:58,133
It doesn't seem

2166
01:47:58,133 --> 01:47:59,066
to be as reactive

2167
01:47:59,233 --> 01:47:59,833
as the mobile

2168
01:47:59,833 --> 01:48:00,866
version of the tool,

2169
01:48:00,866 --> 01:48:01,933
but it's interesting, it's cool

2170
01:48:01,933 --> 01:48:02,500
that it's there.

2171
01:48:03,533 --> 01:48:04,966
And they're already going to

2172
01:48:04,966 --> 01:48:05,466
keep improving.

2173
01:48:05,466 --> 01:48:06,633
But on that note folks,

2174
01:48:06,899 --> 01:48:08,000
if you're not playing around

2175
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:08,733
with these tools,

2176
01:48:08,733 --> 01:48:09,633
let's just say you're driving

2177
01:48:09,633 --> 01:48:11,433
and you have it connected to

2178
01:48:11,433 --> 01:48:12,666
your car and stuff.

2179
01:48:13,199 --> 01:48:14,433
Sometimes I will just

2180
01:48:14,433 --> 01:48:15,766
have a chat with it,

2181
01:48:15,766 --> 01:48:16,166
especially with

2182
01:48:16,166 --> 01:48:16,866
the advanced one,

2183
01:48:16,866 --> 01:48:18,000
you don't have to touch the

2184
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:19,100
phone in the cradle

2185
01:48:19,266 --> 01:48:19,966
as much anymore.

2186
01:48:20,133 --> 01:48:21,133
You can just press it

2187
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:22,066
and you have a

2188
01:48:22,066 --> 01:48:23,000
conversation back and forth

2189
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:24,066
because it recognises

2190
01:48:24,066 --> 01:48:26,266
the stops and whatnot.

2191
01:48:26,266 --> 01:48:26,800
And you can just

2192
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:27,866
ideate on things.

2193
01:48:27,866 --> 01:48:28,833
So just learn

2194
01:48:28,833 --> 01:48:29,866
things, for example.

2195
01:48:30,266 --> 01:48:30,766
Love that.

2196
01:48:30,933 --> 01:48:32,566
I wish I was a kid and

2197
01:48:32,566 --> 01:48:33,866
learning about history

2198
01:48:34,033 --> 01:48:35,600
and I'd probably be wanting to

2199
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:36,666
play video games really,

2200
01:48:37,100 --> 01:48:38,266
as an older guy,

2201
01:48:38,266 --> 01:48:39,833
I started getting into more

2202
01:48:39,833 --> 01:48:41,100
history kind of stuff,

2203
01:48:41,100 --> 01:48:42,566
but in documentaries, but

2204
01:48:42,566 --> 01:48:43,833
fascinating kind of tools.

2205
01:48:44,033 --> 01:48:44,699
Anyway, what's next?

2206
01:48:45,533 --> 01:48:46,033
I mean, on that note,

2207
01:48:46,033 --> 01:48:47,133
we did test out the

2208
01:48:47,133 --> 01:48:47,933
Apple Intelligence.

2209
01:48:47,966 --> 01:48:49,066
So for our Apple

2210
01:48:49,066 --> 01:48:49,733
users out there,

2211
01:48:50,466 --> 01:48:52,100
new updates for your phones,

2212
01:48:52,166 --> 01:48:53,533
system-wide writing tools,

2213
01:48:54,466 --> 01:48:56,066
updates to the image engine.

2214
01:48:57,033 --> 01:48:58,133
Now you've got iOS,

2215
01:48:58,533 --> 01:49:01,733
the actual M2s and M3s

2216
01:49:01,733 --> 01:49:03,866
and below getting AI updates

2217
01:49:03,866 --> 01:49:04,600
into their systems.

2218
01:49:05,166 --> 01:49:05,666
New Mac mini

2219
01:49:05,666 --> 01:49:07,933
releases have been announced

2220
01:49:09,066 --> 01:49:10,866
and a myriad of more updates.

2221
01:49:11,133 --> 01:49:11,666
So for all the

2222
01:49:11,666 --> 01:49:12,899
Apple users out there,

2223
01:49:12,899 --> 01:49:13,899
get on it, there's a lot of

2224
01:49:13,899 --> 01:49:14,699
really cool things

2225
01:49:15,466 --> 01:49:16,533
that have been released.

2226
01:49:16,633 --> 01:49:17,066
Obviously not the

2227
01:49:17,066 --> 01:49:18,233
full fledged of AI tools

2228
01:49:18,366 --> 01:49:19,533
that Apple was

2229
01:49:19,533 --> 01:49:22,366
promoting during their initial,

2230
01:49:23,233 --> 01:49:23,866
initial promotions

2231
01:49:23,866 --> 01:49:25,533
of the 16 release.

2232
01:49:26,333 --> 01:49:28,433
But 18.2 comes with a lot of

2233
01:49:28,433 --> 01:49:29,433
really exciting updates.

2234
01:49:32,666 --> 01:49:33,133
Meta. Meta.

2235
01:49:33,399 --> 01:49:34,133
Meta is an interesting,

2236
01:49:34,466 --> 01:49:35,066
has an interesting

2237
01:49:35,066 --> 01:49:35,933
thing that's come out.

2238
01:49:35,933 --> 01:49:37,833
Obviously they are playing in

2239
01:49:37,833 --> 01:49:39,633
the open source battlefield

2240
01:49:39,966 --> 01:49:41,066
of LVAI and they've just

2241
01:49:41,066 --> 01:49:43,466
released a open version

2242
01:49:43,666 --> 01:49:44,466
of, I guess, Google

2243
01:49:44,466 --> 01:49:45,300
Podcast Generator.

2244
01:49:46,633 --> 01:49:47,666
I haven't personally had a

2245
01:49:47,666 --> 01:49:49,000
chance to play with this.

2246
01:49:49,433 --> 01:49:50,133
It takes a bit

2247
01:49:50,133 --> 01:49:51,066
of effort to use.

2248
01:49:51,066 --> 01:49:51,899
It's not something that you can

2249
01:49:51,899 --> 01:49:53,666
just turn on your browser

2250
01:49:53,666 --> 01:49:54,733
and start, this is actually a

2251
01:49:54,733 --> 01:49:56,699
downloadable piece

2252
01:49:56,699 --> 01:49:57,966
of technology you have run

2253
01:49:57,966 --> 01:49:59,100
locally on your system.

2254
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:01,399
And essentially very, very

2255
01:50:01,399 --> 01:50:03,066
similar to Google's LM,

2256
01:50:04,500 --> 01:50:06,333
pod, iPod, sorry,

2257
01:50:06,566 --> 01:50:07,733
podcasting tool.

