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Why Smart Women Podcast
Do the Dead listen? Pt.1
Grief makes us vulnerable to manipulation, and no one knows this better than Susan Gerbic, the renowned psychic investigator who joins Annie McCubbin to expose the predatory world of mediumship. This eye-opening conversation reveals how self-proclaimed mediums specifically target women experiencing loss, creating dependent relationships that keep them trapped in grief rather than helping them heal.
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Hang on, so, hang on. So the psychic, the medium themselves, has been attending classes to how to be a medium. Yes, there's medium classes.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, they're quite expensive. Yes, what is this?
Speaker 1:What you can learn to be a medium. What the hell you are listening to the why Smart Women podcast, the podcast that helps smart women work out why we repeatedly make the wrong decisions and how to make better ones. From relationships, career choices, finances, to faux fur jackets and kale smoothies. Every moment of every day, we're making decisions. Let's make them good ones.
Speaker 1:I'm your host, annie mccubbin, and, as a woman of a certain age, I've made my own share of really bad decisions. Not my husband, I don't mean him, though. I did go through some shockers to find him and I wish this podcast had been around to save me from myself. This podcast will give you insights into the working of your own brain, which will blow your mind. I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land in which I'm recording and you are listening on this day. Always was, always will be Aboriginal land. Well, hello smart women and welcome back to the why Smart Women podcast. Today I'm in Sydney, australia, doing this recording, and I am talking to my very good friend, susan Gerbic, who is in the USA, in California, and we are going to be talking about her special interest, which is scamming of women through psychics, and I'm very excited to be talking about this because it is something that is close to my heart and which has always driven me 100%, totally insane. Hello Susan.
Speaker 2:Hi there, it's so great to see you. It's been a year or two, right Well we met at the Skeptics Conference in what?
Speaker 1:November 23? That's right. And then you weren't there last year, which was disappointing for me. You and Melanie Tracett King weren't there, but I was there, and now we're into 25 and maybe they'll get you back this year.
Speaker 2:Well, it is probably only every two or three years before they'll send me back. I don't want people to get sick of me or anything like that.
Speaker 1:We could never get sick of you. We need your voice.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're so kind.
Speaker 1:Can you please explain to me how you washed up as being a? What do we call you a psychic? What?
Speaker 2:I assume you could call me a psychic investigator. Yep, psychic investigator, I mean, there's many. I've been called many things. I bet you have.
Speaker 1:I have been too. Just saying Anybody who actually comes across as someone who is pro-critical thinking generally is severely disliked by certain members of the community. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 2:Yes, I would agree with that, depending on which world we're talking about UFOs or facilitated communication or anti-vaccine they all have their own little niche of hate. For me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah me too. Welcome, welcome to us. So how did you end up being this person who debunks? How did you end up here? I'm interested.
Speaker 2:Well, the world that I'm from had nothing to do with where I'm at now. I was a retail salesperson who specialized in photography of young people for 37 years.
Speaker 2:But, along the way, I developed an interest in scientific skepticism, found Skeptical Inquirer magazine and fast forward a long ways. I attended a conference where the topic was about speaking to the dead, and there I found my little niche. I loved it. It was so interesting. I mean, if the topic had been UFOs or crystal healing or something like that, I probably would be involved in that, but it just came that way. In 2009, I met up on a cruise with my partner, mark Edward, who was a mentalist and he was a psychic entertainer. He worked for the Psychic Friends Network, he wrote the book on psychics, he infiltrated the psychic world and he was an expert on psychics, and so Mark and I became a couple for 15 years.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry to hear about his passing. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2:Well, we knew it was going to happen, and it was. You know we're dealing, I'm dealing with it as well as I can. He died on international psychic day, by the way.
Speaker 1:No, and yet none of the psychics knew that was going to happen, right?
Speaker 2:so, um, you know, mark, and I did a lot of, uh, psychic stuff. You know we made videos, we um put together stings and you, you know, wrote about them. It was just kind of my world and I'm continuing to do that. I have a YouTube channel that's called Psychics Explained and on that YouTube channel I break down readings into the details of what's going on in the readings and over time, I've changed my mind a bit about how mediumship the world is. It is how I feel about the women who's mostly all women who are psychics or pretending to be psychics or working as psychics, and the people who are the victims, and it's been a fascinating journey. It's taken me a few years, but I think I'm I'm at a new point in my life now where I feel like I have a better understanding now.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, just so everybody who's listening is clear, susan is a debunker of psychics. That is her that she's predisposed to debunk, and she's part of the big skeptics community of the big skeptics community, as many people that have come on the podcast are, and all of us are trying to work in areas where we believe that vulnerable people are targeted by shysters. So this is the area, and Susan's specialty happens to be in psychics. So I just want to ask you before we start, because when I was in my 20s, I used to go to psychics, as most of my friends did, and I just wanted to ask you so what's the big deal? What's the problem?
