A Boomer and GenXer Walk into a Bar
Wit and wisdom, some smart assery, and a Mother and Daughter questioning “Are we even related?”
A Boomer and GenXer Walk into a Bar
Dress Codes for the Decades: A Mother-Daughter Showdown S:1E:46
Do we really need to dress our age? That's the question sparking a lively mother-daughter debate in this episode where we explore society's unwritten fashion rules and whether they deserve to be followed—or gleefully broken.
Jane, representing the Boomer perspective, admits she still wears shorter skirts and hip-hugger bell bottoms in her 60s, while Bobbi questions whether certain styles should be retired after specific age milestones.
We tackle the uncomfortable truth that judgments about "appropriate" clothing often mask body shaming and ageism. Why can a 60-year-old slender woman wear a short skirt with less judgment than her heavier counterpart? And why do we roll our eyes at the 50-year-old man in a backwards baseball cap and skinny jeans? These double standards expose our complicated relationship with aging and self-expression.
The episode concludes with admiration for people who make the effort to dress beautifully every day and a liberating message: wear what makes you feel good. As Bobbi puts it, "If that's what makes you feel beautiful and not want to take yourself out of this world every day, by God, go for it."
Share your fashion opinions with us! Drop us an email at boomerandgenexer@gmail.com with your thoughts or suggest topics for future episodes. And don't forget to follow, like and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.
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Speaker 2:Welcome everyone to today's show a boomer and a Gen Xer walking to a bar, coming to you from the rabbit hole studio, where you, as our listener, will experience some wit and wisdom, some smart assery and a mother and daughter questioning. Are we even related? My name is Bobbi Joy and my co-host is my lovely mother, jane, and for the next little while we're here to entertain, and I think today might be interesting Is it going to be interesting? I think so, because you told me what we're going to talk about and I kind of have a feeling that we'll be kind of on the opposite sides of the fence on this one, will we? I think so, huh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay. So, first and foremost, how's your chicken this week? He's good. What's his?
Speaker 2:name. Oh well, I think that I'm going to. I'm Timmy.
Speaker 3:So Lyle, timothy, and now Timmy, timmy, timmy, Okay, okay. So you've got your therapy chicken down there. Hey, whatever happened to our book about Brenda and her beaver?
Speaker 2:It gained a lot of popularity. It hit the New York Times bestseller list, did it really? I don't know if it did, but she does actually have an entire series of brenda's beaver and what he does.
Speaker 3:so there's another book that we talked about, which was who will eat my clown?
Speaker 2:that book should be banned.
Speaker 3:We read in like five countries both of those books, yeah, and we encouraged people to go get these books. They are kind of character books, uh, like cartoon type. They look like kids books but they are not no, they are not.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like how sausage party looked like a kid's movie, but it was not. It was not sausage party. Oh my god people taking their kids to it, thinking it's a kid's movie. I'm like so what gave it away? The mature rating or the fact that the title is sausage party, and they're like we thought it was a kids movie.
Speaker 3:It's like wow so there was um a podcast that we did about laws that we talked about here recently, and there was something that you had brought up afterwards that we kind of want to talk about. I mean, I just I thought it was interesting when you brought it up, so bring it up again oh, the one that I forgot.
Speaker 2:That I said should be legal in all the states. Yeah, yeah. So I believe that if two consenting adults would like to duel with no weapons, it should be legal there should be no assault charges.
Speaker 3:No, baby, wow, wow when you lose calling the cops so you should be able to stand out in the front yard and have a fist fight.
Speaker 2:Absolutely no weapons, no weapons just a fist fight and whoever is left standing, they're the winner yeah, I mean if you, if, if both people consent and they're both adults, why not?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't disagree with that because you know, as a hillbilly redneck, that's kind of how we were raised, right?
Speaker 2:I mean, we got raised, getting punched in the mouth, you know.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh. So whoever was left standing was the winner.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and nobody went home crying to their mom or dad or anything like well, no, because a lot of times, especially in my generation, if you go home and say you lost the fight at school, you got your ass whooped again when you got home that's not true, but I my generation yes, but I will say, as one of your parents I did say, that you know, if somebody comes after you and they try to take you down, you give them everything you've got yeah, I was always taught don't start it, but you finish it, you finish absolutely, you, betcha, and I remember your sister um and I'm off I'm off topic because this isn't even our topic today it's not your sister got into a fight with somebody at the roller skating rink and I think oh yeah, I was 14 years old.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was there and she, this girl was really bullying her badly. And um, I pulled up and I heard somebody because my window was down. Oh my gosh, her mom's here, yep, and uh, I remember this girl. Uh, when I got up there she'd beat the. She beat the crap out of my other daughter. Yeah, and I go. What happened? And she goes? Well, my daughter, she said, well, you know, she went to take her coat off and I go. That was a time to drop it.
Speaker 1:I mean her arms are back.
Speaker 3:She's taking her coat off to beat the crap out of you, and you're standing there.
Speaker 2:And the funny thing was, before you pulled up, little 9 and 10-year-old me had taken my skate off and was trying to hit the girl with my roller skate because my sister was getting her ass whooped.
Speaker 3:She was, she was, and I mean it was interesting. It was like holy crap. So you, let her take her coat off and she's got her arms around her. Let her take her coat off and she's got her arms right. I'd have dropped her to the ground, right there.
Speaker 3:I mean sorry folks, but sucker punch, yeah, I would have let her have it and you know it was all a done deal. By the time I walked up to that little girl and, uh, she wasn't little, she was 14 years old and I don't give a shit that she was underage because she was.
Speaker 2:She was a bully yeah but anyway, that was back in the day, I mean back in the day, back in the day before laws were laws.
Speaker 3:So our topic today I wanted to talk to you about and maybe we will disagree is fashion. And what age are you, or when is it acceptable and when is it not acceptable for men and women to wear certain clothing? So the reason I bring this up is because I am the boomer and I am in my 60s and I still wear a lot of clothes that probably, uh, might be too young for me. What do you think?
Speaker 2:I think that you're delusional in that now maybe some of the cuts and stuff might be a little risque for your age, but the clothes that you wear, I can guarantee you nobody under 50 knows knows those clothes. I mean the style and stuff.
