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Roadside Terror: How Stephen Judy Became Indiana's Most Infamous Killer
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Welcome to 69 South, where we cuss and discuss true crime, current events and hot topics, along with our state of society today. This is your trigger warning. Our podcast content is produced for viewers and listeners 18 years of age or older. We discuss topics that may be triggering to some listeners, so sit back, relax and enjoy 24-year-old Stephen Judy, is facing the electric chair with remarkable calm.
Speaker 2:This was his first public comment in more than a year, the last before his scheduled execution. There is a coldness about him when he talks about his crime murdering a young mother and her three small children. I can't say.
Speaker 3:I regret it honestly. I don't lose sleep over it. It's just something that happened. About his own death, it's something I look forward to.
Speaker 2:About efforts of the ACLU and others to stop the execution.
Speaker 3:They're actually going against my wishes. They don't represent me and as far as I'm concerned, it's illegal. And about society, which he blames for all his troubles. They've had their chance. They've never really tried. They've known from the time I was 10 years old that I was a very dangerous person.
Speaker 1:Welcome back to 69 South everyone. I'm Chop your host for the evening, and always with me is my beautiful co-host, julie.
Speaker 4:Hey everyone.
Speaker 1:Today we're diving into a story that's difficult to tell, one that shook the Indianapolis, mooresville, martinsville, brooklyn communities back in 1979. It left a lasting scar on the communities. This is the case of Terry Lee Chasteen, a 23-year-old mother and her three young children, misty, stephen and Mark, and the man who took their lives, stephen Timothy Judy. This isn't an easy episode, people. It's a somber look at a tragedy that unfolded on a cold, rainy day in late April and the troubled life that led up to it. So settle in and let's walk through this together.
Speaker 4:This story begins with a moment that at first seemed like an act of kindness. It was April 28, 1979. Terry Lee was driving her three kids Misty, who was five, steven was four and Mark was just two along the I-465 loop in Indianapolis. If you're not from Indianapolis or don't know too much about it, the entire city has an interstate I-465, that circles the city, making a complete circle um the highway that loops around indianapolis that I mentioned before. It's really the beltway hugging all of the suburbs, forming a rectangular loop around the heart of Indy. It doesn't just skim downtown, it gives a wide berth, keeping I-65 and I-70 as the only interstates cutting through the core.
Speaker 1:And that's basically just what it is. People call it the loop today because it just like loops around the inner city of Indianapolis.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you could drive on it for hours. I think it takes a whole hour to get around it.
Speaker 1:Hell. When we was young, we would just drive around it and around it, and around it and around it just fucking around honestly.
Speaker 4:Now Terry Ann was heading to drop her three small children off with a babysitter so she could go to her job. She worked in a produce department of Marsh Supermarket. Life felt normal, routine even, but that day everything changed when a blonde-haired blue-eyed young man flagged her down on the side of the road.
Speaker 1:Now this man was driving like a decked-out construction truck with lettering on it. Looked like someone you would trust. Back then, in the late 70s, things were a little bit different than they were today. Crime wasn't as rampant as it is today. I mean, you didn't have cell phones. People relied on each other more Now. He flagged Terry down and told her that he looked like one of her tires was coming loose and he offered to help. She must have been grateful, relieved, even, as he worked on her car. But what she didn't know was this was no random good Samaritan. This was Steve and Judy, and he had a plan.
Speaker 4:I'm confused about this plan. My mind can't imagine anywhere where a vehicle is pulled over, waving other drivers down, especially on 465. No one slows down, and have not for years. I'm sure it was just as bad in 79. What do you think?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, it was different back then, man. I mean people trusted each other. We were just out of the hippie era. You know what I mean If somebody was flagging you down especially. I mean I've seen pictures of this dude. He looked like a normal blonde-haired, blue-eyed handsome.
