A Boomer and GenXer Walk into a Bar
Wit and wisdom, some smart assery, and a Mother and Daughter questioning “Are we even related?”
A Boomer and GenXer Walk into a Bar
Defending the Entitled: A Mother-Daughter Take on Karen Culture S:1E:47
What exactly makes someone a "Karen" or "Kevin," and are they always in the wrong? Jane and Bobbi tackle this controversial topic with their signature mother-daughter banter and surprising perspectives that might challenge your assumptions.
The duo examines the stereotypical entitled behavior associated with these internet slang terms - from demanding to speak with managers to making outrageous threats over minor inconveniences. But they don't stop at simple condemnation. Instead, they thoughtfully explore situations where people labeled as "Karens" might actually be justified in their complaints.
Through personal anecdotes including confrontations with nosy neighbors and judgmental strangers in grocery store checkout lines, they reveal the uncomfortable reality that entitlement exists across all demographics.
The most compelling insight comes when they connect today's public confrontations with our broader culture of consequence-free online aggression. As they note, many "keyboard warriors" haven't learned that real-world interactions have different rules than social media disputes. This episode balances thoughtful analysis with laugh-out-loud moments, including Bobbi's observation that she's "never seen a baby called Karen" because "they come out full grown."
Whether you've been called a Karen yourself or witnessed entitled behavior in public, this episode offers fresh perspectives on a phenomenon that impacts all of us. Follow, like, and share Boomer and Gen X Are Walking to a Bar wherever you get your podcasts!
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Oh, my goodness, welcome everyone to today's show. A boomer and Gen X are walking to a bar, coming to you from the rabbit hole studio, where you, as our listeners, will experience some wit and wisdom, some smart assery and a mother and a daughter questioning. Are we even related? My name is Jane Burt, my co-host is my daughter, bobby, and for the next several minutes we're going to entertain you how you doing today, bobby.
Speaker 2:After that introduction I'm going to say we're not related, we just pretend to be.
Speaker 1:I like to be upbeat and you'd like to be all growly down there at the other end of the studio. I see that you have your therapy chicken today. What's his name?
Speaker 2:So today his name is Timothy. Okay, timothy, two Toes, even though he has three.
Speaker 1:Okay, because you change his name periodically and I never know who I'm talking to. So that's Timothy this week, I guess. I don't know. You tell me, is it this week or just today? We'll say today.
Speaker 2:We'll say today. I mean, I might get a hair up my ass and change it again.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness, you and your swearing in your mouth.
Speaker 2:We're going to see you and your slurred. I was going to say what did I? Swearing in your mouth. You're gonna say you and your slurred, I was gonna say what I do now.
Speaker 1:So you have a sign on the wall down there because I had to post something for you. What's it say down there, bobby?
Speaker 2:I'm silently correcting your grammar. I am.
Speaker 1:I am because sometimes your grammar goes off beat and also I derail, so you correct me on my tracks and I correct you on your grammar.
Speaker 2:Well, it's like trying to herd a squirrel away from the dog. It's just over here. No, no, no Over here. Sometimes you got to get a broom.
Speaker 1:Okay, which one are we talking about, you or me? Oh see, that's hurtful.
Speaker 2:That right there is hurtful. Well, you shouldn't be a grammar Nazi.
Speaker 1:Okay, nazi okay. The other thing I noticed is um, you've slowly increased the number of liquor bottles down there at the other end of the studio and I'm I'm starting to get a little bit concerned they're not empty uh yeah, I mean they're not empty.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute, one is empty, okay the others are full.
Speaker 1:Okay, so are we going to have to build you like a liquor cabinet down there?
Speaker 2:I think so, just like a little shelf for all my airplane bottles, I'm fine.
Speaker 1:I'm a little bit concerned about you. Well, I'm not 12. Well, there's that, there's that. So today our topic is kind of an interesting one and, uh, I think I brought this one up, maybe you did, you did, I did, you did definitely, and I definitely want to talk about this because I think it's controversial. Um, so we have people out there who are considered or called or referred to as karens and kevins.
Speaker 2:Oh, kind of like you calling me out on my liquor bottles down here when it could be none of your business.
Speaker 1:I think it's a little different than that.
Speaker 2:It costs zero dollars to just look away Zero dollars.
Speaker 1:I think it's just slightly different than that. So the reason I wanted to talk about this is because I think sometimes people get called Karens or Kevins and they get a bad rap, and I think they're justified sometimes.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, let me ask this before we get into this how many babies have you ever seen that are named Karen? I don't think they're ever babies. I think they come out full grown, because I've never seen a baby called karen have you seen a baby called lyle? Or that's a chicken.
Speaker 2:I know you leave him out of this but no, it's just kind of one of those names this week anyway it's kind of one of those names where you're like I've never heard or seen a baby called karen like in my life and they just all of a sudden they're just full-grown adults with the slang that's out there now about Karen.
Speaker 1:I mean, who's going to name their child Karen? I know some Karens and they're not really Karens in that way, they're really nice people. But so the term Karen or the term Kevin are kind of internet slang terms used to describe certain types of behavior, but they've also kind of become a source of controversy because karen, according to the internet um, the internet, the internet typically refers to a woman, often white, which blows my mind, because I have seen some really bad Karens that are not white.
Speaker 2:And does it? Does it reference the haircut? Tell me it references the Karen haircut. What's the Karen haircut? So it's like with the long bangs that you can put behind your ear, but the back is like short.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness, I was going to get my haircut like that.
Speaker 2:I had my haircut like that before it became a Karen haircut. Oh my gosh when I lived in Texas.
Speaker 1:I had that haircut, yeah, now that you say that, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's. It's literally the Karen haircut is what they call it. It's hilarious, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:So they're perceived as being pretty much entitled, very demanding, especially in public or in customer service situations.
Speaker 2:Oh yes.
Speaker 1:Kevin's, of course, is a more recent term and that's used to describe a man who exhibits a similar, you know, type of foolish behavior. I will call it, but I'm only going to refer to it as foolish behavior this one time, because there are times when I've seen a lot of reels, a lot of videotapes, a lot of youtubes videotapes that aged me, didn't it? Wow, I'll give you a minute to let your mind get blown my mind's running like a vCR rewinder.
Speaker 2:Come on now, jeez Videotapes. Hey, listen, the kids out there are going. What the hell are those? Are those like eight track tapes?
