A Boomer and GenXer Walk into a Bar
Wit and wisdom, some smart assery, and a Mother and Daughter questioning “Are we even related?”
A Boomer and GenXer Walk into a Bar
When Artists Cross the Line: A Mother-Daughter Debate on Separating Art from Artist S:1E:48
The moral boundaries we draw around music consumption reveal much about our values, and in this thought-provoking episode, we explore the complex question: Can we separate problematic artists from their art? Through passionate mother-daughter debate, we navigate the messy ethical territory of enjoying music made by people whose actions or beliefs we find objectionable.
We challenge the notion that misogyny and problematic content are unique to any single genre, finding troubling examples across rap, country, rock, and even religious music. The discussion takes surprising turns as we revisit songs from earlier decades that now reveal disturbing narratives about power, consent, and predatory behavior that went unquestioned at the time. This evolution in our understanding forces us to reckon with how cultural context shapes our perception of art.
What emerges is a nuanced exploration of personal ethics in the streaming age, where the connection between listening and supporting has become increasingly complex. What musical boundaries have you drawn for yourself, and what do they reveal about your values?
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Speaker 2:I haven't even done anything oh shit I just put the card in so okay, well, if he's your age, yeah, that's like if he was older I guess I could give him a little bit of a pass. But if you hug me and you make any kind of weird noise, that's the last time I'm hugging you well, like I said, he wanted more, he's my same age, like I said he wanted more.
Speaker 1:How old is he? He's my same age.
Speaker 2:Well, how do you know he wanted more? Was it just the hugs?
Speaker 1:Because he kept asking me out and I would say and I'm not going to use his name, but I would say you know, we're neighbors and we're just friends, and I really don't want to you friend-zoned him. I did, but he didn't really work that way, he's got nice property. He's obviously got money, so what was the?
Speaker 2:issue.
Speaker 1:He just wasn't for me Winking at you.
Speaker 2:What's the issue? He made two of the three criteria.
Speaker 3:I'm just a poor white child, he's not a bad.
Speaker 1:He's a hard worker. I will say that he worked for DOT, but he also ran. They call him Joe Dirt. Oh, don't record that.
Speaker 2:Oh, don't record that, Like she can't edit it.
Speaker 1:But anyway.
Speaker 3:Hey, we're live. This is our first live podcast. This is our first live.
Speaker 2:I'm live on TikTok right now, just so you know.
Speaker 1:You better stop it. You better stop it. Where's my stuff? Oh, for the love of god, for the love of god, how long are you welcome?
Speaker 2:oh, my goodness shut up, bobby.
Speaker 1:Welcome everyone. Shut up, bobby. Welcome everyone to today's show. Boomer and a Gen X are walking to a bar, coming to you from the rabbit hole studio, where you, as our listeners, will experience some wit and wisdom, some smartassery and a mother and a daughter questioning are we even related, especially today? My name is Jane Burt, my co-host is my daughter, bobby, and for the next few minutes we're probably gonna banter and argue, most likely because our topic is one that is very conflicting with the two of us, but I couldn't get her to shut up and one of us couldn't get our crap together.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness, how do? I open this. Where's my stuff that I use all the time?
Speaker 1:Get off my junk, please, please. So, bobby, how are you anyway?
Speaker 2:Oh you know, it's hot, corn sweats, 60 mile an hour wind, it's Iowa, it's great Triple digits, you know, but you know what the Iowa State Fair is going on in Iowa, one of the biggest, greatest state fairs.
Speaker 1:And before we get on to our topic, I disagree. I know you don't go though God.
Speaker 2:I hate it, I know, but you don't even go.
Speaker 1:So if you don't like big crowds, don't go.
Speaker 2:Don't.
Speaker 1:But here's the other thing Back in the day, the state fair and the county fairs were actually developed for farmers to come in and show their cattle, show their horses, show their sheep. That part's cool, it is cool. And to look at uh equipment, you know, tractors and all kinds of newest top of the line equipment exactly yeah exactly, you go to the iowa state fair now and, uh, you got a whole lot of eating going on well, because I like that part all there is.
Speaker 1:I like that there's there's some rides and and don't get me wrong there's some good shows and the iowa state fair. They always say, oh, the tickets are so much, what are they? 15 dollars or something I wouldn't know, but there's so many free shows, and that's what makes the ticket price go up is there are a lot of free shows and they have grandstand concerts and they bring in some good names.
Speaker 1:I mean Pitbull was here and you know they've had some really good acts here. So anyway, I do like the State Fair, I do not, and it is in.
Speaker 2:Iowa right now. Listen, I love the food, I love the actual like animal shows, things like that, but when it like the midway rides, I do not trust anything that comes out of a suitcase. Okay, you pull a ride out of a suitcase and chalk it with some, you know, two by fours and some cinder blocks and the guy who's supposed to be inspecting the erection of these is on his phone, not even looking as people are putting them at once.
Speaker 2:Yeah, his hair gone. You know it's fine, everything's fine, but it is I mean, I still go.
Speaker 1:We go a couple times a year and we walk around and we people watch because we love to do that. Um, I used to eat at the state fair. I don't think we ate anything at the state fair last year maybe we ate one thing, but a lot of people, that's all they go for scandalous.
Speaker 3:It was some weird recommend.
Speaker 1:It was something and I didn't like it.
Speaker 2:Oh man the turkey legs, the deep fried oreos. Corn dogs, the corn dogs, the homemade that fried ribs, the homemade root beer is got to be up at the top.
Speaker 3:I mean it's amazing.
Speaker 2:But yeah, even the food lately has been really declining because a lot of the old vendors have backed out yeah, they have.
Speaker 1:And the one that I used to go to. It was an italian sausage sandwich. Yeah, the guinea grinders, yeah, and she died and they closed down. They just said, no, we're not going to do it anymore. The whole family said no, not doing it anymore and travesty I don't even, I don't even buy anything out there anymore. But I will say this, you know, because iowa people are so um malnutrited and, um, you know, are so thin so thin that they run out of the scooter rentals at the courtesy desk at the fair every year by 9 am.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Do you have an illness or a condition, or are you just? I don't know tired and fat.
Speaker 2:I need to be able to carry my 10 turkey legs as I go, so I'm going to need a scooter.
Speaker 1:It's fun to kind of go and watch, but it does make you sad because we are a society of overweight people.
Speaker 3:That's not news. Did you hear that this year they're doing some kind of experimental part in the food area?
Speaker 1:Really yeah, are you just blowing smoke, is it a scale?
Speaker 3:It's just a big trough, oh, okay.
Speaker 2:I thought it was like a big trucker scale that you have to go across before you can go buy something.
Speaker 1:No, but they did used to have that guy in the midway. Who would guess? Your weight and they don't do that anymore.
Speaker 2:I don't know, people got a little sensitive and it's like oh, I guess they never guessed my age or weight correctly, so I always won and then they always have the guy who you throw the ball and dunk him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh my gosh, he was so mouthy that they won't let him come back now. They don't have that anymore. He was so funny what a bunch of snowflakes oh, just a bunch of cry baby, wah-wah, creepers, I don't know, I just.
Speaker 3:But anyway, that's not even our topic, any who's's, any who's.
Speaker 1:Today we are going to talk about music. Music and, yeah, is there a certain genre that you like the best, or do you like all music, or what do you think there?
Speaker 2:Bobby, the best. No, actually I literally my playlist goes from one end of the spectrum to the other and it goes all decades all to the other, and it goes all decades all. I mean. I listened to everything from, you know, the original Hank Williams and Patsy Cline to unsigned artists that I've heard on TikTok yeah, I do too, and I love some of the new songs that you get off a tip TikTok, oh yeah and a lot of artists.
Speaker 2:That's where they're beginning now, because they're coming up. You know as unsigned they record it. You know whether it's in their bedroom or even just on their phone doesn't it blow your mind how talented some of these people?
Speaker 1:oh man, it's crazy, not only their vocals, but their ability to play all these instruments, and I mean, I have a hard time playing a broom or a shovel well, that's obvious.
