A Boomer and GenXer Walk into a Bar
Wit and wisdom, some smart assery, and a Mother and Daughter questioning “Are we even related?”
A Boomer and GenXer Walk into a Bar
Friends Without Benefits - Can Men and Women be JUST Friends? S:1E:49
The age-old question confronted head-on: can men and women truly be "just friends"? Bobbi and her mother Jane dive deep into this controversial topic, sharing personal experiences that illuminate the complex dynamics of cross-gender friendships.
Bobbi reveals her close relationships with two male best friends, one she's known since age 13 and another for nine years, demonstrating that platonic male-female friendships can thrive with the right foundation. The mother-daughter duo explores the essential elements that make these relationships work: establishing clear boundaries, practicing brutal honesty, and maintaining unwavering trust.
The hosts tackle challenging questions: Can you maintain friendships with exes? How do you respect your friend's romantic partner? What happens when jealousy enters the equation? Through personal anecdotes and thoughtful analysis, they reveal that while these friendships require careful navigation, they can be among the most rewarding connections in our lives.
As season two approaches, we want to hear from you! Share your experiences with cross-gender friendships and send us your questions about any topic for an upcoming Q&A episode at boomerandgenexer@gmail.com.
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Welcome everyone to today's show. A boomer and a Gen Xer walk into a bar, coming to you from the rabbit hole studio, where you, as our listener, will go on a journey of wit and wisdom, some smart assery and a mother and daughter questioning. Are we even related? My name is Bobby joy and my co host is my mom, jane. For the next little while, hopefully, we're here to entertain you. Oh Lord, is it because I said you were Googling things? Yes, you hurt my feeling, oh rub it off.
Speaker 1:No, it's because of the last podcast and you just really kind of buried me in insults and it was kind of hurtful I'm still trying to think of the band name that I was talking about, but anyways, yeah, I was just my old brain, I was just kidding.
Speaker 2:It'd take more than that to hurt my feelings, and you'd have to find them first. I'm dead inside. That's all right. What's going on? What's going on so? Um, let's see here, hey I saw on your uh social networking, that you spent some time with your best friend I did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I spend about once a month. We we have a solid, uh, friend date is what I call it, that's cool.
Speaker 2:Now, a lot of people don't know this and um, it's kind of interesting because that's going to be our topic today is your best friend is a man, he is and is he married.
Speaker 1:He's not he's divorced, but he is in a long-term relationship.
Speaker 2:Okay, so our topic today has to do with males and females, and can they be friends? I don't know. Let's talk about it, shall we? A lot?
Speaker 1:of controversy to wade through A lot of controversy. To wade through A lot of controversy there.
Speaker 2:So I guess the very first simple question is do you believe that men and women can be just friends? Absolutely.
Speaker 1:What do you think Dr?
Speaker 2:Domain. I'm just going to ask you that, yeah, I think they can be friends, but I think that there's some boundaries that absolutely have to be established.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, that's with any friendship, regardless of sex. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, oh, regardless of sex.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it could be no regardless of the gender of the person. Yeah, no, I knew what you meant. You know what I meant. I knew what you meant.
Speaker 1:I was just repeating it.
Speaker 3:For goodness sake. You're fawning like it was something else.
Speaker 2:Calm down, Jiminy Christmas.
Speaker 3:I have boundaries too. I'm not going to share a sleeping bag with a dude or something like that.
Speaker 1:I share a sleeping bag with my best friend.
Speaker 3:There's limits.
Speaker 2:I've shared the sleeping bag. There's limits to friendship. When I've gone on a girl's trip, we've slept in the same bed.
Speaker 3:That's good.
Speaker 2:I mean whatever that's a sign we are are not gay. But thank you very much, I know, okay, so let's talk about that though. Bobby, yeah, um, because you're kind of a prime example where you do have a best friend.
Speaker 1:I have two best friends that are men, yeah one I've had since I was 13 years old, and one that I've had for just over nine years now, so I've been with him through quite a few relationships of both of ours. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:And so have there ever been any discussions about you know? Are we just going to remain friends? Are we going to take this any further? How do you feel? I mean, what do you guys discuss?
