The Ave Satanas Podcast
A podcast about Satanism through the eyes of an Anarchistic Satanist. The Ave Satanas Podcast is a production of The Free Society Satanists. For more information, check out our website www.freesocietysatanists.com
The Ave Satanas Podcast
Why, Satan?!
In this episode, Jack, Cris and Sai sit down to wax philosphic about WHY we choose Satan as a mascot, is that problematic and why is it that we only go after Christianity (mainly Christian Nationalism). Do other religions share in the weight? and how many diiferent places CAN you beat a dead horse? All these questions and more will be answered in todays' episode!
To join The Free Society Satanists on Discord: https://discord.gg/WVbMSrXWZV
To visit our website: https://www.freesocietysatanists.com
drop us an email at: avesatanaspodcast@gmail.com
To learn more about our fundraiser, check out https://www.atlantamutualaid.org/
As always, thank you to Automaggedon for letting us use his song "Satanic Reggae Beat" as our intro/exit music.. you rock, dude!
Satan, satan, satan our Lord and Master.
Intro Song:I acknowledge thee as my God and Prince. I promise to serve and obey thee as long as I shall live.
Intro Song:I renounce the other gods and all the saints.
Intro Song:Don't listen to them. Don't listen to them. Greetings. What is going on, heathens? I'm Danny Filth from Cradle of Filth and you are listening to the Ave Satanas Podcast. Join Jack, Cris and Sai and the rest of the sinners of the free society. Satanists as they bring you their world of anarchistic Satanism. Hail Satan.
Jack Violently:Welcome back to the Ave Satanas podcast. My name is Jack Violently. I'll be your host today. If you'd like to reach out to us, drop us an email at AveSatanusPodcast at gmailcom. The ASP is a production of the Free Society Satanist. We're a worldwide collective of anarchistic Satanists under the banner of the Global Order of Satan. For more information, check out our website, wwwfreesocietysatanistcom. There you can find the link to join us on Discord, where you can be a part of all the devilish good times that we are having. One final thing If you enjoy the podcast and you find value in what we're doing, it would help us out greatly if you left us a five-star review on whatever platform that you're listening to. It really helps out the algorithm. That was a mouthful Boy. Do we have a show for you today, guys? Today is going to be an uncomfortable conversation, but it's one that I think that it's important to have and to help us navigate the discussion. As always, we have the grand inquisitor of the free society, satanist Chris. What's going on, dude?
Cris:It's going, man, it's going on. Dude, it's going, man it's going. Have a pretty good day here so far. How about you?
Jack Violently:yeah, sweating my balls off, dude. It's like 75 degrees outside, uh yeah, we got bipolar weather here in georgia and I'm sure our next guest here is having drastically different problems, being all the way up in the northeast. Uh, we are also joined today by the co-founder of the free society, satanist Sai. What's going on?
Sai:Yeah, definitely the weather is way different. I mean I can relate to the bipolar weather. Living in Pennsylvania, the weather is always back and forth, left and right and in between. But yeah, it's actually pretty cold and windy up here today.
Jack Violently:I would trade you for about another couple of weeks. I'm not ready for the cool, I won't say the cold but, the cool to be gone just yet.
Cris:Yeah, like right now, it's like perfect riding weather. It's like 74 or something outside. Now I'm really struggling of not getting on my motorcycle instead of doing this why not both right?
Jack Violently:I think these Rode pod mics only are rated for wind resistance of, like most people's breath, I'm not sure. Podcasting while riding a motorcycle might not be the best way, and you can absolutely be riding your motorcycle in the next hour. But right now we're going to talk about something that you don't hear a lot about in the Satan sphere. It's a topic that I think needs to have a little more discussion on the matter, and that is that Satanism shouldn't only be considered an anti-Christian thought process, as that can be problematic as Christianity itself. So really kind of sparsing it out here, the first kind of you know where we're going to go is like why Satan in general?
Cris:Yeah, I had a small thought on that and you know, the first question that comes to mind in response to that question is why not Satan? For the majority of people that identify as Satanists today, we come from a society and a familial tradition centered around Christianity in some form or another. But for those of us who don't, I mean for those of us who do, when we started to rebel against those traditions, what figure was there for us to latch on to? A lot of us started out through questioning and then into eventual atheism perhaps, and at a later time we were exposed to the idea of modern Satanism.
Cris:I can speak for myself that when I happened upon modern Satanism it kind of scratched an itch I had at the back of my brain. It made sense to me. I was like solidly in the fuck religion, fuck Christianity mindset and the idea of folding myself into a community that had similar ideals and utilized the figure of Satan in direct contradiction to the religious ideals and tradition I was freeing myself from. It just felt right, you know. So Satanism using Satan felt right to me. But again, I came from a Christian dominant background. You know how about you, sai? What's your thoughts?
Sai:honestly, I think, to kind of dumb it down. You know, um, I think a simple hypothesis to this quandary, if you will, is you know, satan was and and still is the majority of what people blame the evils in this country on. And so I think LaVey, you know, started Satanism to, by naming it Satanism, to capture and mystify a broader audience with a much more well-known and commonly used evil audience with a much more well-known and commonly used evil.
Cris:Yeah, like wasn't it LaVey that said Satan has got the church in business all these years? Yep.
Jack Violently:But in reality, though, the evils that cause the most problem with people in today's society come from more benign places, and those places are a lot closer to home. You know, it's easy to blame Satan for the problems because they don't want to, or they're too afraid to, confront what's right in front of their nose. So, like, the question for me, like why Satan? That's a good one, because it's kind of a self-imposed problem.