Speaker 2:But yeah, yeah, no, it is, and it's. It's great that they have that platform now, because, instead of going through what a lot of the artists have had to go through and that includes, um, you know, being oh, what's the word I'm looking for where you know they're abused, they're used, they're um demeaned and even, you know, sometimes assaulted. They have to pay a price. Yeah, they don't have to pay this price anymore.
Speaker 1:Right, and I think that's first of all. It's horrible. What you know, you think back of what? Like Justin Bieber, I truly believe that kid.
Speaker 2:That poor kid.
Speaker 1:I just feel sorry for him.
Speaker 2:And he's not the only one.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of them that went through this and it just it really does just kind of break your heart thinking about it. But you know, hopefully yeah, these folks don't have to go through that type of rigor and that you listen to.
Speaker 2:It might not be so much of a thing, but are you able to separate the artist from the art? Like you know, things like R Kelly, p Diddy, things like that. If you like their music and you find out that they have done something that these guys have done, are you able to continue to support their music or listen to their music while still hating the artist?
Speaker 1:Some of it I can. Really Some of it I can. Yeah Well, I mean I don't hate the artist, but first of all, I never listened to P Diddy.
Speaker 2:Well, I know that I was trying to bring up some scandals that are recent, but it's a good example, but I don't know of anybody that was in a real bad. Jerry Lee Lewis.
Speaker 1:Jerry Lee Lewis, yeah. I mean, you'll still listen to his music, even though you know now.
Speaker 2:Elvis Presley yes Pink.
Speaker 1:Pink, I will not listen to her anymore. What? No, I will not. Nope, she pissed me off.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 1:Pissed me off in the last election when she said if you voted republican, stop working for well, I'm listening now wait a minute I'm sure she's listening to my music and I thought well, fuck you, excuse me we're not editing that out we're not editing that out, you know I mean first of you know I mean. First of all, this is America. I don't care who you vote for. Vote for whomever you want to vote for.
Speaker 2:That's what it's all about right, but then again, this is America and she has the right to say that, and I have the right to listen to her music or not.
Speaker 1:I love Pink.
Speaker 2:I of pink. I don't anymore what they say politically. I don't give a crap what your political association is. Now, when it comes to sex trafficking, things like that, abuses like that, especially when it comes to minors, things like that, people who are underprivileged, I will never even look the way of one of your albums again.
Speaker 1:Really screw off, man yeah, I, you know, I guess again I never liked p diddy.
Speaker 2:I never liked p diddy, tupac and them, absolutely. He you know he was on that um. He was on trial for shooting the cops, yeah. Was on trial for murder, yeah man I still listen to him. I love those guys I don't.
Speaker 1:I mean, don't get me wrong I mean, when pink said that it just made me mad, it wasn't like oh, you know. To be honest, like I said, I don't care who you vote for. I really and truly don't. That's your right in America. Just let me vote for who I want to. But if you're going to tell me don't listen to your music anymore, okay, I'll oblige.
Speaker 3:What about the Cowards formerly known as the Dixie Chicks?
Speaker 1:Oh, the Chixie Dix. They're just the chicks. Now, they're just the Chicks. I like some of their music.
Speaker 2:I love their music. I am not a. Natalie.
Speaker 1:Baines fan, but I will tell you I like some Of their music she was a neighbor when I Lived in Texas oh yeah, she was your neighbor, she was kind of nasty.
Speaker 3:She was a mean girl.
Speaker 1:Well, now I've met One of mom's neighbor when I lived in texas. Oh yeah, she was your neighbor.
Speaker 2:She was kind of nasty. Yeah, she was a mean girl well, now I've met one of mom's um. I don't know if she still idolizes her, but I know that she did. At one time I actually met her face to face and she was the biggest bitch I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 1:Reba mcintyre, oh you know what's her heart? I used to really love her and then she got a tv show and I thought, stand down yeah, stay with your music.
Speaker 3:Well, when I worked out at the airport. She's doing really good commercials now, though.
Speaker 2:Now she's doing commercials, but when I worked out at the airport I met quite a few acts that would come in for the state fair yeah, yeah um, because I was actually. I would clean airplanes out there in the private sector, and so I met people like alan jack. That man is gold we should have protected him at all costs.
Speaker 1:I met him so.
Speaker 2:I dated that guy from Signature. Yeah, that's how I had my job, remember that's right yeah.
Speaker 1:And so I met Helen Hunt, I met ACDC.
Speaker 3:Yeah, acdc was out there. What song does Helen Hunt sing? She doesn't, she's an actress. I thought we were talking about music. What song does Helen Hunt sing? She doesn't, she's an actress. Oh, I thought we were talking about music. No, no, no, no, no, we're talking about famous people at this point.
Speaker 1:But no. Reba McEntire I really did like her music a lot. Now I guess I've just grown out of it and I really didn't like her TV shows at all.
Speaker 2:I thought stick to what you know have passion for of hers. But yeah, when I met her, I mean and I was just a kid, I was what like 12, 13 at the time working out there yeah, I mean yeah and alan jackson, and he just had a heart of gold man.
Speaker 1:I mean just a great guy, but yeah I mean tim mcgraw, I think, came to McGraw. Yeah, yeah, super nice.
Speaker 2:But it's like you know, it's the ability to differentiate, and there are just some things that I think are unforgivable. I don't care how good your music is, I don't care how popular you are, I don't care how good you look, if you commit some of these acts, then you're dead.
Speaker 1:To me, you commit some of these acts, then you're dead to me like I will never ever if I hear a song on the radio.
Speaker 2:I flip it if I see.
Speaker 1:You know things, I I cannot forgive some things yeah, there's some I do, but for the most part I really, you know, I do separate the songs and the artists from what they actually so can you separate the lyrics and the artist? Yeah, I think I have have you. Yeah, in a lot of cases.
Speaker 3:Some people can't. Yeah, some people get fired over it.
Speaker 2:Some people do, oh, absolutely.
Speaker 3:There was one executive that was singing along to one of those songs.
Speaker 1:Drop the N-word. Yeah, and he got fired and it's like what? Yeah?
Speaker 2:How does that I mean?
Speaker 1:I think that is crap.
Speaker 2:I think it's absolute crap. Because even when my kids were younger I would always say look, if it's in the song, if it's a cuss word, you're allowed to sing it. I'm sorry, if it's on the radio and it's a cuss word or whatever, and it's in the song, are you allowed to go around saying that cuss word? Absolutely not. But if you're singing it and it's in the song and it's justified but here's the other thing.
Speaker 1:Here's the other thing. Wasn't that song playing in the studio?
Speaker 3:he wasn't playing it he was, he was singing along to it, he was singing along to it being played in the studio.
Speaker 1:Right, if they were that worried about it. What are you doing playing that kind of music in the studio?
Speaker 2:he doesn't get a free pass oh, isn't that horse crap?
Speaker 1:I mean, it's just horse crap. So anyway, standard yeah yeah, so I think that's a good question. Can you separate yourself from what someone has done?
Speaker 2:you know yeah or said, or the lyrics that are in some of their songs. Um, because I know the big controversy when I was a young and budding teen I would say I was like 13, 14 years old Long time ago, snoop Doggy Dogg released an album called Doggy Style, and it was one of the most scandalous things that had happened to white folks since since slavery ended. I swear to God, these people were up in arms. Wait a minute. We were happy slavery ended.
Speaker 1:I swear to god, these people were up in arms. Wait a minute. We were happy, slavery ended.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, no, but I'm saying it's, it's the biggest scandal since that happened, because I remember all my friends were like, oh, my mom has banned that album, you know? Because the lyrics, because of how he talks things me. I'm bumping it in my room like I'm like I just walked down to the record store and bought room. Like I'm like I just walked down to the record store and bought one. Like I I don't know what you're talking about well, there is.
