AI With Friends S2E13: GPT-5 Reality Check, Perplexity's $34.5B Chrome Bid, and GitHub's AI Leadership Shakeup 🤖

In this episode, we dive deep into the mixed reactions to OpenAI's highly anticipated GPT-5 release, questioning whether it lives up to the hype or represents a missed opportunity to dominate the AI coding space.

**Key Topics:**
• GPT-5 honest review: Router system confusion and the "eager puppy" problem
• Why OpenAI may have missed their chance to crush Claude in coding
• Perplexity's shocking $34.5 billion unsolicited bid for Google Chrome
• GitHub CEO Thomas Dohmke stepping down - what it means for Microsoft's AI strategy
• The "extra step" problem with GPT-5 and how it compares to Claude Code
• Microsoft's ambitious 2030 vision for "agentic Windows" - realistic or overhyped?
• Why community-based AI models could be the next big thing (Reddit, Twitter, Amazon)
• The shift from social media to interest media to community media

We explore the current state of AI coding tools, infrastructure battles, and whether the big tech companies are making the right strategic moves in the rapidly evolving AI landscape.

Transcript

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So, behind the scenes, have you guys been seeing any of the rumors, clips, stories of the new Spider-Man? I have. I have. I think a little bit too much, actually, to put on the show. They're trying to create some buzz at the Fantastic Four. Yeah. I told you. I told you, I called that. It wasn't going to be what it's cracked up to be. Yeah. I haven't seen Fantastic Four, and I honestly wasn't planning on seeing it. I was just going to wait. Yeah. Have both of you guys seen it? No. I saw it. I saw it. I went to a drive-in movie theater. Oh, that's great. Yeah, they have one up here in the... Was it in Concord? Like the North Bay here. It's really nice. But movie. Oh, I definitely enjoyed it. I definitely enjoyed it. But I think it was too close. It's too close to Superman. It was too close. Like, you know, you can imagine a family, you know, trying to figure out what they can do. Oh, did we just go see Superman last week? Oh, we're not going to go to the movie to go see another superhero movie. I can imagine that happening across the board everywhere. I feel like both of those are in the same category. I watched both, but I wasn't eager to go see either one. I was more excited to see Ironheart than both of those. Yeah. I was not excited to see Ironheart until you guys put me on, and that was the best show I've seen. That's probably my favorite Marvel show. That's up there with Loki. me yeah you know I think I can agree local was really I would hmm that's interesting yeah you might be on to something there I will say yeah ironheart loki and I really enjoyed uh falcon and um falcon and winter soldier oh okay I didn't see that yeah Yeah. Oh, you got to see that. That's really good. Okay. Yeah, it's on Disney Plus now. Yeah. Okay. There's a particular line in there where Bucky addresses the adornmentology. He tells them, you might want to go find another tree to bark up. Speaking of that, did you guys see the new Wakanda show? Oh, Eyes of Wakanda. Yes, I saw that. I didn't see it. I literally sat down to watch it. and I was eating, and I just couldn't focus. I was like, I'm going to watch it later. Yeah. I saw the first episode. I was impressed. There's definitely a character on there that I know is not him, but he clearly looks like LeBron James. I was like, is that LeBron? It was someone else, but he had the same facial hair and face shapes, though. But it was good. I found myself looking at Greek mythology and realizing that they kind of intertwine these characters based off of real characters. Like you look at a couple of the episodes and these are actually real characters that had a role in these stories. But they added the Wakanda futuristic vibe to it. That was dope. That was really dope. Yeah. I was watching Sasamani on TikTok breaking down how the entire storyline of Avatar is based off an African community. and they were showing the history and stuff of it. Basically, that whole storyline is based off of an African community from Avatar. Interesting. I heard Avatar was based off of Dances with Wolves, but Dances with Wolves is probably based off of that. I'll share it with y'all later. It was interesting. Yeah, I was just looking at that. Pocahontas and Dancing with Wolves. Yeah, she mentioned that. She mentioned Pocahontas was the same thing. Wow. That's so interesting. I'm excited for Spider-Man. I know they've confirmed that Scorpion will be their Punisher, will be their And now it's being rumored that Venom will be in there too as well. So I saw a picture of a black suit. Was that like someone who just made that up? Is that like some AI or Photoshop thing? But I could have swore I saw a picture of him in a black suit. No, I haven't seen that one. I've seen the clips, like the stunt devil swinging. That was pretty dope. Like those in real life clips. But yeah, so yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I mean, I feel like everything that I've seen so far is still not enough to get a full understanding of what the movie's going to be about. Although, I did just buy... comic book that basically talks through that storyline. Aunt May just died, and then Scorpion is the main villain. I'm going to get through it. Does he have the green suit? I wonder how they're going to do the suit. Oh, yeah. That suit was kind of crazy. Yeah, Matt Gargan, is that it? I think that is. He was at the end of No Way Home. Oh, yeah. No, not No Way Home. What's the other one? The one where he fought the vulture. Yeah. It was the guy at the end of the prison scene. He was supposed to be the scorpion. There we go. Oh, wait. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Nice plus the inhumans. That was a bust, by the way. We don't even talk about inhumans anymore. It was such a bust. Oh, man. They can't get that right. They can't get that right in the comics either. Yeah. That collector's store I told you about earlier? Yeah. They have a poster of the first appearance Black Panther from the first appearance of Black Panther. I can't remember. Is it Fantastic Four or Fifty-Two? I think it is. I think it was Fantastic Four. Yeah, I think it's Fifty-Two. So the first appearance of Black Panther and they have it signed And so I had to go ask, and I say, is it a sign? I'm like, hey, who signed it? Because I know that's a... I can't think of his name. Well, I'm going blank. The two main writers. Two main writers of... Jack Kirby. Yeah, Jack Kirby. Stanley? Yeah, Stanley. And so... So I'm like, I'm like, who was it signed by and everything? I'm like, that's not Jack or Stan or anything. And so the guy has to go look it up and stuff and figure out that it's gotten somebody named Joe, but he was like the person who designed the car. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So he signed it. So I was like, okay, that's pretty cool. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's the anchor. He's the anchor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he signed it, but it's a poster. There's a beast. He's one of my favorites. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I'm okay. I've got Black Panther originally had the cape. And some point they removed the cave. I thought the capers fly. I don't know. I feel like it was doing too much. yeah I would I would agree yeah come on yeah I would agree the bell buckle back was doing too much because it was also it was the cape and plus that that that kanye doctor strange collar thing yeah it was it had a little yeah Yeah, yeah. It's like all the starch in Wakanda to hold that up. No, it's vibranium. So you just like, you know. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? It just does its thing. Oh, man. Sherlock Holmes is very functional. Had a purpose. Had a purpose. That's funny. Yep. OK, one one question about the eyes of Wakanda show, because so I saw the first episode. I'm curious to know if is Black Panther going to be in this or are we getting like more of a. A side story or something like that, and when is the timeline? Is this that this is set in? You know, they go into that. It's all it's all like. like each each shows individual right? Oh, it takes place in the past. Everything is in the past. There is a call back to the future. Right? But there isn't like this isn't like a Black Panther like replacement type situation or anything. It's like modern day. It just goes like to the past and then it goes into the Oh, was there one? No, no, no. No, they're all from the past. And some of them take place, like, during the Roman Empire. Like, some of them even before that time. It's really interesting. But it's just, like, short stories. I think it was only six episodes, too. Okay. Yeah, because in the comics, Black Panther was around forever. Like, you know, he's been around, you know, he used to roll with Odin. Thor's dead in the first Avengers, you know, when they were fighting Galactus way back then. Son of Odin. Oh, was it the Panther guy you're talking about? Or was it actually actual Black Panther? Yeah, because it's a lineage. It's passed down. There is a character... There's a Marvel character that looks strikingly similar to Odin. And I cannot think of his name. But he was apparently, he was in, there was a group called Agents of Wakanda. And he was in that group. And I can't think of his name. It's in my Psycho Plea book in there. But yeah, there was a group called Agents of Wakanda. And it's a guy that looks just like Odin. Because when I saw it, I was like, is that Odin? Um, but you're nice. So it looks like, it looks like them. Okay. Hmm. I'm looking for the ages. Yeah, me too. Yeah. It's in my, uh, to my encyclopedia. Um, book in there. You got all the knowledge. Am I right? Yeah. And the power levels too apparently. There are power levels in there, right? Not power levels, but they do talk about their powers and stuff in there. Oh. I think at a encyclopedia a long time ago, they used to have power levels and different ratings based off of intelligence and all these different things. Agility. Agility. