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Stu from  @MiniatureRealms joins Jordan Sorcery to talk about the 1987 Arnold Schwarzenegger vehicle The Running Man and the 1974 Hammer Horror swashbuckling adventure Captain Kronos: Vampire Hunter! There's satire, action, and mayhem, as well as Warhammer references and movie critique in this latest episode of the Warhammer Film Club.

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SPEAKER_00 0:06

Hello and welcome to the Warhammer Film Club, where every episode I am joined by a fantastic guest to talk about two movies that have had some impact on our hobby history or the history of Warhammer and Games Workshop. Today we've got some really fun movies to come. We're going to be talking about the Running Man from 1987 and a Hammer horror film called Captain Kronos Vampire Hunter. And I am joined by my good friend Stu from the Miniature Realms channel. Stu, how are you doing today? Are you alright?

SPEAKER_02 0:37

Really good. Really good, thank you. Thanks for inviting me on. I've been enjoying watching these and uh looking at some of the other names that you've had on. I feel like I'm uh uh uh a last minute substitute. No, not at all. No, no one no one's been no one's been injured.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Um and I haven't stepped to the last minute, but uh obviously we record the the GW book club together, so we read a lot of books and we talk about a lot of games workshop books. I thought it would be fun to to pivot our conversations to a couple of couple of movies and for us to to just get to uh to relax and unwind a little bit with a with a different type of media. So we've got two two really interesting films, and I think there's although they're very different, I think there are some interesting little overlaps and comparisons that uh I think we'll we'll probably come across as we get into them. But we're gonna see. Not just bad acting. No, there's some great acting throughout these. There's some real over-the-top stuff that is that's a lot of fun. Um and I suppose that's the that is the the commonality across both, is that they're very fun, even if they're rough around the edges at times. I think they're both good fun. And the first film this was your choice. So this is Running Man from 1987. So this was um obviously stars Arnie. It's based on a Stephen King short story, a novel, in fact, written under his uh pseudonym of um Richard Bachmann. Richard Bachman, yeah. Uh and then this the this adaptation was written by Stephen E. D'Asouza, who is a very successful action movie writer. So he wrote Die Hard, he wrote Die Hard 2, he wrote Commando, he wrote Judge Dread with Stallone. Uh so like real real like credentials on uh on the writer. The director, less less well known, I think. Paul Michael Glazer didn't I'm not I don't think he did that much in the movie sphere. I think he did a couple of movies, not not any that I've seen other than this. A lot of TV stuff, I think.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

But Arnie is the big draw for this movie, I think, right? This is just this is this from top to bottom is an Arnold Schwarzenegger vehicle.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

Yes, yeah, it was it feels like it was part of an era where he was action movies, and every teenage, let's be honest, mostly teenage boys up until young adults, I suppose, men in their 20s maybe wanted to see films with Arnie kicking butt, killing people, shooting things, blowing up things. Um, and it feels like that that was the sort of the library of videos that I wasn't able to see at home at that age that I was watching around friends' houses, and and uh they're all all they're all there, whether it's commando or whether it's uh yeah, they're just Arnie films, and this is unashamably an Arnie film for sure.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Because there was this is part of that era where it was like so Arnie and Stallone were kind of going head to head. I think in some ways you'd get Bruce Willis in the mix as well at times. There were other action stars as well, your Van Dams and your Stevensagales and such. But like Arnie and Stallone were real, were like the big blockbuster headliners, but the films that they were making, like the the action movies they were making, were just wild, off-the-wall, like high concept, super high concept stuff. I mean, yeah, you would have like okay, what if Arnie is a robot sent from the future? But then you would also get like you know, what what if Arnie is a prisoner in a dystopian TV show? And then you know, what Stallone's doing Demolition Man, where he's a a maniac cop frozen in ice for 60 years or whatever it is. You just get these real like there were loads of sci-fi movies. There's some of the best sci-fi things.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

Yeah, toe recall was was uh and that was that was a toss-up where I was gonna pick that for for this as well. Um I mean, some of this is because all your guests in the first series have picked all of the, and I don't mean this in a bad way, the the obvious kind of connections with Warhammer because because that's kind of why we're here, isn't it? The connections with Warhammer, and there are sort of some time tangentially, but uh um but but still, yeah, there was I think there's some yeah, no, I'm sure we'll explore it as we go.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

There is some real vibes of Warhammer scattered throughout Running Man, I think. You know, there's like whether that's in sort of certain elements of the design or just the like storytelling or some of what we're seeing, even some of the satirical elements, like that feels quite Warhammer-y, yeah. Uh certainly of that era, you know, of the 80s. So this is 1987 that this came out. So this is the same time as as Rogue Trader is coming out, and it's kind of got not the same kind of satirical approach, but like there is a lot of shared like culturally, I think there's a lot of stuff around, you know, like the sort of the almost the Reaganite kind of big business taking over sort of thing that you see in the the like TV host in this. It like is very and you see it in like Robocop and and other stuff of that, like corporations being the sort of big evil operators kind of taking over and and and becoming the the dangerous force. That kind of thing in a slightly different way, because that also throws that flows through 2008 and Judge Dread and stuff as well. All of that kind of makes his way into Warhammer in a way, and you get the satirical stuff about like big organizations and the scale of stuff and how inconsequential life is to these like monolithic organizations, that kind of stuff is all in the mix through a lot of these films.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

Yeah, that that's a big part of it. I think it is is twofold. I did I wasn't watching this in '97 when it when it came out. I would for a start it but back then what it used to take a good two, three years for things to come out on easy on video back then. So I would have been watching this early 90s, um, around the time that I was first getting in into Warhammer. So it's it it the links there that you were just describing were both real um in terms of the the story, um, and also tangible in terms of what I was reading uh and playing with with Warhammer. So it was it was twofold. So part of my reason for choosing it was that connection with my own nostalgia, I suppose. Um and then and also connections, and it reminded me of this when we were covering Dark Future stories over on the Books Club as well, because there's loads in tongue-in-cheek kind of post-economic crash, um slightly dystopian world where it's a police state that rules via propaganda, and that the corporations are sort of state-run or run the world. Um, it that just could be a story told in one of those Dark Future books that we we covered, and I think that's part of it as well. So around this time, I was yes, I was playing Brogue Trader, um, but I was also playing uh Dark Future and playing original Necromunda confrontation as well from the White Dwarf pages. So this is why this film reminds me of that era. So partly it's a nostalgia trip, but then as an adult looking back on it and peeling away the layers, then the actual story and the politics of this story match all of the stuff I was playing. I didn't realise at the time. All I cared about as a teenager was that someone got their Ghoulies chainsawed off. That you know, that was what I was interested in as a as a as a teenager, but looking back on it as an adult, there's all this correlation.