Speaker 1:So I'm just going to talk about my, my most current best friend, the one I've had for just over nine years. Um, because we do, we hang out, you know, once a month it's. We go out for dinner, we go out for drinks. We, you know, we dump on, dump trauma on each other all the time. Um, I don't think we ever actually had a conversation other than we were drinking one night and I looked at him and I said you're the worst gremlin I've ever seen in my life in a relationship, and I don't know how women date you so there was that.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, you know so you kind of said it straight, right, yeah, and he said the same thing he goes I don't understand how any man could be with you for more than a week, but we just laugh it off because you know he's my best friend, right? So it's. There are boundaries, there are limitations, there are, you know, specific things and there have been issues that have come up, mostly in his relationships and, um, yeah, we've had to address it a few times. He's addressed it without me even being involved.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Because there was one relationship we had been best friends for like five years at that point and he was dating a girl and she had made some offhand comment about me and how you know we go out for dinner and drinks once a month.
Speaker 1:We hang out. At that point point we were hanging out a lot and, um, he made it very clear to her that I was there before her and I'll be there after her, and if anything was going to happen, it would have happened already. We're not interested in each other that way, um, but we have been each other's support through good and bad, and he wasn't willing to get rid of that let me ask you this.
Speaker 2:You made the an initial comment that you know you had told him. I don't know how anybody could be with you and he said same. Thing to you? Yeah, would you have said that to a female best friend?
Speaker 1:absolutely okay you don't think that would have pissed her off and go be pissed off and then come back and we can have drinks. Because I mean, I'm the thing above everything else with someone who I consider a best friend and I have like maybe two or three of them is I'm going to be open and honest with you. If you come to me and say I don't know why this isn't working out, why this person's mad at me, I'm going to be be like, well, cause you were an asshole, yeah, and here's why you were yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to hide it.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to be like, oh you poor thing, that's not my job as your friend. My job is your friend is to call you out on your shit and say, hey, I still love you as my friend, but, yeah, you're an absolute gremlin.
Speaker 2:And gremlin, and I think that's the downfall of a lot of relationships, whether it's male to female, or male to male or male or female to female is they're not honest with each other, right?
Speaker 2:and I have to lose each other right and it's like what why are you lying, who you lying to and why yeah and like the whole thing is is that the kind of relationship you want to have, I mean? And so I have some friends who really are not honest with them, with their other friends, you know, and, um, they're probably not honest with me either as I say, those are probably the ones that talk about the other ones to other people and then to
Speaker 1:their face.
Speaker 2:They're like oh my god, you're so great yes, and I do have um some friends who have, you know, started to say something about one of my other friends and I'll go stop.
Speaker 1:Go tell it to them.
Speaker 2:Stop right there. I don't want to hear it because that's my friend too and I'm not engaging in that and I don't. I mean I've just flat out, will not. I, you know, if somebody said, oh, this person went on a trip and they did this, or whatever, but the second it starts with the insults or something is wrong with that person, go tell them.
Speaker 1:I don't want to hear it. I'm of the school where, with my friends, I'll talk crap to your face, but I will defend you behind your back, right, absolutely. And if there's something I got to say, I'm going to say it directly to you. You know, regardless of if I think it's going to hurt your feelings, because we've hurt each other's feelings plenty of times yeah, you know back and forth and it's like go cry about it, get over it and I'll meet you for dinner at six, right, like we're not playing this game. We're all adults and I think that that's a huge thing too is a lot of. A lot of the problems come with opposite sex friendships, when the lies start Because we lie about it. We lie about how close we are. We lie about if there has been anything that has happened. We lie about. You know what we've told them, what we haven't told them, who we hang around or if you suspect something could right between you right um, I think I yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2:That's a really, do you think?
Speaker 1:that an opposite sex friendship could happen with not necessarily people who have dated one another, but who have had sexual relations with one another. Do you think that that could be a healthy friendship that a future partner shouldn't worry about? Yes, okay, I have. I mean as long as there's no feelings like that right anymore.
Speaker 2:So my second ex-husband, uh, him and I were like oil and water right I'm like trying to go through my head which one he was, can we? Put a roster up on the screen please. Um, we, we did not get along at all and we, you know, we were married for a very, very short time period, and I don't even count that one anymore. I just say we had a bad. Oh, I know which one. It was okay and the thing is is I.
