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Why Smart Women Podcast
Do the Dead listen? Pt.2
Susan Gerbic pulls back the curtain on the secretive world of psychics and mediums, revealing the calculated techniques they use to appear supernaturally gifted. As a professional psychic investigator, she explains the difference between "cold reading" (making educated guesses based on appearance and demographic information) and "hot reading" (researching clients beforehand) – both methods that create the illusion of spiritual communication.
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Can you explain a Barnum statement?
Speaker 2:please Sure. So a Barnum statement would be something like you know. Sometimes you have this you seem to be a people person. I feel like you're really a people person, but sometimes you really like to be by yourself.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's true of me. Yeah, that's right. You are listening to the why Smart Women podcast, the podcast that helps smart women work out why we repeatedly make the wrong decisions and how to make better ones. From relationships, career choices, finances, to faux fur jackets and kale smoothies. Every moment of every day, we're making decisions. Let's make them good ones. I'm your host, annie McCubbin, and, as a woman of a certain age, I've made my own share of really bad decisions. Not my husband, I don't mean him, though. I did go through some shockers to find him and I wish this podcast had been around to save me from myself. This podcast will give you insights into the working of your own brain, which will blow your mind. I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land in which I'm recording and you are listening on this day. Always was, always will be Aboriginal land.
Speaker 1:This is part two of my interview with wonderful Susan Gerbic, who is a psychic and medium investigator, so I'm going to start this episode with an excerpt from book two. So the character I have written lives in an apartment. The residents of the apartment have had a run of bad luck. For example, kat has fallen over trying to manoeuvre the garbage bin, somebody's had a stroke, etc. Etc. Mrs Kovacic, one of her neighbours, enters Kat's apartment without knocking, accompanied by her friend, mrs Bellary, who she has asked to remove the curse on the building. Now, as far as Mrs Kovacic is concerned, it is the only explanation for the run of bad luck and the curse must be removed. Kat doesn't agree, but her protestations are ignored. Hope you enjoy it. Enter, mrs Bellary. The next morning there's a knock on your door. Before you can answer it, mrs Kovacic opens it and ushers in a heavily bejeweled woman in her late 60s. It's winter, but the woman is mopping at her forehead with her handkerchief.
Speaker 3:This is Mrs Bellary says, mrs Kovacic, what happened to your face? That staircase is a killer. She says what's wrong with your lift? It's out of order.
Speaker 1:You should fix it, says Mrs Belleri, pushing past you into your flat Without asking both women take up positions on your couch. Porridge is thrilled. He loves strangers. He leaps onto the couch and deposits his 40 kilo frame into Mrs Bellary's lap I'm sorry you say, pulling him by his collar. He's immovable.
Speaker 4:It's okay, he likes Mrs Bellary says.
Speaker 1:Mrs Kovacic.
Speaker 3:Yes, he likes me. This is a good sign says Mrs Bellary A good sign of what?
Speaker 1:You're starting to wonder how you allowed this incursion to happen.
Speaker 3:When a dog comes to me and sits on my lap, it's a good sign.
Speaker 1:You don't want to tell her that porridge will sit on anyone's lap.
Speaker 4:So what's this? A good sign of.
Speaker 5:Taking off the curse says Mrs Kovacic.
Speaker 1:She puts her arm around Mrs Bellary's shoulders proudly. She's cheapest and best.
Speaker 5:Cheapest and best. I just told you she'd take off curse. I happy to throw in some money. What do you?
Speaker 4:mean you'll throw in some money, who's paying?
Speaker 1:She looks at you.
Speaker 5:You are the curse. Move on to you. It's causing you most trouble.
Speaker 3:I'll give you a good price, says Mrs Bellary.
Speaker 4:Look, Mrs Kovacic thinks there's a curse. I don't. She brought you here under false pretenses. What do?
Speaker 3:you think caused your face trouble.
Speaker 4:I fell trying to get a bin out. Yes, but why it was stuck?
Speaker 5:It's not just bin, says Mrs Kovacic, out of the corner of her mouth. There's all the other stuff.
Speaker 3:I told you about. You think these things just happen out of the blue. Yes, she shakes her head. Also, I can stop the COVID curse visiting the flats again. You sigh.
Speaker 4:Anyway, it was lovely to meet you. I was about to go and walk porridge. What if you're wrong?
Speaker 1:says Mrs Bellary. She examines the ring on her right index finger.
Speaker 4:Well, I'll have to live with that.
