The Ave Satanas Podcast
A podcast about Satanism through the eyes of an Anarchistic Satanist. The Ave Satanas Podcast is a production of The Free Society Satanists. For more information, check out our website www.freesocietysatanists.com
The Ave Satanas Podcast
Is America A "Christian" Nation?
In this episode, Jack and Cris sit down to discuss whether America really is a Christian Nation. (Surprise—it's not.)
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Jack Violently:Hey there, welcome back to the Ave Satanas Podcast. My name is Jack Violently . I'll be your host today. If you'd like to reach out to us, drop us an email at AveSatanasPodcast at gmail. com. The Ave Satanas podcast is a production of the Free Society Satanist. We are a worldwide collective of anarchistic Satanists under the banner of the global order of Satan. For more information, check out our website, freesocietysatanists. com, where you can find a link to join us on Discord and you can be a part of all the devilish good times that we are having over there. One final thing if you enjoy the podcast and you find value in what we're doing, we would greatly appreciate if you left us a five-star review on whatever platform you listen on, as it really helps us out in the algorithm. So we have kind of a revisit episode for you today. This one was one of our fabled first six episodes from the Ave Satanas podcast 1.0. Here with me today to talk about it is my friend and yours, the Grand Inquisitor of the Free Society Satanist, chris. What's going on, man?
Cris:It's going pretty good. Man, I've been pretty slow over here. I've been taking the day off and kind of getting this script that we have edited with some newer information, newer thoughts, so I'm excited to record this one. Like you said, one of the first six episodes of the first version of this podcast was this, and I really, really enjoyed it and I wanted to revisit it and maybe we can expand on some of the ideas and talking points that we had previously for our listeners who may have caught it the first time around.
Jack Violently:And yeah, if six pages of script isn't enough information for you, I don't know what is, but if you're listening out there, if you caught our 1000th download extravaganza episode, you'll know what today is all about. So in the early days of the podcast, we did a show called Is America If America Was a Christian Nation, where we changed a podcast hosting. We had to abandon the first six episodes. It was probably for the best, because five of the six episodes really didn't. It didn't fit where we were going with the show, but this one kind of did. So we wanted to revisit it, bring it back to version 2.0 and, given the state of things that's going on in America now, are you ready to retackle this important topic?
Cris:Absolutely.
Jack Violently:Absolutely.
Cris:And you know, before we begin, I think that we should have a definition of terms, right? So the Merriam-Webster dictionary defines patriotism as the following patriotism the love or devotion to one's country. Okay, so that's our first term that we are defining. So that's our first term that we are defining. The second term that we're defining is nationalism, which is defined as a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture interest, as opposed to those of other natures, nations rather, or supranational groups. Ok, that's a long definition, but I feel it's important to have. And then we have our third definition, or third term, which is Christian nationalism, and that's an ideology that seeks to create or maintain a legal fusion of Christian religion with a nation's character, or maintain a legal fusion of Christian religion with a nation's character. Advocates of Christian nationalism consider their view of Christianity to be the integral part of their country's identity and want the government to promote or even enforce that religion's position within it.
Jack Violently:God, you know it gets worse the more words you add. Like patriotism, I guess, is fine on its face. It's pretty great, it's nice to be proud of where you're from, sure, but it just gets more disgusting the more words you added onto it. It really does.
Cris:So, all right, we got some initial thoughts on the history of patriotism, christianity in the US, right? So I first look at this as the words patriotism and nationalism are too often confused as direct synonyms. This error in thinking is often pushed by political forces, as we have seen in our modern times, especially now, right, yes, seen in our modern times, especially now. And there's this common popular belief among those people that the United States of America was founded to be solely a Christian nation, and I think we're here today to try to put some context on that and say that it absolutely was not Negative. Context on that and say that it absolutely was not negative. So one of the things that we are going to have to cross is that recent and historical court cases are sometimes used as proof that this nation is a Christian nation, right? Usually, this is done by completely misinterpreting what these court cases are. By completely misinterpreting what these court cases are, for instance, the 2022 Supreme Court decision Kennedy v Bremerton School District.
Cris:That case was centered around a high school football coach that was leading his players and other people in prayer after football games, usually on the 50-yard line of the football field.
Cris:After football games, usually on like the 50 yard line of the of the football field Right. The school district had tried to negotiate with them to cease that practice because the school, the school administration, were fearful, fearful that it was encroaching a little too closely over the line of the establishment clause of the constitution which separates church and state explicitly right. So basically, he said, no, I'm not going to do that, I'm not going to stop this. So the school system ultimately did not renew his contract and so he brought suit, claiming religious discrimination or something like that. And this case made it all the way to the US Supreme Court, where they decided that, quote the, the establishment clause does not allow a government body to take hostile view of religion and considering personal rights under the free speech and free exercise clauses, and that the board acted improperly in not renewing Kennedy's contract. Okay, so if you take, if you take that the way that these Christian nationalists and these people that try to push the idea that the government is a Christian government, yada, yada yada.
Cris:You can read that ruling as saying that the government is setting a religion right. When in reality, it can be absolutely argued and I believe was actually the intent of the Supreme Court in this that that's just not how the law works, that the government cannot place limits on religion. I think that's what they're saying right.
