Welcome To Wise Women Stories Series 2

In this episode, Inarra and Edwina discuss the book 'Daughters of Copper Woman' by Anne Cameron. They explore the themes of endurance, resilience, and the power of storytelling. The book begins with a bittersweet story of a young girl named Copper Woman who survives a devastating journey and must endure the loss of her companions. Through her endurance, she learns new skills and finds strength in the face of hardship. The chapter ends with the idea that it is not the event itself that defines us, but how we navigate and endure through it.

Takeaways

Endurance and resilience are key themes in 'Daughters of Copper Woman'

• Hardship and loss can lead to personal growth and strength.
• The power of storytelling and the connection to ancestral wisdom.
• It is not the event itself that defines us, but how we navigate and endure through it.

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to 'Daughters of Copper Woman'
• 11:36 Chapter 1: Old Magic and Endurance

Transcript

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (00:02.156)

Well, hello, beautiful women of Wise Women's Stories. We're opening with series two today, and I could not be more excited about sharing with you a book that is so deep to my heart called Daughters of Copper Woman by Anne Cameron. And I'm here with Edwina, and we are really excited because it's the second series and...

Really what we're sharing with you today, we've swapped roles. So I will be leading this part. I know this book more than Edwina does. It's actually been pivotal in some of the teachings that I teach. It's been, you know, a bedrock that I lean into. It's so deep. And it starts on a bummer. So warning, it starts on it's not a high.

And I often say to people, if you want a great story in your life when people are having a hard time, you don't want a movie that goes, boy meets girl the end. You want,

These two they met and then the guy or the other woman had to go away and she was somewhere else. And then the other one was sad and it was difficult. And then she had to rebuild something. Then they reconnected and it didn't end there. And then there was another saga that goes on. But in the end, they come together and you're like, yay, what a great film versus the too easy approach. So this is not an easy approach. This is stories of power for women.

And so I might open just by saying who we are again. I'll hand you over to Edwina. Who are you darling?

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (01:51.998)

Hello beautiful women and welcome back to season two. I'm thrilled to be back doing this beautiful book with Inara. For those of you that I haven't met before now, Edwina Murphy -Droomer is my name and I am, I love this, I am dot dot dot. I am in essence a life coach and a vision builder. I'm a mum of four.

I've been married and divorced and I've lived a very rich and amazing extraordinary adventure of life and to my early 50s now 52. And I think that's probably enough other than to say one of my greatest loves in life and probably I would go so far as to say the most is the most the deepest source of inspiration in my life has

beyond the beautiful people that I meet has been stories which has driven this passion, but not just any stories, stories that have a richness that evoke something, that unlock something in us. So that is why we've started this podcast and started with Women Who Run With The Wolves and now we're diving into a book that for the most part at this point in time is quite unknown to me.

But I'm excited to be led by Inara as we embark on a new journey into the daughters of Copperwoman.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (03:19.894)

such a wonderful title. And I am, amongst many other things, I would say that I ultimately am a spiritual coach. And my background has been, I would say, very weird for a lot of people. You know, when I tell them my story, they're like, Whoa, it's like something out of a fairy tale. And it kind of is. But I have focused for the last

15 years on being a spiritual business coach. And so I take all the work that I've done in spiritual circles. I was trained in an indigenous British method of ancient wise woman. So in that seat, I'm a high priestess. That's why I will, you will really get it why I've chosen this book. There's a lot of elders speak to the community and elders who help.

the community. And so that would be my role. And then the other side of it is that I collided with big business at some point. I had no interest in it whatsoever. And then the collision made me aware that actually the spiritual work that I do can be put spiritual creative, shall we say can be put into any context.