SPEAKER_00 8:23

Yeah, I can see that for sure. Yeah. I mean, the Dark Future connection, I think that's a really good one because it it it shares so much with that as well. That that in terms of the world, I can only assume, although you know, this would only be out a year or two before the Dark Future novels were being written by Jack Yeval. There is you know, he was a film critic. I wouldn't be surprised if he hadn't gone and seen the movie as soon as it came out, wasn't aware of it. But these kinds of films, you know, as we say, these are high concept action movies, there is a a huge amount of that in the Dark Future books. Like they're leaning, you know, Mad Max is a very obvious one, but there is loads of stuff here, even around the way that you sort of yeah, you have these corporations who run sanctioned operatives in the Dark Future universe, but here they're running as a slightly different type of bounty hunter because they're in this contained TV like reality show environment. But it's still ultimately the same process, you know, people being paid to hunt down and kill other people, uh, and you've got this dystopian landscape. But I mean, I suppose we haven't talked about what the movie's actually about, which is really and it's super like prescient for where we are today, I think, in many ways. Yeah. Because this is a movie where it is a dystopian future, corporations have an enormous amount of power. The most successful TV show uh in America and the world is called The Running Man, where prisoners are taken and they're put into basically a life or death gladiatorial game where they get to run through the it's it's essentially they've like closed off an entire part of a dystopian LA city, and the prisoners get to run through that, and if they get to the end of this course, they escape and they get to go off to Barbados or wherever it is. But the challenge is that there's a load of bounty hunters who are, you know, very theatrical have been sent in to kill them, literally hunt down and kill kill them if they if they can. And our hero of the movie is uh Arnold Schwarzenegger, and he's playing a character called Ben, and he is a pilot, a helicopter pilot, he is ordered by the military to shoot on uh rioting civilians who uh like rioting because they want like medicine.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Food, I think.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Yeah, or food, yeah, that's how that sounds right. And he refuses, so he refuses to follow the order, has a bit of a fight with the other soldiers in the helicopter who want to follow the order, the he's taken out and the the sort of attack run commences, and then all of that like that massacre is pinned on him, and they edit, they deep fake the video footage to change it so that he was the one who wanted to run this uh assault on innocent civilians. And that is how he ends up on the run. He has an interaction with a uh he basically takes a woman hostage in order to try and get away. She turns on him and then he gets arrested and thrown into the running man. She then ultimately is brought in as well because she starts to believe his version of events and finds you know that deep faked footage. But yeah, that's essentially the setup. I've made it sound more complicated than it was. He gets captured, he gets put into the running man games, and then he's being chased around by ridiculously over-the-top sanctioned operatives, basically.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

Yes, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's it's uh the the whole misinformation thing, the whole Dr. Deepface stuff is scarily modern, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 11:58

But it really is.

SPEAKER_02 11:59

It's um it's something that I I think I'm trying to think about how I felt about it when I when I was a kid and watched it. I probably didn't care too much because again, you're looking for the the gory parts, but the fact that he was set up he'd be sent to prison, wasn't he? The film opens with this prison break um with him and two other um inmates who sort of turn out to be sort of semi underground freedom fighter types, don't they? They they they know they know people, um when he and he eventually, obviously, as you describe, gets caught. I think when he goes looking for his brother, doesn't he? He goes and finds out his brother's been sent off for re-education. Yes. And and what's her name? I'm gonna forget now. Amber, isn't it? Amber Mendes. Um, she's in his brother's flat, right? And she's a musician or something, and she sort of he kidnaps her, gets caught, um, and then get gets entered into the game. So I I there's more there than I realised the the first the first time round, because you just kind of skim over it. Um, probably because they don't emphasize the right parts in the same way as they would now if they were making the film, because it's all about the action scenes when actually there's some good story there that they could make a little bit more of the personal side of things uh if it was remade. Now I haven't seen the remake, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 13:17

I've also not seen the remake.

SPEAKER_02 13:19

I've got a feeling it follows the the book a bit more, which I've also read, which I recommend going go and read the book because the book's different, quite wildly different in places.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Uh because am I am I right? So the the having seen the trailer for the new movie, it seems more like the like the the running man games are just kind of out and about in the real world.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

Yeah, and that's what it's like in the in the in the book as well. Okay. Um it's it's he's slightly different. He he he basically wants money for medicine in the book. But I don't want to spoil the book for people, but it's the premise is is is the same. Um he's running, but he's not com confined um to a to a city block or whatever it is that's been that's been locked off. It's you you're running off in public and you're you're out there in public and there's you have to look he has to log his his camera footage every 24 hours or something, otherwise they uh um otherwise he forfeits his chance of of of winning and winning winning the money because it's all about winning winning money as well. Yeah, that's really interesting. It's good, it's really good anyway. But we'll we'll get sidetracked on it because the book's the book's probably better than the film. That's quite often is the way. Um but but um I I I think there's lots there. When you when you describe this the the the plot, um it feels I don't know, it feels better than what's what's delivered really. I enjoy the film from a light entertainment. It is light, yeah. It is light entertainment, but it's a better describe. There's there's not a lot of great acting performances in there. I think um Damien, I think Killian's good. I think that character comes across well.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

This is the the host of the show, right?