Speaker 1:You say you go back to the door and get Porridge's lead. Normally this evokes a flurry of excitement, but now he just looks at you from Mrs Bellary's lap.
Speaker 3:How bad would you feel knowing you could have prevented it and you didn't? I don't believe in curses.
Speaker 4:You lean forward and pat your knees.
Speaker 3:Come on, Porridge. It doesn't matter what you believe. I can remove the curse and nothing more bad will happen.
Speaker 1:You walk over to the couch and grab Porridge by the collar.
Speaker 4:So you'll remove the curse, then nothing more happens. So if nothing happens, I can assume it worked. Seems like you can't lose Well isn't nothing happening a good thing.
Speaker 1:The woman's convoluted logic is killing you.
Speaker 4:Yes, but how do I know it was due to you? What if nothing was going to happen anyway?
Speaker 1:You're trying to clip the lead into Porridge's collar. He's jiggling his head, making it difficult. Leaning over him has hurt your face.
Speaker 4:Porridge settle down.
Speaker 1:Mrs Bellary leans over, takes the lead out of your hand, holds.
Speaker 3:Porridge's face and clips the lead on. Thank you, you've had trouble with a man in the past. I see it. You roll your eyes.
Speaker 4:Wow Media alert.
Speaker 3:Woman has trouble with man. This man sleeps with another woman behind your back. You cry and ring his phone a lot. He takes your remote and tea set. You take him back even though he's bad.
Speaker 4:You've just described the story of pretty much every female over 25. Also, clearly, you've told her everything about the hipster.
Speaker 1:You say to Mrs Kovacic Mrs Kovacic looks aghast at the suggestion. This man will come back to haunt you, we're off, let yourselves out. Mrs Bellary turns to Mrs Kovacic. She's impossible. She says Okay. Kat says Mrs Kovacic, reaching up and taking your hand.
Speaker 5:There is the passing of Mr Yee.
Speaker 1:They both cross themselves.
Speaker 5:There's Mr Kovacic's stroke, there's the scam business, there is the near-death experience with the hairdryer.
Speaker 4:Then you were nearly killed by a garbage truck. I fell. I was nowhere near the garbage truck.
Speaker 1:Mrs Kovacic tuts and turns to Mrs Bellary. She was nearly blinded Charlotte.
Speaker 5:the angel from upstairs saved her sight.
Speaker 1:At this point, Susan comes in through the window.
Speaker 3:This is a sign of the curse, says Mrs Bellary.
Speaker 4:The cat knows. This curse prisoner seems to have a lot of animal involvement.
Speaker 1:Mrs Kovacic is torn. She wants to stay on Mrs Bellary's good side, but she also wants to defend you.
Speaker 5:She's a good girl really. She just doesn't understand curse.
Speaker 3:She'll understand soon enough. Something bad's about to happen to her.
Speaker 1:She picks up her handbag, rummages inside, pulls out a roll of lollies, takes one, puts the lollies back in her bag, pulls out her hanky and mops her forehead. Eventually she stands. You go to the door and open it. Mrs Bellary lumbers across and out onto the landing. Fix the lift. She says after descending two stairs or I won't come back. She says after descending two stairs or I won't come back. Well, I hope you enjoyed that.
Speaker 1:The audio book was performed by Odile Laclasio, Deborah Galanos and Katrina Foster. So we're picking up the interview with Susan Gerbig where she's describing how vulnerable women are sucked into doing courtesan programs to teach them how to be mediums. So, in case you missed last week, a medium is someone who purportedly talks to dead people. I say purportedly because seriously, hello. Anyway, it's sort of like the Sixth Sense, but way less entertaining. Anyway, don't go near mediums and psychics and I hope you enjoy. Thank you, and what? I'm just fascinated because I had no idea, absolutely no idea, that this was such an extensive sort of process. What? What would you do in a medium? What do they teach you to do in? What bullshit do they tell you in a medium class?
Speaker 2:I'm fascinated oh my gosh, there's so many classes.
Speaker 2:So I mean some of the classes I've been to deal with, like the real woo-woo stuff, like you know your chakras and your and your and your energies and your inner lights and your purple, velvet light inside you, I mean some of them are really woo woo, you know, like astrophysical, you know, beaming you to other planets.