Speaker 2:You know we get along great now and I love him. He's a good friend.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, if I, if I needed to talk to somebody and I felt it wasn't dr domain, I would call him and talk to him, and you know we, uh, I mean I, I don't have any, so you would call and talk to him Now, would there ever be a point where you would call and talk to him and either you wouldn't tell Dr Domain that you talked to him or you wouldn't divulge what you guys talked about?
Speaker 2:No, no, okay.
Speaker 1:And there's a lot of people that do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they do.
Speaker 1:They say oh, we just talked about this and it's a complete lie on what you actually have talked about.
Speaker 2:No, I, uh, you know, I mean, in all fairness to our current relationship, Dr Domain and I, I, you know, I respect him a lot more than that and I respect our relationship. And in the right relationship. That's how it should be, and the other thing is is I value this relationship more than I've ever valued? You're not going to do anything to to send it off on the wrong way and if I felt that I shouldn't have been saying it, I would stop and I wouldn't say right you know, right or if he's gonna find out um let him find out right
Speaker 1:you know, I usually tell him everything I say anyway and, like I said you know, I think that's where a lot of the problems come in is we start to lie to our partner or we feel that we have to lie to our partner. Look, here's the thing If you cannot trust your partner, don't be with them. I don't care how much you love them, I don't care what they bring to the table. If there is that mistrust that you can't let them go to a bar with friends without worrying about a girl hitting on him and not knowing you know how he's gonna react or anything like that that's not the relationship for you, absolutely not.
Speaker 2:But it's the same way with uh, let's say that it's a female to female best friend situation you know I gotta worry about you sleeping with my man.
Speaker 1:You are not my friend. No, I wasn. I wasn't going to go down that avenue but thank you for sharing that. I mean you can leave your man in a room with me, it's fine, but you leave an open pack of M&Ms and it's gone.
Speaker 2:Sorry, all bets are off. No, what I was going to say is whoever you're in a relationship with can't be everything to you, right. There has to be other people that you can talk to that you can learn from you, don't? You don't live in a silo and so you have to learn from other people. You have to get other perspectives. You have to understand how they handled situations. Is that how you want to handle the situation?
Speaker 2:And so, primarily, that's why we have guy friends and that's why we have girlfriends friends and that's why we have girlfriends, right. So girlfriends will tell each other a ton of stuff. Most times, guys don't want to know what that was anyway, right, I mean, they're like go talk to your girlfriend, cause I really don't want you to talk to me about it, and so they're okay with that. But I feel that even if I go talk to my girlfriends and I feel that's in confidence, of course, with them would I be ashamed to come back and tell him that? I should never be ashamed to come back and tell him that Now I have no business talking to my girlfriends and saying he's a complete and utter ass.
Speaker 1:Unless you're going to come back and say it to him. Right, right. But why would you?
Speaker 2:ever go to another person and I'm just going to say this for everybody's sake why would you ever go to another person? Because I remember the guys used to sit around the table at work and say my wife is such a this morning and I can't stand the. You know it. That's a person that you picked above all else in this lifetime and you're talking to other people who truly are not even your friends, about that person and calling them names well, they're in that situation.
Speaker 1:It's kind of different because their opinion doesn't hold water and maybe they just need to blow off some steam. Maybe she was being a bitch this morning in front of the mirror and do it okay. Well, I get that. I get that. But a lot of people don't have the social circles that they need, the support that they need to be able to go to someone and say, hey, here was the situation this morning. What do you think about it? In confidence, you know, in trusting another person, a lot of times the only people that you see during the day are your workmates. You're not friends, you're co-workers. But you know, sometimes you gotta blow off some steam. Is it right? Absolutely not, but does it happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get what you're saying, but to me my partner is paramount right.
Speaker 1:My partner is paramount right and, but a lot of people aren't in that situation.
Speaker 2:You know, I mean I've talked about Dr Domain to you, right, but I've never said he's such a whatever, well, no, in anything that you've ever said to me, stud. Stud, he's such a stud, he's such a hot commodity.
Speaker 1:Well in anything that you've ever said to me. I know that you would go right back to him and say this is what I told Bob.
