CHASE's Music journey

Chase ‪@chase8678‬  one of prominent secular musician in Oman and GCC he has shared with us his journey and since he was a young boy the love he had for music and beatbox to where he is right now.

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

I feel like one of the main things you have to understand is develop your own sound.

SPEAKER_01 0:04

Make as much music as you can. Like it's all about the repetition. How was your family like was they supportive at the beginning or till now?

SPEAKER_02 0:13

The only trouble I got with them was recording so late at night and waking them up and they're like, yo, relax. You know, come on.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

You can go out there, people motivating you, but nobody's telling you the actual mistake they have seen. Yeah. Once you get there, the street is is really tough.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

Why are you trying to put me on a box or label me as something? Like, why can't I just be whatever I want to be? You know?

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Some people are out of loneliness. They they they they start doing crazy stuff.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

One thing people don't talk about is when you go to a different country, you have no friends.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

When I got here, I saw the difference in community. It's really man. Even somebody driving a lamb would talk to say hi to you.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

Like, I feel like so many people message me and they're like, wow, like I didn't expect you to even reply. And I'm like, why though? Like, what am I like so busy? Like I can't take two seconds to reply to a message. Like, you get me. Of course, if you're busy when you are done, but like it doesn't you don't know the impact you you can have if you just replied, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Well true podcast, and yes, it is true. Obi Muhammad here, we are back in the studio after a long time, and I really want to apologize for attacking a little bit uh you know a huge gap between first episode and the second one, but I promise you it was worth the waiting. And today I'm right here, I'm very excited, very thrilled. I've been chasing this one for a long, long time, and I will be. And today we are cutting to the chase. Come on, Mr.

SPEAKER_02 1:48

Chase. What can you do? My guy, thank you so much. It's uh honestly, it's on my behalf because I've been so busy with work and everything. Yeah, but I uh I really appreciate the dedication and the patience. Sure, and I'm so happy that we made it happen. And uh yeah, for real, cut to the chase now. Cutting to the chase, and uh I'm very thrilled, man.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

I'm very thrilled to have you here today. Um, likewise. We we usually don't go bigger than this, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Uh hopefully this is the beginning to bigger things, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

Absolutely, yeah. So um, yeah, I was uh watching uh Homecoming. Coming home, yeah. Ah, coming home. Yeah, yeah. It's coming home, yeah. I'm sorry. No, it's it's still new, it's just today. It's still two hours ago. Exactly. Yeah, and uh nice track, man. That's thank you so much. Thank you. I had a little bit of uh a cut you sent in the broadcast. Yes, and I was down for it. I was down for it. Thank you, thank you. And of course, so how how has it been and you know, recording lifestyle and the music?

SPEAKER_02 2:56

Well, the thing like you have to uh go back a bit to understand how I got here today. Um I've been doing this since I was 13 years old. Oh yeah, so uh very young, high school, not even high school, like we before high school issues, yeah. Um and yeah, I've just always been the type that was into music, into sound, into exploring new sounds and everything. Yeah, so I've always been into exploring that, and I just somehow managed to have that side by side with studies with uni later on and work now. So it's just a passion of mine, and you know, in our when a lot of people have um a certain view on how far you can get as an artist, and I'm very proud of all of us because we're trying to push the level every time, you know. So I I'm very proud of that, and yeah, it's just about enjoying what you do, I guess, in the end, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

Definitely. So um when I saw your uh music, I was thinking like, how is it? Uh when you started uh making music, uh you know, we are living in a conservative community.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

How did you like manage to break through and say, okay, I'm going to do it, and or maybe I shouldn't do it when was the time you said okay, I'm going for it. Full force.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

I feel yeah, I feel like when I first started, yeah, the music was only for myself and my friends in so small circle. Because because of the conservative vibe that's happening around here, that I was like, I don't know if I should really like go awfully out full force just yet.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:39

So I started showing friends and I noticed in my brother, and I started to notice that everyone was slowly. I I didn't start off good, let's just say, I started off, you know, potential, you know, and then slowly with time I started to develop a sound and everyone started to enjoy it. And I started releasing on Facebook. Yeah, you know, and um I would see people commenting and they're like, Wow, this is like this is not bad, like for Oman, this is a good sound and all. And I I don't know, that gave me like some sort of boost to like go with it. And in the beginning, obviously, family and everyone, everyone was obviously different opinions, yeah, everyone had their things, what they were saying, whether they were saying it's a good thing, bad thing, or are you considering this as a hobby, job, whatever? Where is where is this going, you know? So for me, I honestly didn't know where I was going, but I just knew that this is what my passion, my calling, my purpose was. So I just without hesitation, I just dived into it and just explored it, and now we're here, you know. So definitely that's I guess it's just believing in yourself because people are like won't necessarily believe in you, yeah, and then because it's funny, a lot of the people back then now they're like, Oh, I always believed in you, my friend, family. That's how it was good. Yeah, yeah. So it's a very interesting journey. You get to see people, you get to know more about yourself, so it's very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Yeah, it just reminds me when uh uh I first introduced the idea of podcasting to my friends. Yeah, bro, you can listen to it, but you can't go to making podcasts. What's the reason? Well, what would you how would you do it? And now they are supporting me, they are how they say, Mo, it's great. Yeah, you want to be there. Yeah, so yeah, when uh when you haven't started, there's a dream you portray in your head, but everyone around you they don't understand it until you make it there and they see it uh as uh you know. So, um how do you see your journey uh from the day you started and where you are today? Uh crazy journey, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