Cris:The ruling really only dealt with the fact that these prayers took place outside of regular hours and were taken on individually and not as a part of the school administration's regular or directed practice. Right, and while I personally find leading children in prayer, especially in such a public way, distasteful, there is a religious liberty that allows for that to happen.
Jack Violently:And you had said too that it was taken place outside of school hours and it was individually not part of the administration or directed practice. But let's say a player on the team decided not to take part in that prayer. Let's say he was like nah man, you know, I'm good, I'm just going to go back to the car or whatever, my parents waiting on me and he would have been looked at not only by the coaches but also his other players. Has like an outcast, oh, he doesn't want to join us. That could also open up, and I know we're speculating on this, but you've seen it happen more often.
Cris:You have you have hit upon a core aspect of that case itself. Yes. So part of what made this a case to begin with was that some players were feeling pressured to perform something that they didn't want to perform, and then it went from there, from memory. Of course I haven't really delved into the, I haven't memorized the history of the case, but from memory I believe it was something like a couple of players, and maybe parents or something, had reported this practice to the school administration and then it kind of snowballed from there, right.
Jack Violently:And I do want to let the listeners know if you haven't picked up on this already by listening to other episodes. If this is your first one, welcome. If not, you will know that I'm the idiot in the room If I picked up on this so quickly. People who study law for a living and people who write law should have known that was going to be a clause. That was probably going to happen. So I mean, a schmuck like myself picked up on that in about three seconds. So I mean, what are we talking about here?
Cris:yeah, and, like you know personally, when it comes to like prayer, especially in a public forum of any type, regardless of if it wasn like in this case, at a 50-yard line on a football field or whatever I believe more believers should read Matthew 6, 6, which states but when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. That's the Bible saying. Don't make a spectacle about your praying.
Jack Violently:And it takes away from the meaning. It's more about look at what we're doing rather than let's truly give thanks or whatever for a good game or a bad game or whatever it's like. It's showmanship. At this point, it's like we're a good Christian team here, rather than actually like, hey, we won something, thank you.
Cris:So now for you. Now we really kind of get into the question of is America a Christian nation? Yeah.
Jack Violently:So you know, colonists came here, if I remember correctly. Like I said, you know I'm kind of a Muppet. I went to a year and a half of college, but I do remember this. You know, colonists came here because they wanted not only political liberty but also, like, religious freedom. They wanted the freedom and the economic opportunity to pray, to do what they want, to live how they want to live, free. One of the main reasons that we're even here was that they wanted to get away from the Church of England and their religious political overreach, if I'm not mistaken. I think that's why we're here.
Cris:Well, yes and no right. So it's important to mention that the so-called Puritans that we're all familiar with in our country's history back in the 1620s they were religious extremists in their own right, like they were. Their ideas were that the Church of England was too liberal.
Jack Violently:Oh shit.
Cris:Right, and this is extremely reductive. There is a lot more. You know fine points on this, but they shouldn't be lauded as some bastion of religious liberty seekers, right right you know, and and this isn't to mention that, there were other settlers, settle settlements and colonists within north america.
Cris:Before, though, before 1620, in the in the puritans right, pasta leon exploring florida as early as like 1513, then the spanish had a settlement in saint augustine by, I think, 1565, and the english's 1607 settlement of chamestown right. Um. So these settlements, you know, there were absolutely settlements that were about how much can we rape and pillage this land?
Cris:as an economic venture, but also how can we set up our own ability to get away from the Church of England and those other government-sponsored religious powers Right other, you know, government sponsored religious powers Right so as to like what the founding fathers actually said and believed? That's where we get into a lot more direct and also indirect, uh, minutia of the question. I think you know Thomas Jefferson. For all of his failings and he had many he wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptist of the whole American people which declare that their legislature should quote make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. Unquote. That is pretty direct, right.
Jack Violently:Yeah, not a lot of room for misinterpretation there.
Cris:Yeah, and this is years after the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were ratified by Congress, right? So, and then further, one other piece that we can use to say you know, this is a direct, um, a direct piece of evidence that the founding fathers that we know of did not uh set this country up to be a Christian nation. We can look at the treaty of Tripoli. You know so, george Washington uh tapped his colleague, a man named David Humphreys, back in March 30th of 1795 to negotiate a treaty with the Barbary Powers.
Cris:Humphreys then appointed a man named Joel Barlow and Joseph Donaldson as what he called junior agents to forge a treaty of peace and friendship. What he called junior agents to forge a treaty of peace and friendship. Under Humphrey's authority, the treaty was signed in Tripoli on November 4th 1796. And this is what you know, like I said, more commonly became known as the Treaty of Tripoli, and it was later ratified unanimously in the Senate of the fledgling US government and signed by President John Adams on June 10th of 1797, right? So, giving all of that backstory, and it does stand to be said that this treaty was written all in Arabic.
Jack Violently:So, of course there is yeah, really Well yeah.
Cris:I mean figure the area of the world that it was in right, yeah, never mind, yeah, really Well, yeah, I mean figure the area of the world that it was in.
Jack Violently:Yeah, never mind yeah.