Speaker 2:Where's the harm in going to a psychic? Well, if you're going to go and go to a Halloween festival or get a tarot reading or you're just dabbling in table turning or seance or all that, that's fine. It's an art form in a lot of ways. What ends up happening is that some people will become fall under the will, fall under it and they will end up becoming more addicted to it. And then my actual experience, my actual expertise, is the mediums. Those are people who claim to be able to communicate to the dead. I don't think it's comforting to lie to people and I think that it's wrong to manipulate people, and so there's a lot of harm.
Speaker 2:What I really specialize in is the unnamed psychic mediums that you don't really know a lot about, those people who are operating on Zoom and they have a following of.
Speaker 2:You know a few hundred people that kind of person because they think they're speaking to. You know further other believers and they become a part of a community with these mediums. And what I'm finding, as I'm infiltrating this and recording their videos and of their readings as well as I'm getting readings, I'm finding that they're giving them financial advice, medical advice, and they're not allowing them to move on with their grief. So a lot of the people, especially mostly all women, are in grief and when you see what they're doing to these people not like a John Edward, those kind of people, tyler Henry and so on those are that's kind of a different type of psychic medium. They are mediums claiming to speak to the dead, but they're not trying to get a hook in a person. They've got millions of dollars, they just want to do a reading and be done with it. These other mediums I'm interested in are the type that want to have you come back week after week and get readings and they give you advice and so on. Those people are manipulating women.
Speaker 1:So it's almost like these women are in a therapeutic relationship with a medium. Is that?
Speaker 2:right? Yes, that's true, but the difference is when you're seeking out a therapist which is a good idea if you're in grief or if you need advice you are usually talking to somebody who has a license, somebody who's gone through some sort of ethics, ethics, somebody who has an oversight board over them, and you know you're seeing seeking out a professional person, whereas with mediums they're. They think they're providing expertise and guidance and so on, but these people have no degrees, they have no ethics, they are also have no oversight and they're speaking to the dead. So there's well, they claim to be speaking to the dead, so they are coming from a position of authority. It's like speaking to a Pope or something you know. And then this is they're not on the same level as a therapist, because a therapist is, you know, an average person who's gone to school and gotten their license. The. A medium is not.
Speaker 1:This is somebody, if you believe in it is communicating with dead people so okay, so I've, let's just, let's just say I've, um, I've just lost somebody very close to me, and then I would get on to one of these. So for listeners that aren't around this stuff, a medium is just someone who is like, how does the word arisen? It's like a medium between the living and the dead.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's about right. So a psychic may not be a medium. So a psychic may not try to communicate with the dead. So a medium communicates with the dead. So what we say say the rule is all mediums claim to be psychic, but not all psychics claim to be mediums okay, so, right.
Speaker 1:So a psychic might say to you you're going to come into a fortune and meet your partner on a beach holiday Yep, yep, correct, right. And a medium will say to you I'm talking to your dead husband and he says not to worry and to invest a whole lot of money in this particular sort of shares. Is it that sort of thing? Yes, right, okay, so. And then they exact, they will exact to finance, so then they will charge them something to do this, week after week yes, of course there's money involved, but the but it's not about the money, it's about power.
Speaker 2:It's about power over women, it's about influence and it's about feeling like you are helping. And, um, you know some, some of these mediums seem to be bored and just like the influence. So it's not so much the money that's the problem, which everybody seems to focus on. It's about this. What they're doing to the women is is manipulation. So possibly some of these people are narcissistic or sociopaths I don't know, but they come across that way to me after I've been watching them for hours. But some genuinely think they're helping out and some of these mediums are also trapped in a cycle where they believe they're mediums because they've taken a lot of classes and those classes and workshops and books and so on have convinced them that they're mediums, so it's kind of like they're pressured into it as well. I've I've attended readings where, for example, one woman she was on a gallery reading and a psychic.