Like driving here to do this, like that's when I was actually thinking about it because I knew it would come up. So I was thinking about it and I was like, like alhamdulillah for that journey because like there was situations that saved me. If like if I wasn't doing music, I would be out here. You get me? So there was a lot of situations that I felt music was nice, and not just that, like the places music took me. You know what I mean? Like, started music, like I said, a young age, and in high school, got to see the effect on people in high school. Because when I started, I didn't start as a singer, as a rapping, or whatever, I started with beatboxing. Yeah, because that was my thing. Like, yo, when you know, until today, my high school friends, they're like, yo, beatboxing era, you were doing it down here. So that was when I started. I started to go on shows, uh, open day on colleges and all, and I started to see the shift in people, it's if people being proud that our mind is doing these things. Then high school, finished high school, graduated, went to Australia. I studied in Australia in uni. And obviously, I wanted to study music, like you get me. But I had to I had to look at the environment, I had to look at how we're gonna adapt in this cultural, you know. So I was like, you know what, I'm gonna do engineering. And I read I was really good at chemistry and stuff, so I was like, let me do chemical engineering. So I I graduated chemical engineering, and while I was doing chemical engineering, I was doing courses on the side of music, so it's not uh a win-win in a way, right? Because most of the people here they want to get a scholarship so they can get out. So for me, I was like, I'm gonna get out and soak in all the information, yeah, and then come back and try to do something, you know, and I was doing stuff there too. So that happened, came back, tried to pursue this chemical engineer job, but for some reason, like the like it just didn't happen as much as I would want it to. And all of a sudden, this whole radio thing happened uh from a show that I did uh with my best friend uh Bubs, the W. Yeah, Bubs. Uh he's an incredible, one of the best uh rappers and writers down here. Shout outs to him, you know. Um he he helped me in my journey a lot because when I first started making music, I wasn't necessarily like understanding the ways of writing as much, you know, writing music. And and him, he came from already like a level where he was in love with battle rap and writing. So me and him from high school, yeah. So for me and him in high school, we just became really good best friends until today. It's almost like uh 13 years of uh yeah, it's a long time, so yeah, so and now we work together, so it's uh it's a dream come true in a way.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

Yeah, and that makes it a lot easier, I think. Yeah, 100%, 100%. So I saw I saw your battle um between you and him. Come on, man. You I haven't had from him.

SPEAKER_02 9:38

Uh I don't know if he's releasing some stuff because I've been you know closely watching the future, but he doesn't he doesn't uh he's not as into um releasing songs, music. He loves battles, he loves battles, and as you can see, like the he's the one that pushed me to do battles. If it wasn't for him, I would never so this is it's all on him, honestly. He was the per person that opened that door for me about battling and about doing this, and a lot of the battle stuff that we do, he would be like, let's do this, let's do that. Because for me, I've always just saw myself as a singer, like I never expanded, but I'm glad someone pushed me to expand and and you know, see myself in different ways because rapping is something I never saw myself. Like I don't feel like I have the voice of a rapper, you know. I feel like rappers have a certain like a vibe, you know. Yeah, they they carry themselves in a certain way. I feel like me, I'm more of like I like to sing, like I don't know, I like to feelings, you know.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

I think so, yeah, yeah. I was thinking that um uh I'm the lucky song to have you right after the the release of the song.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

Yeah, like crazy, huh? I was like, oh.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

This feels like a marketing strategy, definitely one stone too bird. So for sure. I got through after the release the release of uh coming home, yes, and yeah, so coming home, how that how did it come? Well, I mean crazy story. What's the message behind it?

SPEAKER_02 11:04

And so the okay. So I made Coming Home was one of the I have these songs that I record very unlike I don't expect it to come like the way it comes, like unplanned. Yeah, so Coming Home was one of them, and it's a sequel to a song that I did before called Wonderlust, and the whole vibe of this song is like this deep voice effect, and um I really love that vibe. So I've I've tried to create this like like another character of myself, like another Chase 2.0 type of vibe, you know, a more matured one like that. Because all these songs came after I got married, you know, so it's it's um it's a bit more sentimental to me, you get me? So so coming home in particular, I freestyled it. It was not written, nothing was written in that song. That song was just purely speaking from the heart, like there was no filter, there was no nothing. Something about music when you let go, it's so freeing. A lot of people don't let go, like they're they're very, they're very like I'm trying to sound like this artist, or I'm trying to do but for me. I just wanted to let go and not think of anyone but how I want the music to be. Just let yeah, just just let yeah, you know what I mean? Like don't overthink these things. So I just yeah, I just let myself go, and I'll never forget recording that song because I didn't even have a proper setup, I didn't even have a stand. I was holding the microphone like my pro my recording microphone like this. So like it was just raw, like it was very raw, and um, yeah, I just enjoyed it. The studio, like I said, the room didn't even have a studio yet, it was just a desk and a laptop. That was it, and um I made that song now. Uh fast forward, the studio is looking, you know, a bit more lavish.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Oh, that's a very artistic, and uh I feel a little bit betrayed today because you can see uh just looking good, baby. Blacking black is a full vibe. So I saw I saw the video and I was like, I'm coming looking. I was expecting you to come you you know what?

SPEAKER_02 13:15

Uh I should have I should have came with a full suit and and just continue the song here.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

I I I took the whole podcast thing uh like the same vibe I saw in the in the yeah no no now I think why I was thinking like you are coming straight from shooting that video. That's what that's the feeling, huh?

SPEAKER_02 13:34

That that's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

Yeah, you did your research well, huh? Definitely. I was uh I was following very closely. Thank you, thank you, appreciate it. Great music, man. Some great music. So when I was starting this podcast, I was focusing on young people out there. Okay, like just us, like just where we have been an empire, you know, we are to get here, you said you started in high school, yeah. Having studies, having families, yeah, and and now here you are. For a young artist who's there, who still uh maybe in high school, somewhere who haven't started yet, yeah. What is the message to you? What what can you tell him today? Like there's two types of uh I'd say music. Yeah. The music that is pushing us to be like, you know, punch money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think music at some at some point or some ways have been used to to to to to convey the wrong message to to a lot of people. I've seen it in my in back in Rwanda, uh uh specifically the region where I come from is the hub of music. Okay. It's the hub of music.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

What genre in particular? Or just all in Mirambo.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Okay. So it is every single artist is coming from there, but we have this kind of thing of violence, uh drugs. Yes. I mean, if you want to feel like an artist, like a cool person, you have to be doing drugs, you have to be doing this. Okay. So how can we use this music to convey a good message and also to motivate the young people who are there? There's much to music than being, you know, these savage and aggressive.