Speaker 1:uh, I will say there's a lot of music that I just flat out won't listen to, and it's because it's degrading. And so I like rap music. I like the beat. Bobby bobby just about choked on her chicken down there, or choked her chicken, I don't know. I do like some rap music because I like the beat. I think I'm still cool, you know, I like the beat. I like the beat, I like the beat Shush. But there is some music that I really just flat out won't listen to. If every other word is the F word if're talking about, you know their wap, um, I'm not interested in any of that. Uh, you know, dr domain is confused.
Speaker 1:We'll tell you later what that is um, and you know so, some of the dispute, of course, in rap music has to do with misogyny and, uh, just really kind of defined as the dislike of, or contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against, either a certain type of people or women, and primarily it's women, yeah, and the saddest part, I think, is you have women who are saying these things too, and I, I am a firm believer that you don't do that to other people, first of all, and you definitely don't do it woman to woman.
Speaker 2:You know, if you want to call somebody a name, go call them a name, but I don't really need it and well, and the irony of that is, you know, a lot of the rappers talk about how they were, excuse me, how they were raised by single mothers and then they come on these rap albums and talk about women that way, yeah, and it's kind of I get it, because a lot of it is necessity of industry. This is what's selling, this is what, um, the record label is looking for, type of thing, but a lot of it is their choice because, I mean, I turned you on to tom mcdonald quite a few, yeah, years ago. I like it and it's crazy that you like it. And eminem, yeah, I love eminem and they. Eminem was one of the most degrading human beings to women he was when he first came out and his daughter started getting older.
Speaker 2:You hated him. You hated me listening to him. You hated me showing your grandchildren him like we would you know, bump him in the car the whole time.
Speaker 1:But the older his daughter and the older his daughter got and the more respect he had for his daughter and he wanted respect for her.
Speaker 2:He doesn't respect his ex-wife and I completely understand but, um, yeah, I mean, it's a lot of it is. It's what's selling. It's what the industry is asking for. It's what is selling You're right, it's what's making money.
Speaker 1:And it all boils down to what the green is all about right Follow the money and you know some of the rap lyrics. So in videos and other elements of that kind of music I was going to say object to objectivity, no, no, okay, try it again.
Speaker 2:Objectification, there we go.
Speaker 1:Or exploitation.
Speaker 2:I'll say that I can say that Okay.
Speaker 1:I get a gold star today. Or victimization of women and, um, you know, like I said, I think the saddest part is when you hear women say it to women, you know.
Speaker 3:Or degrade other women you don't like a woman, Walk away.
Speaker 1:You know we've talked about that before, but it can manifest in a lot of different ways and you know, in a lot of the videos and I have seen plenty where it depicts women who are doing some pretty horrible things. You don't have to do that. I mean not on a video, right, but it is exactly what you said.
Speaker 2:Follow the so she just really aged herself because mtv has not music has not had music videos in probably like 25 years, whatever.
Speaker 1:What are the? What do you call them? Tiktoks?
Speaker 2:well, no, I mean, they're music videos they are, but I mean, you have to go search them out anymore to see them. Like, if somebody drops a music video, you've got to go on YouTube, you've got to go on Evo, things like that, in order to see them. Because back then we had VH1. We had MTV, we had CMT. All they did was show music videos, and now we don't have that anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it isn't just rap music, no.
Speaker 3:What about the actions? Not just their lyrics, but what?
Speaker 1:they do the actions I think are pretty disgusting.
Speaker 3:So you would stop listening to someone if they did something repulsive?
Speaker 1:If they were super repulsive, like let's see yeah, super repulsive. Put a cape on it. I'm going to test.
Speaker 2:Put a cape on it. It's super. Now Put a cap on that thing. Like what Sex pistols? I love the sex pistols.
Speaker 1:So you know, he broke a bottle open and cut his chest open with a broken beer bottle. That said I need a fix. In front of all these kids, in front of everybody in the audience. Is that something that I would really advocate? The answer is no.
Speaker 2:So you stopped listening to the sex pist, stop listening to ask mom about, um, the time I got grounded for, uh, the marilyn manson concert what did marilyn manson do? What didn't, what didn't he do, but what, what?
Speaker 3:okay, I want to hear that, but what about? Like this can be kind of controversial to our listeners because everyone's, everyone's getting into the aussie band bandwagon. I do like ozzy, I think he's.
Speaker 2:He was a great he thought it was a fake bat okay, we're not going down the bat road, go ahead.
Speaker 3:Dr domain so I that was one of the big regrets of my life's not going to that concert oh man, I wish I could have been there.
Speaker 2:so yeah, because he did that here in iowa. Yeah, it was in des moines actually Back in 82 when he did that and he got banned from Des Moines.
Speaker 3:So when he did that, did you stop listening to Ozzy? No, what about when he pissed on the Alamo? Did you stop listening to him then, Uh-uh, so it's not super offensive.
Speaker 2:Right, it's certain things. I mean. His lyrics weren't that offensive, I guess, towards women?
Speaker 3:I'm not talking about lyrics. I was talking about actions.
Speaker 1:No, I'm saying his actions were offensive, but they weren't offensive Like you know you're, you know, having sex acts with somebody on stage, or you're pretending like you're having sex acts or eating somebody, or I hate that, I just said that on the air, or cutting yourself open and bleeding into the crowd. Um, having references to kids, you know, uh, doing those types of acts, that that is a that's a done deal for me. Sorry, what?
Speaker 3:He's given me that.
Speaker 2:look, he's given me this. I'm just trying to understand the boundaries here. I don't know.
Speaker 1:My parameters are weird. I mean, I don't know the parameters.
Speaker 3:My boundaries are weird, I mean, I don't know. So self-mutilation is off limits. Not to me oh okay, we got our boundaries.
Speaker 1:That's why she's at that end of the Chewing the head off the basket.
Speaker 3:Pissing on the Alamo is okay. We can do all that right I didn't say.
Speaker 1:Does it mean that I approve of that? No, I didn't approve of that Did I think it was disgusting? Yeah, I thought it was disgusting, but you know you're asking me two different questions, so there, I understand, but I'm just trying to get to the limits.
Speaker 3:Where are the limits he's trying?
Speaker 2:to draw the line around in your fence.
Speaker 3:Bobby's boundary is much further down the field. My fence is like trying to herd kittens.
Speaker 2:It can't happen. Okay, so you have an issue with the lyrics that degrade to mean women, things like that.
Speaker 1:Even men. Now I mean, I really do Okay blah blah blah Anyways.
Speaker 2:What about the hit song that was about killing your husband and burying him with your friends?
Speaker 1:earl's gotta die, baby yeah, well, um wasn't it garth brooks, it had the one where uh the thunder rolls.
Speaker 2:No, the thunder rolls yeah, it was the extended version where she went into the bedroom, got the gun and then no there's another one where he takes a semi through the motel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that was all okay. But I mean, but I'm asking you, but I'm asking you is it is earl okay, is no?
Speaker 2:he's dead well, no, I know he's dead. I'm saying for you obviously he's dead you know the song very well because all I had to say was the parameters you knew.
Speaker 1:I knew exactly what you're talking about. Listen, I've said it before if a man ever beat me up, I'd kill him in their sleep.
Speaker 2:But you know where? Where's the line?
Speaker 1:I don't know my line is for entertainment purposes. Where's the line my?
Speaker 2:line looks like a thunderbolt, your fancy fence, and it sure as heck ain't holding no cattle, that's for sure so keep your cattle on your own side.
Speaker 1:I don't even know what that meant. Let's get back to the subject, because I wanted to say that it isn't just rap music or even rock and roll music that can be that disgusting. There's country music, like you just mentioned, that can be, you know, pretty out there or say some pretty disgusting things about either men or women. Also, I'll be honest with you. You know I'm a very spiritual person. I have a strong belief, belief. But there's some religious music out there that I think ain't happening first of all, they're preaching the wrong thing.
Speaker 1:And secondly, um, the way you're preaching it makes it seem like everything is still okay and it's not. Um, and so, yeah, I I have some disgust for some religious music or some gospel music.
Speaker 2:Some of it just rubs me the wrong way, because it seems like you have a very intimate relationship with the Holy Ghost.