SPEAKER_02 15:01

The host of the show, yeah. I think he's good in the in the film. Because he's a proper sleaze back, he's really yeah, and it comes across really well, and the audience works. That that's like pure dark future, that feel it's it feels good. Um it doesn't matter that Arnie's not good because Arnie's Arnie. Um, and then the supporting good characters are a little bit bland, I suppose.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

Yeah, I mean there's a couple of there's a couple of people in that in the supporting roles. So so one of the people who are in it, so um Laughlin is one of those guys that he frees that that Arnie escapes from prison with at the start of the movie. Yes, and who turns out to be a resistance fighter. But that uh Loughlin's played by Yafek Koto, who was also in Alien. Uh and and he is just a fantastic actor. I think he's absolutely brilliant, great presence, and he's also a big guy as well, so you kind of get like a good there's a bit of tension between him and Arnie to start with, but it's that kind of classic 80s action movie dynamic where they even though there's tension between them, they come to respect one another, and then there's a bit of a sacrifice play later on as well. So like you get some good stuff with that. Um perhaps more surprising is the leader of the resistance. So I find this this is just totally bizarre. The leader of the resistance, Mick, is played by Mick Fleetwood off of Fleetwood Mac. Yes, and it's it's just inexplicable. I mean, because even within the context of the movie, he might actually be playing himself because it's sort of set in a slight dystopian future, and at some point he talks about like oh back in the day, like when he was in a band or whatever, when he was playing music. So is is it like Mick Fleetwood is actually like the leader of the future resistance? I I hope so. I hope he's playing himself because I think that that's just ridiculously brilliant.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

I've not I've not Googled it to find out whether there's anything there, but um it it would it would be fun.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

It would be fun, it would be fun, totally nonsense. But yeah, he's actually quite good. I think it is it he's a little he's not the greatest actor, but he's he's clearly got a bit of confidence, and he's kind of this he doesn't stand out as as as any worse as some of the other acting in the films, yeah. Um, but so he he kind of um they they they manage to like they've got bomb collars on when they escape from prison and he takes them all off, but he ultimately they end up finding the resistance because they're the secret signal that whatever McGuffin that the government and the corporation are doing, the satellite is inside the running man like arena, because this arena is is this locked off, dystopian and destroyed ruins of LA or wherever it I think it's LA that's set in. Because they've sealed it off in order to film their like their games, that was the perfect place to hide a satellite. So when they're inside and Arnie and Co. are all like caught up in the games, there's also this then sort of pivot to whilst we're here, we can help the resistance by cutting off the like whatever the satellite is beaming out into the you know this the propaganda and stuff. So you kind of get this merging of like the resistance fighter subplot with the Arnie in the in the Running Man Gladiator games, kind of the two things cross over.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

They do, and then the added layer of finding the real footage from the Bakersfield massacre, sure, so that the public knows what really happened. So no longer is he the butcher of Bakersfield, he can be the the hero cop who was who was uh who was framed. Um at the same time in this perfect world where someone watched that watch that video and goes, Oh that's the thing, and that's so and then maybe this is like the in my modern rewatch.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

I'm sure at the time when I've watched this in the because I've seen this movie so many times back in the day, like it was just good fun, and you're like, Yeah, no worries. Not to to to not to go into a completely different uh topic, but what what was a bit sad for me about watching the end of this film now in the sort of modern era was like it it's just so neat and tidy, and it like you even get so like people when the host of the show is outed, is like they use deep fakes and they've sent innocent men into this into this uh gig games, and actually the host is a bad guy and the corporation's not so good and all this sort of stuff, everyone turns on them, and everyone's like, No, you're you know, that you're doing bad stuff, I can't support you anymore. And like the you know the the truth is is out and Arnie gets away scot scot-free because the deep fake is revealed, and like there's no like everyone everyone justice is served, I suppose, is the thing. As is classic in these kind of action movies, justice is served and it's a clean break, everything's good again.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

And we know that that's just not the way things work.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

It's not how reality works. Sadly, sadly, it seems you know so the satire is kind of you know, it doesn't quite have teeth because all the bad guys get punished, like they either die or they get arrested, and then all the good guys, you know, some of them do die, but all of the good guys who sort of you know make it to the end, they are off to live on the beach, sort of thing. Um it's very neat, it's very neat. Um and I that's the light entertainment side of things, I guess, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 20:36

Yes. I think it's almost like the satire is there for the creators of the film rather than the the audience.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

Because I'm not sure uh I'm not sure that I don't know, maybe maybe adult audiences in 1987 were picking up on it, but I'm not sure that's what the point of the film was um too much. And I I wonder if that's something of a of a re-evaluation now, particularly in the in the in the the climate now where some of the things that were in that film in 1987 have come to pass. So an economic challenge collapse that happened post that and other things as well. We won't list the other obviously the the deep fakes, we can say that, but yeah, without going into sort of rabbit holes we don't want to go into. But um, it's uh yeah, I do wonder now we can re-evaluate those parts of the film, and maybe we give them too much emphasis as well, based on things that have happened.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

I get what you're saying. I think certainly in some ways, I think that's fair. You know, there's a there's a modern kind of perspective on it, but I don't want to I don't want to do down some of the satirical elements of the script because there's some stuff that is like very clearly a satirical joke at the time that plays really well. I mean, I jotted down a couple of things that I I think are fantastic. So, one is there is like when the host of the show sees footage of Arnie like on the run from his prison break, and he's like, I want That guy in the running games, he's get he'll be a perfect con contestant. He's he's he turns to his like PA and says, Get me the Justice Department Entertainment Division, which I think is fantastic, and then later on, someone talks about the president's agent. Like, we need to get the president's agent on the phone, which is all brilliant. Um, you also see like Robocop style, like little adverts for other shows at certain points, and there's one where you just climb, there's like dollars going up a uh rope, and you have to climb, and there's like dogs and stuff at the bottom. Like, that's just that's right, like the newcomebeard game.