SPEAKER_02 15:21

Yeah. See, the thing is for me, maybe because I don't know if it's an artistic thing or it's just from listening to people in interviews talk about it, but I feel like when artists are talking about drugs and violence, sometimes they're just talking about their environment. Like they're not necessarily advocating for any of that, they're just saying the reality they live in. But then obviously along the line, things got twisted, and some people started to use that as like a uh a sign of success, which is not like these people are getting out of that situation and they're talking about it in the music, but you're taking it as yeah, that's what I need to do. You're it's a backward situation, but that's not how it is. You can't be there, exactly, exactly, you know, and I feel like some people they wanna be that like you said, because of the whole cool thing, yeah. But I I don't know, I feel like okay, so you're I feel like I want to answer this in two ways. Yeah, the the the whole young people, and then going on to that, because it's two different things, yeah. A and B. Yeah. So firstly, young people, yeah. I feel like you're at an advantage because social media is doing better now than it's ever done before. So I definitely feel like you just consistently need to understand that not everything in life comes like you want it. Like you're gonna have to, it's not a straight line, it's gonna be roundabout, left to right, U-turn. You might even go up back a couple of steps, go a couple front like forward a couple of steps. So it's a lot of uh ups and downs. But you just have to ask yourself, like, how bad do I want it? And I'm telling you from now, even your bestest friend might not believe in you the way you believe in yourself, because everyone looks at you with their own expectation of how far you can get. So you have to be able to take a certain advice from people, but understanding what is actually worth using, and some just you know, no, don't really discard, but like keep it to the side because some advice is will you need it later on in life. So, yeah. So if you're young and you're trying to start to do this whole music thing, it's very easy. All you got you gotta do is get yourself a mic. And you know, by the way, uh I advocate about this on my story all the time. I'm like, if you're a starting artist and you don't know what to do and you feel like you're an Oman, no one's gonna recognize you, DM me, I will show you.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

I saw it on your Instagram story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the guy and you have DM me.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

DM me, let's make this because for me, like that's why as I continue doing music, I started to notice that that's what kind of I want my message to be. Where like I want to help because for me, like, I'm still not close to where I want to be, but I'm better than I was. So now maybe I can show you a couple of things that helped me, you know. So a lot of uh these young artists will hit me up and they will be like, Yo, I'm 14, what do I do? And then I'm like, Don't worry, you don't have to worry about all these things. This is what you need to do. Visit this website, distribution company, to distribute your music. This is how you make the music. You use this software, this, that, that, and you know, a starter pack almost, you know. And um, if you're starting, I feel like one of the main things you have to understand is develop your own sound. How do you develop your own sound? Make as much music as you can. Like it's all about the repetition, like it's not about making one or two songs and I'm done. No, it's about I've made so many songs in my life. Songs, some songs will never see the day of light, like I would never release them. It's for me, you know? And some are personalized, like for example, it's for my wife, it's only for her, some are for my mother. Some I try to, you get me? It's like a gift for everyone, it's a timeless gift, you know. So um yeah, believe in yourself. I feel like um you people say these things, you hear this stuff even on reels and stuff, like believe, take six months off, and you know, all these stuff. But I feel like you have to understand that like it's you are the person with the controller. Yeah, there's things you can't control, but there's a lot you can control. So, what are you gonna do? You know, are you gonna keep going out every weekend or are you gonna go in the studio and try to figure this music thing out? So, yeah. So that's that. And then the second one about the violence and everything. You know, I've thought of that when I when I got to the age of like like let's say early 20s, yeah, it it crossed my mind. I was like, I'm doing this music thing. What is like what type of things am I trying to talk about? So I started to make like self-motivation songs because I was like, I I I obviously I don't want to do music talking about like drugs and all these violent stuff because like we're not about that life, you know. So I'm not gonna act like or behave in a sense that I'm not, I'm gonna be me to the fullest. That's something that got me this far, so I might as well continue. And yeah, just um understand that these some of these artists when they're making these music, they're just talking about their environment. So it's a self-awar, it's an awareness thing. Yeah, self-awareness and awareness. So for you to take it and glam use it as a like you know, glamorizing it, I feel like nah, like you need to understand the difference. And people that will fall into that, I guess uh they're just easily influenced, but um, yeah, you gotta you gotta put re-center yourself and understand that if you you are going to do music, what is your message, you know? So you get me.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Man, I saw that um that uh Instagram story of yours, and I was like, oh man, he's into lifting others because I really, really like into um reaching out to those people who are still struggling.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

There's a lot of people who do who don't have information, enough information, yeah. Who doesn't think oh that guy is he's already making music, he's already got a name. Yeah, think about us, how do you do because some people have to learn the hard way hundred percent?

SPEAKER_02 21:09

100%. I I I feel like I had to have I you know my first song, I didn't even say words, I was just mumbling, and I was so certain that this is a good song. And I remember like first time I ever wrote a song, it was a paragraph, no structure, no rhyming, no nothing. It was no one taught me YouTube videos that were so limited, like not like now, now you can learn everything easy. I remember the videos were like two, three, four videos at most, and the rest were like not really that good. And yeah, I just had to really understand this thing on my own. So I get what you mean about the hard way.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Like Yeah, definitely. If you started in your in your I think in your days, yeah, there was uh limited information out there, there was limited artists you could reach out here. Yeah, there was especially here.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Yeah, I m I remember like a quick shout-out to all the people that in my when I was young they were doing it, there was AKD. There was uh Dan Zak who's still doing it till now. There was uh Joey Joe, there was Eddie, crazy, and uh double time. They had a group the crazy. He was someone that was in high school as well with me, so I approached him as well, and he was someone that taught me a few things about recording. Yeah, so um, and then there was there was a lot of Eagle Sparks, there was a lot of uh artists, triple B and uh SG, and um yeah, there was people doing their thing, but um there was yeah, I had to reach them, and I was really young, so the people looked at me as a bit like you know, like is he really but three like Eagle Sparks, uh SG Um and uh what AKD, they gave me a shot. I actually have a song with them like when I started with a very young voice, you know, and I I wasn't even going by the name Chase. I I had different uh nicknames before till I got to here, you know? So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Okay, um I saw you uh it was your mom's birthday or something recently, and I was like, okay, um, how was your family? Like, was they supportive at the beginning or till now?