Speaker 1:All-American type boy yeah all-American young dude man, and she probably thought, damn, he's trying to help me out. So she pulled over and he was like hey, lady, it looks like your back tire. Hey, I'm going to hook you up. Man, you got kids. I'm going to try to tighten your back tire up. But it didn't go that way.
Speaker 4:Well, judy did pretend to fix the tire, then claimed there was an issue with her emergency brake. He looked under the hood and disconnected the coil wire from the distributor cap, disabling her engine. With her car now stranded, he offered Terry and her kids a ride in his warm truck. The weather that day was cold and rainy, lows in the 40s, highs barely reaching the 50s or 60s. It's easy to see why she accepted. They headed south on the Kentucky Avenue exit towards State Road 67, passing through Camby, where her babysitter lived Now. At first it might have still felt okay to her, but when Judy passed the turn to the babysitter's house she knew something was not sitting right.
Speaker 1:I bet when he passed the Canby exit she was like what the hell's going on? By then they were heading deeper into the countryside Now. State Road 67 in 1979 was a far cry from what it is now mostly cornfields and quiet stretches of road. Judy drove just south of Mooresville to a bridge over White Lick Creek, a spot known back then as a peaceful place. People fished for smallmouth bass there, I mean, kids splashed in the water and families enjoyed their calming nature. But for Terry and her children this turned into a nightmare. According to Judy's own confession, he forced the kids ahead of him and Terry down the path towards the creek. That's when the horror began.
Speaker 4:He stopped Terry, assaulted her brutally, physically and sexually. He tore her clothing to shreds, tied her hands and feet with strips from her own clothes, leaving her helpless. Then he strangled her to death with a strap from her purse. The children, hearing their mother's cries, ran back toward her. We can only imagine the terror they felt, the unimaginable scene they witnessed as they saw their mother's lifeless body. And then it got worse. Judy, in a cold and calculated act, threw each one of the three kids, one by one, into the seven foot deep icy waters of White Lick Creek where they drowned while they, the others, watched. After the assault, he left Terry on the creek bank naked and bound, and drove off as if nothing happened now one good thing.
Speaker 1:If you guys don't know this area around here, about this time of year, around Easter usually a week before to Easter week to a week after Easter the mushrooms begin to pop up. Well, the next day, mushroom hunters were hunting mushrooms around that little neck of the woods right there by Whitelit Creek just south of Mooresville, that little neck of the woods right there by White Lick Creek just south of Mooresville. They stumbled across Terry's body near the creek, naked and bound and showing signs of the brutal attack. Nearby they found Misty's body in the water, drowned next to her mother. They contacted the detectives and the police department and they launched a more extensive search where they soon recovered Stephen and Mark, downstream their small bodies, carried by the current.
Speaker 1:The autopsy confirmed that Terry died by asphyxiation, from strangulation, though drowning was also a factor and the children's deaths were real drownings. It's a scene that's hard to even process, joey, the brutality, the loss. It's really overwhelming to me to even think about what them children have seen and the whole situation. I mean, the poor woman was headed to work, taking the kids to the babysitter and then within 30, 40 minutes, man, all this shit goes down. It had to be like a horror film, like it wasn't even written at this time.
Speaker 4:It is Chop. But to understand how this happened we need to look at Steve and Judy's life. Most cases like this don't start with such vicious crimes out of nowhere. They build over time, and Judy's story is no exception. He was born on May 24, 1956, right here in Indianapolis, to Myrtle and Vernon Judy. His childhood was a nightmare, steeped in violence, alcoholism and dysfunction. His father, vernon, was abusive, often arrested for beating Judy's mother. Myrtle Judy later recalled moments that stuck with him his mother pulling a gun on his father during a fight and his father killing the family sheepdog in a rage after catching Myrtle with another man. His defense attorney, stephen L Harris, put it simply that's all he's known since the day he was born.