SPEAKER_02 22:36

So, in the book, in the book, there are other shows, right? Um, that so as ways you can make money, and I think one of them is is basically you're running on a treadmill, and it's for people that have medical conditions, so they shouldn't physically be able to run on a treadmill, and the longer they stay on, the more money they can earn towards medical procedures. So you might have someone with a lot like late real cloth really bad coronary disease or heart problems or something running on a treadmill, and people are watching this and they die live on television, so it's that kind of dark and really super dark. So there's elements there that that have obviously come over from King's King's writing.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

So yeah, I love that. I mean, and yeah, you will because you've also got I think when Arn when they get Arnie into the show, he gets a court-appointed theatrical agent instead of a court-appointed lawyer. Like that, it's silly, but I think that's funny. I mean that and that does sort of remind me of like 2008. That's kind of Mega City One stuff, I think you would see. Um just before I think it's just before they go into the sh into the games, he's wearing his like prison overalls, his prisoner overalls, and then it turns away, it turns out it's breakaway clothing, and they tear it off, and he's got his running man lyra on underneath. And and I'm I'm all for that. I think that that sort of thing is very funny because it's so over the top, it's absolutely brilliant, just completely ridiculous. Um I did find myself thinking that watching the show in the universe is probably not that much like as a live audience member, because you there's gonna be loads of dead air, like where you're you're not entirely sure what's happening, like because obviously, as the in the movie, like and as viewers of the movie, we're just cutting to all of the best bits. So we're you know, Arnie goes on that you go on this absurd, like rocket propelled cage that that launches you into the games, and then he's running about, and then he's fighting a guy, and then he's hiding, and then he's running and stuff. All of the stuff where they're running and searching in between the fights. Like, what are you doing in the audience?

SPEAKER_02 24:46

I mean in the library's on screens, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 24:48

Yeah, you're what yeah, you're watching it on screen, but you're literally just like watching a guy like walking around.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

You're forgetting that people used to stand outside in the rain on a Friday to watch the Big Brother eviction show.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

This is this is what people do. Yeah, no, you're quite right. People watched 30 episodes, 30 days worth of Big Brother, actually. So you I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm completely wrong. People will absolutely watch people just like walking around like this for they really won't, yeah. Yeah, okay, fair enough. Uh which which of the I forget what they call what do they call the the actual the the bounty hunters, like the the I can't remember the term they've got for them. Good question. Which of those guys did you like the most?

SPEAKER_02 25:39

Oh, they're all I always like dress adventura and stuff, so Captain Freedom's quite so good in this.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

I know and you know, we don't need to talk about him as a in a re in the real world, but in this movie, he's fantastic, he's really good.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

Yeah, he is good. He was good playing that role in a quite a few films in this era, yes, usually Arnie films, funny enough. But the character he plays is quite funny, especially as he realizes that that he's he might be in danger as he watches the other um uh hunters or were they hunters? I can't know if they're called hunters or not.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

Something like that, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 26:14

Yeah, bounty hunters, whatever they were. But as he sees them dying and he realizes, hang on a minute, I'm actually gonna have to do some work tonight. Um, but they're they're all quite funny, I suppose. The that that you get the typical Arnie lines when he kills them off. There's probably less of those cheesy lines in this film as some other Arnie films, but um um yeah, there must be a couple, I can't remember them right now. Yeah, I'm saying I've just said that and I can't remember any of them at this point. Um but um yeah, there would because you you've got Sub Zero. Um yeah, but we're gonna have to Sub Zero's the one of them, and there's Buzzsaw, Fireball Fireball, Fireball and Dynamo, yeah. Right leather.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

I like Dynamo a lot. So he's an opera singing, like electricity guy, who turns out to be obviously, you know, these are all terrible guys, but he's got a tiny little car, which is quite funny. Um, I quite like that, and I like that he does his opera singing to like announce his arrival. I thought that was quite funny. Um he he obviously I mean he survives the actual games but then turns out to be a total creep later on, yes, and kind of gets his comeuppance, which is he certainly does, yeah. Yeah, I think Fireball is like very cool and kind of there's an interesting because there's sort of a little twist within it where there's talk throughout the movie of like these three contestants who escaped, who succeeded, uh, beat the running man, they got their ten thousand dollars or whatever it was, and they got to go off to Barbados. And then again, it turns out they've deep faked a load of footage, um, and actually they find the bodies inside the running man arena, and like Fireball has has burnt them to a crisp, and then he's gonna do the same to Arnie. So it's kind of this little escalation, you know, the the hope that you could escape and get through it is taken away halfway through, um, which is kind of fun, you know, that sort of little twist reveal or actually there no one has ever beaten it. That's all a lie, is quite good.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

Yeah, um it's no surprise, I suppose. Um, especially with the other things, you you you by that point you already know that sure that there is already deep fakes going on, and we know that the corporation is corrupt, and um, so it's not a surprise, but it just adds more layers to that kind of idea of this is betrayal and all it is is is propaganda and and dumb trash TV of the worst kind imaginable, even worse than you can get in the real world because we're not as yet killing people live on TV for sport. We'll watch this space, but um but but um but it it's it kind of makes sense um that that they kind of have more of those lays into it. So I think it works. I think it works.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

It does, yeah, and it it's I think it's also supposed to like heighten the threat of fireball because like he's responsible for it as well. Um, so yeah, I think it it is good. I mean, he obviously there's like some good action scenes where well I say good action scenes, these are not the best action scenes in Arnie's career. Let me know they're they're a little bit nice, actually. Punching a guy, basically. I quite like the buzzsaw fight, that's pretty good. Um, yeah, the sub-zero ones on on ice, isn't it? And they wrap him in like barbed wire, which is pretty good. Um and then yeah, fireball explodes, obviously.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

Yes. He brings the toil for the the worst name.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

I mean yeah, some nominative determinism for for fireball, I think, going on there.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

Should we workshop this name a bit more? No, no, it's done with let's let's go over.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

But yeah, I mean I I think like as a as a movie, yes, it is it's big trash, right? It is a very trashy movie, it's very of its time. But if you have nostalgia, as we both do, for that era of like macho man action movies, which are very silly, and you know, that that we have moved on as a society from them, which is good, but I still have a little place in my heart for this kind of silly, muscle bow nonsense. Like it's still fun to go back to. Super high concept, a bit of sci-fi, a bit of action, and just yeah, the whether they can act or not, you know, an arnie just has charisma, he has screen presence. There are some performances he's done that are really good, there are some that are a bit clunkier, but he's all I find him always fun to watch, I would say.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