Speaker 2:It depends on the psychic. But some of them, some of the classes, are how to really get names, you know how to, how to have um, how to do readings, where you're actually getting more specific, and they don't teach like how to look them up on social media, which is what some psychics do, but what they're doing is it's basically just chanting or um inductions, where you pray and then they say, well, you have to, you have to really concentrate and you have to practice and you have to ask for spirits. I mean it's just like I say gobbledygook, yeah, but each medium does say it in their own way and then, because they all kind of say the same nonsense, it sounds like it must be accurate because Whichever medium you go to, they're still all talking about your chakras and your zones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It depends, and you take another class and then you take another class, and then you take another class. Some talk about what it's like to be in heaven. Some talk about what it's like to move on. What is how the dead, how our loved ones I should call them, not our spirit, people in spirit. I had one I'm following.
Speaker 2:She's talking about reincarnation. I mean, I kid you not, the people in the audience are just nodding their head in agreement as this person talks about how you're reincarnated. And so what's going on is you are in heaven right now with your loved one, but in another reality, they're watching over you and they have these classes in heaven where they, they, they get together with all their little dead friends and they talk about how, oh, my mom, she had got her haircut today. And they say, really, she got her haircut today, today. And they say, really, she got her hair cut today. Yeah, and they're talking about you. They're talking about the living, but also, when you die, you'll go over fresh and you'll be a new person and you can be whatever age you want to be. And then yet there's another reincarnated version. I mean, there's like all these versions of you in heaven, and some people are there, some people are I oh, it blows, my mind yeah, it's absolute nonsense.
Speaker 2:But everybody in the audience is like uh-huh, yeah, yeah and we talked.
Speaker 1:You know I talk a lot about um, the, the brain's, um vulnerability to certainty, and it's the same with alt med. You know, you go to a normal doctor and they don't know. You know they're going to run some tests and they're going to see, and they're not quite sure, but they're going to do the best they can in the interim, take this and we'll see what happens. You go to a naturopath and they're like, oh yeah, 100, you, you've got your. You just need to stop having um dairy and gluten and you'll be fine. Or you need to take this supplement. Right, it's the certainty.
Speaker 1:And I think, when you're sitting in an audience and you've got like-minded people around you, because we're tribal animals, right, and so that sense of belonging. It's the same here in australia with the conspiracy theorists that are still going on and on and on about COVID, and it wasn't real, and it was a plandemic, and and and how they're going to stand up to the government. There's this group of them that stand at the gates of the governor general with megaphones and just yell we, we demand that you dissolve the governor, the government, right now, and they've been doing it for years. And I'm like at what point do you go? Nobody is actually listening. Also, we're over covered now. We know we don't want to talk about it anymore, but they've got the community right so they belong.
Speaker 1:And if you're a bit of an outlier, you know, if you feel like you don't quite fit in, well, it's awesome to belong to something right, and I think it's. It's the same, it's the same sort of principle. So I just wanted to ask you as well, before I forget what's the difference between a hot reading and a cold reading?
Speaker 2:okay. So most psychics cold read and it's a skill that all people have, and what it is is we are trying to make decisions and observations about people around us that we don't know, and we're summing them up, putting them into little categories. You know, we're humans and we are making decisions. Now a cold reader in a mediumship reading, is going to verbalize that and they're going to make general statements or whatever they're thinking. So if you're getting on an airplane and you have to decide who you're going to sit next to because it's one of those open seating kind of things you're looking around going who is it that I'm going to be able to sit next to for the next three hours and not feel mauled or, you know, harmed, or you know who is it You're looking?
Speaker 2:Maybe it's a person reading a book, maybe it's a person that kind of looks like you, and so you're making cold reading, judgments about people. That's what we do, I see. So, yeah, so making a cold so becoming a cold reader is it is a bit of a skill if you're saying it and you're just making general statements about a person based on their ethnicity, their age, their voice, you know, do they have an accent? If you can see them. You can look around them like we can. If we're looking over on zoom, we can see the books behind us, or photos, or cats or dogs.
Speaker 1:Oh, you could look behind me now, couldn't you? And see that I've got pictures of family there and a couple of my books and Right I can see lots of things behind you.
Speaker 2:I was looking at that as when I came into the Zoom call. There's a little photo of two people behind you and so you could do the same about me as well. As you know smell. If they smell a certain way, you can make judgments about them. You can look at their hands and see if they're working with their hands. If they're like manicured, perfect you know delegate hands you make judgments about them. So that's cold reading. It's when you just make bold statements that are sometimes Barnum statements, you know like.
Speaker 1:Can you explain a?
Speaker 2:Barnum statement, please, sure. So a Barnum statement would be something like you know. Sometimes you have this you seem to be a people person. I feel like you're really a people person, but sometimes you really like to be by yourself.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's true of me.