2258
01:50:08,433 --> 01:50:09,333
You can actually run that

2259
01:50:09,333 --> 01:50:10,666
locally on your system now.

2260
01:50:10,666 --> 01:50:12,533
So for users who have obviously

2261
01:50:12,533 --> 01:50:13,733
security concerns,

2262
01:50:14,266 --> 01:50:14,633
don't wanna be

2263
01:50:14,633 --> 01:50:15,533
sharing data out there

2264
01:50:15,633 --> 01:50:16,500
with their AI tools,

2265
01:50:16,966 --> 01:50:18,433
running a local version

2266
01:50:18,533 --> 01:50:22,000
of this podcast generator tool

2267
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:23,399
really helps you

2268
01:50:23,866 --> 01:50:24,500
provide that security

2269
01:50:24,500 --> 01:50:25,199
benefits that you want.

2270
01:50:25,233 --> 01:50:26,266
Yeah, and even like with

2271
01:50:26,266 --> 01:50:27,399
Google's Notebook LM,

2272
01:50:27,733 --> 01:50:30,633
the OG of the, well, they're

2273
01:50:30,633 --> 01:50:31,333
not really the OG.

2274
01:50:31,766 --> 01:50:32,366
And they're still

2275
01:50:32,366 --> 01:50:33,066
standing out as better.

2276
01:50:33,466 --> 01:50:35,666
So OG and still better, but.

2277
01:50:35,733 --> 01:50:36,833
No, no, no, no, what I was

2278
01:50:36,833 --> 01:50:37,366
saying was like,

2279
01:50:38,366 --> 01:50:39,666
I haven't played

2280
01:50:39,666 --> 01:50:40,066
around with that,

2281
01:50:40,066 --> 01:50:40,866
so I don't know if it's better,

2282
01:50:40,866 --> 01:50:42,266
but I was just correcting

2283
01:50:42,266 --> 01:50:43,566
myself on saying OG.

2284
01:50:43,566 --> 01:50:44,366
Because like, you

2285
01:50:44,366 --> 01:50:45,766
know, 80D folks means

2286
01:50:45,766 --> 01:50:46,833
that as soon as words come out

2287
01:50:46,833 --> 01:50:47,566
of your mouth as well,

2288
01:50:47,566 --> 01:50:48,699
at least to me, I'm already

2289
01:50:48,699 --> 01:50:49,833
thinking about the things

2290
01:50:49,833 --> 01:50:50,866
that are maybe wrong with it.

2291
01:50:51,233 --> 01:50:52,733
In any case, I can see people

2292
01:50:52,733 --> 01:50:53,666
picking up on like the whole,

2293
01:50:53,899 --> 01:50:54,933
hey, he's saying OG, but

2294
01:50:54,933 --> 01:50:55,933
there's all this other stuff.

2295
01:50:55,933 --> 01:50:57,199
And there were definitely other

2296
01:50:57,199 --> 01:50:58,433
podcast type tools

2297
01:50:58,566 --> 01:50:59,766
using generative AI

2298
01:50:59,766 --> 01:51:01,033
to come out there.

2299
01:51:01,033 --> 01:51:01,733
It's just that Google,

2300
01:51:02,366 --> 01:51:03,133
I think they're the OG

2301
01:51:03,266 --> 01:51:03,866
because they're the

2302
01:51:03,866 --> 01:51:04,833
ones that really took it

2303
01:51:04,833 --> 01:51:06,733
to that next hemisphere by

2304
01:51:06,733 --> 01:51:08,033
making it sound so realistic.

2305
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:10,933
They came out with an upgrade

2306
01:51:10,933 --> 01:51:12,000
to the original tool

2307
01:51:12,166 --> 01:51:13,266
that they provided, which was

2308
01:51:13,266 --> 01:51:14,266
that you can actually

2309
01:51:14,766 --> 01:51:16,666
give context to what it is.

2310
01:51:16,666 --> 01:51:17,766
So it not only reads the

2311
01:51:17,766 --> 01:51:19,166
documents, the YouTube video,

2312
01:51:19,166 --> 01:51:21,633
the website or notes of what

2313
01:51:21,633 --> 01:51:22,333
you put in there

2314
01:51:22,333 --> 01:51:23,833
and turns it into something,

2315
01:51:23,833 --> 01:51:24,800
even if those notes

2316
01:51:25,233 --> 01:51:26,300
are nothing more than what I

2317
01:51:26,300 --> 01:51:29,266
did, which was McDonald's,

2318
01:51:29,266 --> 01:51:30,266
McDonald's, Kentucky Fried

2319
01:51:30,266 --> 01:51:32,233
Chicken and a Pizza Hut,

2320
01:51:32,233 --> 01:51:33,233
even if it's just that for

2321
01:51:33,233 --> 01:51:34,333
pages and pages

2322
01:51:35,033 --> 01:51:36,333
and it reasons with it.

2323
01:51:36,333 --> 01:51:37,899
But you can actually give the

2324
01:51:37,899 --> 01:51:41,000
AI podcasters a persona

2325
01:51:41,333 --> 01:51:42,966
like I did one where I'm gonna

2326
01:51:42,966 --> 01:51:43,566
give you notes,

2327
01:51:43,566 --> 01:51:44,833
I'm preparing for a podcast.

2328
01:51:45,666 --> 01:51:47,366
I want you to talk to just me.

2329
01:51:47,366 --> 01:51:49,800
I'm the only listener of this

2330
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:50,966
and it did that.

2331
01:51:50,966 --> 01:51:52,333
And it spoke to me about my

2332
01:51:52,333 --> 01:51:53,466
notes and it told me

2333
01:51:53,466 --> 01:51:54,433
about what was good,

2334
01:51:54,433 --> 01:51:55,199
what was interesting,

2335
01:51:55,199 --> 01:51:56,566
what I should focus on, what

2336
01:51:56,566 --> 01:51:57,733
the heck, right?

2337
01:51:58,133 --> 01:51:59,433
And it's great to

2338
01:51:59,433 --> 01:52:00,966
see that from Meta

2339
01:52:01,233 --> 01:52:02,199
and so great to see

2340
01:52:02,199 --> 01:52:02,566
that they're doing

2341
01:52:02,566 --> 01:52:03,933
all this open source stuff.

2342
01:52:03,933 --> 01:52:05,633
Now, the question mark there is

2343
01:52:05,633 --> 01:52:07,133
that maybe it's

2344
01:52:07,133 --> 01:52:08,166
for another episode, but like

2345
01:52:08,166 --> 01:52:08,866
if they're giving this stuff

2346
01:52:08,966 --> 01:52:09,666
away for free,

2347
01:52:10,399 --> 01:52:11,533
where's the take and stuff?