SPEAKER_02 23:12

Yeah, no, honestly, my my parents did you get into trouble with my brothers? I the only trouble I got with them was recording so late at night and waking them up, and they're like, yo, relax. You know, come on. I had so many situations with my brother, he just pulls the wire of the plug of the PC and he's like, bruv, it's done. Because we used to share uh uh yeah, so he'd be like, bro, it's 2 a.m. I'm trying to record this. He's like, nah, bro, let's sleep. So um, yeah, but they've all been like I'm very grateful, shout out to them. They've they've been very, very my parents, like they've been always like telling me my dad would be like, express yourself, you know, like speak, speak whatever is on your mind. My mom would always be like uh telling her friends or telling me like to sing and all and my brother, my brother is like he was a very harsh critic, yeah. Like he was someone that would tell me on my face, this is bad. This is and I've been working hours for it, but he is the reason why I polished so well and did so well, because even though it felt like at that moment, why are you being so hard on me? But like it I see what he was doing, like it was it was like giving me the reality check before the comment section could say anything. You get me? This is the real comments, you know.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

It's good to have somebody who can tell you this right in your eyes because you can go out there, people motivating you, but no one is telling you the actual mistake they have seen. Yeah, once you get there, the street is is really tough.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

Yeah, so I feel like I got like some sort of pre understanding of how people are gonna react because you have parents and all, and my dad is the one that like how can I say introduced me to like RB soul music. We would be in the car together so many times, and he'd be like, Boys to men, this that Mariah Kerry, listen to this part. You see how they transitioned from the bridge to the chorus, how they took it up an octave, you know, and I you remember because back in the day I feel like a song could go all year, like how we would, you know, really um enjoy it, you know. So I used to listen to all of that with him, with my parents and brother, and yeah, like regardless, they knew that okay, whether this is morally good for us or bad to support him, but I am the type of kid that was like once I have my my like onto something, I'm not letting go. So you might as well just help me, you know what I mean? Like you might as well like yeah, you might as well just come on my because I would not like yeah, because like because I'm the type of person, like I I I saw music and then I I was straight away this is my thing, and I just never let go. So uh so people obviously in the beginning they were like, Are you sure you want to do this? Look at where you are, look at this, but I just I don't know, I just felt like why not though? Like you really have to ask yourself sometimes, why not though? You know, why why do I have to stick to all these like why are you trying to put me on a box or label me as something? Like, why can't I just be whatever I want to be, you know?

SPEAKER_01 26:16

So yeah, so um, but you had to make sure to you had to make sure the grades are you know with that score because some of my friends who are now uh artists back at home they were struggling in class. They were really scared and they they didn't care about class and stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

I didn't care to be honest. In the beginning, in the beginning, I didn't care. I remember I I legit like teachers talking, I'd literally be doing my thing. But then around like grade 10, 11, something clicked. Yeah, and I was like, I have to find a way to balance this if this is gonna be my life, you know. So yeah, and then after that, uh my studies has been amazing. Because me academically, I I I'm good, like I really love like chemical engineer that I I enjoyed that. And I graduated first class honor and I enjoyed it, like it was it was something that uh till today, like I love to review and read about. Like I'm I'm um I love studying and I love um challenging myself, you know. So yeah, definitely. So um are we seeing any performance anytime soon? I'm working on something. Yeah, I'm working on two things. I'm working on a private, intimate show, yeah, where it's going to be uh like in invitation. Invitation. Of course, you get of course. Yeah, uh I got you, and um you gotta you give me like you gotta sort it out. You you brought me to your zone, I have to bring you to my zone. It's just the right way. Exactly. It's a trade-off, and um, and yeah, and I've got what a thing happening when the weather is a bit better. Yeah, and um the second thing, I've got this idea with uh one of my friends, uh shout outs to Pais. He has a boho van, a van where you see him a lot, like he's someone that like in any type of of these events, food events or whatever, he's always there with his uh truck and they do like live performances. So we have this idea of going around Muscat with it and just doing random performances in random places, like uh and just randomly drop in a location and whoever little audience wants to come. And it's mainly for content slash uh you know, uh telling everyone about it before hopefully we make something around the GCC or something, you know, see how it goes. It's just the idea for us to hang out, chill, do but at the same time do something instead of just be, you know, chilling. Okay, okay, that's great. So yeah, you know, something because I feel like you gotta think outside the box, and he has the van. So I'm like, you know what, bro? Let's let's do something, you know. So he was like, Yeah, I'm down, but he has his own thing happening right now. So um I told him, like, it's okay when we find the right timing, you know. And for so in the meantime, I'm just adding more songs to the playlist of performance to perform. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

You talked about the Bobsy and Bobsy, yeah. I did I was thinking like uh you can have a best friend. Oh just like men. You yeah, I see girls that are mainly uh like in groups, girls they they hang out with a lot of friends, mainly. Yeah, but we guys we tend to have like one single best friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Usually it's your brother or somebody from a childhood. Yeah, and sometimes if you are living, uh if you are looking in a different direction, it's really hard to to to have somebody who's pushing you to do that, to record that next music, to do to go to the studio. Yeah, yeah. But um, how in how is it important? How important is it to have somebody, um a close guy, um a best friend, who's pushing you, who's uh pushing you in an opposite direction, but giving you the same vibes and pushing you to the to to the same uh to your goals. Yeah, because I've struggled with this back in the days, yeah. I feel like it's blank out introvert.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Yeah, okay. See, my brother's an introvert. Yeah, we're opposite to me, my brother. He he's an introvert, I'm an extrovert. So I mean him were as well. So me, Bobs, my brother, like these are people that are in my very close uh circle. Yeah, and then obviously I've got people day ones from high school, like uh a lot a lot of friends. Like, I feel like if I list now and I miss someone out, it will be a hectic situation. But uh a lot of a lot of childhood friends, like uh one of my really, really till-to-day childhood friends who's getting married soon actually. Ahmed Riyami, he used to come with me to performances and be that guy that videos these and I put it up on YouTube before it was a like it was a thing. Of course it was a thing, but I'm saying before it was a thing that you would go out for that. You get what I mean? Like content creation and all. And um, yeah, he would literally be there filming, and then um with Bob Zak, he was someone that you know what it's very important to have someone that will give you such advice as if it's for him. It's for him, yeah. See, with uh Bobs and with my brother and with Ahmed and with all the people that are around me, because I have so many different friends from different uh times of life, you know. Um, and uh a lot of all of them that I had like and the reason why I kept them around me is because they had this type of care like it was for themselves, you know, and uh uh like Ali Sharji, one of the people that I work closely with, Fen Neperer, who's uh Fen made this, who's Saad, his actual name. These people, they're they're videographers, they got this skill and they put it close. My cousins, I have Sal Habdu, all of these, you see, these people, like they all they care uh because they see the the vision, you know what I mean, and they've been in support of me before all of this. And then I have uncles that as well sing and part, you know, are are giving me advice like Harat Hazi and my other Thwaini, my uncle Twain Hazi, like they give me like the the moral that I need with this music, you get me. So it's very important to have someone that is going to care for you beyond, like even if you don't make it. You got what I mean? Like it's not because in the end, like who knows if you're gonna make there's no guarantee in anything, they gotta do it for you in the end. So I love the fact that they all like boost me and Bubs, like he's been closely in the studio with me, like he've seen me down, he's seen me go, like, can't even finish the song, and he'll be like, No, I'll help you, you know, like we'll we'll get this done. And um there there's even a couple of songs that are out on my Spotify that he wrote the whole song. Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