Speaker 2:yeah, that's right, right and you know, you have this book in you, something that you've always wanted to write about. You think it'd be an interesting story, and your spirit spirit's telling me that you should probably devote some time to that. Maybe I think I can see you taking a vacation in some very quiet location. There's water that's outside I do like the beach, and you have your laptop, yes, of course, and so you should probably sit down and get the notes written on that book that you want to write. So those are Barnum statements. They're general statements that affect almost everybody. So if you have a woman in front of you who's maybe 30 years old, you know that she's probably thinking about possibly children or relationships. If you have somebody who's, you know, maybe a student, like a high school student, somebody who's, like you know, 15, 16, 17, 18 years old, they're very uncertain about their life. So you're going to be able to make statements that are about what you're going to do with your life, about education, about taking chances. Should you? Should you take on that responsibility?
Speaker 1:And you know it the state generalities that can apply to that can apply to anybody, maybe in that echelon of society right.
Speaker 2:Okay, got it right and so if you do it with confidence which is one of those things that's attractive like charisma if you do it with confidence and you're willing to change your, your um, you're changing tract a little bit. So maybe for a young woman I might say I'm seeing an infant in your arms. I'm seeing this like you're holding a, a baby. So that could apply to somebody who is looking to have a baby or has one, does not want to have babies, or her best friend has had a baby, or she has a baby niece, or somebody's thinking about getting pregnant. It applies to a lot of situations.
Speaker 1:And is that a Barnum statement, what you just said?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it applies to. It could apply to anybody all over the world, so can you say a Barnum statement now in relation to me.
Speaker 1:If you're a psychic and I'm sitting in front of you, what could you say to me?
Speaker 2:Well's think of something you know you've been having some problems with your feet. I believe that you've been standing more than you expected and is which foot is it that you're having the problems with?
Speaker 1:well, I haven't really been having problems with my feet. I've been having problems with um, with my hip right.
Speaker 2:Well, well, that's your leg right. So, of course, I think that what's what's happening is you are spending too much time walking. I think you need a new pair of shoes. I mean, so, that could be a barnum.
Speaker 1:I do always thinking about getting a new pair of runners. I think you need some new shoes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you just look at the age group and go what's likely and say that, and then the person then goes yeah, it is that. And even if the injury is not there, the injury is somewhere in the sphere. And then with confirmation bias, right motivated reasoning, we're back there again and what's a hot? Yeah, what's hot, what's a hot read hot reading is what I specialize in.
Speaker 2:So hot reading is, uh, when you can catch them easily because what they're doing is they're looking you up on social media or you've fed them information, like I've done in some of the stings I've done, where I send them an email saying I'm trying to get you know, my daughter really wants to get in touch with her grandmother because of this. Get you know, my daughter really wants to get in touch with her grandmother because of this. And then the psychic will read that statement out. You know, but use their own words, they'll change it around so it doesn't sound quite like it. But what they do is they look at social media, um, and they or they google you and they can find an obituary you're mentioned in because if you're alive in this world now, yep, you're probably got some kind of something on there.
Speaker 2:And then another form of hot reading which most people don't realize is a reading is whenever you've been read by the medium before. Even if they don't remember completely, they will start to remember as you start talking and the situation happens where they'll say they'll say to themselves oh, I had a reading this woman gave me. I remember this is the one that had that cousin that did that thing in the fire. So you start to remember. And if you go to a medium every week, like some of these women do, it's I mean they just go on and on about stories that happened the week before. How's your cousin doing? Did they finally sell their property?
Speaker 1:You know, I told you that they should do it. Do you mean women go to a different medium every week, or the same medium?
Speaker 2:Sometimes same medium and sometimes different mediums. Sometimes it's daily, sometimes it's monthly, it just depends. It depends on how badly the sitter wants to get a reading, how much money they have, they show up to their workshops or they show up to free events. The person will do like they'll have something that's on facebook live or talk live oh my god, I cannot believe there are workshops.
Speaker 1:I'm stunned, I have no idea.
Speaker 2:Surprised, you didn't.
Speaker 1:Of course they've got to make money in other ways besides selling books and selling readings, I mean I know that there's well, I know, in the because, for my sins, I spend a lot of time following wellness influencers and they're constantly having retreats, like it's just constant. It's a wonder anybody's got any time to do anything else, but then to go to a retreat, hang around, meditate, have the chakras read, have an ice bath, have a spa, and then, of course, we've. Now, you know, if you listen to Nick Tiller, you know Nick Tiller.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Of course, ice baths are not efficacious at all, so I don't know what we're doing with that, but this whole thing about and there is a very strong element to these retreats where you will be healed and cleaned and renewed by them, and so it's a bit of there's always a crossover, isn't there?