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Strength. Did you guys collect the Marvel cards, the Marvel trading cards? when they were in that run. Yeah. I have a binder, a laminated binder somewhere. I think it's still at my parents' house with all my comic cards in there. How disappointed are you guys with yourselves, with your siblings, with your cousins, of not keeping your Pokemon cards from way back in the day? I wasn't into Pokemon. Really? Yeah. I wasn't there, too. I missed it. I missed it, too. I was very excited. By the time that Pokemon came out, Dragon Ball did. I was all the way over there. It was flip for me. It was flip for me. I remember, and it's funny because a lot of people don't even know this, Pokemon aired... Um, I can't remember the original year air, but then they took it offline. Yep. And so like they ran like the first three episodes and they took it offline and I was like, Oh, what happened? And everything. Cause I was like really into it. And then they like, probably a year later, they re aired it and everything. And then, you know, it took off. And so I was fully into it. Carts, battles, everything, you know, the training, everything. Yeah. Pokemon blue, purple, Pokemon purple, silver, all the different colors. Yeah, I was really into it. And arguing with my classmate and everything. Like, don't try to convince me that Charizard can beat Pikachu. He chooses not to evolve. He chooses not to. It's not that he can't evolve. He don't need to. Full-blown arguments. But yeah, it's funny just looking at a lot of these cards and knowing the value of of those I'm looking at you like I had that I had that I had that and this is like it's like oh man man if you only knew right all right yeah definitely miss I missed that I was definitely transformers then dragon ball definitely a lot of dragon ball I remember uh hanging out with my my friends in their front yard pretending to be dragon ball characters fighting each other that's that's how deep it was yeah it was yeah I was there when I was there doing your uh what was it you're coming from the trunk sword trunks out of a stick or something have that back there Yeah, we had bamboo in the woods behind us where we grew up, so that's all of our weapons. We used to be back there crafting like it was Minecraft. Just for the superhero game. Now, there's a generation now that Minecraft, I think, is that. Now, there's a generation now that Minecraft is their Pokemon, and now there's the Roblox. generation that is like current right that's like the the most interesting thing is roblox yeah there's definitely they're definitely into it deeply except from there uh I found this guy I can't I can't find his name but uh he has like antlers but it looks like the crown of Odin. His antlers, the crown of Odin. It looks like the crown of Odin. I can't. All right. I'm going to share my screen. Then we're going to get started. All right. Yeah, I got to see this one. All right, this guy. Oh, yeah. See, that's the original. Oh, wait. Is that the old Avengers? So this is the Agents of Wakanda. And I said he looks like Odin. I thought it was Odin. Yeah, he does. He has a patch and everything. Yeah. The beard. I'm trying to find his name. Wasp. Marvel has a Gorilla Man. Yeah. Although, Gorilla Zod. Yeah. Alright, cool. Let's get started. Hold up. The Gorilla. There's a Hitman show on Hulu. Is it Hitmonkey? I think it's Hitmonkey. And it's a Marvel character. Is that the same one? I don't think Hitmonkey is Marvel. That's a Mark Millar... Hitmonkey. Wait, wait. We've got to solve this. Hitmonkey is Marvel. No, it's Marvel. Oh, it is Marvel. Yes, it is. Hitmonkey. I thought that was off of Kick-Ass. He spun off of Kick-Ass or something. It might be a different monkey, but... Hitmonkey. Oh, no, definitely not. It's not even in the Wikipedia. Yeah, that's a dope show. Don't make me go get the encyclopedia. We can get to the bottom of this real quick. Definitely the one that was worth a watch. If you haven't seen it yet, you want to laugh, Hitmonkey. It's definitely good. Yep. Yep, and that's not Mark Millar either. That's Daniel Wei. Wow. Yeah. It was a good one. I enjoyed it. I definitely had some of the comics, too, of Hit Monkey. That's why I could have swore it was a spinoff. I take responsibility for bringing up the subject. All right, guys. You ready? Let's do it. All right, good. welcome back guys for another episode of ai with france I am one of france marlon avery um I am the ceo of a company called ai impact where we do teaching of artificial intelligence interventions and organizations and governments and also to run a company called voice property bill ai voice solutions for suvs uh adrian uh introduce yourself my friend hey everyone adrian green head of technology at distro nation where we specialize in getting the music of independent artists on streaming platforms and proper metadata management and monetization. Excited to be here. Right on. Of course, I'm Suku, cloud engineer extraordinaire, award-winning cloud engineer. Always got to add these little extras and sit here. Been around for twenty-three years now, just hit the mark. two weeks ago. So yeah. You and LeBron are in the same year. Wow. That's not a bad one. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, let's get the show started. Let's do it. All right, man. Well, kicking off, as you guys know, expect that OpenAI has launched their long awaited GPT-Five model. GPT-Five now is available to everyone, free plus pro, team, enterprise, and education. They claim that it is the most powerful you know, model, you know, that they've ever, uh, the strongest coding model was popularly put out and everything. And so they've seen, uh, they've claimed to see, um, amazing performance or anything from ever to reasoning to coding, um, and several different things. Uh, and stuff there, but also too, uh, there's a lot of users, including myself that have seen some, um, let's call it opportunities and stuff with GBT five up here. So. Uhm, after you see also to their business backlash on Twitter, opening I restore GPT for Omni as an opposite option to touch empty plus and raise GPT-Five limits for users also still remain with GPT-Five caps. Some may publicly acknowledge that user attachments to older models and say limits for plus would increase doing rollouts. He also teased that it's been a very, very limited GPT-Five pro pro access for plus two as well. Um, so I, I, let me kick us off with this one. Um, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna start off and say, this could be a user error. You know, this could be a user error. Uh, maybe I. I felt and saw and experienced a difference from GBT three to GBT three, GBT three point five to GBT four. Like I, I saw and felt that jump. Like I was like, okay, this is amazing. You know? And so, so I'm, I'm gonna say make it could be a user error because maybe I was expecting set similar junk. Um, and it made that, that could have been unfair to have that expectation. Um, In the latest months, I've found that I've gotten very good at and very comfortable in understanding that when a model says that this model is for everyday tasks, this model is for advanced reasoning, this model is for research or whatever. They really mean that because I have seen Four, oh, struggle to do basic things. Maybe when I've left the model on, because I just used it the previous, you know, query. And I'm like, why are you struggling? Why can't it, why am I getting the results I'm looking for? And I look at it like, oh, okay, you know, you know, you know, this is all. Okay, so five feels like that. Phi feels like it's struggling to do basic things and it's, it feels like they actually said it during the presentation. And he said one key thing, which was taking the extra step. It looks to take the extra step. Yes. I always don't, I don't want the extra steps sometimes. Sometimes the extra step is in doing too much and increasing too much work and stuff like that. And it's particularly when I just want something basic, something real quick or something big. And I feel like GPT-Five is consistently trying to take the extra step, and I don't want that. So they also, one of the biggest changes with GPT-Five is the router, meaning based off your prompt, your query, it will understand or try to directly that, oh, okay, based off this, I can use, you know, four, four, oh, five, you know, like what it may be to do so. My experience that hasn't worked well, not only on the user side of things, but also too on the API side of things as well. And so, you know, as soon as it got announced, I jumped into Cursor and I, you know, started doing some coding tasks, you know what I mean? For me, the first day was pretty good. After that, I was like, oh, welcome back. Welcome back. I immediately switched back off from there. And then also to a buddy of mine, Ron, he told me to switch to, what was it? It was GPT-Five High, I believe. Um, and so on cursor, he said that he's gotten a lot of good experience with GPT five high, uh, which you also do in, in, in cursor. I use cursor. You have to go manually. You have to go add, you have to go click the toggle on for GPT five high. It is not, um, automatic or something there. GPT five is, but GPT five high, you have to go add and we have to click on the toggle. so he said he got a lot of good experience and stuff on there so I did see better you know results from gmt five high but also too um yeah I it was underwhelming I would say for my whole experience everything obviously I'm not going anywhere I'm still going to use it I'm still a fan you know of the majority and stuff in there but you know it was very underwhelming and I think the last thing and I'll pass it on is in my mind, I'm going to circle this moment when it comes to, because also, too, we're still very early when it comes to the ultimate race of artificial intelligence. But I'm going to circle this moment, because we still don't know who's going to win this whole thing. And I'm starting to think also, too, there probably will be no certain as when. Just like nobody won the internet, you're going to have different people who's going to control certain segments and stuff of the ecosystem. But I am going to circle this day because I really feel like OpenAI had the opportunity in GPT-V to completely destroy Clockhawk. And I feel like they missed that opportunity. I was getting ready to be completely done with it. I went to Gemini, using Gemini CLI, and I was like, okay, well... Sometimes. And