At the time, I thought it was the most unusual connection to put it into business. But now I understand they're all frequencies and it's all the same, whatever you're creating. So my intention for bringing this book forward really is

Feminine Empowerment. I'm a great champion of women and girls. And I have always sought out fairy stories when I was younger. That's why I was so attracted to, you know, the Baba Yaga in the first series, because I led a life of reading fairy tales all the time and seeing the deep richness. I think Edwina and I really meet on that plane, amongst many others.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (05:20.098)

So it is a great privilege to introduce you to this and Daughters of Copper Woman, what we realized is we have very different editions because mine is probably, I think it's really quite old. This one, it's, you know, it was released in 81. I probably read it around that time. And I don't know, let's have a look. Is it 81?

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (05:34.53)

Yeah.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (05:44.782)

This is the revised edition 2002.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (05:50.146)

Okay, this is 1997. Yeah. So I've got an earlier edition than you. Therefore our pages don't line up. And we arrive feeling a little bit out to sea at this point, but no matter. I'm going to. Yeah.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (05:52.533)

Okay.

Yeah.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (06:05.378)

Yeah. So I think it's, I think it is important, you know, as you're listening to this, that you realize it's okay if you haven't, if you haven't read it, but we like to use these beautiful old stories for inspirations, for the teachings that we want to share. So if you want to get yourself a copy by all means, get a copy. But if you don't have it, there is still, you can come on us, come on the journey with us, regardless.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (06:34.186)

Yeah. So I'm going to do, I'm going to talk a little bit about the preface and I'm not going to go into it in great detail, but I want you to understand who Anne Cameron is. She's a storyteller and a poet, and she lived in the area of Canada. This is indigenous Canadian First Nation origin stories. She's a white woman who lived in that area and had a relationship.

with the elders and the women of the indigenous tribes in that area. And she says, these women shared their stories with me because they knew I would not use them without their permission. Some years ago, they gave me permission to write poetry about old woman. The summer of 1980, I was told that if I wanted, I could tell what I knew.

And the style I have chosen most clearly approaches the style in which the stories were given to me. A few dedicated women belong to a matriarchal matrilineal society. These women prefer not to be publicly named or honored. They prefer that their identity and the rituals of their society be kept a secret. And I respect their wishes. And then from what I recall, there was a time when

They gave her permission to release it all. It was like a moment in time when the elders, the elder matriarch said, it is time for Western women to know these stories. And so the decision was made and she's part of that. She's part of the telling of these tales. They also, ironically, they talk about Captain Cook, incidentally, is in my family tree.

So I'm related to him. And I had a very funny conversation with in Hawaii once because you know, Captain Cook ended, he was an explorer. Of course, he was a colonialist. And he came from the north of England where the shipbuilding was really big for hundreds and thousands of years. And so he was one of those explorers. And in his own right, there's a good side of him. However, he arrived in Hawaii and

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (08:43.65)

Mm.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (08:53.766)

they captured him and they boiled him alive and ate him. And that's Captain Cook's end. And I did have a hilarious conversation once on a bath in Hawaii with a native guy who, and he said something about Captain Cook and I went, that's hilarious. Not hilarious, but my ancestor was eaten by your ancestors. And he went, yeah. So this

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (08:57.674)

Huh?

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (09:23.49)

also has a bit of a link to old Captain Cook's that she makes a point of saying that in the 85 years between Captain Cook's visit in 1778 and the Royal Fellowship census in 1863, so that is less than a hundred years later from him arriving, the Nutka nation was decimated. It says that Nitinat once numbered more than 8 ,000 people.

And by that time, less than 35 people remained. And so what we're looking at is stories where there is also the sadness of this colonial thing. talks about, I found it very interesting that she talks in Clairequat Sound, which is an area. More than a thousand warriors, their multiple wives, children and slaves had been reduced to a total of 135 from.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (09:56.172)

Mmm.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (10:22.882)

more than 1000. So you can see the decimation happens and but there's those slaves mentioned, those multiple wives mentioned. it's not sometimes we look to these ancient tribes and we think they have all the answers like you know, they were pure and clear and then along come the ugly colonialists and then it's all really nasty from that point on.