Speaker 3:What are those?
Speaker 2:Did they put them in the Impalas they drove Anyway.
Speaker 1:So it describes people who allegedly have some foolish behavior. But, like I was saying, a lot of the Reels and a lot of the YouTubes and TikToks that I've seen, I've got to be honest with you, I'm on the Karens and the Kevins side.
Speaker 2:Womp, womp. How surprising is that you can be a Karen. Sometimes, though Me.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:I said surprised you can be a Karen sometimes, though Me, yes, you can.
Speaker 1:I said some times this coming from a pot down there that's calling this kettle black. No.
Speaker 2:I'm not a Karen, I'm just a loudmouth asshole. That's a totally different qualification. Like you have to actually go and earn that qualification.
Speaker 1:So kind of the definition. I kind of already gave you that. So kind of the definition, I kind of already gave you that. But typically in these situations the women and I'm going to focus on Karen's here for just a minute are middle-aged or older right. Mostly boomers, and yeah, yeah and like I said, they seem to perceive that they are entitled. They seem to perceive that they are entitled, um so. So, um, dr domain just said you showed me a note and I'm not going to talk about that. Oh, but you're gonna you just did.
Speaker 1:No, I didn't. No, I didn't, we're not.
Speaker 2:He just showed it to you it is yeah, but I mean, like karen's are along the line of felicia's too, like by felicia, so I don't know if you know that term but it was like made popular in the movie friday, and the gal's name was felicia, and they're like by felicia because she just over there causing problems. Okay, so that that's been a big one too okay, so.
Speaker 1:So when do you become a Karen or Kevin?
Speaker 2:When you're about 50.
Speaker 1:Well, you're just not automatically a Karen or Kevin.
Speaker 2:No, not automatically. It takes work.
Speaker 1:And dedication. It takes a commitment to being a Karen. Not everyone can do it.
Speaker 2:Not everyone can achieve the level that we are looking for. Not everyone can do it.
Speaker 1:Not everyone can achieve the level that we are looking for, so to be. When you're criticized as being kind of misogynistic or I don't know, your behaviors are really kind of way out there. Some of the behaviors that are mentioned that I looked up have to do with, first of all, getting into somebody else's business and secondly, it typically results in I'm gonna call the police.
Speaker 2:I've already called the police and they're on their way here. Well, I'm sure it's the 47th time this week that you've called and they don't give a shit anymore.
Speaker 1:So you called me. You said sometimes you can be a Karen. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2:That was hurtful. That hurt my feelings. Both of them Got to rub them together and get them warm again. That's right.
Speaker 1:Sometimes demanding to speak to a manager can be perceived as being a Karen or a Kevin, and I don't agree with that, because I'm not going to accept poor customer service or some sass mouth on the other side of a counter. And that's true.
Speaker 2:And I know a lot of people call people out for being Karens because of that, but a lot of times it's because they have been given the opportunity to quell the situation. They've been given a refund or an offer for, you know, whatever they want, and they still want to talk to the manager because that's not good enough. They want 10 free meals and free ice cream for life, or, you know, they're just not willing to accept the fact that someone so quote, unquote, low level as a cashier could make things right with them. They, they're just not willing to accept the fact that someone so quote, unquote, low level as a cashier could make things right with them. They think they're above that, you know. And they'll even say, in a lot of the reels I've seen, they'll say you know I'm not talking to you. You know I want to talk to your manager. I'm not going to talk to you because you're just a cashier type of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and so they're already demeaning that worker very much so, and you know they're. I've heard some of them say you're gonna regret this. The only thing they're regretting is that they took a job for 15 an hour and they don't have a spork in their hand that they could jump over that counter and stab you in your neck with it because you're being such an ass hat. Well, and a lot of these servers and a lot of times these cashiers, these cashiers and stuff.
Speaker 2:They're kids. Yeah, they're teenagers. They're under the age of 18. This is their first job. Maybe they're in high school, they're working with their friends, you know. Maybe they're having a little fun on the job, but nothing to the point that would elicit a reaction that some of these people are having towards them. And, first of all, I mean let's be their children. Okay, if someone were to come in, cuss out my 16 year old child, throw things at them like drinks or food and, you know, talk to them like that, I would have a problem with that. I would probably be up there before anybody else, because you don't do that to a child.
Speaker 1:Do you think that if and I've seen that too where somebody gets so mad that they like clear the counter, they take their arm and wipe the whole counter down or jump the counter, or jump the counter?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Or they start throwing things at the workers, or they start throwing things at the workers. Do you think that's considered assault and that they would consider that as being? Hey, you get the right to defend yourself. So I do, I absolutely do, I wonder what legally, though, if it's really allowed to say Well, and the problem is is legally and employment wise is different.
Speaker 1:So legally you could be justified in defending yourself from someone coming over the counter and charging you, just so everybody knows we're not lawyers. We don't really know we're not lawyers, but self-defense, hey, self-defense, okay.
Speaker 2:But, job wise, if you defend yourself and this is on a lot of company policies and I've worked at a lot of places, so I know this especially low-level jobs you are not allowed to defend yourself or you will lose your job. Yeah, so if you're getting literally beat up behind the can, the counter and you defend yourself, you know you're going to lose your job why would you ever want to work for a company like that?
Speaker 2:well, let's talk about uh poverty. Oasis is, if you want, on another uh podcast episode, poverty away. So what it is? It's? It's kind of an oxymoron, but it's an area that has high poverty but also has a bunch of the low-level jobs, like mcdonald's burger king, you know, entry level jobs that don't pay a lot, but they're the only jobs within a 30-minute drive and if you're in poverty you don't always have that transportation. You're going to take that job at mcdonald's in order to support your family the best you can yeah, but we can talk about that later but.
Speaker 1:But I'm just saying, though, that even if I work at mcdonald's and I, I guess I don't consider those low level jobs anymore, because they're paying mcdonald's workers pretty well well, but it seems like it's pretty well. But when you really look at it you them.
Speaker 1:I make more than that and I still struggle, so I get it, but people do view those yes, you know and and they are a lot of those jobs are considered entry level and they were never intended to be careers. They were intended to be stepping stones for people to get where they needed to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I mean a lot of different circumstances bring people back to those jobs. You know there's just a slew of circumstances. Back to those jobs. You know there's just a slew of circumstances.