Speaker 2:I mean, in all fairness, and this is the absolute truth, anything I've ever said to either one of my daughters has been glorifying you, thank, you. Because you're such a wonderful guy.
Speaker 1:She didn't say if it was glorifying the good or the bad, so I would kind of simmer down on that.
Speaker 2:He is a wonderful man and I tell people that. But you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely, you know.
Speaker 2:I just think that's the person. You picked over all persons on this earth, and you're dogging them like that on a regular basis. Now, if you got mad at somebody, I get it.
Speaker 1:Find somebody else. If you're doing that on a regular basis, man cut and run. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:So I feel like men and women can be good friends and best friends. Here's one thing that I do kind of have a rule on is if my friend is married or in a relationship and let's say, I'm texting her husband.
Speaker 1:What wait, I'm sorry you're, her husband is so you're, oh, her husband is your friend, so okay, okay, here are friends with the male part.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, and he's married and has a wife yes, okay, maybe friends with there may not be yeah, it doesn't matter at that point if in fact I am corresponding with him about stuff and I don't even care what it is. I always ask for her number to text her also. Absolutely not I do absolutely not because I don't want her to think there's anything going on.
Speaker 1:No, no, like I'll go hang out with her, that's fine, like with my best friend. I always tell him I'm like, hey, you know if, if you're gonna bring your girl, let's all go out to dinner, type of thing, am I gonna be her best friend absolutely?
Speaker 2:no, I don't want to be her best friend. I'm just saying that in all due respect. I'm saying I'm not getting her number.
Speaker 1:I'm not calling her, I'm not telling her about what we're. That's his job. That's his job in his relationship to go to her and say this is what we talked about. But she wants to talk to me. She knows that I'm here.
Speaker 1:I don't text but when it comes but here's the thing when it comes to confidence with me and him if he tells me something in confidence and she comes up to me and says, listen, I want to know what he said, I'm going to look right at her and tell her you need to go talk to him because that is not my business. Yeah, that's not my circus and that is not my monkey maybe I should have put some parameters around that a little bit like.
Speaker 2:Let's say that as an example this is simple. But like if I am trying to get a partner in pickleball for a tournament and I'm corresponding with this guy and I really don't know his wife that well, I am going to and I have I've said listen, can I get her number two? Because I don't want, I just want.
Speaker 3:No that's too much work, and I do.
Speaker 2:I do. I just make sure that they know what we're saying. Absolutely not Now. I do have friends that are guys that I don't, you know. I mean, as a matter of fact, I don't even know if they're married.
Speaker 1:I usually don't know my best friend's girlfriend's names until they've stuck around a little bit.
Speaker 2:But Dr Domain will go oh, that's your friend from Pickleball or that's your friend from whatever. And I go, yeah, and he'll go. Well, where do they work? And I'll go. I don't know. Well, where do they live? I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, that's more of an acquaintance though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he always asks all kinds of questions and I'm like I hair yeah, that's more of an acquaintance, like I have acquaintances that I would. You know, we we're friendly and things like that and we we talk to each other, but I don't know shit about their lives I just think if there was another woman that was sending him, you know, text messages on a regular basis, yeah, I would think it was nice that she said hey, here's who I am well I mean, like look at my situation.
Speaker 1:Like, let's say, you have a guy friend. You've had a guy friend for, let's say, 10 years, okay, and all of a sudden a girl comes in and starts dating this guy let's say, for a year They've been dating for a year.
Speaker 1:Okay, no plans on getting married, anything like that, they're just dating. Would you really be okay Like knowing that you have that personal relationship, confidence with this person that you've had for 10 years, like you trust this person, you come to this person with your problems. Would you be okay with him just divulging everything to this person that you don't even know and him telling her all of your personal business and things like that, on the guise of you don't know if she's going to stick around? You don't know her intentions, you don't know things like that, because I sure as hell won't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you're looking at it from a best friend discussion or a really good best or good friend discussion. I guess I don't really have any super good friends. That are guys.
Speaker 1:I thought you were just going to say super good friends. I was going to be like well, I mean, we know that.
Speaker 2:I do. No I mean, we know that, but I don't have any that I would confide in about problems or issues or whatever. I just don't, I don't.