And what I would add to this is as somebody who's studied a lot of history, you go back, everybody had slaves, everybody had wars. A lot of people had multiple wives. It wasn't the wives choice. It was, you know, not a great, not a great time. And then another not a great time came on top of a not another great time.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (11:03.184)

Yeah.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (11:11.084)

So when we go to the first chapter, which is called Old Magic in my edition, we're talking about times in which there is immense hardship has taken place. And this is where we pick up the trail of this story. So I like this little, this one sentence, old magic.

old ways, the old ones themselves often seem powerless in a new place. Is it that their force comes from the familiar? Or is it that they allow events to happen, moving only when needed? Or do they have reasons only that they can fully understand, reasons for allowing 12 of their original 13 to leave their shells and pass over within hours of each other?

So the first piece of the story is that on a rocky coastline, a boat arrives. And on that boat, there are 13 people. Some of them are no longer alive, and some of them are just in the last throes of death. And there's one young girl who is Copper Woman.

She is the child copper woman who has been kept alive by these elders who have when she's needed water on the journey, they've said, yeah, there's enough water and they haven't had enough water, right? They've just fed her. So there's a whole thing about elders preserving their energy into the new. They know that they aren't gonna survive. So 12 of them die and

When she arrives, the boat arrives on the shore and she's spilled out into the waters and she actually arrives in fresh water. She's able to go to the part of the stream where there's fresh water coming out and she washes all the salt off her and she starts to drink. And it's the beginning of a revival after the death of an old way. The first task that she has is to bury

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (13:23.074)

Mm.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (13:27.778)

or burn on a pyre all 12 of her beloved companions. And so there's immense heartbreak right at the beginning. And also knowing that she's the one in new territory and all the elders who fed her with all these stories to keep her alive, to keep her going, they fed her everything that they've got.

to step into this new realm. But the first bit is like heartbreak. She has to, you know, burn them on a pyre, get rid of every single one of them. And then she starts to learn the lay of the land. So there's this immense loss before the gaining of something. Now it doesn't end there because then another boat arrives with three

ancient women who are like parchment paper. And these are the old ones. And again, she's so thrilled that she has company. She's no longer lonely. She spent four years on her own. And at this point, she's learned how to where to eat, how to look after herself, all of that kind of thing. But the loneliness is unbearable.

And there's a piece of endurance that starts to come through in this in this first chapter, which is endurance, endurance, endurance, there are all these tasks she has to do, which are ghastly. So as these elder three finally die off, she then has to do four pyres all together. First are the 12. She does one fire for them. And then as each of the other three die, there's this sacred union of four.

And it's mentioned that there are four different pyres that she has to burn. And that's the sacred key. And from that point on, life starts. So I wanted to bring in your comments about

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (15:32.96)

And I will read a few excerpts from this, but it's like when you have had an unbearable experience before, when something in your life has just decimated, that's the word they use here, decimated a previous existence so that you have to arrive as a fresh,

being and you have to learn how to look after yourself again, you have to learn new skills, you have to do all this stuff and then there may be even more sadness comes along, you know, and you but you cope and there is this period of just simply enduring. I thought you would be a great person to speak about that. So over to you Edwina.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (16:03.832)

Hmm.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (16:14.976)

Yeah, I definitely can. you know, there's, there is, there is one sort of thing that's, that's in my mind from the introduction that you gave about, you know, we look at ancient times through, you know, these rose colored glasses of how everything was better before we stuffed it all up. And I think that there is, you know, there is a great wisdom in looking at it with discernment because

I see the pattern over over centuries and decades of the desire to throw out everything in favor of the new and the discernment is missing because there is the really amazing stuff that we can bring forward from ancient times. That is the stories. It's the knowledge of medicine women. It is how to live in harmony with the natural world. It is

that there's so much that we have examples of that work to perfection that we throw away in favor of something new. So there is that thread. And when I think about how to draw that thread into a story that is meaningful for this subject.