Speaker 2:You know a gallery reading where they're on a Zoom call, where there's a whole gallery of them, got it there's, you know, like a Zoom. That's where a lot of them are. And it's easy for me to watch gallery readings and for me to attend gallery readings. I can just blend in with all the other women. Too funny, too funny. They have no idea there and I can record it. So it's easy, as opposed to actually going physically and sitting in the seat.
Speaker 2:But what one woman said was where have you been? To this young mother? And she says, well, I've been busy with the kids and so on. And she says, well, spirit wants you to come back to classes, your dad wants you to come back to classes, and she was guilted into it. And she's like we dad wants you to come back to classes, and she was guilted into it. And she's like, well, I'll try to come back Now her father, her dad, is dead. And so the psychic is using this medium, is using spirit, with a capital S and a dead father to guilt this woman into coming back to her lessons. And a lot that I'm seeing are falling for this mediumship nonsense, and taking the workshops in the classes are women, a lot of young so hang on.
Speaker 1:So the psychic, the medium themselves, has been attending classes to how to be.
Speaker 2:There's, there's medium classes oh yes, they're quite, quite expensive. Yeah what?
Speaker 1:you can learn to be a medium. What the hell. And what there's books. Oh my god, what happens in a class?
Speaker 2:I want to know it's. There is so much money in this. So each medium has their own workshops. So they put out books, they put out podcasts podcasts they are YouTube channels and you know you can buy into the patronage just like any other YouTube channel or any other influencer of sorts. And then they want you to go to their classes and they want you to sign on.
Speaker 2:And then of course, this woman, who's probably a stay at home mom, who is not making a lot of money herself in other areas she wants to be able to continue living at home you know, staying home with her child and so she buys into these classes becomes a medium. And then, once they've invested their time and money into it and of course, they're in this closed community where everybody believes it then they put out their shingle and they're on TikTok or Instagram or wherever, and they're a medium now. And then they start bringing in income and everybody tells them how amazing they are, so they buy into it and now we have another medium. So some of these people really believe that they are mediums because they've invested so much time and money into it and now they're in a community that supports them.
Speaker 1:So it's like a combination of confirmation bias and motivated reasoning right.
Speaker 2:I want to invest the money in it, yeah yeah, so it's.
Speaker 1:It's that fallacy of uh lost. Oh, it's it. No, no, I know what you're talking about. It's um, sunk cost, sunk cost yeah, that's it sunk cost.
Speaker 2:It's sunk cost. Invested a bunch of money in it. You want to make your money back, so, yeah, so just okay.
Speaker 1:So there'll be people that are listening to this podcast today, that are hearing us, and I'll be thinking well, that's all very well, but I have been to either a medium or a psychic and they were unbelievably accurate and they knew stuff that I absolutely they could not have known unless they were either psychic or they're in contact with the dead. So how do they do that, susan?
Speaker 2:well, first off, if I had a dollar for every time, somebody told me that I would be wealthy, me too. So, okay, what? And I have videos on my channel that show exactly this happening.
Speaker 2:People do not make recordings of their readings. They go to the reading. They are emotional, they're caught up either in grief or they're caught up in just the feeling of going and having somebody speak to the dead or have whatever kind of psychic reading they had. They're not taking notes, they are just trying to to remember, and what they find out is that what they say they heard and what actually happened are two different things. So unless you have some sort of recording, you you know, just just calm down, there, there's, that's not what happened. I guarantee that's not what's going on. So there's a lot of wordplay in mediumship readings, like what Well, they word it so that it makes it sound like they know something, like you could say so who's Robert? And then the person say, oh well, you know my brother. Yes, that's your brother. They just respond very quickly, confirming it as if that was your brother.
Speaker 1:They just respond very quickly, confirming it as if that was your brother so if I go to you say and I say, um look, I just, I just need some guidance, um, because I've lost my job, and um, I don't know, what do you see in my future?
Speaker 2:I would just give you some sort of gobbledygook. Um, you know something like a best friend might give you. You know you can do this. It's not so bad. What are your talents? Take some time out for yourself, get a puppy.
Speaker 1:You know they're gonna just give you that yeah okay yeah, well, I knew you like dogs.
Speaker 2:There's a dog in your past that when you were little. Do you remember your little, the one that was brown?
