Ep 28 | Accelerating AI Innovation - Google, Claude and Meta level things up

In the latest Digital Nexus podcast, we talk about all things AI from the national radio station using undisclosed AI announcers and the low levels of trust in AI among Australians. We also cover the necessity of AI education contrasted by recent AI policy changes and their potential impacts on journalism and news accuracy. 

We also cover an upcoming UX and AI course from Chris, and some highlights on revamped the Sike knowledge management tool from Mark.

TIMELINE
0:00 - Intros and wrap ups of what Chris and Mark have been up to during the week
4:46 - New masterclass on UX from Chris with Matt Barry 
9:52 - Internet of Bugs video on the Indie Product Dev problem
12:45 - DJ that wasn't real
14:44 - AI trust in Australia is low
18:45 - Trump executive orders on AI in the US, a positive?
20:26 - AI versus journalists
27:55 - Perplexity and their agentic search browser
28:34 - Gemini's new AI App - editing photos as a new feature
29:51 - Google throwing ads into chat
32:45 - Gemini adding GitHub app for coders
34:06 - Claude Code updates 
37:50 - Meta launching their own AI app too 
41:07 - Amazon and Nova Premier
41:45 - Suna AI an alternative to Manus
45:20 - Juno updates
47:20 - LM Arena gaming the system? 
52:36 - Revamped Sike.ai preview

LINKS
 AI Radio Host Unveiled in Sydney - https://cybernews.com/ai-news/australian-radio-host-artificial-intelligence/ 

 Australia's AI Trust Deficit Highlighted - https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/falling-behind-new-report-reveals-big-ai-wake-up-call-for-australia/news-story/5f866a86d1223e899d9eac4aa732594f 

Public Skepticism Grows Over AI's Role in News Media - https://www.eweek.com/news/americans-ai-news-misinformation-concerns-2025/ 

Nvidia CEO Highlights AI's Potential for Energy Efficiency
http://axios.com/newsletters/axios-generate-1b5e56f0-250f-11f0-b6ba-9be1a001b962 

Trump Administration Moves to Accelerate AI Innovation - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/29/donald-trump-executive-orders-signed-list 

Meta Launches Standalone AI App to Compete with ChatGPT - https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/meta-launches-standalone-ai-app-to-take-on-chatgpt.html  

Google Ads and AI - https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/01/google-is-reportedly-showing-ads-in-chats-with-some-third-party-ai-chatbots/ 

Claude Code - https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-3-7-sonnet 

Amazon Nova: https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/30/amazon-launches-nova-premier-its-largest-ai-model-yet/

Accusing AI Labs of gaming benchmarks: https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/30/study-accuses-lm-arena-of-helping-top-ai-labs-game-its-benchmark/

Google Gemini gets image updates:  can now edit images in app - https://bgr.com/tech/gemini-ai-app-can-now-edit-all-your-photos-and-thats-not-even-the-best-new-feature/

Manus competitor Suna is here, and it's free / Opensource https://dev.to/fallon_jimmy/suna-ai-freeopen-source-alternative-to-manus-cbg



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Other Links
🎙️our podcast links here: https://digitalnexuspodcast.com/
👤Chris on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/pcsinclair/
👤Mark on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/markmonfort/
👤 Mark on Twitter - https://twitter.com/captdefi

SHOWNOTE LINKS
🔗 SIKE - https://sike.ai/
🌐Digital Village - https://digitalvillage.network/
🌐NotCentralised - https://www.notcentralised.com/

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@DigitalNexusPodcast
X (twitter): @DigitalNexus

Transcript

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So this is Digital Nexus

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episode 29, isn't it Chris?

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What's going on?

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Is it?

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Oh my god.

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We're almost at 30.

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The big three-o.

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I know.

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When, what happened when you turned 30?

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How wild was that?

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It wasn't that wild.

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That was pretty, I'm not a self-party

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influence type person.

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I'm like, "Eh, Tirtha, let's go have some

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beers at the pub with a

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couple of close friends."

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Yes, that you do.

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I'm pretty sure we

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knew each other when I,

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yeah, we go way back into our...

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2012.

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20s.

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Probably like 20s, I think.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, like whatever that is, like 20s.

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How's your wig been?

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Tell me about what's going on.

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How we officially started?

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Is this kicking off?

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Yeah, it's kicking off.

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Kicking off.

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It's been good.

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We had our Oz Day 5 event

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on the, what do you call it?

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Yeah, I went up in front of

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everyone for the first time.

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I'm usually the guy in

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the background hiding.

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I'm recording all these podcasts.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I'm going to bring it up on the screen

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here so that the

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lovely people can see it.

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But it was a rare, rare moment that Chris

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is actually up on the screen.

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Did you actually take a

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recording or a picture of me?

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Yeah.

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I was so...

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I got lost for a moment when I stood up

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in front of the crowd because

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I'm obviously sitting in the background

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doing a lot of the recordings.

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And then I'm

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transitioning, oh, great face there.

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And I'm transitioning all the, between

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the slides and the cameras

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in the presentation format.

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And I had realized just as I went to

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stand up and talk to everyone,

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that I hadn't pressed the button to show

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my slide for people who

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were streaming or in the...

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You're up there.

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So you're up there and I'm presenting,

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pretty much, I'm presenting

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something that's on screen,

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but no one else can see it.

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None of the people who are on the stream,

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everyone, as you're seeing now,

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I'm talking to

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something, no one can see it.

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And so my brain was saying to myself, "Oh

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no, I haven't transitioned."

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And like, "Oh no, I've forgotten what I

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need to say in front of

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everyone in the crowd."

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So I got a little tongue twisted as my

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brain was ADHD multitasking.

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Yeah, men can multitask.

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That is true.

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But it was good.

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We'll throw the QR code up because you

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had something really important,

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especially for the people here.

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We'll show that later, which is the

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masterclass that you're doing.

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So anyone that's into the UX, UI stuff.

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And then also as part of

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the, I think last month,

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well, it's not even last month, it's the

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same month in April.

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We did two events at the start of the

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month and at the end, which is rare,

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but we did Studio Ghibli for

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all the different speakers.

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This time it's these, I don't even know

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what these capsule characters are.

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Ushis, because it reminds me of like

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those little Ushi

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things you can get from,

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Woolies had the Ushi series where you

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could collect all the

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different Marvel characters.

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My daughter's obsessed

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with those little toys.

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So I've called them little Ushis.

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That's what I've been calling them.

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Let's call it that.

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That's exactly what it is.

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So the little Ushis, there's little Chris

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with his little legs and there's Mark,

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because I'm definitely

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taller than you in real life.

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I showed it to my wife and she was like,

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"Everyone else looks like an adult.

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You look like a child.

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Why do you look like a child?"

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Specifically put in the prompt man boy.

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So yeah.

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And I've got like little eyes, I guess,

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with my sort of Estonian

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or like Eastern European

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appearance.

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And my wife just looked at it and she's

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like, "Oh, I forgot you have blue eyes."

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I'm like, "Oh, thanks, babe.

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This doesn't even realize I

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have the bright blue eyes.

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Just whatever.

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Whatever.

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That's okay.

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How long have we been together?

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Yeah.

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You know, the AI can help you with the

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counseling that you're

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going to need after this.

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So that's okay.

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That's right.

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So episode 29, I guess, actually before

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we get into it, like what else have you

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been up to yourself?

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Well, I mean, you kind of hinted at it.

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So one of the big things of a couple of

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things are working on two

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big startups that I'm trying to

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kick off.

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Really excited.

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I've just been out of partner with a dev

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guy to help bring one of our

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virtual AI tools that we're

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building to life.

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So we're going to rapidly go into MVP

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development and hopefully

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get it in front of a bunch of

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customers and using a lot of AI and

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agents to fast track and

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bring everything to life.

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So I'm pretty excited about that.

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And I think what I'll start doing, just

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like you have been doing a

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bit of like an entrepreneurial

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founder kind of sharing a journey across

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social media over the

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next few months and beyond.

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And in a similar vein, you know, I don't

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like to do things one at a

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time, just like yourself,

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doubling up in doing things in the

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startup and entrepreneurial way.

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I'm also kicking off a well, I've started

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to put together the

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framework for a masterclass with a

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very, very smart UX colleague, friend,

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friend and business partner, Matt Barry.

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So him and I building a masterclass

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specifically around UX, but also looking

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at how AI applies to

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that, the work that you do, because we

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know in the product space and

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the design space and then the

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content space, even AI is rapidly taking

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over how you do things and

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the processes that you go

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through to develop things.

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And there's not a lot of talk in

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particular in the UX based on how that

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applies to people in our

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in our specialty.

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So we're creating a masterclass series,

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which will help level up

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the skill set of those people

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within the product within the UX within

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even the design space,

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level up your skills from a

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traditional UX space, but also how how

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can AI support and elevate

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the work that you're doing in

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there. So I'll just take over your screen

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quickly. Because we're doing things a

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little bit differently

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here today, online, which is my fault.

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Let me share this you can

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see here. So this is a bit

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of an early sign up page is where we're

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going through the proper

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processes of building the

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startup up and we're building out

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awareness and starting to share content

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and share ideas and get

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validation of it. So we're looking to

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unlock that AI driven

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masterclass. It's coming soon.

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You know, we're upgrading UX skills,

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getting AI smart fast and

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shipping ideas three times

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quicker, you know, you probably even

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probably put 10 times quicker now with

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the way that we're going

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to be doing things. But there's going to

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be value driven content, you

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know, we're going to have a

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one to one mentoring with people with

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this processes, we're

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going to do provide a lot of

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assets and even free tools to help them

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tools being AI tools for

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it's like sign ups to special

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tools, whether it's things like Claude or

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open AI, we'll have some

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special content for that. And

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even have given the ability to do a lot

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of rapid prototyping and

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coding with vibe coding and even

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partnering with people like yourself to

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help train people on how they can, you

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know, code better to

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create prototypes in a more meaningful

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way. And like, Mark, you've

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got a lot of experience in that.

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So I'm pretty excited to work with you on

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that piece of the puzzle as well.

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Yeah, absolutely. I think it's going to

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be really cool getting to

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see, you know, the real problems

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that people are facing when it comes to

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these tools, because

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they're rapidly progressing. And

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every day, every week, there's something

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new to try out. It does

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mean, though, that, you know,

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that can be the daunting thing. But the

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positive thing about all of

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that is that it's just getting

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easier to do things like things that were

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impossible, or they

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just would have taken a

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whole lot of time before to do so you put

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it in the basket of I

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can't really touch that unless,

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you know, we're actually going to get

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something out of it. Well,

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now it's it's possible like who

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knew that I would be creating and

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tweaking and modifying, you

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know, various kind of websites

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and adding in AI elements to it. And, you

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know, building out stuff

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for clients like that would

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not have been, you know, I come from an

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analytics and statistics

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background. So that's fine. I'll

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use SQL use Python, I'll do some

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analytics and visualizations.

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But when it comes to like, you

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know, HTML, take me back to uni days in,

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you know, the early 2000s, I

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don't do that kind of stuff,

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you know, but now you can, because

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that's it. The skill set that you built

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up with building up your

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SQL and other data sets to be

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able to do a lot of that foundational

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work in whether it's

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finance accounting, etc, whatever

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the data sets that you're manipulating

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are really strong foundation to be able

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to understand how you

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can do a lot of the basic coding that

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you're that you're looking at.

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Because it kind of puts you in

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that out of the box thinking around how

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do I solve this problem?

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Utilizing a language that I

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don't really, you know, I don't use on a

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day to day basis. So that

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is that is a really powerful

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skill that you've been able to build up

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that helps you with a lot of

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this. And that's why I think

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it's going to be even more important for

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you to share that out with

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people around how they can

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think in that way to be able to do things

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with a toolset or with a code

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base that they traditionally

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wouldn't understand. Absolutely. And I

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think it's really important that you

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know, you said it before

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about like getting stuff out there to,

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you know, you're going to MVP really

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quickly and get stuff

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out there to market. And it'll be the

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topic, the main part of the

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weekly blog that I do, because

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there's this guy that I follow, and I'll

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just share my screen here quickly, and

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we'll get to the news.

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But if folks don't know, internet of

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bugs, definitely

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worthwhile watching his content.

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Talks about a whole lot of things in the

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software development space.

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We'll talk about AI, you know,

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from a very pragmatic point of view, not

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overhyped and overselling, like

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recognizes that there is,

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you know, usefulness there. But as we

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know, there has been a lot of

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overhyped, like it's not the

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thing that's going to just do everything.

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But anyway, he talks in

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this not yet, anyway, not yet,

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he talks about the practicality of, well,

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people that, you know,

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they just tinker and tinker,

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and then they don't get stuff in front of

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customers. The problem

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with that is that you

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could head down a path that you see, it's

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this concept of like,

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people always think that in

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writing spaces, that they're going to

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write the next great

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American novel, you know, the next

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Catcher in the Rye, or the next To Kill a

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Mockingbird, that kind of

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thing. And unless you're

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actually getting in front of people and

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getting that feedback and

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getting, you know, punched in

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the face, as Mike Tyson's quote puts it,

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it's not the right thing.

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So at the very best, like you

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would even just get an idea, nothing, you

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know, more built for just

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seeing if an idea is there.

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But sometimes you've got to balance it

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with actually building,

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like you guys are doing

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an MVP, so people can actually picture

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it. But really great video,

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I'm going to dive into more

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of that in my weekly newsletter that will

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go out later, it's Friday,

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but this will go out like

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later today. So people are probably

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seeing this and that, you know, this is a

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really past, but still,

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it's a really important thing, like

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you're highlighting there

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is that getting it in front

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of people, it's like, and the process

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that even we're going down

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now with a lot of the startups,

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these businesses that we're trying to

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build is it's not always

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even trying to build something

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straight away, but it's even getting that

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concept of that thinking

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out there. It's like build,

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get that framework set and start putting

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that framework in front

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of people to validate it,

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whether it's on social media, whether

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it's creating a landing

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page, as I saw, and getting

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some early phase startups, while you're

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building things like putting even just

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the concept in front

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of some people to get validation of

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feedback going, Hey, guys,

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this is coming soon. Is this

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something you'd be interested in looking

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at? Or would you support me on this

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journey? That feedback

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alone can be so valuable for a business

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and getting you that

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jumpstart when you build the product.

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Because like I said, if you just build

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the product, and then it

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sits there, and you haven't

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thought about how you're going to get

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into the hands of people,

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you've wasted time, you've wasted

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effort, and potentially wasted a great

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idea that could be in the

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hands of people out there. Or,

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you know, vice versa, it could be a

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terrible idea, and you should

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be pivoting very, very quickly.

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You need to find out soon. And that's the

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point. And exactly. Yeah,

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there'll be cool stuff like

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that. And, you know, built building in

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the open and showcasing

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what we're creating. And I'll

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showcase a bit more and stuff later on.

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But shall we get to the

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news? Did you want to,

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who starts first? I've got a whole bunch

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of types to come through

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to make you you have the

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screen show up and running. So let's kick

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it off with yourself. What have we got?