2348
01:52:11,533 --> 01:52:13,199
But in any case, what

2349
01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:14,366
would be Trojan Horse?

2350
01:52:14,633 --> 01:52:15,300
It'd be awareness on their

2351
01:52:15,300 --> 01:52:15,966
broader products

2352
01:52:15,966 --> 01:52:16,766
that they are really.

2353
01:52:16,766 --> 01:52:17,366
So maybe think about

2354
01:52:17,366 --> 01:52:18,500
with their glasses,

2355
01:52:19,133 --> 01:52:20,933
their AR, VR tools that they're

2356
01:52:20,933 --> 01:52:21,566
coming out with,

2357
01:52:22,199 --> 01:52:22,699
it's putting huge

2358
01:52:22,699 --> 01:52:23,733
awareness on those things.

2359
01:52:23,866 --> 01:52:25,033
It is pretty crazy and stuff.

2360
01:52:25,533 --> 01:52:26,033
What's out there?

2361
01:52:26,033 --> 01:52:26,466
What do you got

2362
01:52:26,466 --> 01:52:26,966
on the screen now?

2363
01:52:27,433 --> 01:52:28,333
This is a pretty cool tool.

2364
01:52:28,333 --> 01:52:29,433
This is a recraft.

2365
01:52:29,666 --> 01:52:30,766
So they've been, I think this

2366
01:52:30,766 --> 01:52:33,366
has been pushed out,

2367
01:52:33,633 --> 01:52:34,333
well, sorry, this has been

2368
01:52:34,333 --> 01:52:35,133
promoted in the market

2369
01:52:35,133 --> 01:52:36,500
as a coming out tool for a

2370
01:52:36,500 --> 01:52:37,433
while called Panda.

2371
01:52:38,966 --> 01:52:40,333
And essentially it's an image

2372
01:52:40,333 --> 01:52:41,000
generator tool.

2373
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:41,500
And it's like,

2374
01:52:41,500 --> 01:52:42,733
it's pretty awesome.

2375
01:52:42,733 --> 01:52:43,633
It does a pretty good job.

2376
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:44,766
I thought I'd jump in and just

2377
01:52:44,766 --> 01:52:46,199
show you a few fun things

2378
01:52:47,133 --> 01:52:48,566
around what you can do in it.

2379
01:52:48,566 --> 01:52:49,933
I won't spend too much time

2380
01:52:49,933 --> 01:52:51,233
creating my own things,

2381
01:52:51,233 --> 01:52:52,633
but so essentially

2382
01:52:52,633 --> 01:52:54,166
it's, you're in a canvas,

2383
01:52:54,566 --> 01:52:56,466
you're able to generate images.

2384
01:52:56,833 --> 01:52:58,166
So almost photo

2385
01:52:58,166 --> 01:52:59,133
realistic images.

2386
01:52:59,133 --> 01:52:59,866
So this is actually,

2387
01:52:59,866 --> 01:53:00,833
this is the example

2388
01:53:01,166 --> 01:53:01,766
that the tool

2389
01:53:01,766 --> 01:53:02,866
provides you to show you.

2390
01:53:02,866 --> 01:53:03,533
It's like Miro or

2391
01:53:03,533 --> 01:53:04,199
Figma or something.

2392
01:53:04,199 --> 01:53:04,533
Yeah, it's kind

2393
01:53:04,533 --> 01:53:04,899
of like a little

2394
01:53:04,899 --> 01:53:06,433
Miro Figma canvas board that

2395
01:53:06,433 --> 01:53:07,300
you can generate

2396
01:53:07,300 --> 01:53:08,233
your images in.

2397
01:53:08,566 --> 01:53:10,266
You can then even add specific

2398
01:53:10,266 --> 01:53:11,533
color palettes to it,

2399
01:53:11,533 --> 01:53:13,633
which it does predict, it can

2400
01:53:13,633 --> 01:53:14,633
make some assumptions for it,

2401
01:53:14,633 --> 01:53:15,433
or you can customize

2402
01:53:15,433 --> 01:53:16,233
and build your own.

2403
01:53:16,899 --> 01:53:18,500
You can then upscale the image.

2404
01:53:18,733 --> 01:53:20,066
You can expand out the width.

2405
01:53:20,500 --> 01:53:21,266
If people aren't

2406
01:53:21,266 --> 01:53:22,066
seeing this online,

2407
01:53:22,266 --> 01:53:23,033
like, I'm sorry, if you're

2408
01:53:23,033 --> 01:53:23,633
watching on the,

2409
01:53:23,733 --> 01:53:24,566
listening on the podcast,

2410
01:53:24,766 --> 01:53:25,466
if you can watch on the

2411
01:53:25,466 --> 01:53:26,333
podcast, I'd be amazed.

2412
01:53:26,533 --> 01:53:29,566
Anyway, there is some fantastic

2413
01:53:29,566 --> 01:53:31,066
photo realistic images

2414
01:53:31,066 --> 01:53:31,899
and stuff here.

2415
01:53:31,899 --> 01:53:32,466
When you had that

2416
01:53:32,466 --> 01:53:33,033
other one before

2417
01:53:33,033 --> 01:53:34,100
where you can change the style,

2418
01:53:34,433 --> 01:53:35,533
there's always been a huge

2419
01:53:35,533 --> 01:53:37,066
problem of like these tools.

2420
01:53:37,100 --> 01:53:39,233
You can like brush over, and

2421
01:53:39,233 --> 01:53:40,066
that was a new feature,

2422
01:53:40,066 --> 01:53:41,033
brush over to change

2423
01:53:41,033 --> 01:53:41,766
things in the image,

2424
01:53:41,766 --> 01:53:42,733
but the overall style,

2425
01:53:42,733 --> 01:53:43,699
you had to redo

2426
01:53:43,699 --> 01:53:44,733
something from scratch.

2427
01:53:45,266 --> 01:53:45,566
Exactly.

2428
01:53:45,833 --> 01:53:46,666
And now you can actually

2429
01:53:46,666 --> 01:53:47,633
restyle and stuff.

2430
01:53:47,766 --> 01:53:48,666
So I've created,

2431
01:53:48,666 --> 01:53:49,666
I've put in a picture

2432
01:53:49,666 --> 01:53:51,033
of a soldier riding on a pony,

2433
01:53:51,500 --> 01:53:52,566
and there it is, it

2434
01:53:52,566 --> 01:53:53,600
generated that image.