Jack Violently:When Satanism really first came to prominence with LaVey, he fashioned it to be like a mirror showing you the ugliest parts of society back to you. So the whole like you think this is what Satanism, what Satanists do, well, okay, well, we're going to be that. Like, that mentality is what shaped the idea of what it is, even to this day. So, in today's context of us trying to like push it more towards the voice that spoke, that speaks up and fights along the tyrannized and the oppressed, that may take like a decade or two, you know, before the public perception of Satanism like really changes. But, yeah, like blaming your problems on Satanism. When it really comes to poor planning or corporate greed or religious greed or whatever, it's really easy to blame it on Satan. And I really enjoy, like when you watch the Super Bowl, you know the winning team. They always thank God, but the losing team never blames them. Yeah, it's like that type of thing, that's a good point.
Sai:Yeah, that's a good point. It's like, well, we lost.
Jack Violently:Fuck you, god. You're the reason our kicker lost that very like that 35-yard field goal.
Cris:Like it's your fault, god, damn you yeah like and like to one of your final points. Like it might take a decade for the public to perceive Satanism the way that we would wish them to, should we even wish them to.
Sai:That's a good question.
Jack Violently:Yeah, how somebody perceives you isn't your problem at all, Like that's their problem. Yeah, how somebody perceives you isn't your problem at all, Like that's their problem. I was more meaning for, like you know, to quit blaming Satan for Amazon's problems, or Exxon's problems or Walmart's problems, or just organized religion.
Jack Violently:Like you know, we have nothing to do with that shit. That's y'all over there doing that, blaming Satan for the existence of people that are not white, cis, hetero, male, exactly, yeah, too many brown people in this world, that's a problem of satan, which, if satan gives us the best parties, the best drugs and the best music, hey man, give us more brown people, dude, we'll fucking take it. Then, party, party, the fuck on hey, I, I have been trying look like we had the discussion in discord the other day.
Cris:Us white people are people without color. There's a lot fewer of us what was that statistic?
Sai:I think it was.
Jack Violently:Uh, it's between eight and ten percent of the world's population yeah, is is white and and we consider ourselves the majority. How very fucking, uh blind of a thought is that?
Cris:just a little egocentric, just a little bit, yeah, so a little, a little background context on that.
Sai:I had a tiktok that I I saw and I posted in the discord and it was this, uh, indian comedian and he's like why don't we just, you know, why are white people just the default? There's people and then there's people of color. Well, why isn't it just people and people without color?
Jack Violently:right, because white people are not the majority in the world we, we're the anomaly. And as a proud PWC, wait, wait a minute. That can go real bad, real fast. I think I'm probably going to stop. I don't want to get on my soapbox Disregard, never mind Back away.
Cris:So, like getting back to our discussion, yeah, right.
Jack Violently:Coming up into the next segment, it's a very good topic to get back into.
Cris:Yeah, it's a good segue we just had, so why is it problematic? That we call ourselves Satanist, or you know why? Satan? Why is that problematic? Sai, you got anything.
Sai:Yeah, I mean honestly for what it is. I don't think the termanism is problematic, um. It was made when it was needed and we continue to use it because it continues to have a use. Um, it doesn't make the term less valid and, you know, it's spreading to more people with broader life experiences now and so, if anything, it makes it stronger of an idea that it can reach a larger audience. However, with that in mind, we have to be very mindful of that powerful reach that it has so we don't alienate people coming from other religious backgrounds as well.
Sai:So much of satanism caters to, you know, one sole demographic and you know that's again, it was relevant at one point in the past but, like many alternative spaces, it's not evolving properly and keeping up with the times. So I mean, at least in general alternative spaces, they seem to be catching on, thankfully, with, you know, post-millennials, um. However, satanism not so much. Um. Personally, like, I grew up a muslim until I was 12 years old and you know the quran. While it's the like last installment, quote-unquote of God's Word, um, naturally it teaches about the two quote-unquote installments before that, which is, you know, the Torah and the Bible. So I mean, even though I was a Muslim, I still had this a little bit of background information about Christianity.
Sai:But you know the anti-Christianity rhetoric that is very, you know, prevalent in Satanism. It hits only in the way that I hate that it's forcing itself on people in the US. But I don't identify with the hate as an ex-member, I just identify with the hate as an ex-member. I just identify with the hate as an outsider seeing what it's doing to people. So you know I don't have skin in the game, so to speak, as much as some other people. And personally, as soon as I hear that there's a sole episode of you know, any podcast or I watch a lot of YouTube essays. So any YouTube essays where Satanists are harping on Christianity, personally it doesn't apply to me and so I skip it. So I wonder how other non-Christian backgrounds coming into becoming Satanists you know how they feel about that Do they also just like they watch one or two episodes and then skip it, or do they just skip it altogether? And it's kind of alienating or othering to not talk about the other. You know theist ideologies.
Cris:Yeah, like I kind of took this question a bit different than you did, and I think the better question is, you know, is calling ourselves Satanist problematic? And if so, how right? And you know, I kind of feel like it's a valid criticism to say that constraining ourselves to calling ourselves Satanist can lend itself to a form of erasure for those people who are with us who didn't take the same journey out of Christianity or a Christian background or an Abrahamic religion background background or an Abrahamic religion background. We got a lot of people with us who are never exposed to or pressured to be part of an Abrahamic religion. You know, they were probably exposed to but maybe they didn't come from a family that pressured them into that or raised them in that.
Cris:So the figure of Satan as defined by the Christian dogma doesn't carry the same amount of weight. But I mean for me, broadly speaking, I think attaching a name to a thing gives gravitas to it. So by calling ourselves Satanists we're depending and operating on and within the connotations that it implies to the religious. But I mean more broadly Satanism as an identifier may be flawed in and of itself because we are primarily an atheistic type religion using Satanism, satan as the figure, the literary figure of the adversary, satan as the figure, the literary figure of the adversary. But you know, we can look at other religions and see that they also have figures that were perceived or shown as the adversary. You know, maybe we should call ourselves Tiamatists after the ancient Babylonian creation myths, maybe we name ourselves after the Sumarian demon, god, goddess, lamastu um. And then I would, you know, offer like prometheans, because prometheus was, you know, written as the one that went against the divine order and gave fire to humankind. You know, and there's a good parallel there of satan is the one that went against the divine order to give humans knowledge through the forbidden apple.