Cris:So there there has been discussion by people who were legitimately trying to have this discussion and also trying to have the discussion in bad faith that the translations aren't exact. But article 11 of that document opens with the statement, quote as the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on a Christian religion, end quote. Boom, I don't think you can mess up that translation between Arabic and English that much right, sure, yes, that sounds pretty pointed and direct, and also short and concise too.
Jack Violently:There's not a lot of flowery, open-to-misinterpretation language, as I would imagine. Yeah, no.
Cris:Yeah, and that's the thing. If you read texts from back then they used a lot of flowery language, a lot of words that we just don't simply have in our common lexicon now. So sometimes it can be a little difficult to glean intent from some documents, right? But that's pretty black and white, crystal clear, I think.
Jack Violently:And loud. Yes, exactly, they're not whispering that. That's a pointed and direct statement, sure?
Cris:Yeah, so, like you know, as we said, like this text is clear language right. And this is only two decades after the Declaration of Independence. So this was during a time when most of the original revolutionaries who founded this country were still alive and active in its government. You know so, but, yeah, there's no better concrete evidence in my mind as to what the intent of the founding fathers were in regards to the role of religion in government here, right, so but yeah, literally says it right there.
Jack Violently:And to repeat article 11, as the government of a United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion, bam.
Cris:Yeah, and do you? There was another piece Um. There's a letter by James Madison Are you familiar with that, the?
Jack Violently:um, yeah, I believe so. He the one, the one he wrote in 1785.
Cris:Yeah, yeah. So uh, this was called the Memorial of Remonstrance. Oh, I'm going to butcher that word Remonstrance against religious assessments. I know I mispronounced that word. I am not going to go through this whole letter. It is a long one.
Cris:It laid out 15 points in opposition to a bill which was making its way through the Virginia General Assembly which would have in part provided government-sponsored support to Christianity, would have in part provided government-sponsored support to Christianity. So basically, the bill in Virginia. There was a part of it that would have imposed a general tax on Virginians to pay teachers of the Christian religion a modest salary.
Cris:Wow. So in this letter and in arguments, james Madison argued successfully to defeat the bill, and it later helped create a political atmosphere that saw the passing of the Virginia State Religious Freedom Act, which guaranteed religious liberty and full separation of church and state, and this was back in 1786. Right.
Jack Violently:Just about a year and some change after the letter really. So that kind of it didn't take long, it didn't sit in the halls of Congress, it kind of moved its way through pretty, pretty expeditiously yeah.
Cris:So, but I feel like I've been kind of monopolizing this one a little bit, monopolizing this one um a little bit. So I want to talk a little bit about what the actual belief systems of some of our founding fathers were. Are you familiar with some of those?
Jack Violently:um, you know, I knew that they were uh deist in like varying degrees. Uh, some of them, like were approaching what you could basically even call atheism, like there were a few that Benjamin Franklin, I think, was an atheist, yep.
Cris:Well, benjamin Franklin would describe himself as a deist, but he was very much so closer to an atheist. It was still a political and social landmine to say that you're an atheist at this time, so a deist for our listeners at that time broadly believed that there was a single god responsible for the creation of everything right, but also that this deity went hands off after creation. You know, you can kind of think of it like a watchmaker who crafted this really fine piece of really fine timepiece, but once he's handed it over to its owner he has no more control of it. He doesn't want to have control of it. That owner now has everything responsible for it. Right.
Cris:Right. That was kind of what the deists believed so like for this fact, it can be well assumed that they believe that it was our responsibility to live good lives and create for ourselves the world that we wish to live. Right, because they were deists, they thought that it was our responsibility to be good stewards of this world.
Jack Violently:And correct me if I'm wrong wasn't like isn't America the first nation in history to codify that there is no religious test for like to be elected or hold office, like you don't have to have a religion to do so?
Cris:Yes, I believe so, Absolutely so, like it's just so, like it's just. That's where we kind of get into, like, where does this land us in the terms of the subject of patriotism and Satanism? Right, because this is a Satanist podcast, we have to tie it back somehow, right, right? So if we look at all the history of you know, is this nation a Christian nation, which I believe we can definitively say that it was not, at least initially set up to be a Christian nation? Right? And if we look at what patriotism is by our definition.
Jack Violently:Can a Satanist be proud of this?
Cris:nation in the patriotic sense, absolutely, yeah, right, yeah, and I agree, like there's absolutely aspects of this nation that we can be proud of, right, that doesn't fall and toe the line of nationalism, that patriotism is a belief and a reverence for one's country, but also the ability to say you fucked up when a country fucks up, right. You know, I'm an American. I grew up here in the Southeast where you know, as you know too, this is kind of like the buckle of that Christian nationalism. You know, quote, unquote, patriot. You know kind of kind of place. So I grew up in this. But that doesn't take away from the fact that I am, in general, proud to be an American, even though I absolutely detest, loathe, all of the adjectives. What's going on in the country? Right, and I can speak my mind about that.
Jack Violently:And you kind of bring up a really a good point, so to tie it back into Satanism. So we so far, in the 23 minutes that we have been talking, we've given you plenty of examples how America is not a Christian nation. Let's give you one how America is a Satanic nation. So there is a quote that is largely misattributed to, I believe, Thomas Jefferson, and I don't know if anybody really knows who actually said it, they just say it was his and it's to.
