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The Snarky Gherkin and a Nazi walk into a bar….. Part.2
A fast, clear walkthrough of the “Cooker Wars” timeline, from a viral march brand to four competing groups, collapsing turnouts, and a movement that sells outrage without outcomes. We map the players, the optics problem, and why economic pain makes people vulnerable to grifters.
• Gaza protest optics triggering a copycat “March for Australia” wave
• NSN claiming involvement and the credibility collapse that followed
• Monica Smith’s rebrand to Put Australia First and calls for sponsorship
• Infighting over footage, branding, and who gets the microphone
• August march fiasco and Nazi presence damaging legitimacy
• October “do‑over” with an 85% attendance drop
• Fragmentation into Australia Marches and Save Australia
• Monetising outrage through flags, EMF gear, and funnels
• The missing policy: housing, migration skills, construction capacity
• How to keep perspective and resist conspiracy pipelines
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You are listening to the wide smartphone. Smart one, we choose fifty days. I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which I'm recording and you are listening on this day. Always was, always will be, Aboriginal land. So here is um the Snake Gherkin. Hello, Snakey Gherkin, how are you? Hello. Yeah, great. How are you? Very well, thank you. I wanted to talk today about the Cooker Wars. Can you give me some chronology on what happened and how we've had a splintering of the uh the cooker community, please?
SPEAKER_00:Yes, I'm I'm standing in front of my massive corkboard here with red string that I've had to sort of I've because I'm struggling to keep up with it myself.
SPEAKER_01:So I yeah, it's complex.
SPEAKER_00:I've got one of those. Just trying to for those who are Do you know who that was?
SPEAKER_01:That was Casey Briggs.
SPEAKER_00:Legend. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He was a legend and he would talk about the rise and fall of the uh the the pan of the um of the covert numbers. So you're gonna talk about the rise and fall as well.
SPEAKER_00:If I borrowed Casey Briggs' screen, right, you can't see it because this is it's audio only, but I'm standing in front of a big screen and I'm gonna zoom in and out, and and there might be some fumbling along the way.
SPEAKER_01:But I've had to try to write all this down.
SPEAKER_00:Um sort of I'm strapped in and ready.
SPEAKER_01:Strapped in and ready.
SPEAKER_00:So let's go. So in July 2025, uh there was I think this was in the wake of there was some anti um uh there was there was anti-war protests across Sydney Harbour across the bridge.
SPEAKER_01:Like it was Oh yeah, the anti-Gaza the Gaza, the Gaza situation.
SPEAKER_00:That's right, that's right. And so the the and the imagery was stunning. Like there was I I don't know, but it looked there was there was tens of thousands, probably more, 50,000.
SPEAKER_01:Very, very, very well. I reckon there was 300,000.
SPEAKER_00:300, yeah, incredible. And it was pretty broad, like it was a like pretty broadly across the spectrum of of people that were there. So it wasn't necessarily a um, you know, like it wasn't, yeah, but it was per se whether for in the wake of that, uh I I think some far right people basically shit themselves because they're like, oh dang, like, you know, what are all these scary flags that we're not aware of and things like that. So in in response to that, um, some young kid genuinely don't know who it is, although the the mythos is is is the according to um the the founding myth of of of the the latest cooker group, um, is some young grassroots kid sat up and thought, wouldn't it be great if we could have an Australian flag marching across the Sydney Harbour? So they started a group March, March for Australia. Uh we'll call it MFA for the sake of the podcast.
SPEAKER_01:Um March for Australia, meaning March for Australia.
SPEAKER_00:Meaning what whatever you want it to mean, okay. What it means to you, like a March for Australia and and so well I think think the original um the original premise was an anti-immigration march and anti-corruption march and a anti-insert the thing that I don't like march to to get me to come along.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, so if I'm just if I'm generally feeling disenfranchised and unhappy with something because somebody got a job that I went for, or I saw a man with a turban at the supermarket, or I I don't know, I didn't like the house, I didn't like the my last power bill. I I can join the um March for Australia and I can waive a Chinese made Australian flag.
SPEAKER_00:Australian flag, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And so within that's it.
SPEAKER_00:So within within a couple of days, I've had about a hundred thousand followers, and there was an insistence, it was it was a lot of followers really quickly.