then I was doing GPT-Five, and now it's like I went there, and I found myself coming back to Cloud Code. And so now I am in between Cloud Code and Cursor between those two agents, along with settings to MCPs and things like that. So I'm going to circle to this day in my head because I feel like they really had the opportunity to really destroy I'm cloud code, not in front of it as a whole, but clock both particularly. Um, and I think they missed that mark and I wonder, will they regret this? Um, moving forward, uh, particularly too, since it looks like, uh, things like other competitors with, uh, Microsoft looks like they may be kind of taking a step back with some news that we'll talk about later in their, in their, in, in the area too, as well. Um, yeah. Yeah. Oh man. Um, so interesting. Interesting. You, you are setting high, setting it to high and I'm setting it to low, low thinking to get it to like, maybe, maybe it depends on if you're, if you're planning, planning high, maybe probably definitely, maybe that makes more sense. Maybe I've tried that, but I've definitely, to try to get it to not be so eager. That's like my biggest challenge. It's so eager to write you code that like, I will actually do something simple. Yeah, it just, yeah, it just goes crazy. Yeah. It's like a, like a, like a puppy. I can do it. Yeah. Way too excited. But you know, one of the things I wanted to kind of point out, one of the differences that, I think that I was tripping over until I'm still tripping over. I have actually not felt like, I don't feel like I've actually mastered GPT five yet, but I think this knowledge helps me is to know that in GPT five, it's supposed to be like a unified model. That's the way you describe it. And now they just, they just recently released the model card for a GPT five, which essentially says that there is definitely a router in place. Um, a real-time router and the real-time router will route you to different sub models. It's a mixture of models, not experts, by the way, that's like one key advancement. I think that's part of this, but it will route you to the correct, well, to a model based off of the type of conversation, the complexity, the tool needs and the explicit intent. For example, if you say to have to think harder about your prompt, it will send you to a thinking model. If you tell it to think harder about the prompt and it's like something that is, you know, simple, then it'll send you to the thinking mini model from there, which is things that, you know, I think for me, that's why I'm getting such mixed results. It's because one, there's now, this abstraction layer that isn't well described that now that I have to realize that I'm, I need to work with that. And all the things that I've written, all the GPTs that I've created are not set up with that in mind. So now I have to kind of go through, well, GPTs don't work. You can't create GPTs. That is broken right now. I'm sure anyone knows that. It's clearly broken. I was trying to create one the other day. I was like, create a GPT that does this look over the screen is just just blank. I like what you asked me. I want to tag in real quick or something. You said you said like with the router part, which I found they they what's the word they kind of not jeopardize themselves, but they they They kind of miscommunicate it because the router is supposed to understand which tools to use, which model to use, things like that. but also being kind of taking a step back and saying that, Hey, now we use keywords like think, you know, do deep research on everything. It's say, I feel like that's also another step back because it's like, it's almost like you, you're basically going back to prompting again, you know, where the whole thing was like, you're gonna have to do less prompting. Um, and now it's like, Hey, actually he's looking for keywords so it can understand how to do, you know? Right. And I feel like now it's starting to kind of like get jumbled and it's not like a clear understanding of how to use set models. You know, it actually, as, as you're saying that it is kind of reminding me of like, they're trying to create like a domain specific language. for dealing with their models, right? If you have to say, think harder, you have to say these different things, like these are keywords, right? That you have to like input in order to get the feature. But before I would select the model and I would get it, one hundred percent through there. Also, one thing I didn't realize is that it's not just when you make the request, but in the middle of your request, when it's reasoning, it can also divert to another model. So it definitely has a different paradigm for interacting with it. So that, I think, is kind of huge. And that's why I think folks are like, you know what? This is great, but this is Monday. I did not plan on doing this, having to rewrite all my agents. Can you please give me GBT-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C Um, the them consolidating all the models, I think is a good approach because there's so many. And I, as an end user, I can see how that can get confusing after a while, which model to pick to do what, but their approach is just like this universal remote. Like it does, you know, we'll just, it does everything. Okay. What they should have done was really. Consider what the other what things products like cloud code do, which is include an instruction file where you know the first time that you started up there should be an onboarding OK. you have the option to pick models to do certain types of tasks. And that would prevent the extra work of having to do it in line. Because you're right when you say it's prompting. You basically have to prompt it more in order to get the results. So that's one point. My experience has been good so far, but I will say it does its own thing and I I compare it to you know when I'm working with a model like anthropic it's you know it's providing insight and it's assisting it has more of an assistant role where with gpt-five what I felt was like I was working with um nick burns remember that guy remember that guy jimmy fallon played on snl uh who was the computer guy who would be like move The IT guy, he'd be there. He's basically working help desk. That's what it felt like. I don't know, a little bit smug in the, let me just take care of all of this other stuff that you didn't ask for for you. I was working with a WAV file encoder. I was like, okay, well, this is a good task to give to GPT-Five. Let's see what it does. So I have a front end WAV file encoder that I work with on, you know, works in the browser and it can do a bunch of stuff. It's like, you know, it's not FFM based, but you can manipulate WAV files with it. So let's see what it can do. And it did. It had great output. It really did. It put it together and wrote the documentation and, you know, But it was also like, oh, well, you probably need to consider these build tasks. Oh, and I noticed looking at this file that, you know, you probably need to be more verbose in your commenting here and here. Let me just go ahead and do that. And I mean, it was just off to the races. So I mean, I think that the people that are testing GPT five encoding have had the best results. You know, so far, and that's something that Sam Altman said too, on the, he didn't interview. I was just watching, um, it was, uh, a woman interviewing him and I think it was like an hour and a half or something, but that's what he said that he typically, that's what he was most impressed by was the improvement in coding. And I was too, because what I found that it was right in line with Anthropix results, um, but it was just giving you more. It was giving you a lot more than what you asked for. Extra files and working. Yeah, I haven't had Anthropic do it to this, to that degree. So when working with, I've been working with OpenCode. So it's an open source cloud code terminal application where it allows you to pick the models. Where flawed code you can only use the anthropic models. So I've been working with that when I'm in plan mode. In the in open code. GPT-Five is like plan mode. Slam mode. I'm going to do my thing. It will override it and write files. where if I pick the anthropic model, it's like, okay, I noticed you're in plan mode. Let's talk here. Where, again, GPT-Five is move, get out the way. I got it. Yes, that's wild. You tell the plan, it's like, I'm gonna make these files. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna make these files. I'm gonna run these bash commands. I'm just gonna go all out. That was different. Back to the router part of it and your experience, Marlon, with Ron telling you about you know switching to high gpt five high you would think that the router could do that intelligently and that just you know what I mean if it's a different model for you to pick wouldn't that be in this options of models that it would choose from you know but then again you know that's why I say we need the instruction file we need some kind of rails to put this on because yeah you know prompting and doing all of that um especially every time like that's not that's not that's not really sustainable yeah a good so I I'll tell you guys you know if I listen to I have a little trick of what I do to get a good get a good understanding of how far the models have jumped and the capabilities and stuff they do. I have a trick that I've been doing for the past, since GBC three, essentially. Yeah, yeah. So I have a trick that I do. I go to OpenAI's GitHub, and OpenAI, they have examples, they have, yeah, they have examples, they have, A few different things that you can either kind of go through and stuff that you can see, like the demos, this stuff they built, they put out on GitHub. A little trick that I do to get a good understanding of how much have things have jumped is like even right now in their open at GitHub, they have GPT-Five coding examples. And if you just read through the names, cause like these just, these are just like names and examples that they built and worked out. If you just read through the names of those and see what they're building and the different examples they show, it's just not a jump there and everything. So for example, I'll just read some, um, podcast homepage, a tic-tac-toe game, trivia quiz game. company acronym