Speaker 2:I have bounced back and forth between entry-level jobs and low-paying jobs just because there wasn't the higher paying jobs out there so I had to wait and, in order to pay my bills while I waited, I went and took a bartending job or a gas station job okay, so back to the fact that I really don't believe that some people should be called Karens. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:I think that the situation sometimes justifies their actions.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that they need to get violent with anyone and really raising your voice and yelling at somebody, or throwing food or whatever it is, or clearing the counter. You know what? If you don't like it there, don't come back. Right, I mean you've got, you know you've got choices, you don't have to come back there. But there are times when I've seen people confront other people and just because they responded, somebody called them a Karen or a Kevin and I thought wait a minute you deserved what they had to say absolutely, and I mean it's it's kind of a double-edged sword, because how are you not adult enough to walk away?
Speaker 2:yeah, words are words. You know you can walk away. There are steps that you can take in order to not have to deal with this directly. That's number one. Okay, just walk away. Be an adult, don Okay. Number two is the fact that I think that with nowadays, with social media, things like that, a lot of people have not been punched in the face and they walk around thinking that nobody's going to punch him in the face. They might say a few harsh words or whatever, but you back and forth, a lot of people just think that because they're you know, barney badass on the internet, they can say what they want, that somebody's not going to shut them up in real life, right?
Speaker 1:and that's a big problem. Right, it is a big problem and that's a whole different podcast right there, how people are hiding behind, you know, a microphone, like keyboard warriors, keyboard warriors, or they are hiding behind a Tik TOK or you know something and not thinking that anybody's going to come after them, and they go after a lot of people and they're very hurtful and they're very damaging to other people.
Speaker 2:But at the same time that's the other edge walk away, be the bigger person. You know you don't always have to have the last word. You know somebody calls you a name or says you know, go F yourself, whatever, I don't care if you're in a business or not.
Speaker 1:You have the option of walking away walking out of that store and doing what you need to do once you leave and calm down. Okay, so I'm going to ask you have you ever been confronted by what you would consider a Karen or Kevin?
Speaker 2:Well. I have four Besides saying, yeah, my mom, I mean I have four children very close in age. Well, the three older ones are and yeah, I've dealt with plenty of Karens being a single mom, having all those kids at the same time.
Speaker 1:And so were they getting in your business, were you in their business.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, very much in my business. They were in your business, you in their business. Oh, no, very much in my business. They were in very much in my business.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, and so the only I mean I really haven't had a whole lot, you know, other than somebody will make some snide remark, uh, or something, but I've never had somebody come over and really get in my face over anything that I can remember. What about you, dr Domain? Have you ever had the opportunity to deal with?
Speaker 3:oh wait, I take that back at the property in in Georgia that I bought oh yeah, my goodness.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to come back to you, dr Domain. So I bought this property in the Georgia mountains and, um, the property hadn't been cleared, it had three old houses on it and a big barn and I elected to go in and have all of those buildings torn down and have the property cleaned up. I mean it really needed to be cleaned up and to have some forestry um thinning done, right, so that it you know you want to control forest fires, you do forestry thinning. And anyway, the neighbor next door called and just raised a ruckus. And when she called me I had already had a crew on site and she called me and she said I want you to cease and desist right now. You have no business doing what you're doing and I need to see a survey and you need to have a survey performed before you ever do any of this work.
Speaker 2:And she was yelling I mean she was really yelling at me like she just assumed you didn't have a survey and didn't take the proper steps and so, and I had a crew there at that time and I mean she kept yelling and finally I go who is this? New phone. Who dis?
Speaker 1:and she goes this is so and so. And I go who are you with right? And she goes I'm the next door neighbor and you need to cease and desist. And we want to know what zoning laws you're going to change so that you can build the buildings on that property. And I go who you been talking to? You know, I mean I didn't have a clue.
Speaker 2:She's been using Google AI for it.
Speaker 1:She was ordering my crew around and everything. And I said I have a surveyor on site right now. You should be able to see him. He's marking everything right now. And she just kind of kept yelling at me and and, uh, she said I want you to cease and desist and you need to provide us plans, and you need to provide me with, um, me and the other neighbors with this, a copy of the survey. And and I go not going to do that, and I was really calm. I mean, I had my Jesus shirt on that day.
Speaker 2:I can't. And if that would have happened as soon as she said well, I'm the neighbor, I'd have been like oh okay, Click, yeah, Like that would have ended the conversation.
Speaker 1:So I listened to her and finally, you know, and I kept saying, well, I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm not, I'm not going to share that. She used Google lawyer.
Speaker 1:So I end up going over to the property and I called her and I said hey, this is Jane. I just talked to you a few minutes ago. Could we talk? I'll meet you in the street. She wouldn't even let me on her property and she came out yelling and everything and I go who have you been talking to? That you think I'm gonna put up you know, eight complexes on this property. Right by the time I got done with her, she was apologizing and she was very, you know, happy that I was clearing the property and or at least I think she was and I haven't heard from her since. But that was the only time and I was shocked. I mean, I was just shocked. I thought who are you and what?
Speaker 2:do you think?
Speaker 1:you're doing, telling me what I can do it with my property. Anyway, I want to go back to you, dr Domain. Um, have you ever been approached or had a situation where you've had to deal with a Karen or a Kevin that you can think of?
Speaker 3:Well, most recently around the sale of the last property, but she didn't confront me like in person.
Speaker 1:That all took place through messages and stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh, keyboard warrior yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty trivial and I didn't want to waste my energy talking about her, but she just made accusations and without having a conversation with you that's the hardest part yeah these people don't have the backbone to want to talk to you about it, so they just rapid fire a bunch of insults, thinking that's going to resolve it, and all it did really just turn.
Speaker 1:You know, I just shut her off yeah and I probably pissed her off more have you ever had anybody either one of you had somebody come out and say you can't park there, or oh yeah, you know you can't do this, or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, with parking, with, especially with, um, of course, having children being in a lower tax bracket, with food stamps. I've had many, uh confrontations in the checkout line of the grocery store.
Speaker 2:Really very much so really yes, because people think that, um, there aren't processes in place about you know who qualifies, what I can do and things like that, and want to come up and say, well, that's an awful lot of hamburger you're buying on your food stamps, or why are you buying chips on food stamps? Or why are you buying this cereal on food stamps? It's like, mind your business yeah because this is about to turn really ugly really quickly yeah, so the uh.