Speaker 3:It's definitely old I wore hip hugger bell bottoms bless your heart is that a bad thing? I wear t-shirts marshalls. I don't shop at Marshalls. I don't shop at Marshalls.
Speaker 2:I know you don't because that's too young for you.
Speaker 3:So at what point do you know? Because I see some people and I'll talk about women specifically, because that's kind of what I look at and more women look at other women than they do men. Did you know that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's judgmental.
Speaker 3:It's very judgmental, and it's. You know, do they look better than me? Do they look younger than me? Are they wearing clothes that I want to have? And so Dr Domain is over here doing some sign language and we're not liking it. Dr Domain, you might want to just, I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1:I know you didn't say anything. There's a reason that women look at other women.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's because we look to see how they're hearing, we look to compare, we do, we look to compare ourselves to them, but then again.
Speaker 2:I mean like I'm 100% straight. I don't know what they call that anymore.
Speaker 2:I think they call it something there's a name for it Out of style I guess, but before I don't give a shit, I guess, um.
Speaker 2:But if there is a woman who looks just fabulous, you know I'm gonna look. I'm not gonna be like, oh baby, but I'm gonna appreciate the female body and go, man, I wish I could look like that type of thing. But you know, something that I learned a long time ago, especially when dealing with my own body issues and things like that, was there are two train of thoughts that you have. The first, the very first thing that you think of when you see someone, is what you are taught, how you are conditioned. The second thought that comes to your mind is who you are. So a lot of people will see these women and go oh, my god, she's dressed like a slut. And then the next thought is you go, girl, good for you, I'm proud of you for wearing that. Because the first thought is how you're conditioned, what you're raised to believe, whether it be with family, friends, the people you surround yourself with. The second thought is who you actually are okay, I'm not sure I agree with that.
Speaker 3:Um well, you're not a psychologist. So no, but I've got what a waste oh my gosh, what a waste that college degree was wasted on my mom I mean, I think it's a, it's a family thing.
Speaker 2:We all kind of waste our college degrees. But yeah, let's go for it. Okay, so clothing.
Speaker 3:But so I, just I, I, I want to say that, um, I don't agree with that, because I'm not sure that I was ever conditioned as a child. We were so poor, well, you guys wore burlap sacks.
Speaker 2:I mean literally, we were just happy to have clothes you know from the church that would hand them down to us.
Speaker 3:Uh, honest to god, that is the truth, but um. So, as an older woman, I do wear, you know, my skirts a little shorter.
Speaker 2:I don't wear long skirts but you're also a smaller woman, you're not? You're not. You don't have a large frame, you're not carrying a bunch of extra body weight type of thing. You, you're a. You're a very slender woman, and so it would be more fitting, socially acceptable. Let me rephrase that it would be more socially acceptable for someone your age to wear maybe a slightly shorter skirt than, let's say, someone who was heavier in your age.
Speaker 3:People would look down on it if it was a shorter skirt okay, all right, so I get that, but is that then fat shaming type thing?
Speaker 2:body shame it is, it's a body shaming thing, but I also think that, looking at someone and seeing what they're wearing and going, you shouldn't be wearing that. Look, unless it's a thong bikini at a public pool where a bunch of children are. I'm not, you know. Wear what you want. Wear what makes you happy. Yeah, you know, but it is. It's a body shaming thing, it's an age shaming thing, it's a really it all comes down to a jealousy thing well, you made the comment that you know, if you saw a really attractive woman, that you would go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she looks great. I would too, absolutely, absolutely not ashamed to look at another woman, because we do compare ourselves we do, women, I do I would like my hair to look like that we do or I would like to have that body shape.
Speaker 2:And I've worked, I've worked really hard to actually change my mindset from having like a jealous mindset over what other women look like to going, wow, she, she looks great, right, good for her.
Speaker 2:Right, she must have put in a lot of work. You know you can tell, especially people who have recently lost a lot of weight. You know they do have that skin issue and things. I look at him and go, wow, that must have been really hard for them. Yeah, like they must be really proud to be able to wear a tank top even though they have this skin, to have lost all that weight and feel comfortable in order to walk out in it.
Speaker 3:And I have a habit not a habit, I will say I feel very comfortable walking up to a perfect stranger and saying, wow, that dress looks great on you. Yeah, or that color is beautiful on you, or that color is beautiful on you. As a matter of fact, I went to the doctor yesterday and a gal was walking out and she had the cutest shoes on an older lady, the cutest shoes. And I got past her and I turned around and I said, hey, I just have to tell you those are the cutest shoes. And she stopped, smiled, told me about her shoes. She had had them for whatever and she got them wherever. And I said, well, they sure look cute on you. It probably made her day. Yeah, you know, but I am not afraid to tell somebody, man, they're beautiful.
Speaker 2:Right, and we'll be watching Dr Domaine and I will be watching a show and I'll go wow, that woman has a beautiful face, yeah, or she has beautiful hair, but I mean, but a lot of people think, okay, well, you can have that beauty, but you need to dress age appropriately. And it's not just for women, it's guys too.
Speaker 2:Right, I mean you see, you know 50-year-old guys out here in DCs and hurly shirts with the backwards baseball cap and the chains and I know a lot of people have said, oh my god, grow up, why don't you dress for your age? It's like what do you want them to wear?
Speaker 3:like peaky blinders, 1920s, you know outfits so what do you think about guys who wear buttoned down shirts and have the first three buttons unbuttoned? Um drug dealer they're part of the drug cartel if I need cocaine.
Speaker 2:That's where I'm going. That's all I'm saying. You look for the three buttons, undone or the top button, done either way, you're guaranteed to score. I look at them and I think 70s porn star, yes well, they got to have the stash and the hair and the gold chain.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, definitely yeah definitely, and so, yeah, I do think about that too, and I probably shouldn't, but it does bring back memories, I mean as long as it didn't come out of your mouth.
Speaker 2:Like I said, you know, the worst superhero uh power to have is to read people's thoughts, because the things I think on on an hourly basis that goes through my head could probably get me in guantanamo bay at this point now I have.
Speaker 3:You're gonna go to that alligator, alcatraz?