SPEAKER_01:Truly was there, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not talking not talking people actually like this is just a like on a Facebook page, it's not it's not a big, big thing, but it's um there there was a sudden following in in groups, and so that exploded within the cooker verse. Like a lot of people who've been dormant for a long time suddenly sprung up. There's a lot of speculation as to who it was, and there still is to some extent, but apparently the kid that started it had panicked with it he didn't expect the attention and and for it to blow up as much as it did. So um he handed it over to someone who goes by Beck Freedom.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah, I know Beck Freedom.
SPEAKER_00:So just anti-lockdown reheated leftovers of of the anti-lockdown sort of movements.
SPEAKER_01:Um why are we still talking about anti-lockdown when it was like four years ago?
SPEAKER_00:Well, because it's the same, it's the same groups, they've just they've just re- they've just come out of dormancy, a lot of them. They never stopped, they just started just finding other things, become a little bit more vocal. Yeah, yeah, that's it. So yeah, they yeah, so there was a bit of a conflict. So at the same time, Beck Freedom had had claimed that this chap had um passed the reins over to her. A group called the National Socialist Network, who we've spoken about in this podcast. They the literal Nazis. Like I I do cringe when people call other people Nazis because it's like, well, they're not really these people are actual neo-Nazis. They're national. So they on Telegram, they simultaneously claimed to be involved in in the organization of the MFA as well. Yeah, and so there was a bit of a um there's a bit of a raised eyebrow. So we did a few few posts about it to highlight, hey, this is not what it seems. A lot of the old sort of the old chest nuts from the anti-lockdown days are involved in this, and so's the NSN as well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And so there was, you know, Beck Freedom had insisted that no, that's not the case, but she is very incestuous with with that group. And so uh, you know, a lot of the same kind of rhetoric. Uh, and so yeah, it it just simmered and and continued. So um we then had uh that sort of comp on on our board moving to the next sort of um first we got a group called RDA. Most domestic listeners would know of Monica Schmidt. So Monica Schmidt sort of suddenly like Mariah Carey, sort of in the lead up to Christmas, appears. So that you know, as soon as a anti anti-suppling group comes in, she's anti, then so she's currently grifting at the moment.
SPEAKER_01:She's trying to sell um all the flags that she bought for the March. So the flags that were made in China, and the other thing she's selling it this old chestnut, you'll love it, is the EMF protection thing so you don't die from your phone. I know, which she's doing while she's got a microphone plugged into her ear talking. It's like so nuts.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's it. It's she was gutted as well because she was going on a on a social media detox for like a month or something. They can never do it though. So they can never do it. And there was she but she pre-recorded all these like infomercials about like tallow and and all these other beef things. And so whilst all this was kicking off, um like everyone sort of like what and so she reappeared and suddenly, and so she really she first of all she encouraged her supporters to to go for it, but you could tell that like they all want a piece of the pie and she wasn't involved. So then suddenly she then flipped and said no don't. She then flopped and said no do it, and then flipped again and said no don't because of the NSN connection. And fair play, like she her own audience just went absolute batshit crazy over her like flip-flopping insistence on not being involved with NSN. So their logic would be the the only like molecule of tiny bit of credit I'd give her is that it would have just been a lot easier for her to say, yeah, you know what, just let's all just jump on the bandwagon sort of thing. But she stuck her ground on that and even march next to the Nazis.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:No, no, didn't didn't. So that was her her one shred of integrity, yeah, was that that she she maintained that no, I'm not gonna they they stunk too much even for her. Like it was you know, she can she can march beside flat earthers and yeah um, you know, anti-vaxxers, yeah. Anti-vaxxers and you know, call for nurses to be hung and you know whatnot. But yeah, in in her mind uh that NSM were even too well, you know, um too. So it's like a dumpster fire kind of arguing with with itself. But anyway, so she she but that just so more confusion within the group. She did I mean she was ratioed in her own posts about you know calling her a traitor and and this and that because her own follower base wanted her to get on board.
SPEAKER_01:How big would you say these follower bases are? So take Beck Friedham or Monica Smith, what do you reckon? How many followers would be?
SPEAKER_00:So I reckon with Monica Smith, let's say um there could be I don't know how many followers, let's say she has a hundred thousand followers on on Facebook, but she'd be lucky to have have a couple of dozen reactions on on any given post. So maybe on a popular post she might get 2,000 likes with with a few hundred comments.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But I would they're they're not I'm I I we use the term follower very loosely because it's they I think I mean we uh we all follow her page, just for like because I I consider a bit of a uh the not not just her, but um you know these these personalities like what I call lol cow, so they're just just like they you you're milking the uh the laughs out of them, so or content. So there's a lot of people that follow them that aren't followers. Um but same with Beckford. I don't actually know, haven't looked at at how many people follow them, but based on engagement, they get a few hundred sort of reactions, maybe a few thousand if the algorithms have kind of right.