I was about to call him out and like, oh come on, man.

SPEAKER_02 32:46

Yeah, no, no, no, no. It's one button, it's something, come on, yeah, no, and uh so so songwriting wise, like in the beginning, like I used to I used to know how to write songs and stuff, but I used to be very uh like anxious and not know. So some of the songs like he was like, you know what, I'll write it and you and just give me credit, uh, and uh you can sing it, you know. And there were songs about like where I would help with the ideas and stuff, but yeah. Okay, that's that's great. I feel like I I went to so many, but I felt like it was that's what I wanted to get.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

But Bobs, I hope he watched this and next battle soon.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

We have I'm not gonna lie, we have so many battles. Yeah, battles in the past that people didn't watch that are out on our Instagram if you scroll down, yeah and um on the Oman FM like uh page. Yeah, but um like we have so much battles coming because when we did the food battle, like well, okay, we did not expect that because we've done like like nine battles before that, yeah, and it was like it was good uh uh response, but it wasn't like that like that till today till today, especially the demographic of like Africa, East Africa, West Africa, they would message and be like, What it like this is crazy references, and some people they can't believe in Oman like there is such dialect, you know. Yeah, of course, so they don't know like the history, you know.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

That was really good. It's uh it's a monumental kind of stuff thing, and you have to do something else like so in that context, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

So uh any collabos son?

SPEAKER_02 34:21

Hmm. The thing is, I'm the type of person I personally don't like to say collabs because I don't like to ruin the the manifestation, you know. What if it doesn't happen? What if something happens? But collaborations that I can say that the songs is done and ready. Of course, my my one of Bobs, of course, something's coming, a song is coming with Bubs, not a battle, you know. Yeah, um, and uh Salem B, someone that uh one of my really good like we've worked on music, he's also a singer, yeah, and uh another artist called Zodex. We have something coming up, um, and I've got I've got some potential international songs that I I would keep a surprise, but there's one that's coming soon, which is uh a col a collaboration with an uh a producer called AY. AY? Yeah, he's in Dubai. Uh okay, I think AY from Kenya. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's Dubai, and um we're we're actually finalizing some of the stuff now before the release, so I'm really excited for that. Uh, because it's like this working with him was the first time that I don't take care of the editing. Yeah, because I'm very hands-on with the editing, like I like to sound a specific way. Like I will not trust anyone to just hand over my sound and no, like I will do the final touches. But this is the first time where I get to um give it to someone more experience, more years in this, more um, yeah, more knowledgeable so that quite a lot, yeah. Yeah, and he's established himself in the in Dubai, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Okay, okay. So there's a huge package in coming days.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

Yeah, yeah. No, I I I feel like I said to myself, like, done, we got married, we settled. You know, it's been two years now. Um everything is alhamdulillah better and it's it's uh more stable, you know. So I'm thinking to myself, now you know what? It's it's time to explore this music stuff because I have so many music I keep on my laptop. I have a bad habit of that. Like I I record music daily, so you can imagine the amount of music I have, you know. But I just I just have this bad uh habit of keeping it and just saying later, later, later, later. But I'm trying now, and all my friends now and family, and all I've told them about this, so they're now all like come on, no more project after project. Yeah now you're releasing it, or some of them people will make fun, they're like, or we'll leak it like you know release it or we leak it.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

Yeah, literally. It's you have the ultimate, you know. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

Okay, man. Um that was a great, that's amazing, and uh yeah. I was gonna ask you what has what has been the most challenges you have faced, like doing music until this very day.

SPEAKER_02 37:00

I feel like it's finances. I feel like people don't realize how much finances goes behind this because in the end of the day, like when you we you start, more or less you're not gonna make anything back. Like I just got to a point now where I'm making it back. Like last year, end of last year to now is when I'm getting like money from streams, you know. But like you will go, there will be times where you're gonna go, like, what am I doing now? Like financially, I can't support myself doing this. And I feel like that's why a lot of people here like they plateau and they they reach a limit where they're like I can't do this anymore and stuff because and the support and stuff, but I feel like yeah, financially was the it I would say is the biggest thing that and um and motivation, like self-motivation to actually do it in a country that is you know, yeah, so like you said, conservative and stuff. So that two things is definitely like self-motivation and self-creativity and all of that, and the financial aspect, because in the end of the day, when you make a song, the beat you have to pay. If you're gonna do a music video, you're gonna have to pay the studio and the videographer, and um and then you have to buy licenses for your copyright. So so many things you're just swiping, swiping the card, you're right, and hoping one day it will come back, you know. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:20

So for those out there, it takes a lot of courage, and you have to you have to be to love it.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

Yeah, you have to you have to look at it beyond the clout, beyond the the the impressing X uh Y Z people, in beyond the status uh of it. Like you gotta look at it as this is me. This is this is what I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