Speaker 2:I am yes yes, you know, they're selling t-shirts. I might want one. We may need one.
Speaker 3:Um, so I I will be. I will say I'm very guilty about looking at someone and if I know them pretty well, I might, and I've done this to you or to your sister no I have looked at people and waved my hand and went what's going on here? What is the deal?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, all the time. What's this? What is, what is? What are you doing here? What are we doing? What are we?
Speaker 3:wearing because that does not go together. And why are you wearing that like that?
Speaker 2:like just the other, just the other podcast that we, we recorded. You, you mentioned about the fact that I was wearing shorts. Yes, I don't wear shorts. Yeah, I really don't. Unless I'm at the beach or something like that, I don't wear shorts. And I was just like, okay, well f you, I just wanted to wear shorts, leave me alone. But it was laundry day yes, and you explained that.
Speaker 3:But at what point do you stop wearing daisy? Duke your short up your butt, hey I had stretch shorts underneath.
Speaker 1:No, I know you did but, I'm talking temperature drops below 100 there you go.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Of course, that coming, I thought I was gonna say when your skin drops below your knees, where your butt is yeah, it's hot it's been hot out lately, so Dr Domain is weighing in on this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and so because he will be the first one to say why don't you wear something like that? Or, you know, thong underwear, I'm old. First of all, yeah. And it looks like you know I'm trying to put you know some type of string around the raisin. It's not pretty.
Speaker 2:Well, that's why I said, especially like in public pools and stuff, the women who wear the thong bikinis and things like that, put your butt away, ma'am. Yeah, like I understand we're swimming and things, but there's children at that eye level that have to look at that.
Speaker 3:And our butts hang a lot lower than they used to. Yes, and even if it doesn't, yeah, mine used to be up and perky, Not anymore. Okay.
Speaker 2:It's hanging down to the back of my legs. Even if you're 20 years old and in your prime and you just got the perfect butt, I don't want to see it out at the pool.
Speaker 1:So what about? So there are limits. There are limits, that's my one limit is the whole thong underwear or a thong bikini. That's pretty subjective, though, right.
Speaker 2:In a public place with children. I just, I don't.
Speaker 3:Is that age appropriate? I mean if it was a young person would it make any difference.
Speaker 2:If it was a guy, I would still have the same feeling.
Speaker 1:So what about the folks that board the plane that look like they just left the carnival? You know, they got their pajamas on and clown pants and guilty, fuzzy slippers.
Speaker 2:Guilty because if I'm on a plane for six hours, I want to be comfortable.
Speaker 1:What if they're wearing a thong? If they're only wearing a thong?
Speaker 2:if they're only wearing a thong. How did they get past tsa?
Speaker 1:well, it's easy.
Speaker 3:I mean, there was nothing to search come on, there was nothing to search there.
Speaker 2:No, you're not putting your bare butt cheeks on places where other people sit. You shouldn't be wearing it to a pool. If you want to go to the lake, like a private lake access, and wear your thong bikini, floss your butt all you want, I don't care, but please keep it out of the public swimming pools.
Speaker 3:What about somebody who, because you see this on tv a lot now, because there's so many reality?
Speaker 2:shows I don't even watch and all.
Speaker 3:You can't flip a channel without seeing some reality show where somebody is either trying to marry somebody or trying to divorce somebody, or sounds like your algorithm knows you, I guess because mine are all crime documentaries. Well, I got those two, yeah, but anyways. But anyway, the low cleavage stuff, you know, like the really low cut stuff, and I think there's an age for that.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I think there's an age for that. It mirrors. It mirrors our morality or lack thereof what I think, so think so.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 1:A lot of these shows are you know? They were really really tight fitting.
Speaker 2:Well, that's for ratings, yeah, but it.
Speaker 1:Just it kind of matches the mentality level of it.
Speaker 2:But you're telling me that Zeke down the road who weighs 450 pounds and has boobs bigger than me, can go without a shirt and it's fine. 150 pounds and has boobs bigger than me can go without a shirt, and it's fine. But if I wear a low-cut cleavage shirt because my boobs sag a little when I'm 60, then that's an issue nope, zeke needs to cover up he needs some tassels he needs to get on a reality show he needs to get.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but no I don't. I don't think that low-cut things I mean if your boobs hang to your knees and you want a low-cut shirt. God bless your heart, man, go for it.
Speaker 3:I guess I think it's at that point. I think it's tacky.
Speaker 2:I think it's wear what you want to wear because in the end, no, that's not what you said, except for the thongs.
Speaker 1:On there are congressions, so you can't wear whatever you want to wear. You know what?
Speaker 2:just put the asterisk there and it's stuck there, Okay so what about men?
Speaker 3:What about men? Because? I think at some point men need to stop wearing skinny jeans, wearing their hats backwards and not wearing socks with their little loafers First of all, anybody who doesn't wear socks with shoes should be taken out and shot.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, that is the grossest thing. I don't care if you're wearing boat shoes, dock shoes. Hey, dudes, I don't care what they are, your feet smell bro, okay, I'm sorry unless it's slides or flip-flops.
Speaker 3:Put some damn socks on. I struggle with guys that are older wearing skinny jeans. Really, and the short skinny jeans, you know what what I mean? They're shorter. What do you mean Like? High waters, yeah, not like capri pants. Now she tells me. She's calling you out bud, because I've seen a lot of this Like short, skinny jeans, and then they've got little loafers on with no socks and their shirt is buttoned down And's like you know, three buttons down, are you?
Speaker 2:at the blazing saddle gay bar again, because I'm telling you you just named like eight people in there right now no but no I, I get what you're saying, but no, I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with that if you want to wear your hat backwards and you know I think if you're over 25, you don't need to be wearing your hat backwards I think you need to grow up. That's I disagree. I disagree. Wear it right if you're over 25 for crying out loud your ship
Speaker 2:has sailed your ship has. If you give me a tattooed dad bod guy with the beard and he turns his hat around backwards, it's over I'm getting married, dad bod okay no, yeah, and I want him to wear a tight shirt too, oh my gosh, to show those those man boobs.