2435
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:54,333
And I'm like, okay, well,

2436
01:53:54,333 --> 01:53:54,766
I want to do some

2437
01:53:54,766 --> 01:53:56,133
customizations to it.

2438
01:53:56,766 --> 01:53:57,766
So I kind of, I want

2439
01:53:57,766 --> 01:53:58,633
to change the ratio,

2440
01:53:59,066 --> 01:54:00,800
make it like four by three.

2441
01:54:02,266 --> 01:54:03,533
I want to, This is nuts.

2442
01:54:03,866 --> 01:54:04,533
I want to change the

2443
01:54:04,533 --> 01:54:05,733
color palette a bit.

2444
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:07,433
I'm not happy with this one.

2445
01:54:07,433 --> 01:54:08,633
Let's go roll the dice

2446
01:54:08,633 --> 01:54:09,566
for some more palettes,

2447
01:54:10,266 --> 01:54:10,966
change it to this color.

2448
01:54:10,966 --> 01:54:11,366
This is the kind of stuff that

2449
01:54:11,366 --> 01:54:12,566
you wish that you had.

2450
01:54:12,766 --> 01:54:14,733
Like I was doing projects with

2451
01:54:14,733 --> 01:54:15,833
Mid-Journey before,

2452
01:54:15,833 --> 01:54:17,233
and it was just back and forth,

2453
01:54:17,833 --> 01:54:19,633
tweaking the words just to get

2454
01:54:19,633 --> 01:54:21,866
a somewhat okay kind of

2455
01:54:21,866 --> 01:54:22,600
like output.

2456
01:54:22,966 --> 01:54:24,666
We were doing some NFTs.

2457
01:54:25,300 --> 01:54:26,600
And yeah, look at this.

2458
01:54:26,866 --> 01:54:28,033
They've always regenerated a

2459
01:54:28,033 --> 01:54:28,933
bit of a color scheme

2460
01:54:28,933 --> 01:54:30,199
to a realistic, is

2461
01:54:30,199 --> 01:54:30,866
the request there.

2462
01:54:30,866 --> 01:54:31,633
So many more features

2463
01:54:31,633 --> 01:54:32,666
on screen here folks

2464
01:54:32,666 --> 01:54:33,133
that you can

2465
01:54:33,133 --> 01:54:34,300
actually play around with.

2466
01:54:35,366 --> 01:54:36,699
This is now blending,

2467
01:54:36,699 --> 01:54:37,166
you know what it is?

2468
01:54:37,366 --> 01:54:38,500
This is like bringing the

2469
01:54:38,500 --> 01:54:39,899
traditional world of like,

2470
01:54:39,899 --> 01:54:41,233
we're used to tools where you

2471
01:54:41,233 --> 01:54:42,300
tell it to do something

2472
01:54:42,300 --> 01:54:43,233
and there's all these features

2473
01:54:43,233 --> 01:54:44,266
and you have to tweak things.

2474
01:54:44,766 --> 01:54:47,566
It's bringing that with the AI

2475
01:54:47,566 --> 01:54:49,166
kind of stuff in mind,

2476
01:54:49,366 --> 01:54:50,433
we generate AI in mind.

2477
01:54:50,833 --> 01:54:52,033
So it's a good mix.

2478
01:54:52,300 --> 01:54:53,566
I do wonder like, how do these

2479
01:54:53,566 --> 01:54:54,500
guys compare then

2480
01:54:54,566 --> 01:54:55,966
to what you can do with Adobe?

2481
01:54:56,366 --> 01:54:57,433
And like they were doing a

2482
01:54:57,433 --> 01:54:58,566
whole lot with Photoshop

2483
01:54:58,566 --> 01:54:59,233
and stuff.

2484
01:54:59,333 --> 01:55:00,066
I'm looking forward to seeing

2485
01:55:00,066 --> 01:55:01,633
those more advanced Adobe,

2486
01:55:01,699 --> 01:55:02,766
particularly in the

2487
01:55:02,766 --> 01:55:04,300
video creation space

2488
01:55:04,533 --> 01:55:05,366
where that actually does the

2489
01:55:05,366 --> 01:55:06,566
fill between frames.

2490
01:55:06,899 --> 01:55:08,199
That is, I'm pretty excited.

2491
01:55:08,233 --> 01:55:09,066
Oh yeah, exactly.

2492
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:10,433
You saw that one

2493
01:55:10,433 --> 01:55:11,199
where it's like,

2494
01:55:11,966 --> 01:55:13,466
maybe just draw an arrow or

2495
01:55:13,466 --> 01:55:14,699
whatever for the thing,

2496
01:55:14,699 --> 01:55:15,666
the character or whatever,

2497
01:55:15,666 --> 01:55:16,866
and it runs off

2498
01:55:16,866 --> 01:55:17,600
in that direction.

2499
01:55:17,899 --> 01:55:18,966
Like there's crazy stuff.

2500
01:55:18,966 --> 01:55:19,533
If you're a creator.

2501
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:20,366
They create like

2502
01:55:20,366 --> 01:55:21,233
the first frame

2503
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:22,166
and they were like,

2504
01:55:22,166 --> 01:55:23,066
oh, I want to actually see what

2505
01:55:23,066 --> 01:55:24,000
the character looks like

2506
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:24,800
from this angle.

2507
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:25,066
And they're

2508
01:55:25,066 --> 01:55:25,766
actually the click it

2509
01:55:25,766 --> 01:55:26,500
and it generates

2510
01:55:26,500 --> 01:55:27,300
the different angle.

2511
01:55:27,500 --> 01:55:28,366
You can like spin it around.

2512
01:55:28,399 --> 01:55:28,966
That's so crazy.

2513
01:55:29,733 --> 01:55:31,399
But for artists and people,

2514
01:55:31,399 --> 01:55:32,833
yes, I know that there is a big

2515
01:55:32,833 --> 01:55:33,933
thing on copyright

2516
01:55:34,233 --> 01:55:35,233
and stuff like that.

2517
01:55:35,466 --> 01:55:37,433
But to ignore how useful

2518
01:55:37,433 --> 01:55:38,899
and how easy it is for these

2519
01:55:38,899 --> 01:55:40,733
tools would be crazy.

2520
01:55:40,733 --> 01:55:41,033
Like we were

2521
01:55:41,033 --> 01:55:42,166
talking about Suno before.

2522
01:55:43,733 --> 01:55:45,533
There is artists that are

2523
01:55:45,533 --> 01:55:46,466
actually embracing it.