lists, uh, an, um, asteroid game and audio state step sequencer, uh, event feedback. And so these are some of the prompts that it gave to go bill things with GPT five. That's just not a large job. Like I don't, from my experience, I don't see that one thing I couldn't, I could not have done with four point five. Yeah. Now, I might have had to be very specific or give it a few more examples or what it would be. Yeah, for sure. Again, going back to this could be a user error, but there's not one thing I don't hear that I can know of. Now, real quick. Now, I saw that jump from three to three point five to four. I was like, oh, my God. I was like, this is great. I could have done this. I could have done this. That would have been impossible, things like that. But here, this is also why I say it's underwhelming. But it could have been me. It could have been my fault. I had that expectation. Yeah. I think that's the challenge right now. It's like, what feature set did this unlock? What ability did this unlock? Why should I care? At the end of the day, why should I care that this has happened? that this has been being created. And I think right now I'm still, I'm still struggling. Like it does feel different, but I have not crossed a place where I said, oh, I'm glad they did this. I haven't, that has not happened yet. Because I still find myself going back to Claude Code or Claude, well, Claude Code and Anthropic. The thing is actually forcing me to actually think about this a little bit more is that the pricing structure on GPT is so much better that I kind of want to figure out how to make this work financially motivated because Claude man, they are, it's, it's rough. It's rough right now. Uh, when it comes to using their product, um, and opportunity to crush them. Yeah. And, uh, they've made GBT five, not, not all this stuff is true. Like affordable. We look at it down the line, but it's, it is way better than Claude. I have to be very careful how I use Opus. Like, you know, and, and the weird things that are happening with the limits. I think that was also a little bit of a challenge, but I think there might be something to it. I think once I get an understanding of this, you know, this router, and how to actually navigate that. It does sound like they are still, like, the router is learning still. But at least the way I read the model card, it's like the router is going to continue to get better to send things to the right place. But man, that stinks for anyone who's built a whole business around this that's now a guinea pig in some way. Yeah. I've learned this. I'm not sure if you do this too as well. If I was using GPT-IV, the free model, and I decided to go to the GPT-V on the paid subscription, I feel like I would have felt a big jump. The comparison is I'm not sure if you've experienced this lately too with your Tesla. Lately, I've been realizing the drastic difference in autopilot and FSD, full self-driving, just in basic driving components. Autopilot is the free version that everybody gets when you get a Tesla. You know, so like I've been realizing because sometimes I use autopilot if I just want to be completely hands off like on the highway. I don't want to pay just to the road type of thing, you know, in like that. And I realize just like just breaking easily when a car in front of you, autopilot doesn't do a good job. But sometimes it comes with like a hard stop and everything. where FSD does a way better job of just slowly do like the two car lift, you know, things like that. And so, but it's like that free version versus that paid version is the difference of realizing not only with these models, but also like even like in the car, like, you know, like Tesla. Interesting, interesting. Oddly enough, I know we, I'm not sure if we talked about Grok in the car. Yeah, we did. I got to say, I was pessimist at first, but now I use it all the time. They got me. What's the use, guys? Yeah, I want to hear that. I've used it once to try it out, but I haven't got into it yet. I use it for I'm working out a thought on something. I'll just turn it on, not on... Well, I did the argument of once. I won't do that again. Like I said... Why is that an option? I don't know. It just raises your stress level. Like, why is this here? But I can, you know, work out something, have it look up things, and then it does save my chat in the Grok app on my phone so I can go through and say, oh, yeah, I said these things. Okay, let me, you know, clean it up or do something with it. But no, it's been useful. It's one of those things like for a certain thing, you don't need the most intelligent system to do it. Yeah. That's why that was for a car, that is more than good enough. But when it comes to open AI, I had to say, well, I'm doing serious work. I need something that's a little more I know that these systems are not deterministic. There's not a finite beginning and end to them. They can go up and down as far as the responses and what you get back. You have to tune. But I got good enough in four point one, four point five, and the different variations where I can get from A to B pretty well. And now I can kind of get to A to B sometimes, depending on how I'm wording things. Um, but yeah, it's, it's, it's strange. Yup. The other ones weren't perfect. I'm not gonna say that they're like amazing. We're not perfect, but right now I'm still struggling to get like good success. At least when I'm trying to either work on. instructions that I've already given because I have like folders filled with instructions um and some of them just they just behave very strange um now the coding side of the house I do use it for been using for coding it's been okay just the if I haven't set the high it's so eager to fill up my my page with with code that like I there's no way I can like I I can't work with the AI if it is just spewing so much code that I cannot actually read. I felt the same way. I felt the same way. It's very fast. It's very fast. So as it was just spewing code, usually when I'm working with Anthropic, it's more of a trickle of code coming out. So I can follow along, jump in there, make some edits. you know, it had generated three files before I was done reading. Okay. All right. Cause yeah. I have a bold statement. Yeah. So one of the things I've been saying for quite some time now that we're, we're never going to live in a world where it's going to be one AI for everything. It's just not going to happen. um and I'm starting to believe that nor should it happen um and so I I feel like the first indicator that I'm like okay maybe starting to figure this out anything I feel like google and grok is probably the first indicator where they're starting to understand that they're not going to win the entire race they can dominate their area you know so obviously google who has google users gmail suite I think like dominate that and you can be very very successful and stuff in there uh grok has done a great job on their integration with x um And I've seen people, like I've seen, it was a restaurant that went viral on Twitter. And I see somebody at Grok and said, hey, where is this at? And it gave them the address and everything right there in the immediate response. I'm like, that's awesome. One of the things I've been realizing lately that That models this that's they're still not good at I thought perplexity might have a leg up and something that's really dope. Is. Typically, when. You are trying to. Okay, when you just, something basic as like, hey, what's the best air filtering system? You know, best humidifier? What's the best cigar for this type of thing? Like what it may be, right? I'm realizing that no modders are good at capturing the everyday experience of a human being with said product. with set theme, well, with set product, with set, you know, category, so to speak. Here's the bold statement. If I'm this company, I am releasing a model simply based off of this, and they could be preparing to do so, and they would dominate Reddit. Hmm. Reddit could release a model that is capturing the experience. This is what people do. People talk about, hey, guys, what's the best phone case for this? Oh, I tried this. Here's my link for this. Why would you recommend that? And then you can also, too, capture the upvoting in different comments and everything to rank the community's agreement with set topics. Reddit could dominate, could dominate and stuff in that area. And I think where I can see that Reddit can release their own AI model. And then the closest thing to that would be, um, would be grok because they can do the same thing, which is from Twitter. Um, and then the next closest thing to that would be, um, Amazon, uh, because they could do the same thing from their reviews. So does it mean. It kind of goes back to the, I guess this idea is that your data is your organization, right? Is your model. That is still the most important thing. Your source of truth is. So if you have your ex and you have the corpus of all the conversations that all your users have had, Like, that is, you don't want anyone else to scrape that. You want to build your own models and, you know, maintain your competitive advantage. I think the challenge is, like, for, it's almost for AI to truly become really useful, it needs to be wherever the people are. Right? Because that's how we want to see the world. Because we have access to go and check in. and do different things, right? I think the agent, the agents right now are trying to do that. At least the browser agents. I think that's where folks want to go. Speaking of that, yeah, that's pretty interesting. That makes a lot of sense, right? Yeah. And also to Marlon's point, I don't Google anything that I'm researching, but I'm putting Reddit behind it. I always put Reddit. Like, smartphone Reddit, you know, because anything else is going to be... It's a trusted community. Like, it's not even... It's not even... It's a trusted community, and it's not even... I don't even look at Reddit as a source. It's a trusted community, which is also, too, what... You know what? I'm going to say this now while it's recording and everything so I can reference this back in four years. Um... And I get the pleasure to say I knew it, I told you. We've talked about how social media has transitioned to interest media. And I've been saying this for the last couple of