Speaker 3:Show them moves, baby. I also think that if you're gonna wear a muscle shirt or a sleeveless shirt, that you should have muscles, okay, not just fat arms. Welcome to the gun show yeah, welcome to the gun show. That's nothing but fat there, big boy okay you don't like the bat wings where they flap and then you could fly or somebody comes up and you know wants to threaten you and it's like what are you?
Speaker 3:what are you gonna do? Chase me because you're like 350, 400 pounds. I'm sorry, I'm not fat. Shaming, I could care less that you're fat. Okay, I really and truly do. But don't act like you're all that.
Speaker 2:Don't act like you're hey, go for it, or anything like that. You want to wear the tap out shirts and you've never fought a day in your life and you're you're riding the scooter at the fair because you can't make it to the big barn.
Speaker 3:Go for it, hey, buddy the only clothing that bothers me and I'm serious, okay, the only clothing. That bothers me is when somebody wears military stuff and they've never been in the military.
Speaker 2:That bothers me a lot I only agree with that if they are trying to put themselves out as being in the military. Like they have the patches, they have the yeah but if you got somebody wearing camo pants, I mean you can go down and get him for that yeah, well, no, I'm not saying that kind of camo.
Speaker 2:I'm saying you know, one of your grandsons was big into that. You know he used to wear the military pants and the shirt tucked in and the boots, but he never once made it like he was in the military.
Speaker 3:I'm okay with that. It bothers me. It bothers me just because I don't want somebody.
Speaker 2:I'm okay with that, because look at all those pockets, so what's the?
Speaker 1:limit Just camo pants, or is it full on fatigues?
Speaker 3:No, I think that when you start, as Bobby said, when you start conveying yourself as someone who has been in the military, so insignia patches. So like the trousers are blouse and you have boots on and you have everything and you kind of act like you've been.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Give me a break.
Speaker 2:Well, that's like you know, that's like Becky out here that wears real tree hunting camo and she never been in the forest a day in her life. I'm offended that she's wearing hunting camo. She never been in the forest a day in her life. I'm offended that she's wearing hunting camo you ain't never shot a deer, you've never dressed one you. You step on a stick and catch a bug and it's over for you maybe I'm offended about that.
Speaker 1:It's different, is it different?
Speaker 2:she's posing as a. She's posing as a deer bunny I don't know a bush.
Speaker 3:We kind of derailed on this whole thing. I was kind of looking at short skirts, low cleavage, you know that sort of thing. Hey, go for it.
Speaker 2:I'm all for it. Man, If you're 88 years old and you want to pull out the skirt that you got your husband in in 1932, go for it.
Speaker 3:I don't disagree. I don't disagree with that. I just don't like Feel beautiful. Go for it. I don't disagree. I don't disagree with that. I just don't like Feel beautiful.
Speaker 2:I mean, if that's what makes you feel beautiful and not want to take yourself out of this world every day, if that's what it takes by God, go for it.
Speaker 3:So I've seen these women on YouTube and they're older women, older than me.
Speaker 2:Well, that's impossible. They don't know how to use YouTube.
Speaker 3:Dead science right there. They're older than me and they are dressing to the nines. I mean they are dressing up every single day.
Speaker 2:They are getting what else do they have to do?
Speaker 3:no, that's not it. They have things to do.
Speaker 2:Come on but I'm saying they're not working.
Speaker 3:If they're not, they got three hours, but their whole thing was they want to look beautiful every day and it's, you know, to me I. I think it's kind of a cool thing, yeah, and you know I dress up or I did anyway there for a while, um, because I worked sorry dr domain.
Speaker 3:You came in too late I know, I worked in an energy plant where I was wearing steel-toed boots, frc clothing, and so I was running the show. And when I go somewhere I like to dress up Because I wasn't able to be that feminine in that environment and that type of clothing. And so when I go somewhere now I like to dress up, I like to curl my hair, I like to wear these different clothes, right, different shoes, and you know, I like the different 433 pairs of boots that you own those 73 pairs of sunglasses I like that yeah, yeah, anyway.
Speaker 3:Um, so you know, these women are wearing these really nice clothing. You know, mean, it would be every day that you would look at and you'd go. That's not everyday clothing.
Speaker 2:But how cool is that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know rather than wearing sweatpants. And if you're wearing sweatpants every day, I really don't care. Yeah, but I just think man think of how good they feel about themselves.
Speaker 2:I kind of wish that To look beautiful. Yeah, I wish I think of how good they feel about themselves. I kind of wish that. Yeah, I wish I could do that. I wish that I did my makeup. I wish I knew how to do makeup first of all, that doesn't look like a halloween gore scene, but I wish that I knew how to do my makeup every day. I wish the murder happened over here look, I can do effects makeup with the best of them. Okay, but when it comes, to.
Speaker 3:There's an outline of the body, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, like I can do like slashes through your face, but I cannot contour worth a shit unless it's black and white because you've done my halloween, yeah and I used to work at a place where I did uh halloween effects makeup for quite a while, but you know, I wish that I had that. So when I see people that every day they do their makeup, they do their hair, I am jealous about that because I'm like I want to be like that, but I know that I'm not like that.
Speaker 3:So Dr Domain's over here just perplexed because he's going. When do you dress up? I'm not seeing you in anything other than T-shirts and some scraggly old.
Speaker 2:He has to live with your 400 pairs of boots. I'm sure he knows that you dress up.
Speaker 1:No, you dress up. Yeah, I like to. I like to and I don't know, you smell nice too when you do it.
Speaker 3:Aw.
Speaker 2:That's so sweet Anyways.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, that is so funny.
Speaker 2:But no, I mean, I'm all for all for it. Man, if you want to wear whatever you want to wear, if you want to go around at 80 years old wearing a football jersey and a pair of booty shorts I don't care if you're a guy or a girl go for it. If that's what make you, makes you happy, go for it, like the littlest things. It's not my business.
Speaker 3:I agree with you and I guess that for me I don't know about you, but for me that's probably all the madness and all of the paranoia and mania and instability that we have for today, bobby. So we appreciate you joining us here at the Rabbit Hole Studio every week. Be sure to follow us. We look forward to spending time with you. Please like us and if you have positive feedback or if there's a topic that you want to talk about, drop us in short email.
Speaker 2:Drop us lots of topics, lots of them.