Speaker 1:I guess I've been single for so long that I just I do, because he comes to me with with very personal issues that he has to work out and he trusts my, for some reason reason. He trusts my opinion and my view on things and I do the same for him. I go to him if I'm in a situation or anything that I really need some help on, but I don't want. I want more of a neutral party than a family member would be yeah or a sibling would be type of thing you know, and you get that outside opinion now with me and him.
Speaker 1:He's used to me a lot because he says he'll come to me and he'll go I'm sorry, buddy, that I'm telling everybody this, but, um, he'll come to me and go. Well, she said this or she's acting like this. What does this mean? And I'm like well, why, why are you asking me? And he goes well, because because you have boobs. And I'm like well, why are you asking me? And he goes well, because you have boobs and I don't have any other friends that have boobs. And I'm like oh, oh, you want the girl side of it. And I'm like well, I can't tell you why, but I can tell you what the thought process is. And so we do use each other like that to kind of get the perspective of the opposite sex, and he'll be the first one to tell me a red flag, you don't need to be talking to that guy, and I'll go shut up and we go from there you know type of thing.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I mean, I I have to think, you know, think back before Dr Domain and I had plenty of guy friends, you know. But I'll be honest with you, I think most of them wanted to date me and I wasn't interested in them so I really didn't. I think that's what kind of stopped me from talking to them. Yeah, you know, really confiding in them yeah. And I'm not going to lie and say, oh well, Because I wanted it to be platonic and I think they didn't.
Speaker 1:And I'm not going to lie and say, oh well, I don't find my guy friends attractive. I think they are attractive, I really do, but when it comes to dating, absolutely not. I would never date them, sleep with them, anything like that, because there's boundaries.
Speaker 2:And, like I said, we both know that we're absolute feral gremlins when it comes to relationships and we would never work. Dr Domain, how do you feel about communications with the opposite sex? I mean, since you and I are in a relationship, I kind of share similar, like a similar position to you.
Speaker 3:Your method is can be inconvenient though, and I'm not saying that that's important, you know, and I'm, I'm putting more value and convenience than Are you talking about the group chats that we get? Yeah, the group chats. She's like, oh, oh, can you, can you talk to so-and-so about? And she's got someone doing a job at a party. Can you, can you tell them this? Can you tell them? I'm like, yeah, you can too. It's called group chat but I don't I'm the middle man half time.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I'm on a group chat and he'll go. Uh, you're on a group chat. They're reading everything you're saying. I'm 20 texts in and not even in the conversation and I'm like take my name off the group chat.
Speaker 3:No, it's similar.
Speaker 2:I think you can be friends and I think you've got a prime example of having some really good guy friends and I think you guys respect your boundaries now, and you've never crossed those. But I'm friends with people I was in relationships with. I'm friends with a couple of guys. I haven't been able to do that. Now do we go out to dinner together? The answer I mean, if we do, dr Domain is there.
Speaker 1:No, I still couldn't do that, because he knows them and it we do. Dr domain is there because I still couldn't do that, because he knows him and it's like, yeah, I've introduced him because there's some sort of communication yeah and um, so we've you know.
Speaker 2:But he knows that I have absolutely no well, he knows that you've said that. Yeah, absolutely and he trusts that, and that's a good thing, because I've demonstrated that right, right and but.
Speaker 1:There's that trust and I. There's no way I could be friends with my exes.
Speaker 2:There's no way you know we talked about this before, and you know, god love you.
Speaker 1:Your pickers broke too, and yours the only picker that's not broke is my nose picker I'm saying your butt picker. I'm a butt picker.
Speaker 2:Um, I think seriously, someday soon your person's going to come along.
Speaker 3:I think you just stay open.
Speaker 1:Put that juju on me. No, I don't want it. I don't want it.
Speaker 2:And I'm throwing it out there to everybody, uh, because I do want Bobby. You know, I'm happy, I was happy.
Speaker 1:I, I'm happy, I was happy I was, I was ecstatic being single before Dr Domain come on. You know, and I was thinking about this last night I was like you know, it's kind of lonely coming home after a 16 hour shift and going to bed and the only thing I got to hug are my clean clothes on the other side of the bed that I haven't folded yet. But then I'm like do I really want to put up with someone else's snoring with their dirty clothes laying around, with their hair everywhere, with their demands, with their no?
