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Mini Goats and Massive Protests: Lessons in Human Connection
What happens when your holiday isn't going according to plan? When the stranger next to you on the plane is hostile, or when fellow travellers are making too much noise? Annie McCubbin calls in from her Bali fitness retreat with profound insights about navigating life's frustrations with grace and wisdom.
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She said she made that noise. She went all right, but she said I'm not getting up and down so you can go to the toilet. You are listening to the why Smart Women podcast, the podcast that helps smart women work out why we repeatedly make the wrong decisions and how to make better ones. From relationships, career choices, finances, to faux fur jackets and kale smoothies. Every moment of every day, we're making decisions. Let's make them good ones. I'm your host, annie McCubbin, and, as a woman of a certain age, I've made my own share of really bad decisions. Not my husband, I don't mean him, though I did go through some shockers to find him, and I wish this podcast had been around to save me from myself. This podcast will give you insights into the working of your own brain which will blow your mind. I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land in which I'm recording and you are listening on this day. Always was, always will be, aboriginal land.
Speaker 2:Well, hello smart women this land. Well hello smart women. This is David here. Sorry to disappoint. No, actually don't be disappointed, because you will be hearing from Annie today. She's not on the northern beaches of Sydney, she's actually over in Bali. And if you told me a few years ago that this would be Annie's second trip to Bali in two years, I would not have taken you seriously, because Annie McCubbin and Bali aren't, generally speaking, a nice neat combination. But there she is. She's got her reasons. We're going to find out why she's there, what she's doing and what she's been experiencing along the way. Annie, are you there, hello?
Speaker 1:I'm here, oh hello, I'm here in beautiful, sunny, amazing Farley. There's been a massive surf here. I was concerned at one point that maybe there was going to be a tsunami because it was so big it sort of washed up into the pool on the resort. But so far, so good. It's very, very beautiful. And do you want to know what I'm doing here? You do know what I'm doing here, but I'll tell the listeners.
Speaker 2:Well, I know generally what you're doing there. I mean, why do Australians go to Bali To drink lots of alcohol and party on? Oh?
Speaker 1:hang on, hang on, hang on. I'm not here drinking lots, I'm here with my gym. So it is true, I am drinking that's gym. So it is true, I am drinking that's gymnasium.
Speaker 2:Sorry, that's your gymnasium.
Speaker 1:Yes, I know that you've got a bit of a thing for gym charmers.
Speaker 2:And you know, I think if there's anyone that you were ever going to run away with to Bali, it would probably be gym charmers. But you're not there with that gym, You're there with the gym buddies.
Speaker 1:Oh, I see. No, I'm here with. No, I'm not here with the treasurer of Australia. No, it's so confused me. Then I'm here with my gym friends there's about 30 of us and we're having a really lovely time and we get up in the morning and we do run around in the extreme tropical heat and exercise, and I'm in a room with my own little pool. Then we have a swim, and then we have breakfast and then we do yoga or a bit more exercise, and then we hang around and I'm basically writing my book and, um, my next book, and which I've just sent a bit to you and you can look at it. Thanks very much. And then in the evening we eat food and drink wine and it's very good.
Speaker 2:Annie, let me just reassure you before we hear all about Barley and your experience so far. The dogs are fine. I took them for a nice walk this morning.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's true. I'm very glad to hear that.
Speaker 2:And it was very, very nice Give, and it was very, very nice Give them a big pat from me. I will give them a big pat.
Speaker 1:And I'll tell you. What's interesting is that I have been reading and listening to a podcast on Stoicism Stoicism, yeah, and the notion of you know what can you control, what can't you control, and sort of the misery comes from getting those two things confused right Hang on the what.
Speaker 2:Sorry, what? The what comes from having those things confused, the misery comes, the misery. Oh people who are miserable on holidays.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because things occur right and things are never. Because things occur right and that things are not going to be perfect. Nothing is ever, ever perfect. We know this right.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:And. But if there is an anticipation that you are going to be able to control your environment All the time Control other people, control the environment I can hear Ryder barking Then I think that's going to be a lot of unhappiness. So a couple of things have happened. One is I got on the plane with my buddy Kath, and got onto the airplane and there was someone sitting in the middle seat of the row it's fine and we sort of approached so you and Kat had A and C and somebody else was in B, is that right?