Speaker 3:Lots of them. Yeah, we do need topics. I mean, we have some but we need more.
Speaker 3:And you know what's funny I'm just going to say it here real quick on this outro is that we have people who kind of approach us and say, oh, we'd really like you to talk about this. So we do get our ideas from our listeners, but you can drop us a short email at boomerandjenexer at gmailcom. If you have hate mail, well, you can show that somewhere else, and you know that we're here every week. So I'm Jane Burt and I'm Bobbi Joy and you're stuck with us. I messed that up. What happened? Oh my.
Speaker 2:God, try it again, Try it again. I'm.
Speaker 3:Jane Burt and I'm Bobbi Joy, and you're stuck with us. Peace out Later.
Speaker 2:Welcome everyone to today's show a boomer and a Gen Xer walking to a bar, coming to you from the Rabbit Hole studio, where you, as our listener, will experience some wit and wisdom, some smart assery and a mother and daughter questioning. Are we even related? My name is Bobbi Joy and my co-host is my lovely mother, jane, and for the next little while we're here to entertain and I think today might, be, interesting.
Speaker 2:Is it going to be interesting? I think so, because you told me what we're going to talk about and I kind of have a feeling that we'll be kind of on the opposite sides of the fence on this one, will we? I think so, huh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, the opposite sides of the fence on this one, will we? I think so, huh, yeah, okay. So, first and foremost, uh, how's your chicken this week?
Speaker 2:he's good what's his name? Oh well, I think that I'm gonna.
Speaker 3:I'm timmy so lyle, timothy and now timmy, okay okay so you've got your therapy chicken down there. Hey, whatever happened to our book about Brenda and her beaver?
Speaker 2:It gained a lot of popularity. It hit the New York Times bestseller list, did it really? I don't know if it did, but she does actually have an entire series of Brenda's beaver and what he does.
Speaker 3:So there's another book that we talked about, which was who Will Eat my Clown?
Speaker 2:That book should be banned in.
Speaker 3:like five countries we read out of both of those books, yeah, and we encouraged people to go get these books. They are kind of character books like cartoon type. They look like kids books but they are not.
Speaker 2:No, they are not. It's kind of like how Sausage Party looked like a kids movie but it was not. They are not. It's kind of like how sausage party looked like a kid's movie but it was not. It was not sausage party. Oh my god people taking their kids to it, thinking it's a kid's movie. I'm like so what gave it away? The mature rating or the fact that the title is sausage party, and they're like, we thought it was a kid's movie.
Speaker 3:It's like wow so there was a a podcast that we did about laws that we talked about here recently, and there was something that you had brought up afterwards that we kind of want to talk about. I mean, I just I thought it was interesting when you brought it up, so bring it up again oh, the one that I forgot.
Speaker 2:That I said should be legal in all the states. Yeah, yeah. So I believe that if two consenting adults would like to duel with no weapons, it should be legal.
Speaker 1:Ow, there should be no assault charges.
Speaker 2:No, baby, wah wow when you lose, calling the cops, so you should be able to stand out in the front yard and have a fist fight. Absolutely no weapons, no weapons, just a fist fight and whoever is left standing, they're the winner yeah, I mean if you, if to, if both people consent. I mean whoever was punched in the mouth, you know oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:So whoever was left standing was the winner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and nobody went home crying to their mom or dad or anything like well, no, because a lot of times, especially in my generation, if you go home and say you lost the fight at school, you got your ass whooped again when you got home.
Speaker 3:So that's not true, but I'm my generation. Yes, I will say, as one of your parents, I did say that you know, if somebody comes after you and they try to take you down, you give them everything you've got.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was always taught don't start it, but you finish it.
Speaker 3:You finish it Absolutely. You betcha, you betcha, and I remember your sister.
Speaker 1:Bless her heart.
Speaker 3:And I'm off topic because this isn't even our topic today- no, it's not your sister got into a fight with somebody at the roller skating rink and I think she was like 14 years old.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was there and this girl was really bullying her badly. I pulled up and I heard somebody because my window was down. Oh my gosh, her mom's here and I remember this girl. When I got up there she beat the crap out of my other daughter. Yeah, and I go. What happened? And she goes? Well, my daughter, she said well, you know, she went to take her coat off and I go that was the time to drop her I mean her arms are back.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know she's taking her coat off to beat the crap out of you and you're standing there.
Speaker 2:And the funny thing was, before you pulled up, little nine and ten-year-old me had taken my skate off and was trying to hit the girl with my roller skate because my sister was getting her ass whooped.
Speaker 3:She was, and I mean it was interesting. It was like holy crap. So you let her take her coat off and she's got her arms behind her. I'd have dropped her to the ground right there. I mean, sorry, folks, Sucker punch. Yeah, I would have let her have it and you know it was all a done deal by the time I walked up to that little girl and she wasn't little, she was 14 years old and I don't give a shit that she was underage because she was a bully.
Speaker 2:But right, because she was, she was a bully, yeah, but anyway, that was back in the day, back in the day back in the day before laws were laws.
Speaker 3:So our topic today I wanted to talk to you about and maybe we will disagree is fashion. And what age are you, or when is it acceptable and when is it not acceptable for men and women to wear certain clothing? So the reason I bring this up is because I am the boomer and I am in my 60s and I still wear a lot of clothes that probably, uh, might be too young for me. What do you think?
Speaker 2:I think that you're delusional in that now maybe some of the cuts and stuff might be a little risque for your age, but the clothes that you wear, I can guarantee you nobody under 50 knows those clothes. What I mean? The style and stuff.
Speaker 3:It's definitely old woman style I wear hip hugger bell bottoms.
Speaker 2:Bless your heart.
Speaker 3:Is that a bad thing? I wear t-shirts. I shop at Marshalls. I don't shop at Marshalls.
Speaker 2:I know you don't because that's too young for you.
Speaker 3:So at what point do you know? Because I see some people and I'll talk about women specifically, because that's kind of what I look at and more women look at other women than they do men. Did you know that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's judgmental.