Speaker 1:You know the use of the term karen um as a derogatory term what's it date back to 2002 you know, I don't have that, do you have?
Speaker 2:that I don't. I'm guessing. We should have looked that up we should?
Speaker 1:I didn't even look at the computer at the end of the table should have looked that up but it has been widely criticized as a form of, you know, misogyny, as it unfairly targets women and really can sometimes discourage them from speaking out or expressing themselves. I don't really care that somebody expresses themselves, but you don't need to get in my face, you don't need to spit at me to do it, and you know, while those terms might initially seem like they're humorous in a way, when you describe certain behaviors, their use has sparked some controversy due to the concerns about, you know, stereotyping and well, and I know there for a while they were calling it a slur.
Speaker 2:Yeah, calling people a slang yeah, no, no, it was called a slur against people and I know there for a while they were calling it a slur, yeah, calling people, yeah, no, no, it was called a slur against people and I'm like do you know what the definition of that is like? Do we need to break out a dictionary at this point? Because it's it's not. But okay, yeah, let's run with it.
Speaker 3:I think you have to have a term. I I mean it's just too long of a phrase to say Just a really inconsiderate asshole. You've got to kind of shorten it up, well, I mean there's a lot of other terms.
Speaker 2:There's twat waffle.
Speaker 1:There's ass hat, I use ass hat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dick bag is a good one.
Speaker 3:Douche head yeah, there's all kinds of good ones. Douche canoe, that's my favorite, that's right.
Speaker 2:Absolutely douche canoe. That's my favorite. Absolutely telling somebody that they look. They look like they eat a banana for the shape and not the taste. That's a good one. It's a little long but it's worth it.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, we're telling people that you think they eat snickers upside down because of the veins? Uh, there's a lot of things you can say to people that are not caring. Or if you look at someone and say I would be mad every day if I looked like you as well, that kind of hits them, takes them a minute to process and by that time you're already gone okay, so we've talked about whether we've actually had any encounters with a karen or a kevin.
Speaker 1:Would you get involved with somebody who's kind of going off like let's say that you are in a mcdonald's and I haven't been in mcdonald's for years. I don't even know what they serve anymore, but yeah okay, mcdonald's, I'm there, let's say that you're at a mcdonald's, okay, and somebody is just going off on this server, and let's say that the server is really nice I mean it's they're trying to hold their own professionally and somebody starts showing food, adam starts cussing at them.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm stepping in, there is not a doubt.
Speaker 1:What are you going to do?
Speaker 2:I'm going to match their energy, oh my goodness. Oh, it's going to be Royal Rumble in there, but the thing is is I'm going to take their focus off of that person who is literally struggling for their life behind the counter, and I'm going to put it on me because it's not going to be the first fight that I've had in mcdonald's and it probably won't be the last but if I see, somebody throwing fries and stuff about you know, at a counter person.
Speaker 2:If I've seen the whole thing and it is completely unjustified how they're acting, I'm going to turn their focus on me because I mean, like I said before, we, you go low, I go lower I mean it's a rebel rouser. I'm not a rebel rouser, but I'm an asshole, and if I can use it for good, I'm gonna put a cape on and do it, if I can use it for good instead of evil.
Speaker 1:That'll be an opportunity for me.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know I gotta get the good ticks along. You know it cancels out all the bad ones, all the bad stuff that you've done. I'm gonna do this one nice thing for this person I know one thing that really does diffuse them is if you someone starts recording them. I know that is a big diffuser for people who get just completely over the top their own things screaming at people. You start recording them all of a sudden. Why are you recording me? Oh, oh, you calm down really quickly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah, well, I, I don't know that I would automatically get involved, but we talked about this a little bit before on thievery, you know, when we talked about if you saw somebody stealing something would you get involved, and I tend to try to reason with people, yeah, and so you know, and and trust me folks, this was not my life a long time ago no, I've talked about this before my temper.
Speaker 2:You know, I went from zero to a thousand in 3.2 seconds, but I idle at 900 well, and you wonder why I go from zero to prison time in six seconds or less, like come on now.
Speaker 1:Look who raised me, look who was around, my role model but, with that said, that's changed over many, many years and your bones are brittle now and my bones are brittle and I really don't want to hurt, get hurt.
Speaker 1:Somebody hits me, I go ow, you know in the past would be somebody hit me hard and I'd be going okay, mother, you know you're going down, but, um, you know if, if I did get involved, I usually try to reason with people, I usually don't try to yell anymore and I said that too, you know, when we were talking about it before.
Speaker 2:Once people are up to that level where they are throwing things and trying to attack a teenager behind a counter over a hamburger even if it's not a teenager, right I?
Speaker 2:mean they're kind of past reasoning at that point and you really have to kind of snap them around and then maybe reason with them once you know you can get their attention. But my biggest thing is I've been in those positions. I've been in those situations as a worker and it gets very dangerous very quickly for that worker and so in order to pull that person back I mean there have been people shot over a burger king hamburger- oh yeah, like it's ridiculous, absolutely.
Speaker 1:And you know you have people who get that excited, you know, when they go into a fast food restaurant and they want to feed a family of five for 22 and 36 cents and they want to feed a family of five for $22.36 and they expect everything to be at the top level.
Speaker 2:Like you're in a five-star restaurant, you might want to rethink when the workers are making how much it costs for one hamburger an hour like, come on now yeah, so, um, anyway, that's really all I wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1:I there are times when I do defend, you know, I do defend the fact that you have a right to not accept poor customer service. You have a right not to accept some smart ass, you know, waiter or waitress. I think you also got the right to walk away.
Speaker 1:You do, but on the other hand, you know when I'm paying for that and I've had to pay for it. The fact is is you know my money's good and I get it and I'm paying for your service? Yeah, and I've said this before, if I go to a restaurant, my service is more important than the quality of the food.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1:And so you give me really crappy service and I'm paying a big price for that. Come on, I want you to be nice. So you give me really crappy service and I'm paying a big price for that.
Speaker 2:Come on, I want you to be nice, but, like I said before, I mean there's steps to take that don't involve direct confrontation as well.
Speaker 1:True that.