SPEAKER_01:What drives them to keep sort of turning up um and involving themselves in this sort of um internecine wars is uh a need for identity, is that right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, identity, money, uh it's you know, uh, you know, they've there's an audience, they've they've got an algorithm to placate, they've got um engagement, they need to sort of keep to stay relevant and just feel a part of that they're doing something.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, so to find something, right? To find something that they can say, this is not right. Um, we need to protest about this, and also while we're protesting, buy some of my beef tallow or my EMF protection so you don't get canceled to your phone, right?
SPEAKER_00:Sign up to my newsletter so I can, you know, use your data for other things. And it there's always something at the end of it. Um, so what then happened with uh Monica Smith? So she then decided stuff it, I'm gonna create my own group because it's there's clearly some sentiment out there in terms of wanting to protest. Um, I won't go so it was called put Australia First, PFA. Now they haven't had a march yet. This is going back if we think this was all happening in sort of June, July.
SPEAKER_01:So that's different to March for Australia. This is put Australia first.
SPEAKER_00:This is put Australia first, and it's a more, I'd say not necessarily it's a more sanitized or more professional setup. And so that there's definitely some marketing material, I wouldn't call expertise, but experience behind it. And they're trying to make it look like more of a slick professional operation.
SPEAKER_01:Hang on, this isn't the one with those terrible AI generated women in sort of metal breasts.
SPEAKER_00:No, no, that was that's MFA. That's that's the um the the the Joan De Bogen uh videos, as we call them. Um they're just AI slop stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But no, the the the put Australia, the PFA, yeah, they are more yeah, I know it's gonna get worse, trust me. Uh yeah, so she so they they are more um they've they they've got sort of cleaner looking and clearer, crisper looking messaging. Uh but they the speakers for them, I'm probably not even worth mentioning their names because they've they've been pretty non in non-consequential at all or influential in in it. But so she appointed a couple of speakers who have got very sketchy backgrounds. I've done done some posts on them before. They're kind of American, uh they're Australian, but they're kind of American, sort of wannabe, kind of, you know, minutemen sort of yeah. I I don't know what what yeah, but so they're they're they're again they're all just they were around during the anti-lockdown protests and they've they've all just re-emerged.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:So there was a little bit of back and forth. The irony was is in in some of the um content advertising for PFA, they've used the footage from the MFA, no, sorry. Sorry, put Australia first, so PAF. Put Australia first, make put Australia first, and then um yeah, put Australia first. So they've been using footage in March first from March from Australia's um like marches, but they've condemned those marches, so it's like there's been a bit of infighting between like Beck and Monica Smith. So there's and and you know, the the the people in the comments are just like cats and dogs on it. Some people just don't care, they're just rocking up to all of them. They're like, you know what, it's it's a sense of community and identity and whatnot. Don't care who's organizing it. But to a lot of others, there's it it's really caused drama. So there's a second group that's now created. So then in August, the MFA march happens. The turnout, I'd say it's pretty was pretty underwhelming. I think they were expecting a lot more.
SPEAKER_01:They were that's where they tried to get the bridge, right?
SPEAKER_00:Uh that's right. And it all there's a bit of controversy about the bridge. I'm not quite sure how that apparently they had the bridge, and then it was to con like the the messaging was the government said no to it, but the application for the bridge was apparently withdrawn voluntarily. So really don't I think that was sensible of them? Yeah, I don't understand though about that. So there was all I just saw some chitter chatter about that, and you know, that they'd been portrayed and and all this within their own ranks, etc. So the we we spoke about the August March previously, about the the shit show that was, and then the NSN or front and center of that, the the air Nazi group, um, and then the attack on on camp sovereignty. So I won't go too much into that because we've we've we went to pretty great lengths about that previously. Um but then in in response to that, like there was there was a lot of even within the groups, like um, yeah, there was uh like it was a PR disaster, even for Cooker Standards, like they all a lot of people just weren't happy with it. And there was some footage of some people booing and and stuff. That's right. Some some weren't. Not not a lot, but but there were there were grumblings within within the group, like there, you know, when when Anna Sen had taken centre stage the new NRT group.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, um they weren't.