Speaker 1:Correct that sort of thing. So we approached the row and Kat said oh, is it okay if we sit down? Anyway? She was immediately furious.
Speaker 2:Oh, Mrs B. The lady in seat number B was furious. Let's call her Mrs B, shall we?
Speaker 1:Mrs B was immediately furious. I don't know why she was furious, but I think something about having to stand up and move and allow us to sit down made her very angry. And then Cass said would it be okay, do you want to sit on the end and then Annie can sit in the middle, because we're friends, anyway? She said she made that noise. She went oh, all right, but she said I'm not getting up and down, so you can go to the toilet.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:She said once I think would be enough on a cup of six hours. So she was just incredibly.
Speaker 2:She gave you a wee quota.
Speaker 1:She gave us a wee quota, yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2:Why didn't you put her in A?
Speaker 1:We put her on the aisle she didn't want to go into A?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no, I don't know, I don't know, but anyway. So then Kath and I sat there and she was like so I'm in the middle and I've got Kath on my right and I've got her on my left, and so Kath looked at me and said she's dead to me, I'm having nothing more to do with her. But I did think to myself I don't want to sit next to a seething mass of fury for the next six hours, six and a half hours. So I made it my mission to turn her into my best friend.
Speaker 2:You warmed her up.
Speaker 1:Which I managed to do over the next six hours.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Thank you. I asked her questions, I validated her, I showed interest, I was kind and I did say you know, she, interestingly enough, if she ever listens to this, she owns a mini goat farm and she takes goats mini goats like that on to weddings and children's parties, yeah, yeah. And so she said, oh, mini goats are amazing and the farm's amazing, and you know, and the goats all have names. And she said I've always wanted to write a children's book. And I said, well, you should write a children's book. That would be a really great thing to do. 100 words a day.
Speaker 1:So the next thing I know she's got a pad and pencil out and she's madly writing this book. And at the end of it she said, right, give me your name. And madly writing this book. And at the end of it she said, right, give me your name. And she said when I finish the book, you'll be the first to know. So I actually turned to her, made the effort and she was fine. But it's like Kath said, you can take the people out of Australia, but you know, the entitlement stays with them, the entitlement that you're going to be able to control the environment, and it's going to be.
Speaker 2:The way that you want is just such such a recipe for misery right yeah, I mean, you know, particularly particularly if you're going to be involved in air travel. Um, you know, I I I never travel without expecting some kind of delay or some kind of hiccup, and I think that just helps me feel utterly fortunate when things do go according to plan.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you think about it, if you think about it you get into a big armchair in a big silver tube and it flies through the sky and you get from Australia to Bali in a matter of hours, you know.
Speaker 1:I know it's astonishing. How do we take that for granted, right, I know?
Speaker 2:So that's hedonic adaptation, isn't it? You've talked about that before.
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah. As soon as something good happens, you know you want it, you want it. You know, imagine being able to get on an airplane, like, imagine that and fly somewhere and then arrive and you didn't have to drive a car and you didn't have to get in a boat. Isn't that just astonishing? And then you do it, you know, as soon as you've done it, you're like, yeah, I've done that, so you just adapt. It's why the pursuit of happiness is not such a great idea and certainly, um, the notion of, um, very, very high expectations is also not a good idea, like, keep your expectations low and be pleasantly surprised when things go well.
Speaker 1:And um, the the thing about the stoicism, which I find super interesting. Interesting because I, as you know, have no spiritual belief, so I don't think anything happens for a reason. I don't think there's a universe, I don't think there's a God, I just think we're just out there being tossed about, you know, by circumstances, really. But I read this thing about what you do is let's just say, you know you get to the airport and then the plane is three hours late, and this has happened regularly to us. Right, yeah, and the plane is three hours late. So then you go. The stoic gods have set me a task, and the task is to approach this delay with equanimity. And I'm just going to roll with it. And there it is, the plane's low and here I am, and that is an extraordinary.