Speaker 2:Be smart about it, because not everybody you meet is just packing fists and people need to remember that.
Speaker 1:Right, right, I agree with you and I don't know why everybody has to be so angry all the time. Anyway, it's like you know, it's a burger.
Speaker 3:Or it's an order of fries.
Speaker 1:It's a Coke.
Speaker 2:It's, you know nobody, just With the state of the world anymore. It doesn't even surprise me, it's a bag of M&M's? Yeah, I just nothing ever shocks me anymore, and that's pretty sad.
Speaker 2:Aww, well, that pretty sad, oh well, that makes me sad to cry about it. Well, that's all I had for today on karen and kevin's. Well, I think that that is all the karen absurdity that we have for today, but we do appreciate you joining us here at the rabbit hole studio. We do look forward to spending time with you each and every week. So listen, if you can like us, follow us, share us with your friends, share us with your enemies. Hey, even my ex is out there. Hey, guys that are still listening to me for some ungodly reason, and they think you're talking about them.
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Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness, welcome everyone to today's show of Boomer and Gen X. Are walking to a bar, coming to you from the rabbit hole studio, where you, as our listeners, will experience some wit and wisdom, some smart assery and a mother and a daughter questioning. Are we even related? My name is Jane Burt, my co-host is my daughter, bobby, and for the next several minutes we're going to entertain you how you doing today, bobby after that introduction I'm gonna say we're not related, we just pretend to be.
Speaker 1:I like to be upbeat and you like to be all growly down there at the other end of the studio. I see that you have your therapy chicken today. What's his name?
Speaker 2:So today his name is Timothy Okay.
Speaker 1:Timothy, two Toes Even though he has three. Okay, because you change his name periodically and I never know who I'm talking to. So that's Timothy this week, I guess. I don't know. You tell me me, is it this week or just today?
Speaker 2:um we'll say today we'll say today. I mean I might get a hair up my ass and change it again.
Speaker 1:So oh, my goodness, you and your, you're swearing in your mouth, you're gonna say you and your slurred I was gonna say. What did I do now? So you have a sign on the wall down there because I had to post something for you. What's it say down there? Bobby, I'm silently correcting your grammar. I am. I am Because sometimes your grammar goes off beat and also I derail.
Speaker 2:So you correct me on my tracks and I correct you on your grammar, you know, trying to herd a squirrel away from the dog. It's just over here, no, no, no, over here. Sometimes you've got to get a broom.
Speaker 1:Okay, which one are we talking about, you or me? Oh see, that's hurtful.
Speaker 2:That right there is hurtful. Well, you shouldn't be a grammar Nazi.
Speaker 1:Okay. The other thing I noticed is you've slowly increased the number of liquor bottles down there at the other end of the studio and I'm I'm starting to get a little bit concerned they're not empty yet.
Speaker 2:I mean they're not empty. Wait a minute. One is empty, okay, the others are full.
Speaker 1:Okay, so are we gonna have to build you like a liquor cabinet down?
Speaker 2:there, I think so, just like a little shelf for all my airplane bottles, I'm fine.
Speaker 1:I'm a little bit concerned about you. Well, I'm not 12. So well, there's that, there's that. So today our topic is kind of an interesting one, and I think I brought this one up. You did, you did, I did, you did definitely and I definitely want to talk about this because I think it's controversial um so we have people out there who are considered or called or referred to as karen's and kevin's.
Speaker 2:Oh, kind of like you calling me out on my liquor bottles down here when it could be none, yeah, none, your business I think it's a little different than that. It costs zero dollars to just look away zero dollars I think it's just slightly different than that.
Speaker 1:so the reason I wanted to talk about this is because I think sometimes people get called karens or Kevins and they get a bad rap and I think they're justified sometimes.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, let me ask this before we get into this how many babies have you ever seen that are named Karen? I don't think they're ever babies. I think they come out full grown, because I've never seen a baby called Karen.
Speaker 1:Have you seen a baby called Lyle or?
Speaker 2:That's a chicken. I know you leave him out of this.
Speaker 1:But no, it's just kind of one of those names.
Speaker 2:It's Timothy this week anyway, it's kind of one of those names where you're like I've never heard or seen a baby called Karen like in my life and they just all of a sudden they're just full grown adults With the slang that's out there now about Karen.
Speaker 1:I mean, who's going to name their child Karen? I know some Karens and they're not really Karens in that way, they're really nice people. So the term Karen or the term Kevin are kind of Internet slang terms used to describe certain types of behavior, but they've also kind of become a source of controversy because Karen according to the internet, the internets, the internet typically refers to a woman, often white, which blows my mind because I have seen some really bad Karens that are not white.
Speaker 2:And does it reference the haircut? Tell me it references the Karen haircut. What's a Karen haircut? So it's like with the long bangs that you can put behind your ear, but the back is like short.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness, I was going to get my hair cut like that.
Speaker 2:I had my hair cut like that before it became a Karen haircut, oh my gosh, when I lived in Texas, I had my haircut like that before it became a karen haircut. Oh my gosh, when I lived in texas, I had that haircut yeah, now that you say that, oh my goodness, yeah, it's, it's literally the karen haircut is what they call it. It's hilarious, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:So they're perceived as being pretty much entitled, yes, very demanding, especially in public or in customer service situations.
Speaker 2:Oh yes.
Speaker 1:Kevin's, of course, is a more recent term and that's used to describe a man who exhibits a similar type of foolish behavior. I will call it, but I'm only going to refer to it as foolish behavior this one time, because there are times when I've seen a lot of reels, a lot of videotapes, a lot of YouTube's videotapes that aged me, didn't it? Wow, I'll give you a minute to let your mind get blown.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my mind's running like a VCR winder. Come on now.
Speaker 1:Jeez.
Speaker 2:Videotapes hey listen. The kids out there are going. What the hell are those? Are those like eight track tapes is that did they put them in the impalas?
Speaker 1:they drove anyway you know, it describes people who allegedly have allegedly foolish behavior yes and but, like I was saying, a lot of the reels and a lot of the youtubes and tiktoks I've seen. I got to be honest with you.
Speaker 2:I'm on the Karen's and the Kevin's side, womp, womp. How surprising is that? How surprising. You can be a Karen sometimes, though Me. Yes, you can.
Speaker 1:I said some times and this coming from a pot down there that's calling this kettle black. No.