Jack Violently:Dissent is the ultimate form of patriotism. Well, what is dissent? To speak your mind, to speak out and say, hey, I think this is wrong, to protest. So, and what is Satanism? Well, we have said many times in this show we do believe that Satan was the voice that spoke out to truth and power and the voice who stood up for the tyrannized and the oppressed Dissension. So to dissent or to speak up against the wrongs, is patriotic. Satanism is patriotic. So we have given you, like I said, I think we've debunked four or five times now how America is a Christian nation, but we just threw one across the plate man Like yeah like it is okay to be a Satanist and a Patriot, or patriotic rather.
Cris:I was going to say a Patriot, but that word kind of in today's lens it could be argued that Satanism, america, is fundamentally a patriotic endeavor, right, you know, even though it's not something that we perhaps put too much thought into in those terms. You know, like you were saying, it's, being a patriot doesn't mean that you blindly go everywhere your country goes, right. Right, being a patriot is, you know, standing up for what you believe is right and when your country and your countrymen are doing things that you don't agree with, standing up to those things Right In order to form a more perfect union. As the founding fathers would say. Mm-hmm, it was a patriotic endeavor for the revolutionary war to happen, you know, I would, I would argue that then that was speaking truth to a power that was standing against a tyranny, tyrannizing force yeah so it's just yeah.
Cris:so before we move on to our next little segment, maybe we can segue, we can talk about our fundraiser, right, Absolutely yeah. So that was a.
Jack Violently:that was a really clean segue to right, because I think we're going to jump into money after the uh, after the segment. Are we not a? A little bit A double clean segue. Look at that, dude, you're getting better every show. I welcome it with arms wide open. Go ahead. Yes, did it. Yes, got him Okay Awesome.
Cris:So, yeah, so, like I just, we just released our quarter one financial statement for our fundraising effort. If you are a part of our discord, I urge you to go over and look at that. So this fundraiser is going to benefit the Metro Atlanta mutual aid fund. Right, the Metro Atlanta mutual aid fund is a grassroots initiative created by community members from the Metro atlanta area who have witnessed the needs of their neighbors and decided to affect positive change in the world of those that they can help. They primarily put their efforts into meeting the needs of people who are the most vulnerable in our current economic climate, with a focus on the people, on those people of the bipoc community, as well as members of the LGBT community, people with disabilities, the undocumented and refugee communities. If you want to learn more about the Metro Atlanta Mutual Aid Fund, you can go do that at wwwAtlantaMutualAidorg. So this fundraiser we're going to be running it through July 30th of 2025. And then any proceeds that are gained from this fundraiser will be donated on or around July 1st of 2025.
Cris:If you'd like to join us and see about if you feel led to donate to this for us, you can find all of the information on the FSS fundraising channel within our discord. Finding our discord and our website will be in the show notes. We urge you to come on over and share in the fun. We are on discord. Like I said, and as of right now, I put out our quarterly statement on this fundraiser just two days ago. We are two hundred and ten dollars towards our five hundred dollar goal for the fund for this fundraising opportunity. So those who have donated great work, thank you so very much.
Jack Violently:And there are a couple of ways to donate. You know, once you come on over to the Discord you can either buy some merch 100% of the profits of any shirts, anything that we sell on our shirt sites will go to that total or you can just donate directly in the FSS fundraising channel. There's actually a link where you can just donate straight to the cause. We do have from the last month, I think, in the shirt store. I still need to put over like $30 from the proceeds that were sold last month. So we'll be closer to 250 in the next week or so. But yeah, definitely we're going to have up until June to, or like the end of June, to really get as much as we can. We're really trying to give at least $500 or $600. And right now we're at like just at the beginning of $200. So we still have a long way to go and we definitely need your help.
Cris:Absolutely, absolutely. So let's dive right back into it with a little bit of a shorter segment. Yeah, is there a place for government in the lives of Satanists?
Jack Violently:Ooh. So here's the thing. Okay, A lot of people. So we are anarchistic Satanists. That does not mean free reign and like just everybody running amok. There is still a structure, so not necessarily a government, but a structure to lives. So I kind of believe that there is. Yeah.
Cris:Yeah, like society is really just a social structure of mutually agreed upon laws, regulations, expectations, right? Without such things, society may indeed fall Sure. Right Without those guardrails, right? I think we can certainly all agree that murder, rape, genocide, assault and domestic violence are abhorrent to our moral and ethical code, but without a legal structure of some type in place to find appropriate punishment for those crimes, what are we individually to do, right? Are we? Are we expected, then, to meet out the vigilante justice, right? I do not personally advocate for that, because there's been so many times when vigilante justice murdered innocent people.
Jack Violently:Sure, just quicker than the government. Or murdering innocent people? Yeah, sure, it's the fast pass to murdering innocent people, sure. The pitchforks and the flaming torches riding up to the house Sure, absolutely.
Cris:And there's this whole other conversation we could have about the death penalty in the government. Right when if you support the death penalty, then you must also have complete 100 faith that the government never does any mistakes yeah, and that's a zero-sum game right there, dude.
Cris:Absolutely sure, yeah, so I think you know government of a type I think absolutely could have a place in the lives of Satanists. It's just, the current government structure we have is one that is predominated by big corporate interest, big religious interest. So it's just, it's a minefield and it's one that is not going to be broken in a day, right.