My dad went to a very fabulous boarding school. His parents lived in rural Australia and he went to boarding school when he was four years old, if you can imagine that, that it even existed. And he had a great connection to this school and he was quite saddened when he had three daughters and he...

couldn't send a son to the school because it was an all boys school and then he decided it became co -ed and he was had such fond memories of the school that he packed up the family and we moved when the school became co -ed and we all ended up going to that school and it was I there were there were a few good years and a lot of years that took me

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (18:33.346)

most of my adult life to recover from because they were so awful. And I think, you know, like that desire to hang on to tradition, that desire to hang on to what was amazing, regardless of the obvious that it's no longer working. That's, you know, like that's one example. And it was the experience of going through that, that...

I feel was the reason I left school with no clear identity of who I was. I was scrabbling for people to tell me who I was. I was scrabbling for other people to give me permission to do things, to give me a sense of belonging, to tell me I fit in. Like it was all this external searching all the time, which is how I ended up.

in a marriage with somebody that we were very ill -suited from the get -go. And we hung on because we were married and that's what you do and we had four children and then when he decided to pull the pin and walked away and I became a sole care parent of four children aged eight, six, four and five months old.

That was my lighting the pyre moments. That was the like, who I was could no longer be. I had to become somebody completely different. And it was a journey of years. It wasn't a, wish I could have lit a fire and walked out the other side who I needed to be, but it was a journey that took years, but...

I can see the clear need for something really significant to happen in order for me to actually become who I needed to become.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (20:31.978)

Yeah, I mean, that's such a powerful story every time you tell it, I'm like, you know, it sounds so hardcore. And when you've talked about it before, you've just said it, but there was a moment when you said it was not easy at all. And

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (20:38.391)

Mm. Yeah.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (20:53.814)

You you, sort of, tell the tales now, don't we? Like scars, we tell the tales that we've endured and we've a lot of healing on it. And so we're able to just say it. However, if you just step into that, you know, the youngest baby is five months. That's outrageous. It's just.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (20:57.581)

Yeah.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (21:11.224)

Yeah. I can remember, we had these, we were on a small farm and we had these raised vegetable garden beds and I can remember when my first husband left and my four babies were not yet awake, sitting outside on the edge of the veggie garden bed, just the flood gate, it was like my soul had just been ripped open.

the absolute grief, the shock, the everything that started to pour out. And then having to go in and tell my babies, he comes to tears, to tell my babies that their dad had gone. He literally packed a bag and walked away. It was a really tough time and it was 12 months of...

I've, you know, I've got story after story. remember, you know, getting the kids getting tonsillitis and being so sick. was still breastfeeding my baby and I had it as well. And I was so busy nursing these four children that I got to the point I couldn't even swallow my own saliva. So I got so dehydrated. I still remember packing my kids up at, you know, three or four o 'clock in the morning, these babies and taking, cutting them all into hospital because I was started to be concerned for myself and

the doctor wouldn't let me leave the kids still even though they were tiny, they still tell the story they remember because we didn't watch TV and stuff in those days and the nurses put on TV and fed them lollies they didn't get lollies from me either. So all the things that they thought was amazing. So they've got these great memories of when mommy went to hospital it was so fun. But yeah, I remember the doctor saying you are not

you can't, I'm not letting you leave until you ring somebody. I had so much pride that I was just didn't want anyone to know what a, what a mess I was. And I had to ring. I still, my dear friend, Marta, I don't know if she'll listen to this. She was the youngest of 10 children. So she was like an absolute rock in my life, a very, very dear friend. And I rang her and said, I, the doctor won't let me leave unless I ring somebody. And so she came and that was

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (23:27.928)

That was, you know, like a really amazing moment of starting to understand sisterhood and friendship with women as well, because that's another part of my story. It's not something that I did particularly well before that. yeah, lots of stories.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (23:43.764)

Well, I think it fits in very well with I think this is a really profound quote in this midst of the of the awfulness that she is dealing with copper woman at this point is becoming copper woman, right? She's a young girl, but this bit

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (23:49.709)

Mm.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (24:02.284)

And they're talking about how she's moving the bodies and the belongings from the caracal, which is this boat. And she's basically building the pyre. Four tiers, three sisters to a tier, magic four as the four winds, the four directions, the four parts of a tree and the four seasons. And

It says here, the old ones did not waken, nor had they moved to use the power against the bearded giants. That's mention of colonialism. Time and time again, the magic did not do what was needed. And so the council gathered and told them all that when this happened, it did not mean the magic was gone.