years is that the next wave, the next thing that's coming is social media, interest media. And I'm not sure if this would be the right name for it, but the next thing is becoming, it's going to be circled around community. Um, and you call it community media, um, and stuff where it may be. And we're, we're, we're starting to see this, we're starting to see this starting to start to spill up and everything. When Airbnb made that big, opening about how the platform is changing. Cause they're adding experiences. Um, and something else like experiences, something else and everything. And I say that I was like, man, there's they're, they're smart. That's really good because that's a front. That's a front. Airbnb's component to announce experience is a front. It's a data front because only thing that is, is that's going to get data. Everything that is going to get your likes, your interests, what do you like to do? What time of day you like to do it? Who do you like to do it with? How did you add to the group or anything? That's a front, all that's a front, everything and stuff and everything that, and after that, what they're, I can guarantee you, maybe what's going to happen is, is just like you subscribe to your favorite, uh, YouTuber, you will subscribe to communities because by then they will have the data. They would have the data and everything. And so you would have common book communities. You would have engineering communities. You would have all of these different aspects of communities in there to find your likeness of the people that you resonate in with these different . It would be just like subscribing to your favorite TV shows, your favorite streaming services. And it will shift to an in-real-life thing where you will have to have a subscription to come to that event or to come to that group or to come to that function and everything. You will have to have a subscription, improving self-learning, and that will be the next thing. You can also look at this too as well if you just kind of pay attention to what TikTok is doing based off the algorithm. That is grouping. That's interest. That is groupiness, interest, and everything. And then boom, next thing you know, it's like, OK, cool. Since you like this, that's what lemon is, too, as well. It's community. And so we're going from social media to interest media to community media, whatever you want to call it. And that's where things are headed. And then when you can put a baseline of, all right, I'm getting ahead of myself now. I'm also getting annoyed because I proposed a talk of basically how the combination of graph networks and LLMs will change in real life communities. I proposed that talk two years ago, two and a half years ago. And it was like, yeah, that's too much. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? It was too much. Yeah, we don't understand it. I'm like, that's my job to break it down how it's going to work. Like, yeah, no, no, no. Can you just talk about prompting? Okay, I'm done. It's just like, I'm like, guys, if I give you this information, you can put yourself in the forefront of advance of how we're about to live or what's about to happen. everything and I proposed that talk like three years ago two years ago whatever it may be and so and but when you're starting to do this and this is what Airbnb understands that's what they're doing this is what they experience that's a front that's a data front everything um you can also too best believe that um maybe sooner than later maybe they figured out meta also too would be a part of that as well because meta also too have they they have the most amount of data I would argue they probably have more data around probably more than Reddit when it comes to grouping and communities For sure. Oh, yeah. Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, and stuff, things like that. And so the next form of what's happening is definitely the community aspect. And then when you can put a model like Reddit that not only can get you those answers faster, but also to show you where your, probably your recommendation community may be and everything and subscribe to these things. That's where we're headed. Yeah, I could see that, but I could also see Reddit just really aligning itself with one of the big, um, AI companies and, you know, be it like perplexity or, you know, open AI or anthropic and, and just saying, mm-hmm, there you go. I'll say this if, if I'm, I mean, it's Reddit decision too, but if I'm this other company, I'm looking to buy Reddit from Amazon. I'm looking to buy Reddit. The ability to integrate product experience with community experience and community knowledge and holy fucking shit. And you already have Twitch, which is a community. They're building communities over there. That's the first indicator of subscribing to a community. From Amazon, I'm looking to buy Reddit. They have the money to do so, which would be a shit ton, but they can pull it off. We may talk about this soon, but either Amazon or perplexity, clearly. Wait, my Reddit? They got a, I mean, honestly, they got all the money. They got all the money. We can talk about it later. We can talk about it later, brilliant. Let's get into that now. No, no, Sekou had a point. Their money laundry. Close us out on that. So I was thinking that with, I don't know, community makes sense. I feel like we've already done the community pay-for-thing. Wasn't that what Meetup was that? But minus the AI and Meetup died. I think it's there, but it's not there because I get messages every now and then that there's no one who is in this particular community that you're in or group that you're in that you are now the owner of it. Like, what? Why do you want to wonder how I'm the owner of this meetup group? You're Wolfmas standing in the room. Standing in the empty room. But yeah, I think it's interesting. I think you did touch on a couple things there. The Airbnb, I know they are trying to become like, they're investing in AI tremendously. I don't understand how it works yet because I haven't done an Airbnb in a bit. To see like what their actual AI integrations are. I know that they're trying to do this service thing. I just see that because they have like a... Yeah, that's not the thing yet. The services, which is like... I feel like is this group hot again what's what's happening here you know anyway everything old is new but it's like remixed add some ai in it right yeah so yeah bring a little ai Yeah, we never lived in a society or a technical system where community is the main thing. It's like it's always been social media and then this community thing is on the side. You know, it's been difficult as that. But what I'm saying is community will become the next social media. It's bubbled up and we've had I think we've had moments where community really was the thing. But then, like, say Instagram, I think of that before really the influencer in that gap when Instagram, you know, kind of became a global phenomenon. And between that and the onset of the influencer, I think you maybe had some real community there for a little bit uh but then really the the platform gets taken over by you know yeah and then the algorithm starts to pick okay well this just got so many more likes and you know yeah that's still that's still social media with segments of community you know what I'm saying yeah yeah yeah what are you talking about community good I'm gonna say the first community I think of oh the the The last good community-based system that I was part of was Tumblr. Tumblr felt like... Tumblr was amazing. For like six months. No. Tumblr had years. Come on. They were around for years, but their prime lasted like six months. I'm going to say six or seven months. yeah they kept out and if they ever tell you and month and month five in two weeks is when yahoo crazy behind both them everybody was like yeah we're good know what I'm going to go even more obscure and I'm going to say google circles what was the name of that um for a little while that was good they theirs was so if tumblers was it circles I don't know yeah I think it was circles google social media it had to be like seventeen days Because, like, it was, like, they got called out real quick because they got called out for, like, making fake users and, you know, all that stuff like that. And so, geez. That was Google Plus. That was the other part. It was Google Plus and Google Circles, somewhere around there. It was, like, some transition. But it's, like, it was so funny because... I think they must have had Google Plus ingrained so deep into the system they bet so hard on it. It took years for them to like it. to, like, peel Google Plus off of their system? Oh, my God. It was so bad. It was so bad. I mean, I think I was on Google Plus, and it was, like, before I was on Stack Overflow. I was on Google Plus. And their development communities, their development circle or whatnot, you know, people would post a lot. There was a lot of content there. It was so bad. For a couple months. It lasted about seventeen days. It was so bad. Like, I had more belief in T-Mobile Fab Five than Google Plus. Oh, T-Mobile Fab Five, though. Is that what I think it is? Hold up. T-Mobile Fab Five. Yeah. You remember that? Do you ever have a BlackBerry? I refused. I did. Oh, man. That's a whole lifestyle. I missed my BlackBerry. Are you serious? BlackBerry was awesome. No, for the president. For the custom keyboard that you've never seen. That was awesome for the president. Oh, man. I could let me tell you yeah I'm gonna go off on a tangent here man let me tell you I missed the blackberry I miss it so much because the blackberry was as soon as you got used to that keyboard I could multitask I could be texting and and uh reading something else but the keyboard was tactile and so it was just responsive and you can just I mean you would just go I would I handled my inbox way better when I had my blackberry than I do now yeah yeah I'm box zero so I'm gonna say I'm gonna tell you why I never went um oh wait here is this it this may be it I'm gonna tell you why I never went to the um yeah this is it I'm so excited to see you um let's see why I never went to blackberry I'm going to give you a couple. I can't remember exactly which one was first, but I think this one was first. The L-G-N-V. I think that was first. It's L-G-E-N-V. Oh, yeah. I