SPEAKER_00:And so there was a bit of a that's right. So it was a bit of a the optics were bad, you know, for for March for Australia. And so immediately they then declared no, there's gonna be a second march in October. Great, great, which was gonna be a do-over, it's gonna be a course correction, there's not gonna be NSN there, we promise we're gonna have a march against stuff we're just not quite too sure what, but there's gonna be no Nazis. That's it. That's it, and you know, meanwhile, all this happening, nothing about the messaging that was for the purposes of the marches is is even being considered because it's just it's all just been caught up in in the chaos that that erupted. So there was all this infighting, different admins, influencers, organisers, um, they all kicked off because of NSN's involvement, um, and it all just kind of went to shit. So then the October March for Australia came around.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And the numbers were there was like an 85% drop in attendance.
SPEAKER_01:85% drop.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it was it was tiny. Like I think they've I don't think anyone even rocked up in Adelaide, so they've just dropped Adelaide for any further marches.
SPEAKER_01:Wasn't there like seven people in Hobart or something?
SPEAKER_00:Something really something like that. Um they've they've booked another one for Australia Day in January, but they've not even announced sort of half the country because it's just I I think they've just dropped it. So it it but then it it's it's now cannibalizing itself because um now the the the big the big news yesterday was the March for Australia Queensland has announced they're breaking away and they're they're rebranding themselves Australia Marches.
SPEAKER_01:What?
SPEAKER_00:And then whilst all this chaos is happening, there's now a fourth group called Save Australia, and they'll be marching on the 15th of November, and they're they're basically just hoovering up, they're like, hey, anyone's welcome, whatever. They're just hoovering up all the rounds. We have crumbs, yeah. And so we've got two, we've got two now coming up. This save Australia for 15th, which is like next week, I think. Which I there's no buzz about that at all in any anywhere that I even even in the the the dredges of of Telegram, there's there's nothing about it.
SPEAKER_01:So we've got Save Australia, um put Australia first, yeah. March for Australia, March for Australia, and what else? So much, so much, um, so much just how to start that again. And now Australia march yes, you've got Australia marches, you got to hang on Australia marches, put Australia first, march for Australia, and what else?
SPEAKER_00:And then save Australia.
SPEAKER_01:Save Australia. And what what do you okay?
SPEAKER_00:So they've all splintered and they're all arguing and four competing groups within well, they're not good, there's four competing marches, all broadly sort of uh saying the same generic things like stop migration, stop corruption, stop corruption, stop it, just stop the corruption, just stop it. Yeah, right to corruption and ask them to stop. Um I love corruption, but anyway, yeah, apparently they don't the slick the slick thing about about Monica Smith of of Put Australia First is that she's always got business at front and and and centre. And how can we monetize this? So she's put out a call for sponsorship, and they can even be anonymous if they want, but they need they need$25,000 per capital city to help pay for what stuff. Pay for what I don't know, like a pay for oh that's it. So she has a bit of a dig here, so she said not they want security, but not just blokes in high V's jackets, no, they want proper speakers and and and microphones and water and and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01:So uh yeah, but I mean you never yeah, I mean the and let's just say let's just say they've they do the march and then people roam about with with um the Australian flag, cheap null and Australian pla flag made in China on their back, and they roam about and they yell and and then you have people speaking. I noticed that um one of them they had Bob Catter, is that right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, they did.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and also Cullaton. Was it cut no, not Cullatin, Rennick. So we've had yes, yeah, we've had a couple of our our our more um interesting um Queensland is Rennick um Queensland?
SPEAKER_00:I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because of course they they then jump on the um the um racist bandwagon, they love it. They they love that racist bandwagon. So let's just say they have the march and everyone roams about and goes off and has a Chinese afterwards or whatever. What what are they what what are they hoping is going to happen? Is there any clarity on what what outcome they would like from any of them?
SPEAKER_00:I think they yeah, I there's a couple. I I don't think I think consciously I don't think any of them really know. I think from a logical perspective, you I would think what they hope comes out of it is is a public discourse or it at least um an acknowledgement from the government on certain critiques that they want. Some are just blatantly just idiotic. Like I think out of one of the marches came a petition to um for for the existing prime minister to step down through no confidence. And you know, so they're hoping that that's what and and for those overseas. I mean, we had an election this year, and the Labour government absolutely trounced like you know, the the opposition. And so it's gonna be a long three years for a lot of these conservatives that are just so bitter and upset. They they won't they won't go as far as like as American like um cookers will and and claim that it was wreaked. Like we've got pretty like the Australian Electoral Commission's pretty decent here. I don't think even the wildest cookers don't I don't think they I don't see much rhetoric about election fraud or it being stolen in the world.