Jack Violently:So this next segment here this one is is my personal favorite to talk about because I believe that a lot of people have never really thought about this. Okay, for the younger audience and I'm saying twenties and mid twenties, there was a time where people would carry these things in their back pockets, called wallets, and in said wallet you would have money. You wouldn't pay with your phone Rarely would. You have a debit card, you would have cash money and on every piece of money that we have had that you have seen in your entire life, it has said in God we trust. So a lot of people think that that has been that way since time immemorial and that's not the case. I think a lot of people listening would be very shocked to know that like in God we trust only came about on every piece of paper and coinage in like 1956.
Cris:Yeah, so Eisenhower signed the bill in 1956 to make in God retrust the official national motto, though the term in God retrust can be found as far back as 1864 on some us coinage here and there. Yeah, yeah, but it was not like a mandated thing or anything like that. Yeahs coinage here and there. Yeah, yeah, but it was not like a mandated thing or anything like that. Yeah, go ahead.
Jack Violently:So here's the rub on that shit. So the only reason that we have in God we trust is on our currency is to differentiate or other ourselves from the communism scare of the 1950s, which means that before the Cold War we largely didn't need in God we trust on our money. Sure, you know the errant corn coin here and there from like 1864 could be found, but it wasn't until the Cold War. And what would become mandatory on all of our currency, which is odd because our current administration loves him? Some Russia now. Boy, how unchristian of him If you think about it.
Cris:It's almost like he's playing a joke on patriotism and Christianity. Yeah. Like and even then, like if, if you don't know what McCarthyism is, go read about it. It is some weird ass shit. Like when you really delve into what drove McCarthyism. And that was all during the 50s, in response to the Cold War, in response to the Soviet Union, in response to the quote unquote growing threat of communism in America.
Cris:Right threat of communism in america. Right, you had. You had, uh, like what was it? Senate hearings that brought in everybody, like everyone, from like random citizens to hollywood actors, to oppenheimer was on it, oppenheimer, yeah um, he, he got caught up in some mcc shit and kind of got railroaded.
Cris:There were a lot of actors in Hollywood that got blackballed from the business completely because of their suspected involvement with the communist parties within America. Man, it is a ride when you get down into learning the history of McCarthyism and how just stupid it all really was.
Jack Violently:And really like how little it took to be called a communist back then. Oh yeah, this very podcast could be. You know, like if podcasts were a thing back then, like they would say, oh, these people are just speaking out against what we think the government to be. They are communist. They would see that themselves as like we would be drug up on spikes long ago for many different things. But yeah, this show in particular would be considered that Just for speaking dissent, it's kind of still going on too.
Cris:We've seen it happen very, very recently where a person who was born in another country, who was here on a student visa learning at a college, simply professed support for Palestine and all of a sudden she was disappeared off the street by masked, unmarked government officials. Right Just trade any kind of any kind of speech that doesn't exalt the US government, any kind of speech that doesn't exalt Israel, for any kind of speech that exalts or even halfway supports the idea of communism. It's still happening.
Jack Violently:Right.
Cris:But it's some weird shit Like I just don't know how to fight against it.
Jack Violently:And it is a very let me see what. What is Sisyphean? Is that the guy, sisyphus, the guy who pushed the boulder up? The hill.
Jack Violently:Yeah, it's a very Sisyphean task to really think about it, but it's one that's important and needs to be thought about. And you know, what can one person do? Not much really, when you think about it. But what can five people do? What can 10 people do? What people do? What can 10 people do? What can 20, a hundred? That's when you really start.
Jack Violently:So it's not so much what can I do, but who can I join and link up with and build momentum and build steam and kind of like push this thing forward? Um, and there are. You know, there are places out there If you can really look to find them. Um, I would like to think that we would be one of them, just as a place to join with like-minded people and find out more information about how to join and fight against the insanity that's going on in the world now. But yeah, that in and of itself may even seem like a Sisyphean task, it's just where do you go to look for this stuff, you know? So I'm kind of rambling at this point now. Yeah, I mean it it.
Cris:It's a. It's a. It's a weird one to to think about of like what can I do that would affect change? As an individual, it's that's a very hard question to answer. You know we are, as individuals, massively outgunned by the special interests that are in government right now, especially so in this, the year of our Lord, 2025, you know, uh 25.
Jack Violently:Hopefully, if someone is listening to this podcast in like 2030, things have gotten better, but I honestly think that they will. Ok, this may be me being an eternal optimist, but I look at the world like you know, those things that used to be on people's desk where it's just like the balls on the string that you just click like balls. I think about the world like that. We are kind of on a pendulum and right now that pendulum has kind of swung far to the right, but momentum will have to drag it back to the center and to the left and so on and so on throughout the end of time. So you had said, like you know, somebody listening in 2030, two years after, this nightmarish hellscape should be over if everything goes the way it should, and yeah, things will have returned to some sense of normalcy.
Jack Violently:Siri, remind me in 2030 to check and see if this is still right. But no, I honestly believe that the world is on a pendulum and right now it's a pretty fucking crazy place that we are. But you really shouldn't be. You should be scared, you should be apprehensive, you should be alert and aware. Yeah.