Speaker 1:I do remember. Actually, she was brown and white. Yeah, I do remember that. That's what.
Speaker 2:I'm seeing that's right and there she is, because you said the word she, I didn't say the word she.
Speaker 1:And also while you're there, do you remember? I just wondered what my grandmother thinks about what's going on with me at the moment.
Speaker 2:Right. So you're just told me that your grandmother's dead and that you had a relationship with your grandmother. So I would just say well, you know she's watching over you there is something about a birthday there's a birthday?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, yeah, well, my cousin's having a birthday, was it? It's a birthday? Yeah, she's. Yeah, yeah, that's your cousin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they just they just know when you've done a thousand readings or tens of thousands of readings, it comes out very glib and quick. And when you are a I call it a motivated sitter, that is a person who's motivated to get a really good reading. So you're going to gloss over mistakes and you're going to hear what you want to hear, to hear what you want to hear. And so it's not. It's not what you think, where you know. You come out of it feeling like, oh, she knew about my dog Betsy, who is a brown and white dog. Now, how could she possibly have known that I have when I was a little girl? There's no way that she could have looked that up on social media. How did she know that? There's no way she could know that, except if she's a psychic medium. But anybody listening to this also.
Speaker 2:I said was did you? You had a dog when you were little, because you said you love dogs. And then I said a brown one. And you said, yeah, my brown dog with it was white and it was a girl. So I just I didn't say that you had a brown female dog, brown and white female dog. You said that. I just agreed. But people misremember and so you know it's if psychics I like to give it this way what's missing? If psychics and mediums were real, then why would we need? I mean, who warned us about covid? I mean millions, tens of millions of people dead and life's ruined and economies struggling and people, kids now have, struggling with education. Why didn't anybody warn us? Nobody did. No one did wildfires in la no, nobody warned us cyclones in australia.
Speaker 1:We've just had some terrible cyclones in northern new south wales and queensland. Yeah, so I think, um, because I listened to um steven novella from the skeptics guide to the universe, and he talks a lot about special pleading. So if we put you in a controlled environment and say, can you please do this trick or can you actually read something? Well, they can't because there's doubters in the room. And if there's doubters in the room, then it's very, very hard to speak to spirit. Is that right?
Speaker 2:Well, that's what they say Any kind of excuse they can come up with, except that I go to mediums and I am a skeptic and I have recordings of me getting readings and they give me a reading all the time. It's not right, but they give me a reading all the time. It's not right, but they give me readings. I mean, whatever part I'm playing, they just read me as that person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think it's. It's interesting what you said about, um, they're motivated sitters because you know, to that, that point of motivated reasoning, I want it, I desperately want this to be right. I want to feel better. So I'm highly motivated to cherry pick the data, to excise anything that they've said that doesn't fit and then confirmation bias my way through it. So they've just really these medium psychics have really just plugged in to these cognitive biases, haven't they? They're just smart enough to plug into them.
Speaker 2:Right. And then if you add in that a lot of these people women mostly, all women are in grief, if you're talking about mediumship, you know their mothers died, their child's died, you know their husband's recently died, you're not thinking critically, you just aren't. And if you come from a background of religion where you believe in an afterlife, well then you're already primed because you have. If you believe in life after death, if you believe in demons and angels and all all that kind of thing which christian religions teach, then it's just a little baby step away from that belief to believing that somebody, somebody, somewhere can communicate with the dead. So why would it? It's not much of a stretch of their imagination. And then add in grief, frustration, loneliness.
Speaker 2:The pandemic was just incredible, incredibly difficult for women. They're either their home. They didn't know how to use Zoom. They couldn't go to their social outlets, they couldn't go to church, they couldn't do a lot of things, their kids couldn't get around them, their grandkids had to stay away and it was scary and frightening, and they couldn't go to funerals like they did so, or weddings or anything. So if you had a funeral, you didn't really get to say goodbye in the way that you traditionally did. So the pandemic really messed with a lot of people, especially women, who were at home and and did had no outlets outside of you know what they used to do, so it was very cruel to them and I think that we saw an uptick in a lot of mediumship, people becoming mediums during the pandemic, because you don't need a website, you don't need to have an account, you don't need to have a tax ID number. You just go on to TikTok and Instagram and so on and you just call yourself Ms. Ms.