Nor did it mean the old ones were angry. It meant simply that it was time. Time for movement, time for change, time for expansion, time to do as the trees in their time moves the seeds on the wings of the wind. And so it's when we hit these, these times we often go, you know, like it's bad karma or

you know, we're trying to align and that's the self worth issue right there, like something you did wrong, even at the level of life itself. You know, I'm out of place with life itself. That's why this is happening. And we try and find answers. And this is this bit, it did not mean that the magic was gone either, because when people are in an awful situation, they can think like the gods have turned their

backs on me. This is a sort of old statement. And I can imagine people in a really dire situation, I'll bring one up because I was so moved by it. I have a friend who's running a charity for Gaza and I ran an event for a woman and her husband and her baby who are stuck in Rafa. Well, no longer in Rafa. Everything has been blown up. Their house has been blown up.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (25:56.845)

Yeah.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (26:21.184)

They've moved to different parts, which then get blown up, then they run again. And she's an Arabic English teacher. She's incredibly articulate, beautiful young woman. And because I did this event online to help support them, one day randomly, I'm in London, I get this phone call and it's a video phone call from, from Rafa. And it's not from somebody I know.

It's from somebody who's probably linked me with this event and then, you know, randomly. And I had this moment where I was like, I know they're calling and it's going to be an ask for money. It'll be an ask for something. And I asked myself, can I handle it? You know what I mean? It's like, how, how can I, living in London, not handle what I was about to engage with?

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (27:12.448)

Mm. Mm.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (27:17.506)

But you have these moments, what do they want from me, etc. That kind of thing. But I chose to answer the phone call and it was a video call. And I was transported into this tent with 18 people in it, mostly women. The woman who contacted me

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (27:20.224)

Yeah. Yeah.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (27:36.136)

She just wanted connection. She just wanted somebody to to be with her right because she was at the lowest ebb. She told me she they are able to get a shower once every three weeks. There is no privacy whatsoever. It's not a shower. It's just you're able to get a wash, proper wash. They live in searing heat. She introduced me

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (27:53.262)

water.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (28:00.5)

Probably the way they do because they've got such hospitality to every member of her family and her extended family. I met the children. I met the uncles, the wives and the sisters and the elders. So I met the old grandparents who like I feel emotional saying this right now. So I'm going to just try and carry on.

I, every single one of them, the kids were smiling and you know, and they're saying, you're a beautiful person. And I was thinking, I am just this person who's answered a phone call. You know, that's all. And then she told me more about her life and is there anything I could do to help? And because I was so moved by this devastation that I was witnessing,

of people in the middle of genocide. Like, when do we get, you know, who gets that opportunity to witness, to be in there with them, right? Normally we live our lives, we don't get touched by it. But I was so moved by it. I said, I'm going to contact this friend of mine and I'm, I know that they did a little charity for 10 people. I'm going to get you on this. I'm going to get you, you're the 11th family who will be helped. And

So I took from that phone call, then went and pleaded with my friend about how to extend the charity just for five more families so they could do 15, which they've been thinking about. And I got this woman in as the 11th family. And it was the power of this connection, this sisterhood thing. was nothing else. know, she didn't know me, I didn't know her. I even recognized that moment of like,

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (29:33.731)

yeah.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (29:48.63)

probably even friends who they know you're going through a devastating time. They can't handle it. They don't want to pick up the phone to you. They don't, you know, and so we develop pride in that moment of I'm not going to ask anyone for help. And it was one of the most profound experiences of my life. would go back a thousand times and do it again. It was just simply amazing. And there's a little bit of help going to that family because of that, but

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (29:58.167)

Yeah.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (30:09.004)

Yeah.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (30:17.58)

Yeah.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (30:18.934)

Devastation is happening all the time. And it doesn't mean that you look away from it. It's like you look at it, you engage with it, you do what you can with it. And also your responsibility is to live your life as well. You know, there's this deep... Do you want to say anything about that?