2524
01:55:46,466 --> 01:55:47,733
Timberland for all my

2525
01:55:47,733 --> 01:55:49,366
nineties, 2000s heads,

2526
01:55:50,133 --> 01:55:51,833
the great producer and stuff is

2527
01:55:51,833 --> 01:55:52,966
lending his beats

2528
01:55:53,233 --> 01:55:54,800
and his music into

2529
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:56,433
Suno for people to use.

2530
01:55:57,066 --> 01:55:57,533
Artists are

2531
01:55:57,533 --> 01:55:58,566
starting to embrace it.

2532
01:55:58,600 --> 01:55:58,800
Awesome.

2533
01:55:59,766 --> 01:56:01,966
Elon Musk's ex, I

2534
01:56:01,966 --> 01:56:03,066
forget her, Grimes.

2535
01:56:03,566 --> 01:56:05,000
Grimes was very early on in

2536
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:06,033
having her music

2537
01:56:06,033 --> 01:56:08,033
like just be made available for

2538
01:56:08,033 --> 01:56:09,166
the AI to be used.

2539
01:56:09,633 --> 01:56:10,733
So crazy stuff out there.

2540
01:56:10,766 --> 01:56:11,233
So I want to show you some

2541
01:56:11,233 --> 01:56:12,066
other uses for this.

2542
01:56:12,066 --> 01:56:12,699
So you can actually create

2543
01:56:12,699 --> 01:56:13,533
mockups for things.

2544
01:56:13,533 --> 01:56:13,800
So you can

2545
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:15,233
upload your own images

2546
01:56:15,466 --> 01:56:17,166
or create your own

2547
01:56:17,166 --> 01:56:18,433
images even in that sense

2548
01:56:18,433 --> 01:56:18,966
with like, you

2549
01:56:18,966 --> 01:56:19,699
know, plain shirts

2550
01:56:19,699 --> 01:56:20,833
and then drop in

2551
01:56:20,833 --> 01:56:21,666
certain designs

2552
01:56:21,666 --> 01:56:22,466
and then ask it to

2553
01:56:22,466 --> 01:56:23,600
layer those designs.

2554
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:24,100
Oh my gosh.

2555
01:56:24,266 --> 01:56:25,133
And it looks so realistic.

2556
01:56:25,366 --> 01:56:26,233
Like it even bends

2557
01:56:26,233 --> 01:56:27,433
the shirt so that it,

2558
01:56:27,933 --> 01:56:29,066
the design on the shirt,

2559
01:56:29,066 --> 01:56:30,233
so that it actually looks like

2560
01:56:30,233 --> 01:56:30,933
it's part of the shirt

2561
01:56:30,933 --> 01:56:31,466
rather than just

2562
01:56:31,466 --> 01:56:32,333
copy and paste it on.

2563
01:56:32,399 --> 01:56:33,033
Exactly right.

2564
01:56:33,300 --> 01:56:34,533
So some other really cool,

2565
01:56:34,533 --> 01:56:35,233
powerful things I love

2566
01:56:35,233 --> 01:56:36,133
is like you can actually do

2567
01:56:36,133 --> 01:56:37,033
vector generation,

2568
01:56:37,500 --> 01:56:38,666
removal backgrounds, like you

2569
01:56:38,666 --> 01:56:39,966
can do in other assets.

2570
01:56:39,966 --> 01:56:40,733
So you can actually create

2571
01:56:40,733 --> 01:56:42,399
really useful tools as well.

2572
01:56:42,866 --> 01:56:43,100
So here are some

2573
01:56:43,100 --> 01:56:44,266
examples of vector images.

2574
01:56:44,500 --> 01:56:44,933
So you can take

2575
01:56:44,933 --> 01:56:45,899
those, download those

2576
01:56:46,233 --> 01:56:47,066
and use them in

2577
01:56:47,066 --> 01:56:47,933
your other designs,

2578
01:56:48,466 --> 01:56:48,833
whether you're

2579
01:56:48,833 --> 01:56:49,433
creating websites

2580
01:56:49,433 --> 01:56:50,333
and need some, you

2581
01:56:50,333 --> 01:56:51,266
know, iconography.

2582
01:56:51,300 --> 01:56:51,966
This is crazy.

2583
01:56:52,266 --> 01:56:53,166
You don't have to just like,

2584
01:56:53,166 --> 01:56:54,266
for some people they only just

2585
01:56:54,266 --> 01:56:55,500
download what's available

2586
01:56:55,500 --> 01:56:57,100
or pay for something to

2587
01:56:57,100 --> 01:56:59,466
actually make icons

2588
01:56:59,666 --> 01:56:59,833
and stuff for their apps.

2589
01:56:59,833 --> 01:57:00,833
Yeah, and usually like this,

2590
01:57:01,366 --> 01:57:01,866
you're paying your

2591
01:57:01,866 --> 01:57:02,633
normal subscription.

2592
01:57:02,866 --> 01:57:03,366
That's nuts.

2593
01:57:03,566 --> 01:57:04,233
I think let's have a look at

2594
01:57:04,233 --> 01:57:05,233
what the cost are for this.

2595
01:57:05,233 --> 01:57:05,866
Obviously I'm in the free

2596
01:57:05,866 --> 01:57:06,366
version right now.

2597
01:57:06,366 --> 01:57:07,233
10 bucks for basic.

2598
01:57:07,266 --> 01:57:08,333
Like for 10 bucks

2599
01:57:08,333 --> 01:57:09,033
for the basic one,

2600
01:57:09,033 --> 01:57:09,866
which obviously gives you a

2601
01:57:09,866 --> 01:57:10,399
limited credit.

2602
01:57:11,033 --> 01:57:12,066
27 per month.

2603
01:57:12,066 --> 01:57:12,433
I mean, if you're

2604
01:57:12,433 --> 01:57:13,566
someone who's full time

2605
01:57:13,733 --> 01:57:14,833
creating content and

2606
01:57:14,833 --> 01:57:15,899
imagery and websites.

2607
01:57:16,666 --> 01:57:17,866
This is, it's such a low cost

2608
01:57:17,866 --> 01:57:19,199
to be able to utilize

2609
01:57:19,199 --> 01:57:20,533
and create some really, really

2610
01:57:20,533 --> 01:57:22,300
fun and interesting designs

2611
01:57:22,533 --> 01:57:23,066
for whatever it

2612
01:57:23,066 --> 01:57:23,500
is you're doing.

2613
01:57:24,033 --> 01:57:24,600
That is nuts.

2614
01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:26,833
Last one on my boat, just on

2615
01:57:26,833 --> 01:57:27,633
the topic of Suno,

2616
01:57:27,633 --> 01:57:29,133
you did mention that some of

2617
01:57:29,133 --> 01:57:29,933
these large creators

2618
01:57:29,933 --> 01:57:31,100
are sharing stuff out.