Yeah, yeah, definitely, because it's uh studios where even back uh in the days, you see there's a lot of people holding to the studio, like I'm I don't know when I'm recording. I'm recording like three hours late, and you have to spend a lot of money, and sometimes the the feedbacks you say, oh now I'm tired because the fear you thought it's gonna be massive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

To the young stars, they have to understand that it's really, really yeah, and learn and learn how to do everything on your own so that you don't have to that's one thing that I'm so grateful I did. At a young age, I learned how to do everything on my own. Yeah, recording, mixing, mastering, editing, everything. Like I feel like I'm so grateful for that because nowadays you have to pay, wait, this producer, that, that, they will take the money and leave. And there will be like times up. Some people some producers, uh like uh in terms of uh renting the studio to record, one hour means one hour. They don't understand, they're not understanding, they're not uh lenient, they're not nothing. The moment you are done, they are they're like done, you get me. So um if you learn how to do everything in your bedroom, you have a mic, you have the whole setup, yeah. Now you you have less problems to deal with, you know. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:55

So are you are you working with any like uh how do I call it that house of house music uh collab?

SPEAKER_02 40:02

Oh, you mean like to use their studios? Yeah, like a sponsorship situation, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:07

No, so you're doing the whole thing by yourself, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:10

But I'm open, you know. If you're watching this here, I'm open to negotiation, but I'm doing the whole thing on my own. I've been doing it on my own, obviously with the aid of friends in terms of videoing or um any little stuff in that industry. Yeah, uh, I do have a lot of people that help me from time to time on things, but the music itself, like uh we're in the studio every day on my own in my own place, and we're yeah, we're learning every day, and I'm doing courses and I'm edit teaching myself, you know. Hello. So yeah. So uh do we have a lot of uh producers here in the uh like beat makers? Yeah, not necessarily, if I'm being honest. Like most of the people I deal with are abroad, uh like Dubai, uh UK, and in Australia, because obviously I was there, so I have friends from you know, like that. But in Rama not much, like the only people I can think of is Triple B and a couple others here and there. Maybe I can't think right now, but there are a few producers here and there, but I feel like yeah, having there's no there's more artists than producers here.

SPEAKER_01 41:17

There are more artists than producers.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

Yeah, there's a lot of you know what's crazy. There is a lot of people that sing and rap in one that would blow your mind. That would actually you would be like, wow.

SPEAKER_01 41:28

That post you saw a lot of uh DM.

SPEAKER_02 41:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw a lot of people DMing, and some people they're like, yo, I just want to be honest, I'm not like they would DM this, they'll be like, I'm sorry, I just want to be honest, I just don't want to do this, like because I know my family is this, or because my family name is this, or whatever touchy touchy, you know, sensitive situation that they know that with backlash and they know they won't last long. So they're like, there's no point in doing this. But I definitely feel like um when I was sent some stuff and I was listening, some people are out here, are talented, and some of them are young, like they don't understand that like how they can leverage this, you know. And uh, you know, you can't force these things to each their own. So everyone has their um it's a risk, you know. You you you're putting yourself on a limelight, you know, and there is there is things with it that come that some people might not want. Like you some people don't want to be recognized when they go in public, you know. Some people just want the the to just make the music, you know what I mean? So it's a lifestyle, like you said. There is uh is there any competition here, like you know, like uh like competitive artists type of there is, I'm not gonna lie. Like, I'm not gonna sit here and be like, no, I'm the old one out here. No, like obviously there's a lot of artists out here that are doing their things. There is a lot of people that are Romani, but they're not in Romani. Yeah, you get what I mean? Like, there is a there is uh artists that are in Dubai. Um speaking of beat producers, I just remembered a beat producer that I really like, WhatsApp Nail. I don't know if you know him, but he's he his brother Groovinaj, he raps and he makes the beats, WhatsApp Nile. He's such a phenomenal uh guy making beat. And then like yeah, competition-wise, like it's a friendly competitiveness, it's uh it's a competitive like a competition that makes us push to the you know what I mean? But um like the artists that I'm thinking in my head right now, the reason why I'm not mentioning is because they're not really active. You get me for it to really be competitive, you need to go neck and neck with me. You get me? So when I look at that, like because me as an artist, I wanna know who else is down here, you know what I mean? So I look through their Spotify, you know?

SPEAKER_03 43:44

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 43:45

So I look through their Spotify and uh inconsistent, you know, like that's uh it's a shame because uh some of them uh they're really good, like they're really, really good, and uh and I I for me like when I See an artist that I really like, I'm not gonna be like acting like uh, you know what I'm saying? No, I'm not gonna be like that. Like, I'm going to be like commenting, liking, and stuff. Because for me, like I'm a lover of music, like I'm not out here trying to act like you get what I mean. So you gotta with this stuff, you gotta be humble and humble yourself and understand that you're doing it and you have your journey, but someone else has their journey. So why is your journey better than their journey? There's no we're all just painting a bigger image, and in the end, we're all trying to put Oman on the map, you know?

SPEAKER_01 44:32

Yeah, true. I I was thinking about uh the music here, the uh a lot of music, even one what the the music of Hot here, or the first time I get here is like cultural Arabic and stuff. Yeah, the Arabic secular music has it has it penetrated yet, or the the public has started, you know, uh welcoming it, or there's still a long journey to go. With the okay, so because cultural music is really really a hype here.

SPEAKER_02 45:03

Yeah, no, see in Arab Arabic rap yeah down here is is hectic. Yeah, like it's it's at uh like the writing you have to be top tier, like it's it's becoming very you know, and then there is artists that uh go in both like Arabic and English, like this young and just faded, like he's doing the whole Arabic and English mixing them, you get me. But Arabic, like it's two two different things, right? Arabic and English music is it it's separated down here. The Arabic scene here, crazy, honestly, crazy. I once I didn't know anything about it until Bubs, because Bubs once upon a time he had a company, yeah, a music company, rap, and he used to throw shows, battles, Arabic rap battles, and uh and even ciphers and stuff. And he opened my eyes to the Arabic scene down here to the point that I started to collaborate with some of them.

unknown 45:56

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 45:56

I think this is an Arab thing. Arabs are really good at writing, they're very they're very poetic.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

They're very uh yeah, they're very uh because even us like like when I sit with my friends and we start in when we and we're speaking in Arabic, our metaphor, similes, and the way we we attack like punchlines and stuff is very funny. We're very we're comedic by nature, you know, and poetic. So put that on a song, understanding how to utilize, and dangerous, you get me.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

Yeah, I I I I wanted to learn Arabic sometimes, but I I did Arabic in um uh in high school because I studied in uh an Islamic school. Okay, nice. I tried, but when I came here, the Arabic is really, really tough.