Speaker 1:See that chaos shaped him early, julie. His criminal behavior started young. By age 10, in 1966, he was already showing signs of trouble. He had stabbed a classmate with a compass at school, tried to burn down a neighbor's garage and began molesting high school girls by pushing them to the ground and assaulting them. Authorities kept catching him, but they just sent him back to his parents, no real consequences. Then, at 13, in 1969, he took a terrifying leap. Posing as a Boy Scout, he tricked his way into a woman's house in Indianapolis, raped her and stabbed her with a pocketknife until the pocketknife broke. Then he grabbed a hatchet, fractured her skull. The pocket knife broke, then he grabbed a hatchet, fractured her skull, severed one of her fingers as she fought back. He was caught. He spent six months in juvenile detention and then he was sent to Central State Mental Hospital from October 1970 to January 1973. There they labeled him a sexual psychopath. No shit Later, calling him a dangerous sadist and a psychopath. But they still said that he was legally sane, able to tell right from wrong.
Speaker 4:Now you know what, Whenever I had posted that we were going to do this story, we had a lot of comments, and some of these comments took me by surprise and I just want to read some of them to you.
Speaker 1:See, I grew up around Central State Hospital man. I lived right down the road from that and me and my buddies we used to ride our bikes and shit down through there. I was born in 73, and that's showing my age, so this would have been a little bit after he was there. But they had like a 12 foot fence around Central State man and all the crazy dudes would be in there like the criminally insane people and we'd be up there throwing them cigarettes and shit. It was pretty wild. I mean, it was kind of cool as a kid. We go, you know, drive our bikes to the crazies and shit it was. It was pretty wild. As a child.
Speaker 4:We check that shit out wow, that's crazy but you had some people reach out that some of their family members actually took care of steve and judy when he was in central state yeah, one of the comments that we got was like my grandma took care of him when he was at central state hospital and I just thought that was kind of cool. You know that there was so many people around that remember this case. It was big, big, big news back then. Yeah.
Speaker 1:My dad actually went to school with Steve and Judy at Washington High School. For a small minute, I mean, I remember them telling me that as I was growing up, like, yeah, your dad went to school with this crazy dude, with this crazy dude. But could you imagine, though, even 13 years old, to have the mindset to pretend like you're a boy scout, get into some elderly woman's house, stab her until the knife breaks and then grab a fricking hatchet man and try to crush her skull and cut one of her fingers off, I mean, and then do three months in a juvenile detention center and then, obviously, locked up for three years at Central State, which that's pretty fucked up deal as it is, but still.
Speaker 4:Well, exactly that's chilling At 13 years old with that level of violence. And it started even earlier, at 10. After his release in 73, the state police or the state placed him in foster care with Robert and Mary Carr. But they weren't told the full story, just that he'd accosted a woman and had a breakdown. Mary Carr later said that she felt betrayed by the system and that they'd put her family and society at risk by hiding his past. And she was right. He didn't stop. Over the next few years he kept up a pattern of violent sexual crimes. By 1979, when he crossed paths with Terry Chastain, he was on a $75,000 bond for a supermarket robbery. He'd pulled back in 1977. Now he got out on bond. It was April 24th of 1979, and he murdered Terry Chaston four days later.
Speaker 1:Not to mention we also found out during our research that he was still on parole In Illinois From a three-year bit he did in Illinois. Exactly Based on what we know, here's how his criminal history unfolded over the years. At 10 in 1966, he was molesting the high school girls that we had spoke about. He was molesting the high school girls that we had spoke about. He burned down a garage and stabbed a classmate. At 13, in 1969, there came the rape and attempted murder with a hatchet. God bless her soul. In his early teens, around 1970-73, he committed multiple sexual assaults and rapes. Exact dates are fuzzy until his later confessions. At 17 in 1973, he confessed to murdering two women in Louisiana while staying in New Orleans. At 21, in November of 1978, he murdered Linda Overzacht, a disco dance instructor in Indianapolis, and raped another woman here, leaving her tied to a tree in a wooded area. Her survival is unclear. Around the same time, 78 to 79, he confessed to kidnapping and raping a woman in Louisiana, throwing her into a swamp, fate unknown.