Speaker 3:It's very judgmental and it's. You know, do they look better than me? Do they look younger than me? Are they wearing clothes that I want to have? So Dr Domain is over here doing some sign language and we're not liking it. Dr Domain, you might want to just I didn't say anything. I know you didn't say anything. There's a reason that women look at other women yeah, and it's because we look to see how they're, we look to compare, we do, we look to compare ourselves to them, but then again.
Speaker 2:I mean like I'm, I'm 100 straight. I don't know what they call that anymore I think, they call it something there's a name for it out of style I guess, um.
Speaker 2:But if there is a woman who looks just fabulous, you know I'm going to look. I'm not going to be like, oh baby, but I'm going to appreciate the female body and go man, I wish I could look like that type of thing. But you know, something that I learned a long time ago, especially when dealing with my own body issues and things like that was there are two train of thoughts that you have. The first, the very first thing that you think of when you see someone, is what you were taught, how you were conditioned. The second thought that comes to your mind is who you are.
Speaker 2:So a lot of people will see these women and go oh my God, she's dressed like a slut. And then the next thought is you go girl, good for you, I'm proud of you for wearing slut. And then the next thought is you go girl, good for you, I'm proud of you for wearing that. Because the first thought is how you're conditioned, what you're raised to believe, whether it be with family, friends, the people you surround yourself with. The second thought is who you actually are okay, I'm not sure I agree with that.
Speaker 3:Um well, you're not a psychologist.
Speaker 2:So no, but I've got more background than you do. What a waste. Oh my gosh what a waste.
Speaker 3:So, anyways, that college degree was wasted on my mom.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think it's a, it's a family thing. We all kind of waste our college degrees.
Speaker 3:But yeah, let's go for it, okay, so clothing but so I just I want to say that I don't agree with that, because I'm not sure that I was ever conditioned as a child. We were so poor, well you guys wore burlap sacks I mean literally.
Speaker 2:We were just happy to have clothes.
Speaker 3:You know from the church that would hand them down to us. Honest to god, that is the truth. So, as an older woman, I do wear, you know, my skirts a little shorter. I don't wear long skirts.
Speaker 2:But you're also a smaller woman, You're not. You don't have a large frame, You're not carrying a bunch of extra body weight type of thing. You, you're a. You're a very slender woman. So it would be more fitting, socially acceptable. Let me rephrase that it would be more socially acceptable for someone your age to wear maybe a slightly shorter skirt than, let's say, someone who was heavier in your age. People would look down on it if it was a shorter skirt.
Speaker 3:Okay, so I get that, but is that then fat shaming type thing?
Speaker 2:Body shaming it is, it's a body shaming thing, but I also think that, looking at someone and seeing what they're wearing and going, you shouldn't be wearing that look, unless it's a thong bikini at a public pool where a bunch of children are. I'm not, you know. Wear what you want. Wear what makes you happy. Yeah, you know, but it is. It's a body shaming thing, it's an age shaming thing, it's a really it all comes down to a jealousy thing well, you made the comment that you know, if you saw a really attractive woman, that you would go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she looks great.
Speaker 2:I would too, absolutely, absolutely not ashamed to look at another woman, because we do compare ourselves we do, women, I do I would like my hair to look like that we do or I would like to have that body shape and I've worked, I've worked really hard to actually change my mindset from having like a jealous mindset over what other women look like to going, wow, she looks great. Right, good for her right. She must have put in a lot of work. You know you can tell, especially people who have recently lost a lot of weight. You know they do have that skin issue and things. I look at them go wow, that must have been really hard for them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like they must be really proud to be able to wear a tank top even though they have this skin, to have lost all that weight and feel comfortable in order to walk out in it and I have a habit not a habit, I will say I feel very comfortable walking up to a perfect stranger and saying, wow, that dress looks great on you, yeah, or that color looks great on you, yeah, or that color is beautiful on you.
Speaker 3:As a matter of fact, I went to the doctor yesterday and a gal was walking out and she had the cutest shoes on an older lady yeah, cutest shoes. And I got past her and I turned around and I said, hey, I just have to tell you those are the cutest shoes. And she stopped, smiled, told me about her shoes. She had had them for whatever and she got them wherever. And I said well, they sure look cute on you. It probably made her day. Yeah, you know, but I am not afraid to tell somebody, man, they're beautiful, right, and we'll be watching Dr Domaine and I will be watching a show and we'll I'll go wow, that woman has a beautiful face.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Or she has beautiful hair.
Speaker 2:But I mean, but a lot of people think, okay, well, you can have that beauty, but you need to, you know, dress age appropriately, and it's not just for women, it's guys too, Right? You see, you know 50-year-old guys out here in DCs and hurly shirts with the backwards baseball cap and the chains, and I know a lot of people have said, oh my God, grow up, why don't you dress for your age? It's like what do you want them to wear? Like Peaky Blinders, 1920s, you know outfits.
Speaker 3:So what do you think about guys who wear button-down shirts?
Speaker 2:and have the first three buttons unbuttoned Drug dealer.
Speaker 3:They're part of the drug cartel.
Speaker 2:If need cocaine. That's where I'm going. That's all I'm saying. You look for the three buttons, undone or the top button done either way, you're guaranteed to score something. I look at them and I think 70s porn star, yes well, they gotta have the stash and the hair and the gold chain.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, definitely yeah definitely, and so, yeah, I do think about that too, and I probably shouldn't, but it does bring back memories, I mean as long as it didn't come out of your mouth.
Speaker 2:Like I said, you know, the worst superhero uh power to have is to read people's thoughts, because the things I think on on an hourly basis that goes through my head could probably get me in guantanamo bay at this point now I have.
Speaker 3:You're gonna go to that alligator, alcatraz?
Speaker 2:I am yes yes, you know, they're selling t-shirts. I might want one. We may need one.
Speaker 3:Um, so I I will be. I will say I'm very guilty about looking at someone and if I know them pretty well, I might, and I've done this to you or to your sister.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:I have looked at people and waved my hand and went what's going on here? What is the deal?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, all the time. What's this, what is this, what is this that we're?
Speaker 3:doing here.
Speaker 1:What are we doing, what are we wearing?
Speaker 3:Because that does not go together.