Cris:You know, I think Satanism it's more of an ethos, right, we don't need to get too caught up on the word Satan when we have a broader goal in mind. It works for us because it works on the religious, for better or worse. Christianity, at least in North America, is the predominant religion where the highest collection of people who identify as Satanists exist. So it fits, even if it's imperfect, I don't know, like, at the end of the day I kind of come down to, you know, like the playwright once wrote what's in a name, that which we call a rose by any other name, would smell just as sweet. So that's kind of where I'll land on it. I don't know if it's problematic, but I can definitely see the argument that it is. So, jack, did you have anything?
Jack Violently:No, I think you pretty much hit it on this. So we've kind of talked about you know why, saying and uh, why is it problematic? Um, I think now would probably be a good time to kind of like focus and, you know, split the show up into two here and kind of talk about our um, our fundraisers, that we have going on um this year yeah, yeah, definitely.
Cris:Um. So, like I've uh presented in other episodes, we here at the Free Society Satanist have decided upon running our first fundraiser, and that fundraiser is going to go towards benefiting the Metro Atlanta Mutual Aid Fund. It's a grassroots initiative created by community members from Metro Atlanta that's witnessed the needs of their neighbors and decided to affect positive change in the world and to those that they can help. They put their efforts into meeting the needs of those people who are the most vulnerable in the current economic climate and, let's face it, the current political climate as well, with a focus on those people in the BIPOC community, as well as members of the LGBTQ plus community, people with disabilities and the undocumented and refugee communities. If you want to know more about the Atlanta Mutual Aid Fund, I urge you to go to atlantamutualaidorg. From there, you can read all about their mission, the ways that they help. There's a direct donation link there. If you can read all about their mission, the ways that they help, there's a direct donation link there if you would want to donate to them directly or if you'd want to join us.
Cris:We have a channel in our Discord, fss Fundraising, where you can read more about our fundraising mission. Our fundraising effort will continue on until June 30th of 2025, and any funds raised will be donated directly on or about July 1st of 2025. So you can find our Discord at our website. All of that will be in the show notes. So I please urge you to. You know, just give that a look, see if it's something that resonates with you.
Jack Violently:And yet another way that you can also help aid in our fundraising is buying merch, so we also will have these links in the show notes as well, has a woman who is much smarter than myself told us on Discord. We need to start putting this in the show notes too, so all the information for our fundraising will go down there as well. But if you don't want to donate directly and you want to get yourself some swag and also like or schwag, I guess I guess is the appropriate term for it, I was showing my boomer age there.
Cris:Satanic schwag my satanic schwag.
Jack Violently:Yes, if you want to like, buy yourself a shirt, some pins, a key chain, some stickers, whatever you want. All the proceeds from anything that we sell go towards our two fundraisers a year. So, yeah, we've talked about you know why Satan We've talked about. Why is it problematic? Satanism is supposed to be inclusive, so why are some satanic collectives not? My thought on this one is that the problem is leadership, pure and simple.
Jack Violently:In almost every instance of collectives, one thing keeps happening over and over they're usually headed up by white middle-aged dudes. And what do white middle-aged dudes want? Power. Anything that can upset the apple cart and question their perceived power is immediately cast out. Sadly, the same thing that happens in the outside world also happens here. I swear I'm going to get this etched on my fucking tombstone when I escape this mortal coil. But as I've said countless times on this podcast, modern Satanism is about joining the fight against tyranny and oppression and fighting alongside those who have been trampled by that system, the underserved communities. How can you be inclusive and fight to lift those voices only to keep them from having a say in the most inclusive community out there? If there's one thing Satanists hate, it's a hypocrite by silencing and ignoring those voices in a lens of satanism, you are being just that very, very well said, I think um like for me, you know, as satanist, we've made a choice to be part of a marginalized group.
Cris:It is a choice that we actively made. We chose to set ourselves apart from that prevailing religious choice of our culture and society. We've chosen to attempt to strip away and free ourselves of our own personal journey through, into and ultimately out of religion and step forward into what we feel to be an enlightened path. You know, we chose to join a community of like-minded individuals while knowing full well the potential social, cultural, familial impacts that may come from that choice. Like across the vast majority of modern non-theistic Satanist spaces and organizations, we openly profess an ethos that speaks to a radical self-reliance acceptance, as well as providing a helping hand for those that would choose to join us there. But unfortunately sometimes that doesn't happen in profit and like in in reality.
Cris:You know we we have, you know, sometimes like a uh, you can't be a true Satanist if kind of and I've seen that play out in some satanic spaces the FSS is owned the first, third and eighth and ninth principle kind of speak to that ethos within our own community, if you can read between the line. And yet the very people who would profess those ideals are sometimes the one that break that covenant. You know, I just, for instance, like there's this, there's this thought process, like I was saying, the no, true Scotsman process. Like you cannot be a true Satanist unless X is always true. I've seen in some satanic spaces where somebody may come in and say, oh, I came from a background where I was not religious, my family was not religious, and and then, for some reason, I've seen a couple of times where people have given them, given them, a little bit of a minor shit about that, as as if, like they have to, to be a true satanist, you have to come from some sort Right.
Sai:I suffered for this, so should you.
Cris:Yeah.