Speaker 4:He was also suspected in other murders across indianapolis and beyond then, at 22, on april 28th of 1979, he committed the crime that brought us here, raping and murdering terry lee chastening, drowning her three children, misty, stephen and mark, in white lit creek. The penalties, or lack of them, tell a story too. From 10 to 13, he kept getting released back to his parents no real punishment, probably because he was a kid and the system wasn't tough enough. Then, from 17 to 22, those confessed murders and rapes in lou, texas, california and Indianapolis. No penalties recorded. He slipped through until 1979. It wasn't until he was arrested in May of 1979 at the age of 23 that justice caught up, and I would like to talk about how he got arrested in Terry Chastain's murder, because it's an amazing story actually.
Speaker 1:It's definitely an amazing story and it's definitely an act of God in my eyes. See, there was this young man and he went to Mooresville Christian School and every day this boy and we're going to mention his name later because he is a hero in my eyes Every day he would sit out. He would sit and watch out the window in his classroom and the construction company that Steve and Judy worked for, that, I believe, his adopted father owned, which his adopted parents were victims to, as far far as we know the research we've done. He would look out the window and he would daydream about doing construction. He saw the same construction truck there at this job site every single day.
Speaker 1:So on the Saturday morning, him and his father had went to some kind of a prayer breakfast or a prayer brunch or something. Well, he saw the same truck that Steve and Judy had been parking at the construction site, parked at the bridge near White Lick Creek. And when all this came about about Terry Lee Chasteen and the babies being found to drown, they went to the police and said hey, this truck has been seen, has been parked at the construction site right across from my classroom window. What a freaking amazing story. That is man that just blows me away, and I was aware of this story for a long time, but that is a part of it that I was completely unaware of. He wasn't the only witness that said they saw that truck there, but he was the one that mainly put him, put Steve and Judy at the scene at the time.
Speaker 4:Just to thank a little 10, 11 year old boy just daydreaming out the classroom window. You know like they all do, not paying attention to what they're supposed to. And thank God, you know his eyes were on that truck because he remembered it vaguely. You know his eyes were on that truck because he remembered it vaguely.
Speaker 1:Now. The arrest came quick after the Chastain murders. Julie Judy first denied it, saying he was with his girlfriend, but she contradicted him, evidence piled up. A semen-stained coat was found at the scene, witnesses tying him to the truck and he confessed, though he pleaded not guilty. By reason of insanity, his trial started in January 1980 in Morgan County Superior Court with special Judge Jeffrey V Bowles presiding. I'm familiar with Jeffrey Bowles too, boy, he is a hell of a judge. He was actually a judge in Hendricks County and one of our kids actually got in trouble back in the early 2000s and Judge Jeffrey Bowles presided over it. I'll tell you what he was a force to be reckoned with. I don't know if that old man still alive, but he was a cool-ass judge. He was something else, I'm telling you. Prosecutors Thomas Gray and Stephen A Oliver laid out their case and Judy's own testimony where he detailed the rape and the murders sank in his defense. On February 2nd 1980, the jury convicted him of four counts of first-degree murder.
Speaker 4:We've got some newspaper articles from the trial. We'll read later Coverage that captured the shock and outrage as this unfolded. For now, let's keep going with what happened next.
Speaker 1:Now the sentencing phase is where things got wild. It was divided into guilt first, and then sentencing, and then Judy took over. He ordered his attorneys not to present any mitigating evidence, nothing to soften the jury's view. He then stood up in open court and told them I honestly want you to give me the death penalty because someday somehow I might get out. He said he'd kill again if he could, maybe even them, the jurors or the judge. He went further, threatening each jury individually claiming he knew where they lived. Jury individually claiming he knew where they lived, making sure they saw him as a danger. That wouldn't stop.