Yes, yeah, it's he he he completely gets away with not being able to to to act, especially and he gets better as he does he does improve, I think, over his career for sure. Yeah, of course he I mean he wasn't an actor to start with, he was uh it was he was he was brought in for his his physique and it kind of worked, and we gone into other films, but it it works in in Conan actually because it works with the character. Um in things like this, it probably doesn't work as well, but the the whole style of film means you get away with it anyway.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

Yeah, yeah, I think so. Did you know apparently that Arnie's role was originally cast for uh with Christopher Reeve was gonna play was gonna play Ben Richards? Yeah, and they were they had it, I believe, they like signed contracts and everything was ready to go. Then there was some sort of like production delay that released Reeve from the contract and he went off. I don't know if that's when he went off to do like Superman 4 and some of his own like personal projects, but that's why they then moved to Arnie. Very interesting. I I imagine it would be quite a different feel with Christopher Reyn in that role, even if a lot of the other elements were the same, I still think it would be quite different.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Yeah, I think so. You you you wouldn't have had the cheesy Arnie kill gags, which I still can't remember. Um, but you um I think that would have been filmed differently. Um I can see it working though. I can see it working how it might have worked.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

Reeves was a big, you know, he's like kind of got that lean like American football player physique, right? And he's very tall, has a great physical presence of his own. Very different physical presence to Arnie. But I can imagine him doing some really interesting stuff with it. And then also I think there would it would probably bring something more maybe it would be weightier in some of the sort of you know, the the betrayal and the military stuff and the you know all the deep fake stuff. I can imagine that having a little bit more of an edge with with a Reeve in that role.

SPEAKER_02 32:46

I think so. I think so. It's it's hard to imagine though. I know and I'm struggling now to remember him in uh films other than Superman, so it's very hard to do.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

He's good, good actor. Yeah, I think you know, yeah obviously iconic for Superman, but I think that in other films he does show very different sides, very different performances. Um so yeah, I think it would have been really cool.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

Yeah, yeah, I can see I didn't know that, but yeah, I could I could see a version of the film where it might have things might have even been better.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

But yes, uh quite an interesting, fun, trashy film that probably is a good description of our other feature that we've watched. So this was uh Captain Kronos Vampire Hunter. So this is a hammer horror film that is I think a really interesting departure for Hammer. So they were really going for something that was quite different at this point. So this is 1974, and it is it you it's basically like an action, it's like a hammer horror action film in a way, kind of a swashbuckling adventure, I suppose you would say. Yes. And it is literally this guy called Captain Kronos who is riding around um and and and is basically doing swashbuckling adventure stuff to fight vampires. You know, he's going to these small towns, he's encountering like suspicious locals, and he's he's chasing down these different vampires everywhere. Um, I think that there is I I really enjoyed this film for all of its like absurdity, and like it it is, you know, it's cheesy at times, it's got uh the like a completely dubbed main performance. So like the the the you know the the voice is quite strange and the main actor can be a bit stiff at times, it looks great, but there's kind of a certain stiffness to him in this performance. Um Horst Jansen is the name of the actor who played who physically played Captain Kronos. Um but yeah, there is there's a lot of things that you would say, okay, that makes this film not great. Or or in fact bad. But there's also a lot to really enjoy, I think. I mean, how did you how did you find it? Is this the first time you've watched it?

SPEAKER_02 35:09

Yeah, absolutely. And I'm not a huge watcher of hammer horror films, it's not something something um nothing against them, but it's just something I've never really indulged. I've watched some, obviously, I think most people have seen the odd one or two, if you're over a certain age. Um, but I wouldn't wouldn't class myself as a a sort of a a connoisseur of of hammer horror, but it was it's not what I expected, um well based on what I've seen before. So you you your opening description of it that it's different than yes, I can imagine it's pretty different to normal. Um I liked it a lot more than than I thought I would. Um and it's very easy to I mean you you can tell me why you think well you where's the Warhammer connection, but I I think it's really really strong. You could yes, it it's set in uh maybe post-Napoleonic War or mid-1850s or something like that period uh in Europe, but it's so rural that if you squint enough, you could pretend that it was in the empire, couldn't you? You really could oh you absolutely could. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. There's only a couple of uniforms that that sort of portray themselves as slightly more modern. Even then, you you may have seen a version of it in the empire on certain troops anyway, um like a pistolier or something like that. It's like, yeah, I could I could I I played a game in my head while watching it as let's pretend this is set in the empire, and it it works. You could write that as a Warhammer story for sure. Um I think I really enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

Yeah, I think absolutely you could. I think you're right, yeah, there's a few there's a few things that maybe feel a little too modern, as in, you know, like Napoleonic or what have you. But for the most part, the look and the feel, the feel especially, is like really Warhammer-y. So it is it, you know, the spirit of it is that the adventurous spirit and the sort of swashbuckle in nature, this is pure Warhammer fantasy roleplay. But like even when it comes to the actual like you know, Hammer Horror played a big role for Rick Priestley in particular, but the other creators of Warhammer Fantasy and writers on the on the battle battle game and the role-playing game side. But Rick Priestley has specifically called out this movie as being one of the Hammer Horror films that was that was just like present. You know, whether or not they were like, oh, we're gonna specifically make Captain Kronos into our game. It wasn't quite like that, I don't think, but it was like that style of swashbuckling adventure should be possible in the world we're building. You know, if we're gonna play Warhammer Hunter roleplay, that is how it would play out. You know, these are this is a vampire hunter or what would become a witch hunter in in the empire, the way in which they interact, all of the sort of vampiric stuff. Because the vampires are quite interesting here as well, and they're not quite traditional vampires. Which I really like. Because it's set up like the the the I mean the movie is literally just Captain Kronos comes into a small town, there have been some disappearances and deaths that have happened you know because of potential vampire activity. There's actually a really cool opening scene with the with like two girls in the forest, and one of them gets attacked, and you know, so there's there's this sort of mystery is created. Um but then Captain Kronos is just investigating it and discovers that it is vampires and that there's a little um like vampiric bloodline in the in the local area and uncovers that and then fights against that. It's really simple, but the world that they create I think is really fun. So there are different types of vampires, different bloodlines that operate differently. So when they're actually trying to work out a bit of the investigation into are these vampires at all, and if they are, what kind of vampires are they? All of that sort of stuff is like really interesting, really cool idea. You know, like the the way these guys work is that they they might have a reflection or they might not have a reflection, they might be vulnerable to this or not vulnerable to certain things. So I really like they have to work out how to kill these specific vampires. Um, like a really good bit halfway through, or roughly halfway through, where one of their friends has been turned into a vampire and they're trying to kill him. And he's kind of he was yeah, he was sort of up for it because he's like, I don't want to, you know, I I d don't let me become a monster. But they have to put him through some pain because they don't know how to kill because vampires are impossible to kill, basically.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