Speaker 2:And why are you wearing that? Like that, like just the other, just the other podcast that we, we recorded you? You mentioned about the fact that I was wearing shorts yes, I don't wear shorts. Yeah, I really don't. Unless I'm at the beach or something like that, I don't wear shorts. And I was just like, okay, well f you, I just wanted to wear shorts, leave me alone. But it was laundry day yes, and you explained that.
Speaker 3:But at what point do you stop wearing daisy?
Speaker 1:duke your short up your butt, hey I had stretch shorts underneath, no I know you did, but I'm talking temperature drops below 100 there you go.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Of course, that coming, I thought he was gonna say when your skin drops below your knees, where your butt is yeah, it's hot.
Speaker 1:It's been hot, so he was wearing the daisy is weighing in on this yeah, and so because he will be the first one to say why don't you wear something like that?
Speaker 3:or, you know, thong underwear uh, I'm old. First of all floss yeah, and it looks like you know I'm trying to put you know some type of string around the raisin, it's not pretty well.
Speaker 2:That's why I said, especially like in public pools and stuff, the women who wear the thong bikinis and things like that put your butt away, ma'am. Yeah, like I understand we're swimming and things, but there's children at that eye level that have to look at that and our butts hang a lot lower than they used to.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, and even if it doesn't mine used to be up and perky, Not anymore okay.
Speaker 2:It's hanging down to the back of my legs. Even if you're 20 years old and in your prime and you just got the perfect butt, I don't want to see it out at the pool.
Speaker 1:So what about? So there are limits, there are limits.
Speaker 2:That's my. One limit is the whole thong underwear or a thong bikini.
Speaker 1:That's pretty subjective, though, right.
Speaker 2:In a public place with children. I just, I don't.
Speaker 3:Is that age appropriate? I mean if it was a young person, would it make any difference.
Speaker 2:If it was a guy, I would still have the same feeling.
Speaker 1:So what about the folks that board the plane that look like they just left the carnival?
Speaker 2:You know, they got their pajamas on and clown pants and fuzzy slippers Guilty, because if I'm on a plane for six hours, I want to be comfortable.
Speaker 1:What if they're wearing a thong though I'm part of the old clown gang If they're only wearing a thong. If they're wearing a thong, yeah If they're only wearing a thong.
Speaker 2:How did they get past TSA? Well, it was easy come on, there's nothing to search there. No, you're not. You're not putting your bare butt cheeks on places where other people sit. You shouldn't be wearing it to a pool. If you want to go to the lake, like a private lake access, and wear your thong bikini, floss your butt all you want, I don't care, but please keep it out of the public swimming pools what about somebody?
Speaker 3:because you see this on TV a lot now because there's so many reality shows. I don't even watch reality and all you can't flip a channel without seeing some reality show where somebody is either trying to marry somebody or trying to divorce somebody or trying to get their money.
Speaker 2:Sounds like your algorithm knows you, I guess, because mine are all crime documentaries.
Speaker 3:Well, I got those too yeah.
Speaker 2:But anyways yes, because mine are all crime documentaries.
Speaker 3:Well, I got those too, yeah, but anyways. But anyway, the low cleavage stuff, you know, like the really low cut stuff. And I think there's an age for that?
Speaker 1:I gotta be honest. I think there's an age for that. It mirrors our morality, or lack thereof.
Speaker 3:What I think. So, oh yeah, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 2:A lot of these shows, are you know?
Speaker 1:they were really really tight fitting, super revealing, yeah, but it just it kind of matches the mentality level of it.
Speaker 2:But you're telling me that Zeke down the road, who weighs 450 pounds and has boobs bigger than me, can go without a shirt and it's fine.
Speaker 1:But if I wear a low cut cleavage shirt because my boobs sag a little when I'm 60, then that's an issue nope zeke needs to cover up. He needs some tassels he needs to get on a reality show.
Speaker 2:He needs to get yeah but no I don't. I don't think that low cut things. I mean, if your boobs hang to your knees and you want a low cut shirt, god bless your heart, man, go for it.
Speaker 3:I guess I think it's at that point. I think it's tacky.
Speaker 2:I think it's wear what you want to wear. Because no?
Speaker 1:no, that's not what you said. Except for the thongs on there are conditions, so you can't wear whatever you want to wear.
Speaker 2:Just put the asterisk there and it just. It's stuck there, OK so what about men?
Speaker 3:Because I think at some point men need to stop wearing skinny jeans wearing their hats backwards and not wearing socks with their little loafers.
Speaker 2:First of all, anybody who doesn't wear socks with shoes should be taken out and shot. I'm sorry, that is the grossest thing. I don't care if you're wearing boat shoes, dock shoes. Hey dudes, I don't care what they are, your feet smell, bro. Okay, I'm sorry, unless it's slides or flip flops, put some damn socks on.
Speaker 3:I struggle with guys that are older wearing skinny jeans and the short skinny jeans. You know what I mean that they're shorter. What do you mean?
Speaker 2:Like high waters.
Speaker 3:Yeah, not like capri pants.
Speaker 2:Now she tells me she's calling you out bud, because I've seen a lot of this.
Speaker 3:But like short skinny jeans, and then they've got little loafers on with no socks and their shirt is buttoned down and it's like you know, three buttons down, Are you?
Speaker 2:at the Blazing Saddle gay bar again. No, because I'm telling you, you just named like eight people in there right now?
Speaker 1:No, I know.
Speaker 2:No, I get what you're saying, but no, I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with that If you want to wear your hat backwards and you know wear your piercings.
Speaker 3:I think if you're over 25, you don't need to be wearing your hat backwards.
Speaker 2:I think you need to grow up. No, no, that's. I disagree. I disagree. I wear it right If you're over 25, for crying out loud your ship has sailed.
Speaker 3:Your ship has sailed.
Speaker 2:Look, if you give me a tattooed dad bod guy with the beard and he turns his hat around backwards, it's over.
Speaker 3:I'm getting married, a dad bod.
Speaker 2:Okay, no, bad bod. Okay, no, yeah, no, and I want him to wear a tight shirt too. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:To show those man boobs. Show them boobs, baby. I also think that if you're going to wear a muscle shirt or a sleeveless shirt, that you should have muscles, okay, not just fat arms. Welcome to the gun show, yeah. Welcome to the gun show, that's gun show. That's nothing but fat there, big boy, you know, like the bat wings where they flap, and then you can fly over it.