Speaker 2:it changes your mindset immediately, um even though, even though you know that there aren't any stoic gods, yes, even though I know there's no stoic gods. So it doesn't matter that the story is made up.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter which is interesting, right? It doesn't actually matter. It's an interesting question you've asked me, Thank you, that's right. So, whether or not you're going well, the universe has sent this to me to test me, which a lot of people believe, or God has sent this to test me? Maybe, yeah, maybe it doesn't matter, maybe it's just the notion of that and then the mindset around it that helps with the response. Maybe that's right, maybe it just settles down the whole arousal thing, because, of course, otherwise you just spend your life in this sort of state of arousal, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we know people who live in almost a constant state of outrage, and it sounds like the goat lady probably tended in that direction, so it's almost like this is a placebo narrative.
Speaker 1:It's a placebo narrative. It's so good, yeah, it is. And the other instance was so we're all in these little villas sort of along at the resort that look out over the beach, and we all have a little pool in front of us right, our own little pool, and anyway. So I'm with people as you know there's a level of exuberance.
Speaker 1:Everyone's exercising all the time, everyone's pretty up and, you know, happy. And there was my friend's made a bit of noise at 4 o'clock in the afternoon in the pool and the neighbour in one of the little neighbouring villas came out in a state of apoplexy saying they'd woken up her four-year-old. And my friend was like I'm so sorry, I hadn't realised she was asleep. But they didn't stop there. She then rang the desk and then they rang them and said there's been a noise complaint. And everybody kept saying sorry until someone said hang on, it's four o'clock in the afternoon, we are actually on holidays. So, and then the same thing happened. The same thing happened the next night when they had they had, you know drinks in their apartment at eight o'clock and the same thing happened.
Speaker 1:She said her children were trying to go to sleep and then she rang the you know she rang the desk and then there was constant sort of ringing saying, got to keep the noise down, and of course it's exactly the same. It's the same right, which is I'm in this environment. This environment is not behaving the way I want the environment to behave, so I'm going to try and alter the environment by using my will, and of course it doesn't work right.
Speaker 2:It's a recipe for disappointment.
Speaker 1:It's a recipe for disappointment. Also, it's a very it's not great role modelling for your children, right?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:It's like if something's not right, what you do is complain and try and change it, as opposed to going. So what could she have done? She's in the room, there's noise, so what's the alternative to trying to shut down the noise? And of course she was angry and she was very upset then again. So she's then got this internal state of sort of rage, disappointment and powerlessness.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I think that's the thing, right. How powerless must she have felt not to be able to control the environment when she wants her children to go to sleep? Now, also, if you look at it from the other side, we think she's a single mother, right? So she would be under stress, yeah, yeah, and she's spent all this money.
Speaker 2:She managed to get the children here on the plane, and that probably would have been a complete nightmare. She's finally got to the resort, she's settling down, and then the children are woken up.
Speaker 1:The children are woken up. The children are woken up. So if you look at it from her perspective, it's also, it's an understandable response, but not a response that's going to get her the outcome that she wants, right? And if you extrapolate that out, how much of our lives do we spend trying to change things, alter things, alter the environment right, fight things, fight against things to get what we want? And how much of that is wasted energy? Yeah, because you certainly can. You can look at it from her perspective and go here, I get that.
Speaker 1:And one of us, one of the more sort of measured members, swam over to her and said look, we totally get it. We totally get it. You are trying to get your kids in, but it's only 8 o'clock at night, it's not like midnight, and we've also paid for our rooms. And you know, if we could maybe try and strike a balance here, you know we'll stop at maybe 8.30. Anyway, nothing, nothing came of it. There was just no moving it.