Jack Violently:It was the episode that I did with Tomoe from Hail, Philly. You know where she was talking about. Like she just pulled her lawn chair up and sat at the starting lines of Satanism and said, oh cool, I like this place Didn't come from religious trauma, didn't come from societal trauma, both, like, from what I remember, all of her parents and her grandparents were just largely like atheist. So, yeah, it doesn't have to be that somebody finds Satanism through religious trauma. It just kind of maybe is the way for most. But yeah, treating those people who find it honestly, who didn't have religious trauma, it should be looked at as like OK, cool, you didn't have to suffer like the rest of us. Awesome, at least there's somebody here who has like a little like more of a level head, you know, rather than like torturing, like well, you're gonna suffer now, god damn it. Like you know, like I don't know. That idea is just stupid to me.
Cris:I don't know, yeah, and, and it's one of those things like ultimately, I think it stands to be said that satanists as a whole have an elitism problem and it's fucking vile and we need to choose to be better within ourselves. You know, if somebody new comes in, give that helping hand. If somebody has questions, give that helping hand. You know there's no fucking room for us to be elitists just because we have chosen to be part of the community. That's supposed to be scary or whatever.
Jack Violently:You know well we could. We could look down on other people, but to to look at fellow satanists, the same like we're all here for the same thing, like I.
Jack Violently:I look down my nose at people who strictly just hold on to like that last religious thing because it helps them get through the day. Not really, I'm saying that a bit tongue-in-cheek, but um, but yeah, like looking down on your fellow satanist, who maybe isn't at the same, like they're just coming into it and you you being into it for like a couple of years, looking down, I'm like, oh well, he doesn't know this or she doesn't know. That's fucking dumb. Like they'll get there eventually and why don't you damn help them, you know, instead of like looking down on them like you're the. You've reached level six, 66 Satanism. Good for you. You got a fucking badge.
Sai:I got to reach the highest tier of unenlightened.
Jack Violently:You have beaten the final boss. Good for you, like whatever.
Cris:When you reach a certain level of Satanism, do you get like a special attack or something?
Jack Violently:Right Do you have to roll for perception Come on Roll three sixes for triple damage, yes, but so my question is why does this even matter? What are we doing here? Why does this?
Sai:even matter. Well, I mean, you know we could harp on Christianity, right. However, it's been done. One leg of the horse is being beaten when we have the entire horse to metaphorically beat.
Jack Violently:Beat the horse Exactly. If you're going to do, do it, do the whole thing, don't. Don't. Half ass two things, whole ass, one thing. Yes, exactly.
Sai:I'm sorry. So you know, the true crux of the matter is satanism is not just anti-christian. You know, again, I, I grew up muslim until I was 12 years old. I, you know, come from a very different background than probably. I'm going to throw a number out there. I don't know the statistic, but like 90% of Satanists at this point, I come from a different background than an anti-christian background.
Sai:And so I think when we just beat this one leg of the horse and we're complaining about one thing over and over and over again, it's it's just stale and we need new perspectives and we, in order to keep that conversation going, to show that satanism is still relevant and applicable, in the first place, we have to allow other people from other backgrounds to speak. You know, contrary to popular belief, there actually is loads of material to go off of. It's like every other facet of Western groups and media, not including non-white, non-christian, even non-Abrahamic people. Jack and I, before we even made this group, specifically wanted to make this a safe haven from theism and an organized place to be away from all of that. So ultimately, my point is Satanism is anti-theist.
Jack Violently:And so what I'm going to do now is I'm going to start beating like the shoulder and the ribcage of this horse, much like what Sai was saying. You know, thinking of Satanism as simply anti-Christian is not only insulting and invalidating to other religions, it's also insulting to Satanism. The strictly American view of Satanism as anti-Christian gets its roots in the fact that Christianity, sadly, is the dominant religion here and the fact that it shapes a lot of the laws that govern our society, and that includes non-Christian members. So, as we've said in many other episodes, we view Satan as the opposition of authority and voice that spoke out to tyranny and oppression. Among those voices that free society Satanists lift up are the POC community and meaning that community do not come from the Christian background. Among these demographics are ex-members of Muslim and even Jewish faith. So, although Christianity is the vocal minority, it would be doing a disservice to represent those who left the Muslim and Jewish and really any other religion where religious trauma is rampant. See, I would argue that religious trauma would be more prevalent in these communities due to their strong orthodox beliefs and practices.
Jack Violently:True Satanism should not pick and choose for the sake of optics who it tends to go after. True Satanists welcome anyone who has religious trauma from whatever walk of life they come from. So, ultimately, I feel like the trope of Satanists welcome anyone who has religious trauma from whatever walk of life they come from. So, ultimately, I feel like the trope of Satanists being strictly anti-Christian is a two-pronged fault. It rests at the hands of Christians making cringe posts about Satanism to bolster their numbers.
Jack Violently:Remember the old adage to unite the people, give them a common enemy. But given the optic that it is an us versus them battle. But it's also rest on the shoulders of Satanists to stand up and fight the fight alongside ex-members of other religions, as well as acknowledge them as being just as bad, and sometimes worse, in the terms of trauma inflicted on its members. So here are the words directly from my lips Anarchistic Satanism and the free society Satanist do not, nor ever will place any stock greater on one religion than the other. Our mission statement has and always will be to lift up the voices of the marginalized from marginalized communities. If it's Muslim, jewish, christian or the flying spaghetti monster Just kidding we kind of think that one's pretty cool. But if you felt persecution from any religion and you're looking into Satanism as a shelter from the storm and a place to grow and heal from past trauma, then we welcome you with arms wide open.
Cris:I knew you were going to do that. I knew it Okay.
Jack Violently:I haven't snuck in a Creed reference all year. This is the first time long time listeners of the show you were waiting just for me, god I, I had to do it.
Jack Violently:I was waiting for a side to get back on the show um long time. Listeners will know, last year, at the end of 2024, we started trying to see how long we could go by sneaking in creed references, uh, into how many sequential episodes. I think we're going to bring that back this year. I don't know. I wanted to, you know, kind of like lift. You know, lift the levity a bit on that one. So you're welcome, Sai, and you're welcome everybody that's listening.