2619
01:57:31,133 --> 01:57:32,466
Well, a recent

2620
01:57:32,466 --> 01:57:33,233
update that they've done,

2621
01:57:33,233 --> 01:57:34,133
which I thought was really,

2622
01:57:34,133 --> 01:57:34,833
really cool now

2623
01:57:34,933 --> 01:57:37,266
is the ability to create what

2624
01:57:37,266 --> 01:57:38,366
they're calling personas

2625
01:57:38,433 --> 01:57:38,833
across the

2626
01:57:38,833 --> 01:57:41,366
different, across your assets.

2627
01:57:41,366 --> 01:57:41,699
So essentially

2628
01:57:41,699 --> 01:57:42,533
you could create,

2629
01:57:42,866 --> 01:57:43,566
you could generate

2630
01:57:43,566 --> 01:57:45,199
some kind of nice song.

2631
01:57:45,199 --> 01:57:46,399
If there is a mood or

2632
01:57:46,399 --> 01:57:47,500
a style that you like,

2633
01:57:47,733 --> 01:57:49,066
you can create a persona for

2634
01:57:49,066 --> 01:57:50,333
that particular mood or style

2635
01:57:50,466 --> 01:57:52,066
and then carry that over into

2636
01:57:52,066 --> 01:57:53,000
your other creations.

2637
01:57:53,533 --> 01:57:54,166
So previously if

2638
01:57:54,166 --> 01:57:55,233
you were typing,

2639
01:57:55,466 --> 01:57:56,500
it was like, it was up to how

2640
01:57:56,500 --> 01:57:58,066
you wrote that generator,

2641
01:57:58,333 --> 01:57:58,899
that sort of

2642
01:57:58,899 --> 01:58:00,333
context or that mood

2643
01:58:00,466 --> 01:58:01,433
and that tone for the image.

2644
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:03,033
And it was very difficult to

2645
01:58:03,033 --> 01:58:03,666
then replicate,

2646
01:58:03,666 --> 01:58:04,466
sorry, that for music.

2647
01:58:04,766 --> 01:58:05,300
And it was very

2648
01:58:05,300 --> 01:58:06,366
difficult to replicate that

2649
01:58:06,366 --> 01:58:07,600
across other songs without a

2650
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:08,399
lot of tinkering.

2651
01:58:08,433 --> 01:58:09,866
You had to like copy and paste

2652
01:58:09,866 --> 01:58:11,033
that into the new song

2653
01:58:11,033 --> 01:58:12,566
and sometimes it would just be

2654
01:58:12,566 --> 01:58:13,199
completely different.

2655
01:58:13,433 --> 01:58:14,266
Yeah, just like, you know,

2656
01:58:14,266 --> 01:58:16,033
trying to get open AI

2657
01:58:16,033 --> 01:58:17,133
to generate an image and then

2658
01:58:17,133 --> 01:58:17,699
trying to get that

2659
01:58:17,800 --> 01:58:18,466
similar context

2660
01:58:18,466 --> 01:58:19,100
to the next image.

2661
01:58:19,100 --> 01:58:20,033
It was always a high effort.

2662
01:58:20,033 --> 01:58:21,266
Fine tuning very hard.

2663
01:58:21,833 --> 01:58:22,366
Just like the

2664
01:58:22,366 --> 01:58:23,233
early image tools,

2665
01:58:23,233 --> 01:58:24,466
it was fine tuning was hard,

2666
01:58:24,466 --> 01:58:25,366
but like you showed that now

2667
01:58:25,366 --> 01:58:26,500
fine tuning is getting easier.

2668
01:58:26,500 --> 01:58:27,133
It's super easy.

2669
01:58:27,366 --> 01:58:28,666
And so the same thing with Suno

2670
01:58:28,666 --> 01:58:30,100
now with the personas,

2671
01:58:30,133 --> 01:58:31,300
you could create these similar

2672
01:58:31,300 --> 01:58:32,066
moods and tones

2673
01:58:32,066 --> 01:58:32,833
across all of the different

2674
01:58:32,833 --> 01:58:33,699
songs that you generate.

2675
01:58:35,300 --> 01:58:36,366
So yeah, been pretty cool,

2676
01:58:36,533 --> 01:58:36,866
pretty cool

2677
01:58:36,866 --> 01:58:37,933
update for that one.

2678
01:58:38,266 --> 01:58:38,600
Definitely gonna

2679
01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:39,433
play around with that.

2680
01:58:39,433 --> 01:58:40,566
And if you didn't know like the

2681
01:58:40,566 --> 01:58:42,000
music from this show,

2682
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:44,033
the podcast is the

2683
01:58:44,033 --> 01:58:45,366
intro is from Suno.

2684
01:58:45,766 --> 01:58:45,933
Yes.

2685
01:58:45,933 --> 01:58:47,666
I'm gonna leave you off with a

2686
01:58:47,666 --> 01:58:49,399
couple of cool posts

2687
01:58:49,399 --> 01:58:50,433
from Ethan Mollick, if you're

2688
01:58:50,433 --> 01:58:52,366
not listening to him or sorry,

2689
01:58:52,866 --> 01:58:53,666
listening, watching,

2690
01:58:53,666 --> 01:58:55,033
reading, having the AI,

2691
01:58:55,033 --> 01:58:56,066
you know, create summaries of

2692
01:58:56,066 --> 01:58:57,066
his research and stuff.

2693
01:58:57,266 --> 01:58:58,366
He is at the Wharton School.

2694
01:58:59,333 --> 01:59:00,566
This one here is a post where

2695
01:59:00,566 --> 01:59:01,433
he talks about, he says,

2696
01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:03,899
"We are just not used to

2697
01:59:03,899 --> 01:59:05,199
abundant intelligence

2698
01:59:05,699 --> 01:59:07,566
of a sort of a sort,

2699
01:59:07,833 --> 01:59:09,366
which leads people to miss a

2700
01:59:09,366 --> 01:59:10,466
huge value of AI.

2701
01:59:10,866 --> 01:59:11,966
So don't ask for

2702
01:59:11,966 --> 01:59:13,166
an idea, ask for 30,

2703
01:59:13,166 --> 01:59:15,199
don't ask for a suggestion or

2704
01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:16,300
how to end a sentence,

2705
01:59:16,899 --> 01:59:18,566
ask for 20 in different styles.