Speaker 1:And then today she was screaming at the top of her lungs at the staff because they weren't moving her bags quickly. So you can see someone who's probably in a bit of emotional trouble there. She's off balance, probably needs a bit of help. But of course, the general public are disinclined to make room for that right, because everyone's got their own stuff going on and they're like I finally got here, this is the other people in our group. They've all got stuff going on as well, so their needs and their reality meets her needs and her reality, right. It's like they're disinclined because they're like well, we want to have a holiday, we've had a big year, people have had all sorts of stuff going on, so it's this. Yeah, it's just really really interesting when you look at it and you sort of pan back and look at it, how much of this sort of behavior creates drama.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think is what you're suggesting that people can actually. Let's see, the ladies that you were talking about probably both of them, you know, a bit off balance, a bit under stress, they're probably not at their best. The ladies that you were talking about, probably both of them are a bit off balance, a bit under stress, they're probably not at their best, but when we are at our best or close to our best, then we have got an opportunity. To what is it? Do we reframe? Do we reset our expectations?
Speaker 1:What is the alternative choice that you think is reasonable and realistic? Well, I think the first thing we have to do if you find yourself in a situation where you can feel the internal temperature rising right because something's not going right. So the first thing you have to do because we are so reactive, aren't we is slow everything down, just slow everything down, just slow everything down, take a breath, do nothing, because the only chance you have of reacting or responding differently is if you slow everything down. So that's the first thing. And then I mean, it's just a really, really good question to ask yourself, I think, is what can I control here and what can't I control? Because we're not suggesting that we turn into doormats where we just passively walk through life, just taking whatever backhand is handed to us. We're not suggesting that for a minute, and boundaries, of course, are super important aren't they?
Speaker 1:Yeah, being able to say no, I'm not wearing that, or yes, I am wearing that, or whatever. But if there is no control, if you cannot like, for instance, with a late plane, with a perfect example, with a late plane, or you're sitting in a chair and two people are approaching and you have to stand and let them sit, now what are you going to do? What's your options? You?
Speaker 2:can sit in the seat.
Speaker 1:You can say climb over. Or you know, with a late plane, what's your options? Can you control the airline? Yep, no, you know. Can you control the person you don't know next to you? You can control. Which is what I did with her. Is I controlled my response, but I made an absolute, conscious effort.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And what I did was with her. I turned it into a stoic god moment of I was hoping to get some stoic god points that the stoic gods would look down at me and go you did really well. You converted her and she got off the plane feeling better than when she got on, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But again, it depends on the amount of energy that you have. I notice myself I can be tolerant and as the day goes on my tolerance level just drops right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the thing about international travel is that it does, by its very nature, it does sometimes lead people to be, you know, tired, a bit depleted and having to solve problems with other people.
Speaker 1:That's right, that's right, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2:Hey, look, as you're talking about this, I mean, can I share a story about the I guess the inverse, the positive side of it, you know, when people do behave magnificently? Sure, please do. Look. This is being recorded during the week after the March for Humanity across the Harbour Bridge in Sydney.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, in support of the Palestinian people, and I wanted to go along. I wanted to just have a physical presence there to be part of the group, saying we don't accept that what is happening in Gaza at the moment is necessary to be so punitive and careless with the lives of theians who are not hamas. Look, yeah, I won't, I won't, I won't, um you know, state anything with certainty, because I I know that I don't know so much about what's going on there, but this was a day when we wanted to say to to our government. There are a lot of people here who care about what is going on deeply enough yeah, to just make them talk, to make our presence felt so um I had a couple of other friends who were going and we'd sort of communicated and we'd sort of meet up.
Speaker 2:When I got to the Chatswood station the Metro wasn't running, so I took the train into Wynyard. So I got there quite a bit later than I was expecting and right from Wynyard there was an absolute crush. There were tens of thousands of people I wouldn't have liked that you wouldn't have liked that being in a crowd.
Speaker 2:But look, I tried to make my way to where I knew, where some of my friends were waiting, and I, you know, travelled out into the street, but it got to the stage where the streets were just completely deadlocked. The march was due to start at a certain time, after some speeches. There was absolutely no way that I, or any of the thousands of people that I was surrounded by, could make any progress whatsoever, and I probably stood in the rain amongst the other people for more than an hour before we started moving off. So you know, some might say that was imperfect. I do know that the authorities were terribly worried that there were going to be crowd crushes and that people were going to get hurt, and that's their job. That's their job to take those risks.