Speaker 2:I'm not a Karen, I'm just a loudmouth asshole.
Speaker 1:That's this kettlebell. I'm not a karen, I'm just a loud mouth asshole. That's a totally different qualification. Like you have to actually go and earn that qualification. So kind of the definition I kind of kind of already gave you that. But typically in these situations the women and I'm going to focus on karen's here for just a minute are middle-aged or older right, mostly boomers, and yeah, yeah and like I said, they seem to perceive that they are entitled.
Speaker 1:So Dr Domain just said you showed me a note and I'm not going to talk about that. Oh, but you just did. No, I didn't. No, I didn't.
Speaker 2:We're not, he just showed it to you. It is, yeah, but I mean, like karen's are along the line of felicia's too, like by felicia, so I don't know if you know that term but it was like made popular in the movie friday and the gal's name was felicia, and they're like buy Felicia because she just over there causing problems. Okay, so that's been a big one too.
Speaker 1:Okay, so when do you become a Karen or Kevin?
Speaker 2:When you're about 50.
Speaker 1:Well, you're just not automatically a Karen or Kevin.
Speaker 2:No, not automatically. It takes work.
Speaker 1:And dedication. It takes a commitment to being a Karen. Not everyone can do it. Not everyone can achieve the level qualified we are looking for? Yes when you're criticized as being kind of misogynistic or I don't know, your behaviors are are really kind of way out there. Some of the behaviors that are mentioned that I looked up have to do with, first of all, getting into somebody else's business and, secondly, it typically results in I'm going to call the police.
Speaker 2:I've already called the police and they're on their way here. Well, I'm sure it's the 47th time this week that you've called and they don't give a shit anymore.
Speaker 1:So you called me. You said sometimes you can be a Karen. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2:That was hurtful. That hurt my feelings, both of them, you know. Got to rub them together and get them warm again.
Speaker 1:That's right. Sometimes demanding to speak to a manager can be perceived as being a Karen or a Kevin can be perceived as being a Karen or a Kevin, and I don't agree with that because I'm not going to accept poor customer service or some sass mouth on the other side of a counter.
Speaker 2:And that's true and I know a lot of people call people out for being Karens because of that, but a lot of times it's because they have been given the opportunity to quell the situation. They've been given a refund or an offer for, you know, whatever they want, and they still want to talk to the manager because that's not good enough. They want 10 free meals and free ice cream for life, or, you know, they're just not willing to accept the fact that someone so quote, unquote, low level as a cashier could make things right with them. They think they're above that, you know, and they'll even say in a lot of the reels I've seen they'll say you know, I'm not talking to you. You know I want to talk to your manager. I'm not going to talk to you because you're just a cashier type of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so they're already demeaning that worker Very much. So. I've heard some of them say you're going to regret this. The only thing they're regretting is that they took a job for $15 an hour and they don't have a spork in their hand that they could jump over that counter and stab you in the neck with it because you're being such an asshat. Well, and a lot of times, these cashiers and stuff.
Speaker 2:They're kids. Yeah, they're teenagers. They're under the age of 18. This is their first job. Maybe they're in high school, they're working with their friends, you know. Maybe they're having a little fun on the job, but nothing to the point that would elicit a reaction that some of these people are having towards them and, first of all, they're Okay. If someone were to come in, cuss out my 16 year old child, throw things at them like drinks or food and, you know, talk to them like that, I would have a problem with that. I would probably be up there before anybody else, because you don't do that to a child.
Speaker 1:Do you think that that if and I've seen that too where somebody gets so mad that they like clear the counter, they take their arm and wipe the whole counter or jump the counter or they start throwing things at the workers, do you think that's considered assault and that they would consider that as being, hey, you get the right to defend yourself so I do, I absolutely do, I wonder, I wonder what legally, though, if it's really allowed to say hey well, and the problem is is legally and employment wise is different.
Speaker 1:So legally you could be justified in defending yourself from someone coming over the counter and charging you, just so everybody knows we're not lawyers.
Speaker 2:We don't really know we're not lawyers, but self-defense, self-defense, okay but, job wise, if you defend yourself and this is on a lot of company policies and I've worked at a lot of places, so I know this especially low-level jobs you are not allowed to defend yourself or you will lose your job. Yeah, so if you're getting literally beat up behind the can, the counter, you know you're going to lose your job why would you ever want to work for a company like that?
Speaker 2:well, let's talk about uh poverty. Oasis is, if you want, on another uh podcast episode poverty away. So what it is is it's kind of an oxymoron, but it's an area that has high poverty but also has a bunch of the low level jobs like McDonald's, Burger King, you know, entry level jobs that don't pay a lot, but they're the only jobs within a 30 minute drive and if you're in poverty you don't always have that transportation. You're going to take that job at mcdonald's in order to support your family the best you can yeah, but we can talk about that later but.
Speaker 1:But I'm just saying, though, that even if I work at mcdonald's and I, I guess I don't consider those low level jobs anymore, because they're paying mcdonald's workers pretty well well, but it seems like it's pretty well.
Speaker 2:But when you really look at it. I make more than that and I still struggle, so I get it.
Speaker 1:But people do view those yes. You know and and they are a lot of. Those jobs are considered entry level and they were never intended to be careers. They were intended to be stepping stones for people to get where they needed to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I mean a lot of different circumstances bring people back to those jobs. You know there's just a slew of circumstances. I have bounced back and forth between entry-level jobs and low-paying jobs just because there wasn't the higher paying jobs out there. So, I had to wait and in order to pay my bills while I waited, I went and took a bartending job or a gas station job.
Speaker 1:Okay, so back to the fact that I really don't believe that some people should be called Karens.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I agree.
Speaker 1:I think that the situation sometimes justifies their actions.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that they need to get violent with anyone and really raising your voice and yelling at somebody or throwing food or whatever it is, or clearing the counter. You know what? If you don't like it there, don't come back. Right, I mean you've got, you know you've got choices, you don't have to come back there. But there are times when I've seen people confront other people and just because they responded, somebody called them a Karen or a Kevin and I thought wait a minute you deserved what they had to say Absolutely, and I mean it's.
Speaker 2:it's kind of a double-edged sword, because how are you not adult enough to walk away?
Speaker 1:Words are words you know you can walk away.