Speaker 4:He didn't let up either. During final arguments he told his attorneys not to fight the death penalty. They followed his orders, only suggesting to the judge that he consider the death penalties statutes constitutionally. Judy wanted this. He craved the spotlight and in the end it brought. On February 25, 1980, he got his wish, sentenced to death by electrocution. It was a big deal. Indiana hadn't electrocuted anyone since 1961. After a Supreme Court ruling in 72 paused death penalties nationwide. The state brought it back in 77 and Judy's case made it real again.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you something cool that I also figured out during researching this case. They called the electric chair Old Betsy. They called the electric chair old Betsy and they actually made old Betsy out of the wood, out of the old guillotines that they used to use to execute people in Indiana. The guillotines is the staircases that went up where they used to tie the noose around people's necks and hung them. They took the wood out of that when hanging become obsolete and they used that to make O'Betsy out of Wow, that's pretty freaking cool.
Speaker 4:If you ask me, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Another spotlight for these articles, Julie. We'll dig into how the papers covered that sentencing later. But O'Steven Judy didn't drag it out. He waived all his appeals, speeding things up. In the week before his execution he confessed more to his foster mother, Mary Carr, rapes and murders Across the states, including those two women in Louisiana in 1973, Linda Yunver zagged in 78 and others he couldn't confirm. Like that woman he tied to a tree and another thrown in a swamp. Some even wondered if he was tied to the 1977 murder of Indiana University student Ann Harmeyer, but jail records show that he was locked up then and he denied it when asked.
Speaker 4:Those confessions left questions denied it. When asked, those confessions left questions. His true body count is still a mystery, limited by the forensic tech of the time. On March 9th 1981, at the age of 24, he faced the electric chair at Indiana State Prison in Michigan City. His last meal was prime rib, lobster tails, potatoes with sour cream and a chef's salad with French dressing and a dinner roll. He asked for four beers, but they said no. Before he died, he gave his watch to another inmate and said I don't hold no grudges, this is my doing, sorry, it happened. Outside, the Indiana Civil Liberties Union held a candlelight vigil against the execution while others shouted burn, judy, burn.
Speaker 1:That day stuck with Indiana. Judy testified he'd been committing crimes since the age of 10. 200 shopliftings, 200 burglaries, 20 to 50 robberies, 24 car thefts, 12 to 16 rapes. He'd seen about 30 psychiatrists and from 75 to 79, he was out of jail for just four months total. He lived with or slept with 15 women in that time. Three, he said, never heard him and he was with one the week before the murders. But the other woman testified about attacks, kidnappings, beatings and armed robbery, saying he was in control, though one said he acted crazy while hitting her psychiatrists Dr John Kuliker and Dr Larry Davis diagnosed him with an antisocial personality disorder, but every evaluation said he was sane, smart and knew what he was doing. The jury rejected his insanity plea and his execution closed the book.
Speaker 4:It's a lot to take in Thinking back to 79, it's wild how different things were no cell phones, less crime, more trust in strangers. Today, terry might have called for help or cameras might have caught Judy on that highway. Back then people stopped for a guy waving them down, especially one in a work truck. It's a reminder of how times have changed and how one man's actions changed Indiana's history too.
Speaker 1:That's right on. That's right spot on Julie. His case brought the death penalty back into focus here and his name still echoes as one of Indiana's worst. There's more to this story, folks. Pieces will add up as we go and give you the raw feel of how it hit the community. It's a heavy journey but we owe it to Terry, misty, stephen and Mark to tell it. Stay with us on 69th South as we keep uncovering the past for our community. So, with that being said, we like to read a couple of the old newspaper articles. We find these so interesting and so informational. So here's one that said there was a time that Steve and Judy was willing to bet a week's wages which back then probably wasn't $100 or $200, that he was right in believing if you picked up a girl hitchhiking she was your property in your car and you could do anything. Terry Lee Chastain wasn't hitchhiking the morning of April 23rd 1979. She was driving to work with her three preschoolers in the car. That didn't stop Judy, though 23, from doing anything when he persuaded her as she had car trouble, lured her in his foster father's construction truck, raped and strangled her and threw her children into a creek to drown.