Speaker 2:You know very, very seriously and do what they can, both before and during the event, in order to keep people safe. But that was very much, you know. You could say that that was an imperfect situation that there were so many people crowded into the centre of the city. Through another lens, how fantastic was it that so many people turned up? I mean, if a couple of thousand people had turned up, then there wouldn't have been any trouble with crowd control. But because this was an issue that mattered to so many people.
Speaker 1:That's right both things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I know that the number ranges between 90 to. I think the highest numbers in terms of the estimates were like 300,000 people.
Speaker 1:Yep, they are saying 300,000 people.
Speaker 2:Yep, they are saying 300,000,. Yep, Whatever it was, it was a huge number of people. There were the really hardened Palestinian Action Group protesters and across the crowd there were people leading chants free, free Palestine, free, free Palestine. And you know, some of the chants were easy to chant, Some of them were a little bit aggressive. I do know that there were signs that I couldn't read.
Speaker 1:I just want to say at this point that we're very clear, David and I, that saying we're unhappy about what is happening in Gaza is nothing to do with us being anti-Semitic. It's a different issue. I just want to really really clarify that for listeners. I am Jewish, so it is not that we're anti-Semitic. We're just very, very unhappy about the treatment. We know it's complex, but we're very unhappy about the treatment of the civilians. That's right, specifically the children. Yeah, keep going.
Speaker 2:That's right. And specifically the children. Yeah, keep going, that's right. I mean, did you know that I was actually named after the King of the Jews?
Speaker 1:Oh, David, you David.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So the purpose of the march was to send a message to our government that this mattered and that they should put pressure, you know, government to government. So yes, Absolutely. It's not anti-Semitism, Not at all.
Speaker 1:But it's interesting, right. But I just want to say that of course you look at that situation and if hardly anybody had gone, then that's no problem for the police, which is better for the police. Like, everything's complex, right, yeah, because we do understand that. But then a lot of people went, which is really really good for the cause but not so good for the police. Everything's complicated, that's right, and I think we are so determined to be reductive in our thinking and make things simple, and things are not simple. Things are not simple, things are really complicated. I'm so glad you went to that, marge.
Speaker 2:Look, I'm so glad I did as well, because I was able to experience firsthand a huge crowd of people for whom things were not going as easily as they possibly could have gone. We were crowded, it was raining, we had to stand for a long time and then, when the crowd started moving, again we couldn't move very, very quickly. And I got about three quarters of the way across and um, and we were basically told to turn back. Uh, because the the exit from the Northern side of the bridge, um was clogged and again the authorities were trying to keep everybody safe, so we had to turn back.
Speaker 2:And so this was an experience where you know I wasn't the only one. So this was an experience where you know I wasn't the only one who was thinking oh, you know, the stoic gods are here to test me. Um, you know, let's just make the most of this. We had, you know, possibly 100,000 people who cared about something very important, who still had the capacity to go. It's not perfect, I'm not getting, you know, I don't get to get across to the other side of the bridge, but people were good-natured and I, and and for me it was terribly affirming you know, about the best in humanity, it's not just a few people, it is hundreds of thousands of people who can do this. Anyway, it was good to go and everybody behaved well.
Speaker 1:And I think that's such an interesting point because, rather than asking, am I happy? Right, all those people withstood whatever difficulties they were enduring.
Speaker 2:Right because they were purposeful. Yeah, I think everybody who was there appreciated the purpose of why we were there, that it was a peaceful protest and it was a march for humanity. And, yeah, my experience was that people behaved in an extremely humane way despite the circumstances.
Speaker 1:And I think that, yeah, that's right, because you're not. Nobody would have been worried or focused at that moment of am I happy? Am I having a good time? Am I getting what I want? How can I change these circumstances? This is not working for me. It's raining, I'm cold, I want to sit down or whatever. Those things just get sort of subsumed. Is subsumed the right word? Because the purpose is so clear.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean. It occurred to me that there are people in Gaza who are lining up for food and they're in mortal danger. You know there are people who are being killed for lining up for food and they're in mortal danger. You know there are people who are being killed for lining up. We were just lining up to peacefully protest and go for a walk across the bridge, so our problems were nothing compared to the people that we were trying to support.