It sounds really comical when you're describing it. It didn't because it wasn't quite as funny.

SPEAKER_00 39:51

Watch, yeah, I mean it's it's more it's more horrific, but it's also like like it's it's quite interesting because you have to work I just really like that you don't know for sure that oh, it's always gonna be garlic, it's always gonna be a steak through the heart. Yes, so that was quite cool, and there's also like cool lore as well, like a vampire only bleeds at the moment of its death. So like there's that kind of there's just some cool stuff, like it's cool.

SPEAKER_02 40:17

I think I yeah, I I love the the the main way or the the the vampire we first see, its way of killing, it's a mystery. You don't see the vampire, but afterward the the woman that's attacked is left aged by about 60-70 years in an instant, and she then in some cases manages to stagger home before she dies of old age, or or she's a crone straight away and just dies instantly. And that's that's taking of life force is really interesting, uh and yet feels so Warhammer, doesn't it? It's not the it's not the the the the traditional vampire I drink your blood kind of thing. It's it's it's far more than that, far more grim and and and scary in some ways. Uh that that was as soon as that first scene, the opening scene, I was like, Yeah, this is good, this is different. This is this is not quite as uh run-of-the-mill cheesy vampire. I'm gonna like this.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

I think, yeah, and that there's like so then you get after that opening scene, which I I really liked it. I thought it was real it sets the sit the scene and the tone really well. It is like this is a horror film, but then you were immediately you immediately follow with like Captain Kronos riding like to you know, you get the opening credits and just loads of footage of him just riding about on his horse, and it but that kind of has like that's an old school vibe, but it also sort of it juxtaposes the two things the film's gonna do, which is the horror element with these vampires, and then this guy with a sword who carries a katana inexplicably, not they never talk about why they so this is like a Napole a former Napoleonic officer or around that time who just happens to carry a katana for some reason.

SPEAKER_02 41:58

Yeah, because it's cool, really bad with it, but at the same time really good with it. The tavern scene when he kills three ruffians, he he kind of really slowly does two strokes, but then they've and they're all positioned shots, and three of them kind of well, this even drop, they even stagger and die afterwards. That was terrible acting, wasn't it? But the way you pretended to die as a child when you were playing and you take a back to the yeah, that's very true.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

But that whole that that sequence, like because that's riffing on like uh on like samurai cinema, right? Where like Zatuichi would just slice, you just draw the sword and then put it away, and you wouldn't have even seen the cut, right?

SPEAKER_02 42:44

But it doesn't quite work because the the the sword movement is in slow motion because he's slow, not because it's been slow to yeah, yeah, very true.

SPEAKER_00 42:56

Yeah, I mean, but but like it's trying, it's aiming for that kind of stuff, and that really that absolutely screams like RPG character to me. Like I'm I've done that kind of thing, you know, where you're like, oh, okay, so we're we're in the we're in the warm, we're in the Warhammer world. Uh I'm creating my character. I want him to be like a vampire hunter or witch hunter. Also, I guess I want him to have a katana, um, because that's the coolest sword. So that that's what my guy does, you know, because this is this is it's really cheesy uh and really silly, but in a in a good way, in a fun way, I think. Um yeah, I think the one of those guys who so there's like a because the ruffians in the bar just sort of appear out of nowhere, cause a bit of trouble for no reason, and then essentially they're an excuse for for Captain Cronus to to take 'em out. They've kind of been paid off, haven't they?

SPEAKER_02 43:51

They've probably been bribed to to to to to get in a fight with him and see if they can maybe do something with it. But they're

SPEAKER_00 44:00

Also like totally inconsequential because he because he kind of sets them up as like so they're they're ru they're hassling like the the women in the bar and they're kind of like oh these guys are gonna be a bit of a problem for Kronos. But there's I guess it sets up that actually Kronos is so far above just ruffians, like he's ready for the proper vampire. Yeah, because they're trying to scene. Yes, yeah. Which does pay off later on. Yeah, whether or not the choreography is good, there is a cool fight scene later on where he's his like sword player becomes there is a fight scene later on. There is a fight scene later on, yes, cool or not, that it uses his amazing sword skills, right? Yes, but there is some really cool, like there is some very legitimately, I think, cool and well like composed shots and sequences. There's a lot of really nice use of light and dark, there's a lot of really nice use of like the frame. So there's loads of stuff where there'll be lots of other things in the frame that draw the eye as well, and kind of give certain certain scenes have this kind of oppressive feel, uh, and you know, because there's all this stuff around going on, and you don't quite know, okay, where are the vampires and what are they up to. So I think all of that works really like it feels like someone's really putting a lot of effort into, even though it's hobbled in certain ways, like like the main performance like Kronos himself, yeah. Like I think the actor's okay, like the the physical actor, the dubbing which was done by uh Julian Holloway, is perfectly good, but it that disconnect between you know it's literally someone else doing the voice, you can feel it, so it kind of adds a certain like you know, it it makes the whole film feel a little bit cheaper than it would otherwise, I think, which is a shame. Agreed, yeah. Um, but then you have like Kronos has a right-hand man, so like a hunched back sort of uh cart a guy who rides the cart, who sort of comes with him on his travels, and it's the two of them together, and he's he sort of helps him work stuff out and knows lots about vampire lore, and he you know, so obviously Kronos does all the physical stuff, he does a lot of the mental stuff.