Speaker 1:A Morgan County jury sat stunned Tuesday as Judy confessed on the witness stand to the murders of Ms Chastain, 21, and her children. Defense lawyer Stephen Harris led Judy to recount the murders as he sought to prove his client's innocence. By reason of insanity, today Judy faced a cross-examination from prosecutors who went to send him to the electric chair, where no one has died in Indiana since 1961. Judy said he smoked marijuana and drank a lot of beer in the company of two girls on Friday night April 27th. Then he left them and just went out riding around the east side of Indianapolis for three or four hours Driving along the interstate 465. In the dawn hours he saw Mrs Chasteen. Witnesses have testified that they may have recognized each other because he once dated a girl who worked with her at a supermarket. Judy said he pulled up beside her and pointed to the rear, indicating trouble. She stopped and he said that her rear wheel was threatening to come off. When she tried to restart her car she couldn't get the emergency brake off. He lifted the hood and that's when he pulled the coil wall off off, he admitted. When her car wouldn't start he persuaded miss chastain and her children to get in his truck. He pulled off into indiana 67 and stopped at white lake creek just a few miles south.
Speaker 1:I took her down to the creek a few miles south, judy said in a low solo voice. It was sometimes even inaudible. Then I raped her. He had sent the kids down the path downstream. There was a wound on Ms Chastain's chin and the state contends that she may have been threatened with a sharp instrument such as a screwdriver. I started to tie her up with parts of her red and white clothes, he said. She started crying don't leave me here. The children heard their mother screaming and returned. When they came back she was lying there all tied up and hollering and screaming, and they were all right there under my feet. He said I picked her up and I threw her down a small slope into the water. I then grabbed Misty and threw her into the creek. I grabbed the two boys and threw them into the creek as well. He said Harris asked Judy when he realized what he had done.
Speaker 1:When I looked back and I saw one of the little boys in the water, he said Judy said that he had not intended to kill either the woman or the children, but that he loses control of himself during a rape. Do you feel like you're a dangerous person? His attorney asked yes, judy replied. Harris asked if Judy would turn loose. Do you think the same thing would probably happen again? Yes, he answered. Do you think you're insane? The lawyer asked I don't know, judy said Earlier in the day. He said he probably had committed 200 robberies, starting at the age of 9 or 10. He had raped 12 to 15 women. A woman he raped and hacked with a hatchet was 13, so badly injured she required brain and open heart surgery. These are words that come straight out of Judy's mouth from the trial that we just wanted to share with you. That was just part of some of the trial transcript. We'd already covered most of that, but here is one newspaper article we thought particularly interesting, where Judy tried to escape jail.
Speaker 4:Now a judge ordered 24-hour security of convicted mass murderer Stephen Judy after he was discovered trying to escape from his cell block early Saturday morning. Officials said Judy said he had to try to at least one time get out, said Morgan County Sheriff Deputy Richard Allen, who spent most of the morning talking to the Indianapolis man. He said he has nothing to lose. He will be on 24-hour surveillance until he leaves here, allen said. Deputy Robert Bower said Judy was found at 2.30 am using a blanket in his attempt to pry loose the bars on the window in his cell block. Judy, 23, was convicted of last April's rape, strangulation Death of Cherry Lee Chastain, 21, of Indianapolis, and the drowning deaths of her three children. During the trial, which ended February 3rd, he confessed to several other rapes, but that was him trying to break out of jail. He said he had to do it just once, he had to try just one time. And wasn't it crazy? Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but wasn't it crazy that the sheriff's name at the time was Richard Allen?
Speaker 1:The same dude that, in our opinion, has falsely been accused, and hopefully I don't catch no slack on that. But I still feel that Richard Allen's not guilty of the Delphi murders. I hate to say that, but that's just my opinion.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's my opinion too.