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Alrighty, the first one is speaking of

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pirates, pirate radio, no,

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no, it's not pirate radio. But

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I don't know if you if you saw this, but

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there was a maybe I

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can't I don't have. Let's do

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Ty Cader radio AI. Let's do a search for

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this because this new

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radio announcer for a national

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radio station was not real. So yeah, I

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have not real here we go.

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Here we go. It's going back to

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the stories of people creating these AI

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personas, putting out there

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and fooling people unless that

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they were open about it or not. It's

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like, oh, no, no, but they

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they modeled it off 11 labs.

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It was modeled after a real employee. So

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they use the real person's

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voice, but not one of the

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presenters. And they said that it's it

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sparked, you know,

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conversations about transparency and

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the role of AI in the media. We've seen

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movie studios do this

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where they they say that, you

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know, this section of this Marvel movie

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is AI generated or even

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advertisements that big brands

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have done, which were AI generated.

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Hopefully not like a Will Smith eating

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spaghetti type thing. But

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then no one knew that this one was I

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think it was for six months or

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so that it was an AI generated

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voice, but pretty amazing. I mean, I've

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even done stuff where using

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11 labs, I got it to clone my

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voice. I didn't think it sounded that

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much like me. But when I did it, and I

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had a transcript create

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video, and I had like a screen share and

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stuff like that, people

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actually thought it was me,

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which is funny, because I could tell the

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difference. But

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others couldn't. They just

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thought I was being a bit more formal,

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because it made the Aussie

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voice sound a bit more English.

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But yeah, I thought it was interesting.

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That said, even when you

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record your voice normally,

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and you play it back through, you know,

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through the speakers, I

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mean, you always you know, how

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you get that feeling? Oh, I sound weird.

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Like, I don't sound like I

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usually would sound. You feel

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like you sound different anyway. And I'm

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not, I feel like I could

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like the voice just from what

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we record and what we watch back on like

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the digital nexus thing. I

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see that and I that's what

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I hear. I understand that one. But this

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one to me, I can tell the

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difference between what 11Labs

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was doing, but that was months ago. Yeah,

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it could have updated now.

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Okay, there you go. Yeah.

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Next one, next one, next one was it's all

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about trust. And it's not

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often that you have news.com

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that I use. So this is like our local

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national news for, I would say, you know,

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just for the ordinary

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folk, like the financial news has the

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Australian Financial Review

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and like the business sections

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of papers. This one's for more of the

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everyday Australian. So it's

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not often that you get an AI

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report, but it's this talk about like

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falling behind your new

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report reveals big wake up call,

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01:15:03,541 --> 01:15:05,416
you know, big headline kind of stuff. And

514
01:15:05,416 --> 01:15:06,458
the report says things

515
01:15:06,458 --> 01:15:09,458
like the trust that we have

516
01:15:09,458 --> 01:15:13,375
in AI. It's not high, basically, I think

517
01:15:13,375 --> 01:15:14,541
it was like 36% of

518
01:15:14,541 --> 01:15:16,333
Australians trust AI and the lowest,

519
01:15:16,750 --> 01:15:19,166
it's the lowest amongst 47 countries. I

520
01:15:19,166 --> 01:15:20,125
was gonna say Australia has

521
01:15:20,125 --> 01:15:20,916
one of those. And I think that

522
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:22,916
trend, we've talked about this before,

523
01:15:22,916 --> 01:15:24,083
it's very representative of

524
01:15:24,083 --> 01:15:26,375
our general mindset within

525
01:15:26,458 --> 01:15:29,208
business in particular, we're a very risk

526
01:15:29,208 --> 01:15:31,666
averse culture within

527
01:15:31,666 --> 01:15:33,125
organizations, particularly medium

528
01:15:33,250 --> 01:15:37,583
to large, like we tend to sway away from

529
01:15:37,583 --> 01:15:39,666
utilizing new trends or

530
01:15:39,666 --> 01:15:41,166
new tools out of whether it's

531
01:15:41,166 --> 01:15:42,791
security, whether it's culture, whether

532
01:15:42,791 --> 01:15:45,000
it's risk, whatever it is, where we're

533
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:45,875
very, we're usually at

534
01:15:45,916 --> 01:15:47,375
in that lower percentage. It's

535
01:15:47,375 --> 01:15:50,416
interesting. And look at this only 24%

536
01:15:51,041 --> 01:15:53,208
had said that they had

537
01:15:53,208 --> 01:15:55,500
formal or informal training in AI,

538
01:15:55,500 --> 01:15:57,750
compared to almost two in

539
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:59,208
five globally, so about 40%

540
01:16:00,041 --> 01:16:02,333
globally, reckon that they've had some

541
01:16:02,333 --> 01:16:03,375
sort of training. And you

542
01:16:03,375 --> 01:16:04,750
see things like in China,

543
01:16:04,750 --> 01:16:06,291
that they're they're going to mandate it

544
01:16:06,291 --> 01:16:09,583
through schools, from primary to

545
01:16:09,583 --> 01:16:11,375
secondary and tertiary.

546
01:16:11,416 --> 01:16:13,958
And then also, yes, whilst whilst that's

547
01:16:13,958 --> 01:16:15,083
being said, Adelaide

548
01:16:15,083 --> 01:16:16,750
University, which has just gone

549
01:16:16,750 --> 01:16:19,291
through a merger, they're mandating that

550
01:16:19,291 --> 01:16:20,541
all students have to

551
01:16:20,541 --> 01:16:23,208
take AI courses in 2026.

552
01:16:24,291 --> 01:16:25,958
So soon coming up soon, can't believe

553
01:16:25,958 --> 01:16:27,083
that's that is that an Adelaide

554
01:16:27,083 --> 01:16:27,875
government or Adelaide

555
01:16:27,875 --> 01:16:30,000
University? Adelaide University, Adelaide

556
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,458
University, right? Yeah, yeah. So that's,

557
01:16:32,458 --> 01:16:34,708
that's interesting, you know, that there

558
01:16:34,708 --> 01:16:36,583
are some pockets of these

559
01:16:36,583 --> 01:16:37,875
mandates and push. We've got our

560
01:16:37,916 --> 01:16:40,583
friend at Macquarie University, the head

561
01:16:40,583 --> 01:16:41,791
of AI there, Phil

562
01:16:41,791 --> 01:16:43,875
Laffenberg, he's from the blockchain

563
01:16:43,875 --> 01:16:46,166
and also AI communities. And, you know,

564
01:16:46,166 --> 01:16:47,791
he's that the fact that they

565
01:16:47,791 --> 01:16:49,833
have a role that is like head

566
01:16:49,875 --> 01:16:53,041
of AI, speaks volumes as to like, you

567
01:16:53,041 --> 01:16:54,333
know, the the push forward,

568
01:16:54,583 --> 01:16:55,916
and you see what the other unis

569
01:16:55,916 --> 01:16:57,333
are trying to do as well. I just hope

570
01:16:57,333 --> 01:16:58,666
that we see more of this innovation,

571
01:16:58,666 --> 01:17:00,208
because this is too low,

572
01:17:00,583 --> 01:17:02,916
the education stuff, it's, it's massively

573
01:17:02,916 --> 01:17:04,791
missing a trick. And so there's more

574
01:17:04,791 --> 01:17:06,125
that, yeah, needs to

575
01:17:06,166 --> 01:17:07,750
be done there. So I mean, if you look at

576
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:08,541
what's happening, you

577
01:17:08,541 --> 01:17:10,250
mentioned what's happening in China,

578
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,208
particularly out of places like Hong

579
01:17:14,208 --> 01:17:17,041
Kong. So they China will integrate

580
01:17:17,041 --> 01:17:18,041
artificial intelligence

581
01:17:18,041 --> 01:17:19,666
applications into teaching efforts,

582
01:17:19,666 --> 01:17:22,166
textbooks, and the school curriculum

583
01:17:22,166 --> 01:17:24,708
moving forward. So they

584
01:17:24,833 --> 01:17:26,291
what they've said is that they want they

585
01:17:26,291 --> 01:17:27,583
want to cultivate the basic

586
01:17:27,583 --> 01:17:29,083
abilities of teaching teachers

587
01:17:29,083 --> 01:17:30,916
and students and shape the core

588
01:17:30,916 --> 01:17:33,458
competitiveness and innovative talents,

589
01:17:33,458 --> 01:17:34,916
both in the country and

590
01:17:34,958 --> 01:17:37,291
then globally. So I mean, you're seeing

591
01:17:37,291 --> 01:17:39,583
some people in the states

592
01:17:39,583 --> 01:17:41,541
moving this way, and they're

593
01:17:41,541 --> 01:17:43,375
trying to integrate some stuff, I think

594
01:17:43,375 --> 01:17:46,000
movements in San Fran and California, or

595
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:46,875
California in general,

596
01:17:47,416 --> 01:17:48,916
they're putting some processes in place

597
01:17:48,916 --> 01:17:49,958
to start doing that. But

598
01:17:49,958 --> 01:17:51,000
you're getting a lot of resistance

599
01:17:51,083 --> 01:17:52,625
in a lot of other areas where there's

600
01:17:52,625 --> 01:17:55,458
more traditional right

601
01:17:55,458 --> 01:17:56,375
wing, always get the wrong

602
01:17:56,708 --> 01:17:58,791
ways of thinking in other states as well.

603
01:17:59,250 --> 01:17:59,958
So it's like, it's

604
01:17:59,958 --> 01:18:01,791
interesting, you know, where they're

605
01:18:01,833 --> 01:18:06,000
going to lie on that. You know, within

606
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:07,583
that movement, given some

607
01:18:07,583 --> 01:18:08,375
of the stuff that the rest

608
01:18:08,375 --> 01:18:10,666
of the world is doing China, because they

609
01:18:10,666 --> 01:18:12,083
are, you know, with deep seek in

610
01:18:12,083 --> 01:18:12,916
particular, and other

611
01:18:12,916 --> 01:18:14,125
elements, we'll talk about in a moment,

612
01:18:14,416 --> 01:18:15,791
they're really accelerating what is

613
01:18:15,791 --> 01:18:16,916
possible from an open

614
01:18:16,916 --> 01:18:19,500
source perspective. And even with some of

615
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:20,083
their other businesses

616
01:18:20,083 --> 01:18:21,750
like Alibaba, who are really

617
01:18:21,791 --> 01:18:23,291
trying to step up their game in the

618
01:18:23,291 --> 01:18:24,458
space, there's a lot of

619
01:18:24,458 --> 01:18:25,708
competition coming out of Asia,

620
01:18:26,791 --> 01:18:28,750
that's going to really, you know, set

621
01:18:28,750 --> 01:18:30,083
America back if they don't

622
01:18:30,083 --> 01:18:32,250
start thinking more, you know,

623
01:18:32,791 --> 01:18:33,916
future forward in terms of what's

624
01:18:33,916 --> 01:18:35,833
happening in the AI space. That said,

625
01:18:36,125 --> 01:18:37,791
Trump is putting some

626
01:18:38,041 --> 01:18:39,833
more some further initiatives and some

627
01:18:39,833 --> 01:18:41,166
further, I would say

628
01:18:41,166 --> 01:18:44,000
investment into into that. I don't

629
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,333
know if I think you had something to say

630
01:18:45,333 --> 01:18:46,541
about that as well. Yep.

631
01:18:46,833 --> 01:18:48,541
The executive orders that he

632
01:18:48,541 --> 01:18:50,791
signed so fast. So you've got the

633
01:18:50,791 --> 01:18:54,166
Guardian article here. And as we go, you

634
01:18:54,166 --> 01:18:55,166
can see some of the stuff

635
01:18:55,166 --> 01:18:56,750
there, but just highlights on the sign

636
01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:58,291
executive order aimed at removing

637
01:18:58,291 --> 01:18:59,916
regulatory barriers to AI

638
01:19:00,458 --> 01:19:02,291
development, asserting that the need for

639
01:19:02,291 --> 01:19:04,625
AI systems free from, let's call it

640
01:19:04,625 --> 01:19:07,041
ideological bias. So former

641
01:19:07,041 --> 01:19:10,625
PayPal exec, David Sachs, who's famous

642
01:19:10,625 --> 01:19:11,875
for, you know, the

643
01:19:11,875 --> 01:19:13,000
investment stuff that he's done, but a

644
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,291
lot of people know him from the All In

645
01:19:14,291 --> 01:19:16,125
podcast. He's been appointed

646
01:19:16,125 --> 01:19:18,208
to lead a group tasked with

647
01:19:18,250 --> 01:19:22,416
developing an AI action plan. So you can

648
01:19:22,416 --> 01:19:24,583
see here a little bit more

649
01:19:24,583 --> 01:19:26,541
about that in the article,

650
01:19:27,375 --> 01:19:30,750
just various things that are being done

651
01:19:30,750 --> 01:19:33,500
in the administration from

652
01:19:33,500 --> 01:19:35,000
reversing calls on tariffs

653
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:38,708
to a whole heap of like other other stuff

654
01:19:38,708 --> 01:19:40,041
going on there. So this is

655
01:19:40,041 --> 01:19:41,083
these are all the executive

656
01:19:41,083 --> 01:19:43,625
orders that have been signed so far. It's

657
01:19:43,625 --> 01:19:46,000
yeah, there's a ton. And I

658
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,166
don't know why this pop up is

659
01:19:47,666 --> 01:19:49,750
coming up. But I love a website when it

660
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:51,208
just works, right? Yeah.