Speaker 2:It's like hope, there's hope and there's community right, they're making friends, you're bonding with people and then they'll bring in a medium.
Speaker 5:You know why not yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Once you believe in one conspiracy or one kind of paranormal something, why not have two or three or four or five? I mean, once you have a confident person who's got some charisma, who's going to, you know, do their thing. And then you have these enablers and those are the influencers, as well as the media. The media really pushes this nonsense and that drives me just to distraction, because I mean you're watching a tv show and you get invested in the, the hosts of the show. They do the weather. You know it's part of your routine.
Speaker 2:Every morning you get up and you're getting dressed ready for work and you're putting on makeup and you're listening to these people talk about, uh, what's going on in the news local, and then they put in a little of their own personal life. You know, oh well, my, you know my baby was sick last night, and so on. And then they bring in a psychic yep, and that's the end of that, because those are your people and they've endorsed them. Yep and the. And who would put? Who would put a psychic on if they weren't real? When it's some of these big name tv stations and news media and so on, it's they're. They're the reason if those people just shut up all and stopped giving any um credence attention to it and maybe came out a lot more skeptical minded stuff, then we would see a huge, huge down. You know, lessening, lessening of this. But the media sells. It sells, of course it does I.
Speaker 1:I feel like we are the, the skeptic. I feel like skeptics are a small community. I get really frustrated. Do you agree?
Speaker 2:yeah, I, I do, but I've been doing a lot more activities. I started a sting today it's called Operation Banana Cream Pie and I'm waiting for a call from the psychic right now. Well, it's not, it's late here where I'm at, so tomorrow morning I'm hoping to get a call telling me that they're ready for me to book my reading. It's a big deal. What I'm doing now it's um, I can't tell you too much but I can say Banana Cream Pie, yes.
Speaker 2:so much so what we're going to do is we're going to um, I have a bunch of people who are going to be getting a reading from a psychic and we have um, I know the psychic hot reads.
Speaker 1:I've already created videos showing the psychic hot reading hang on, you've got a whole lot of your people infiltrating, or?
Speaker 2:just you in. No, there's going to be a bunch of people getting readings and then there's going to be scenarios. We, we're using some ai. This time I've baited and today I finally put the bait on a social media page, a facebook page that I have had for a long time, and I baited it with with facts of. Well, they're fake, yeah, but they look like facts, yeah, and if the medium wants to look far enough back, she'll find more and more dead people and scenarios and stuff that she could get into. But I think the psychic is probably just going to look at the the recent debate I put out.
Speaker 2:So I'm paying a lot of money to go and, uh, have some readings done, and are you going to record them? Of course, and so everything's recorded, everything's videoed, everything is going to be done, and then I'll release it. Well, I'm not releasing it. I have a friend who's uh has a podcast that is a true crime podcast, and they're going to release the information. There's going to be some twists. I can't say but oh my gosh, it's going to be really exciting.
Speaker 2:But I'm waiting, for I mean, I've been thinking about this for so long and finally, it's the first thing I've done since my my partner died, and so I'm ready to do it. I'm doing it basically by myself, with, you know, some help from friends, but I can do this, it's not. Oh, you can do it, you'd be the best. Yeah, it's a medium. Nobody would know. You guys would never know who she is and it she just came across my somebody suggested that this woman they thought she was hot reading, so I looked into it and she is hot reading. It's. It's so obvious, but I need to to blind it. I have to make it so that the people who are attending the event aren't aware of all the information that I have baited her with. So the only person who's going to know that information is the psychic who's reading the, the social media that I'm going to.
Speaker 1:I know she's going to see because I've already talked to her over facebook, so I know she can see my, my information, information you have planted a whole lot of false information that she is then going to feed back to you in a reading, and you're going to record multiple people awesome, multiple. So it's going to be it.
Speaker 2:It's going to be a two hour reading. I can't believe it but it's two hours of people, everybody getting readings and it's like a small group and so fantastic. I've done these kinds of things already. I know you have. This is my. This is just recent, so all of them are operation, something, something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know you had operation pickle or something, I think. I remember when operation pizza roll yeah and operation peach pit.