Speaker 1:But yeah, what a coincidence. But can you just believe the just the audacity and the escalation of crimes that this boy had committed from 10 years old on? They said that his father was arrested over 70 times for assaulting his mother. I did read that in a newspaper article.
Speaker 4:Why wasn't he sitting in DOC back then for that many times? Come on, that's like seven-fold offender, not even habitual.
Speaker 1:Back then there was laws against locking juveniles up. I mean, it was all about rehabilitation.
Speaker 4:Oh, I meant his dad, his dad and his 70 times.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know why Because his mother would often drop charges on him. Plus, judy's dad was catching his mom fucking around a lot, so maybe she felt bad about getting caught fucking around and dropped the charges on him. It was just a revolving door with him, I guess they were. She was having sex with dudes in front of him and they were exposing him to porn at the you know the a young, super young, you know like five to ten years old. I guess he'd just seen it all. You know what. I was exposed to a lot of shit like that when I was a kid, but it didn't make me want to go act like a Boy Scout and chop some poor lady up with a hatchet. I mean, that's fucked up. This dude was born fucked up.
Speaker 4:And you know what? I know that a lot of kids have to grow up with very difficult childhoods. But let me tell you what I've seen. People grow up with some of the worst childhoods you can imagine and turn out to be one of the best people in the whole wide world. Well, thank you, baby.
Speaker 3:But yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I mean, when you watch the interviews of Steve and Judy in the press conference that they had about his execution, he didn't seem like he was like super smart. But he didn't seem like he was super stupid either. He may have sounded like a little bit slow or something.
Speaker 4:I bet you that was him and his manipulation tactics.
Speaker 1:You think so?
Speaker 4:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:But he did literally threaten each one of the jurors, telling them that he knew where they lived, and I just think the story is so awesome about the little church boy that recognized that truck. I mean, how amazing is that? I know we've already said that, but I like bringing that up again because that just blows my mind. If it hadn't been for him and I like to give him props I think we can go ahead and mention his name. He should be proud of what he did.
Speaker 4:Yes, his name is Eddie Williams and he used to look out the window of his eighth grade classroom at Mooresville Christian Academy and watch the new houses being built across the road.
Speaker 1:You know at the time, and I think up to this day, this is one of the worst crimes that Morgan County has ever been a witness to or seen or ever been committed in Morgan County. And thank God for mushroom hunters man, because they found her quick. Yeah, and this is about the time that we need to be going mushroom hunting right now. I hope we don't run into some shit like that here. If we do, we can save somebody. Good Lord.
Speaker 4:Wow, I wouldn't. I don't even want to think about you know, I've actually been down.
Speaker 1:I've actually been down at that spot a few times, me and my uncle Finley. Man he used and if you walk down White Lick Creek right there there's a bunch of deep holes man, my uncle Finn, we'd take little small crawdads and we'd catch the shit out of smallmouth bass down there.
Speaker 4:We loved it, didn't you say? It flooded real bad there, like one time, and then there was like mushrooms everywhere.
Speaker 1:Well, there's a Kroger's little strip mall right there If there's a light there right now, just north of the White Lake Creek bridge, and there's a field right there next to the Kroger's, in between 67 and the Kroger's right there, and one time it had flooded real bad, kind of like it has this year, and that whole field was full of mushrooms, I guess where the water had washed the spores all through there.
Speaker 1:That's cool I'll tell you another thing I thought was real crazy is most people that's on death row. I mean, I know this is weird to say, but they're kind of pussies. They're going to kill somebody but they're scared to death, to die. This dude was like fuck it, kill me, give me the death penalty. I'm ready to go because if you let me go, I'm going to fuck some other people up. And he was pissed at the ACLU for even trying to stick it.
Speaker 1:He said it's almost illegal, they don't work for me. I mean, I thought that was kind of fucked up.
Speaker 4:He wanted to ride the lightning he wanted to ride the lightning. Wow, he got his wish.