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (30:36.187)

Yeah. Yeah. I think the, you know, the, the, the key piece to take away from these stories is it's not the event itself that defines us. You know, we can get very caught in shame or what would other people think, or it's not the event that defines us. It's who we are in, in the situation. It's who we are in the event.

that really defines us. you know, hiding and disappearing and not connecting and not asking for help is not an act of bravery, it's not an act of courage, it's not an act of wisdom in most situations.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (31:06.987)

Yeah.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (31:22.59)

Yeah. So this bit about, feeling that it did not mean the magic was gone because in so many moments and instances, like when your first husband left you, you can feel, you know, there's no help whatsoever out there and the magic is gone or I did something or I'm not a fit with life itself. But this piece is really powerful. It was just simply time.

and it's time for movement. And at that point, when we go into that, I just remember when you're screaming sideways because you just don't want to move at all. And then it's like, life is for me. And that little energy comes through as a little bit of energy of power that starts to come through. Hang on a minute. I'm not defined by this horrendous circumstance.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (31:52.14)

Yep. Yep.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (32:14.797)

Hmm.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (32:21.108)

I'm moving through it, I'm going to feel all the things I feel, but then it's like, okay. So where it goes from this is, and she endured, endured. She learned to weave weirs to lay at the high tide. And when the water went down at low tide, caught in the weirs were fish to be separated or netted, or sometimes grabbed with bare hands. She endured and survived marginally, perhaps.

But it is not required of us that we live well. It is required that we endure. And so that's what I said. This phase of the book is a bit of a bummer, people, but it's the idea of endurance and that builds what I think is capacity for leadership, for power, empowerment. And it's not the easy route that will build you. It's the tough stuff that will build you.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (33:06.306)

Hmm.

Yeah.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (33:20.046)

think it's also the capacity for kindness and empathy. You know, when you've never been through anything. Or if you haven't been through a great deal. It's like your ability to really empathize and have that level of kindness and compassion is less. I believe.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (33:41.024)

Yeah. And I often say there's the whole idea about the wounded healer, which is a whole teaching in itself. If you want a great healer, go get a wounded healer. It's like, they're the ones who have had to go through something, not just super shiny. Hey, you know, I studied something. No, no, no, it's got to be life experience itself that builds that level of compassion.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (33:46.678)

Hmm.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (33:56.258)

Yeah. Yeah.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (34:06.808)

Yeah. And this is, I think it's an interesting differentiation between the clinical psychologist that is supporting from knowledge learnt in university or a book versus the, the, and not, please don't think I'm saying one's better than the other. It's just the point of difference is, you know, people that teach life coaching or support through life coaching.

purely from life experience and from what they've learned. It's that sitting at the feet of women who have gone before you, it's sitting at the feet of grandmothers and mothers and aunts, that is a very different healing. It's a very different passing on of wisdom and tools, which I think is what, you know, that's what Inara and I are all about.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (34:53.354)

We sure are. So it comes to the ending of this chapter. And what I want to pick up on is that there's a mention continuously of four. There's these four acts of four acts of letting go four pires that are burned, four seasons, four winds of change, four pieces of parts of a tree they talk about.

They go on and on and on about four at this point. So I'll just read you this little bit because four is the number of, it's a very sacred number of stability. It's, known as, well, you imagine a four can be drawn into a square. It's foundational. And in order to set forth on the next step, there needs to be a foundation. So she is going through a symbolic enactment of.

Probably the things that we have to do right after the devastation. You you have to know that you're dealing with something. You have to then find the steps that are gonna get you out of there. The tools that are going to help you, et cetera. And this four reference, for a fourth time, a pyre was built and the runes written.