Speaker 2:There are steps that you can walk away. There are steps that you can take in order to not have to deal with this directly. That's number one. Okay, just walk away. Be an adult, don't start, okay. Number two is the fact that I think that nowadays, with social media, things like that, a lot of people have not been punched in the face and they walk around thinking that nobody's going to punch him in the face. They might say a few harsh words or whatever, but you know, back and forth, a lot of people just think that because they're you know, barney badass on the internet, they can say what they want, that somebody's not going to shut them up in real life, right?
Speaker 1:and that's a big problem. Right, it is a big problem and that's a whole different podcast right there how people are hiding behind, you know, a microphone, like keyboard warriors, keyboard warriors or they are hiding behind a tick tock or you know something and not thinking that anybody's going to come after them, and they go after a lot of people and they're very hurtful and they're very damaging to other people.
Speaker 2:But at the same time that's the other edge Walk away, be the bigger person. You know you don't always have to have the last word. You know somebody calls you a name or says you know, go F yourself, whatever, I don't care if you're in a business or not. You have the option of walking away, walking out of that store and doing what you need to do once you leave and calm down.
Speaker 1:Okay. So I'm going to ask you have you ever been confronted by what you would consider a Karen or Kevin?
Speaker 2:Well, I have uh besides saying yeah, my mom, I mean I have four children very close in age. Well, the three older ones are and uh, yeah, yeah, I've had, I've dealt with plenty of Karens being a single mom, having all those kids at the same time.
Speaker 1:And so were they getting in your business, were you in their business.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, very much in my business. They were in your business, very much in my business, yes, okay, so the only.
Speaker 1:I mean I really haven't had a whole lot, you know, other than somebody will make some snide remark or something, but I've never had somebody come over and really get in my face over anything that I can remember. What about you, dr domain? Have you ever had the opportunity to deal with? Oh wait, I take that back at the property in in georgia oh yeah, I bought oh yeah, my goodness.
Speaker 1:So I'm gonna come back to you, dr Domain. So I bought this property in the Georgia mountains. The property hadn't been cleared. It had three old houses on it and a big barn and I elected to go in and have all of those buildings torn down and have the property cleaned up. I mean, it really needed to be cleaned up and to have some forestry thinning done, right.
Speaker 1:So that it you know you want to control forest fires, you some forestry thinning done, right so that it. You know you want to control forest fires, you do forestry thinning. And anyway, um, the neighbor next door called and just raised a ruckus and when she called me I had already had a crew on site. And she called me and she said I want you to cease and desist. Right now you have no business doing what you're doing and I need to see a survey and you need to have a survey performed before you ever do any of this work.
Speaker 2:And she was yelling I mean, she was really yelling at me Like she just assumed you didn't have a survey and didn't take the proper steps, and so, and I had a crew there at that time and I mean she kept yelling and finally I go who is this? New phone. Who dis?
Speaker 1:and she goes this is so and so. And I go who are you with right? And she goes I'm the next door neighbor and you need to cease and desist. And we want to know what zoning laws you're going to change so that you can build the buildings on that property. And I go who have you been talking to, you know? I mean, I didn't know.
Speaker 2:She's been using Google AI for it.
Speaker 1:She was ordering my crew around and everything. And I said I have a surveyor on site right now. You should be able to see him. He's marking everything right now. And she just kind of kept yelling at me and and, uh, she said I want you to cease and desist and you need to provide us plans, and you need to provide me with, um, me and the other neighbors with this, a copy of the survey. And I go not going to do that. And I was really calm. I mean, I had my Jesus shirt on that day. It was like I can't.
Speaker 2:And if that would have happened as soon as she said well, I'm the neighbor, I'd have been like oh okay, click, like that would have ended the conversation for me.
Speaker 1:So I listened to her and finally, you know, and I kept saying, well, I'm not going to do that, yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to share that with you she used Google lawyer.
Speaker 1:So I end up going over to the property and I called her and I said hey, this is Jane. I just talked to you a few minutes ago. Could we talk? I'll meet you in the street. She wouldn't even let me on her property and she came out yelling and everything and I go who have you been talking to? That you think I'm going to put up, you know, eight complexes on this property or whatever.
Speaker 1:By the time I got done with her, she was apologizing and she was very, you know, happy that I was clearing the property, and or at least I think she was and I haven't heard from her since. But that was the only time and I was shocked. I mean, I was just shocked. I thought who are you and what?
Speaker 3:do you think?
Speaker 1:you're doing. Tell me what I can do with my property. Anyway, I want to go back to you, Dr Domain. Have you ever been approached or had a situation where you've had to deal with a Karen or a Kevin that you can think of?
Speaker 3:Well, most recently around the sale of the last property, but she didn't confront me like in person.
Speaker 1:That all took place through messages and stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh, keyboard warrior, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:It was pretty trivial and I didn't even want to waste my energy talking about her. But she just made accusations and without having a conversation with you, I think that's the hardest part. Yeah, these people don't have the backbone to want to talk to you about it, so they just rapid fire a bunch of insults, thinking that's going to resolve it, and all it did really just turn.
Speaker 1:You know, I just shut her off yeah and I probably pissed her off more have you ever had anybody either one of you had somebody come out and say you can't park there, or oh yeah, you know you can't do this, or whatever. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, with parking, with, especially with, um, of course, having children being in a lower tax bracket, with food stamps. I've had many, uh confrontations in the checkout line of the grocery store. Really Very much so.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yes, because people think that, um, there aren't processes in place about you know who qualifies, what I can do and things like that, and want to come up and say, well, that's an awful lot of hamburger you're buying on your food stamps, or why are you buying chips on food stamps? Or why are you buying this cereal on food stamps? It's like, mind your business.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because this is about to turn really ugly really quickly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know the use of the term Karen as a derogatory term.
Speaker 2:What's it date back to 2002?.
Speaker 1:You know I don't have that, Do you?
Speaker 2:have that date. I don't Dang, I'm guessing we should have looked that up.
Speaker 1:We should have.
Speaker 2:I didn't even look at that, somebody with a computer at the end of the table. Should have looked that up.
Speaker 1:But it has been widely criticized as a form of, you know, misogyny, as it unfairly targets women and really can sometimes discourage them from speaking out or expressing themselves. I don't really care that somebody expresses themselves, but you don't need to get in my face, you don't need to spit at me to do it. You know, while those terms might initially seem like they're humorous in a way, when you describe certain behaviors, their use has sparked some controversy due to the concerns about, you know, stereotyping and well, and I know, there for a while they were calling it a slur yeah calling yeah no, no, it was called a slur against people and I'm like do you know what the definition of that is like?