Speaker 1:I do.
Speaker 2:I'm saying intimate in the wrong way. Okay, like the way the songs, some of the songs go. It's like are we really talking about uh?
Speaker 3:that doesn't like what I mean I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't even know some of the songs, but it's like where you know they'll be singing about like, oh, he comes at night and touches me deeply and I just and it's like they're talking about jesus and it's like please do not touch me deeply at night, jesus yeah, I, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1:I understand what you're saying you can, they could use a whole different so what about bands like kiss? What about them? Every song they had was about their penises. Yes, yeah, well, I mean basically I mean love gun.
Speaker 2:Love gun was a song about about.
Speaker 1:That's what gene simmons said. He said every song we wrote was about our penis yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:What about that? You know, was that cool for the kids? Yes, he did say that Come on now, give me one reference.
Speaker 3:Give me one reference to. She just did Love Gun. No, no, no, no, no, oh To penis in the song Beth.
Speaker 1:It isn't.
Speaker 3:Give me one oh you can't think of one. See, I don't know.
Speaker 1:She doesn't know the lyrics. No, I don't know the lyrics. He was talking.
Speaker 3:He was just making headlines with that. He was yeah, but Love.
Speaker 2:God was definitely about.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, Well, he made that comment and I thought I'd have to think about that, because I don't know the lyrics to all your songs so I don't really know whether that know.
Speaker 2:We can slip it in any way that we want to bazinga anyways, you can put lyrics however you want to and make them, make them sound completely innocent, when in reality you're talking about something else or you can make them sound something that really isn't dirty, or something that really isn't dirty, or something that isn't really, but then again it's your choice on what you listen to.
Speaker 2:It's what your choice on what, what you spend your money on. Well, back then, what you spent your money on. Now you just buy a streaming service. You can listen to whatever, but they get the likes, they get the shares, they get the views. So really it is your choice on on you listen to. But yeah, if these songs are continuing to top the charts, you know with WAP and things like that, there's a reason for it.
Speaker 3:There's a reason for it.
Speaker 2:It's not just money. I'm talking about the disconnect of people who do listen to it from you know, maybe they I'm not saying that they don't have morals or values, but I'm saying maybe they can disconnect from you know what they believe in their real life and just enjoy the song. You know, maybe they like to get you know a little crazy in their kitchen when they're doing their dishes at 2 am maybe type of thing, because I remember listening to a rap song and I was like dancing to it or whatever.
Speaker 1:And you came in and it was like, do you know what they're saying? And I go, no, I don't, I don't have a clue what they're saying. And then you start telling me and I I don't even remember what song it was it was like, oh my gosh, but I liked the music, right, right, I liked the, I liked the tune and that's what sells?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but according to Wikipedia, an analysis was done and they found that a substantial percentage of rap lyrics, like 37%, contained some form of misogyny, with variations depending on, you know, of misogyny with variations depending on, you know, the the subgenre, genre, subgenre, subgenre, uh, of the music, and so I can see that.
Speaker 2:You know, I can see that because rap um was actually built on men right built on the backs of men right because there wasn't a lot of women in rap um early on and some of the objections that they listed in this analysis indicated.
Speaker 1:You know, depicting women as sexual objects, um. Stereotyping, kind of reinforcing the negative or harmful stereotypes about women. Dehumanization, uh, reducing women to mere objects or possessions, which I hear a lot in rap music I hear it a lot in all music probably glorification of violence, which is seems to be growing, and then, um, yeah, I disagree.
Speaker 2:I disagree on that one. Really I do. I do because back in the late 80s, early 90s, the glorification of violence and rap music was, I would say, at the height because of what was going on in the different coasts, la and New York, and things like that. It was a lot worse back then when I was a teenager. It was a lot worse than it is now, lot worse than it is now. Some of the rap lyrics now they kind of like I'm like whoa, you know. But I go back and I of course I still listen to my oldies rap music and I'm like, wow, we were really messed up back then.
Speaker 1:I mean, some shit was going down I was listening to a really old song and I was telling dr domain about it the other day and I said do you remember this song? And he goes yeah. And I said have you ever really kind of listened to the lyrics to this? Wait, I want to know what song it was. I can't remember the name, but I'm going to kind of sing it for you.
Speaker 2:And it was like um okay it was uh turn down your music. Everybody turn the volume down, the volume down, okay turn this down, because I might sing.
Speaker 1:But he said uh, hey little little, something about hey little girl.
Speaker 2:That, right there, I'm a man in a big sedan.
Speaker 1:Won't you hop inside my car? I got music Candy. I'm a lovable man. I'll take you to the nearest star.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that is a pedophile trying to get a kid in a car.
Speaker 1:But we sang that and I don't even remember, was it a Jerry Lee Lewis song?
Speaker 2:No, it sounds like a Jerry Lee Lewis song.
Speaker 1:No, but there's another one by Rod Stewart.
Speaker 2:Oh, he always creeped me out, he always creeped me out.
Speaker 1:Did you look it up, dr Domain, what was the name of that song?
Speaker 3:Do you remember? No, I don't.
Speaker 2:But you know what song I'm talking about? Yeah, and there was a lot of them back then that were considered, you know, like rock and roll back then, because it wasn't as heavy as it is now.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And the lyrics were just like, or I got the hots for the teacher.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you, listen to it now and you're like, what the hell were these people on? Well, it was cocaine. First of all, everybody was on cocaine.
Speaker 3:But um, yeah, you just listen to the lyrics 14 hey, now, hey, that was like one of our very first arguments. We were um driving, we were in georgia and I was listening to a song and man, she got upset what do you remember?
Speaker 1:the song no, no, is that the one about?
Speaker 3:Was it WAPS?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:Stacey's mom has got a habit going on. Oh yeah, and I'm like I go.
Speaker 1:do you know what I mean? Seriously listen, she got all analytical and serious about a nice one Shut up.
Speaker 3:I just wanted to listen to this she was really just kind of harsh and mellow. I was just really trying to enjoy the song and of course he tries to justify why a?
Speaker 1:12 or 13 year old boy would have hives for Jesse's mom. Well, they're coming into their own, it's normal A little perverted creep that would be like her being in the car when, I
Speaker 2:start listening to Scotty Doesn't Know the song Scotty Doesn't Know she would lose her shit. I'm not even joking, like it would be probably would it probably you probably would yeah, and what's funny is that song was not actually a song. It was a song that was written only for a band to play in a movie and it. It became such a big hit that it figures yeah, yep but I've exposed you to a lot of good music.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, like what was the one about going down the river on a shithouse door. What is that?
Speaker 3:What was that? Oh, mojo Nixon, me and your mama and some other whore Floating down the river on a shithouse door.
Speaker 2:Oh, but rap is the problem. Rap is the problem. I didn't say.
Speaker 1:I said it's in all the music.
Speaker 3:But she sat and listened to it.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's got some of the most disgusting music of these hillbillies.
Speaker 2:I blew my balls to my butthole. Oh man, what was that? What was the name of that one band that had all messed up songs Like they were the most unhinged songs I've ever?
Speaker 1:heard in my life.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sure it's something that's on his playlist.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:It's got to be God. What was their name?
Speaker 1:What is it? What is it Dr Domain? It was like early 80s, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Maybe mid 80s? Oh, my God, I'm going to have to think about this and get back to you, because Was it Red Peters?
Speaker 3:No, the dog named.
Speaker 1:Staines? No, who's the one that's?
Speaker 2:with his wife, probably the whole town.
Speaker 1:No, I mean His last name starts with a P, I think Prine, prine. Yes, bobby, I know you've listened to that.
Speaker 3:I've listened to Primus.
Speaker 2:What are we talking?
Speaker 3:about yeah, john Prine, he's a legend.
Speaker 2:I've never heard that. I've listened to Primus. What are we talking about? Yeah, john Prine, he's a legend. I've never heard that, anyway back to the point.
Speaker 1:You know some of the music. That's clean music, he's more folky, is it that?
Speaker 3:Well which part is not clean?