For a fourth time the words were said and the smoke rose to heaven. With the completion of the magic four, the place became forever sacred. Never again to just be an ordinary beach, but always and forever a gathering place for spirits and those gone beyond our ken. Those who are familiar with the truth of the time, even though no one will ever tell which bay or cove the beach is, which one is the one.

know when they have arrived at the place they know it by the feelings and the textures by the communication of spirits and always with the knowing comes the confidence that at some time a previous body made a previous visit for this is the continuity of spirit sharing so it's like you

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (37:04.222)

ultimately are not alone. It's like you walk into a place there will have been many stories, many stages of endurance, many previous women's experience, and it's not lost. It's that's the old magic. You can feel it with feelings and intuit things. So

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (37:24.972)

Yeah, I, you know, I, it's, it's, it's interesting when other people see you better than you see yourself. And I was trying to describe, you know, the essence of something I was trying to work out about myself with my husband. And he said, but you know, like everything that you has have to have story. So if I want to go and stay in a hotel, it's got to be an old story, you know, hotel that's been there forever. And it's had a thousand people walk the floorboards or thousands of, you know, like I, I love, I've got

you know, clothing and jewelry that's been passed down from my grandmother and my mother and my aunt. And it's like, they're the pieces that I treasure. It's like, I love being connected to the stories that.

You know, like even even Chanel number five, it's not about Chanel number five. It's the visual of the soldiers coming back from war and lining up outside Chanel to buy Chanel number five for their wives and girlfriends that they hadn't seen for years. You know, it's the stories that just keep me so that beautiful feeling of connection, that soul connection to the all the women and people that have come before us.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (38:34.197)

Yeah.

So it's an ideal place to rest at this time. This is the beginning of the story. And, like I said, it's, causes a space when there's been devastation, what the real essence of this is. It was time to change. There was time for a shift and we can say that I think when, when we're going, I'm going through a bit of a reinvention myself and it's like, it looks like I may be relocating right now.

And I was just telling Edwina, when I look around my place, I'm like, my God, like the drawers. So I tackled three of the drawers the other day and it was like, I carry so much stuff with me. I've not even looked really in those drawers for 17 years, not really. And I stuff stuff in it. And then it's like, and now it's time for a change. And the change is a devastation of the old.

There will be a period of time that I am dealing, just dealing with the stuff in order to create the new life. And then the new life is calling me and going, life is for you. And when I'm freaking out, I'm going, hang on a minute. This is, this is meant to be, even though I don't always feel strong, you know? Yeah.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (39:48.834)

Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I talk a lot in my community about the seasons of change and using the metaphor or the literal season of autumn is that letting go. It's like, what are we releasing? It's what is it time to leave behind? And it can be as as you know, like it can be a decluttering of the house. can be a relationships. It can be ways of being and the way that we speak to ourselves. It can be

weight, it can be in like all sorts of different things, but regardless of what it is, it comes with discomfort. And it's understanding that if we are prepared to be with that discomfort and move through the good stuff's on the other side, but it's here that so many people get stuck. So it's a pivotal understanding. It's a really important, I think it's a great place to leave this podcast is just with this reflection of what's the

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (40:34.102)

you

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (40:54.102)

Yeah.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (40:56.492)

What's the discomfort that I'm avoiding that's keeping me where I am?

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (41:00.672)

Yeah, absolutely. So on that beautiful note, we shall end this particular episode and tune in again, because now we're going through the whole book and it goes more uplifting after this. But hey, devastation is part of life. So it's an important one. Thank you for being here with us again. We are so enjoying the journey with you and with ourselves. We're having a blast. Yeah.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (41:13.9)

Yeah.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (41:19.608)

Yeah.

Inarra  Aryane Griffyn (41:29.792)

and it's goodbye from us. See you on the next episode.

Edwina Murphy-Droomer (41:32.11)

Alright, thank you so much Beautiful Souls. We'll see you again next time. Bye for now.