SPEAKER_01:Clive Palmer had a shot. Clive Palmer had a shot at it.
SPEAKER_00:Very weak. Yeah, very weak. He was a very reluctant sort of, well just I remember that. He was like, I think we should just look into it. And but he never he didn't clarify like what look into what exactly what you know it's just but he was trying to dog whistle a bit, but he it was half-assed, like he yeah. So I I think I think even even the the cookers accept in Australia that that that yeah the elections are pretty it's pretty um but they still don't understand that yeah yeah that that you don't know they just don't want to wait for the next one.
SPEAKER_01:You can't just go we call for the resignation of the prime minister. I mean uh they don't seem to understand the electoral process.
SPEAKER_00:They don't and what what's just what's what's interesting is they don't seem to think that if that was successful that that wouldn't be used against them at a future point anyway. So like like and that's that's the danger with the like let's say they they did they did force the you know the governor general to you know step in and this and that, like what yeah like what's they don't have the foresight to think like it's very just two-dimensional, they don't have the foresight to think, well, actually this might yeah, yeah, then what a yeah, who would actually be in charge C or B, um, you know, actually could this happen on the opposite side then at a later point. So yeah, yeah. They don't think that far ahead, they don't think about preservation in that same way. Um yeah, they just want to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_01:It's sort of quite immediate and sort of it's immediate and sort of incendiary, isn't it? We just want this to happen because that gives us it's it's all around power. It's all around power and control. And and there's just very little foresight into well, what is that what does that actually what does that mean? What's going to happen? How would that happen? What is the problem? What would we actually like done about it? Where is the corruption? Where's it occurring? In which section of government? There's just absolutely it's so light on deep, yeah, and so light on detail.
SPEAKER_00:The irony is as well, like if they looked into like certain politicians that do you look at you look at some like Labour politicians and and even Greens, etc. They they're calling out genuine sort of areas that need inquiry and and things, and they they'd be the first to say, like, oh, you know, socialists or you know, and just dismiss it based on their political leanings. But yeah, some of my I I gen my my 3 a.m. thought is that they probably some of these people, what they claim they want, probab uh actually aligns more with like um what they would call like leftist like kind of ideology. It's like it it's already but uh a very cringe tastic thing happened um following the second uh march is that did you say cringe tastic? It's cringe tastic because it's just um I just have to just just sneak it in. Is that just sneak, sneak, sneak, go away?
SPEAKER_01:Because you're sneaking, yep.
SPEAKER_00:That's it. The the the flop of the second um march. I saw some chatter on Beck Freedom's page where um someone had asked, so this was it was the weekend before um Albanese was to be meeting with with Trump doing on the minerals deal, right? So um whole other conversation might go into that. But um someone actually asked, Does anyone have any connections in the White House so they can tell Trump to give Albanese a dressing down? On on they thought it was gonna be like a a Zelensky moment almost where where Albanese would walk in and um some of these cookers who who are obviously in American Q groups and various things, they they think they have the year of Trump and we're gonna um you know give give Albanese a dressing down because of you know just this sense of like the universe evolves around then. Yeah, I know it's this yeah. It broke their little hearts when Trump was like Hi, it's a it was a funny moment. Well, even more than that, is is Trump's like, I think he's an excellent Australia has a great prime minister, you've got a great leader here, and even Albert Easy's like, I'm gonna use this in my my 2028 campaign, you know, this in the videos like it it just broke their brains that that this sort of this this narrative that that no, like Trump was meant to to scold him and tell him off. And my connection on Telegram, who said he's worked in the White House, told me that, you know, so it's just I just have to add that in.
SPEAKER_01:It's just I know I think I I actually saw that as well. Um this notion, it is this incredibly sort of psychopathic, pumped up sense of relevance, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00:That that's right.
SPEAKER_01:That I where we we are the ones who know, and you know, we've got we've got the ear of the the president of the United States, and we've got influence, and of course they've got absolutely none.
SPEAKER_00:That's right.
SPEAKER_01:They're flailing around like salmon, right?
SPEAKER_00:That's correct. Yeah, it's um yeah, it it's yeah, so that's I mean, there's there's probably a lot more I could say. There's definitely a lot more that's gonna happen. Um, yeah, it's it's it's we just have to make fun of it at the moment as we as we watch it unfold.