Speaker 3:Or somebody comes up and you know wants to Threaten you and it's like what are you going to do? Chase me, because you're like 350, 400 pounds. I'm sorry, I'm not fat shaming, I could care less that you're fat. Okay, I really truly do. But don't less that you're fat. I really and truly do. But don't act like you're all that. Don't act like you're.
Speaker 2:Mr Universe, you want to wear the tap out shirts and you've never fought a day in your life and you're riding the scooter At the fair because you can't make it to the big barn. Go for it.
Speaker 3:The only clothing that bothers me.
Speaker 2:And I'm serious.
Speaker 3:The only clothing that bothers me and I'm serious. The only clothing that bothers me is when somebody wears military stuff and they've never been in the military. That bothers me a lot.
Speaker 2:I only agree with that if they are trying to put themselves out as being in the military. Like they have the patches, they have the insignia.
Speaker 1:Trying to be an imposter, yeah.
Speaker 2:But if you got somebody wearing camo pants, I mean you can go down and get them. You can go down and get him for that yeah, well, no, I'm not saying that kind of camo. I'm saying you know, one of your grandsons was big into that. You know he used to wear the military pants and the shirt tucked in and the boots, but he never once made it like he was in the military I'm okay with that, bothers me, it bothers me just I'm okay with that, because look at all those pockets, so what's?
Speaker 1:the limit Just camo pants, or is it full on fatigues?
Speaker 3:No, I think that when you start, as Bobby said, when you start conveying yourself as someone who has been in the military, so insignia patches.
Speaker 1:So like the trousers are blouse and you have boots on.
Speaker 3:You have everything and you kind of act like you've been.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Give me a break, well, that's like Becky out here that wears real tree hunting camo and she never been in the forest a day in her life. I'm offended that she's wearing hunting camo.
Speaker 1:You ain't never shot a deer, you've never dressed one.
Speaker 2:You step on a stick and catch a bug and it's over for you maybe I'm offended about that.
Speaker 1:It's different, is it different? She's posing as a.
Speaker 3:She's posing as a deer bunny I don't know a bush bunny we kind of derailed on this whole thing. I was kind of looking at short skirts, low cleavage, you know that sort of thing, hey go for it, I'm all for it.
Speaker 2:Man, if you're 88 years old and you want to pull out the, the skirt that you got your husband in in 19 you know 32 go for it.
Speaker 3:I, I don't disagree. I don't disagree with that, I just feel beautiful. I mean, if that one.
Speaker 2:If that's what makes you feel beautiful and not want to take yourself out of this world every day, if that's what it you feel beautiful and not want to take yourself out of this world every day. If that's what it takes by God, go for it.
Speaker 3:So I've seen these women on YouTube and they're older women, older than me, no way.
Speaker 2:Well, that's impossible. They don't know how to use YouTube.
Speaker 3:Dead silence right there. They're older than me and they are dressing to the nines. I mean they are dressing up every single day.
Speaker 2:They are getting what else do they have to do?
Speaker 3:no, that's not it. They have things to do.
Speaker 2:Come on but I'm saying they're not working.
Speaker 3:If they're not, they got three hours, but their whole thing was they want to look beautiful every day and it's, you know, to me I. I think it's kind of a cool thing, yeah, and I dress up, or I did anyway there for a while, because I worked-.
Speaker 2:Sorry, Dr Domain, you came in too late.
Speaker 3:I know I worked in an energy plant where I was wearing steel-toed boots, frc clothing, and so I was running the show. And when I go somewhere I like to dress up, yeah, because I, you know, I wasn't able to be that feminine in those kinds of in the, in that environment, in that type of clothing, right. And so when I go somewhere now, I like to dress up, I like to curl my hair, I like to wear these different clothes, right, different shoes, and you know, I like the different 433 pairs of boots that you own, the 73 pairs of sunglasses.
Speaker 3:I like that, yeah, yeah, anyway. Um, so you know, these women are wearing these really nice clothing. You know, I mean, it would be every day that you would look at and you'd go. That's not everyday clothing, but how cool is that yeah, you know rather than sweatpants. And if you're wearing sweatpants every day, I really don't care. Yeah, but I just think man think of how good they feel about themselves.
Speaker 2:I kind of wish that. Yeah, I wish I could do that. I wish that I did my makeup. I wish I knew how to do makeup. First of all, that doesn't look like a Halloween gore scene, but I wish that I knew how to do my makeup every day.
Speaker 3:I wish murder happened over here.
Speaker 2:Look, I can do effects makeup with the best of them, okay, but when it comes to like outline of the body right yeah.
Speaker 2:Like I can do like slashes through your face, but I cannot contour worth a shit unless it's black and white, because you've done my halloween. Yeah, and I used to work at a place where I did, uh, halloween effects makeup for quite a while, but you know, I wish that I had that. So when I see people that every day they do their makeup, they do their hair, I am jealous about that because I'm like I want to be like that, but I know that I'm not like that so dr domain's over here just perplexed because he's going when do you dress up?
Speaker 3:I'm not seeing you in anything other than t-shirts and some scraggly old.
Speaker 2:He has to live with your 400 pairs of boots. I'm sure he knows that you dress up.
Speaker 1:No, you dress up, I do, I like to.
Speaker 3:I like to, and I don't know, dress up.
Speaker 1:No, you dress up, yeah, I like to, I like to and and um.
Speaker 3:You smell nice too when you do it oh that's so sweet anyways oh my gosh, that is so funny but no, I mean, I'm all for it.
Speaker 2:man, if you want to wear whatever you want to wear, if you want to go around at 80 years old wearing a football jersey and a pair of booty shorts I don't care if you're a guy or a girl go for it. If that's what makes you happy, go for it. Like the littlest things, it's not my business. I agree with you.
Speaker 3:And I guess that for me I don't know about you, but for me that's probably all the madness and all of the paranoia and mania and instability that we have for today, bobby. So we appreciate you joining us here at the Rabbit Hole Studio every week. Be sure to follow us. We look forward to spending time with you. Please like us and if you have positive feedback or if there's a topic that you want to talk about, drop us in short email.
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