Speaker 1:Or whatever, yeah, and you start doing readings and you'll make money and it's all cash yep, yeah, when I was talking to ben um, we were talking about the gender differences in what conspiracy or what supernatural area people sort of invest in, and that men are more likely to believe in Bigfoot and women are more likely to leave to believe in crystals, um, alternative medicine and psychics. And why do you? Why do you think that is? Why are women particularly vulnerable?
Speaker 2:you know, it's a I think there's a PhD out there for somebody who wants to do an investigation into this.
Speaker 2:Because conspiracy theories, flat earth and, as you said, bigfoot, ufo, that's all male I know I know, but women do tend to be more into the spiritualism and, as you say, wellness, possibly because their role models, you know bell gibson and and so on. I know Belle Gibson is, you know, this attractive young woman. She looks healthy. Well, she was healthy. She didn't have any of the helmets that she said she had, yeah, and so women want to be that kind of person, you know, popular and and confident. And so I think our role models in certain areas help, you know, influence it. Plus, the media really pushes it. I mean women's magazines and women's shows, oprah and a lot of the daytime shows that used to be on when I was younger. They have mediums on and psychics.
Speaker 1:I still do. There's been one recently, of course. There's been one recently on a morning TV show and also somebody going through the star signs. I'm like what are we doing? What are we doing to women? It's like it sells. Sorry, yo, yo, yo, yes, listeners, of course the dogs are here listening to this. Yo, yo could be a psychic.
Speaker 2:Your dog is telling me yeah. Your dog is telling me, yeah, it's a little scratch behind the ear.
Speaker 1:Okay, you're incredibly intuitive, susan. How did you pick that up? You should set up your own mediumship. I could make millions. Yeah, I know I could. I was telling Ben actually that, uh, when I was 22, I was stuck on a Greek island with no money and, um, I thought, oh, I know, I'll say I'm a psychic, a palm reader, that's what it was and that I happened to, um, the first person that came, I happened to say you were twin and they were oh well, I didn't know, I didn't know anything, it's because there was two.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that. Um, anyway, I happened to say you were twin and uh, she was, and that just set me up, and then I just blabbed on and got enough money to buy Retsina.
Speaker 2:So it's not well your odds are one in 12 that she could have been a Gemini. So you know you can win. Or you could say, I mean, even if she had gotten wrong I mean psychics can't get it wrong because if you had said, are you a twin? Then you could maybe there's a twin in the family somewhere and she would say, oh no, not me, but my mom's a twin or my aunt's a twin or you know, or I thought I was going to have twins, or I, you know, to a motivated sitter.
Speaker 2:They're trying to make a connection so they can connect. Yeah, so they get this reading and because we're humans, we like to relate to each other, so we're going to give them the benefit of the doubt. We don't want to see somebody fail. So it could have been a lot out. You got lucky that she was a twin, I got super lucky. Could be a lot of different things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know if, if that had happened and you weren't skeptically minded, that one instance, that one instance that happened to you might have been the, might have set you off in a career that you continued and you'd be, you'd own your own island right now, like by now, instead of being a poor sceptic, with sceptical books that I've written and an acting career behind me, I could actually have made money because I'm good at talking to people and I was going to say about these sceptics that not the sceptics, that these mediums and psychics are often charismatic, and we do know that in the face of charisma, critical thinking is suspended.
Speaker 1:So they've really, as I said, they've really just plugged in to the brain's floors and it's like alternate medicine. It's disgraceful. It is disgraceful To your point point. These people are grief struck and they need to be going to someone who can actually assist them and support them in dealing with the grief, so they can have the grief, move through the grief and get on with their lives, and instead they're being dragged into these environments and being lied to. It's terrible.
Speaker 2:They want them to remain stuck. So again, I'm talking about the mediums that are not the TV mediums like Teresa Caputo or John Edward or those. I'm talking about these mom and pop kind of psychics. And it's all mom, it's not pop. But what they're doing is they are telling people, you know, not to move from their location, not to Well.
Speaker 2:They don't say don't move or don't don't do this, don't do that. What they're saying is your husband's here and he, he sees your shoes under his shoes, under the bed, and he loves that. He thinks he sometimes he's in the kitchen with you and you have the music on and you're dancing around. He's there dancing with you. He has such good memories of that kitchen and he knows that you kept his cowboy hat or his guitar.