think that was first. Hold on, hold on, hold on. No, no, no, no. I still love these. Before this was a sidekick. Yeah, before that was a sidekick. The LG Envy and then you ready for this one? This was the killer. This was the killer. No, no, no, no. Even more HTC Evo. Oh, HTC Evo. So that was like my personal phone. I had that. Yes, I had that. HTC Evo. Yeah. Yeah, that was the one. It had the kickstand, you know, you can get the little keyboard and stuff with it. And I was like... Why would I ever go to Blackberry? This takes me back because the keyboard slid out. It was great. I can hear the slide sound in my head right now. In the Blackberry world, there were people who had a Blackberry. If you worked at a company and they gave you a Blackberry, you had the Blackberry Enterprise, which you had very different things you can do with BlackBerry Enterprise. You can, what was it? You can have, I think you always can have group conversations. That's like where the actual group chat really got live because BlackBerry had its own proprietary group chat, which you can only chat with other BlackBerry folks. Yeah. And you had to have the server as you set up. yeah yeah yeah I used to sell it I used to sell the blackberry servers I used to do that okay then you notice this all that stuff was plain text all of those conversations were viewable in plain text and uh yeah yeah yeah yeah it's called uh yeah government employees is what it's called That's when I had one. Yeah, the person who managed the BlackBerry server knew all the corporate secrets, all of them. KENT PAVELKA. Knew all the dirt. KENT PAVELKA. KENT PAVELKA. KENT PAVELKA. KENT PAVELKA. KENT PAVELKA. KENT PAVELKA. I've heard some great stories. Speaking of corporate secrets, Perplexity has submitted a thirty four point five billion offer to acquire Google Chrome, positioned as its antitrust remedy after a federal ruling found Google maintain an illegal search monopoly. The company claims that financial supports and pledges to keep Chromium open. Chrome open. Coverages elsewhere reiterates that the number of notes timing alongside Judge Emmett's process and said that they're looking to acquire Google Chrome for thirty point four point five billion distribution of power, if you will. Adrian. Let's start with you, my friend. What's your thoughts and stuff here with perplexity? First of all, with perplexity, who knew they had that type of money? That's the first one. I'm not there. If I'm the New York Times right now, perplexity is that friend that owes you money, and then they show up with new shoes. You know? They show up with new shoes. Don't you owe me money? Don't you owe me? You know what I mean? They're in the mood. Yeah. yeah look at my watch you know that's funny I um I feel like it's ironic really ironic because they're in the middle of the lawsuit with the new york times and they're just like okay thirty two billion we're willing to put over thirty four billion four billion thirty four thirty four point five point five yeah let's get it right I don't know. That's an extra measure, I guess. But I'm going to say that they just released the Comet browser. Has anyone tried that? I don't have access. I've been asking for access to Comet. Yeah, and I logged in. Did I do? Did I get it? I logged in today, and I had to re-sign up on the waitlist because it didn't look like... I was fully expecting it to say, you're already on the waitlist because... know we just it just lets you keep doing it that's all oh okay you can always upgrade to max and you know give them two hundred dollars not a ransom I'm sure yeah again you know that's just going back to the gpt five conversation like it's something we gotta lower the prices on this a little bit because oh I do have it drop it though you have access to it yeah comment yeah yeah I do oh yeah let me see if I have that let's see I can't say it publicly, but a couple people here do have enterprise. I think it's ironic. I don't really know why they would step up like this. This seems like, almost from a PR standpoint, kind of an odd move. to say you're going to be throwing money at for the bid for Google Chrome in light of what's going on. But I have yet to use an AI-powered browser yet. So I'm interested to see, because I really think that really this would be for the user base. right, of Chrome, that would be why a company like Perplexity would want it, just for the user base. I mean, they probably made, this is just me speculating, but a lot of new browsers are based on Chromium. So they're just like a fork of that. So I find it odd. That's all I gotta say. Yeah. I think the only difference between Chromium and the regular chrome is the integration into the google ecosystem why that's that's where things are kind of separated um yeah I don't know like there's there's so many holes in this right one it looks like they bid three times the cost of the actual, like how much, how much Chrome is supposed to go for. So three times over, right. Now the side is like, once again, where do they get the money from? Where do we get? Where's that magically coming from? Um, and I think the other part of this is, you know, Having a browser integration with having a browser integration with perplexity. Well, they're building comment and they're going to already have that. Like, what do they stand to gain? So there's a lot of, a lot of different things. Now I know that there's a lot of like, like add. related things that are actually like ingrained to Chrome. Like there's telemetry, there's information being sent back wherever you're using Chrome in some way. All right. Think about that. That's a good point. Yeah. So I'm sure there's some proprietary stuff around how that's integrated, but would you get that even if you bought Chrome? Does Chrome's IP include that? I don't know. Like Google Ads. Interesting. That's it. Isn't that still like their main revenue component? That's it. But you wouldn't, I mean, as far as I know, you wouldn't get that with Chrome, but Chrome has a connection to Google ads. Definitely has a connection to it to let, let it know what you're doing. Right. You know, it does all these things that make sure you're not accepting cookies and doing things like that. But no, Chrome is definitely definitely yet provide some level of tracking and it does have enterprise integration too. like you can control chrome if you control if you have a google workspace you know account you can control how chrome is being used on the works workstation when you sign in but even that is fully integrated into google you remove google from it and what do you have so because it says right here it says their uh google's revenue in two thousand twenty four from the ads alone was two hundred and thirty four billion. Yeah, they have a very effective marketplace. Yeah. So, yeah, it's interesting. I'm not sure how they're printing money, but somehow they are. Unsolicited bid too. We'll take it. Is it though? It's the ruling from the judge that they got to offer it. Yeah, they got to offer it. Did they announce they were accepting bids for any of that? I mean, do you even, do you have that choice to announce it? Like I read the paper. It's like, yeah. Our second chair was at the back of the courtroom. The person who's suing us right now. Exactly. Yeah, that'd be interesting to see how it plays out. Also, too. And there's also this is this is definitely one of those things that I wonder too, is like, I mean, I would imagine that Google still has the choice to like, who are you going to sell it to? You know, so for sure, but I think Oh, no, I think the the maybe this is this maybe this is a Elon move, or probably doesn't even have the money. No. Offer if you're not willing to accept it, because you will get it might be the last one. Yes, I don't have the money right now. But as soon as they say yes, they'll go get the money. And then, you know, come back and be like, Yeah, okay, cool. Let's go. Yeah. That'd be interesting. Yeah. What else is interesting, too, as well, is GitHub CEO has reportedly chosen to step down. It says Thomas Domecq will depart by the end of twenty five. Microsoft won't appoint, will not appoint a new CEO. GitHub leadership will report directly to Microsoft's core AI engineering team led by Jay Perwick. It says Thomas post frames the moves as returning to founders groups and confirms that the core AI transition through the timeline of twenty five. I said you can expect a tighter, tighter coupling with copilot past ship cycles and possible pricing on policy change independence with open source and also would be tested to as well. I saw this one. This is. I don't, I don't really think it's surprising because I think, you know, anybody at this level knows the time to build a startup is now. Um, and so maybe you can just whistle and get some funding, um, you know, when you're like kind of at the position and stuff he's been. Um, and so I would imagine to, I would imagine to build some type of like, um, you know, some type of like coding, um, you know, reasoning models is they will probably be his next, you know, startup because, you know, he has a particularly deep understanding. So that was being over at, you know, at GitHub. And so, you know, I don't think it's really interesting. I do. I do think it's interesting and find this that like. I would have thought that. github copilot will be a lot more dominant than they are because they were the first yeah they were the first and they have as much as they said they wasn't going to train on private repos no one believes that nobody believes that you know and so yeah so it's just like for me this is like this is like google dominating search but also allowing Amazon to beat you in voice search. You know, it's like, it's that, it's like, how do you let anthropic beat you, you know, when it comes to like clock code, you know, and dominate this market when you have the data you have, you know, you know, everything you need to, you know, to be successful in this area. And so, so yeah, I, I, I found it disappointing that, you know, GitHub Copilot is not as dominant as I thought I had the opportunity. They need a big conference around and everything. I don't know if GitHub Copilot is not as dominant. Who has the biggest market share? I mean, they were for a time. What was the last time you used GitHub Copilot? All