Speaker 1:And did you while you were actually doing it? Did that occur to you?
Speaker 2:Oh, it most certainly did.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It most certainly did. You know, for a moment I imagined what it would be like being in a crowd pressing towards an aid van with a pot, trying to get, you know, half a kilo of rice to feed my family, yeah, and then the person next to me gets killed by a bullet yeah, that's the reality of what's going on over there. We have nothing to complain about, that's right.
Speaker 1:And if we can, I mean sort of. If you think about it from a stoical point of view, it's like the opposite of this notion of trying to manifest a good life by positive visualizations and affirmations. You know, if every day, you consider the notion of you know a terrible life, what your life could be like, not to ruminate, but what if you lost your family? What if it was all gone? What that does? It throws it into bold relief and then you can go. Well, this is pretty good, like I'm on holidays at the moment. I'm still sick. I wish I wasn't sick, but this is where I am. This is what's happening. I'll just work around it, and what I'm not doing is overlaying everything with some sort of. I'm not trying to be positive, it's different. I'm just being realistic about my circumstances. Yes, I'm sick, but I'm also in a five-star resort and I've just ordered myself a coffee and that's gone very well. Yep, it's really good. It's really good and I'm drinking a very, very nice seven-year-old Blanc. It's great and I'm with people I really like.
Speaker 2:What who? Like me, you're drinking wine and coffee at the same time.
Speaker 1:No, I'm drinking coffee now. Well, I've still got my weird rules, right.
Speaker 2:Yes, you do. What is today Wednesday?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no. Not that rule. Throw that rule out. But you know, everyone else starts drinking at lunchtime and I won't start until 6 o'clock. You know, I've still got that. I've still got that weird rule.
Speaker 2:Very good.
Speaker 1:But you know I'm having nice coffees and my friends are funny and there's a lot of yelling and everyone keeps telling me how nice I look and that's nice at my age, because that's the other thing. You're around other people and you get different sort of feedback and it's fantastic. We're just pausing for a minute to hear a word from our sponsor.
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Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then what's after that?
Speaker 1:Then I'll be having my lunch, and I haven't got all day to spend on the phone to you. I'm trying to have a holiday.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, all right, so let's wind this up then.
Speaker 1:So wind it up, wind it up, wind it up. I'm going to go and make some people's lives a misery. I'll see what I can complain about. I might complain about. I might complain about the service.
Speaker 2:I might complain about the traffic. I'm just going to make a list and I'm going to start my complaining immediately. Send me a copy. Nothing makes me miss you more than the absence of you complaining about stuff that should see me through to the end of the week.
Speaker 1:Well, listen, love you darling. Give Ryder and Yo-Yo a big pat. I do miss them.
Speaker 2:And they miss you too.
Speaker 1:Thank you and I will talk soon, See you.
Speaker 2:Okay, goodbye, annie, and to everybody else. Thank you for joining in to the why Smart Women podcast this week. Travel well, stay safe, slow things down and, yeah, until next time. Bye for now.
Speaker 1:Thanks for tuning in to why Smart Women with me, annie McCubbin. I hope today's episode has ignited your curiosity and left you feeling inspired by my anti-motivational style. Join me next time as we continue to unravel the fascinating layers of our brains and develop ways to sort out the fact from the fiction and the over 6,000 thoughts we have in the course of every day. Remember, intelligence isn't enough. You can be as smart as paint, but it's not just about what you know, it's about how you think. And in all this talk of whether or not you can trust your gut, if you ever feel unsafe, whether it's in the street, at work, in a car park, in a bar or in your own home, please, please respect that gut feeling. Staying safe needs to be our primary objective. We can build better lives, but we have to stay safe to do that. And don't forget to subscribe, rate and review the podcast and share it with your fellow smart women and allies. Together, we're hopefully reshaping the narrative around women and making better decisions. So until next time, stay sharp, stay savvy and keep your critical thinking hat shiny. This is Annie McCubbin signing off from why Smart Women. See you later.
Speaker 1:This episode was produced by Harrison Hess. It was executive produced and written by me, annie McCubbin.