Speaker 2:yeah, no, I, I don't have the hair laying around because someone doesn't have any. But yeah, wow, I'm just, it's all give and take though you know yeah because before I met him I said I am happy in my singledom, I am very happy, I don't need somebody to tell me anything.
Speaker 1:I'm too busy.
Speaker 2:But can you guys hear that jingling?
Speaker 3:in the background. That's Santa coming.
Speaker 2:Santa's in town. I know him. We left the dog in accidentally and he's jingling around. Anyway, I just think that it's probably different for other people and I think you know what you have to understand is you really do need to set some boundaries you do need to respect those other people that are in their lives, and if it's a spouse, that spouse comes first, yeah, so well, yeah, they do, they do they do they do they.
Speaker 1:But I mean, you know, with my best friend he's honestly well. Both of them are honestly the two people in this world besides family, some family that I absolutely trust with not only my life, my children's lives, anything that I could ever need from them. I would 100% trust that they would be there, they would help. They would not go, you know, run in their mouths to anybody else about it. You know if it, if it was something that I, I came to them and said, god, I can't tell this to anybody else, please don't tell them.
Speaker 1:They're not going to tell anybody, like they will go to the grave with that secret yeah and so I think that in a friendship, in a relationship like that, especially a long-term one where you are close, I think that's a necessity. I think that you need to be able to trust that person, regardless if they are in a relationship that you can tell them something and they'll go to the grave with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they will not tell anybody about it. I don't think that's just a male female, I think that's any relationship. If somebody tells me, hey, don't say anything to anybody, you can be rest assured.
Speaker 1:First of all, that you forgot already when you were walking away.
Speaker 2:And secondly, I'm not saying anything and I've had people say, well, didn saying anything, and I've had people say, well, didn't you tell her? No, you told me not to say right, I'm not, that's not my story to tell.
Speaker 1:I'm the best at playing stupid. So somebody will be like, did you know about this? I'll be like, oh my god, this is the first I'm hearing about it. I heard it six months ago in detail that you don't even know. But I'm gonna play stupid because I promised that person that I would not divulge that information and, like I said, you know, yeah, it might happen in female relationships. I've had a couple of really good, close female friends. Never have I been able to have the trust, the respect or the honesty and opinion that I've had with my guy friends. I mean, they have been there for me at my absolute lowest and they were the ones that looked at me from a guy perspective and said you deserve better. Okay, like, I know you inside and out, I've known you for this long. I know your flaws, I know your secrets type of thing. You deserve better than this and you need to pick yourself up and understand that you deserve better. And it's different coming from a guy.
Speaker 1:It really is, and from you know another girl, oh, hyper up. You know woo woo, okay cool. But when it comes from a guy, but you know best friend, who I know is an asshole every day and he looks at me and says you deserve better.
Speaker 2:I'm going to believe that over anything. Yeah, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1:Well, I really am anxious to know what our viewers think, because it's a deal breaker in a lot of relationships.
Speaker 2:It is we are really curious about this. So if you are listening to this podcast, first of all, please share us with other people, everybody, everybody that you can think of, but we really are interested in what your thoughts are. As it relates to this, do you have best friends or really good friends that are the opposite sex? Have you ever considered them to be something more than just a friend?
Speaker 1:Are they?
Speaker 2:exes. Are they exes? Yeah, we'd really like to know so, but for today, I think that's probably all that we have on the relationship basis.
Speaker 1:Let me say this Maybe not. Our season two is going to start soon, because we are coming up on one year. What I would like to do for possibly our first show of season two or our last show of season one, is I want some questions from our listeners. Oh, that's a good idea. I want questions. I don't care if they're questions about us personally, about our lives, about topics that you know they just want a flat-out opinion on. I want questions.
Speaker 2:I can lie about anything yeah. I live in a mansion. Yeah yeah, but that's all we have today. And remember, we are not relationship experts, we are not legal experts.
Speaker 3:We are. I don't even have a relationship.
Speaker 2:And I see the chicken trying to walk out.
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