SPEAKER_01:Um I I think we do. We have to make fun of it when we're gonna be able to do that. Yeah, I and I think we have to keep it out there because as we know, um there is there is a portion of the you know, a large portion of the Australian population that is struggling at the moment. Um housing is very expensive, um, groceries are very expensive, there's a big issue with housing, etc. etc. Power is expensive. And so people when they are vulnerable and feeling disenfranchised and feeling forgotten, then these are the people that are going to be vulnerable to these broad stroke messages of sort of rebellion, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. And the the the thing is, like, not going into like solution mode necessarily, but you know, you think back to recent elections, like Bill Shorten almost pretty much lost the election because was going to roll out negative gearing reforms, you know. Yeah. Um like when when Victoria's introduced additional taxes on investment properties, like these same conservative groups, like calling them, oh, it's socialist and it's you know, it's this and that. So it's like when whenever the government tries to roll out genuine solutions to these problems, very real problems, yeah, uh, they they they arc up against that anyway. Like it's it's it's bizarre. Um and and and as I've touched on a previous thing, like, yeah, maybe the skilled migration situation um needs to be revamped and and making sure that we're like having the right skills coming into Australia for the shortages of things. I think when I I read recently that last year out of um several hundred thousand um or a hundred thousand working um skilled visas to Australia, like only four thousand of those were construction workers. Yeah, I'd say we probably need a a massive influx, yeah, absolutely of that. Like I um I I love Melbourne's um barista culture and and you know, I love everything about Melbourne, but it's like um I don't know. Like if like I don't know there's there's certain skills on there that that perhaps we could um forego for the moment in order to make sure we're getting the right skills in for you know what we need and and and stuff. So um yeah, I don't know. I just think yeah, g genuine genuine critique and genuine sort of genuine analysis, just they do get railroaded by cleaners and it's they're not they're not doing any favors.
SPEAKER_01:So we need to keep our eye on the the cooker wars, um see what they're saying now and keep keep you know keep up with the refutation and keep up with the debunking because we don't want vulnerable people um to be caught up in this. There is never any solution. It is never a solution to join a group of conspiracy theorists. They never they are never ever going to have the answer because everything they say, nothing is grounded in reality or truth, correct?
SPEAKER_00:It's a road to misery. It's a road to misery. You stare into it at your own peril.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. You stare into the abyss of the conspiracy theorists or up at the sky at the at the contrails. What do they call them? The chemtrails, the madness of that. Well, that was a delight, Snakey Gherkin. Thank you very much. Now I know that you're super busy and you have a family and you have a very important job being a spy. I know that. Um but will you come back on again and let's report on the next round?
SPEAKER_00:I'd love to. Yeah, let's do um, I think the 15th one's gonna be a bit of a bit of a fizzle. Uh but let's let's let's wrap them both up after the 30th of November, perhaps. And we'll we can we can do that. And um yeah, for sure. Happy to be on.
SPEAKER_01:Um sorry I've I've got a bit of it hard to get a hold of lately, but I know it's because of your extensive spy work, and I understand it. Yeah, it's hot. The gherkin is busy. Yeah, yeah, the the gherkin is is is very caught up in the uh in this in the spy world. All right, it's been lovely talking to you. Thank you. Um thank you so much, and thank you so much, listeners, for tuning in. Um, as always, stay safe, stay well, keep your critical thinking hats on. See you later. Bye. Thanks for tuning in to Why Smart Women with me, Annie McCubbin. I hope today's episode has ignited your curiosity and left you feeling inspired by my anti-motivational style. Join me next time as we continue to unravel the fascinating layers of our brains and develop ways to sort out the fact from the fiction and the over 6,000 thoughts we have in the course of every day. Remember, intelligence isn't enough. You can be as smart as paint, but it's not just about what you know, it's about how you think. And in all this talk of whether or not you can trust your gut. If you ever feel unsafe, whether it's in the street, work, car park, in a bar, or in your own home, please, please respect that gut feeling. Staying safe needs to be our primary objective. We can build better lives, but we have to stay safe to do that. And don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review the podcast and share it with your fellow smart women and allies. Together we're hopefully reshaping the narrative around women and making better decisions. So until next time, stay sharp, stay savvy, and keep your critical thinking hat shiny. This is Annie McCubbin signing off from White Smart Women. See you later. This episode was produced by Harrison Hest. It was executive produced and written by me, Annie McCubbin.