2706
01:59:18,566 --> 01:59:19,066
Don't ask for

2707
01:59:19,066 --> 01:59:20,466
advice, ask for strategies,

2708
01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:22,033
pick and modify as

2709
01:59:22,033 --> 01:59:24,100
selected as needed, sorry,

2710
01:59:24,333 --> 01:59:25,399
taste and curation

2711
01:59:25,399 --> 01:59:26,333
are valuable skills."

2712
01:59:26,333 --> 01:59:27,166
So he's talking about

2713
01:59:27,166 --> 01:59:28,866
taking the AI further

2714
01:59:29,133 --> 01:59:30,266
than just going, "Hey, can you

2715
01:59:30,266 --> 01:59:31,500
fix up this email for me?"

2716
01:59:31,866 --> 01:59:34,266
No, do so much more, give it a

2717
01:59:34,266 --> 01:59:35,366
scenario and tell it,

2718
01:59:35,666 --> 01:59:36,533
"I am doing this

2719
01:59:36,533 --> 01:59:38,166
task, these are the things

2720
01:59:38,166 --> 01:59:39,500
that I have to do,

2721
01:59:39,833 --> 01:59:40,833
here is the goals

2722
01:59:40,833 --> 01:59:42,166
and stuff I'm trying to get to,

2723
01:59:42,433 --> 01:59:43,033
here are some

2724
01:59:43,033 --> 01:59:44,133
things I'm thinking of,

2725
01:59:44,433 --> 01:59:45,266
what do you think

2726
01:59:45,266 --> 01:59:46,233
about what I've just said

2727
01:59:46,233 --> 01:59:47,399
and what else could you add?"

2728
01:59:47,766 --> 01:59:48,966
And it will come up with stuff

2729
01:59:48,966 --> 01:59:50,399
where you're like mind blown,

2730
01:59:50,399 --> 01:59:51,500
I didn't even think of that.

2731
01:59:51,833 --> 01:59:52,866
And you know, I've

2732
01:59:52,866 --> 01:59:53,733
been using it for so much

2733
01:59:53,733 --> 01:59:54,300
kind of strategy

2734
01:59:54,300 --> 01:59:55,166
stuff for work,

2735
01:59:55,633 --> 01:59:57,833
even when you take an image of,

2736
01:59:58,266 --> 01:59:59,833
like when I was rebuilding the

2737
01:59:59,833 --> 02:00:00,966
ETF tracker website,

2738
02:00:00,966 --> 02:00:02,066
which is still kind of like a

2739
02:00:02,066 --> 02:00:02,733
work in progress,

2740
02:00:02,733 --> 02:00:03,366
I've just had to

2741
02:00:03,366 --> 02:00:04,133
park for a bit.

2742
02:00:04,666 --> 02:00:06,266
I am able to do things in there

2743
02:00:06,266 --> 02:00:07,166
that I could never do

2744
02:00:07,333 --> 02:00:08,566
as easily in Power BI.

2745
02:00:09,166 --> 02:00:11,433
I am also getting it to go,

2746
02:00:11,433 --> 02:00:12,833
"Here is what I've got so far,

2747
02:00:12,833 --> 02:00:13,199
how would you

2748
02:00:13,199 --> 02:00:14,133
look at this design?"

2749
02:00:14,133 --> 02:00:14,899
And it's what helped

2750
02:00:14,899 --> 02:00:16,066
me improve the design.

2751
02:00:16,533 --> 02:00:17,266
And even to the

2752
02:00:17,266 --> 02:00:17,766
point where I'm like,

2753
02:00:17,766 --> 02:00:18,766
"Here are these features, what

2754
02:00:18,766 --> 02:00:19,533
else would you add?"

2755
02:00:19,533 --> 02:00:20,600
And I'm like, "Oh my God, yeah,

2756
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:21,633
I could do that."

2757
02:00:21,633 --> 02:00:23,233
And then if I wasn't sure,

2758
02:00:23,233 --> 02:00:24,133
before the limit was,

2759
02:00:24,366 --> 02:00:25,733
you knew how it all worked.

2760
02:00:26,199 --> 02:00:27,366
And you're limited by going,

2761
02:00:27,466 --> 02:00:28,466
"Well, okay, I know the tool

2762
02:00:28,466 --> 02:00:29,133
doesn't do that."

2763
02:00:29,533 --> 02:00:30,866
Now, like with what

2764
02:00:30,866 --> 02:00:31,766
I'm doing here, I go,

2765
02:00:31,933 --> 02:00:32,933
not just within the tool,

2766
02:00:32,933 --> 02:00:34,000
but because I'm building from

2767
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:34,766
scratch, right?

2768
02:00:34,766 --> 02:00:36,133
I'm using like open source

2769
02:00:36,133 --> 02:00:38,199
tools and language frameworks

2770
02:00:38,433 --> 02:00:40,199
and TypeScript, JavaScript, et

2771
02:00:40,199 --> 02:00:41,366
cetera, to build something.

2772
02:00:41,733 --> 02:00:43,466
I can just go, "Is this kind of

2773
02:00:43,466 --> 02:00:43,933
thing possible?

2774
02:00:44,300 --> 02:00:44,933
Could you do this?

2775
02:00:45,466 --> 02:00:46,399
I haven't played around with

2776
02:00:46,399 --> 02:00:47,566
the animation stuff yet,

2777
02:00:48,266 --> 02:00:49,366
but I'm gonna do that next."

2778
02:00:49,366 --> 02:00:51,399
It is fricking crazy folks.

2779
02:00:51,699 --> 02:00:53,000
So Ethan is pushing for that.

2780
02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:53,333
And then the

2781
02:00:53,333 --> 02:00:54,733
last thing from him

2782
02:00:55,033 --> 02:00:55,699
before I get to my

2783
02:00:55,699 --> 02:00:56,666
final piece is that

2784
02:00:57,066 --> 02:00:58,333
he's got this research out here

2785
02:00:58,333 --> 02:00:59,500
that he shared.

2786
02:01:00,100 --> 02:01:00,966
It's a big study of

2787
02:01:00,966 --> 02:01:03,199
187,000 developers

2788
02:01:03,733 --> 02:01:05,533
that were using GitHub Copilot

2789
02:01:05,533 --> 02:01:06,899
and how AI transforms

2790
02:01:06,899 --> 02:01:08,833
how they work, right?

2791
02:01:09,633 --> 02:01:10,333
Coders can focus,

2792
02:01:10,333 --> 02:01:11,366
they can do more coding and

2793
02:01:11,366 --> 02:01:11,933
less management,

2794
02:01:11,933 --> 02:01:12,466
which is great.

2795
02:01:12,866 --> 02:01:14,466
Definitely a lot more coding

2796
02:01:14,466 --> 02:01:15,533
and less documentation

2797
02:01:15,766 --> 02:01:16,366
that they have to

2798
02:01:16,366 --> 02:01:17,466
worry about at the end.