SPEAKER_02 46:12

He's the brains behind the operating. He's the brains behind the operators, yeah. Yeah, Professor Gross.

SPEAKER_00 46:17

Yes, um, and there's some really nice stuff with so like Gross gets insulted by those ruffians, and the way in which that like Kronos is is like really respects his friend and like won't take it on his behalf, it's just like it's like quite nice. You know, stuff like that is really nice, it builds the rubber.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

I mean not very 1974, really.

SPEAKER_00 46:36

Sure, yeah. Yeah, he's he's quite um open-minded in a way, I suppose, as well.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

Very, very yeah, and Gross is a little bit oversad afterwards for a man of his age, it's almost like it's the first time anyone's ever taken the mick out of his hunchback. But I'm getting there trying to make a point.

SPEAKER_00 46:54

He's just been he's being worn down by some of these ruffians, you know, when you go to a town and they're just jerks about it. So yeah, but like yeah, again, it's it's is in order for us to see the um like the empathetic side of Kronos and and you know to to grow to like him as a man. Um of the stuff that I really enjoyed was like the little detection methods and some of the cool little tricks they do to try and work out where the vampires are, what the vampires are the toads, yes, I love this. So there so they have a little rhyme which I've written down because I thought it was really good. So they they they put a dead toad into a box and then they bury the box in the ground, and they'll do this like across the pathways in the forest. And the reason for that is that if a vampire should bestrode close to the grave of a dead toad, then the vampire life shall give, and suddenly the toad shall live. I r I love this. This is super cheesy, but I absolutely adore it. So the idea you put these dead toads into the boxes, and then if a vampire walks over or near the box, when you open the box up later on, the toad will be alive now. So you go back and check. I it's so good. It's because it's it's such a weirdly specific, it feels very folkloric, it feels like uh you know, like a real thing, and it's uh it's just really specific and odd. Just such an odd thing, even having this weird little rhyme is so strange that it makes it feel quite like and I know this sounds ridiculous, makes it feel more realistic to me.

SPEAKER_02 48:37

Yes, yeah, no, no, I I agree. And even in in the film, it was it was the the explainer for it is this is an old like an old wives' tale, essentially, but sometimes they are the best and they are true.

SPEAKER_01 48:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Um the rhyme I'm not so much of a fan of. It does sound like you're gonna the first two lines sounds like it could turn into a limerick, but luckily it luckily it doesn't. Um but I I I do love the concept and the that I thought it was it was a nice little extra scene which um made them do more hunting and brains rather than just the the flashy Kronos um with the woman on arm always um yeah chasing after the vampires.

SPEAKER_00 49:16

Yeah, yeah, I like that that's absolutely right. It it makes it into like a more investigative, so there's more actual like we need to work these things out, and I I'm a big fan of that. I think that's much cooler and more interesting that you have to sort of you know and you see this in like black library novels, right? Like uh the w witch hunter novels and stuff like that, where you you it's not just given to you on a silver platter, yes, they're action stories a lot of the time, but you also need to have like moments of realization and working out who the villain was and where they are. So in this in this movie, there's a couple of like creepy siblings who are hanging around the graveyard who are like aristocrats, and and there's kind of a suspicion cast on them because perhaps they you've got you know, maybe they're the vampires and stuff. Um like because they they all constantly go into the graveyard to see their father's grave and things like that. They will ultimately be revealed to both be human, but it is their parents who are the vampires. The the mother is has been like building up power to bring the the dead father back. So that's the kind of final reveal. But you kind of get a nice little bit of like red herrings with those misdirects, and you're not quite sure. There's a bit of peril. So one of so Kronos has sort of has saved a woman and she's ended up joining his party with Gaurst, and then she goes into this house later on, to the mansion, uh, and stays overnight, puts herself at risk so that Kronos can then you know finally determine if the vampires are in there. So all of that stuff I think is really is neat. And there's also a very cool thing where Kronos has to forge because they work out that you need a certain like you need iron, uh like like blessed iron in order to kill these particular vampires. So he takes an iron cross and then melts it down and reforges it into a sword overnight, and it's just like, yes, this is cool. This guy's tough. I mean I'm a fan of Kronos.

SPEAKER_02 51:15

It is good, it is good, and again, so Warhammer-ish, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 51:20

It is, it really in in it in at its sort of silliest and and and funniest, kind of pulpy version of Warhammer, that that you you definitely feel a lot of that. I actually did, I really liked the duel at the end. So the the the sort of slight zombie vampire um aristocrat who does come back, they then have a duel. Because there's a really good bit when the the um the lady vampire is sort of transfixed with her own power, they sort of trick her into transfixing herself, so she can't move, so then the it's just the the the recently returned husband and Kronos who have to have their sword fight, which I think is great. Like it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 52:04

But they've already set it up that he knew that the the husband back in his army days, or knew knew him to be a good swordsman and a fierce opponent. So you're pitting these someone that's got a history of being a great swordsman with someone you've seen to be a great swordsman in a tavern fight, so clearly both excellent military swordsmen, and they build that up. I I think it doesn't matter because the film is what it is, it's the quality that it is. But you you do notice having watched modern-day films when they have professional swordsmasters on training people, this feels like if they'd given me and you some swords and said, right something that looks like the jewel kind of thing that we might have been able to come up with. It's a bit slow and a bit kind of, but uh it doesn't matter. I'm I'm taking the mick out of it in a in an affectionate way, but it's um it's it's it's not dynamic.

SPEAKER_00 52:59

No, it's not. I mean, and and that is it's those kinds of moments when the rough edges sort of show through and the the kind of you know, this is 70s hammer horror, it is not like their best work, essentially. Yeah, but this was you know, they were attempting to go in a new direction, so there'd have been a lot of struggles going into the 70s at Hammer. They wanted to move into like okay, can we create a new franchise? Can we go and try something else? It didn't work out, Captain Kronos was not particularly successful, but it's set up with Kronos and Gorst to basically be uh it's James Bond, right? It's it's vampire hunting James Bond that go off and would have been great. I think it would have been a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 53:39

I wish there was more because I will I would go and watch more now.