Cris:Hell, yeah, creed we should start doing something where we're putting in like little tidbits of like esoterica commentary and at the end of the year, the person that emails us with like this is what you've been referencing make it something I have enough.
Jack Violently:Yeah, you know what I have enough gear yeah, I have like 2 500 stickers. I have probably 300 pins and 200 keychains. Dude, we can put together. We can put together a little goodie bag. If somebody wants to do it, hell yeah, man.
Cris:And it won't be Creed, because you just gave that one away. Yeah, we just gave that away.
Jack Violently:We will have to start and implement one. Yeah, let's think about that.
Sai:We'll workshop it.
Jack Violently:That came so naturally and I loved it. The mic worked, my voice held With arms wide open. Love it All, right, yeah like.
Cris:So obviously, you know we've talked about all this and I did have a question before. I wanted to get kind of into what you know. I have written down most of my responses, so if you but this is not part of my response and I wanted to get into this because it's something that si brought up and it's something that, uh, that jack touched on what do y'all think about the idea that potentially, some of the reticence that people may have on openly attacking jewish or muslim faith, um, in lieu of just going after Christianity, could be maybe some remnant of not wanting to be perceived as racist?
Sai:That's a good question. Yeah, good question. Honestly, you know, as the resident woman of color on this podcast, I think if there is Muslim, she's very loosely a Muslim, like she's not fasting right now, but you know she does pray. I think the last time she went to a mosque was maybe two years ago. So very loosely, but it's there. I think the word attack is very harsh. I think critique on an academic standpoint is you know more than valid.
Sai:You know, if we're going to critique something like how women are treated in, you know, islamic countries, that is a very valid critique. However, if we're going to start attacking groups, that's completely different For me as a Satanist. Personally, I don't have a problem if somebody has a different faith. I have no issue with that. My problem is when it starts getting forced onto other people. Then we have an issue. Or if you're hurting someone in the name of your faith, religion, whatever, then we have an issue, issue. Um, so I don't think that you know we should.
Sai:I don't think the end goal of Satanism is is completely demolish, you know, any type of other faith whatsoever, because I think that just makes the world a really pretty place is. Everybody's got different. You know points of views and backgrounds and and faiths and all of that, and we can. In a perfect world, in my perfect world, we would all be singing kumbaya or whatever and making s'mores together. However, that's not the case. That's not the case, and I do realize there's a lot of racists that are, unfortunately, in the satanic sphere. That kind of use their little oh. I never peaked in high school, so I'm going to peak now and use that kind of you know personality, if you will, to bully other people when they come into a satanic sphere, and most of those people are very racist, obviously white men, and unfortunately that's the majority of a lot of satanic communities.
Sai:And when you have that with the incel problem that we have in this country, you know we have the perfect storm of. Oh, all of these edge lords are no now going around and attacking people. So I don't think attack to to bring it all to a close here, I don't think attacking is the proper word for it. If there is attacking 100%, that's racism. Absolutely. Other religions and religious organizations is the fact that we pride ourselves on being intellects and and you know, um, academics if you will. And so I think why not use that to our strength and start critiquing things you know as it is, instead of critiquing cultures and the people critique the harmful practices?
Cris:right, very well said. I I totally agree with you. Like, and when I asked that question I did use the word attacking and I, I didn't, I didn't think about that word when I asked that question, you know, um, up to your point, I probably should have said critiquing. But yeah, absolutely, I 100% agree.
Jack Violently:And really, like you know, the people that we go after, I think it bears distinction. You know, like a good philosopher and great mind of the 20th century, george Carlin, has said you know, religion is a lot like having a dick it's good to have, you can be proud of it. Don't go waving it around in public and, for God's sakes, don't go shoving it down kids' throats. So the people that we go after, the people that try to make Christianity or religion A, b or C somebody else's problem, if they're just proud to be their religious nomination and they just go about life and do no other harm than that, then, good man, like congratulations, you found something to get through life. Not everybody does. But it's when you start making it other people's problems and you start burdening other people, that's ultimately where we should start focusing it on, and it shouldn't just be Christianity. But so the whole reason why I tend to choose Christianity as the thing that I go after is because they're like the vocal minority it's what you hear about the most.
Jack Violently:You don't hear too much about, like Jewish people going after, like you know, like saying, well, we need to make laws against this or we need to, like you know, these people are demonized. It's loud, backwards ass. Southern Baptists who have the microphone and they are also, like you know, like I had said before, the vocal minority. So you know, to go after somebody who is just proud of a faith and who just lives by a faith and leaves people alone, if you go after those people you're kind of a dick. But like to go after somebody like the Westboro Baptist Church, they're a real easy target to go after because they make it easy for themselves. They paint that X right on their fucking chest. Then at that point I mean you're doing a net positive, you know. So it's finding out what you are supposed to be going after. And it's not every religious person, because there are people much like us who approach it honestly and want to represent their faith honestly and without problem.
Cris:So I don't know like I'm rambling at this point now I can't talk myself out of this room, good yeah, and it's one of those things like we should be watchful in our own spaces to not fall into the traps that focusing solely on Christians can lay for us, traps that would turn away the marginalized people who may come from something other than the white Christian background that you and I have, jack. We've got to be careful not to minimize or trivialize the lived experiences of our fellows if they have not traveled that similar path. And it's so easy to do. It's such an easy fucking trap to ensnare us. We are legion, we are many, after all. See and I did something there Even in that simple expression, I've utilized words that have come directly from the book of mark in the christian bible.