661
01:19:51,541 --> 01:19:53,875
Love, love the old out. It's interesting,

662
01:19:53,875 --> 01:19:54,791
it's interesting in regards

663
01:19:54,791 --> 01:19:55,541
to this, particularly with

664
01:19:55,541 --> 01:19:57,083
the tyrosome play and everything going

665
01:19:57,083 --> 01:20:01,166
on. And you know, Mr. You

666
01:20:01,166 --> 01:20:03,541
know, Mr. Head of Doge, our Tesla

667
01:20:03,791 --> 01:20:07,333
Miska Musk has been, he was supposed to

668
01:20:07,333 --> 01:20:08,958
be running quite a lot of the

669
01:20:08,958 --> 01:20:10,250
initiatives with Doge. And now

670
01:20:10,250 --> 01:20:12,583
that's been sort of pushed back as they

671
01:20:12,583 --> 01:20:14,125
as they put more focus

672
01:20:14,125 --> 01:20:16,500
into, you know, the people and I

673
01:20:16,541 --> 01:20:18,750
was a business, then what Musk was a

674
01:20:18,750 --> 01:20:20,458
little bit was pulling away a

675
01:20:20,458 --> 01:20:21,375
lot of the attention of where

676
01:20:21,375 --> 01:20:24,250
it needed to be. He's having to step back

677
01:20:24,250 --> 01:20:26,250
into the Tesla role right

678
01:20:26,250 --> 01:20:27,458
now. But even then the board of

679
01:20:27,458 --> 01:20:29,666
directors at Tesla, I think about how

680
01:20:29,666 --> 01:20:31,125
they can push him out

681
01:20:31,125 --> 01:20:34,041
because of how he's been acting and

682
01:20:34,208 --> 01:20:37,625
his, his focuses over the last year, I

683
01:20:37,625 --> 01:20:40,791
would say. We've got, you

684
01:20:40,791 --> 01:20:42,291
know, Grock, and he's trying to

685
01:20:42,291 --> 01:20:43,625
build out, which is getting some good

686
01:20:43,625 --> 01:20:47,166
leeway. And yeah, so it's an

687
01:20:47,166 --> 01:20:50,375
interesting time for AI and

688
01:20:50,375 --> 01:20:52,291
business in the States, particularly with

689
01:20:52,291 --> 01:20:53,208
other competition, as we're

690
01:20:53,208 --> 01:20:54,458
talking about coming out of

691
01:20:54,458 --> 01:20:57,541
China. So I'm pretty, I'm interested to

692
01:20:57,541 --> 01:20:58,166
see what's going to happen

693
01:20:58,166 --> 01:20:59,375
next. But I'm also a bit like

694
01:20:59,416 --> 01:21:01,000
fearful of what's going to happen next,

695
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:02,875
given this craziness that

696
01:21:02,875 --> 01:21:04,041
is evolving out of the world

697
01:21:04,125 --> 01:21:06,708
politically, not just in AI. Speaking of

698
01:21:06,708 --> 01:21:08,833
fear, this headline came out

699
01:21:08,833 --> 01:21:10,916
last week, which is that from

700
01:21:11,041 --> 01:21:13,708
Pew Research, so the Pew Research Center,

701
01:21:14,250 --> 01:21:15,458
the highlight of the 50% of

702
01:21:15,458 --> 01:21:17,458
Americans say AI will have

703
01:21:17,458 --> 01:21:20,541
a very or somewhat negative impact on

704
01:21:20,541 --> 01:21:23,000
news. And so some of the things that were

705
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:24,333
highlighted, there's

706
01:21:24,458 --> 01:21:26,250
obviously concerns about potential job

707
01:21:26,250 --> 01:21:27,666
losses in journalism and the

708
01:21:27,666 --> 01:21:29,208
spread of misinformation, but

709
01:21:29,208 --> 01:21:32,458
then also 66% of respondents were, are

710
01:21:32,458 --> 01:21:33,583
concerned about

711
01:21:33,583 --> 01:21:36,750
hallucinations. So where it's getting it

712
01:21:36,791 --> 01:21:39,791
wrong. And as people that are technical

713
01:21:39,791 --> 01:21:41,583
in the space, to explain

714
01:21:41,583 --> 01:21:42,958
it to those that don't know,

715
01:21:42,958 --> 01:21:45,500
just talking directly to a model, unless

716
01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:47,625
it actually shows you that it's come from

717
01:21:47,625 --> 01:21:49,166
these links. And even

718
01:21:49,166 --> 01:21:51,250
then, just showing you the links is not

719
01:21:51,250 --> 01:21:52,083
enough, you've actually got

720
01:21:52,083 --> 01:21:53,625
to click on it, just to make

721
01:21:53,625 --> 01:21:55,208
sure and validate that some of the

722
01:21:55,208 --> 01:21:57,083
points, you know, not some of the points,

723
01:21:57,083 --> 01:21:57,791
depending on what it is,

724
01:21:57,791 --> 01:21:58,791
you want to do, maybe it's just for

725
01:21:58,791 --> 01:21:59,916
skimming research, and you

726
01:21:59,916 --> 01:22:00,750
just want to see it's actually

727
01:22:00,750 --> 01:22:03,458
pulling stuff from various articles. And

728
01:22:03,458 --> 01:22:04,333
then there's ones where

729
01:22:04,333 --> 01:22:06,208
it's, it's, you know, your job

730
01:22:06,208 --> 01:22:08,166
is on the line. So you need to be able

731
01:22:08,166 --> 01:22:10,166
to, you know, properly read

732
01:22:10,166 --> 01:22:11,166
it. And if you've got a whole

733
01:22:11,166 --> 01:22:12,708
kind of supply chain process of

734
01:22:12,708 --> 01:22:15,000
information, you want to make sure that,

735
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,083
and we've got this with

736
01:22:16,083 --> 01:22:18,416
tools that we do, where people actually

737
01:22:18,416 --> 01:22:20,750
have to sign off with

738
01:22:20,750 --> 01:22:23,416
digital kind of signatures, like a

739
01:22:23,416 --> 01:22:26,500
DocuSign within a workflow process, to

740
01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:28,833
say that, yes, I have read this output,

741
01:22:29,083 --> 01:22:29,791
even though I'm using

742
01:22:29,833 --> 01:22:32,541
AI, because the only way to prove things,

743
01:22:32,750 --> 01:22:34,875
there is no foolproof way

744
01:22:34,875 --> 01:22:36,833
of going, Oh, the AI is like,

745
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,625
completely accurate. But it's the same

746
01:22:38,625 --> 01:22:39,708
thing as humans. This is

747
01:22:39,708 --> 01:22:40,541
the thing, people are thinking

748
01:22:40,541 --> 01:22:44,250
this is just a fail proof, never, you

749
01:22:44,250 --> 01:22:46,083
know, it will, it's misinformation.

750
01:22:46,666 --> 01:22:48,916
That's those tactics, or the tactics of

751
01:22:48,916 --> 01:22:49,500
misinformation have

752
01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:50,375
been going on for ages. I

753
01:22:50,375 --> 01:22:52,083
mean, think about how political parties

754
01:22:52,083 --> 01:22:54,416
manipulate, and insights, think about how

755
01:22:55,166 --> 01:22:59,458
people lie to gain political gain, think

756
01:22:59,458 --> 01:23:01,250
about what Facebook has had been going

757
01:23:01,250 --> 01:23:02,583
through prior to AI,

758
01:23:02,958 --> 01:23:04,791
all of these lies and fake information,

759
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,125
like incorrect information have been

760
01:23:07,125 --> 01:23:09,125
floating around for forever. So

761
01:23:09,125 --> 01:23:10,583
hallucinations, I guess, this is another

762
01:23:10,625 --> 01:23:15,375
and that infusing mud of a mess. And to

763
01:23:15,375 --> 01:23:16,333
the point that you're saying

764
01:23:16,333 --> 01:23:17,333
that that's what I'm trying

765
01:23:17,333 --> 01:23:19,625
to get to, it's that people think of like

766
01:23:19,625 --> 01:23:21,041
the generative AI tools

767
01:23:21,041 --> 01:23:21,625
as just something that it's

768
01:23:21,666 --> 01:23:24,250
always going to get things right. Like

769
01:23:24,250 --> 01:23:25,416
it'll be probably more

770
01:23:25,416 --> 01:23:27,375
accurate than humans, like 99.9%,

771
01:23:27,708 --> 01:23:29,166
or something like that, depending on what

772
01:23:29,166 --> 01:23:31,041
it's going to do. But the

773
01:23:31,041 --> 01:23:32,791
thing is, it's, you've got

774
01:23:32,791 --> 01:23:35,208
to think about it not as in part ways,

775
01:23:35,208 --> 01:23:36,750
it's a tool, but in other ways, it's a

776
01:23:36,750 --> 01:23:37,541
colleague, and you're

777
01:23:37,541 --> 01:23:39,125
going to check your colleagues work, it's

778
01:23:39,125 --> 01:23:40,541
a subordinate that is

779
01:23:40,541 --> 01:23:41,583
there to work for you,

780
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,125
you have to check it's work, but oh, why

781
01:23:44,125 --> 01:23:44,875
should I check it's work?

782
01:23:45,208 --> 01:23:46,583
Well, if it used to take 50

783
01:23:46,625 --> 01:23:48,541
minutes for you to do something, but now

784
01:23:48,541 --> 01:23:49,875
you can get 10 times the

785
01:23:49,875 --> 01:23:51,500
output within say only five

786
01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:53,708
minutes. And all you've got to do is just

787
01:23:53,708 --> 01:23:55,625
check the work and agree and

788
01:23:55,625 --> 01:23:57,291
maybe make tweaks, becoming

789
01:23:57,291 --> 01:24:00,083
more of an editor. That saves so much

790
01:24:00,083 --> 01:24:01,083
time. I can't believe that

791
01:24:01,083 --> 01:24:02,958
people still push back and think

792
01:24:02,958 --> 01:24:05,125
that that's not like a good outcome and

793
01:24:05,125 --> 01:24:07,041
stuff. You know, I agree that

794
01:24:07,041 --> 01:24:07,875
it will be a good outcome. But

795
01:24:07,875 --> 01:24:10,125
I still think that I agree that there are

796
01:24:10,125 --> 01:24:11,708
fears around, you know, I

797
01:24:11,708 --> 01:24:12,500
can understand why there are

798
01:24:12,500 --> 01:24:13,916
fears around people's jobs, particularly

799
01:24:13,916 --> 01:24:15,083
in the journalist space,

800
01:24:15,083 --> 01:24:16,208
like traditional journalism has

801
01:24:16,250 --> 01:24:18,000
always been around or out going out there

802
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:19,458
being getting into the dirt

803
01:24:19,458 --> 01:24:20,625
of things and presenting it

804
01:24:20,625 --> 01:24:23,583
back to the people. And with the rise of

805
01:24:23,583 --> 01:24:25,125
AI, a lot of that will shift

806
01:24:25,125 --> 01:24:26,958
like they won't like the idea

807
01:24:26,958 --> 01:24:29,125
of a journalist will pretty much become

808
01:24:29,125 --> 01:24:30,666
almost content managers.

809
01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:32,708
Because they will be you know,

810
01:24:32,708 --> 01:24:34,708
you could almost have an AI tool in the

811
01:24:34,708 --> 01:24:36,791
interview process, collecting

812
01:24:36,791 --> 01:24:39,250
information, talking to the,

813
01:24:40,458 --> 01:24:41,666
you know, talking to one of the advisors

814
01:24:41,666 --> 01:24:42,291
in a political

815
01:24:42,291 --> 01:24:45,458
standpoint, or there, it's gathering

816
01:24:45,666 --> 01:24:47,583
information, and then it's creating the

817
01:24:47,583 --> 01:24:48,791
article automatically with

818
01:24:48,791 --> 01:24:49,750
agents. And then there's just

819
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:51,791
someone validating it, as you said, that

820
01:24:51,791 --> 01:24:53,041
it's all correct, like that

821
01:24:53,041 --> 01:24:54,500
could very easily become the

822
01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:56,958
future of a journalist. And there'll be

823
01:24:56,958 --> 01:24:58,416
little bits of pieces where

824
01:24:58,416 --> 01:24:59,875
you can't really replace the

825
01:24:59,875 --> 01:25:01,291
human element where it's actually someone

826
01:25:01,291 --> 01:25:02,541
having to go out there and

827
01:25:02,541 --> 01:25:05,125
go to unique places to find

828
01:25:05,125 --> 01:25:06,625
insights and information beyond the

829
01:25:06,625 --> 01:25:09,083
ground in a war scenario, or,

830
01:25:09,125 --> 01:25:11,083
you know, going out to find,

831
01:25:11,583 --> 01:25:12,708
to see what's happening in public,

832
01:25:12,708 --> 01:25:14,083
because someone's done something and

833
01:25:14,083 --> 01:25:15,000
they're trying to interview

834
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,916
them in those senses. So they'll be very

835
01:25:16,916 --> 01:25:19,875
the need or the job description of a

836
01:25:19,875 --> 01:25:20,791
journalist will shrink

837
01:25:20,791 --> 01:25:23,541
and change rapidly as AI does start to

838
01:25:23,541 --> 01:25:24,708
take over a lot of those

839
01:25:24,708 --> 01:25:26,666
roles. So I can understand where

840
01:25:26,666 --> 01:25:28,166
the pushback is. But at the same time, I

841
01:25:28,166 --> 01:25:30,125
completely agree if the argument is

842
01:25:30,125 --> 01:25:32,791
around accuracy, my god,

843
01:25:32,791 --> 01:25:34,375
that that has been if anything, I think

844
01:25:34,375 --> 01:25:35,250
it might improve the

845
01:25:35,250 --> 01:25:37,250
accuracy, because it will start to be

846
01:25:37,250 --> 01:25:38,875
able to identify, hey, this is fake,

847
01:25:39,125 --> 01:25:41,291
like, whereas previously, we didn't have

848
01:25:41,291 --> 01:25:42,125
that it had to be human

849
01:25:42,125 --> 01:25:43,375
and you can't trust humans to do that

850
01:25:43,375 --> 01:25:45,666
properly. Well, yeah, I

851
01:25:45,666 --> 01:25:47,916
mean, but just saying on on that

852
01:25:47,916 --> 01:25:49,833
note, and I think we're going a bit back

853
01:25:49,833 --> 01:25:53,416
and forth and stuff. But this is not

854
01:25:53,416 --> 01:25:54,833
saying we're not saying

855
01:25:54,833 --> 01:25:57,000
that humans are completely out of the

856
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,375
loop, because the ultimate arbiter, you

857
01:25:59,375 --> 01:26:00,875
have to have humans in

858
01:26:00,875 --> 01:26:02,708
in the loop with this kind of stuff. So

859
01:26:02,708 --> 01:26:03,916
whilst they might be more

860
01:26:03,916 --> 01:26:05,958
accurate, they still have to be

861
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,458
approved. If we're really going to trust

862
01:26:08,458 --> 01:26:10,125
like, we have to place trust

863
01:26:10,125 --> 01:26:12,250
in a human kind of process and

864
01:26:12,250 --> 01:26:14,166
stuff to this. But you know, the full

865
01:26:14,166 --> 01:26:16,250
article in journalism, that'll be very

866
01:26:16,250 --> 01:26:18,166
hard. Just because you

867
01:26:18,166 --> 01:26:20,583
can't trust journalists anyway. Yeah,

868
01:26:21,250 --> 01:26:22,250
take in the dark side of the things,

869
01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:23,041
which is why I say I

870
01:26:23,041 --> 01:26:25,541
reckon the from a business perspective, I

871
01:26:25,541 --> 01:26:26,958
completely agree. I think on a journalist

872
01:26:26,958 --> 01:26:27,625
perspective is going

873
01:26:27,625 --> 01:26:28,875
to be funny. I think it'll actually put

874
01:26:28,875 --> 01:26:30,083
more trust in it if AI

875
01:26:30,083 --> 01:26:32,041
starts taking it over. And I mean,

876
01:26:32,041 --> 01:26:35,000
this in a very sarcastic sense. Yeah, but

877
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:36,416
hang on a second, just to

878
01:26:36,416 --> 01:26:38,166
finish off on that point there.

879
01:26:38,791 --> 01:26:40,291
I think that there's still going to be

880
01:26:40,291 --> 01:26:42,541
it'll be a balance of things. It's not

881
01:26:42,541 --> 01:26:43,500
going to sway one way

882
01:26:43,500 --> 01:26:45,541
or the other that okay, are we going to

883
01:26:45,541 --> 01:26:46,375
get rid of all these jobs?