Speaker 2:Riding down the river on a shithouse door. No, no, no.
Speaker 3:That's Mojo. That's Mojo Nixon. I'm talking about John Prine. He's a good singer. He is and it's just I don't know, he's got some funny stuff it is funny.
Speaker 1:It is, it is funny. So that's probably all I had for today. Bobby, did you have some more on any music that you?
Speaker 2:looked into? I don't. The only thing I can say is please don't support the people who sex traffic and pedophile um young women and men in the industry, because I don't care how good their music is, it's not worth it. It's not worth it so yeah, I do think that that is all the insanity and uh bitchery that mom has today about music that hurt my feeling.
Speaker 2:We appreciate you joining us here at the Rabbit Hole Studio. Be sure to follow us, like us and share us with your friends, your family, your exes, we don't care, just share us. We look forward to spending time with you each week and if you have any feedback for us, or if there's a topic that you would like us to cover or even touch on, hey, email us at boomerangenexter at gmailcom. If you have hate mail, well, mom's not going to read it anyway, so we don't care.
Speaker 3:So until next week, we'll make it into a rap song. There we go.
Speaker 2:We'll drop a diss track. There we go. So until next week, I'm Bobbi Joy and I'm Jane Bird, and you're stuck with us. Peace out Later.
Speaker 1:Where's my stuff? Oh for the love of God, boo Boo.
Speaker 2:Boo Boo. For the love of God, how long are you going to be away?
Speaker 1:Welcome. Oh my goodness, shut up, bobby. Welcome everyone to today's show. Boomer and a Gen X are walking to a bar, coming to you from the rabbit hole studio, where you, as our listeners, will experience some wit and wisdom, some smart assery and a mother and a daughter questioning are we even related, especially today? My name is Jane Burt, my co-host is my daughter, bobby, and for the next few minutes we're probably going to banter and argue, most likely Because our topic is one that is very conflicting with the two of us, but I couldn't get her to shut up and one of us couldn't get our crap together.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness how do I? Open this. Where's my stuff? Get off my all the time get off my junk, please, please.
Speaker 1:So um, bobby, how are you anyway?
Speaker 2:Oh, you know, it's hot, corn sweats, 60 mile an hour wind, it's Iowa, it's great, triple digits, you know.
Speaker 1:But you know what. The Iowa State Fair is going on in Iowa, one of the biggest, greatest state fairs. And before we get on to our topic, I disagree. I know you don't go though God.
Speaker 2:I hate it, I know, but you don't even go.
Speaker 1:So if you don't like big crowds, don't go.
Speaker 2:Don't.
Speaker 1:But here's the other thing Back in the day the state fair and the county fairs were actually developed for farmers to come in and show their cattle, show their horses, show their sheep. That part's cool, it is cool. And to look at uh, equipment, you know, tractors and all kinds of newest top of the line equipment exactly yeah exactly, you go to the iowa state fair now and, uh, you got a whole lot of eating going on well, because I like that part all there is I like that there's there's some rides and, don't get me wrong, there's some good shows and the Iowa State Fair.
Speaker 1:they always say, oh, the tickets are so much. What are they? $15 or?
Speaker 2:something I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1:But there's so many free shows, and that's what makes the ticket price go up is there are a lot of free shows and they have grandstand um concerts and they bring in some good names, I mean Pitbull was here and you know they've had, they've had some really good acts here. So anyway, I do like the state fair and uh, it is in Iowa right now.
Speaker 2:I love the food, I love the actual like animal shows, things like that, um. But when it like the midway rides, I do not trust anything that comes out of a suitcase. Okay, you pull, you pull a ride out of a suitcase and chalk it with some, you know, two by fours and some cinder blocks and the guy who's supposed to be inspecting the erection of these is on his phone.
Speaker 1:Not even looking as people are putting them up.
Speaker 2:Two cigarettes lit at once, half his hair gone. It's fine, everything's fine.
Speaker 1:I still go. We go a couple times a year and we walk around and we people watch because we love to do that. I used to eat at the State Fair. I don't think we ate anything at the State Fair last year Maybe we ate one thing, but a lot of of people that's all they go for scandalous.
Speaker 2:It was some weird recommend it was something and I didn't like it oh man the turkey legs, the deep fried oreos, corn dogs, the corn dogs, the homemade that fried ribs the homemade root beer is got to be up at the top.
Speaker 3:I mean it's, it's amazing.
Speaker 2:But yeah, even the food lately has been really declining because a lot of the old vendors have backed out yeah, they have.
Speaker 1:And the one that I used to go to. It was an italian sausage sandwich. Yeah, the guinea grinders, yeah, and she died and they closed down. They just said, no, we're not going to do it anymore. The whole family said no, not doing it anymore and travesty I don, so I don't even buy anything out there anymore.
Speaker 2:But I will say this, you know because Iowa people are so malnutritioned and, you know, are so thin, so thin that they run out of the scooter rentals at the courtesy desk at the fair every year by 9 am.
Speaker 1:Do you have an illness or a condition, or are you just?
Speaker 2:I don't know tired and fat, I need to be able to carry my 10 turkey legs as I go, so I'm gonna need a scooter it's fun to kind of go and watch it, but it does make you sad because we are a society of overweight people that's for sure.
Speaker 3:That's not news. Did you hear that this year they're doing some kind of experimental part in the food area?
Speaker 1:really, yeah, are you just blowing smoke, is it? Is it a scale?
Speaker 3:it's just a big.
Speaker 2:It's just a big trough oh, okay, I thought it was like a big trucker scale that you have to go across before you can go buy something.
Speaker 1:No, but they did used to have that guy in the midway who would guess your age or guess your age. And they don't do that anymore. I don't know, People got a little sensitive and it's like oh, I don't weigh that much.
Speaker 2:They never guessed my age or weight correctly, so I always won.
Speaker 1:And then they always have the guy who you throw the ball and dunk him. Yeah, oh my gosh, he was so mouthy that they won't let him come back now. They don't have that anymore. He was so funny what a bunch of snowflakes. Oh, just a bunch of crybaby wah-wah, creepers, I don't know, I just.
Speaker 3:But anyway, that's not even our topic. Any who's, any who's.
Speaker 1:Today we are going to talk about music, music and yeah, is there a certain genre that you like the best, or do you like all music?
Speaker 2:or what do you think there, bobby, best? No, actually I literally my playlist goes from one end of the spectrum to the other and it goes all decades, all I mean. I listened to everything from, you know, the original hank williams and patsy cline to unsigned artists that I've heard on TikTok.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do too, and I love some of the new songs that you get off of TikTok, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And a lot of artists. That's where they're beginning now, because they're coming up. You know as unsigned they record it. You know whether it's in their bedroom or even just on their phone.
Speaker 1:Doesn't it blow your mind how talented some of these people?
Speaker 2:are. Oh man, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:I mean not only their vocals, but their ability to play all these instruments. I mean, I have a hard time playing a broom or a shovel. Well, that's obvious.
Speaker 2:but yeah, yeah, no, it is. And it's great that they have that platform now, because, instead of going through what a lot of the artists have had to go through and that includes, um, you know, being, oh, what's the word I'm looking for where you know they're abused, they're used they're um demeaned and even you know, sometimes they have to pay a price. Yeah, yeah, they don't have to pay this price anymore right and I think that's uh.
Speaker 1:First of all, it's horrible. What you know, you think back of what? Like justin bieber, I truly believe that kid poor that poor kid I just feel sorry for him and he's not the only one. There's a lot of them that went through this and it just it really does just kind of break your heart thinking about it. But you know, hopefully yeah, these folks don't have to go through that type of rigor and that type of uh demeaning and debasing anymore.
Speaker 2:So when it comes to artists and do you? I know that the kind of music that you listen to, it might not be so much of a thing, but are you able to separate the artist from the art? Like you, you know things like R Kelly, p Diddy, things like that. If you like their music and you find out that they have done something that these guys have done, are you able to continue to support their music or listen to their music while still hating the artist? Some of it I can.