Cris:It's easy, it's so easy to fall into that line of thinking because, because it's part of our lexicon, right, it's if we're to call ourselves what we call ourselves, then I believe we got to recognize that a seemingly laser focus on anti-Christian rhetoric is malformed in its concept. We are truly, like Cy and like Jack has said, an anti-religious, anti-theist organization and mindset in general. We've got to change our own thinking model, our baser instincts, and measure our hand in order to strike at the thing that we actually care to, which, in my opinion, is the breaking of chains that bound us once to religion and breaking the chains that religion has on the society that surrounds us. Whatever religion that may be for you, whatever pathways that were set for you by familial or societal tradition, ultimately you got to understand and you got to remember that it was you, it was us, that found the pathway to where we are, to where you are today, in your journey through Satanism or if you're listening to us and you're just curious about Satanism or you're curious about questioning, you know you are the one that has done that that work.
Cris:Even in Satanism, a lot of us still have a lot of deprogramming to do on ourselves. Too many of us fall into those traps. Too many of us find ourselves temporarily blind to the overarching truth that what we do is for ourselves and that, at least on some level, we are a satanic community to satisfy a human evolutionary need for community and fellowship. I think In our numbers we have representation of all facets of human existence. We've got to see that. We've got to understand that and not be so myopic in that we find ourselves even unwittingly marginalizing the voices of those who would come, maybe, from non-Christian spaces and like to kind of size point in that impromptu question that I had we've also got to be mindful of maybe our own ignorant racism, our own ignorant hatred. You know I was.
Cris:I was talking to a good friend of mine last night and we were talking in depth about racism in general and he told me a story about someone that he knew that was so casually racist because they had never been. They were, they didn't grow up in an area that had a lot of POC. A lot of it was a white community. I think in their yearbook they had like three people of color in the entire book, including staff and, uh, teachers, and they would just be so casually racist without ever knowing it. And there's that, there's that fact, you, there's ignorant racism that we've got to be mindful of. There's that ignorance that we've got to be mindful of and grow from. So that's kind of where I'm at on it.
Jack Violently:I know that was kind of rambling, but yeah, um, you said at the very beginning you know about not minimize or trivialize the lived experience of our fellows just because they haven't traveled the same religious backgrounds as us, and I think it breaks down to being self-absorbed and ignorant versus willfully ignorant. So I heard this saying. It's like never attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence. So meaning like if we're looking down on somebody and we're just putting what, well, I think I suffered more than you. A lot of the world's problems can be solved by changing your way of thinking. So what I like to do is I like to think things through the alternate universe theory. So what if the world was exactly opposite as it was now? So I'm now thinking through your point of view. So anytime somebody like you always hear like well, white people had it hard too. No, the fuck, we haven't. Since when? And they always use the most benign like well, the Irish were used as slaves. So who the fuck cares? You know like to think about people's problems from their point of view and to see like, well, what if I was the one who had to go through that? What would? What would my frame of reference be? What would my tone be? What would my frame of reference be? What would my tone be? What would my thought process be? No-transcript interaction, just by thinking things through the other side of the coin, and in doing so you can go well, I was going to respond like this, but now I see if I say that somebody's going to like this person will find that offensive. So you know, the trivializing and minimizing the experience of our fellow people can ultimately be negated if you just simply think about things through the other person's perspective, which most people, a lot of people in today's world are unwilling to do. So take that. You know, that's a free lesson from Jack here, the alternate universe theory.
Jack Violently:When you're out in public and you see somebody like maybe you know you're at Walmart or you're at the grocery store, you see a homeless person stuff something in their jacket and try to walk away, don't think of it as like that person stealing. Think of it as that person is trying to survive the day and put yourself in that position. Try to think about it Like ultimately people would look down oh, they're stealing their trash. Think about if you had to do that. Think about if you had to do that to survive the day. Would you do it and would you care what people said about you? Ultimately, I think the answer would be no. You would not care what people thought about you. And you can broaden that once you know that one little trick, you can broaden that to the wider masses and think about any problem through the lens of the person going through it, and that can, that can solve a lot of problems that we go through today.
Sai:I don't know I think, um to, to add to your ignorant racism, you know, uh, point the way that and I mean I'm not saying I'm perfect by any means whatsoever I've had instances where people come up to me and they're like, hey, did you know that this was like this certain term was a slur which I had no idea at that time. You know, did you know that this thing was, you know, offensive to somebody?
Sai:and I did not know at the time how you react in these situations kind of shows the other person what type of person you are yeah, so you know, if you, if you react with shock and you're like, oh wow, I did not know, I'm so sorry, that kind of sets the tone for the rest of the conversation and interactions with that particular person or people, because now they see, oh, this person didn't know, I can't hold them to this. You know this standard because they had no idea. Um, however, I think honestly I think a lot of americans have this mindset of I need to know everything all the time and if you don't know this, you're wrong. Um, a lot of people get very defensive because of this mindset. A lot of people get very defensive when they get called out for certain things and that does not help your, your stance at all. Yeah, as soon as you get defensive, you have shown that you do not care whatsoever, and I think life is constantly learning and evolving.
Jack Violently:If you're not constantly learning and evolving, you're with the dinosaurs, bro, like yes Cris and I had a really good talk on the paradox of tolerance episode a few episodes back and, um, we kind of attribute you to being one of the reasons or one of the ways that I like challenging people's thought processes, and it's simply a one-word question and that is why. So you know, like if you catch somebody on a bad day and say something kind of crazy and out of pocket, you go why did you say that? Like, what do you mean by that? And I had said it back in the show before you can go back and listen to it.
Jack Violently:But it's that one question that you taught me way back in the day has such weight and it's such a sharp knife to use right out of the rip, because they can either go oh damn, no, dude, you're right. No, yeah, I did say that wrong. Fuck, you know, like, yeah, I don't really think that way, but you know I'm having a bad day, shit just came off weird. Or, like I said in the other show, they sign their name to it and you can now know that that is a person that I'm going to treat with contempt because they doubled down and they signed their name to it.
Jack Violently:I've learned a lot from you over God it's been just about a year, but that's been my most favorite thing that I've learned from you, to which you have taught me many things on on many different days, but I've kept that one close to the vest this whole time, so I do appreciate that life lesson well, thank you yeah, so I think we've kind of covered everything for today, um I think we beat all the legs.