884
01:26:46,375 --> 01:26:47,375
But just like everything that

885
01:26:47,375 --> 01:26:49,750
has been a tech revolution, right? Like

886
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:51,625
we don't work and plow the fields

887
01:26:51,625 --> 01:26:53,166
anymore. Things evolve,

888
01:26:53,375 --> 01:26:55,708
we don't have as many people that are in

889
01:26:55,708 --> 01:26:57,375
the industry of transport

890
01:26:57,375 --> 01:26:58,708
to do with horses because

891
01:26:58,791 --> 01:27:01,333
cars came around, things evolve. And just

892
01:27:01,333 --> 01:27:02,375
like with any kind of

893
01:27:02,375 --> 01:27:04,125
industry and job role, yeah,

894
01:27:04,125 --> 01:27:05,875
we'll still have journalism and the role

895
01:27:05,875 --> 01:27:06,958
will evolve. But it will

896
01:27:06,958 --> 01:27:08,666
also probably create like,

897
01:27:08,666 --> 01:27:10,583
there might be fewer of a certain type of

898
01:27:10,583 --> 01:27:12,125
role, like the full, you

899
01:27:12,125 --> 01:27:14,208
know, from raw from scratch,

900
01:27:14,458 --> 01:27:16,000
just like journalists doing everything

901
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,750
without like AI. But it will

902
01:27:18,750 --> 01:27:21,083
evolve into newer roles that

903
01:27:21,083 --> 01:27:23,541
use utilize technology. So I think it's

904
01:27:23,541 --> 01:27:24,791
not that all the industry is

905
01:27:24,791 --> 01:27:25,625
going to go away and stuff.

906
01:27:25,916 --> 01:27:28,291
That it may not happen, right? There's so

907
01:27:28,291 --> 01:27:29,375
many people still working

908
01:27:29,375 --> 01:27:31,041
in banks. It's just that we

909
01:27:31,041 --> 01:27:33,916
don't have certain types of roles, they

910
01:27:33,916 --> 01:27:35,583
evolve. And we don't even

911
01:27:35,583 --> 01:27:36,791
know yet what kind of roles

912
01:27:36,791 --> 01:27:38,500
there will be in future, but we can just

913
01:27:38,500 --> 01:27:40,500
imagine. So that's it for

914
01:27:40,500 --> 01:27:42,000
me on this one. But really

915
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:43,541
interesting. I just put it up here that

916
01:27:43,541 --> 01:27:44,375
you can see the full

917
01:27:44,375 --> 01:27:45,708
research here if people want to dive

918
01:27:45,708 --> 01:27:47,875
into it. Comets got some interesting

919
01:27:47,875 --> 01:27:51,041
things that are hitting the market or

920
01:27:51,041 --> 01:27:51,875
have hit the market over

921
01:27:51,916 --> 01:27:54,458
last week. Coming soon, Perplexity

922
01:27:54,458 --> 01:27:56,625
announced that they are doing a new

923
01:27:56,625 --> 01:27:58,958
agentic search browser. So

924
01:27:58,958 --> 01:28:00,375
that'll be competing with the likes of

925
01:28:00,375 --> 01:28:02,416
good old Chrome and Firefox

926
01:28:02,416 --> 01:28:04,791
and people out there are brave

927
01:28:04,833 --> 01:28:07,333
users and Opera and all the other ones is

928
01:28:07,333 --> 01:28:09,500
another browser entering the

929
01:28:09,500 --> 01:28:13,208
atmosphere. Pun intended. So

930
01:28:13,208 --> 01:28:16,625
the so with I'm a big Perplexity user,

931
01:28:16,625 --> 01:28:17,291
particularly from a

932
01:28:17,291 --> 01:28:18,291
search perspective and research

933
01:28:18,291 --> 01:28:19,541
perspective. So it'd be very interesting

934
01:28:19,541 --> 01:28:20,541
to see what these guys are

935
01:28:20,541 --> 01:28:21,291
going to be doing in that

936
01:28:21,333 --> 01:28:24,291
space. I've done I've joined the wait

937
01:28:24,291 --> 01:28:25,791
list. It's not out yet. So keen to see

938
01:28:25,791 --> 01:28:26,666
what's coming there. So

939
01:28:26,666 --> 01:28:29,458
keep an eye on that one. Google had a few

940
01:28:29,458 --> 01:28:30,916
big announcements over

941
01:28:30,916 --> 01:28:31,833
the last couple of weeks.

942
01:28:32,375 --> 01:28:34,666
You can now, well, this one's actually

943
01:28:34,666 --> 01:28:36,208
not available to

944
01:28:36,208 --> 01:28:37,708
everyone yet. I've seen this as

945
01:28:37,708 --> 01:28:39,583
mainly being in a beta sense. But you'll

946
01:28:39,583 --> 01:28:40,666
be able to start editing

947
01:28:40,666 --> 01:28:42,291
photos directly into the Gemini

948
01:28:42,791 --> 01:28:45,416
app, which is kind of cool. Previously, I

949
01:28:45,416 --> 01:28:46,125
don't know if you've ever

950
01:28:46,125 --> 01:28:48,125
used the photo app for Google

951
01:28:48,541 --> 01:28:52,166
Mark. Kind of here and there. I use it

952
01:28:52,166 --> 01:28:53,166
every now and then I'm a

953
01:28:53,166 --> 01:28:53,958
bit more of a lightroom

954
01:28:54,041 --> 01:28:58,708
user myself for editing my images. But do

955
01:28:58,708 --> 01:29:00,416
you mean within the phone or do you mean

956
01:29:00,416 --> 01:29:01,750
Yeah, within the phone within the phone,

957
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:02,750
the photo, the Google

958
01:29:02,750 --> 01:29:04,166
Photos app. So there's obviously

959
01:29:04,166 --> 01:29:06,000
Gemini is integrated in that and there's

960
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:07,083
a lot of AI tools and just

961
01:29:07,083 --> 01:29:08,541
general photo editing. And that

962
01:29:08,541 --> 01:29:09,791
can do some really cool things to make

963
01:29:09,791 --> 01:29:11,375
your photos look look amazing without

964
01:29:11,375 --> 01:29:12,250
having to jump into any

965
01:29:12,250 --> 01:29:14,458
professional tools. But now what you're

966
01:29:14,458 --> 01:29:15,791
going to be able to do what they're

967
01:29:15,791 --> 01:29:16,333
coming soon to be able

968
01:29:16,375 --> 01:29:18,541
to do is actually drop your photo into

969
01:29:18,541 --> 01:29:20,250
into the Gemini into the LM

970
01:29:20,250 --> 01:29:22,500
and you can just like you would

971
01:29:22,791 --> 01:29:24,750
use the opening AI, you could chat to the

972
01:29:24,750 --> 01:29:25,416
tool and say, hey, could

973
01:29:25,416 --> 01:29:26,625
you add this or can you change

974
01:29:26,625 --> 01:29:28,250
this background or can you add a bokeh

975
01:29:28,250 --> 01:29:30,333
effect or make me smile in

976
01:29:30,333 --> 01:29:32,041
this photo, which is very

977
01:29:32,041 --> 01:29:33,958
interesting stuff you can kind of do in

978
01:29:33,958 --> 01:29:36,291
open AI. But you know, I

979
01:29:36,291 --> 01:29:38,958
think Google in itself has a very,

980
01:29:38,958 --> 01:29:40,958
very rich experience with photos. So

981
01:29:40,958 --> 01:29:41,916
hopefully that tool will be

982
01:29:41,916 --> 01:29:42,666
a little bit more powerful.

983
01:29:43,208 --> 01:29:44,333
And what it's able to come to the market

984
01:29:44,333 --> 01:29:49,375
with. Google is now going

985
01:29:49,375 --> 01:29:50,458
to be showing some ads in

986
01:29:50,458 --> 01:29:52,291
their chats with some of the third party

987
01:29:52,291 --> 01:29:53,791
chatbots. So if you've seen

988
01:29:53,791 --> 01:29:56,083
any, any of the chat tools that

989
01:29:56,083 --> 01:29:57,625
they use, they're going to start rolling

990
01:29:57,625 --> 01:29:58,541
out ads. I don't know if

991
01:29:58,541 --> 01:29:59,625
it's going to be official on

992
01:29:59,625 --> 01:30:01,250
sticking around for long term, but I

993
01:30:01,250 --> 01:30:02,083
think they're running a trial

994
01:30:02,083 --> 01:30:03,166
and just to see what happens.

995
01:30:04,250 --> 01:30:05,666
So for example, you may see some ads

996
01:30:05,666 --> 01:30:08,250
popping up in Gemini in the AI apps,

997
01:30:08,250 --> 01:30:09,708
which I'm kind of against,

998
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:11,291
I hope they don't do this. You see it pop

999
01:30:11,291 --> 01:30:11,916
up a little bit in

1000
01:30:11,916 --> 01:30:13,791
perplexity now, but mainly because

1001
01:30:13,791 --> 01:30:15,583
they are managing themselves in that sort

1002
01:30:15,583 --> 01:30:16,375
of search environment,

1003
01:30:16,666 --> 01:30:18,083
a very, very calm focus.

1004
01:30:18,958 --> 01:30:20,416
But so Google is going to start testing

1005
01:30:20,416 --> 01:30:23,666
that soon as well. Kind

1006
01:30:23,666 --> 01:30:24,958
of reminds me of, I guess,

1007
01:30:25,625 --> 01:30:28,291
kind of reminds me of that. What's the,

1008
01:30:28,750 --> 01:30:32,583
that dark show on Netflix? Black Mirror,

1009
01:30:32,833 --> 01:30:33,625
Black Mirror. That's

1010
01:30:33,625 --> 01:30:34,875
the one where, you know, you start having

1011
01:30:34,875 --> 01:30:36,041
like new tiers of

1012
01:30:36,041 --> 01:30:37,666
registration of sign up, you know,

1013
01:30:37,916 --> 01:30:41,625
center out no ad tier for using this LLM.

1014
01:30:41,625 --> 01:30:43,291
Yeah, that was a weird

1015
01:30:43,291 --> 01:30:45,500
episode where the person basically

1016
01:30:45,500 --> 01:30:47,750
not to give it away too much, but they,

1017
01:30:48,750 --> 01:30:50,708
because their brain was

1018
01:30:50,708 --> 01:30:53,500
damaged, head injury and stuff.

1019
01:30:54,458 --> 01:30:57,666
AI, I guess AI plus like, you know,

1020
01:30:57,833 --> 01:30:58,791
wireless technology,

1021
01:30:58,791 --> 01:31:00,208
because they have to like be near

1022
01:31:00,208 --> 01:31:03,083
the Wi Fi helps them alive. They had

1023
01:31:03,083 --> 01:31:04,750
their mind stored onto an external

1024
01:31:04,750 --> 01:31:06,875
server, which then fed

1025
01:31:06,916 --> 01:31:09,291
that information live to their brain. So

1026
01:31:09,291 --> 01:31:11,250
their brain would operate

1027
01:31:11,250 --> 01:31:13,000
in a remote format. So they

1028
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,458
needed to connect to devices to make sure

1029
01:31:15,458 --> 01:31:16,291
that they could function and

1030
01:31:16,291 --> 01:31:17,666
walk around. And obviously,

1031
01:31:17,666 --> 01:31:19,333
there started to be a tier system around

1032
01:31:19,333 --> 01:31:20,666
what you can access. And

1033
01:31:20,666 --> 01:31:21,875
that's as far as I'll tell the

1034
01:31:21,875 --> 01:31:24,708
story. Because you know, it kind of makes

1035
01:31:24,708 --> 01:31:26,250
sense. Because like, I

1036
01:31:26,250 --> 01:31:27,375
don't know what the numbers are,

1037
01:31:27,375 --> 01:31:30,333
but you know, just thinking subjectively,

1038
01:31:30,333 --> 01:31:32,541
there's not that many people that you

1039
01:31:32,541 --> 01:31:33,250
would know just from

1040
01:31:33,291 --> 01:31:36,333
day to day that have, unfortunately, you

1041
01:31:36,333 --> 01:31:37,583
know, traumatic like head

1042
01:31:37,583 --> 01:31:39,458
injuries and knock on wood

1043
01:31:39,458 --> 01:31:42,208
for the folks that do have that and you

1044
01:31:42,208 --> 01:31:43,208
hope that there are services

1045
01:31:43,208 --> 01:31:44,708
that can help them. But the

1046
01:31:44,708 --> 01:31:47,333
fact that in that thing that they had to

1047
01:31:47,333 --> 01:31:49,458
increase the prices, maybe

1048
01:31:49,458 --> 01:31:50,958
it's because there's just not a

1049
01:31:51,083 --> 01:31:53,625
big kind of business out there for that

1050
01:31:53,625 --> 01:31:55,166
kind of stuff, you know, so

1051
01:31:55,166 --> 01:31:57,291
yeah, place giveaways, we don't

1052
01:31:57,291 --> 01:31:59,416
want to do too much at that. But yeah, it

1053
01:31:59,416 --> 01:32:01,583
definitely has that vibe to it. We look

1054
01:32:01,583 --> 01:32:02,500
what Amazon Prime did,

1055
01:32:02,541 --> 01:32:04,791
right with the value Prime, you have to

1056
01:32:04,791 --> 01:32:05,916
level up to get rid of ads

1057
01:32:05,916 --> 01:32:07,625
got frustrated with a lot of

1058
01:32:07,625 --> 01:32:10,125
people. But you know, they're making

1059
01:32:10,125 --> 01:32:12,166
billion dollar shows. So they got to pay

1060
01:32:12,166 --> 01:32:12,875
for us somehow, right?

1061
01:32:13,458 --> 01:32:15,166
Yeah, I'm happy though, with like YouTube

1062
01:32:15,166 --> 01:32:16,916
to pay for the ability to

1063
01:32:16,916 --> 01:32:18,833
get rid of ads, but it's also

1064
01:32:18,833 --> 01:32:21,541
that you can, you can download videos.

1065
01:32:22,375 --> 01:32:23,791
And you can listen to them

1066
01:32:23,791 --> 01:32:25,041
without having to with your phone

1067
01:32:25,041 --> 01:32:27,166
locked as well. That's like, yeah, I

1068
01:32:27,166 --> 01:32:29,458
agree with that. I was not too too

1069
01:32:29,458 --> 01:32:30,250
worried about that one.

1070
01:32:30,625 --> 01:32:32,416
Yeah, so give me the features. I'm

1071
01:32:32,416 --> 01:32:34,458
sticking in the in the Google topic

1072
01:32:34,458 --> 01:32:36,125
Gemini is pretty cool for

1073
01:32:36,125 --> 01:32:38,166
our coders out there. I don't know if

1074
01:32:38,166 --> 01:32:39,833
you've ever played with if

1075
01:32:39,833 --> 01:32:40,875
you've played with Google Studio

1076
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,750
with their AI studio and and pinkard with

1077
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:46,250
editing with in gem with Gemini,

1078
01:32:46,250 --> 01:32:47,708
particularly 2.5 Pro.

1079
01:32:48,541 --> 01:32:51,375
Very, very, very good at coding, I would

1080
01:32:51,375 --> 01:32:53,166
say with what's coming next, probably

1081
01:32:53,166 --> 01:32:53,791
going to be the second

1082
01:32:53,958 --> 01:32:56,291
best at the moment, arguably for coding.