the time, I guess. When I'm on VS Code, that's what I use. That's what's doing the... Oh, well, it depends. I think I like stuff for myself. No, I don't use it for things that I enjoy. That's what I was like. I was like, bro, I wasn't going to call you, but I was about to say, I've never heard you mention it. So I just... I feel like I use all the different things depending on what's available. Sometimes you might be in a space where there's only VS Code, and none of the other variations of agentic workflows and things like that are not available to you. What do you mean? What do you mean? Europe? Hey. You know what? The reason why I think it actually is more dominant than what we think, because people have already decided to trust GitHub, right? Yeah. And oddly enough, going to Cursor, going to these other folks, it is like a risk that businesses have to kind of absorb and decide whether to take in. But that's why... Copilot is, I think it still has a pretty high share because it is the default that's out there. It is like if you do nothing else, you'll probably have GitHub Copilot license enabled because you have your code in GitHub. Right. They have that connection. Now, is it better than the other ones? No, it's not. But actually, it's getting better. It is getting better. You can at least do custom instructions inside of GitHub Copilot like you can in Cloud now. You can do a plan mode. Yeah. It's interesting. Copilot is also a little agnostic too. You can pick the model that you want. Yeah, you can pick the models now. You can pick any model you want, which is, I think, good. They need to catch up on a bunch of different areas. Right now, they're lagging so far behind. It kind of was theirs to win because they are the defaults for corporate America. If you have programmers and you haven't jumped the AI bandwagon, you at least have VS Code. And they are definitely, they were making the prices very enticing. You know? Yeah. Yeah. But I think this, I was going to just put one little quick thing on the... on the CEO leaving, like this is a trend that I'm seeing is that like these CEOs who have successfully started businesses are realizing that this is their time for their third or fourth act is to go and be a startup, getting started again. And so it's like, I, you know, you see a, see a person who was a CEO of GitHub, a founder who has gone back to to do a startup, one, you're guaranteed to get funding. Engineers, top engineers will just follow behind them just because he's a proven known quantity. In the startup world, having any variables is almost you want to stay away from them as much as possible. I think it's interesting. I feel like we're going to see even more and more you know, founders to say, you know, I'm gonna leave my company that I've been in. I wouldn't be surprised if you're the CEO of Airbnb decides to do that at some point. Brian Chesky, Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian, you know what, I can, I can, I can see it's just such an enticing time. If you like if you like to build, this is the best time to be a builder rather than you know, a steward. Because that's what you are when you're just kind of like, you can be an innovator and stuff like that in those spaces. But like, man, Southern Greenfield is pretty enticing. Yeah, I can see that. So Thomas, I think it's pronounced Domka. He's been there for five years? Something like that? So the AI run or the AI features that are in GitHub, you know, can we assume that that was spearheaded by him, you know, while, while he was there? Um, this is just me assuming because like, I'm looking at the list of products, AI products that they have. And like, I haven't used so many of these. I don't think I've ever, I have not used agent mode. Um, I haven't used, uh, yeah. Code review. And there, there is a lot, there's a lot there, but it makes me curious. Um, and maybe we'll get more inside baseball when, you know, in time, but you know, there's, there is a lot there. And we were talking earlier about co-pilot being really an early mover, um, in the, um, IDE space, um, assisted coding space. and them basically watching all these other companies pop up and then eat their lunch, you know, it makes me wonder if they, with all these products that they have, these AI products that there just wasn't, I don't know, maybe the marketing side of it, maybe like there's some other piece to it that it wasn't given enough push to really be out there as much or As much that it that it could, you know, because I mean, by the time that coding agent rolled around. You know, and that's that's been out for awhile. Code review, coding agent chat with multiple models. I feel like that's newer. At the next edit, the the the completion two months. Yeah, but maybe like two and a half months or something like that. It's been out maybe three. Yeah, so. I mean. It being wrapped or it being absorbed into the core AI team makes sense. Uh, but. Yeah. There there's a lot. There's a lot there now that I'm looking at it. There's a lot there that I'm just not. Really into really into it all so. You know, maybe I should, I should, uh, I should dive back in there and see, and see, see what all this Google GitHub spark is about. Maybe, you know, Oh, I, I try to get spark, but I, I think it was not available at the time. Like it was on there like, uh, spark. Is it still under preview? I thought they did launch it. Um, It's in the product stage. now, according to the website. Oh, maybe, but yeah, they're, it's interesting. They definitely had, they definitely had the ability to really push ahead. A lot of folks that are out there, but it's, it's, it's the challenge that these large organizations have, which is, you know, it's their ability to turn and pivot toward These things are always going to be limited by the size of the organization and how complex it is to do. Where a company like Cursor can just come in with nothing and just walk in and just saying, you know, just do all the innovative things without all the red tape. GitHub is not just used by... You know, consumers used by the government is used for all reach all governments in there. You know, it's, it's a huge, huge thing. And this is as much as you would think copilot would be a huge, like center of the business. I tell you for the last couple years, I'm pretty sure this has been, it's not the same size team, very small team that's probably focused on this type of stuff, but now. think if they're integrating into Korea, it might put them in a better position, but it's still big, slow company fights against, you know, the small companies that are, um, more agile. So, yeah. Well, keeping along with Microsoft, uh, Microsoft just said they're going to start to hit at a genetic Windows by twenty thirty reporting points that Windows that would have basically be able to execute full workflows on requests moving beyond an app by app interaction. They think the OS native agents coordinating tasks across your desktop is going to be a reality. Say that you can expect new APIs policy with background action security models as I do my work, but become a platform that we're looking at by twenty, twenty, thirty. Adrian, we'll start with you. Microsoft say they're advancing towards a genetic windows by twenty, thirty. I have some strong thoughts on this issue. Do my work, I feel like it's just happened. I can feel the groans from, I can hear the groans from C-suite executives everywhere now. Do my work. I feel like it's bold. That's the first thing that comes to mind. It's really ambitious. They're talking about really changing you know, the, you know, peripheral or like giving you a new, you know, eliminating peripheral devices like keyboards and mice and going a primarily voice route. Well, not eliminating. They said that it'll be there as a backup. But having this be voice driven, something like that doesn't appeal to me really when it comes to an OS. I think that with, uh, like I mentioned before, you know, uh, digging into more C command line based, um, interfaces, I am falling back in love with, with that. Uh, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm using, you know, V or Vim. Um, to do quick, quick edits when I need to, um, just staying in the same window and I find everything is a lot less distracting. Um, so, uh, you know, I think that in the article, they mentioned something like, you know, this will be the, uh, it will make. how we're working now look like MS-DOS or something like that. And I'm really I think the opposite right now where I'm like, I think I'm liking the way that I'm working now better. And it's looking a lot like a lot more like MS-DOS than what I was how I was working before. So I think it's I think it's ambitious how they're going to pull it off. is going to be interesting. I saw this one-sixty-minute special about overworking years ago. It interviewed a couple, and the couple worked all day. And the way that the husband worked was that he had the dragon, naturally speaking. Oh, yes. Yeah. He had that, and this cat was typing. He was speaking in e-mail. And then typing some, some other document doing this work and multitasking that way. Um, which, you know, instill to this day that boggles my mind, like how you can be talking into your, your computer and then typing at the same time, but who knows? Maybe the next generation of kids will come along and they'll have that extra, I don't know, piece of their brain where, okay, the extra input is going to allow them to get ahead somehow and actually be more productive. I don't see it. So I really hope that I'm not the guy in the office who's like, hold on, slow down, slow down. Basically, the way that I work right now would be the equivalent of typing with two fingers. You know what always fascinates me? When I think of things like this, you think of musicians. You think of piano players who can play the melody and also play the main part with both of their hands. That blows my mind when I see that. It's like having two thoughts at the same time. That's pretty crazy. I think when I look at the... the twenty twenty twenty thirty vision they're not really good at predicting future microsoft is not for folks that I want to put future predicted from like look at windows it was a windows ce come on like yeah like oh it's like come on like whatever whatever they say I