Speaker 1:Really Some of it I can, yeah, well, I mean I don't hate the artist, but first of can really some of it I can? Yeah, well, I mean I don't hate the artist, but first of all I never listened to p diddy well, I know that I was just. I was trying to like bring up, you know, some scandals that are recent, but it's a good example, but, um, I don't know of anybody that was in a real jerry lee lewis, jerry lee lewis yeah, I, yeah, I mean, you'll still listen to his music, even though you know now.
Speaker 2:Elvis Presley yes Pink.
Speaker 1:Pink, I will not listen to her anymore. What? No, I will not. Nope, she pissed me off.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 1:Pissed me off in the last election when she said if you voted Republican, stop working for, stop listening.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:Now wait a minute and stop working or stop listening. Now wait a minute she said stop listening to my music and I thought well, fuck you.
Speaker 2:Excuse me.
Speaker 3:We're not editing that out.
Speaker 1:I was a little late on that one A little late. We're not editing that out. I got to tell you, you know I mean, first of all, this is America. I don't care who you vote for. Vote for whomever you want to vote for?
Speaker 2:That's vote for. Vote for whomever you want to vote for. That's what it's all about. But then again, she, this is america, and she has the right to say and I have the right to listen to her music or not.
Speaker 1:I love pink I just I did too, but I know I do love pink.
Speaker 2:I don't anymore what they say politically. I don't give a crap what your political association is. Now when it comes to sex trafficking, things like that, abuses like that. Especially when it comes to min trafficking, things like that. Abuses like that, especially when it comes to minors, things like that, people who are, um, underprivileged I will never even look the way of one of your albums again.
Speaker 1:Really screw off, man yeah, I, you know, I guess again I never liked p diddy.
Speaker 2:I never liked p diddy, tupac and them, absolutely. He you know he was on that um. He was on trial for shooting the cops. Yeah, was on trial for murder. Yeah, man I still listen to him. I love those guys I don't.
Speaker 1:I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean, when pink said that it just made me mad, it wasn't like oh, you know, I, to be honest, like I said, I don't care who you vote for. I really and truly don't. That's your right in america. Just let me vote for who I want to, yeah. But if you're going to tell me don't care who you vote for, I really and truly don't, that's your right in America. Just let me vote for who I want to, yeah. But if you're going to tell me, don't listen to your music anymore, okay, I'll oblige.
Speaker 3:I mean, I still do. What about the cowards formerly known as the Dixie Chicks?
Speaker 1:Oh, the Chicksie Dicks. They're just the chicks now.
Speaker 2:The dicks.
Speaker 3:Now they're just the chicks um, I like some of their music I love.
Speaker 1:I am not a natalie manes fan, but I will tell you I like some of their music she was a neighbor when I lived in texas.
Speaker 2:Oh, she was kind of nasty yeah she was a mean girl well, now I've met one of mom's um. I don't know if she still idolizes her, but I know that she did. At one time I actually met her face to face and she was the biggest bitch I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 1:Reba mcintyre, oh you know what's her heart? I used to really love her and then she got a tv show and I thought, stand down yeah, stay with your music.
Speaker 3:Well, when I worked out at the airport, she's doing really good commercials.
Speaker 2:Now, though, now she's doing commercials, but when I worked at the airport I met quite a few acts that would come in for the state fair yeah, yeah um, because I was actually. I would clean airplanes out there in the private sector, and so I met people like alan jackson. That man is gold we should have protected him at all costs. I met him, so uh I dated that guy from Signature. Yeah, that's how I had my job, remember that's right.
Speaker 1:And so I met Helen Hunt, I met ACDC.
Speaker 3:Yeah, acdc was out there. What song does Helen Hunt sing? She doesn't, she's an actress.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no I'm just saying. But no.
Speaker 2:Reba McIntyre, I really did like her music a lot.
Speaker 1:Now I guess I've just grown out of it and I really didn't like her TV shows at all. I thought stick to what you know.
Speaker 2:I mean she's entertaining, but I've never there's a few songs that I really do, you know, have passion for of hers. But yeah, when I met her, I mean and I was just a kid, I was what like 12, 13 at the time, working out there- yeah, she was just real bossy to you, I mean nasty bossy. Yeah, and Alan Jackson, he just had a heart of gold man. I mean just a great guy. But yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:Tim McGraw, I think, came to the role.
Speaker 2:He's super nice, but it's like you know, it's the ability to differentiate, and there are just some things that I think are unforgivable. I don't care how good your music is, I don't care how popular you are, I don't care how good you look, if you commit some of these acts, then you're dead to me, like I will never. Ever. If I hear a song on the radio, I flip it.
Speaker 1:If I see you know things, I, I I cannot forgive some things. Yeah, there's some I do, but for the most part I really, you know, I do separate the songs and the artists from what they actually do so?
Speaker 2:can you separate the lyrics and the artist?
Speaker 1:uh, yeah, I think I have have you, yeah, in a lot of cases.
Speaker 3:Some people yeah, some people get fired over it.
Speaker 2:Some people do, oh, absolutely.
Speaker 3:There was one executive sing along to one of those songs and he got fired and it's like what yeah?
Speaker 2:How does that I mean?
Speaker 1:that, I think, that is, I think it's absolute crap.
Speaker 2:Because even when my kids were younger I would always say look, if it's in the song, if it's a cuss word, you're allowed to sing it. I'm sorry, if it's on the radio and it's a cuss word or whatever, and it's in the song, are you allowed to go around saying that cuss word? Absolutely not. But if you're singing it and it's in the song and it's justified but here's the other thing.
Speaker 1:Here's the other thing. Wasn't that song playing in the studio? He wasn't playing it. He was singing along to it he was singing along to it being played in the studio, right, if they were that worried about it. What are you doing playing that kind of music in the studio?
Speaker 2:He doesn't get a free pass.
Speaker 1:Oh, isn't that horse crap? I mean, it's just horse crap.
Speaker 2:So anyway.
Speaker 1:It's a good question. Can you separate yourself from what someone has done?
Speaker 2:you know yeah or said, or the lyrics that are in some of their songs, because I know the big controversy when I was a young and budding teen I would say I was like 13- 14 years old long time ago, snoop doggie dog released an album called doggie style, and it was one of the most scandalous things that had happened to white folks since since slavery ended. I swear to god, these people were up in arms, wait a minute.
Speaker 1:We were happy, slavery ended.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, no, but I'm saying it's, it's the biggest scandal since that happened, because I remember all my friends were like, oh, my mom has banned that album, you know? Because the lyrics, because of how he talks things me. I'm bumping it in my room like I'm, like I just walked down to the record store and bought one, like I, I don't know what you're talking about well, there is, uh, I will say there's a lot of music that I just flat out won't listen to, and it's because it's degrading.
Speaker 1:And so I like rap music. I like the beat. Bobby just about choked on her chicken down there or choked her chicken, I don't know. I do like some rap music because I like the beat. I think I'm still cool. You know, I like't know I do like some rap music because I like the beat. I think I'm still cool. You know, I like the beat. I like the beat. I like the beat Shush. But there is some music that I really just flat out won't listen to. If every other word is the F word, if they're talking about, you know, their WAP Glory B, I'm not interested in any of that, you know things. I'm not interested in any of that, you know things.
Speaker 2:Dr Domain is confused. We'll tell you later what that is.
Speaker 1:And you know. So some of the dispute, of course, in rap music has to do with misogyny and just really kind of defined as the dislike of or contempt for, ingrained prejudice against either a certain type of people or women, and primarily it's women. Yeah, and the saddest part, I think, is you have women who are saying these things too, and I I am a firm believer that you don't do that to other people first of all, and you definitely don't do it woman to woman.
Speaker 2:You know, if you want to call somebody a name, go call them a name, but I don't really need it, and well, and the irony of that is, you know, a lot of the rappers talk about how they were, excuse me, how they were raised by single mothers, and then they come on these rap albums and talk about women that way yeah and it's kind of I get it because a lot of it is necessity of industry.