2799
02:01:17,466 --> 02:01:18,633
Arturo loves it because this

2800
02:01:18,633 --> 02:01:19,733
thing can just document

2801
02:01:19,733 --> 02:01:20,933
a whole lot of stuff for him.

2802
02:01:21,266 --> 02:01:22,233
And then he was using that

2803
02:01:22,233 --> 02:01:23,733
early on when AI came out

2804
02:01:24,133 --> 02:01:26,033
to question, like he'd

2805
02:01:26,033 --> 02:01:26,800
read the documentation

2806
02:01:27,033 --> 02:01:28,233
and see if it made sense.

2807
02:01:28,233 --> 02:01:29,533
And what it would mean is that

2808
02:01:29,533 --> 02:01:30,633
if the documentation

2809
02:01:30,866 --> 02:01:32,199
that was spat out from the code

2810
02:01:32,199 --> 02:01:33,966
that he got was a bit weird,

2811
02:01:33,966 --> 02:01:35,066
it just meant that he

2812
02:01:35,066 --> 02:01:36,166
needed to explain things

2813
02:01:36,166 --> 02:01:37,866
like better in the code, right?

2814
02:01:37,866 --> 02:01:39,233
Like it led to improvements.

2815
02:01:39,233 --> 02:01:40,733
It's led to improvements for me

2816
02:01:40,733 --> 02:01:42,066
as well in my projects.

2817
02:01:42,066 --> 02:01:43,833
And so really great research

2818
02:01:43,833 --> 02:01:44,933
and insights a whole lot of

2819
02:01:44,933 --> 02:01:45,833
graphs in this one.

2820
02:01:46,699 --> 02:01:47,500
So check that out

2821
02:01:47,500 --> 02:01:48,399
from Ethan Molek.

2822
02:01:48,399 --> 02:01:49,433
And the final piece for me that

2823
02:01:49,433 --> 02:01:50,366
you see on screen here

2824
02:01:50,500 --> 02:01:52,899
is this episode of a podcast

2825
02:01:52,899 --> 02:01:53,466
from Bill Gates

2826
02:01:53,666 --> 02:01:54,866
called Unconfuse Me.

2827
02:01:55,166 --> 02:01:56,300
He's got Sam Altman

2828
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as his guest on here.

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And what was really interesting

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is that Sam's talking past

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the whole, you know, everyone's

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talking about AGI

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and when we're gonna get to it,

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this is like, okay,

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02:02:06,366 --> 02:02:07,266
we're gonna get to that.

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What happens next?

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02:02:08,633 --> 02:02:10,399
And he's talking about, and

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02:02:10,399 --> 02:02:11,566
it's great insights here,

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02:02:11,966 --> 02:02:13,600
the things that we could see,

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02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:14,800
like you could just tell

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the AI, okay, I actually want

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02:02:16,100 --> 02:02:17,000
you to spin up a company

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02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:18,199
and I want it to do this.

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02:02:18,733 --> 02:02:19,833
And, or I want you to do this

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02:02:19,833 --> 02:02:20,800
piece of research, go.

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02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:21,533
And it will just

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02:02:21,533 --> 02:02:22,266
go off and do it.

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02:02:22,366 --> 02:02:23,533
And it will be far more

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02:02:23,533 --> 02:02:24,800
creative, reliable.

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02:02:25,133 --> 02:02:25,733
And like, you know, there's

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02:02:25,733 --> 02:02:27,033
been AGI, not AGI,

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02:02:27,033 --> 02:02:28,100
there's been agentic

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02:02:28,100 --> 02:02:29,033
workflow out there,

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02:02:29,033 --> 02:02:30,266
but it's been hit and miss.

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02:02:30,266 --> 02:02:31,333
And a lot of the demos only

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02:02:31,333 --> 02:02:32,366
show the good sides,

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02:02:32,366 --> 02:02:33,399
not the downsides, right?

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02:02:34,133 --> 02:02:34,766
He's saying that we

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02:02:34,766 --> 02:02:35,833
get to that world where

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02:02:36,166 --> 02:02:37,500
you can just leave it be and

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02:02:37,500 --> 02:02:38,966
the AI will do something now.

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02:02:39,300 --> 02:02:40,033
It opens up a

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02:02:40,033 --> 02:02:40,933
whole can of worms.

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02:02:40,933 --> 02:02:42,033
And if you want to dive into

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02:02:42,033 --> 02:02:43,266
more of that kind of stuff,

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02:02:43,699 --> 02:02:44,766
watch our last episode.

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02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:46,033
Sounds good.

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02:02:46,933 --> 02:02:47,866
That's it from me, man.

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02:02:48,333 --> 02:02:48,699
Love it.

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02:02:49,233 --> 02:02:49,766
Great episode.

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02:02:50,933 --> 02:02:51,766
Next week, what we're going to

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02:02:51,766 --> 02:02:52,433
probably dive into

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02:02:52,433 --> 02:02:53,633
is a little bit more on

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02:02:53,633 --> 02:02:54,966
comparison for

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02:02:54,966 --> 02:02:57,066
our coding tools.

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02:02:57,066 --> 02:02:58,233
I really want to dive into Bolt

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02:02:58,233 --> 02:02:58,766
and some of their

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02:02:58,766 --> 02:02:59,766
new latest updates.

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02:02:59,766 --> 02:03:00,100
I wanted to

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02:03:00,100 --> 02:03:01,100
compare that to Ford

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02:03:01,100 --> 02:03:02,466
and how it's able to generate,

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02:03:03,133 --> 02:03:03,533
particularly on

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02:03:03,533 --> 02:03:04,300
its prototyping.

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02:03:04,300 --> 02:03:05,333
I've been having a lot of fun

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02:03:05,766 --> 02:03:06,433
playing around with the

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02:03:06,433 --> 02:03:07,500
prototyping aspects

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02:03:07,500 --> 02:03:08,566
of both of these tools

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02:03:08,566 --> 02:03:09,166
and how it can

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02:03:09,166 --> 02:03:10,100
advance your thinking.

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02:03:10,100 --> 02:03:10,766
So I'd love to do a bit of

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02:03:10,766 --> 02:03:11,766
comparison around that.

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02:03:12,199 --> 02:03:12,399
Absolutely.

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02:03:12,833 --> 02:03:13,699
And yeah, we'll keep you

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02:03:13,699 --> 02:03:14,833
updated on the latest news.

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02:03:15,966 --> 02:03:16,333
Signing out.

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02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:17,600
See you there folks. Bye.