1083
01:32:57,500 --> 01:32:58,958
But they are releasing

1084
01:32:58,958 --> 01:33:01,708
finally a GitHub app for coders. So

1085
01:33:01,708 --> 01:33:03,166
you'll be able to jump into GitHub and

1086
01:33:03,166 --> 01:33:06,875
link up your Gemini 2.5 Pro

1087
01:33:06,875 --> 01:33:08,333
and start coding and editing

1088
01:33:08,333 --> 01:33:10,291
your stuff within GitHub. So that's a

1089
01:33:10,291 --> 01:33:11,166
pretty awesome little

1090
01:33:11,166 --> 01:33:13,166
application feature there that

1091
01:33:13,166 --> 01:33:15,541
is going to be coming out. So it's going

1092
01:33:15,541 --> 01:33:17,083
to be able to help with better

1093
01:33:17,083 --> 01:33:18,250
understanding of code base

1094
01:33:18,250 --> 01:33:19,750
answer any questions around specific

1095
01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:21,750
codes and functions suggest code

1096
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:22,791
additions and improvement

1097
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,291
even debug issues, which a lot of other

1098
01:33:25,291 --> 01:33:26,208
tools are currently doing

1099
01:33:26,208 --> 01:33:27,416
within their applications and

1100
01:33:27,416 --> 01:33:29,208
services. You look at what you can do

1101
01:33:29,208 --> 01:33:31,625
currently in things like

1102
01:33:31,625 --> 01:33:35,916
bolt and in VO and and even even

1103
01:33:35,916 --> 01:33:38,458
like things like lovable etc, which are

1104
01:33:38,458 --> 01:33:40,791
you know, more UX tools, you can

1105
01:33:40,791 --> 01:33:41,916
interrogate code. But this

1106
01:33:41,916 --> 01:33:44,125
is for people who are primarily using

1107
01:33:44,125 --> 01:33:45,583
traditional ways of working with code

1108
01:33:45,583 --> 01:33:46,666
bases, putting stuff in

1109
01:33:46,666 --> 01:33:48,125
their GitHub repositories, and now they

1110
01:33:48,125 --> 01:33:49,291
can add application layers

1111
01:33:49,291 --> 01:33:50,291
on it to start interrogating

1112
01:33:50,375 --> 01:33:53,041
and working with it as well, which is a

1113
01:33:53,041 --> 01:33:53,833
pretty cool tool that's

1114
01:33:53,833 --> 01:33:54,541
going to be coming soon.

1115
01:33:55,625 --> 01:33:58,291
Now on the topic of coding, did anyone

1116
01:33:58,291 --> 01:33:59,833
see the 3.7 update?

1117
01:34:00,708 --> 01:34:03,333
Good old sonnet had a huge

1118
01:34:04,916 --> 01:34:07,208
interesting thing that I have yet to be

1119
01:34:07,208 --> 01:34:08,416
able to test. But it's I think it's

1120
01:34:08,416 --> 01:34:09,041
definitely something

1121
01:34:09,041 --> 01:34:13,250
that's worth talking about. They're

1122
01:34:13,250 --> 01:34:17,625
shifting focus with the latest update,

1123
01:34:17,625 --> 01:34:18,416
which I think is great,

1124
01:34:18,458 --> 01:34:20,541
which we've got open. Open AI has done a

1125
01:34:20,541 --> 01:34:22,666
lot of updates with 4.5 and

1126
01:34:22,666 --> 01:34:24,208
even with going back to 03,

1127
01:34:24,458 --> 01:34:28,583
a lot of focus on deep research and you

1128
01:34:28,583 --> 01:34:31,375
know, really good

1129
01:34:31,375 --> 01:34:33,458
outcomes that you can utilize in

1130
01:34:33,458 --> 01:34:35,500
your strategic work and thinking and you

1131
01:34:35,500 --> 01:34:36,500
know, in UX, I really love

1132
01:34:36,500 --> 01:34:37,583
using open AI because I'm

1133
01:34:37,583 --> 01:34:40,041
able to do this interrogate insights and

1134
01:34:40,041 --> 01:34:44,125
information and keep and even visualize

1135
01:34:44,125 --> 01:34:44,750
it in meaningful ways

1136
01:34:44,791 --> 01:34:47,625
now with a lot of the new updates. So

1137
01:34:47,625 --> 01:34:48,666
Claude has recognized

1138
01:34:48,666 --> 01:34:51,000
that they're kind of they're,

1139
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:53,125
you know, what the what people are using

1140
01:34:53,125 --> 01:34:55,000
their platform for isn't

1141
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:57,208
really the stuff that that

1142
01:34:57,416 --> 01:34:59,833
open AI or even Gemini are competing with

1143
01:34:59,833 --> 01:35:01,291
their images and their

1144
01:35:01,291 --> 01:35:02,500
conversational, their

1145
01:35:02,791 --> 01:35:04,333
and their deep research stuff, even

1146
01:35:04,333 --> 01:35:05,000
though they have released

1147
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:06,000
some deep research stuff,

1148
01:35:06,375 --> 01:35:07,583
they've recognized that that's not their

1149
01:35:07,583 --> 01:35:08,583
strongest point, their strong

1150
01:35:08,583 --> 01:35:10,041
point going all the way back

1151
01:35:10,041 --> 01:35:11,916
to when they first released has always

1152
01:35:11,916 --> 01:35:15,291
been code. So with the new 3.7 update,

1153
01:35:15,291 --> 01:35:17,208
they have really refined

1154
01:35:17,208 --> 01:35:20,958
that that ability or that coding output

1155
01:35:20,958 --> 01:35:22,666
that you when you go

1156
01:35:22,666 --> 01:35:24,958
from text to to code.

1157
01:35:25,958 --> 01:35:27,833
Sona ramble a bit there, but essentially

1158
01:35:27,833 --> 01:35:33,166
they are Sona 3.7. So again, accuracy,

1159
01:35:33,541 --> 01:35:34,916
strength way up there

1160
01:35:34,958 --> 01:35:37,791
in comparison to the other ones. Now with

1161
01:35:37,791 --> 01:35:38,750
their some of their

1162
01:35:38,750 --> 01:35:41,041
gigantic tool use way up there

1163
01:35:41,041 --> 01:35:42,666
compared to the others that are out

1164
01:35:42,666 --> 01:35:45,791
there. And what they've also

1165
01:35:45,791 --> 01:35:47,916
done is made some updates to

1166
01:35:48,708 --> 01:35:51,750
Claude code as well. So that whole

1167
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:55,000
experience from chat to generating code

1168
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:56,875
to editing the products

1169
01:35:56,875 --> 01:35:58,375
that you may have in Microsoft's GitHub

1170
01:35:58,375 --> 01:36:01,125
and other things is now just

1171
01:36:01,125 --> 01:36:02,291
looks like it's going to be a

1172
01:36:02,291 --> 01:36:03,416
really, really awesome experience.

1173
01:36:04,666 --> 01:36:06,791
Fantastic. Yeah, it's gonna

1174
01:36:06,791 --> 01:36:07,791
be really interesting to see

1175
01:36:07,875 --> 01:36:10,291
how more people use it and even tools

1176
01:36:10,291 --> 01:36:11,666
that, as you mentioned that

1177
01:36:11,666 --> 01:36:13,291
there's tools that are using

1178
01:36:14,458 --> 01:36:16,916
Claude because it was the best and still

1179
01:36:16,916 --> 01:36:18,708
is the best kind of coding

1180
01:36:18,708 --> 01:36:21,375
tools. So both underneath

1181
01:36:21,375 --> 01:36:24,083
the hood is using Claude and has the

1182
01:36:24,083 --> 01:36:27,750
right thing about bolts has also made

1183
01:36:27,750 --> 01:36:29,291
their stuff open source.

1184
01:36:29,333 --> 01:36:31,125
Now when I say open source, it's not all

1185
01:36:31,125 --> 01:36:32,416
the latest stuff, but they

1186
01:36:32,416 --> 01:36:33,750
made their code base open

1187
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:35,583
source up until a certain point in time.

1188
01:36:35,583 --> 01:36:36,375
I don't know how often

1189
01:36:36,375 --> 01:36:38,000
they updated, but they let the

1190
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,833
community then work with it to build

1191
01:36:39,833 --> 01:36:42,625
their own tools and obviously

1192
01:36:42,625 --> 01:36:44,166
both being commercial entity

1193
01:36:44,458 --> 01:36:47,750
can't just like keep running with all the

1194
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:48,916
open source stuff. They

1195
01:36:48,916 --> 01:36:51,083
have to commercialize. So

1196
01:36:52,291 --> 01:36:54,166
people have taken that on and maybe make

1197
01:36:54,166 --> 01:36:55,125
it so that you can choose

1198
01:36:55,125 --> 01:36:56,750
Gemini. You can choose like

1199
01:36:56,791 --> 01:36:59,833
GPT four oh four point one etcetera for

1200
01:36:59,833 --> 01:37:01,291
all of the reasoning and

1201
01:37:01,291 --> 01:37:02,791
stuff there. So yeah, but really

1202
01:37:02,791 --> 01:37:04,958
interesting stuff. Like I said at the

1203
01:37:04,958 --> 01:37:06,083
start, there's so much

1204
01:37:06,083 --> 01:37:07,333
choice there for consumers.

1205
01:37:07,666 --> 01:37:09,500
Exactly. We'll talk about that in a

1206
01:37:09,500 --> 01:37:12,333
moment. Quick pause. My wife has just

1207
01:37:12,333 --> 01:37:13,791
called me. She was at the

1208
01:37:13,791 --> 01:37:15,500
doctors. I need to take this call

1209
01:37:15,500 --> 01:37:16,666
quickly. Can you talk about the next

1210
01:37:16,666 --> 01:37:17,791
thing? I'll turn my video off.

1211
01:37:19,458 --> 01:37:20,041
Do you have another? Do

1212
01:37:20,041 --> 01:37:20,666
you have more news items?

1213
01:37:20,916 --> 01:37:23,625
You're on mute.

1214
01:37:25,333 --> 01:37:26,250
I'm sorry. I have a

1215
01:37:26,250 --> 01:37:27,083
few more for how long.

1216
01:37:27,666 --> 01:37:28,833
No, no, no, no. I get a quick call. I

1217
01:37:28,833 --> 01:37:29,458
just got a call back

1218
01:37:29,458 --> 01:37:30,416
just in case it's bad news.

1219
01:37:31,083 --> 01:37:32,666
Okay. Just give me.

1220
01:37:32,666 --> 01:37:35,458
Let me grab the screen.

1221
01:37:36,500 --> 01:37:37,291
That's right. Just keep doing what we're

1222
01:37:37,291 --> 01:37:38,000
doing. I'm just until you

1223
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:39,333
I'll put on mute. So if I'm

1224
01:37:39,333 --> 01:37:40,500
so you won't see me, that's all I'm saying. Okay, go ahead.

1225
01:37:40,541 --> 01:37:48,875
Go. All right. Yeah, cool. Three, two,

1226
01:37:48,875 --> 01:37:50,333
one. So another thing that

1227
01:37:50,333 --> 01:37:51,375
we wanted to highlight was

1228
01:37:51,375 --> 01:37:54,541
this thing that Meta is doing. So unlike

1229
01:37:54,541 --> 01:37:57,416
some of the other providers out there

1230
01:37:57,416 --> 01:37:59,291
that they will reuse

1231
01:37:59,291 --> 01:38:01,791
different kind of models. So with Azure,

1232
01:38:02,041 --> 01:38:03,041
you can actually use open

1233
01:38:03,041 --> 01:38:04,541
AI through there because they

1234
01:38:04,541 --> 01:38:06,625
have access to the same models, owning

1235
01:38:06,625 --> 01:38:07,750
half of the company or

1236
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:08,833
investing billions of dollars

1237
01:38:09,166 --> 01:38:12,375
into it makes sense. And it means that

1238
01:38:12,375 --> 01:38:13,416
you can do things like

1239
01:38:13,416 --> 01:38:15,708
having open AI like features,

1240
01:38:15,958 --> 01:38:18,125
but within the confines of the country

1241
01:38:18,125 --> 01:38:18,833
that you're in, which

1242
01:38:18,833 --> 01:38:19,958
is important for some

1243
01:38:20,375 --> 01:38:23,041
business applications. Meta, on the other

1244
01:38:23,041 --> 01:38:24,000
hand, whilst they've

1245
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:26,250
developed their llama application,

1246
01:38:26,708 --> 01:38:28,750
also llama models, they're also looking

1247
01:38:28,750 --> 01:38:30,625
to create this standalone AI

1248
01:38:30,625 --> 01:38:31,916
app. And as you can see here

1249
01:38:31,916 --> 01:38:34,625
from the CNBC article, and Mark

1250
01:38:34,625 --> 01:38:35,791
Zuckerberg has been doing the

1251
01:38:35,791 --> 01:38:37,666
rounds with some interviews. So

1252
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,500
been really interesting to see and get a

1253
01:38:40,500 --> 01:38:42,541
glimpse as to the future of

1254
01:38:42,541 --> 01:38:45,583
AI that he sees there. So you

1255
01:38:45,583 --> 01:38:47,250
can have a read of this article. But

1256
01:38:47,250 --> 01:38:49,041
yeah, they're saying that Meta AI had

1257
01:38:49,041 --> 01:38:51,958
roughly 700 million active

1258
01:38:52,208 --> 01:38:54,458
users. And that was up from 600 million

1259
01:38:54,458 --> 01:38:56,375
in December. So it's

1260
01:38:56,375 --> 01:38:57,416
going to be interesting to see

1261
01:38:57,500 --> 01:39:00,083
how all of the titans, you know, come

1262
01:39:00,083 --> 01:39:03,250
together in that regard. So Grok,

1263
01:39:03,250 --> 01:39:04,666
obviously, you've got what

1264
01:39:04,708 --> 01:39:06,583
you can do with Twitter, which I do find

1265
01:39:06,583 --> 01:39:08,041
interesting, just given that

1266
01:39:08,041 --> 01:39:10,500
they've got all that access to

1267
01:39:10,541 --> 01:39:13,583
the Twitter data, you can do research

1268
01:39:13,583 --> 01:39:15,208
pieces that are just much

1269
01:39:15,208 --> 01:39:16,625
harder to do unless you have the

1270
01:39:16,625 --> 01:39:18,208
Twitter API. And even then, it's quite

1271
01:39:18,208 --> 01:39:19,333
expensive, but using it

1272
01:39:19,333 --> 01:39:21,500
within Grok to conduct research on

1273
01:39:21,500 --> 01:39:24,541
sentiment during certain periods of time,

1274
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:26,791
all that fun stuff is

1275
01:39:26,791 --> 01:39:28,583
definitely possible there. But yeah,

1276
01:39:28,583 --> 01:39:31,083
interesting to see that Meta is now

1277
01:39:31,083 --> 01:39:33,083
adding themselves into the

1278
01:39:33,083 --> 01:39:34,500
mix as well. What do you think?