Jack Violently:But this isn't permanent and if we can really rally and we can really show strength in numbers and show good ideas and show value for what we think, I think we can drive it back to a more sane and calm part. Yeah, I really do.
Cris:Yeah, I try to be optimistic as well, but I'm also the kind of person that I don't trust someone as far as I can throw them. Yeah, right, I am. I may trust somebody that I'm immediately around, but I'm also very aware of their movements, right, and I think we almost have to be that way right now.
Cris:I think we almost have to be that way in our life in general, because there's so there are so many pitfalls and traps. All of that said, I hope. I have hope for the future. I have hope that at some point in time we wouldn't have to have this conversation of is America a Christian nation? I have hope that at some point in time, you know those people who may identify as atheist or Satanist or anything other than white straight and white straight, male and Christian, wouldn't have to look over their shoulder Right. And I think we can get there. I just think it needs to happen in a way, or it will happen in a way, where we're all kind of unified in our descent all kind of unified in our movements.
Jack Violently:And it may take somebody putting down their descent to lift up the descent of others and go this is the one that's truly important. I feel like we need to fight for this one here, or this descent, this is the one that's most important right now, or else it just sounds like everybody yelling into the void Well, my descent is more important than your descent, and you start eating yourself at that point. So not only you know like rising up, but also becoming unified in what truly is important with that.
Cris:Yeah, exactly yeah.
Jack Violently:And that could be the next fight that takes 50, 60 years to do. But you know, hopefully not.
Cris:But yeah, I mean everything. Nothing happens in a day. Rome wasn't built in a day. No, it it definitely didn't fall in a day either. Yeah, you know it. Just it takes time, it takes, it takes unification of a lot of different groups to say you know what? We may disagree on some small aspects, but we're all fighting towards the same thing, so let's just do that. Yeah, right, um, so yeah, I think that kind of covered out all of the, the scripted part of what we had for it. Um, this is we're getting into like 42 minutes or so right now of the episode and I don't, I don't know, like, do you have any final thoughts or anything?
Jack Violently:No, it's such an information-dense and vast topic to talk about. You can really get lost in the weeds. I feel like I covered pretty much what I wanted to cover. The main thing for me was you could see it all around you, like the money portion. Just reach into your wallet and pull a fiver out. That was only there since your parents were kids. So it's not like it's been there this whole fucking time, like this is written in stone and God we trust.
Jack Violently:No, it was there to to scare Americans from the communist scare of the fifties. Um, but yeah, also too, with that, like you had said at the beginning, a lot of the text from the original founding fathers, people like Thomas Jefferson with all of his problems. He really kind of got it right once in a while too. So, yeah, there have been signs and signifiers this whole time that it has never really been that way. And I wonder what, because of In God we Trust and the money that was there for the communist red scare of the 50s, what is this Christian nationalism scare for? What are they trying to scare and differentiate this newly resurgent God, guns and glory? America was built on all three. What are they trying to scare us from there?
Cris:That's a difficult one to answer. I think you know. I think there's definitely a part of it where those people who are pushing that agenda also recognize that the way to solidify a populace's support is to give them an enemy.
Jack Violently:Yeah, as we've said many times on the show and like in today's world, you would think, like you, you've heard a lot. The trans agenda and the the drag Queens are going to inflict our kids by reading books at the library at story time. And if that's the case, if that's really what they're hitching their wagon to, that is such a goofy and just dumb thing to be scared and to try to like point everybody against. It's much less of a threat than like the Russians in the 50s.
Cris:But that's that's exactly it, though. That's why it works for those people is to us who know better. Sure, you know it is a goofy thing to latch a horse to. Whatsoever of the history of drag Queens and the LGBTQ movements in America has no point of reference of having friends or family that they know of, um, who are anything but straight. You know heterosexual people, um, and, but when you give them an enemy and you paint it with all of these different colors, it's going to sound scary, right, and that's the way that you can solidify things. The reason they may not know that people in their family are anything other than straight is because the people in their family who are anything other than straight also recognize that this person is not a safe person to tell Right.
Jack Violently:Right, right. So the free society Satanist we are approaching 100 members strong worldwide. We have members on various continents and we have members across the spectrum. We have trans members, we have members of the LGBTQ community, we have queer members, members in the POC community, all around, and I have never once heard any of them say that they have the nuclear football.
Cris:No.
Jack Violently:So to scare or to use them has the point of scare now for good, decent, moral Christians, is fucking dumb. None of them have the nuclear launch codes, buddy. They are not going to nuke fucking Iowa. Okay, calm your shit.
Cris:And that's the thing is the people that are actively pushing that agenda. They know better, yes, they know better, but they also recognize that they don't have to argue in good faith. They are not beholden to the same ideals that we are. They are not they. They have the the latitude to troll, where we take it extraordinarily seriously because it affects people that we care about and they simply just don't care.
Cris:So that's one of the reasons it's so fucking difficult to argue against one of these hard right assholes you know, especially like the leadership or the people that have been in it for a long time, because they know what they're doing. It is a calculated move. They know for an absolute fact that drag queens at reading books in a library to a bunch of kids are not going to turn these kids gay Right. Yeah, they know that for an absolute fact. But they have the ability to to run sideways with an argument and make us chase them. Yeah, you know, it's a weird thing. It's a weird thing.