Speaker 2:This is what's selling, this is what the record label is looking for, type of thing. But a lot of it is their choice because, I mean, I turned you on to Tom McDonald quite a few years ago. I like it and it's crazy that you like it, and Eminem yeah, I love Eminem, that you like it. And eminem yeah, I love eminem. And they eminem was one of the most degrading human beings to women.
Speaker 1:He was when he first came out and his daughter started getting older.
Speaker 2:You hated him. You hated me listening to him. You hated me showing your grandchildren him like we would you know, bump him in the car the whole time.
Speaker 1:But the older his daughter and the older his daughter got and the more respect he had for his daughter met and the older his daughter got and the more respect he had for his daughter and he wanted respect for her.
Speaker 2:He doesn't respect his ex wife and I completely understand but, um, yeah, I mean, it's a lot of it is. It's what's selling. It's what the industry is asking for. It's what is selling.
Speaker 1:You're right, it's what's making money and it all boils down to what the green is all about right.
Speaker 2:Follow the money.
Speaker 1:And you know some of the rap, lyrics and videos and other elements of that kind of music encourage or glorify or justify or legitimize. I was going to say objectivity.
Speaker 2:Objectivity no, no, okay, try it again. Objectification, objectification yes, there we go, or exploitation.
Speaker 1:I'll say that there we go. Or exploitation.
Speaker 3:I'll say that because I can say that word better.
Speaker 1:Yay for me I get a gold star today. Or victimization of women. You know, like I said, I think the saddest part is when you hear women say it to women, you know, or degrade other women.
Speaker 1:You don't like a woman, walk away. You know we've talked about that before, but it can manifest in a lot of different ways and you know, in a lot of the videos and I have seen plenty where it depicts women who are doing some pretty horrible things. Um, you don't have to do that. I mean not on a video, right, but it is exactly what you said.
Speaker 2:Follow the so she just really aged herself because mtv has not music has not had music videos in probably like 25 years, whatever.
Speaker 1:What are the? What do you call them? Tiktoks?
Speaker 2:well, no, I mean, they're music videos they are, but I mean, really you have to go search them out anymore to see them. Like, if somebody drops a music video you've got to go on youtube, you got to go on evo, things like that, in order to see them, because back then we had vh1, we had mtv we had cmt. Yeah, all they did was show music videos, and now we don't have that anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it isn't just rap music, no what about the actions?
Speaker 3:not just their lyrics, but what they?
Speaker 1:do the actions I think are pretty disgusting. What about?
Speaker 3:so you would stop listening to someone if they did something repulsive or if they were super repulsive, like uh, let's see yeah, super repulsive put a cape
Speaker 2:on it. It's super now put a cap on that thing. So like what? Yes, let me. I love the pistols so you know.
Speaker 1:He broke a bottle open and cut his his chest open with a broken beer bottle. That said I need a fix, in front of all these kids, in front of everybody in the audience. Is that something that I would really advocate?
Speaker 3:the answer is no so you stopped listening to the.
Speaker 2:I did stop listening to ask mom about, um, the time I got grounded for, uh, the marilyn manson concert. What?
Speaker 3:What did Marilyn Manson do?
Speaker 2:What didn't he do?
Speaker 3:Okay, I want to hear that. But what about? Like? This can be kind of controversial to our listeners because everyone's getting into the Ozzy bandwagon. I do like Ozzy. I think he was a great artist.
Speaker 2:He thought it was a fake bat.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're not going down the bat road. Go ahead, Dr.
Speaker 3:Domain. That was one of the big regrets of my life not going to that concert.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I wish I could have been there, because he did that here in Iowa. Yeah, it was in Des Moines actually Back in 82 when he did that and he got banned from Des Moines.
Speaker 3:So when he did that, did you stop listening to Ozzy?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:What about when he pissed on the Alamo? Stop listening to them. So they're super.
Speaker 2:Right, this is not super offensive. It's certain things I mean. His lyrics weren't that offensive, I guess, towards women.
Speaker 3:I'm not talking about lyrics, I was talking about actions. No, I'm saying His actions were offensive, but they weren't offensive.
Speaker 1:Like you know, you're having sex acts with somebody on stage or you're pretending like you're having sex acts or eating somebody, or I hate that. I just said that on the air.
Speaker 2:Cutting yourself open and bleeding into the crowd.
Speaker 1:Or having references to kids doing those types of acts. That is a done deal for me, sorry, what?
Speaker 3:He's given me that.
Speaker 2:look, he's given me the stink eye.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm just trying to understand the boundaries here. He's trying to understand.
Speaker 1:I don't know, my boundaries are weird. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3:So self-mutilation is off limits. Not to me.
Speaker 1:Okay, we got our boundaries Well that's why she's at that end of the Chewing the head off the basket pissing on the Alamo is okay, we can do all that. I didn't say it was okay.
Speaker 3:You asked me if I stopped. I just want to know what your limits are.
Speaker 1:Does it mean that I approve of that? No, I didn't approve of that Did I think it was disgusting? Yeah, I thought it was disgusting. But you know you're asking me two different questions, so there.
Speaker 3:I understand, but I'm just trying to get to the limits.
Speaker 2:Where I understand, but I'm just trying to get to the limits. Where are the limits? He's trying to draw the line around.
Speaker 3:Bobby's boundaries. Listen, my fence is like Trying to herd kittens.
Speaker 2:It can't happen. So you have an issue With the lyrics that degrade to mean women, things like that.
Speaker 1:Even men now. Anyways, what about that? Degrade to mean women things?
Speaker 2:like that, even men. Now, I mean, I really do now. Blah, blah, blah. Anyways, what about the hit song that was about killing your husband and burying him with your friends? Earl's got to die, baby.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:Garth.
Speaker 1:Brooks, that had the one where the Thunder Rolls. No, the Thunder Rolls.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was the extended version where she went into the bedroom, got the gun and then no there's another one where he takes a semi through the motel.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:That was all okay, but I'm asking you, is'm asking you is it is earl, okay is? No, he's dead well, no, I know he's dead. I'm saying for you obviously he's dead you know the song very well because all I had to say was the parameters I knew exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:Listen, I've said it before if a man ever beat me up, I'd kill him in their sleep.
Speaker 2:But you know where? Where's the line?
Speaker 1:I don't know my line is for entertainment purposes.
Speaker 2:Where's the line? My line looks like a thunderbolt. Your fence ain't fencing it, sure as heck ain't holding no cattle, that's for sure keep your cattle on your own side.
Speaker 1:I don't even know what that meant. Let's get back to the subject, because I wanted to say that it isn't just rap music or even rock and roll music that can be that disgusting. There's country music, like you just mentioned, that can be, you know, pretty out there or say some pretty disgusting things about either men or women. Also, I'll be honest with you. You know I'm a very spiritual person. I have a strong belief, but there's some religious music out there that I think ain't happening.
Speaker 2:First of all, they're preaching the wrong thing.
Speaker 1:And secondly, the way you're preaching it makes it seem like everything is still okay and it's not, um, and so, yeah, I I have some disgust for some religious music or some gospel music.
Speaker 2:Some of it just rubs me the wrong way because it seems like um you have a very intimate relationship with the holy ghost.
Speaker 1:I do uh, I'm saying intimate in the wrong way.
Speaker 2:okay, like the way the songs some of the intimate relationship with the Holy Ghost I do. I'm saying intimate in the wrong way. Okay, like the way the songs some of the songs go. It's like are we really talking about that?
Speaker 1:doesn't sound right.
Speaker 3:I mean, I don't know what you're referencing.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't even know some of the songs, but it's like where you know they'll be singing about, like oh, he comes at night and touches me deeply. And I just just and it's like they're talking about jesus and it's like, please do not touch me deeply at night, jesus yeah, I, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1:I understand what you're saying. What about you? Can, they could use a whole different so what about bands like? Kiss. What about them? Every song they had was about their penises.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, well, I mean basically, I mean love gun. Love Gun was a song about a penis.