SPEAKER_02 46:37

Yeah, and in dialects it's a very cold uh it's it cuts deep that I don't understand.

SPEAKER_01 46:43

Yeah, but I feel like it's in time. If it's time, you will you will get it. I'm here, yeah. You know, this is your you you get me as you're doing this podcast, you as well Arabic as I'm after it, but uh Arabs are really good at writing, and uh I think those raps are amazing, amazing, yeah. And maybe in some time they'll start getting uh huge, huge platforms.

SPEAKER_02 47:04

Yes, the thing is they are recognized in the GCC, they are recognized. Like I have been in situations where I've heard uh like some uh rapper in Saudi shout out someone in Oman because the thing is about the rappers in Oman, like it's just support that they're missing. But as people, as rappers, they are ready, they are hungry, they are actually ready to like do this. But it's just they need to feel like their people are behind them and like they are behind them on socials, on performance, but there is more to it, you get me? Like um, there's more you need to do for an artist like them for what they're trying to do. But I I honestly would love to see them shine and stuff. There some of them are here, are doing some damage to it.

SPEAKER_01 47:49

He's a he's a friend of mine on on uh we were talking on Instagram. His name is uh Isatak. Do you know him? Isadatak? I don't know. Isadataku from maybe if you show me his Instagram or something, yeah. He sent me some of his um his tracks and he was amazing in Arabic, yeah. Yeah, so when you you hear these songs you understand. Uh uh not not not everything, but you pick up like here and there, right? Yeah, yeah, definitely. So this is the guy.

SPEAKER_02 48:24

No, I don't know this guy. Oh man, he's he's oh I you know what's crazy? Yeah, he did a uh a promo thing, right? Yeah, yeah, he did it. The the the shoe travers, uh something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is he so he's almost I think he's uh he's a UAE or something, yeah, yeah, with because of the uh the clutes, yeah, yeah, yeah. They okay, yeah. I so I don't know him. I can't say I've uh I've listened to his music or whatever, but like I've seen the the his uh promotion boost stuff, yeah, on um what's it called, Instagram, and um yeah, he has potential.

SPEAKER_01 49:02

I think we need to support each other here in this, so uh yeah because we are uh as I I think it's it's in its early days, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:14

Yeah, like there is so much like to discover, yeah, like like for example, with me uh two years ago I started the journey of changing my sound to Afrobeats. To Afrobeats because like to me was a big step. Yeah, because I feel like when I look at Afrobeats, I look at its cultural impact, like the actual roots of Afrobeats, you know? And um and when I wanted to do it, I didn't wanna be the type of artist that mimics an accent. Yeah, you know, the because I feel like that's just wrong, you know. Like you either gonna just just do your normal thing on Afrobeat. Yeah, you get me. You don't have to you get me act like you're out here, like you you come from Nigeria and you're all like no, like just if you're from this place, rep that place. Yeah, you get what I mean. So for me, the first thing I had to realize is like, okay, I'm gonna do this. I took the RB approach. Obviously, it's it's interesting, Afro R and B, yeah, but then I started to slowly tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak. And I really love it. I feel like the bounce of an Afro beat will like for an artist in the studio, it will give you what you need to keep going. You get me? So I really enjoy that, and uh, I would love to see more people in Oman do that because I feel like I don't know anyone that's doing Afro beat here, like like that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 50:31

So I've seen some uh some people from Nigeria, they took they take a part of a piano, they tweak it in their own way.

SPEAKER_02 50:38

Yeah, I've heard that thumbs up, yeah, beautiful. I feel like music is now coming to a point where it's going to get mixed so much that we're going to create, of course, new genres, just like I'm a piano and everything, but at the same time, we're gonna people are gonna create their own, like even more, like they're gonna sub-genre, sub-genre, sub you get me, because um music has no limitations, so why not you know explore?

SPEAKER_01 51:02

Yeah, I have to be more creative. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely it was a great pleasure to have you here.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

Thank you so much for having me, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 51:10

And this is this is I think it went way beyond what I expected. I thought you came on pressure and some stuff.

SPEAKER_02 51:16

No, this is fun. Yeah, this is this. I I I love this type of vibe, and I was looking forward to this, you know. And obviously, it had like uh it had to get delayed a couple of times, but I'm so happy that we finally did this. And maybe episode uh 20 or something, and you know, man, might come back. You get me. And uh I will come back with new stuff, you'll have the new stuff. So I feel like this is the beginning of uh of a friendship, you get me. So um, yeah, and hopefully, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. It was a pleasure.

SPEAKER_01 51:47

Uh so this is the end of the uh episode, and I really want to thank each and every single one of you who uh supported us in the first episode. And I was starting off too, and it was massive, it was massive. I got a lot of feedback, uh just telling you from Hartim.

SPEAKER_02 52:03

Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

There was a great uh uh, you know, a lot of efforts that were put by the studio. I want to shout out to the studio also that you shout out to you, honestly. Hat him showed up also. I was very surprised.

SPEAKER_02 52:16

Uh yeah, no, I know Hartim from work, yeah, and like he comes to record, like I was mentioning off the air, yeah, like off the before recording. And um, yeah, like see, like you would be surprised, like looking at someone like Hatim, you would think that oh, I I should approach him in this way, that way. But he is one of the most humble and just chill person. Like me and him have had so many deep conversations about things, and yeah, like and uh I look up to him. I I love I love everything that he's doing, and he is actually working alongside with as well my uncle. Oh Muhammad so really surprised to to to to to see his message. It was like no no he's a very humble down-to-earth guy, like he's not the type of person like oh I'll check my no, he's uh I'm free then, I don't mind giving you that time, you know, to spread the message. He's very he's very honestly big ups to him.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

I really want to shout out to to to the to the community. Um I got here. I I grew up back in Rwanda and a couple of countries back and in Africa, but when I got here, I saw the difference in community. It's really man, even somebody driving a lamb would stop to say hi to you. Yeah, yeah. Come on, these people are so chill. And until the day I came here to record with Hartim, and I was like, really? Is this the guy? Like, yeah, I I it's it would be very difficult to pull up somebody like that, to pull up somebody like you. I am nobody now, I have no.