Jack Violently:And really telling people dumber than you and having them believe it without blind, you know, with just based on blind faith, looking no further into it than what you just told them. You have now spread that like a virus that it is and it's yeah, and like you said, there's no other burden of proof needed beyond. I just told you you should believe me because I'm wearing the three-piece suit. You're the unwashed, huddled masses in fucking North Alabama. I'm the one in the suit, Listen to me. So yeah, I mean.
Cris:I mean for clear evidence of all of that. Look at all of the preachers and priests that are, you know, pushing down the sins and the horribleness of child molesting, and all of that when they themselves have been doing that right. They know it's wrong, but they're leading their flock blindly because their flock is going to believe their words blindly.
Jack Violently:One of my YouTube. So I watch. Not to brag here, not to brag, Um. Well, I watch YouTube on my. We have a smart TV in the house. Bless capitalism, I fucking got a smart TV.
Jack Violently:Anyway, I watch YouTube on my TV at the house and one of the YouTube rabbit holes that I constantly look down is the law and order, like the crime, um, YouTube channels and, like you had just said, all of these, like you know these, you know the preachers and everything getting involved with, like child abuse every single week on my algorithm. There is another youth pastor, there is another minister, there is another member of congregation who has allegations of child abuse and child essay on them. And really, what did the satanic panic tell us Is that the McMartin trial was largely bullshit and it was the FBI's largest waste of money because they could not find a single verified source of abuse in the entire fucking thing. So who the real fucking assholes here? I think we already know that, but we are going off on a tangent based on what this episode truly started out. We're in the final stretch. It's what we do here.
Cris:You brought up YouTube and this is kind of off topic. But there's this YouTube channel that I really enjoy. He puts out videos kind of infrequently but he covers a lot of the historical aspects of belief systems, especially Christian belief systems, and all of that. The channel name is Hoshelaga H-O-C-H-E-L-A-G-A. Okay, Really informative videos. There's a video that he goes into the apocryphal books of the Bible the books that were left out, yeah, um, things like that. It's some interesting stuff to get into. He is very much so fact-driven. He produces very good videos. Go check them out.
Jack Violently:Oh yeah, I definitely will, cause that's right up my alley there.
Cris:But yeah, so enough of the, enough of the tangents. I think we can kind of wrap this one up. Do you have any music represent recommendations.
Jack Violently:You know I've been in a musical the past two weeks. I really don't have anything new. I am and I know I'm going to get some groans for you the last episode that you and I were both on with Cy, we were talking about the Ghost concert and I keep watching my fucking Spotify waiting for a new song to drop.
Jack Violently:But now I've kind of been in a music hole. I've been listening to Behind the Bastards, weird Little Guys, the Cool Zone Media podcast and really just kind of digging into my satanic multi-genre playlist on Spotify. I've been listening to that a lot but, yeah, nothing new. I did see Poppy once again. One of my new favorites recently did a song with Babymetal. It's like her new single or their new collaborative single was out From.
Cris:Me to you Interesting.
Jack Violently:And I've never once heard a single solitary five seconds of baby metal. It's the where they are, the japanese or chinese baby metal japanese japanese. They are the japanese equivalent of poppy. It kind of like I was like cool, but yeah, I. I saw the video today and I was like, all right, cool, there's another song she did but I saw.
Cris:I saw a thing, uh, but rob zombie had baby metal on tour with them and, uh, like this is a couple of years back, but I, there was like an interview or something I can't remember remember exactly what kind of media I saw this at but somebody was giving shit to Babymetal and Rob Zombie stood up and was like nah, these people, these chicks, go hard. Fuck, yeah, you should support these girls, right? And if Rob Zombie, who's been doing it for a long time, says, goes hard, sure you should listen. You know it's not particularly my music. I, you know I've heard some songs, but I respect them for what they do the rhythm section was dope.
Jack Violently:The riff was heavy. I did enjoy that. The the lyric, the vocals and the lyrics took me out just a tad. Yeah, I only have a very select margin for very high pitched um voices in metal.
Cris:Yeah, for those listeners that don't know what style and music baby metal is, think heavy metal, but with like Japanese pop. Yeah, yeah, it's it's, it's three girls, Japanese pop singers, basically backed by metal.
Jack Violently:Yeah, and the riffs are dope as shit. If they I mean yeah, I don't know, but to work myself out of this corner, that was the only thing new that I have consumed as far as, like, music and media. Over the past two weeks I've really been trying to catch up on Weird Little Guys. Yeah, I love that podcast, Damn it. That is a great fucking show.
Cris:And of course, weird little guys is awesome.
Jack Violently:Yeah, and of course behind the bastards is always a banger um. But yeah, I've been catching up and going back into the catalogs of weird little guys I've been.
Cris:I I haven't really been listening to a whole lot of newer music recently. Um, I've been kind of going back to like the Early 2000s A little bit with Glassjaw. So Lovebites and Razorblades Was like on a On a, a repeat playlist for me For a lot of like early 2000 Right, I've also been going through. There's a band called Crosses which is Chino Moreno from Deftones, his side project.