1279
01:39:34,541 --> 01:39:36,250
That's good. I'm glad that they're doing

1280
01:39:36,250 --> 01:39:38,916
this. It's like, I

1281
01:39:38,916 --> 01:39:40,208
mean, we've talked about how

1282
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,250
how great open source tools are out

1283
01:39:43,250 --> 01:39:47,166
there. And the fact that they're, they're

1284
01:39:47,166 --> 01:39:48,541
not just focusing on

1285
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:50,791
that, you know, that sort of behind the

1286
01:39:50,791 --> 01:39:52,375
scenes open source tooling,

1287
01:39:52,375 --> 01:39:53,583
like Meta is putting stuff

1288
01:39:53,666 --> 01:39:55,291
in front of consumers to show what's

1289
01:39:55,291 --> 01:39:56,583
possible to show what you can

1290
01:39:56,583 --> 01:39:57,875
do and also be able to play and

1291
01:39:57,875 --> 01:39:59,375
tinker with things in a more meaningful

1292
01:39:59,375 --> 01:40:03,125
way. As much as I'm not a

1293
01:40:03,125 --> 01:40:05,791
Meta fan, I'm still glad that

1294
01:40:05,791 --> 01:40:08,208
they're pushing this open source way of

1295
01:40:08,208 --> 01:40:10,916
working with tools like

1296
01:40:10,916 --> 01:40:14,333
this. So I'm pro this type of

1297
01:40:14,333 --> 01:40:15,791
action that they're taking. And it puts

1298
01:40:15,791 --> 01:40:16,958
more pressure on the big

1299
01:40:16,958 --> 01:40:18,916
players to do better and bigger

1300
01:40:19,041 --> 01:40:23,750
things. Particularly with some other

1301
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:25,875
supposed deep seek out to,

1302
01:40:25,875 --> 01:40:28,083
you know, the rumors that are

1303
01:40:28,083 --> 01:40:29,958
spreading about the next level of deep

1304
01:40:29,958 --> 01:40:32,625
seek. This type of stuff puts more

1305
01:40:32,625 --> 01:40:34,041
pressure on people who are

1306
01:40:34,041 --> 01:40:36,166
forcing out to pay big bucks to do better

1307
01:40:36,166 --> 01:40:40,541
things. Absolutely. I had a

1308
01:40:40,541 --> 01:40:41,375
few other like new things,

1309
01:40:41,375 --> 01:40:43,000
but I think they're kind of minor. Was

1310
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:43,750
there anything else that

1311
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:45,875
you wanted to add here before

1312
01:40:45,916 --> 01:40:47,666
we get into like the hands on kind of

1313
01:40:47,666 --> 01:40:50,291
stuff and you know, the, the cost? I'll

1314
01:40:50,291 --> 01:40:51,000
do a couple of quick

1315
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:54,458
ones. Let me take back the presentation.

1316
01:40:56,291 --> 01:40:59,041
And then let's jump into the, yeah,

1317
01:40:59,041 --> 01:41:00,041
really high level. We've

1318
01:41:00,041 --> 01:41:02,208
got Amazon's launching Nova Premiere. So

1319
01:41:02,208 --> 01:41:03,958
another capable, very, very

1320
01:41:03,958 --> 01:41:06,041
capable AI model, just another

1321
01:41:06,041 --> 01:41:09,250
big one to add into the mix there. So

1322
01:41:09,250 --> 01:41:10,583
definitely check that out to

1323
01:41:10,583 --> 01:41:11,791
process text and images and

1324
01:41:11,791 --> 01:41:14,125
video, but not yet audio, which is

1325
01:41:14,125 --> 01:41:16,000
interesting. So that's going to be

1326
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:16,750
available in the Amazon

1327
01:41:16,750 --> 01:41:18,250
bedrock, the company's our model

1328
01:41:18,250 --> 01:41:20,750
development platform. So great for

1329
01:41:20,750 --> 01:41:22,083
businesses looking to

1330
01:41:22,083 --> 01:41:23,541
explore how they develop new things in

1331
01:41:23,541 --> 01:41:26,791
the AI space. Amazon really, really

1332
01:41:26,791 --> 01:41:27,958
trying to keep their

1333
01:41:27,958 --> 01:41:31,125
relevance in the market. Interesting one

1334
01:41:31,125 --> 01:41:32,500
here. I was I've been

1335
01:41:32,500 --> 01:41:35,000
tinkering around with with Manus,

1336
01:41:35,041 --> 01:41:37,083
I kind of, I kind of enjoy Manus. It's

1337
01:41:37,083 --> 01:41:38,875
really easy to do a lot of

1338
01:41:38,875 --> 01:41:42,291
things. But I feel like they've

1339
01:41:42,291 --> 01:41:44,166
had not much news out since like they

1340
01:41:44,166 --> 01:41:46,166
made big, you know, waves

1341
01:41:46,166 --> 01:41:47,416
and stuff. And then after that,

1342
01:41:47,416 --> 01:41:49,125
it's like, oh, people saw that there's

1343
01:41:49,125 --> 01:41:50,166
different models underneath.

1344
01:41:50,166 --> 01:41:51,208
And we had that episode, you

1345
01:41:51,208 --> 01:41:52,666
know, where we were talking about Klein

1346
01:41:52,666 --> 01:41:54,125
being one of the major

1347
01:41:54,125 --> 01:41:55,583
models being the orchestrator

1348
01:41:55,666 --> 01:41:57,125
underneath. And there's been other

1349
01:41:57,125 --> 01:41:59,083
versions of people creating

1350
01:41:59,083 --> 01:42:01,250
tools like Manus. But yeah,

1351
01:42:01,250 --> 01:42:03,083
we haven't really heard much about Manus,

1352
01:42:03,083 --> 01:42:04,291
but they've been chugging away it seems.

1353
01:42:04,625 --> 01:42:05,750
They've been chugging away they've been

1354
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:07,416
staying very relevant, and

1355
01:42:07,416 --> 01:42:08,375
they've been growing, which is

1356
01:42:08,375 --> 01:42:10,041
great. So I think people have found this

1357
01:42:10,041 --> 01:42:11,291
is actually quite a

1358
01:42:11,291 --> 01:42:12,708
powerful tool, and you're getting

1359
01:42:12,708 --> 01:42:15,291
a lot of really strong outcomes from it.

1360
01:42:15,708 --> 01:42:16,333
I think the biggest issue

1361
01:42:16,333 --> 01:42:17,458
right now is price, they need to

1362
01:42:17,458 --> 01:42:19,125
do something about that pricing point.

1363
01:42:19,500 --> 01:42:22,708
But but yeah, so adding that

1364
01:42:22,708 --> 01:42:24,166
pressure, as you've, as you've

1365
01:42:24,166 --> 01:42:26,291
just rightfully highlighted is, I think

1366
01:42:26,291 --> 01:42:27,041
it's pronounced sooner.

1367
01:42:27,041 --> 01:42:29,708
So soon AI is releasing a

1368
01:42:29,875 --> 01:42:31,666
open source, pretty much version of

1369
01:42:31,666 --> 01:42:32,708
Manus, I don't think

1370
01:42:32,708 --> 01:42:33,708
they're going to have the level of

1371
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:36,041
agent availability, and they don't have

1372
01:42:36,041 --> 01:42:38,833
the level of, I guess,

1373
01:42:39,333 --> 01:42:40,208
there's the people who are

1374
01:42:40,208 --> 01:42:42,291
contributing to the development of Manus

1375
01:42:42,291 --> 01:42:44,083
in the background. But this is

1376
01:42:44,083 --> 01:42:45,666
essentially a fully open

1377
01:42:45,666 --> 01:42:50,375
source AGI, AGI agent capable platform,

1378
01:42:50,750 --> 01:42:52,333
that be you have to, you

1379
01:42:52,333 --> 01:42:53,583
know, do a bit of a tinkering

1380
01:42:53,583 --> 01:42:56,250
and setup to be able to manage and work

1381
01:42:56,250 --> 01:42:57,875
it yourself. So there's

1382
01:42:57,875 --> 01:42:58,833
a couple of articles out

1383
01:42:58,875 --> 01:43:00,958
here, we'll share these in our on the

1384
01:43:00,958 --> 01:43:02,750
show notes, right how you can download

1385
01:43:02,750 --> 01:43:03,708
this, install it and

1386
01:43:03,708 --> 01:43:06,083
have a play. Albeit, I'd be cautious

1387
01:43:06,083 --> 01:43:08,333
around it, it is obviously because it is

1388
01:43:08,333 --> 01:43:09,375
open source, and you

1389
01:43:09,375 --> 01:43:10,916
are installing this stuff onto your own

1390
01:43:10,916 --> 01:43:13,416
system, be very wary of the safety and

1391
01:43:13,416 --> 01:43:14,625
security of your data,

1392
01:43:14,791 --> 01:43:16,416
as always when playing

1393
01:43:16,416 --> 01:43:17,375
with the types of tools.

1394
01:43:17,833 --> 01:43:19,250
Yeah, it's the speaking of this kind of

1395
01:43:19,250 --> 01:43:20,291
stuff, because the barrier

1396
01:43:20,291 --> 01:43:21,583
is lowered, and people can

1397
01:43:21,583 --> 01:43:23,916
just do things and install, I think they

1398
01:43:23,916 --> 01:43:25,125
need to take one big step

1399
01:43:25,125 --> 01:43:26,500
back and actually ask AI

1400
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:29,791
or watch videos just to see like what are

1401
01:43:29,791 --> 01:43:30,458
the things that you

1402
01:43:30,458 --> 01:43:31,625
need to have in place. So

1403
01:43:31,791 --> 01:43:34,000
many developers, for example, would have

1404
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:35,333
some sort of like

1405
01:43:35,333 --> 01:43:37,625
development environment on their

1406
01:43:37,625 --> 01:43:39,291
computer to be able to do this, they

1407
01:43:39,291 --> 01:43:42,208
wouldn't just install it on the same like

1408
01:43:42,208 --> 01:43:42,958
even having like just

1409
01:43:42,958 --> 01:43:45,416
the virtual server where it's some kind

1410
01:43:45,416 --> 01:43:47,458
of air gapped and can't affect other

1411
01:43:47,458 --> 01:43:48,458
things on the machine,

1412
01:43:49,083 --> 01:43:50,625
whether that is something that you just

1413
01:43:50,625 --> 01:43:51,875
access through a proper

1414
01:43:51,875 --> 01:43:54,916
server like Amazon or Azure or

1415
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,833
GCP for Google, or even just like doing

1416
01:43:57,833 --> 01:43:58,958
it on your own machine, like

1417
01:43:58,958 --> 01:44:00,291
being able to just do things

1418
01:44:00,291 --> 01:44:02,583
in a test environment. And then it speaks

1419
01:44:02,583 --> 01:44:03,708
to like when people are

1420
01:44:03,708 --> 01:44:04,958
vibe coding their way through

1421
01:44:04,958 --> 01:44:07,458
things, that's fine until it comes to the

1422
01:44:07,458 --> 01:44:08,208
things like so for

1423
01:44:08,208 --> 01:44:10,666
example, my brother, he's a nurse,

1424
01:44:10,666 --> 01:44:12,416
but he started getting into this kind of

1425
01:44:12,416 --> 01:44:13,416
stuff and built out some

1426
01:44:13,416 --> 01:44:14,541
really cool things. And then I

1427
01:44:14,541 --> 01:44:16,583
took a look at it. And it's like, right,

1428
01:44:16,791 --> 01:44:18,291
okay, so where's the so

1429
01:44:18,291 --> 01:44:19,166
you've got things connected

1430
01:44:19,166 --> 01:44:21,916
with the database, cool. But it's not

1431
01:44:21,916 --> 01:44:22,750
updating, it's not

1432
01:44:22,750 --> 01:44:24,041
populating it, because there was no

1433
01:44:24,041 --> 01:44:26,750
authorization on there. So he's getting

1434
01:44:26,750 --> 01:44:28,666
stuff being seen in the

1435
01:44:28,666 --> 01:44:29,875
screen, but it's not actually

1436
01:44:29,875 --> 01:44:31,583
updating a database, even though it's

1437
01:44:31,583 --> 01:44:33,166
been connected. And it's just those

1438
01:44:33,166 --> 01:44:34,333
little things. And it turns

1439
01:44:34,333 --> 01:44:36,250
out he's gone further down one way, I'm

1440
01:44:36,250 --> 01:44:37,541
going to try to salvage the

1441
01:44:37,541 --> 01:44:40,125
work for him. But he's gone

1442
01:44:40,125 --> 01:44:42,375
down so far that trying to add the things

1443
01:44:42,375 --> 01:44:43,541
that were necessary after

1444
01:44:43,541 --> 01:44:45,208
the fact is actually a lot

1445
01:44:45,250 --> 01:44:48,083
harder. So there is this need to just

1446
01:44:48,083 --> 01:44:49,333
kind of step back, it's called a

1447
01:44:49,333 --> 01:44:50,125
prototype. But when you

1448
01:44:50,166 --> 01:44:51,833
actually want to get something out there,

1449
01:44:51,833 --> 01:44:52,666
the steps that you need

1450
01:44:52,666 --> 01:44:53,666
to take to build things

1451
01:44:53,666 --> 01:44:56,333
properly, it's worthwhile having having a

1452
01:44:56,333 --> 01:44:57,333
look at and you know, we

1453
01:44:57,333 --> 01:44:58,291
might be able to help out

1454
01:44:58,291 --> 01:45:00,666
there people are interested in, hey, how

1455
01:45:00,666 --> 01:45:01,750
do I get started with bolts?

1456
01:45:01,750 --> 01:45:02,875
And how do I do these sorts

1457
01:45:02,875 --> 01:45:04,083
of things? You know, feel free to reach

1458
01:45:04,083 --> 01:45:05,833
out. Hold on because we will,

1459
01:45:05,833 --> 01:45:06,958
I think we will look back to

1460
01:45:06,958 --> 01:45:07,791
that because it's a very interesting

1461
01:45:07,791 --> 01:45:08,625
topic, particularly around

1462
01:45:08,625 --> 01:45:09,791
types of tools that we use

1463
01:45:09,791 --> 01:45:12,000
and why it's big question for us. In

1464
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:12,666
terms of some other quick

1465
01:45:12,666 --> 01:45:14,958
bad rise. So Juno, one of my

1466
01:45:14,958 --> 01:45:16,875
favorite UX research tools, I'm using it

1467
01:45:16,875 --> 01:45:18,291
for quite a few projects that

1468
01:45:18,291 --> 01:45:19,375
I've been working on over the

1469
01:45:19,666 --> 01:45:22,291
couple last year or so. So they just had

1470
01:45:22,291 --> 01:45:23,541
a big update, they unlock

1471
01:45:23,541 --> 01:45:24,666
some new funding as well.

1472
01:45:25,291 --> 01:45:27,041
So if you're interested in doing some

1473
01:45:27,041 --> 01:45:28,208
rapid research, user

1474
01:45:28,208 --> 01:45:31,125
utilizing AI with engaging with

1475
01:45:31,125 --> 01:45:33,625
real people, how they now present the

1476
01:45:33,625 --> 01:45:35,083
outcomes and data has been

1477
01:45:35,083 --> 01:45:35,916
upgraded. I don't have some

1478
01:45:35,916 --> 01:45:37,208
screenshots here because that would give

1479
01:45:37,208 --> 01:45:37,916
away information and

1480
01:45:37,916 --> 01:45:39,416
data set. But essentially,

1481
01:45:39,500 --> 01:45:41,458
now they've got more graphs and tables

1482
01:45:41,458 --> 01:45:43,250
around specific things that you can

1483
01:45:43,958 --> 01:45:47,416
interrogate conversations that have been

1484
01:45:47,416 --> 01:45:49,166
had. What are keywords and

1485
01:45:49,166 --> 01:45:50,541
trends? What do these trends

1486
01:45:50,541 --> 01:45:53,125
and keywords actually mean in terms of

1487
01:45:53,125 --> 01:45:54,500
decisions and ideas that you should

1488
01:45:54,500 --> 01:45:56,416
create? And they've even

1489
01:45:56,416 --> 01:45:58,416
released some new tiers of pricing as

1490
01:45:58,416 --> 01:46:00,625
well. So previously, there

1491
01:46:00,625 --> 01:46:02,291
was no free tier, you couldn't

1492
01:46:02,291 --> 01:46:04,250
do any sort of low key testing. Now

1493
01:46:04,250 --> 01:46:06,000
they've got free tiers, you can do 30

1494
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,125
interviews per month,

1495
01:46:08,125 --> 01:46:09,541
which is quite substantial, even for a

1496
01:46:09,541 --> 01:46:10,875
small research project.