SPEAKER_00 53:42

I absolutely I would rush to the video store to rent out Captain Cronos 2 if it existed. Because yeah, it it it's completely set up for like what would be their next adventure. Now, interestingly, in 1976, they did do a three-part comic book sequel, so I'm very intrigued to check that out.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

Oh, that's interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:05

Yeah, and then get this in 2018. The comic book version was revived by none other than Dan Abnet. Oh, wow, okay, which I also I've not read it, but I really want to read both of those two comic book series. I think that uh like I just want because I would love to. I think this is a really fun world. Sure, you know, it there are times when it's cheap, there's times when it's trashy, there's times when it's sort of you know rough, but also it is inventive and it is fun, and they are trying to do something different with like vampire lore and vampire hunters, and yeah, the main guy isn't perfect, but it's also like he looks good, he looks like a cool vampire hunting captain, and yeah, there's uh like I I really enjoyed it. I had a I had such a good time with this. I'm I'm a big fan, I'm I'm a proper Kronos head now.

SPEAKER_02 54:59

Yeah, if I knew there were more hammer horror things that were very much like this, I would probably watch some more. It's it's an interesting what you said about Dan Abner there, that it's not quite full circle, but the the the path of maybe inspired some Warhammer and it's gone on this path and go back to an author that's obviously goes well beyond Warhammer, but in many ways definitely became more famous because of writing for for for Warhammer in modern Warhammer history. It's kind of so it's it's crazy that he he's written stuff. I'm gonna have to look those up myself, actually.

SPEAKER_00 55:34

So yeah, yeah. But um just just really like really interesting. I mean the the artist, so it was Ian Gibson, the Judge Dread artist who did the 76 um the 76 sequel series, and Ian Gibson obviously as a Judge Dread artist worked on the games workshop Judge Dread board game, did the cover for that as well. So there's like there's a there's a couple of more direct links, but yeah, I mean the fact that Rick Priestley has cited this and said, you know what, that is a film that speaks to our sort of original approach to Warhammer. Yeah, Warhammer goes in many different directions. I think one of the great things about Warhammer Fantasy is that it is it's proper horror at the same time as proper fantasy at the same time as proper spoof and satire and silliness. So it has the Lord of the Rings, but it also has Board of the Rings in there as well. Like it's got both sides of that stuff, and I think that this film does that as well. There's there's silly silly stuff in this movie, but there's also some pretty cool horror ideas, and there's some pretty clever like detective elements, and then there's some flashy action scenes as well, you know, it is doing a lot of different things and kind of pulling them together. I so I I I would highly recommend that for anybody who is like open-minded to this, you know, still cheap 70s or relatively cheap 70s movies, you're not gonna be getting MCU level production values or what have you. But you are gonna get a charming, I think, a charming little adventure movie.

SPEAKER_02 57:08

Yeah, for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 57:10

Yeah. Well, I think, you know, they are very different movies, but in in like in the way in which they both sort of have, you know, they maybe have their slightly stiff but somehow endearing lead actors, and they have their rough around the edges trashiness and their kind of certain forgettable elements. But I think both movies are also quite inventive at times, and and at the bottom line is I at least think that they're both good fun, like and they're also both very violent at times as well.

SPEAKER_02 57:44

Yes, yes, and they're they're both funny. I've just been thinking that the connection with with Books Club again, with with what we did with the original GW books, both of these could be short stories within those Warhammer books. So obviously, the Kronos would be a fantasy Wolfruff style adventure, and uh Running Man would fit directly in as a dark future story, and we could have been talking about these as written short stories in those anthologies that we did as part of the books club, and it would they feel that they would fit into it, which uh that wasn't the intention when I chose mine, and I'm sure it wasn't the intention when you chose there's a connection there, but it feels like we've discussed similar kind of stories that we have done many, many times before, which I think is quite quite interesting.

SPEAKER_00 58:33

I think that's bang on, yeah. I think that's exactly right. I totally agree. And you wouldn't even have to change an awful lot to make either work.

SPEAKER_02 58:42

Nothing, I don't think. Nothing because it because if you're if it the visuals for Kronos, he really is just changing a couple of swords, making them a bit wider, maybe, and changing changing his military jacket for a slightly uh two one that looked 200 years older or something, because most of the rest of the clothing kind of fits with with Wolf Fantasy anyway. There's there's next to nothing that you'd need to change at all. Um and then well, for for for running man, you probably don't. You could just call that you could just slap dark future on there, and it's sure that could literally just be in one of the cities, right?

SPEAKER_00 59:16

In one of the uh in one of the I I forget what the cities were called now, but the actual um EZ I'm gonna I'm gonna be thinking about that all night now. What what the P PZs, I think they were called PZs, yes.

SPEAKER_02 59:32

Yes, PZs. PZs, yeah, PZs, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like patrol zones, that's what it was. Yeah, so the sort of safe cities. You absolutely could just have the running man take place. And and there's a there's even the there is a short story in the Route 666 collection that is literally like you say, it's about a TV show and it's about what I loved and you didn't like as much as I think. Yeah, I didn't like it too much at the time, but I'm reassessing now post running man. I'm back in on that. But yeah, you know, the 2000 AD style stories, this kind of like satirical TV tales that could take place within these elements uh of of the world. And yeah, I think you're right. I think that these these are both movies that speak to a certain sort of like type of story that fits very nicely in in early earlier games workshop work.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:24

Yes, yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:26

Yeah, well, I think this has been a lot of fun, Stu. So thank you so much for joining me. Um thank you for having me on. Any time, yeah, because I think that's some great choices there, and I think it's been uh some really really fun stuff to draw around. On the next episode of the Warhammer Film Club, I'm joined by Andy, aka the Remembrancer, to chat about sci fi horrors, virus, and life force. And you can listen to the entire season right now at patreon.comslash Jordansorcery.