Jack Violently:Okay, crosses yeah.
Cris:Um, the, the. Actually, if you look at it in Spotify, it's actually three crosses, parentheses in the word crosses. Um. So if you like Deftones, check out crosses. Chino is really doing a lot of Deftones, esque, stuff with that. Um, I've really been enjoying it.
Jack Violently:Three cross crosses Okay, Perfect, I get that now Um songs like bitches brew option. The epilogue Okay, perfect.
Cris:Yeah, so if you like Deftones, you will like, you will like crosses.
Jack Violently:So I went. I went to Costco this morning to get my weekly provisions and in the 90s, in like 94, 95, little jack was smoking a lot of pot and he thought he was a skateboarder and one band that he listened to I'm talking to myself in third person like an asshole was 311. If you could believe it, sharp punk and sharp punk jack loved him some 311. If you could believe it, sharp Punk Jack loved him some 311. And I haven't thought about them in 20 years. I swear to Satan, I haven't thought about them in two decades. And my Spotify recommendations in traffic said hey, 311 has a new album out. And to my shock I was like let's see what these guys have been up to in 20 years. They really should have stopped 20 years ago. Yeah, it, just it doesn't translate. Well, um, the, the, uh, and the passion of it is now gone and I don't know I I I had a very sad drive back from Costco to the obvious Satana studios. Uh, this morning just listening to 311 going. Damn it, guys, just knock it off.
Cris:Well, to lighten your mood a little bit, did you see? There was a video going around at a Dropkick Murphys show recently where Homeboy was on stage and saw somebody in a MAGA shirt and bet him the shirt off his back if he could prove that the MAGA shirt was made in America or China versus a a dropkick Murphy shirt union made, made in America dropkick Murphy shirt.
Jack Violently:And he did it the best way to. He had just enough force to call them out to where it drew the guy's attention. He's like, oh shit, this this dude's calling me out. But it was playful enough to where it didn't instigate it further. But it was playful enough to where it didn't instigate it further. Yeah, he let him know what you're doing is fucked up. And to that end, you know, he also gave him. He goes give me your shirt, like you know. Look at it Where's. Oh, the tag says made in China or made in Indonesia. Give me that thing. This is a union made American shirt. You should be proud to wear this. He took a MAGA shirt off of a MAGA fucking loving dude and gave him and replaced it with a much better dropkick Murphy shirt. That's not the only thing he's done. A couple of years back, maybe four or five, do you see him? Kick the Nazi out of the crowd for a Zeke Highling.
Cris:No, I did not.
Jack Violently:Dude Ken Casey stops the fucking show. He saw a dude doing the Zeke Highling. He goes Nazis have no fucking place at a Dropkick Murphy show. Get that asshole out of here. And he was threatening him. It wasn't like that dude with the shirt, it was very pointed. It was like if you don't get out of here, I'm going to come down there and get you out of here.
Cris:Wow, I'll try to find the link to it. More power to him, oh hell yeah.
Jack Violently:Dude commercial success and they've had a lot. Um, they really do walk it like they talk it. They're union men, you know, proud. They're boston, irish, so it's, it's, it's irish americans, but still man, proud, union people, no scabs, no line crossers, support union products and they walk it like they talk it so much respect community.
Cris:Yeah, I saw a video recently where there was a kid. The kid must have been like seven or so. He was going through chemotherapy, he was at home and apparently his favorite band was dropkick. They showed up and played a couple of songs, acoustic on their lawn nice and did not bring along any photographers. Did not bring like the video was actually of the mother through the window yeah of them singing to the kid right.
Cris:Fuck yeah, man. And like they just did it, they didn't want any kind of coverage of it, you know, because they're really stand-up cool people, sure. So our listeners go listen to dropkick Murphys. They are awesome, just do it.
Jack Violently:And if you find yourself really enjoying Irish, uh, what most commonly is called trad punk. The word trad is a bit misaligned now, but it really just means traditional punk. If you find yourself liking that, come on back to the next episode. I'll have six more bands you should check out.
Cris:Hell yeah.
Jack Violently:The Tossers from Chicago.
Cris:Final thought on that my favorite song from Dropkick probably not yours, but Greenfields of France.
Jack Violently:Mine. Oh God, the Dropkick Murphys. Hold on, god, dang it Together. We Are what we Can't Be Alone. What song was that?
Cris:Yeah, while he's looking that up, listeners. Greenfields of France is more of a ballad about someone who fell in battle during World War I. It is a beautiful song. You should really go check it out.
Jack Violently:Which side are you on?
Cris:Oh yeah, the Dropkick Murphys which side.
Jack Violently:Are you on oh?
Cris:yeah, which side are you on?
Jack Violently:great song. Um, but yeah, dude, we've been going now for a solid hour um guys out there and gals and and pals guys, gals and non-binary pals that's it.
Jack Violently:Uh, thank you so much for continuing to listen to us to uh wax philosophic about various topics. Uh, bi-weekly we we hope you'll join us in two more weeks, where topic will be yet to come. We have no idea what the next show is going to be about, but we promise we'll do our best. Check out the show notes for all of the links that we have sent. Said over the course of the show and until next time, guys, hail Satan hail thyself.
Cris:Hell you.
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