Cris:Something like that. I think we left the ears intact, but we're getting there.
Jack Violently:We're now hitting the horse and the jaw and the face. We're tenderizing this horse meat. We're going to have such good horse burgers coming up after the show. This meat will be super tender.
Sai:And then glue for later.
Jack Violently:Yes, this glue will be the most velvety soft glue you've ever put on paper the best glue you ever huffed.
Jack Violently:Hey, now I mean, if it's gonna be that kind of party. Um, one thing that we haven't done in quite a while. Um, chris actually reminded me in chat. I kind of forgot about this. Um, long-time listeners of the show would notice that we would end most episodes with music recommendations. And man, have we had some really good shit come out over the past couple of weeks. Man, cy, do you have any music that you've been jamming to?
Sai:Oh boy, that is such a loaded question for me.
Cris:This is called putting you on the spot.
Jack Violently:This is padding our stats at this point. Yeah, go ahead.
Sai:This is so yesterday. For anybody who knows me, I listen to so many different genres of music, it's not even funny, but yesterday in particular, three artists or bands released an album all yesterday, so my morning was stacked. Spirit Box released a new album, lady Gaga released an album. Whitechapel released an album.
Cris:That's a whole mix.
Sai:Exactly yeah.
Jack Violently:And Ghost has teased and released a new song to release a new papa. So that's pretty cool too.
Sai:Yeah, just a very stacked march so far, but I think I would have to recommend Diabolic Slumber by Whitechapel off of their new album Hymns of Dissonance.
Jack Violently:Yeah, with that drop there, spirit Box was really one of the only one out of the big three but besides Ghost but their album hasn't come out yet Spirit Box is the one that really hit closer to me and I love Spirit Box. Okay, so when I listen to music, I think about things like kind of esoterically, what does this music remind me of? And her voice, mixed with this, like kind of ethereal staggering that she does, it sounds to me like the personification of flying. I don't know why. I think that Spirit Box always reminds me of a bird, just kind of flying through the air. And when it gets hard.
Sai:I can envision that actually.
Jack Violently:And when it gets hard and like he starts growling and it turns to like an air battle, like I don't know, like birds aren't really like fighting in the sky or nothing, but like it turns to like a dog fight where there's like a bunch of like planes and bombs and shit going off, but then her voice always brings it back to the calm and soothing air flight. I don't know, that may be too too out of the way. I've done a lot of acid in my life but, um, I love the new spirit box album. There was a ton of good stuff on there and I am I'm a huge fan of the other stuff that they've put out as well I think black rainbow was probably my favorite on that album keeping sweet wasn't too bad.
Jack Violently:Um, that was just because I knew like kind of the nod they were giving to the mormon faith. That was a song that like keep sweet was part of the warren jeffs, like they would have that on their wall. So that's kind of a dig at religion, I think.
Cris:Uh, but you know that song was killer every time warren jeffs is brought up in conversation, I physically cringe like it's his face doesn't do him any favors either now like, uh, and I'm a lot like, so I listen to a lot of things uh, all the way. Obviously I kind of focus on like death metal, extreme metal stuff like that, but also have a really strong electronic and industrial background. So recently I went to go see cyclone nine in concert for the first time in like 10 years or something and they just came out with a new track. Um, I think that they're going to be releasing an album here pretty soon, but the new track is called devil's work. Um, I definitely give that a listen on spotify. It's a interesting uh evolution of their sound where, when cyclone first came out, um, they were very much so in what was what's called the agrotech genre, where it's industrial but a lot of like death metal vocals, hard riff kind of stuff.
Cris:So Cyclone Nine's Devil's Work is one that's been on my playlist recently and on the other complete different side of the spectrum, this album came out a couple of years ago, but I've been listening through Billy Str strings's album me and dad. Um, it's an album that he did with his father. Um, his father is the one that introduced him to bluegrass. It's an amazing album, um, and it was so cool to, you know hear an album that he brought his dad in on. There was a. There's a documentary a little it's like 30 minutes on YouTube about making that album with his dad. It's just a wonderful little watch and it's a wonderful listen.
Jack Violently:I have such mad respect for Billy Strings because, being a guitar player and a musician for well over 25 years, to play that fast on an acoustic guitar is almost fucking impossible. So when you think about the guys who shred, the guys who like play super fast, the action of the strings, the height from the strings to the neck is super low. You almost have to exert no force into fretting the strings. On an acoustic guitar that action is almost quadrupled what a metal guitar would be. So you've got to have a finger strength and to be able to play that fast and press the strings down that hard. He's a monster dude. Dustin Baggy was the first song that I had heard from him and it quickly went from there. The fire on my tongue is a great one. Um, I love Appalachian music, um, what I would call like rebel country or punk rock country oh yeah he's super like, identifies that.
Jack Violently:And there's another guy, wells, if you, if you aren't familiar with wells, super, I've heard I've heard a little bit um.
Cris:I like bluegrass kind of suffers from this like traditionalism aspect, where it's basically all the same chords, all the same kind of songs. There's the old guard and I think it's really more so the fans, more so than the actual artists themselves, don't really like new things about things going on. Um, and billy, I think, really straddles that line incredibly well about bringing new things to the arts and still having that firm basis in the traditional bluegrass sound. Um and for you, since you are a big guitar head, have you heard, uh, bloodbath by polyphia?
Jack Violently:I understood both of those words being english, but put them together and I had no idea.
Sai:Good, is it polyphia or polyphia? Polyphia?
Jack Violently:oh, I know, yeah okay, you were saying, you were saying it kind of weird.
Sai:Okay, yeah, um the I've always heard it uh pronounced polyphia, polyphia, I've heard it the other way yeah, I know the band, but I've I've listened to maybe a few songs, so I am not like the authority on on that band.