1497
01:46:10,875 --> 01:46:11,291
So very worth jumping in

1498
01:46:11,333 --> 01:46:13,875
and having a play around if you haven't

1499
01:46:13,875 --> 01:46:14,791
seen or heard about this

1500
01:46:14,791 --> 01:46:16,041
already. And then you got the

1501
01:46:16,041 --> 01:46:17,791
free tier, the paid tier, which I use

1502
01:46:17,791 --> 01:46:19,416
quite a lot as well. So definitely check

1503
01:46:19,416 --> 01:46:20,541
that out. Very, very cool.

1504
01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:24,041
Yeah. And the founder, I think Michelle,

1505
01:46:24,041 --> 01:46:27,208
it was met her at a recent

1506
01:46:27,208 --> 01:46:29,166
or recent a few months ago,

1507
01:46:29,166 --> 01:46:31,708
JEPI Labs event and Chris, you and I,

1508
01:46:31,708 --> 01:46:33,666
we're going to be going to the

1509
01:46:33,666 --> 01:46:35,541
next one, which is March. Oh,

1510
01:46:35,583 --> 01:46:39,250
sorry, March is next year. It's, I think

1511
01:46:39,250 --> 01:46:41,750
it was like, not the 8th of

1512
01:46:41,750 --> 01:46:43,708
May, maybe it was the 8th of May.

1513
01:46:44,500 --> 01:46:47,333
I didn't realize that's a Saturday, the

1514
01:46:47,333 --> 01:46:49,166
8th of May. Oh, that's next

1515
01:46:49,166 --> 01:46:51,666
week. Yeah, we're gonna have to

1516
01:46:51,958 --> 01:46:53,791
take a look. I thought it was like during

1517
01:46:53,791 --> 01:46:56,041
a weekday. I said that,

1518
01:46:56,041 --> 01:46:56,791
hey, we would go in and

1519
01:46:56,791 --> 01:46:59,791
film and stuff like that. Saturday. Let's

1520
01:46:59,791 --> 01:47:00,791
see. Let's look at that.

1521
01:47:01,250 --> 01:47:03,250
Yeah. Last one on my part,

1522
01:47:03,291 --> 01:47:04,583
before we jump into something a little

1523
01:47:04,583 --> 01:47:06,250
more serious. So

1524
01:47:06,250 --> 01:47:09,291
interestingly, so LM Arena, have you

1525
01:47:09,500 --> 01:47:12,333
know LM Arena, they obviously do a lot of

1526
01:47:12,333 --> 01:47:14,500
the AI, LLM comparisons in

1527
01:47:14,500 --> 01:47:15,666
terms of which one's the best,

1528
01:47:15,666 --> 01:47:18,208
for what reason and why they've been

1529
01:47:18,208 --> 01:47:21,166
accused of data of

1530
01:47:21,166 --> 01:47:23,583
manipulation of allowing certain

1531
01:47:24,458 --> 01:47:27,708
LLMs or AI platforms to game the system.

1532
01:47:28,166 --> 01:47:28,958
So there was a study that

1533
01:47:28,958 --> 01:47:31,291
was done over the last couple

1534
01:47:31,333 --> 01:47:34,250
months, and they tested 27 models and

1535
01:47:34,250 --> 01:47:37,041
variations of chatbots. And they found

1536
01:47:37,041 --> 01:47:38,125
that the data didn't

1537
01:47:38,125 --> 01:47:40,833
really align with what the actual tool

1538
01:47:40,833 --> 01:47:42,458
was outputting in

1539
01:47:42,458 --> 01:47:44,125
specific scenarios. So they think

1540
01:47:44,125 --> 01:47:45,583
that they've been able to, they've

1541
01:47:45,583 --> 01:47:49,958
allowing these AI tools to, I guess, do

1542
01:47:49,958 --> 01:47:51,125
things in certain ways

1543
01:47:51,125 --> 01:47:53,291
with specific queries. Kind of like if

1544
01:47:53,291 --> 01:47:55,041
you go back to, if you remember what

1545
01:47:55,041 --> 01:47:56,291
happened with Audi and

1546
01:47:56,708 --> 01:47:58,416
Volkswagen, how they were gaming the

1547
01:47:58,416 --> 01:48:00,166
system by doing certain

1548
01:48:00,166 --> 01:48:01,458
things to their cars and certain

1549
01:48:01,500 --> 01:48:03,291
conditions. So it looks like that they've

1550
01:48:03,291 --> 01:48:04,375
been allowing these AI

1551
01:48:04,375 --> 01:48:05,750
tools to do the same thing,

1552
01:48:06,041 --> 01:48:07,625
therefore making them appear better than

1553
01:48:07,625 --> 01:48:10,000
they actually are. So then

1554
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:11,166
they're favoring it. They

1555
01:48:11,166 --> 01:48:13,041
don't know how, so they don't know why,

1556
01:48:13,333 --> 01:48:15,500
or if there's any benefits

1557
01:48:15,500 --> 01:48:16,666
from a costing perspective.

1558
01:48:16,916 --> 01:48:18,583
You know, are they getting paid to do

1559
01:48:18,583 --> 01:48:19,208
this? But it's

1560
01:48:19,208 --> 01:48:20,500
definitely put them in hot order,

1561
01:48:20,958 --> 01:48:25,166
as the title says there. And people

1562
01:48:25,166 --> 01:48:26,666
questioning now the validity of the

1563
01:48:26,666 --> 01:48:27,833
insights of that, which is

1564
01:48:27,833 --> 01:48:29,166
not a good thing, particularly when we're

1565
01:48:29,166 --> 01:48:30,791
trying to use and rely on

1566
01:48:30,791 --> 01:48:32,166
these tools to make decisions

1567
01:48:32,166 --> 01:48:35,041
or use the best one. The one that I go

1568
01:48:35,041 --> 01:48:36,916
to, if you want to just

1569
01:48:36,916 --> 01:48:38,375
type in a new tab, artificial

1570
01:48:38,541 --> 01:48:40,583
analysis, they're an Aussie company. So

1571
01:48:40,583 --> 01:48:41,916
let's give them a plug, but just

1572
01:48:41,916 --> 01:48:43,375
artificial analysis. I can't

1573
01:48:43,375 --> 01:48:44,958
remember what it is, but just Google it.

1574
01:48:46,166 --> 01:48:47,791
They are Sydney based, and

1575
01:48:47,791 --> 01:48:49,666
they've been featured in many

1576
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:53,125
prominent kind of AI broadcasters and

1577
01:48:53,125 --> 01:48:54,791
people speaking up online.

1578
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:56,750
And so they do model ratings

1579
01:48:56,750 --> 01:49:00,291
as well. And as far as I'm aware of, they

1580
01:49:00,291 --> 01:49:02,958
haven't had any kind of controversies

1581
01:49:02,958 --> 01:49:03,916
like this. If you're

1582
01:49:03,916 --> 01:49:05,375
looking for something different,

1583
01:49:05,583 --> 01:49:06,791
definitely worth checking them out.

1584
01:49:07,083 --> 01:49:07,875
Though, no doubt, you've

1585
01:49:07,875 --> 01:49:10,333
probably heard of them already. Yeah, is

1586
01:49:10,333 --> 01:49:14,166
that the one with the human

1587
01:49:14,166 --> 01:49:15,458
ranking as well, where people

1588
01:49:15,666 --> 01:49:19,541
actually rate the outcomes on the AI

1589
01:49:19,541 --> 01:49:21,375
models? Yeah, I know the one you're

1590
01:49:21,375 --> 01:49:22,875
talking about. It is

1591
01:49:22,875 --> 01:49:25,500
tip of my tongue. I cannot remember if

1592
01:49:25,500 --> 01:49:26,708
only there was like an AI to

1593
01:49:26,708 --> 01:49:28,625
help us out. I looked it up,

1594
01:49:28,625 --> 01:49:30,958
but it's not coming up with it. Did you

1595
01:49:30,958 --> 01:49:31,958
type in AI human

1596
01:49:31,958 --> 01:49:33,583
ranking as well? Yeah, I did.

1597
01:49:34,750 --> 01:49:36,000
No, I think it was I think it was chatbot

1598
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:37,666
arena, man. I thought arena, it is

1599
01:49:37,666 --> 01:49:38,416
chatbot. That's what I

1600
01:49:38,416 --> 01:49:41,625
thought. Yeah. Yeah, there's LM. The one

1601
01:49:41,625 --> 01:49:42,291
that you had before then

1602
01:49:42,291 --> 01:49:43,375
chatbot arena is the one that

1603
01:49:43,416 --> 01:49:47,333
has a human ranking kind of system as

1604
01:49:47,333 --> 01:49:48,416
well, which, you know, if

1605
01:49:48,416 --> 01:49:49,291
you think about it, like,

1606
01:49:49,666 --> 01:49:51,708
to you, what might be a hallucination,

1607
01:49:51,708 --> 01:49:53,000
for example, because it didn't quite

1608
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:54,208
write the story or the

1609
01:49:54,208 --> 01:49:56,041
marketing piece, you know, that you like,

1610
01:49:56,041 --> 01:49:56,958
but then someone else sees

1611
01:49:56,958 --> 01:49:58,708
that piece and it's right for

1612
01:49:58,708 --> 01:50:01,125
them. It's like, Oh, yeah, this is good,

1613
01:50:01,416 --> 01:50:03,416
depending on, you know, what they're

1614
01:50:03,416 --> 01:50:05,291
after. So humans are

1615
01:50:05,291 --> 01:50:08,208
just vastly subjective. So anyway, very

1616
01:50:08,208 --> 01:50:10,875
much so. And actually

1617
01:50:10,875 --> 01:50:11,958
talking about that subjectivity is

1618
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,166
exactly what I wanted to talk about next

1619
01:50:14,166 --> 01:50:16,541
is around that choice,

1620
01:50:16,541 --> 01:50:18,583
like what, what LLMs are you

1621
01:50:18,583 --> 01:50:21,666
using for and why I think going off that

1622
01:50:21,666 --> 01:50:23,750
query, you just said, a good

1623
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:25,208
example I see a lot is people

1624
01:50:25,333 --> 01:50:28,666
love using Claude for a lot of their

1625
01:50:28,666 --> 01:50:30,208
general discussion points,

1626
01:50:30,208 --> 01:50:31,458
because they actually like the,

1627
01:50:31,708 --> 01:50:32,791
I don't know if the simplicity is right,

1628
01:50:32,791 --> 01:50:33,666
where they like the way that

1629
01:50:33,666 --> 01:50:34,708
the outcomes are structures,

1630
01:50:34,708 --> 01:50:37,333
whereas I actually don't like Claude's

1631
01:50:37,333 --> 01:50:39,208
output when it comes to general

1632
01:50:39,208 --> 01:50:40,583
conversations, research,

1633
01:50:40,625 --> 01:50:43,916
and ideation, I much prefer, whether it's

1634
01:50:43,916 --> 01:50:45,833
perplexity or open AI is

1635
01:50:45,833 --> 01:50:47,333
chat, GPT, whether it's

1636
01:50:47,333 --> 01:50:48,750
a four, four, five, particularly for

1637
01:50:48,750 --> 01:50:51,666
research, and ideation, and even know

1638
01:50:51,666 --> 01:50:52,541
three, if I want to do

1639
01:50:52,541 --> 01:50:54,833
more deeper stuff, I prefer their

1640
01:50:54,833 --> 01:50:56,666
outputs, maybe because of the richer

1641
01:50:56,666 --> 01:50:57,958
content, I'm not so fussed

1642
01:50:57,958 --> 01:51:00,583
about it being humanized, I want I want

1643
01:51:00,583 --> 01:51:01,916
detail and insights, I find

1644
01:51:01,916 --> 01:51:03,458
that one. So there's like,

1645
01:51:03,458 --> 01:51:04,958
there's a really good example where I

1646
01:51:04,958 --> 01:51:06,041
kind of clash with what a

1647
01:51:06,041 --> 01:51:07,083
lot of other people think about

1648
01:51:07,208 --> 01:51:10,333
in terms of what they want. Now, that's

1649
01:51:10,333 --> 01:51:12,541
interesting. In terms of tools I'm using,

1650
01:51:12,541 --> 01:51:13,875
I mean, obviously, still a lot of chat

1651
01:51:13,875 --> 01:51:15,833
GPT, I use Claude bit more

1652
01:51:15,833 --> 01:51:17,416
so through bolt and building

1653
01:51:17,500 --> 01:51:20,750
things. And then what I I've been doing a

1654
01:51:20,750 --> 01:51:22,458
lot of and just, I need to

1655
01:51:22,458 --> 01:51:24,208
get it into a state where I

1656
01:51:24,208 --> 01:51:25,958
can actually share a screen on this with

1657
01:51:25,958 --> 01:51:27,500
just some dummy data, I'll

1658
01:51:27,500 --> 01:51:29,541
make a fake user for it, but

1659
01:51:29,875 --> 01:51:33,041
building my own CRM. And it's it's a four

1660
01:51:33,041 --> 01:51:34,416
in one system. And what it

1661
01:51:34,416 --> 01:51:35,458
is, there'll soon be a five

1662
01:51:35,500 --> 01:51:36,875
in one because I'll be emailing through

1663
01:51:36,875 --> 01:51:38,291
it as well. But imagine that

1664
01:51:38,291 --> 01:51:40,083
I've created a system that is

1665
01:51:40,375 --> 01:51:43,791
part like Zoho HubSpot CRM, it's part

1666
01:51:43,791 --> 01:51:45,500
chat bot, because it can speak to

1667
01:51:45,500 --> 01:51:46,458
everything that's in there.