SPEAKER_02 53:47

I feel like maybe because we all see the potential in here. You know, I feel like if you keep doing this, I definitely see great things coming. And uh I can confidently say that Oman is uh one off, if not the only country in the GCC that I feel like we're this humble, you know. Like put aside how much money we make, how much cause building, whatever, whatever it is. I feel like we have such a down-to-earth vibe, laid back vibe. Sure. And uh and and it reflects even on my music my music. I I speak about some of these things because like I had times where like if not for the the humbleness of the people, I would have not released certain music. Like there's certain videos that the the people shot the video for free for me, just because they believed in me, you know. So so and now we're giving the energy to you, you know. The and and hopefully you can uh do your thing and stay consistent because in the end of the day that's uh you know, because when I came here and I was like I was really thrilled by the culture.

SPEAKER_01 54:43

When I came here, I didn't really understand, I didn't know much about people here. But when I got here, I instantly got uh um a scholarship to go and university somewhere in a okay and I was I was like should I stay here or should I leave? And I was I decided to stay, but and now after realizing after I have been here for one year and six months, I think. Okay, and before this, now your whole life in Rwanda. I I was back in Africa, I was switched to Kenya a little bit. Nice, okay, but when I got here, I said there is a lot of opportunity here. I think the community is really good. I can stay here. And now here is I'm chasing my dream here in a country.

SPEAKER_02 55:22

Sometimes you gotta leave, you know, to to uh you get me? Sometimes it's uh you you sometimes it's not you, but it's it's your you where you where you're trying to do it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 55:33

And what and leaving home is one of the the the the thing that makes you grow. Uh it's it's really tough. Yeah you have to figure out a lot of stuff by yourself. But when I came here, I was like, I am going to make my dream come true here. Because I saw the potential in everything. And here we are.

SPEAKER_02 55:50

Yeah, no, big ups to you, honestly. And I know what you mean about abroad. Like when when going to Australia, the other side of this world, uh, it was one of the biggest challenges, but it was one of the best challenges as well. Because when I went there, obviously, as uh how old was I? I was like 18, 19, so I was really young. Now I'm 28. So like it's it's been uh it's been a minute, you know. But uh but yeah, it's uh the it was a crazy journey in understanding uh meeting people because one thing people don't talk about is when you go to a different country, yeah, you have no friends. You have no friends, like you have to understand that no one goes, you get me like you're you're not gonna go there and suddenly people are dabbing you on the airport, come I'll take you. Like it is lonely, it is lonely, fam. Like no one talks about these stuff, but um, yeah, like it's you. What are you gonna do? Are you just gonna be lonely until you your your time is done here, or are you going to utilize and start to get out there? Because and now they with social media just DM people, be like, yo, yeah, inside this. Exactly. You gotta go grab it.

SPEAKER_01 56:52

Some people are out of loneliness, they they they they start doing crazy stuff.

SPEAKER_02 56:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:57

You've seen some people coming here, even in the community, like in African communities living here. I've seen some people that are just opting to some you know bad habits just because they want to fit in in whatever group is there, whatever is going on. But you know, you have to be first, uh, I think you have to be comfortable with living yourself, give yourself a time, look around, see the environment, people who are working with what you rock with, yeah, then start going in. And this is a message to young people out there reach out to people, ask for help, ask for help. People you don't know how many people are there who are willing to help. Yeah only if you reach out to them.

SPEAKER_02 57:33

I'm always open. Like I feel like so many people message me and they're like, wow, like I didn't expect you to even reply. And I'm like, why though? Like, what am I like so busy? Like I can't take two seconds to reply to a message, like you get me. Of course, if you're busy when you are done, but like it doesn't you don't know the impact you you can have if you just replied, you know what I mean? Definitely so yeah, and and to all the youngins, like it's not all about like how popular I will be, or or like this is something separate, but like it's not about like putting a Google Maps location and from A to B. Like walk, look around, see, look up, put your phone aside. Yeah, honestly, sometimes I've I've been doing this new thing now where sometimes uh in a month I will uh switch off all electronic devices and for two days, zero. Zero, zero, you know what I mean? Zero, as in like nothing, like no, I don't have an iPad phone, laptop, nothing. For two days, I am out here, I am just embracing nature, I am just having proper conversations, no all one second, no nothing. And honestly, since I started that, I've been feeling such a balance in my life.

SPEAKER_01 58:42

Like, bro, uh I I've I've saying myself, the more screen time I had, the more empty I felt it. Exactly. So weird, huh? It's you feel so empty. But once you put aside, you it's it's kind of boring. Exactly. It's very hard to feel the dump upping is hard to see.

SPEAKER_02 58:59

Yeah, yeah. You start feeling low because you're used to looking at all these videos, and it makes you it makes you realize like uh uh likes, views, and uh comments, these things you will get used to it if you like all these people that make millions and all. So you gotta find a way of fulfilling your void without like having to rely and be dependent on likes and views.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

This stuff did they consume?

SPEAKER_02 59:24

For real. It's a job, it feels like a job, like me sitting there. It feels like another job.

SPEAKER_01 59:29

Definitely, yeah. So his name is Chase. Uh coming home is out today. Yes, sir. Make sure to go. He has uh on all his platforms, Spotify, everything, yes, yes, everything, more than 50 platforms. Yeah, just search Chase music, and he's there, just listen to the to the vibe. It's really great, and there's a lot of trust that coming out. And make sure to subscribe on our podcast and follow us on our social media platforms. We have uh we are on Spotify too, Apple Podcasts, yes, and uh you know, we are on Instagram, everything just it's wild true podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:03

And make sure to hit the notification bell to be notified with the next video. I always wanted to do that, so yeah, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:10

He did it until next time. Ciao