Speaker 2:Those were made. Those were in the new york times, so good season yeah, it's fun, but you know so I feel better because, like you said, it's so frustrating right now living in the world we're living in, with all the nonsense that's going on. But I I feel like I'm fighting back in my own little way and I'm trying to make it as big as possible so that these people you know getting to an audience, it's not just a skeptical audience. Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 1:Otherwise, we're just preaching to each other, aren't we? Well that's my point of this podcast too.
Speaker 2:No no, I'm happy to be able to. When you did the interview with Kat Mac, who's a really good friend of mine, Kat McLeod, yeah, and her story is powerful, oh my God, it's amazing, so powerful. And then I heard you guys, yeah, she's great. And so I heard you guys talking about it and I said and then later on I think there was another you guys were talking about how something?
Speaker 1:about women and how this is, and I thought, well, why wouldn't I go into your podcast too? This is women. Ask you something, so sure you're going to do operation banana cream pie, right? Yes, this is what I'd like to ask you. Would it be possible for you to come back in a couple of weeks or three weeks time and just report back to me what happened?
Speaker 2:I will come back when I'm done with it, but I don't know when it's going to end because I'm waiting to get the readings and it might I don't know, it might be a couple of weeks before we can get the readings, because this is going to be a time consuming thing for the medium. I have sitters going, so I don't know how long it's going to be. She might say May. She might say may. She might say okay, a year from now. So I don't know when I'm going to be able to get the reading. I'm paying her a lot of money and I'm going to try to up the money if I have to. So if she if she isn't, you know, up for the reading exactly on you know when I want it, like in the next few weeks, I may pay her more and make up an excuse, but I don't want to look too eager.
Speaker 2:No, but she might get a there's a there's a hitch after it's over and it's done, and we're going to stay in character the whole time when it's over. Then the other, the podcaster who's who's hosting this is going to do something interesting, but I can't read it right now, so I have to wait for that podcast to come out, because I made that promise that we would go all the way through. Okay, I've already recorded the first episode that leads up to the sting and then. So it's the day. That is over, the day it's announced, I'm happy to come on here.
Speaker 1:I would love that. I would love that there's much more that I think that you and I can talk about. So I would you think, yeah, yeah, do you think maybe? Um, so I, I mean, I just I don't want to sort of um overwhelm people with the amount of things that we were unhappy about. So let's leave it with psychics. But next time I'd very much like to talk to you. I can't remember what it's called, but it's where people are holding the hand of a severely disabled person and communicating facilitated communication yes yeah, next time can we talk about that?
Speaker 1:because that seems like something that's worthy of right discussion and debunking as well right, and that is another um, woman focused.
Speaker 2:I know the moms ones that are becoming the facilitators and they believe it blindly. It's very similar to mediumship you've got once you have a woman who's in contact with their dead child and the dead child says mommy, I love you, I forgive you, mommy, I'm watching you, mommy, you know, I will see you again. Once a mother has heard that from a child who has died, you cannot ever go to that mother and make her convinced that that didn't happen. It's just not because it would be cruel if you did that, because then it's like the child dies again. When they find they've been lied to and in the facilitated communication world it's the same idea they want their child to be this special person. They're grieving the loss of the child that they wish they had had, you know, but they're not accepting the child as the child is. So it's the same kind of idea, the same mediumship to facilitate a communication. But absolutely, I'd love to talk to you about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would be great. Well, susan Gerbic, that has been an absolute delight. Thank you so much for carving out some time to talk to me about psychics and mediumship. It's been an absolute delight. Thank you so much and hopefully we'll talk again soon. Thank you so much. And thank you so much listeners. As usual, wherever you are in the world, people are listening to this from some very interesting places, some of which I can't pronounce um, to my chagrin, but I'm learning. So thank you so much for listening. Stay safe, stay skeptical. Talk soon. Bye. Thanks for tuning into why smart women with me.
Speaker 1:Annie mccubbin, I hope today's episode has ignited your curiosity and left you feeling inspired by my anti-motivational style. Join me next time as we continue to unravel the fascinating layers of our brains and develop ways to sort out the fact from the fiction and the over 6,000 thoughts we have in the course of every day. Remember, intelligence isn't enough. You can be as smart as paint, but it's not just about what you know. It's about how you think and in all this talk of whether or not you can trust your gut if you ever feel unsafe, whether it's in the street, at work, in a car park, in a bar or in your own home. Please, please, respect that gut feeling. Staying safe needs to be our primary objective. We can build better lives, but we have to stay safe to do that.
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