Speaker 2:do we need to break out a dictionary at this point? Because it's it's not. But okay, yeah, let's run with it.
Speaker 3:I think you have to have a term. I I mean it's just too long of a phrase to say just a really inconsiderate person you know, you gotta kind of shorten it up.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, there's a lot of other terms. There's um twat waffle um there's ass hat. Yeah, dick bag is a good one douche head.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's all kinds of douche canoe.
Speaker 2:That's my favorite, absolutely telling somebody that they look. They look like they eat a banana for the shape and not the taste. That's a good one. It's a little long but it's worth it, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Or telling people that you think they eat Snickers upside down because of the veins. There's a lot of things you can say to people that are not Karen. Or if you look at someone and say I would be mad every day if I looked like you as well, that kind of hits them, takes them a minute to process and by that time you're already gone okay, so we've talked about whether we've actually had any encounters with a Karen or a Kevin.
Speaker 1:Would you get involved with somebody who's kind of going off like let's say that you are in a McDonald's and I haven't been in McDonald's for years. I don't even know what they serve anymore, but yeah okay, mcdonald's, I'm there, let's say that you're at a mcdonald's, okay, and somebody is just going off on this server, and let's say that the server is really nice I mean it's they're trying to hold their own professionally and somebody starts showing food, adam starts cuss him. Oh, I'm stepping in.
Speaker 2:There is not a doubt what are you gonna do? What am I? I'm gonna match your energy. Oh, my goodness. Oh, it's gonna be royal rumble in there, but the thing is is I'm gonna take their focus off of that person who is literally struggling for their life behind the counter and I'm gonna put it on me, because it's not gonna be the first fight that I've had in McDonald's and it probably won't be the last but if I see somebody, throwing fries and stuff about, you know, at a counter person.
Speaker 2:If I've seen the whole thing and it is completely unjustified how they're acting, I'm going to turn their focus on me because I mean, like I said before, we, you go low, I go lower. I mean it's a rebel rouser. I'm not a rebel rouser, but I'm an asshole and if I can use it for good, I'm gonna put a cape on and do it, if I can use it for good instead of evil.
Speaker 1:That'll be an opportunity for me.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know I got to get the good ticks along, you know cancels out all the bad ones all the bad stuff that you've done, I'm gonna do this one nice thing for this person I know one thing that really does diffuse them is if you someone starts recording them. I know that is a big diffuser for people who get just completely over the top their own things screaming at people. You start recording them all of a sudden. Why are you recording me? Oh, oh, you calm down really quickly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah don't know that I would automatically get involved, but we talked about this a little bit before on thievery, you know, when we talked about if you saw somebody stealing something, would you get involved?
Speaker 2:And I tend to try to reason with people and trust me, folks, this was not my life a long time ago I've talked about this before my temper know, I went from zero to a thousand in 3.2 seconds, but I idle at 900 well, and you wonder why I go from zero to prison time in six seconds or less, like come on now. Look who raised me, look who was around, my role model but with that said, that's changed over many, many years and your bones are brittle now and my bones are brittle and.
Speaker 1:I really don't want to get hurt. Somebody hits me, I go ow.
Speaker 3:You know, in the past it'd be somebody hit me hard and I'd be going okay, mother, you know you're going down.
Speaker 1:If I did get involved. I usually try to reason with people. I usually don't try to yell anymore.
Speaker 2:And I said that too, you know, when we were talking about it before. Once people are up to that level where they are throwing things and trying to attack a teenager behind a counter over a hamburger.
Speaker 1:Even if it's not a teenager, right.
Speaker 2:I mean they're kind of past reasoning at that point and you really have to kind of snap them around and then maybe reason with them once you know you can get their attention. But my biggest thing is I've been in those positions. I've been in those situations as a worker and it gets very dangerous very quickly for that worker and so in order to pull that person back I mean there have been people shot over a burger king hamburger- oh yeah, like it's ridiculous, absolutely.
Speaker 1:And you know you have people who get that excited. You know, when they go into a fast food restaurant and they want to feed a family of five for $22.36. And they expect everything to be at the top level, You're in a five star restaurant.
Speaker 2:You might want to rethink when the workers are making how much it costs for one hamburger an hour like, come on now yeah, so anyway, that's really all I wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1:I there are times when I do defend, you know, I do defend the fact that you have a right to not accept poor customer service. You have a right not to accept some smart ass, you know, waiter or waitress. I think you also got the right to walk away.
Speaker 1:You do, but on the other hand, you know when I'm paying for that and I've had to pay for it. The fact is, is my money's good and I get it and I'm paying for your service? Yeah, and I've said this before, if I go to a restaurant, my service is more important than the quality of the food oh, absolutely and so you give me really crappy service and I'm paying a big price for that.
Speaker 2:Come on, I want you to be nice, but, like I said before, I mean there's steps to take that don't involve direct confrontation as well true, you know, be smart about it, because not everybody you meet is just packing fists and people need to remember that right, right.
Speaker 1:I agree with you and I don't know why everybody has to be so angry all the time. Anyway, it's like you know, it's a burger well, or it's an order of fries. It's a coke.
Speaker 2:It's you know, nobody in the world anymore. It doesn't even surprise me it's a bag of m&m's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just I'm.
Speaker 2:Nothing ever shocks me anymore, and that's pretty sad oh well, that makes me sad too, cry about it well that's all I had for today on karen and kevin's well, I think that that is all the karen absurdity that we have for today, but we do appreciate you joining us here at the rabbit hole studio. We do look forward to spending time with you each and every week. So listen, if you can like us, follow us, share us with your friends, share us with your enemies. Hey, even my ex is out there. Hey, guys that are still listening to me for some ungodly reason, and they think you're talking about them.
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Speaker 2:Okay, like they ever come into our conversations, I'm telling you you know, if you have hate mail, well you know where you can shove that, and it's definitely not at boomerangenexor at gmailcom. So until next week, I'm Bobbi Joy and I'm Jane Burt.
Speaker 1:And you're stuck with us. Peace out.
Speaker 2:Later.