can definitely put some puts against that in the market. And I will probably do pretty well. Also, I'm not a, you know, registered financial person. So don't listen to me about your finances. But I tell you what, like, I'm listening to it. I appreciate they're trying to be bold and actually like, you know, put their vision out there. I think Zuckerberg is one of the earliest folks to put out their vision so far this year. I guess they want to follow up next after that. But the whole agentic Windows thing is, yeah. I don't see it. Yeah. And it seems like very surveillance-y, too. Because it's looking at your screen the whole time and They only have recall. They got recalls. That's done. They're recording everything now. Recall is on my wife's laptop. Total recall. Total recall. It's interesting how society has shifted in most different levels. So let me connect these two. It's interesting when you, in today's lane or whatever, it's like when I say I'm a Lakers fan, then the follow up question is- Why? Are you a- Why would you do that? The follow up question is, are you a Lakers fan? Or are you a LeBron fan? What's that? Right? I found the interesting now when I say I'm a Tesla fan. People say like, Are you a Tesla fan? Are you an Elon fan? I'm like, how do we get here? Yeah, that's right. So watch this Tesla, the model s release like a child and twelve. I test drove a model as like a two hundred fourteen. And then from there, I've just been a fan of the you know, the car and what it was doing. And so when a model three released, I remember, uh, when it was given release model three, it was having a lot of production issues and everything. It was delayed. This is the issue. And I remember simply all the big companies kind of like pointing and making fun of Tesla, like, ah, they're struggling, whatever it be. So, right. And then these companies started making their own. electric vehicles and everybody struggled. Everybody struggled. What this reminds me of, I'll never forget this. When Ford announced the Ford Lightning, the Ford Lightning truck, I will never forget this. They announced it and they said the Ford Lightning truck will have a four hundred mile battery range while it's fully loaded. that it would have the ability to have a four minute, four hundred mile battery range while it's fully loaded. Right, bro. And I was really excited about the four lightning. I'll never forget this. When it came to this, when they finally released their sales page to go, you know, to go to go buy it, to put your deposit down, the battery range of the four lightning was at the very bottom. And you know what it was like two to like, it was like two and that was still estimated. It was like, yeah. And so I put Microsoft in that category of, I just don't, I don't believe it. You know? Yeah. I don't believe it. Uh, particularly to when. Microsoft has so many issues even around their Copilot. You know, right now just to do simple tasks, workflows, building. Which Copilot are you talking about? Just like four or five? The Microsoft Copilot. Oh, okay. The chatbot, got you. Not the Copilot Office Suite. Well, no, no, the Office Suite one. So the one that you can integrate into Microsoft Word, Excel, just that. You can integrate it to them, but also, too, they have a section where you can just ask it. It's like a chat GPT where you can ask it prompts. You can ask a different question, stuff like that. And also, too, you can reference it to include your business files, your business files, documents. You can have it summarized. And you can also, too, make your own version of your GPTs, too, as well, within the suite. Um, I've done some trainings and stuff for those and man, there are some issues. Um, and so there, there's a, there's a lot of issues. There's a lot of opportunity for them to get better. And so, uh, it's for me seeing the struggle of today, it's hard to envision the future with them. you know, where I can't I can't get past the struggle today. You know, so it's like for saying like, hey, the F one fifty in two thousand thirty is going to be five hundred thousand, you know, range power. And it's like, brother, you said that is going to be four hundred. And we haven't we haven't got we haven't got past three hundred. I can't see it. And so, yeah, I see this in the same area. So. Again, I agree with what both of you guys said. It's like, I don't want to dream respectfully with Microsoft. I don't want to dream and stuff there. And so I think my last big dreaming with them in the end, the three Ring of Death. That's funny. Yeah. Wow. Remember that? I do, and I remember all the fixes. Nah, man, you put it in a bucket of soap or something and it gets the ring away or something. Nah, you got to put it in a bag of rice. Talk about non-deterministic. It never made sense. Why would you get the ring of death? No one knows the conditions. It was an overheating thing, yeah. It was an overheating thing. It was nothing that you planned the game too much or anything. Literally, your game could be sitting there for weeks and then you turn it on and all of a sudden, you know, three ring of death. I'll tell you what. Blue screen of death, three ring of death. When you saw that, it was equivalent to a bad breakup because you just knew it was over. Ain't no going back. You just got to sit there and look at it. Man. You got to sit there and just look at it. That was the worst. For me, that was my last time dreaming with Microsoft. Before XP was Vista. XP was solid. Vista was a nightmare. They can turn the corner. but I'm still, oh yeah, extremely pessimistic at the same time. Yeah. I will say, real quick, I will say that I was so upset when they acquired GitHub, but they've done an awesome job with GitHub. Yeah. They did. I thought I didn't, you know, now I think that's the question that folks have is now that it's being integrated into the mothership, what will happen to it? You know, because it Cause we're working at a company that is part of an acquisition, a larger company. As long as you have your founder, you have your identity, right? You can have your own subculture within an organization. Once you have your founder, as soon as that changes. Oh man. Yeah. You know, maybe it might, maybe not, maybe it will change next week, but give it some time. You will see some, you'll see something. kind of come out of this. So yeah, I hope so. Hope, hope something different happens, but I'd say my, uh, my Microsoft product that I am the most upset with is the one that I've actually forced to use the most, which is Microsoft one note. Oh boy. Oh man. Microsoft one note. I think, you know what? I'll I'll say this. They fix one note. I will believe their vision. Fix OneNote, please. I'm trapped in OneNote. I'm literally trapped in there. I got off of Evernote many, many years ago. I was like, oh, well, OneNote will work. Why don't I just transfer everything to OneNote? Found like a little nice converter, got everything in there. It's literally impossible to get your notes out of OneNote. It's like I'm stuck, and they don't, I think they care about it. No, maybe not. I don't know. Yep. It's a Bronx tale. Now. Now you can't leave. Remember that when you lock the door on the biker? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what happened here. Yeah, that's a what else? What else was around? Right after I ever know what else was around? There was other options. there was evernode there was notes plus two um notes plus two yes yes but that was microsoft only yeah yeah yeah there's notes there's just notes right that was the thing just microsoft notes which also until recently, and Microsoft Notes is really good on iOS, it's really nice. But yeah, I can't think of any other ones that are out there, but now I do have some really good note-taking tools that are amazing. I just can't get anything over to it from my past. Yeah, I'm obsessed. I'm in Obsidian now. Love it. Obsidian. Yeah. Yeah. I use Notability is what I use. Okay. Yeah, I'm in Obsidian. You got to spend some time setting it up for sure. And I haven't committed to that full journey yet. Yeah. Yeah. I keep trying to do, was it Notion? But man. Yeah, no. You get a template. The template looks so good. You load it up. You're like, man, I'm not using all this stuff. Out of space. Upgrade for more, what is it? It's not spaces. What is it called? More something. Yeah. And I think what got me is like, Even if you delete stuff, they're like, yeah, we don't care. That doesn't count. Still upgrade. Still got to upgrade. I was double notion. Man. And refused. All right, guys. Well, this has been another fantastic episode. This was fun. This is fun. I feel like the majority of the conversation definitely was on comics and GBT-Five. I think I might have triggered Adrian with the Zoom. Remember, you could group listen. Remember, you could group listen if you were next to someone else with the Zoom. You can listen to music at the same time. That's Microsoft, right? Yeah, it's Microsoft. See? They do some good things. What was the famous quote? A thousand songs in your pocket came out. With the AirPod. It was old from there. That was it. AirPod had me with the rotating. It was killer. That was killing. Yeah. Yeah. And then I remember, I never forget when they, when they integrated the iPod or iTunes, whatever, into the iPhone. I was like, that was a, man, how did they do that? Which! These, them! Walk the plank. So yeah, man, we discussed perplexity with their potential offer acquisition of thirty-five billion, thirty-four, sorry, thirty-four point five. github ceo leaving gpt five and stuff of course and then microsoft with their future vision of what they think the world is moving towards so yes I think it's a great episode yeah it's a girl yeah man adrian where can people find you You can find me at Adrian underscore Poupon on all platforms. Thanks for tuning in and staying up to date with the latest in AI and technology. And I hope you found this episode valuable. So we're going to keep doing them. So just please share it around and join the discord and contribute your insights as well. We'd love to hear from you there. Yeah. Hey, you can find me on all platforms. Saku, the wise one. That's number one. Yeah, this is another great episode. I really enjoyed the conversation, guys. 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