Speaker 2:So what happens in those situations is that the woman is unable to move Because this is where he's lingering, and they're unable to get rid of his belongings his hat, his shoes, his guitar to sell them or give them away, because he's watching and seeing those and he likes seeing those around him. Also, they're not able to move into new relationships because their loved one is always still watching over them. Oh, it's so creepy. Well, yeah, how do you have relationships with other people in the future if you're always being watched by your mom, grandma or your loved one? You know yourselves and so these women. What's happening is, yeah, it's comfortable in the moment, but it's not good for them to move through.
Speaker 2:Like you said, you go to a therapist, you get some, you figure out some coping mechanisms. They help you out, you move on. You know death is part of life, but to these other people they're stuck and it's like a cycle or just constantly reinforced. I mean, how can you deal with grief If you think that you pay, you know, 100 bucks to a medium and you're talking to your son? I mean, how can you, how can you move on and deal with that when your son is just 100 dollars away and you just keep going to the medium and he's got a new story to tell you. He's been watching over you, he knows what you're growing in the garden and he likes that shirt you're wearing. I mean, how, how can you, how can you stop having?
Speaker 1:that it's like a drug. It also would feel like a betrayal, wouldn't it?
Speaker 2:Well, you can't stop, yeah. So what ends up happening is when the mediums, some of the mediums, what they'll do is they'll say well, I know this. What I think you should be doing is you should be becoming a medium yourself, because I know you have that within your powers. I have these classes and I have these lessons and I have these books and you can attend the seminars, and there's tons of them. I mean, you could go to a workshop every day, practically, if you wanted to go through the cycle of all the different things that psychic mediums offer. And her friend has a class and her other friend has a class, and you know, you just become a medium yourself. Then you start channeling your son. You're thinking I'm going to save some money because I'll just channel my son myself. I won't go through a medium.
Speaker 2:But no, it doesn't end that way. You still have to have medium readings and you still have to have classes and workshops and so on. So it becomes that cycle again. So these women are being preyed upon over and over. But you know, when you're in grief, you're not again, not making good decisions sometimes, and then, whenever you've already bought into it your culture, your family, the people around you that you're hanging out with. Now they're all part of this community and so now you were lonely and you felt left behind because your spouse left. And now you have new people to talk to, who all understand grief because they're in it themselves. And again it becomes. You don't want to get out of it because why?
Speaker 1:This is now your new family and so back to that notion that, um, uh, the medium has said to me well, um, your son or your husband, his shoes are under the bed and you know his hat's there and he's dancing with you in the in the kitchen. So is that so? And then the person is stuck and they can't move on. Does the medium not want them to move on? Um, because being stuck physically or geographically in a place then extends to them being stuck um sort of psychologically as well. Is that the, the premise behind that.
Speaker 2:Well, why would you want to get rid of one of your clients? So you're going to, you're not going to tell them okay, it's all good, your husband has said that he wants you to sell the property and to get into a relationship with a new person and get rid of all his belongings. No, why would he do that? They want you to continue all his belongings. No, why would they do that? They want you to continue coming back to them or taking classes and seeing their friend, who's a medium also, and so on. As long as you're stuck, you can't move on. And if you can't move on, then you're still a client a client.
Speaker 1:That is the end of part one of my interview with the wonderful Susan Gerbic about how mediums and psychics take advantage of vulnerable people, of course, predominantly women. Please join me next week for part two, see ya. Thanks for tuning into why Smart Women with me, annie McCubbin. I hope today's episode has ignited your curiosity and left you feeling inspired by my anti-motivational style. Join me next time as we continue to unravel the fascinating layers of our brains and develop ways to sort out the fact from the fiction and the over 6,000 thoughts we have in the course of every day.
Speaker 1:Remember, intelligence isn't enough. You can be as smart as paint, but it's not just about what you know, it's about how you think. And in all this talk of whether or not you can trust your gut, if you ever feel unsafe, whether it's in the street, at work, car park, in a bar or in your own home, please, please respect that gut feeling. Staying safe needs to be our primary objective. We can build better lives, but we have to stay safe to do that. And don't forget to subscribe, rate and review the podcast and share it with your fellow smart women and allies. Together, we're hopefully reshaping the narrative around women and making better decisions. So until next time, stay sharp, stay savvy and keep your critical thinking hat shiny. This is Annie McCubbin signing off from why Smart Women See you later. This episode was produced by Harrison Hess. It was executive produced and written by me, annie McCubbin.