Speaker 1:He sure did, and I don't think there was very many people that attended his execution. I believe it was his adopted parents and his lawyer, and I think that was about it. There may have been some of that. I don't even think any of the victims' family I could be wrong about that, but I don't think they even attended it. There may have been some of the.
Speaker 4:I don't even think any of the victims as family I could be wrong about that, but I don't think they even attended it. Did you know there was a book wrote too about um Steven Judy called burn, judy burn.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And that book got banned. It got banned and you know what? I tried to buy it the other day on Amazon and get it put on my Kindle and they took my money for it, but they didn't upload my book on my Kindle. So I was kind of aggravated about that, really, mm-hmm, I don't know why, but I'm looking into it.
Speaker 1:If anybody has a copy of that book, man, I would definitely recommend reading it, because everything we've looked at we've basically told you and I've just always been intrigued with the case One because it was so brutal and so shocking for this time of society and your dad went to school with the dude and my dad went to Washington High School with him and we're going to do a little bit more investigating on his foster mother, because we've heard a little bit of weird shit here and there about maybe something that was going on between him and her.
Speaker 4:They were only seven years apart.
Speaker 1:Yeah, steve, and Judy and his adopted, his foster mother was only seven years apart, which I thought was really weird and also I think they were done wrong. They were told nothing about Judy's past when they fostered him. And another thing his stepbrothers. When they testified at his trial they said that they never saw any meanness whatsoever out of Judy, that he was a loving brother, they'd never done anything mean to him, that he was just as nice as he could be. He must have been like a freaking chameleon man.
Speaker 4:Oh, definitely.
Speaker 1:I mean to work at a construction company to have your whole family fooled and then go out at night and chop bitches up and rape women, and you know it's just insane.
Speaker 4:Dahmer 2.0. No, Dahmer was boys, wasn't he?
Speaker 1:The devil was definitely fooled with that boy for sure.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, pure evil. But Well, that wraps up the Steven Judy case, and I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1:It's been a few days since we've been in the studio. We had to take kind of a little break because all that other shit was kind of so overwhelming. But we really missed being in the studio and we really hope we got some good listeners, man, and some good fans now and we hope that you guys missed us as much as we miss talking to you guys. We love interacting with you guys on Facebook and we love all the feedback we get. And don't forget to buy some bad-ass shirts.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you can go find them shirts at shopscentajulescom. Or, if you want to pick them up local, go to the Centerton Gas Station on Indiana State Road 67 and Rob Hill Road. They have them in there. All kinds and all sizes. Well, they're black and red.
Speaker 1:They got some killer-ass food too. I eat lunch there sometimes and get fueled, Isn't it the Cuban food? Well, they got some good chicken, and I don't know what they do to their brown gravy, but it's fire-ass brown gravy, it's like addictive. I could drink it like drink a cup of their brown gravy Yuck. Well, until then, everybody look us up on Facebook and we got something cool coming for you next week. You got to tune in.
Speaker 4:We have a story next week that I could not believe. Now this story is going to be covering two individuals from Martinsville Shocker. It's a sad story, it really is, but it needs to be told.
Speaker 1:And, don't you worry, we are still digging deep in the Ron Lee case and it is coming. There's just so many different moving parts to this thing and so many different opinions. We want to filter out what's right, what's wrong, what we believe.
Speaker 4:We have people that we need to go interview. We have a few more interviews we have to do and we're going to be getting that Ron Lee case to everybody. We're really excited about doing that one.
Speaker 1:But check us out on Facebook, check us out on Twitter, check us out on.
Speaker 4:It's X now, honey.
Speaker 1:Damn it. Why do I keep saying that shit, I'm old school TikTok. Anyway.
Speaker 4:Instagram, facebook.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, all that shit, all that shit. But until then, we hope you have a good evening. We hope you enjoyed this episode. Have a good evening, have a good morning, have a good night, whatever. We'll see you next time.