Speaker 1:That's what Gene Simmons said. He said every song we wrote was about our penises.
Speaker 2:I mean like, what about that? You know, Was that cool for the kids? Yes, he did say that. Come on now.
Speaker 3:Give me one reference to she just did.
Speaker 2:Love.
Speaker 3:Gun no, no, no, no, no To Penis in the song Beth.
Speaker 1:It isn't.
Speaker 3:Give me one reference to.
Speaker 2:Penis.
Speaker 3:Beth, oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2:She doesn't know the lyrics.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know the lyrics.
Speaker 3:He was talking, he was just making headlines with that he was. But.
Speaker 1:Love.
Speaker 2:Gun was definitely about, about.
Speaker 1:Well, he made that comment and I thought I'd have to think about that, because I don't know the lyrics to all your songs. Yeah, I don't really know whether that's true or not.
Speaker 2:But I mean, you know, we can slip it in any way that we want to, bazinga. Anyways, you can put lyrics however you want to and make them, make them sound completely innocent, when in reality you're talking about something else or you can make them sound something that really isn't dirty or something that isn't really, but then again it's your choice on what you listen to.
Speaker 2:It's what your choice on what, what you spend your money on. Well, back then, what you spent your money on. Now you just buy a streaming service, you can listen to whatever, but they get the likes, they get the shares, they get the views. So really it is your choice on on what you listen to. But yeah, if these songs are continuing to top the charts, you know, with WAP and things like that, there there's a reason for it, there there's a reason for it. There's a reason for it. It's not just money. I'm talking about the disconnect of people who do listen to it from you know. Maybe, maybe they I'm not saying that they don't have morals or values, but I'm saying maybe they can disconnect from you know what they believe in their real life and just enjoy the song. You know, maybe they like to get, you know, a little crazy in their kitchen when they're doing their dishes at 2 am.
Speaker 1:Maybe Type of thing, because I remember listening to a rap song and I was like dancing to it or whatever. And you came in and it was like, do you know what they're saying? And I go, no, I don't have a clue what they're saying. And then you start telling me, and I don't even remember what song it was, and it was like, oh my gosh, but I liked the music, right, right, I liked the tune.
Speaker 1:And that's what sells yeah was done, and they found that a substantial percentage of rap lyrics, like 37 percent, contains some form of misogyny, with variations depending on, you know, the, the subgenre, genre, subgenre, subgenre, uh, of the music, and so I can see that, you know, I can see that. I can see that because rap was actually built on men. It was built reducing women to mere objects or possessions, which I hear a lot in rap music.
Speaker 2:I hear it a lot in all music.
Speaker 1:Probably Glorification of violence, which seems to be growing. And then I disagree.
Speaker 2:I disagree on that one. Really I do. I do Because back in the late 80s, early 90s, the glorification of violence in rap music was, I would say, at the height because of what was going on in the different coasts, la and New York, and things like that. It was a lot worse back then, when I was a teenager. It was a lot worse than it is now. Some of the rap lyrics now they kind of like I'm like whoa, you know. But I go back and I of course I still listen to my oldies rap music and I'm like wow, we were really messed up back then.
Speaker 1:I mean, some shit was going down I was listening to a really old song and I was telling Dr Domain about it the other day and I said do you remember this song? And he goes yeah. And I said have you ever really kind of listened to the lyrics to this?
Speaker 2:Wait, I want to know what song it was.
Speaker 1:I can't remember the name, but I'm going to kind of sing it for you. Okay, and it was like um it was uh turn down your music everybody Turn the volume down, turn the volume down. Okay, turn this down, because I sing. But he said uh, hey, little, something about hey little girl Um. I'm a man in a big sedan. Won't you hop inside my car? I got music candy. I'm a lovable man. I'll take you to the nearest, oh my.
Speaker 2:God, that is a pedophile trying to get a kid in a car.
Speaker 1:But we, we sang that and I don't even remember.
Speaker 2:Was it a Jerry Lee Lewis song? No, it sounds like a Jerry Lee Lewis song.
Speaker 1:No, but there's another one by Rod Stewart that he always creeped me out.
Speaker 2:He always creeped me out.
Speaker 1:Did you look it up, dr domain? What was the name of that song do?
Speaker 3:you remember? No, I don't, but you know what song. I know what song you're talking about. Yeah, when you put it that way, you kind of listen to it.
Speaker 2:It was like oh my gosh, hey, little girl, you know yeah, yeah, and there was a lot of them back then that were considered, you know, like rock and roll back then, because it wasn't as heavy as it is now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the lyrics were I got the hots for the teacher.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you, listen to it now and you're like what the hell were these people on? Well, it was cocaine, first of all. Everybody was on cocaine.
Speaker 1:But yeah, you just listen to the lyrics.
Speaker 2:They were on acid at 14. Hey now.
Speaker 3:Hey now, that was like one of our very first arguments. We were driving, we were driving, we were in Georgia and I was listening to a song and man, she got upset do you remember the song?
Speaker 1:no, is that the one about?
Speaker 3:was it WAPS? Stacy's mom has got it going on, oh yeah. I mean seriously, listen, she got all analytical and serious about it shut up she was really just harsh in my me.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to listen to this.
Speaker 3:She was really just kind of harsh and mellow. I was just really trying to enjoy the song and of course he tries to justify why a?
Speaker 1:12 or 13-year-old boy would have hives for Jesse's mom. Well, they're coming into their own. It's normal. Blah, blah, blah, you little perverted creep.
Speaker 2:That's like.
Speaker 3:That'd be like her I'll vote it two to one.
Speaker 2:That would be like her being in the car when I start listening to uh, scotty doesn't know the song, scotty doesn't know she would lose her shit. I'm not even joking, like it would be bad, probably would it probably you probably would yeah, and what's funny is that song was not actually a song. It was a song that was written only for a band to play in a movie. And it became such a big hit that it Figures yeah.
Speaker 3:Yep, but I've exposed you to a lot of good music.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, like what was the one about going down the river on a shithouse door. What is that?
Speaker 3:What was that? Oh, mojo Nixon, me and your mama and some other whore Floating down the river on a shithouse door.
Speaker 2:Oh, but rap is the problem. But rap is the problem. I didn't say.
Speaker 1:I said it's in all the music.
Speaker 3:But she sat and listened to it.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's got some of the most disgusting music of these hillbillies, I blew my balls to my butthole.
Speaker 2:Oh man, what was that? What was the name of that one band that had all messed up songs? Like they were the most unhinged songs I've ever heard in my life, oh, I'm sure it's something that's on his playlist. It is it's gotta be God. What was their name?
Speaker 1:What is it? What is it? Dr Domain it was like early 80s.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, I'm gonna have to think about this and get back to you because red peters, no, no, okay no, who's that other one that I, him and his dog named?
Speaker 1:stains no who's the one that's with his wife and they?
Speaker 2:say probably the whole town.
Speaker 1:No, I mean uh his last name starts with a p, I think Prine, prine. Yes, bobby, I know you've listened to that.
Speaker 2:I've listened to. Primus what are we talking about?
Speaker 1:John Prime he's a legend, anyway, back to the point you know some of the music that's clean music, he's more folky. Well, which?
Speaker 2:part is not clean riding down the river on the shithouse that's mojo.
Speaker 3:That's mojo, nixon. I'm talking about john prine.
Speaker 1:He's a good singer he is, and it's just I don't know, he's got some funny stuff it is funny, it is, it is funny, so, um, that's probably all I had for today. Bobby, did you have some more on any music that you um?
Speaker 2:looked into? Um, I don't. The only thing I can say is please don't support the people who sex traffic and pedophile um young women and men in the industry, because I don't care how good their music is, it's not worth it I agree, it's not worth it. So, yeah, I do think that that is all the insanity and bitchery that mom has today about music.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, that hurt my feeling.
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Speaker 1:We'll make it into a rap song there we go.
Speaker 2:We'll drop a diss track. There we go, so until next week. I'm Bobbi Joy and I'm Jane Bird, and you're stuck with us. Peace out Later.