Cris:I'll put up a link to bloodbath by polyphia in the music channel on our discord. Go listen to it. It features chino moreno of deftones.
Jack Violently:It is an incredible song knowing scion her love for new metal when we were teenagers. Yes, um, and she wasn't even born.
Cris:Um her love of that I mean, you were like three, I was 16 I was.
Jack Violently:96 was when deftones were like peak deftonian. She was not of this mortal coil at that point in life.
Sai:Yes, I was. I was born in 95, I was one whole year old.
Jack Violently:You were sitting on the couch, man, you were fucking, you were sitting there, couldn't do a goddamn thing no, I can't, I don't know was sitting on the couch, what the fuck? I remember smoking so much pot, listening to the deftones riding around in my friend's car just going god, life can't get any better than this and young 16 year old jack would find out that I was correct.
Cris:Life couldn't get much better than that honestly, deftone's white pony album is just the perfect album through and through.
Jack Violently:10 out of 10 cannot be replicated the adrenaline album uh seven words oh yeah nine, nine, engine number nine and seven words that that was skater Andrew. For like the three months I thought I was a skater until I broke my wrist and I was like this is fucking stupid.
Cris:And it's one of those things like adrenaline is an awesome album.
Jack Violently:Yeah.
Cris:But I have some significant memory loss from, like, my teenage years. But I can clearly remember standing in line at the record store buying the white album when it came out or white pony rather, I said white album, but yeah, buying white pony when it came out that day and putting it on my cd player, my disc man that I always kept in my jinko pockets if you want to smuggle in a double deuce into any concert or anything, smuggling a 40 ounce.
Jack Violently:That back pocket was there to help you, man I'll be wearing the purple.
Sai:I will be wearing the purple track suit at the upcoming ghost uh concert at the meetup.
Jack Violently:So I'm glad, I'm glad you brought it back around. I was gonna say that couldn't be time perfectly, by the way it couldn't have been time more perfect, okay, this, this last band is gonna produce 50 groans and 50 hell yes from the people in this room right now best known as scooby-doo metal scooby-doo metal.
Jack Violently:Uh, the abba of of black metal, ghost released satanized, to which they also kind of teased Papa V or Papa 5, however you want to say it, papa Perpetua, that would be the name Cy. What did you think about that song?
Sai:I thought it was really good. I can't wait for the rest. I can't wait for April, and then I can't wait for the meetup, because the first day of the meetup is the concert.
Jack Violently:So we here at the Free Society Satanist once a year we may even bump it up to twice a year later on down the line if we get more people. Once a year we have a meetup, and this year's meetup is going to be in Atlanta, georgia. The meetup is called the Devil Went Down to Georgia and it's going to be July 11th through the 14th. Just so happens, july 11th, ghost will be at State Farm Arena in my fair city, atlanta, georgia. And God damn it, this will be the first time I get to see Ghost and I am fucking pumped.
Cris:Atlanta is going to be destroyed that weekend because, like two days later, it's Beyonce.
Sai:Oh my, God, when Beyonce came to Philly, everything shut down. It was the same when Taylor Swift came to Philly too. So, like it, it's gonna be hell beyonce and taylor.
Jack Violently:Swift played atlanta beyonce. I think taylor played friday and beyonce played saturday. It fucked our city up from thursday to monday like traffic was crazy. But I was talking to uh, to you sai and a couple of the other people in the chat. So Atlanta's mass transit system is called MARTA and we have a north-south line and an east-west line. Our train system is archaic as fuck. But I was thinking to myself anytime there's like a big event happening in the city. How you'll know is you can stand at the intersection, the Five Points MARTA station, and you see people getting off and on the train to your average mardi user who is just using it to go to work, come home, do this and that. Then you see 300 people dressed like this insane pope with like skeleton faces and he's wearing like the big pope's outfit, or a thousand nameless ghouls walking through the marta station. Imagine the daily martTA user going. What the fuck is happening in Atlanta right now?
Cris:That's the thing I love about Atlanta we go hard when it comes to concerts.
Jack Violently:Yes.
Cris:Especially like death metal concerts. You'll see people just pouring in and like full corpse paint. It's amazing.
Jack Violently:And Ghost being one of those bands that's like very, they're very showmanship, like that's 90% of what they do. They write good songs, but they also rely heavy on showmanship, so their fans tend to do the face paint, wear the hat. Some people wear the full regal and if you're not used to or you don't know that that's happening in your city, you just think that the city is now being overrun by zombie poops. What the fuck is going on?
Sai:so well, I think um what was it? Uh, it was last tour, I believe, um there were a few venues that made people take their their face paint off for the last ghost tour, so, so I hope that doesn't happen at this venue.
Jack Violently:The face paint being one thing, I can understand if you have a big hat. You're going to be messing up the view from people behind you. But if you have face paint, who gives a fuck? What does face paint have to do with shit? I can understand the big Pope hat, just for people having to stand behind you.
Sai:We're not getting pat down like we're going through TSA anyway getting into concerts now.
Jack Violently:I mean getting a half handy in a concert. I mean shit, dude. I mean we have been going for an hour now and I think that is probably a good place to end on. Does anybody else have any more music that they kind of wanted to bring up that they were excited about?
Sai:That's just those three releases that have been on my mind.
Cris:There you go.
Jack Violently:We took it from Whitechapel to getting a soft handy at a ghost concert. I think we can end it here, guys. We're really appreciative and respectful and thankful for all of you guys for listening to us over this past six months. Thank you for sticking around with us. First of all and we do not take your trust lightly. We hope to bring you more great content coming up in the very near future. But until next time, guys, hail Satan and hail thyself.
Cris:Deuces.
Sai:Bye.
Intro Song:This is where the devil dies.
Intro Song:Satan, Satan, Satan, our lord and master.