1668
01:51:46,958 --> 01:51:49,958
It's a workflow tool, just like Jira is

1669
01:51:49,958 --> 01:51:50,958
and I used to use a lot of

1670
01:51:50,958 --> 01:51:53,833
Jira. And then I'm adding news

1671
01:51:53,833 --> 01:51:56,791
features and stuff in there. And just the

1672
01:51:56,791 --> 01:51:58,750
ability for me to kind of just like

1673
01:51:58,750 --> 01:52:00,291
manage Google notes,

1674
01:52:00,833 --> 01:52:03,250
for example, and just every every note,

1675
01:52:03,250 --> 01:52:03,875
whether it's newsletters,

1676
01:52:04,166 --> 01:52:05,625
it's things for this. And I know

1677
01:52:05,625 --> 01:52:07,083
we've got a shared Google Drive just

1678
01:52:07,083 --> 01:52:08,750
because that's how that has

1679
01:52:08,750 --> 01:52:10,041
to work. But everything else

1680
01:52:10,041 --> 01:52:11,791
that I've done where I would normally use

1681
01:52:11,791 --> 01:52:13,333
Google notes, the things

1682
01:52:13,333 --> 01:52:15,375
I've got my own CRM, that's a

1683
01:52:15,416 --> 01:52:17,041
similar kind of experience, but just

1684
01:52:17,041 --> 01:52:19,666
powered by AI. So I use that a

1685
01:52:19,666 --> 01:52:21,250
lot day to day just because I

1686
01:52:21,250 --> 01:52:22,791
don't want to have to jump to different

1687
01:52:22,791 --> 01:52:24,083
screens. And because I know

1688
01:52:24,083 --> 01:52:25,000
how to build these things,

1689
01:52:25,083 --> 01:52:27,583
I can create that. And I've even had

1690
01:52:27,583 --> 01:52:29,166
clients like wanting to have

1691
01:52:29,166 --> 01:52:31,041
some similar type experience

1692
01:52:31,416 --> 01:52:33,458
for their stuff. But the thing that I

1693
01:52:33,458 --> 01:52:37,916
work on the most is Psych, the revamped

1694
01:52:37,916 --> 01:52:39,083
version of Psych, which

1695
01:52:39,250 --> 01:52:40,875
you'll see on screen. And for many

1696
01:52:40,875 --> 01:52:42,125
people, this is the first time that

1697
01:52:42,125 --> 01:52:43,041
they're seeing it, they're

1698
01:52:43,041 --> 01:52:45,833
used to the white, the old version, when

1699
01:52:45,833 --> 01:52:47,041
I say old, it's two years

1700
01:52:47,041 --> 01:52:49,291
old, Arturo and us, we created

1701
01:52:49,333 --> 01:52:52,875
it back in 2023, if you believe it,

1702
01:52:52,875 --> 01:52:53,791
right, the old version of

1703
01:52:53,791 --> 01:52:55,875
psych. But now we've got this one

1704
01:52:55,875 --> 01:52:58,291
where the main thing is the research area

1705
01:52:58,291 --> 01:53:00,166
used to be called knowledge

1706
01:53:00,166 --> 01:53:01,791
modules. And you can see here,

1707
01:53:02,125 --> 01:53:05,208
the user can create a project, they can

1708
01:53:05,208 --> 01:53:06,416
put those projects into

1709
01:53:06,416 --> 01:53:09,833
folders. Within a project, they can

1710
01:53:09,875 --> 01:53:13,125
add documents, they can add little notes

1711
01:53:13,125 --> 01:53:14,416
for dreams and stuff like

1712
01:53:14,416 --> 01:53:16,208
that, add other users for

1713
01:53:16,250 --> 01:53:18,625
permissioning and then use the AI system

1714
01:53:18,625 --> 01:53:19,625
and see all the pre just

1715
01:53:19,625 --> 01:53:21,833
like chat GPT. A similar kind of

1716
01:53:21,833 --> 01:53:23,541
experience. Sorry, what was that? It's

1717
01:53:23,541 --> 01:53:25,458
looking a lot sleeker. It's like a man

1718
01:53:25,458 --> 01:53:26,916
knows. And here's the

1719
01:53:26,916 --> 01:53:28,625
thing. I'm not a designer folks. But

1720
01:53:28,625 --> 01:53:30,458
imagine if I was imagine if I took a

1721
01:53:30,458 --> 01:53:31,541
course from a guy named

1722
01:53:31,541 --> 01:53:34,541
Chris, and his mate Matt, just how much

1723
01:53:34,541 --> 01:53:35,708
better this kind of stuff

1724
01:53:35,708 --> 01:53:37,375
would be. But the point is,

1725
01:53:37,375 --> 01:53:39,541
is that I can, you know, talk to the

1726
01:53:39,541 --> 01:53:40,625
documents that are here,

1727
01:53:40,625 --> 01:53:42,041
ask questions, etc, like that,

1728
01:53:42,083 --> 01:53:44,708
but even better, and the experience just

1729
01:53:44,708 --> 01:53:46,000
because I can, you know,

1730
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:47,416
take the code that Arturo has

1731
01:53:47,416 --> 01:53:49,333
written and take it a whole lot further,

1732
01:53:50,375 --> 01:53:52,250
be able to create these

1733
01:53:52,250 --> 01:53:54,625
agentic workflows where let's just

1734
01:53:54,625 --> 01:53:56,875
pull up a previous one. Here's a little

1735
01:53:56,875 --> 01:53:59,375
mini test that, you know, this one here

1736
01:53:59,375 --> 01:54:00,916
has been tasked with

1737
01:54:00,916 --> 01:54:03,500
looking at a couple of documents, I can't

1738
01:54:03,500 --> 01:54:05,041
remember which one it is. That's

1739
01:54:05,041 --> 01:54:06,083
something for me to add,

1740
01:54:06,083 --> 01:54:08,708
just the ability that it's when it's

1741
01:54:08,708 --> 01:54:10,375
looking at stuff that it's going to, you

1742
01:54:10,375 --> 01:54:11,166
know, highlight just

1743
01:54:11,208 --> 01:54:13,375
straight away, you know, what it is that

1744
01:54:13,375 --> 01:54:14,166
it's actually clicking

1745
01:54:14,166 --> 01:54:15,291
on. So let's just get it to

1746
01:54:15,291 --> 01:54:18,000
look at this one, for example. This one

1747
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:19,875
is using like other documents

1748
01:54:19,875 --> 01:54:21,500
as well. I think it's in here,

1749
01:54:21,500 --> 01:54:23,541
it's it's related to psych, but you can,

1750
01:54:23,791 --> 01:54:25,416
you can get the AI to

1751
01:54:25,416 --> 01:54:27,375
output these agentic workflows,

1752
01:54:27,375 --> 01:54:29,666
which I can copy individual results out

1753
01:54:29,666 --> 01:54:31,666
of. I can save these

1754
01:54:31,666 --> 01:54:33,916
workflows, I can copy them,

1755
01:54:33,916 --> 01:54:36,250
repeat them, I can copy all the outputs,

1756
01:54:36,250 --> 01:54:37,333
but just imagine for

1757
01:54:37,333 --> 01:54:38,541
grants, imagine for marketing,

1758
01:54:38,708 --> 01:54:40,250
and all you're doing is just selecting

1759
01:54:40,250 --> 01:54:41,375
new documents that are

1760
01:54:41,375 --> 01:54:42,375
going to feed into it,

1761
01:54:42,708 --> 01:54:44,291
and then you just click Run, and then the

1762
01:54:44,291 --> 01:54:45,666
process gives you an output,

1763
01:54:45,666 --> 01:54:46,958
you quickly read it, and you

1764
01:54:46,958 --> 01:54:49,250
go, Yep, that's good. For grant writers,

1765
01:54:49,500 --> 01:54:50,791
for people that are doing

1766
01:54:50,791 --> 01:54:52,750
repetitive kind of workflows,

1767
01:54:53,250 --> 01:54:54,958
we've added all that. And then, you know,

1768
01:54:54,958 --> 01:54:56,875
just because we can

1769
01:54:56,875 --> 01:54:58,166
create this stuff, it's like,

1770
01:54:58,166 --> 01:55:00,041
you know, what comes out of the, our

1771
01:55:00,041 --> 01:55:01,500
minds as well as what users are

1772
01:55:01,500 --> 01:55:03,000
demanding, they want to be able

1773
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:06,083
to do things like being able to create

1774
01:55:06,083 --> 01:55:07,500
business reports and

1775
01:55:07,500 --> 01:55:09,541
stories and just creative things.

1776
01:55:09,541 --> 01:55:11,708
In the same manner as well, in the same

1777
01:55:11,708 --> 01:55:12,833
way, like, you know, is

1778
01:55:12,833 --> 01:55:13,833
in a structure format.

1779
01:55:14,666 --> 01:55:16,041
Exactly. So imagine that you have a tool

1780
01:55:16,041 --> 01:55:17,291
rather than having to

1781
01:55:17,291 --> 01:55:18,500
have multiple chat threads,

1782
01:55:18,500 --> 01:55:20,625
or just the one giant chat thread in chat

1783
01:55:20,625 --> 01:55:22,541
GPT, you can do stuff like

1784
01:55:22,541 --> 01:55:23,666
this, where here's the full

1785
01:55:23,666 --> 01:55:25,208
content is something that I'm playing

1786
01:55:25,208 --> 01:55:26,791
around with writing, these are three

1787
01:55:26,791 --> 01:55:28,333
chapters or three sections,

1788
01:55:28,541 --> 01:55:31,166
as you call it, but then within each

1789
01:55:31,166 --> 01:55:33,625
section, I can either bring in the

1790
01:55:33,625 --> 01:55:34,791
different agent outputs

1791
01:55:34,791 --> 01:55:36,500
that I saw before. So these are all the

1792
01:55:36,500 --> 01:55:37,875
different agent examples of

1793
01:55:37,875 --> 01:55:39,916
work that I'm doing. I can copy

1794
01:55:39,916 --> 01:55:42,833
them in here, or I can just use AI with

1795
01:55:42,833 --> 01:55:44,875
some sliders, or with

1796
01:55:44,875 --> 01:55:47,750
some writing style examples,

1797
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:50,500
get it to generate content that you see

1798
01:55:50,500 --> 01:55:53,250
on screen here, that I can copy out, it

1799
01:55:53,250 --> 01:55:54,208
goes into the story,

1800
01:55:54,250 --> 01:55:56,208
if I want to edit it, I can just edit it

1801
01:55:56,208 --> 01:55:57,208
here. That's what goes

1802
01:55:57,208 --> 01:55:58,750
into the story. But just the

1803
01:55:58,750 --> 01:56:01,000
point is, it's around all of these just

1804
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:02,416
faster, quicker

1805
01:56:02,416 --> 01:56:05,166
streamline workflows that require,

1806
01:56:05,625 --> 01:56:07,416
used to require jumping around to

1807
01:56:07,416 --> 01:56:09,666
different apps, don't have to. This is

1808
01:56:09,666 --> 01:56:10,500
the kind of stuff that we've

1809
01:56:10,500 --> 01:56:11,791
got for cycle, a lot of people, these are

1810
01:56:11,791 --> 01:56:12,958
generic kind of things, but

1811
01:56:12,958 --> 01:56:15,041
because we can create bespoke

1812
01:56:15,666 --> 01:56:17,625
features, models, all that kind of stuff,

1813
01:56:18,291 --> 01:56:19,708
the sky's the limit. So

1814
01:56:19,708 --> 01:56:21,166
that's a big focus of mine,

1815
01:56:21,208 --> 01:56:23,708
as well as just using my own CRM that

1816
01:56:23,708 --> 01:56:25,750
I've built, because we're in a world

1817
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:26,541
where you can do that.

1818
01:56:27,291 --> 01:56:29,458
And it's an interesting thing, this is

1819
01:56:29,458 --> 01:56:31,791
why the rise of tools like Manus and

1820
01:56:32,208 --> 01:56:33,875
Suna, which I just realised is anus

1821
01:56:33,875 --> 01:56:37,916
backward, are popping up here

1822
01:56:37,916 --> 01:56:40,041
and there, because it's that

1823
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:43,291
simplicity of having that one system that

1824
01:56:43,291 --> 01:56:44,333
can do everything the

1825
01:56:44,333 --> 01:56:46,625
other LLMs just do as well,

1826
01:56:47,041 --> 01:56:49,208
but also fit within your working style

1827
01:56:49,208 --> 01:56:49,875
and your workflows

1828
01:56:49,875 --> 01:56:51,000
that you're conducting.

1829
01:56:51,708 --> 01:56:54,791
That's it. And I think Suna had to have

1830
01:56:54,791 --> 01:56:56,791
that name because after Manus came out,

1831
01:56:56,791 --> 01:56:58,291
there was a model that came out that

1832
01:56:58,291 --> 01:56:59,458
improved on Manus and

1833
01:56:59,458 --> 01:57:00,500
they just took off the M.

1834
01:57:01,333 --> 01:57:04,625
So I think Suna's got like, "Are we able

1835
01:57:04,625 --> 01:57:05,791
to do this way?" Yeah.

1836
01:57:06,125 --> 01:57:09,958
Yeah, that's fair. It's interesting if

1837
01:57:09,958 --> 01:57:10,666
you think about some of the

1838
01:57:10,666 --> 01:57:12,333
stuff that I'm using. Again,

1839
01:57:12,375 --> 01:57:14,041
I'm similar to yourself very much in that

1840
01:57:14,041 --> 01:57:16,291
open AI space, heavily

1841
01:57:16,291 --> 01:57:18,083
use that for, particularly

1842
01:57:18,083 --> 01:57:19,541
because I love the project folders that

1843
01:57:19,541 --> 01:57:20,666
you can now create. So

1844
01:57:20,666 --> 01:57:22,166
if I get a certain output,

1845
01:57:22,166 --> 01:57:23,958
I can make sure those outputs are

1846
01:57:23,958 --> 01:57:26,708
something I can continually refer to if I

1847
01:57:26,708 --> 01:57:28,375
like what happened to it,

1848
01:57:28,916 --> 01:57:31,166
or I can add my files into it. And so now

1849
01:57:31,166 --> 01:57:31,625
I've got these little

1850
01:57:31,625 --> 01:57:33,083
project folders, very similar to

1851
01:57:33,083 --> 01:57:35,041
what you are able to do with Psyche AI,

1852
01:57:35,375 --> 01:57:36,541
only now you've added this

1853
01:57:36,541 --> 01:57:38,291
extra L level to it where you

1854
01:57:38,375 --> 01:57:41,750
can start doing a genetic workflows off

1855
01:57:41,750 --> 01:57:43,791
of the back of that research, those

1856
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documents, the output

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that the AI has generated, which you

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can't do in the other

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platforms. So it's a very nice way to

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bring all those things together to suit,

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and you can customize it to

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suit the way that you work.

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Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy what

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you can do now. Before it

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01:58:00,791 --> 01:58:01,958
used to be like, if you didn't

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like the way Salesforce worked, but

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everyone in the company had to use

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Salesforce, you were stuck

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with it, but imagine that in future, and

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I think it's going to be the

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smaller the up and comers that

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will do this more, that you'll be able to

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redesign how you actually

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work with the tools rather than

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having to like, make the tools work for

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you rather than the other way around.

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That's interesting stuff.

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I'll start my screen share there. Did you

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have something you wanted to show?

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No, that's about it for me. Yeah, a very

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01:58:31,791 --> 01:58:33,166
good show, talk about some good things.

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A lot of things that's coming to market,

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01:58:35,333 --> 01:58:36,250
a lot of stuff that people

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01:58:36,250 --> 01:58:38,041
can start to explore. We'll put

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some actually links in the show notes.

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I've got to pack myself up and make way

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to Melbourne. I've got

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a wedding to attend this weekend. So

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yeah, on that note, Pete. Bye. Bye.